What if this happened to your child?

[capturedpilot]

The UK government are totally okay with female-genital-mutilation, though. They don't send in 'visitors' to ask 10-year old Muslim girls if they have had their clitorises sliced off.

“Hey, little girl, did you go on ‘holiday’; and come back butchered?” “By the way, does Daddy ‘thigh’ you?”

It’s the same logic as the silly searches of middle-aged white ladies at airports. Yes, of course they are the ones who are most likely to be packing bombs.

[ottkaji]

@capturedpilot Of course we take this seriously 7here on both the school and child protective service level. I realize most home school parents aren't like this but it's good to have a regulatory body in place just in case.

[capturedpilot]

@ottkaji Actually, the continuum UK government have directed all government agencies (including the UK police) to let Muslims get away with crimes against children. This is because the UK government (any party) are desperate for Muslim votes and terrified of Muslim riots.

So, yeah, it's serious; but not taken seriously.

[ottkaji]

@capturedpilot As I said I know this is not strictly a home schooling issue. I guess my hope is that the visits to home schooled children are to make sure that the parents aren't pedophiles or aren't molesting or raping their children. This may be a false hope as their the government and not CPS so it's hard to be sure what the intention is. I myself am not as familiar with what goes on in the UK as I am with the USA. I just don't like hearing about parents who beat or rape children.

[capturedpilot]

@ottkaji Totally quick! So getting right back to you.

I agree with you. However, the UK social services are targeting middle-class white parents; but they should be targeting Muslim parents. However, the UK government have ordered everyone in the universe to pretend that Muslims do no wrong.

You have the same problem in the US. You have Muslims, so you have Islamic child-abuse; otherwise known as 'cultural behavior.' The US government are giving Muslims a free ticket, though.

[ottkaji]

@capturedpilot Here in the USA we have a governing body called Child Protective Services meant to handle that type of "situation of shrieking need" and we don't let anyone abuse children weather it be Muslim Catholic Atheist or general scumbag.

[capturedpilot]

@ottkaji I hear that the Child Protective Services is corrupt and ineffectual. Sorry to sound like a bloody know-all. However, I do read a lot, as the saying goes.

Also, I know for a fact that Muslims in the USA get away with child abuse ('cultural behavior). Your government have ordered the police and the courts to go softly softly with Muslims

If America really wants to protect its children, it should execute all abusers of children. Simple. Non-liberal, though. And there's the rub.

[ottkaji]

@capturedpilot Sorry. I don't mean to keep responding right away. It just pops up in my E-Mail when someone posts and since it's a Saturday afternoon I was working on my computer anyway. Anyway I think Muslims should live by the same laws as everyone else in their respective country. US or UK. No softer or stricter. I also agree that government agency's can be ineffective and corrupt. That leaves you and me and anyone else reading this to keep watch in their own community. After 9-11 we learned.

[capturedpilot]

@ottkaji That's okay. I think it's impressive.

Yes, I agree with you re what should be; but what is really happening is another matter. You seem like a nice person, so I don't want to rain on your parade. However, 9-11 taught America, and the world, nothing. In fact, America has become more submissive to Islam since 9-11. Partly this is because, since 9-11, Saudi has spent billions of dollars on PR that pushes a false idea of the average Muslim, an idea that is pure fantasy.

[ottkaji]

@capturedpilot One phrase that came from 9-11 was "see something say something" and that's a good idea in this case. By the way it's almost 5:00 pm here on the Pacific side of Washington. If your in the UK it must be the middle of the night. I'll stop talking so you can go to bed.

[ottkaji]

Although most parents home school because of a concern for well being or faith there are quite a few that do so to keep other people from poking their nose into what those strange bruises are or why daddy touched her there. Keep in mind that the ones that complain the most about government intrusion are also the first to ask why nothing was done by the same government when a child is abused.

