@bwayfanatic94 Italic pronunciation is just a classical standard--like the A above middle C on a piano is 440 Hz (cycles per second). Local color wrt vowels and consonants depends on the choir director, his training and his singers.
Listen to Latin as sung by a children's choir in the (US) Southern Lowlands region or, say, a Castilian choir. They all start at the same point, but the color just slips in unless the choir director/teacher diligently 'corrects' to the standard.
Ya know, I keep coming back to this as a comforting piece of tuneage after (yet another) frustrating day. It has really become a protective/restorative groove for me.
I take comfort in the words, the arrangement, and--perhaps as a surprise--the space in which it is delivered. Resonance like that is the reason God gave us granite and the engineering science of statics!
OOOPS! PAX T'was not an intent to offend, only to say that the sarcasm was directed at previous, 70's bands. It is so lovely to hear Latin, a so called 'dead' language, so beautifully resurrected. ps. keep working on the'bloody dip thongs' !
OOOPS! PAX T'was not an intent to offend, only to say that the sarcasm was directed at previous, 70's bands. It is so lovely to hear Latin, a so called 'dead' language, so beautifully resurrected. ps. keep working on the'bloody dip thongs' !
@greendemeter57 no. But thank you for apologising for whatever it was you did wrong beyond being rude about Steeleye Span, who probably didn't have the specialist education that is required to pronounce Latin good-like, and foolishly responded purely on a musical basis.
@roosswald how do you friekin know? it's a dead friekin language-ps-virGine would sound even worse-pps-the straining soloist with the hearing aid and the freddie mercury moustache is your best friend heheh(joke)
I love Anuna's music...I am from India...don't understand a word of the lyrics..but I love the melody ... someday I'd want to learn gaelic...or latin..whichever this is..
ok, question since I am not an english native speaker or a linguist and I did laugh my ass off reading these comments: with the diphthongs you are referring to au in gaudete? ...in "correct" Latin it should have been a - u (aa-oo) or something? People should try the Dutch diphthongs...always funny since you can make a lot of dirty Dutch words with them.
I get why people normally don't like diphthongs, but just listen. They are all in time! It is obviously a style choice. They sounds VERY together. As a Latin student, also, I can say the pronunciation of some words are a little spine tingling. But again, they are doing it together and sound great. I love this group and enjoy listening to their pieces and watching them have some fun with the general masses' opinions on something as minuscule as diphthongs.
my choir recently did this song for a concert we had...most of our time went to working on the bloody dip thongs..for instance our instructor told us to say "Gah-ooh-de-teh" it took us a month and a half to master it
If you sing after this instructor, you will be grateful. I sang (bel canto) professionally from ages 10-28, and the sooner you get a grip on that stuff, the easier you will find it down the road. That said, diphthongs are a real pain in the tush if the conductor gets stuck on them. They only make a difference in small rooms. Get a nice garage about the size of--say, the National Cathedral--just sing everything either staccato or portato, and yer good to go.
@LisaMarie53183 yawn, bore, limited experience, insular, snob - so many things spring to mind on reading your comment. You have made Anúna very, very happy indeed, as we are on tour, and its raining, and the telly is broken and we were bored. Now we are happy. Thank you.
@brezairola Obviously the emphatic diphthong is a stylistic choice: the result is a blended, unified sound, whatever one may be used to hearing.
That said, in Latin shouldn't the same vowels always sound the same, or was that also a stylistic decision? For example "veer-jih-nay" vs "veer-jee-nay," or "ehst" vs "gow-day-tay." All are doing it the same way, so no complaints, I'm just asking; other Anúna Latin songs I've heard don't show this.
@RInstro Excellent! Well spotted. While I gain great amusement reading the comments on this video, this one is spot on. Yes - there are serious inconsistencies. Yes - Anuna pronounce Latin differently on our other pieces. This one has the "Steeleye Span" factor to contend with and as a result sounds as it does. I liked the sound of the diphthongs and now they are there, and the singers know better than to argue sometimes. They would have lost this one...
