To all those saying templar or reaver/shuttle, realise that toss committed to a 4 gate timing attack with zealots legs, this build was very much all in at that time as the toss forces the zerg to build lings. There was no sair/reaver build at that time and if this all in failed and toss would be on 1 base without any cannons to counter the in coming mutas.
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lol why did that protoss dude give up anyway, if he had brought out shuttle+reavers he would have anhilated his defences while keeping pressure with zealots
The protoss build was a very all-in strategy. If you watch closely, he was only mining enough gas to get zealot legs and nothing more, in order to support four gateways from one base. throughout the game he was unable to set up the protoss ball or wall that is needed to defeat zerglings. Savoir was able to pull off great surrounds on his zealots with his zergling micro.
It is almost necessary to have two bases to support a reaver harass, because it is so gas heavy.
one of the shocking games of savior.. commentators kept saying.. ' if protoss cant defeat savior by this way.. there is no other way to defeat this guy'
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Why did red keep throwing away his units? A little after 8 minutes in the video, he should be making a strategic retreat to wait for reinforcements and make a stronger attack or just mass outside.
With the huge surface area where the groups meet, red should be trying to build up to 18 or more zealots to make a full line.. if you look a lot of the time, the zealots are getting flanked and taking heavier losses.. especially while fighting single file..
Even if red only is using one base, he would still have a strong advantage if he keeps building and building his troop count, and if the zerg don't keep making lings and sunkens to match the build up, you can attack earlier with the overwhelming advantage. If savior is forced to turtle with a bunch of sunkens, then after getting 24 or so zealots to sit outside, you can start to quickly expand 2 or 3 times to try to equalize economically,
or you could start to build dragoons.. I think 24 zealots and 12 or so dragoons could easily take 50lings + 8 sunkens.. am I wrong? You need to get the dragoons to focus on the sunkens and make quick work of them, or try to lure a bunch of lings off and lessen their numbers.
well... red's attack was like..well lets say finishing move. you see, he prepared that finishing move by not mining gas, making 4 gates with no expansion and crtically, without making any probes. he made big sacrifices to make this move. he should have eliminated at least zerg's expansion to catch up what he have lost by sacrificing for this move. lastly if you see savior's matches, he never turtle with sunkens in the games nor do other progamers
Lol. In the time it would've taken that Toss to get 24 zealots and 12 dragoons (either on one base or taking an expo making it even longer before he got those units) sAviOr would of had two more bases and probably around 12+ lurkers, scourge and even more lings...
The toss attacked the sunkens at the end because he had already lost. He did an "all-in" strategy; he did an early 4 gate zealot rush and played really aggressively, sacrificing his economy (no expansion). After his first two attacks failed he had already lost the game; he was too far behind. He had nothing to lose by attacking at the end.
mmm good begining of game by daezang. But he played as a noob on the late game. I dont understand it, no exp, no corsair, just keep producing zea... T_T.
This is when savior is ogod. Try a different srat and maybe it will work is the line of thought. These guys practice these strats a lot, there had to be a reason he wnet for it.
wowo agressive toss...damn savior rulz...i think protos lose cause he tried a very agressive tech and didnt work out...maybe he should get frge and expan while Savior was weak...anyway gg...:D! Savior rox
his strat was based on surprise, but savior lucked out and i think this map was a *little* too big to do daezeng's 4gate zlot strat, zerg replensished his lings fast with 3/4 hatch
no. u don't do goons & cannons on fastest either. any decent z can just go early hydra/ling mass, muta/ling harass, and finish with lurk/ling/ultra/defi or guard/ling or generally a fastest combo: guard/hydra
Actually I think protoss lost because he only sent 5 zealots in his first attack. 8 zealots would've been better. He also lost like 3 zealots trying to enter the zerg's main. He should've concentrated on killing zerg's expo.
Very gg though, great play by both. I love the deception.
I think Prot lost because he did not group units and attack in formations like the Zerg player did. Any overwhelming force attacking in a Single File line will not prevail.
wow. that drone pass was amazingly unexpected. and i like how ipx uses his overlords to make it harder for the P player to micro his zealots. the sunkens were perfectly timed. and i was amazed at how the p player did for 4 gateways with only his main nexus. P prolly knew if his plan didnt work, his economy would have been ruined
lol dont u think ur made smart. I guess u only play fastest and bgh? goons agasint zerg? are u stupid? goons do like half damage on anything thats too small (lings). and u cant just cannon ur base, u dont have unlimited minerals
(like on the maps u play) in ur base so u have to go out.
Toss was behind in terms of army size & economy... Zerg had countered ALL waves of his zealots attacks... after tat final climatic battle where his lots were killed, there was no way he can rebuilt another army to defend/attack in time... ZERG would have sent all his lings to counter... thus Toss GGed...
3:17 SEX~~~!
Bawang0716 2 months ago
Holy crap the graphics were terrible back then! ~It has improved so much more with SC2. Well that being said nearly 10 years has passed...lol
flambee1986 1 year ago
why didnt he get +1?