[capturedpilot]

@ottkaji Yes, but school teachers run away from dealing with all kinds of real parental-abuse or peer-bullying. They are too weak to tackle it. So they tackle easy targets instead: they will crucify a white kid who says something 'racist.' That's safe ground. Easy target. Meanwhile, they stay clear of peer-bullies and parental-abusers. Dangerous targets.

Some five-year-old kid says something silly. Hey, teacher, pounce on him and prove you are anti-racist. Maybe you will get promoted.

[ottkaji]

@capturedpilot I forgot this community was in the UK. I'm in the USA specifically near the Washington Idaho border so the error is mine. On the Idaho side there was a 4 year old girl who was abused so bad her feet were black, dead and had to be amputated. That pales in comparison to Joseph Duncans offense. Google his name if you really want to know how bad it was. In Washington a 3 year old died after being beaten forced to wear a shock collar and stand in a bathtub where she drowned.

[capturedpilot]

@ottkaji Please clarify. Are you saying these crimes are the products of home-schooling? They seem like the the kind of evil that happens on plant Earth as a norm; home-schooling, home-visiting or not.

The thing about social workers is that they do no good. They interfere where there is no need; and run away from any situation of shrieking need.

Personally, I would execute all abusers of children; but that's just my non-liberal opinion. Evil is always protected by Liberalism.

[osummuso]

The motives and reason for home schooling should always be questionable.

There's no doubt that anyone in support of christianorg.co etc would want any same sex couples adopting a child and homeschooling being investigated.

I'd say it was more important that christian zealots home schooling children, were more of a priority for investigation, in terms of indoctrination and abuse.

The motivation for home schooling is key here.

[snoberts]

I would be very dissatisfied with a government that took no interest in how home-schooled children are educated. As an ex-teacher in the country I often had to cope with children who had joined mainstream schools after years of sub-standard home-schooling. The children are the most important thing, not the parents beliefs.

[capturedpilot]

@snoberts A child is much safer at home. Have you actually been anywhere near a 'mainstream' state school recently? Do you have any idea of the physical and emotional dangers children risk, or of the low educational standards and low challenges that waste their time? Children from Eastern Europe currently have a higher standard of written English than do British children at state schools. Certainly, Eastern Euopean children can do Maths; most state-school British children are clueless.

[amsterdammed71]

Children, up to about 12, are too young to decide for themselves what is the best knowledge. Otherwise, any scientific theory can be challenged, looked up in the journals, disproved. But young people need to understand the basic principles which are beyond doubt, before they get onto discussions about controversies such as genetic drift, punctuated equilibrium and natural selection. They shouldn't be weighed down with controversies where there are none - muddles people's minds.

[kennydaluz]

No immediate harm, as long as they dont apply to Medical School. lol...

Would you want a witch doctor as your GP? Or a surgeon who uses bleeding as a cure for every ailment?

The real harm is the dumbing down of society. Think about it... If everyone followed religious teaching, we would still think the earth was flat, disease & infant mortality would be rife, as there would be no medicine or technology of any kind.

[kennydaluz]

in addition: Humanity is about to face its biggest problem. Global Warming. Only science can find the answers to save humanity from this very real threat.

If everyone believed in creationism, then every species on the planet (inc: Humanity) will be doomed to extinction in the very near future.

[rhyfelwrDuw]

If everyone believed in creation then everything would be doomed? What a really numpty statement to make! So what makes you reach that conclusion?

[amsterdammed71]

Yes it would be a total disaster, since Evolution is biology. Biology makes no sense without evolution. The principles that drive evolution, natural and cumulative selection, are used in technology, economics, agriculture, medicine, disease and pest control.... and it's fact.

There is no '2 sides of the story'. Anyway, if we learned about Creationism, what about the Cherokee, the Islamic, the Hindu, or the Nordic creation myths? What is so special about the Judaeo Christian myth?

[rhyfelwrDuw]

Natural Selection is actually something creationists would go along with! For example - did you do genetics in biology in school? Those wonderful genetics tables with the Rr letters - R = dominant gene r = recessive gene. Well, watch this space as I'm thinking of doing a short video explaining natural selection from a creationists point of view - this is really exciting stuff...