@LisaMarie53183 "Respecting the music"...? Does that mean anything? The manuscript, which I am looking at a facsimile of, says nothing about respect. This music is to be enjoyed, and we do enjoy it. As we sing it it lives.
Yes, they did pronounce it wrong, however, I still listen to this song regularly along with other Anuna songs and I enjoy them, even with this one pronunciation issue. I don't understand why people can't be more open.
I am a huge fan of Anuna for several reasons. Firstly, the wonderful quality of the singing. The members really do excellent ensemble work. Secondly, they succeed at bringing to popular consciousness truly great, historic works that are worth listening to. The latter is particularly important in this day and age where so much is forgotten.
Well, listening to the way this is pronounced, and what current Romance languages sound like, this is probably how Latin was pronounced way back when. So I don't know what people are all up in arms about.
My biggest problem with this song, (I think it's the only one) is that they had a tenor (guy) sing the part that, on the album version, a soprano (woman) sings.
Latin is a language only written. Pronunciation does not matter anymore, and just appreciate the sheer epicness of that guys voice and everyones voice for that matter.
@mjakes20 Catholic church has keept alive the latin accent because is used in mass since thousands of years, so if you want to know the most real pronunciation of latin you can hear a latin mass in the vatican. Or latin chorus by the benedictine monks.
@DubiaFluctuant Fair point. But it shouldn't offend anyone, I didn't realise ancient Romans have youtube accounts. Point is, it's not anyone's first language.
Why do people like this ruin carols with their shocking pronunciation!!! Gau-day-tay!!! it really gets me. its an e not an ay sound. As a cambridge choir member i should know as well.
@SlushPuppy999 I assume you are being amusing Mr/Ms Puppy, because if not, you come over as a pompous over-bearing snob. which I am sure you are not. As if anyone singing in Oxbridge could lecture the rest of the world about how to do singing proper. I have to say that some of the worst excesses of bad choral, well, everything are to be heard among such choirs. Anyway, as you are obviously joking I will end this comment with this. This.
@SlushPuppy999 Who can really say what the right pronounciation of an old unspoken language really is? I don't think that it is the english e sound that is correct here but it seems also wrong to set a day for the roman de where the y is not spoken aloud. I think the right think is something in the middle.
@SlushPuppy999 And as Cambridge Orchestral member and studier of Baroque Choral Music I'm telling you to quit whining. They've already stated by a member of theirs commenting that they're not a professional choir. It's hardly as if they're singing this to the pope and risk excommunication from mispronunciation! It most certainly hasn't "ruined" this carol.
Pronunciation aside, well done - sounds great and at the end of the day that's all that matters.
@Barbara666mwa - Nobody knows what a Latin accent sounds like, because the Roman empire ended about a millenium and a half ago. There's nothing wrong with using English intonation, given that the alternatives are a) using the intonation from a different non-Latin language or b) making something up.
Gaudete, gaudete! Christus est natus Ex Maria virgine, gaudete! Tempus adest gratiæ Hoc quod optabamus, Carmina lætitiæ Devote reddamus. Deus homo factus est Natura mirante, Mundus renovatus est A Christo regnante. Ezechielis porta Clausa pertransitur, Unde lux est orta Salus invenitur. Ergo nostra contio Psallat iam in lustro; Benedicat Domino: Salus Regi nostro.
@MrBallerGuy Would they be dead by any chance? If not, then it is likely then that they are "makey-uppey" Latin speakers, as they couldn't have learned it from one who uses it in everyday life as their first language. As we know, they are all dead. However, if they are mediums, and there is an afterlife, then there is a chance that they can speak to dead people. If so then your comment is valid and I need to buy more brandy.
thios is a good peice, the music is good quality, the harmoneys are lovely and none of the words are 'harsh' which you sometimes get when people sing in latin, this song's words have a good flow
Anuna has always been one of my favorite groups since some of your members (or the group entire? my history is shady) appeared in the Riverdance VHS 'lo these 18 years ago. You are one of the reasons I got into Celtic music, and I aspire to arrange music so elegantly.