Lubie225 1 year ago
he woulda won extremely easily if he invested 100 more gas to get +1
KillerCheebo 2 years ago
To all those saying templar or reaver/shuttle, realise that toss committed to a 4 gate timing attack with zealots legs, this build was very much all in at that time as the toss forces the zerg to build lings. There was no sair/reaver build at that time and if this all in failed and toss would be on 1 base without any cannons to counter the in coming mutas.
myloneflower 2 years ago 3
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lol why did that protoss dude give up anyway, if he had brought out shuttle+reavers he would have anhilated his defences while keeping pressure with zealots
1337Baboon 2 years ago
trust me he is not a noob if he could he would have done so
stoneheart92 2 years ago
The protoss build was a very all-in strategy. If you watch closely, he was only mining enough gas to get zealot legs and nothing more, in order to support four gateways from one base. throughout the game he was unable to set up the protoss ball or wall that is needed to defeat zerglings. Savoir was able to pull off great surrounds on his zealots with his zergling micro.
It is almost necessary to have two bases to support a reaver harass, because it is so gas heavy.
Tactical0Panda 2 years ago
one of the shocking games of savior.. commentators kept saying.. ' if protoss cant defeat savior by this way.. there is no other way to defeat this guy'
motoroia2 3 years ago
He made huge mistake by not blocking saviors ramp when he beat his natural, this way his reinforcements would be stuck in main.
PuciekPL 3 years ago 9
idk y ur thumbs down.... thats exactly right
Mercyless1233 3 years ago
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seeaeytch 3 years ago
do they try to find the worst players vs savoir? they all suck
s00nertp 3 years ago
DaeZang is NOT the worst player and not a bad player at all, he has recently beaten some "big" guys. This was an all-in BO.
bwdtoss 3 years ago 2
Why didn't he improve the attack of zealot?
btfighter 3 years ago
or make templars?????
Mercyless1233 3 years ago
could his zealot attack at the start have succeeded if he sent along all his probes aswell maby?
DuraheLL 3 years ago
wats the song at the beginning?
PlagueAngel77 3 years ago
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all he know about toss is zealot.
kwongsk 3 years ago
bit off topic here. but nal_ra is way sexy.
he's sexiest pro gamer. well one of them
lavalicker 4 years ago
prolly if daezang attacks again whit the 8 zelots insteed of the 12, giving the maestro 1 minuto prolly to recovered he would win
chuckycol 4 years ago
its peaks of beakanadu. well known map, i dont know the correct spelling tho
yavolo 4 years ago
Wat map is this?
jebusrocks 4 years ago
He eats his vegetables and instant ramen!
I love all these old strats they play, this is the best map ever just because of the infinite amount of micro that can be done :)
seraph291193 4 years ago
WOW. Savior is amazing... how does he do it?
briach 4 years ago 2
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toss should have contained instead of suicide attack at end. Savior had 4 sunks, that =8 dead zealots and then u have lings.
kirbyman1kanden7pf 4 years ago
The comment system is SO ANNOYING
moogleone 4 years ago
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Why did red keep throwing away his units? A little after 8 minutes in the video, he should be making a strategic retreat to wait for reinforcements and make a stronger attack or just mass outside.
With the huge surface area where the groups meet, red should be trying to build up to 18 or more zealots to make a full line.. if you look a lot of the time, the zealots are getting flanked and taking heavier losses.. especially while fighting single file..
moogleone 4 years ago
Even if red only is using one base, he would still have a strong advantage if he keeps building and building his troop count, and if the zerg don't keep making lings and sunkens to match the build up, you can attack earlier with the overwhelming advantage. If savior is forced to turtle with a bunch of sunkens, then after getting 24 or so zealots to sit outside, you can start to quickly expand 2 or 3 times to try to equalize economically,
moogleone 4 years ago
or you could start to build dragoons.. I think 24 zealots and 12 or so dragoons could easily take 50lings + 8 sunkens.. am I wrong? You need to get the dragoons to focus on the sunkens and make quick work of them, or try to lure a bunch of lings off and lessen their numbers.
moogleone 4 years ago
well... red's attack was like..well lets say finishing move. you see, he prepared that finishing move by not mining gas, making 4 gates with no expansion and crtically, without making any probes. he made big sacrifices to make this move. he should have eliminated at least zerg's expansion to catch up what he have lost by sacrificing for this move. lastly if you see savior's matches, he never turtle with sunkens in the games nor do other progamers
ssanghho 4 years ago
Lol. In the time it would've taken that Toss to get 24 zealots and 12 dragoons (either on one base or taking an expo making it even longer before he got those units) sAviOr would of had two more bases and probably around 12+ lurkers, scourge and even more lings...
WRXMaTt89 4 years ago
The toss attacked the sunkens at the end because he had already lost. He did an "all-in" strategy; he did an early 4 gate zealot rush and played really aggressively, sacrificing his economy (no expansion). After his first two attacks failed he had already lost the game; he was too far behind. He had nothing to lose by attacking at the end.