[amsterdammed71]

Well if you're going to portray creationism as a science, then start with evidence for your particular account 'creation', evidence for the creator, and what created that. No use saying, 'there's a gap in the record, therefore god did it'..

[rhyfelwrDuw]

I would like to know how an explosion created order - no explosion has EVER created order. Try throwing a grenade and see if it makes a complex cell! You can say things like well all the rocks were whizzing through space and suddenly joined together etc etc. When I see the world I see order - the way a human is created in the womb - wow amazing. The way a bee pollenates a flower to produce another plant. Amazing! I cannot believe it happened by chance!

[amsterdammed71]

....Ebola, cancer, river blindness, polio, TB - yes, all things bright, murderous and beautiful. Who made those?

[rhyfelwrDuw]

When a human builds something 'simple' (in comparison to cells etc) like a building it needs planning and design - a building doesn't suddenly appear out of the blue or because of an explosion. There has to be logic and reasoning involved so if something 'simple' like a building has to be designed - how could DNA, cell structures, plants, animals, stars planets etc happen by blind chance? Impossible! Can't happen!

[amsterdammed71]

A fallacious argument, because design is a uniquely human invention. DNA almost certainly didn't come out of nothing - most likely replaced more primitive (crystalline?) replicators. we can't be sure - but just because we cannot be sure, does not mean there has to be a designer. A designer would be even more complex and would require even more explaining , you just push the problem one stage further back and provide no answers whatsoever, by implying design.

[rhyfelwrDuw]

Regarding evilution and biology - what I would like to know is - where does the genetic information come from to generate new species? If we evolved from a single living organism in the beginning - where did all the additional info come from to make the thousands of different species of creatures! That's one heck of a lot of info to develop from one - yep that's just one living organism! Why don't we see frogs becoming princes? or whales becoming amphibians now?

[amsterdammed71]

'thousands' of different species? there have been billions, of which only about 99% of all the species that ever existed are extinct. Gradual mutatons, extensions of DNA strands, extra instructions to divide cells, generation after generation over millions of years, cumulate. any survival advantages are rewarded with higher probability of producing more offspring with similar mutations. there is no reason for whales to evolve into amphibians. why should they?

[rhyfelwrDuw]

Semantics - billions of different species then! But where do the extra instructions come from! Has there ever been examples of extra instruction when dividing cells? Mutations tend to be a loss of info not a gain!

[amsterdammed71]

I've just explained this. there are only 64 DNA combinations in all life, made out of C-A-G-T combinations, all with the same information. The informaiton to build what cells, how many, when to start and stop, all come from combinaitons of those 'letters'. A mutation to repeat a whole string of letters (growth of the body, a body part) is one example. cf richard dawkins, selfish gene.

Fact: amoeba's genome is more complex than man's. Most DNA is junk. Some intelligent designer!!!

[kennydaluz]

rhyfelwrDuw: you really do not have a clue about the evolutionary process, do you. Your ignorance shines with every comment you make.

amsterdammed71... do not waste any more time debating with her, you will end up going round in circles. it would be easier to teach string threory to a 5 year old.

[rhyfelwrDuw]

I actually CANNOT get my head around it - it's a ludicrous THEORY! Anyhow this video isn't about evilution/creation anyhow so maybe it would be wise to stick to the topic video...

[kennydaluz]

Well the topic of the video is about teaching standards. and if you are not equipped to teach children the premise of evolutionary theory, then you are doing them a dis-service.

Teaching the creationists POV would akin to teaching alchemy instead of chemistry.

[rhyfelwrDuw]

I didn't think you wanted to reply to me anymore - or do you like spinning around in circles? ;)

I don't see how ANYONE who doesn't know me or what I teach my children can actually comment on the standard of education I give to my children and there's more to education than science! My lads would have a VERY unbalanced curriculum if all I taught them was science!

I have had an Education Advisor visit and she said the work I was doing with my son was exemplary!

[capturedpilot]

@kennydaluz The teaching standards of state schools in the UK is very low, especially regarding English and Maths. For example, children taught in the Caribbean have a higher standard of written English than white or black working-class children taught in UK state-schools.

Also, would you apply your logic to the teaching of the religious fantasy that goes on in mosques? I doubt it. A bit too dangerous, huh? Easier to attack the white middle-class. They won't kill you, if you 'offend' them.

[kennydaluz]

@capturedpilot Ok, so there's room for improvement in teaching standards in the uk, the answer is more funding for state schools. Not home schooling, where there are little or no regulations.

Yes the same goes for islamic teaching... or any religious school, they all should teach the same subjects & to the same standard as state schools... Even better, get rid of religious schools altogether, so that children are allowed to mix.

[capturedpilot]

@kennydaluz Actually it's not a matter of funding; it's a matter of the currently fashionable educational-philosopy; which is masochistic, white-hating insanity. State schools devalue Western culture and therefore, automatically, undermine academic standards. This does not help multiculturalism; it just helps turn it into the monster that we fear to criticise (except on YouTube).

Re Islam, would you say 'No Islamic schools, no mosque schooling,' publically (outside of YouTube)? I dare you.

[rhyfelwrDuw]

Got better things to be concerned about anyway than a ridiculous argument - there's more to life than wondering how life began - like thinking about and acting upon poverty or modern day slavery etc.

[amsterdammed71]

Well one interesting idea is for the Vatican and most churches to give all their riches away. We'd solve world poverty before you can say 'Sermon on the Mount'. ;-)

[rhyfelwrDuw]

As I'm not Catholic I'd go with that ;) I know what you mean though! :)

[kennydaluz]

Same goes for the C of E, they're not hard up for a bob or two.

[amsterdammed71]

Actually - I hear the C of E is in a huge mess, after losing millions on the New York property markets.

[kennydaluz]

I'm sure this is true to a point, but I bet they still generate a healthy income from their ever faithful flock.

And what about the billions the ever growing evangelical movement, scientology and mormons have, they have enough to lobby government policy. now that is scary!

[amsterdammed71]

the catholics and the mormons are a much bigger problem in that respect, I'm pretty sure - funding really humanitarian projects such as stopping gay people having theior relationships recognised in california. (and how many hospitals in africa could that have bought i ask...)

[kennydaluz]

You obviously did not read the rest of my comments!

Typical creationist tactic... pick a sentence and call it a numpty statement.

why don't you respond my other points with a bit more thought and using reasoning to make your case?

[amsterdammed71]

....standards have really dropped since we stopped witch burning.

[kennydaluz]

lol... It would still be happening if it wasn't for those brave enough to think critically.

[rhyfelwrDuw]

Why does everyone assume religious people say the earth is flat - in Scripture it says - God sits on the CIRCLE of the earth - a circle isn't flat...

[amsterdammed71]

I have no idea why that happened Leonor. Perhaps you weren't listening properly in class, you had a terrible science teacher, you were bored by science... many reasons.

Science is a method of finding out what we know, based on evidence and reason. Science works: aeroplanes and spaceships fly; magic carpets don't. Children should be taught the best available knowledge. e.g. Evolution. Science is rock solid. Children's minds are indeed fragile. they need protection from nonsense and unreason.

[nurikosguardian]

Well, like what the child will be asked, it's not alluded to in the video. Also, the video misses out the part where the inspector talks to the parents, which is what the government is proposing. I have nothing against homeschooling. It does work.

But it HAS to be regulated, many have abused the homeschooling scheme in varies different ways. The only reason parents would object to an inspector is if their incorrectly teaching their child and don't want people knowing.

[rhyfelwrDuw]

The one thing I object to is the proposal that someone strange can come into your house and quiz your children without you being there - for crying out loud, we're not in the [former] Soviet Union or Nazi Germany! Social Workers can twist things to suit their own ends! e.g a Social Worker could ask a child - have your parents stopped smacking you, the kid could say yes which implies they have been smacked in the past, whether they have or not.