WRXMaTt89 4 years ago 8
mmm good begining of game by daezang. But he played as a noob on the late game. I dont understand it, no exp, no corsair, just keep producing zea... T_T.
Mhepac 4 years ago
I think they need more Pringles signs.
anonymous732 4 years ago
The protoss just had 1 base... It will never work!
GxPeacemaker 4 years ago
Hm. I think mass +1 zeal would have been better.
odin2358 4 years ago
whats the op song?
Jinisinsane 5 years ago
heh, the protoss coulda kept couple probes on gas, have a ton of the stuff with all zeal, slap down archives and get an archon or 2 =/?
DarkSlayer163 5 years ago
daezang mass zealots without upgrade fucking stupid ignorant play
dontlikemb 5 years ago
This is when savior is ogod. Try a different srat and maybe it will work is the line of thought. These guys practice these strats a lot, there had to be a reason he wnet for it.
ChoboToss91 4 years ago
wowo agressive toss...damn savior rulz...i think protos lose cause he tried a very agressive tech and didnt work out...maybe he should get frge and expan while Savior was weak...anyway gg...:D! Savior rox
WeriToSsS 5 years ago
savior fighting~
JtFGhost 5 years ago
commentators had too much caffein -_-
HopesLastStand 5 years ago
his strat was based on surprise, but savior lucked out and i think this map was a *little* too big to do daezeng's 4gate zlot strat, zerg replensished his lings fast with 3/4 hatch
iMPERiOUS 5 years ago
Demonic zerglings!
KizZBG 5 years ago
no. u don't do goons & cannons on fastest either. any decent z can just go early hydra/ling mass, muta/ling harass, and finish with lurk/ling/ultra/defi or guard/ling or generally a fastest combo: guard/hydra
i prefer melee being a former B rank player
heyarashi 5 years ago
Actually I think protoss lost because he only sent 5 zealots in his first attack. 8 zealots would've been better. He also lost like 3 zealots trying to enter the zerg's main. He should've concentrated on killing zerg's expo.
Very gg though, great play by both. I love the deception.
Pnigro 5 years ago
I think Prot lost because he did not group units and attack in formations like the Zerg player did. Any overwhelming force attacking in a Single File line will not prevail.
jakubc 5 years ago
slobbergoat they know they gone a lose so they give up fast
aorksldna 5 years ago
amay ziiiiiiiiiiiiiiing
bloodbathfan 5 years ago
three hatcheries saved zerg at the end...
s4life 5 years ago
wow. that drone pass was amazingly unexpected. and i like how ipx uses his overlords to make it harder for the P player to micro his zealots. the sunkens were perfectly timed. and i was amazed at how the p player did for 4 gateways with only his main nexus. P prolly knew if his plan didnt work, his economy would have been ruined
FreezerFlame 5 years ago
listen carefully! you can hear wind!
swimwithRT 5 years ago
that drone pass was pretty cool. actually i just like the commentators reaction more heh
swimwithRT 5 years ago
sAviOr vs XellOs next round ^_^ best of 3!
Jon747 5 years ago
"asians give up too fast"? Saviour would have pwned
your goons with his lings. Savior's micro OWNS!
That was definitely a gg.
relmege 5 years ago
<3!
Xelic 5 years ago
IPXzerg controls every detail in the game, that's why he is the best of all.
gunmenow 5 years ago
asians give up too fast, i would have built cannons at my base and massed goons
slobbergoat 5 years ago
word of the day for ya -- 'NOOB' !
krazi58 5 years ago
lol dont u think ur made smart. I guess u only play fastest and bgh? goons agasint zerg? are u stupid? goons do like half damage on anything thats too small (lings). and u cant just cannon ur base, u dont have unlimited minerals
(like on the maps u play) in ur base so u have to go out.
FreezerFlame 5 years ago
sure if you were playing fastest map then you can get money flowing out of your butthole
mickeyk90 5 years ago
this guy is retarded.. we should all ignore him
EarthRaz 5 years ago
wow hes a dam amazing zerg player..i thought he was done for with that army of zealots
jinnn 5 years ago
VioleTAK--Thanx a lot, great vod. You rock!
UchihaVibez 5 years ago
IPX made him type 'gg' without even attacking ^_^
Jon747 5 years ago
emm... why did he give up?!
bondd47 5 years ago
Toss was behind in terms of army size & economy... Zerg had countered ALL waves of his zealots attacks... after tat final climatic battle where his lots were killed, there was no way he can rebuilt another army to defend/attack in time... ZERG would have sent all his lings to counter... thus Toss GGed...
MickeyToss 5 years ago
yeah, that was awesome! I thought the Zerg were done for, but no, instead, they came back and f***ed those bastards up.
insidious234 5 years ago
WOW. That rocked.
steve8998 5 years ago