[rhyfelwrDuw]

I have no objection to an Ed Advisor/EWO coming around to see what goes on - I have nothing to hide! I do object to my children being quizzed as if the person coming into my house works for the KGB or gestapo! It's MY house which is private unless I say otherwise! Well if my kids have to be interrogated alone, they're having the whole interrogation recorded onto my dictaphone...

[nurikosguardian]

An Ed Advisory is pretty much what the government is proposing, and they'd probably allow you to record the conversation since they are in your home.

Plus they'd have to tell you what they discussed with the child and as i mentioned, would be talking to you also.

This is nothing like a KGB or Gestapo, while the Ad may try to appeal to a parent's emotions, it doesn't address what government is ACTUALLY proposing.

[amsterdammed71]

Because evolution = biology, and also because creationism is not true. You're stutifying your children's minds this way, and denying them any career in Science..

I assure you, the Chinese and Indians, who are powering away in science and technology, are not teching their children creationist nonsense.

[rhyfelwrDuw]

Evidence for creation not being true...?

[amsterdammed71]

What evidence for 'creation'? Come on, be the first person, ever, to present it.

Your problem is to explain how the universe came into existence as it is from nothing, but to explain what caused it, what or who designed the creator, ad infinitum.

Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence. Over to you, come on, bowl us over....

[SpamSpu]

by sending them to school and giving them an education

[Metrium91]

Children do not belong to the state? True. They don't belong to their parents either. They belong to themselves.

[rhyfelwrDuw]

Parents should be there to lead and guide them - you cannot let a child make their own judgements for certain things when they haven't had life experience! Any parent who doesn't want to guide their children has resigned their responsibilities as parents!

[OrganisedPauper]

I already have a home educated child who is now an adult and in the 'real world' They're at University after having worked for a time in the 'real world as a carer of adults with profound disabilities. They have a part time job to support themselves at Uni and have a large number of friends. There are far too many myths about home education being bandied about.

[OrganisedPauper]

It's a myth that the majority of UK families who home educate are religious extremists. Home ed is a global movement cutting across race, religion & class. Home educators are a very diverse group of people. The largest number of home educators in the UK are Atheists and Agnostics. You will find all the major world religions covered and some minor ones too. Also do not assume that a family that does have a faith are home educating for religious reasons. It's often not the case.

[rhyfelwrDuw]

Well said! Home educators ARE a diverse group of people from different backgrounds!

[xHaniffax]

Everyone wants to protect their kids but by not letting them experience life will do them more harm than good

[rhyfelwrDuw]

So what would you say life experiences are? Are life experiences going to school for just 13-15 years of your life? There's more to life than school!

[xHaniffax]

Whether you like it or not, children need a substantial education to survive in THE REAL WORLD. The education system in this country isn't great but it's good. The g'mnt is trying to ensure everyone has a decent education and preventing your child from going to school and mixing with other children and experiencing a work/play environment, you are denying them valuable lifeskills that will benefit them in the future.

[rhyfelwrDuw]

So where in the REAL WORLD are people put in their peer groups! You don't go for a job and then they say - Oh btw you'll be in that office with all the 18 year olds... Get real! Do you know any homeschooled children?

[rhyfelwrDuw]

So you think home educators cannot give their children a substantial education? My lads learn Maths, Eng grammar, literature and etymology (that's the root of language), sciences, history, geography, music, health, nutrition science, they have learned Latin and a bit of Spanish in the past, General Business, computing. I don't want my children mixing with kids who swear, smoke, beat others up, get preggas at 12 - it's not a good environment to rear children in!

[rhyfelwrDuw]

Teachers are in loco parentis and I don't want my children brought up/taught by any tom dick or sally - my husband and I take our parental responsibilities seriously! I want to know that my lads are safe and secure, not being bullied or harrassed and developing stinking attitudes towards their parents and authority figures! Respect is lacking in schools and that flows out into society! No thanks! My lads are at home to learn many subjects and learn to combat life in THE REAL WORLD!

[boogaloo80]

The indoctrination of children in the state school system is not enough for the powers that be. They need complete control of the young generation's mind, and a home-schooled child capable of critical thinking is deemed a threat. This is part of the broader globalist agenda. Research the new world order.

[SpamSpu]

A child has a right to an education. The government are making sure that children get properly educated. The child cant do anything about whether the parents choose to home school at such an early age so its fair that the government know that kids are being properly equipped for their future.

[rhyfelwrDuw]

Research has shown that thousands of children are leaving a state system of education unable to read or write - I don't want that for my children thanks! My eldest could read at the age of 3 years...

[rhyfelwrDuw]

Many children drop out of school because they have been failed by the system! If we hadn't withdrawn our youngest at the tender age of 4 years old he would have had a bad time in school. As an autistic child he struggled and the school labelled him as a trouble maker AT 4 YRS OF AGE just because he couldn't concentrate - he spent most days in the head's office. That's not education. He became a victim of bullying from the staff! At 4 he jumped in a puddle & was sent to the head's office!

[rhyfelwrDuw]

So my child had a right to an education and I used my right to withdraw him, give him a secure environment where he wouldn't be labeled and victimised and where he could lean at his own pace - not at the speed the g'vernment say he should learn. Children learn and develop at different speeds and the work should be determined on ability not age! Unfortunately schools are like sausage factories churning out clones. If your face doesn't fit then school can be traumatic for a child! Home is safe!

[rhyfelwrDuw]

Meant LEARN at his own pace!

[SpamSpu]

Yet he will then have a huge jump into full time work or college/university where he will feel alienated and will have a harder time adapting to the environment. I have just started college and its very hard just getting used to meeting all these new people and being in a huge building so imagine if they haven't been prepared by school

[rhyfelwrDuw]

Look Spam you can feel isolated in an assembly of 500 school kids! The majority of home schooled children are far more articulate and sociable than their school educated counterparts, because they learn to mix outside of their peer group - they can relate to people of all ages! I went to university in 1994 and felt isolated in a lecture theatre of of a few hundred students! My son is going to college a morning a week and he's doing very well!

[csm1701]

How would you feel if children were being taught that the earth was 6000 years old and that anyone non-Christian, non-hetero and non-white was to be avoided?

The Christian Institute: the BNP at prayer.

[rhyfelwrDuw]

Quotes by famous people regarding education:

The only time my education was interrupted was when I was in school - George Bernard Shaw

Never let your schooling interfere with your education.- Mark Twain

In the first place God made idiots. This was for practice. Then he made school boards. - Mark Twain

[rhyfelwrDuw]

Some famous homeschooled people: Mark Twain

George Bernard Shaw, Irving Berlin, Charles Dickens, C.S. Lewis, Agatha Christie, Florence Nightingale, Booker T Washington, Thomas Edison, Michael Faraday, Benjamin Franklin, Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, Beatrix Potter, Laura Ingalls Wilder, Yehudi Menuhin, Claude Monet, Blaise Pascal, Pierre Curie, Orville & Wilbur Wright etc etc so the list goes on...

[SpamSpu]

and some famous people who weren't home schooled: everyone not listed in rhyfelwrDuw's list.

[rhyfelwrDuw]

There's a lot more people I could have listed but space wouldn't allow...

[rhyfelwrDuw]

My husband is a college lecturer and has to teach key skills maths to kids with GCSE C or above and most cannot handle simple fractions. He gave our son a past paper a few weeks back without warning so he didn't revise - he got 32/32 - his highest state schooled student got 14/32 - that's not even 50%! Our son got 100% - and you think homeschooling is bad - think again folks! Some of the greatest people were homeschooled!

[nurikosguardian]

I'd support the government if they said they wanted to keep an eye on a home-schooled child's education.

Schools get countless inspectors making sure children are being taught properly. If you choose to home-school your child, i don't see why the same measures should be put in place.

Nice ad though, making an emotional appeal using kids, omitting vital information from the ad and making it seem like the "man from the government" is some sort of bad person.

[mariahmadrileno]

Of course the government should monitor home schooling, just as they do with those who don't home-school. We clearly give the government the right to protect children, no-one is accusing people of mistreatment but this had to be done to protect the tiny percentage of those that may be poorly educated, indoctrinated or abused.

[License2Bill]

the guy with the briefcase is clearly a paedo

[kennydaluz]

Home schooling should be monitored, because the majority of home schooling involves some kind of fundamentalist indoctrination, which should be considered child abuse.

Not giving children access to a proper education, then this is setting them up for failure later on.

Stop moaning! & accept that it must be monitored.

[bugchick]

Absolute rubbish. That might be the case in the US (although I doubt it) but here in the UK the majority of home educators (not schoolers) are NOT doing so for religious reasons.

[kennydaluz]

To bugchick.

Really?

Why is it then whenever I see/hear any report on home schooling in the UK, its about religious nut jobs who want to instill their own world views on their children.

Otherwise, why home school?

It may be the case that some parents are not satisfied with the standard of state schools, but this is few & far between... there more economical alternatives to proper home schooling.

It's very easy to dismiss my comments as rubbish, why don't you back it up with a good reason!

[bugchick]

You believe everything you see in the media? Where's the interest in Jo Bloggs educating his/her kids at home, because they think it's better for their child and their children enjoy it? Of course the media focus on the more extreme.

I've been home educating for 9 years. I'm running my second local social/support group to help HErs meet up with each other. Because of this I've met a lot of home educators over the years, and I haven't met a family that was doing it for indoctrination purposes.

[kennydaluz]

Of course the media sensationalizes many social issues, however this is distracting from the subject.

I can imaging that Mr & Mrs bloggs would think it was better for their child, but is it? And the kids probably enjoy it because its all they know?

No religious person thinks that they are indoctrinating their children & would never say so, but they most probably are.

Please elaborate on the advantages of home schooling?

Do you object to home schooling being monitored? & why?

[rhyfelwrDuw]

It's not just religious people who indoctrinate their children - every parent will indoctrinate their children to some degree! I knew a staunch communist family years ago who indoctrinated their children with communist ideals - they were also atheists!

My kids prefer being homeschooled even though they attended school at one time in their lives!

[kennydaluz]

Yawn!!... Atheist = Communist attack, yet again!

Like religion, communism is an ideology, some communists are atheists, but most atheists are not communists.

In regards to teaching: It is immoral to indoctrinate a child, regardless. Let the learn all opinions & evidence & let the form their own opinions.

All kinds of indoctrination are fundamentally wrong, it's just so that religious indoctrination counts for the majority of cases.

[rhyfelwrDuw]

Advantages of home schooling:

One to one attention from someone who has their total wellbeing in mind, loves and cares for them.

No bullying

No comparison between siblings

children learn at their own pace, not at the pace the government say they should learn (I am a parent with a very academic son and another son who is autistic and isn't as quick to grasp things, but they are not compared as each child develops at their own rate).

[kennydaluz]

One to one teaching is great, if there is the resources available, & I do agree, that home school is good in this regard. However, what about learning teamwork & co-operation?

No Bullying... there are many forms of bullying on all aspects of life & it doesn't end at school. Threatening your children with fire & damnation is a form of psychological bullying.

I do agree about children needing to learn at own pace, but again a resource problem, home schooling only fixes part if a wider issue.

[rhyfelwrDuw]

The children learn how to be in a family, learn about what being part of a family is about

No peer pressure

Guidance from the people who care for them the most (their parents) as opposed to their peers who know nothing about life

They learn useful skills like cooking (and I don't mean pizzas and scones which I learned to bake in school!)

They learn household management skills, managing money, paying bills etc.

They can develop their gifts in a much more thorough way at home.

[kennydaluz]

Family life is taught by all responsible parents.

Peer Pressure is an important part of growing up.

Guidance from parents or Moddy coddling?

All these skills are also taught in school, depending on the school of course.

what about learning if they have other gifts? e.g Sport, Drama etc?

[rhyfelwrDuw]

The whole family learn together - that is one of the most exciting things about home schooling my children - I have learned a lot more about things I had no interest in! Learning together is fun!

Can discuss issues in depth, e.g. when the troops were sent to Iraq and Afghanistan we looked at both countries and the children could see that not all people who lived there were terrorists.

More opportunities to go out into the world instead of being stuck in a classroom being bored!

[kennydaluz]

I mostly agree with your comments here, but again, this interaction should occur regardless.

[Panchee123]

bottom line is it is sad that people are complacent with the gov. running the show. Truly ignorant sheep.

[rhyfelwrDuw]

The secular government harp on as if schools are their baby! Schools were originally set up by Christians. Schools are breeding grounds for bullying and other forms of abuse. The FAMILY is the place where children should be - not in some institutionalised training ground for bullying and promiscuity!

[spsducati]

What is also scary is what if the "man from the government" abused the child himself?

I do think that this is a step too far.

[amsterdammed71]

Well it depends doesn't it? Often home schooled kids are brainwashed with superstitious rubbish like the Earth being 6,000 years old (I guess most of the placard waving nutbags at Gay pride celebrations are homeschooled...? just a guess)

[rhyfelwrDuw]

I home school and yes I tell my children that the world IS 6,000 years old only because the evidence shows that! Evilution has never been proven! I like my children to learn the truth and not be brainwashed by the likes of Dawkins et al.

[amsterdammed71]

Please tell me you are joking. So, you're condemning your kids to being ignorant about science, pretending that we did not evolve, and that man walked with dinosaurs? It's people like you which make government intervention a necessity.

[rhyfelwrDuw]

Definitely not - they are less ignorant than secular schools because my children learn about creation and evilution - there has to be balance in life and schools are too one sided! My sons wants to do a degree in physics in a couple of years time - then he will come face to face with the one sided view of evilution!

[kennydaluz]

Richard Dawkins is advocating critical thinking skills be taught more in schools. Wheres the brainwashing in that?

Give me an specific example of Richard Dawkins using brain washing techniques.

You lie when you just accuse anyone of brainwashing, without being specific.

for example: Forcing religious sermon's on children... That is an example of brainwashing.

[amsterdammed71]

You cn sum up the difference in thinking as follows: A scientist would not say 'the sky is blue': that person would simply say, 'look up'. It's about how you think, how you find answers out, not what you think.

This concept is difficult for people who have been told the sky is green and to look down all the time.

Critical thinking can never be done in a kneeling position ;-))

[rhyfelwrDuw]

Critical thinking skills in schools SHOULD involve both evilution and creation being taught, but Dawkins, from what I have heard from him, just wants one side!

How is not producing evidence a lie - just means I haven't given anything to you - doesn't mean I'm lying, just being lenient with the truth which isn't lying...

[mannypatel1]

why you so focussed on gays?

the video said nothing about gays.

[amsterdammed71]

Homeschooling, evolution deniers, placard-waving crackpots, climate change deniers - all the same level of stupidity.

[mannypatel1]

you still have not told us why you brought gays into it...

making sweeping statements like your statement does not add to your argument

[amsterdammed71]

to repeat, I come across religious nutcases screaming and hollering at gay pride and always make a point of asking them how old they believe the earth to be, and whether they accept the facts about Evolution. When people are this stupid and brainwashed with superstition and nonsense, it's an obligation to make sweeping statements.

[davemakesawave]

There might be something in this because RD for example wants teaching the Bible to children to be classed as a form of child abuse, presumably on the grounds of Safe From Harm guidelines and the new EU Directive on Equal Treatment no doubt will be stretched even further than it is already, so who knows how exciting the future is going to be.

[mariahmadrileno]

"davemakeswave" RD WANTS all children to learn about the bible and other holy books as its part of history and literature. He said INDOCRINATING children is what is child abuse, E.G. telling kids they will go to hell for frivilous reasons etc etc