I love this version of Gaudete with a male soloist, and will be putting a link in to it from one of my Christmas blogs at The shakespeare blog. I'll also be linking to Steeleye Span with Maddie Prior's gorgeous voice:they did so much to bring this music to popular notice.
Cette version est très bonne vocalement ! Effectivement "l'accent" et la pronociation peuvent faire sourire, mais je pense que ça apporte un certain charme "gaawwe day tééé".
As today is Gaudete Sunday, of course this video's going to attract more attention than usual.
I posted a different Gaudete video link on my blog last year (not from Anuna), and one of the complaints I got was that it had too strong an English accent.
I found that amusing, and I wonder if the rolling r's and other distinctive pronunications of the lead singer in this video performance are what they were referring to.
In any case, it's still extremely beautiful. Vivat Jesus!
This argument's a bit tedious. Latin is not an academic language for lawyers or scholars who fuss over hard c's and how to pronounce dipthongs. Still less is it the property of the people now inhabiting the region from whence it sprung.
Whether Anuna would agree or not, Latin belongs to any group of Catholic people, and having lived in the States, Korea, and Poland, I can say it's pronounced differently everywhere, and this is a sign of how alive it is. Only dead languages never change.
@Jacobitess Not sure why you think we disagree with what you say. We agree with you - however it is a dead language. I hope this doesn't upset you, but death is inevitable.
@Jacobitess It changes under only a couple circumstances, though... either under regional pronunciations which have existed for hundreds of years, such as french and germanic latin, or through butchering of the language itself, as in this example. There is no latin pronunciation which calls for such a diphthong on the [e] of "gaudete." That's just poor research. There are no longer any native speakers of latin... therefore, it is a dead language.
Change of semantics is indicator of life of a certain language. I'm a Catholic with certain traditionalist views if Latin hadn't been dead it's words would change their meaning and that would't be very good for depositum fidei. Since it's dead language every word means exactly the same thing as it meant before almost 1800 years. Thank God for that.
I'm not implying that it should not be used. It should. I wan't the Tridentine Mass and Latin all over the world.
I love this arrangement and freshness of this song. I like soloist voice. It is very best version I ve found here on youtube. but I dont understand WHY professional musical ansemble doesnt care about pronunciation. Firstly I ve thought that they are singing in Celtic language! It is a pity. it decreases the value of their singing.:-(
@lubicakotmanikova Are you talking about Anuna? We aren't professional, and we are deeply sorry for disappointing you. Well, maybe not deeply, but slightly. Well, maybe not slightly but thanks for watching it anyway.
To be honest, this discussion on pronunciation shouldn't really focus on localized pronunciation of Latin, or any language for that matter. When singing English text, vowels are elongated more than they are in conversation to sound pleasant when sung, thus the same logic should be applied to Latin. Ergo, eliminating short vowels in Virgine (veer-gee-ney), and eliminating a dip-thong in Gaudete (gah-dey-teh). Spot on note-wise, but those who argue your pronunciation is silly have a point.
@connorkwassa there is no argument. We just don't care what they think. We have tried, hard. Sadly, and after much thought, we decided that we needed to care or organise an outing for the group instead. So we decided to have a big picnic, and it was brilliant, although a bit nippy. So to sum up -
@brezairola i am sorry to hear that the picnic was a bit nippy, but I'm more disappointed that you don't care about feedback. Feedback is necessary for all artists, even professional ones like yourself (I imagine this choir is professional), for growing artistically, and if you blatantly don't care what suggestions people offer for improvement, there will never be artistic growth, and that's really a sad thing whatever way you say it. I hope you reconsider accepting critique; nobody is perfect.
@connorkwassa That is right. No one is perfect. We are not a professional ensemble. We chose to sing this piece this way, and we were informed when we did. We do care when someone has something to offer that we don't already know, but this is not one of those things.
@connorkwassa Dipthongs are not necessarily evil in choral music, nor are short vowels, as long as the singers know how to pronounce them. This is not the same as eliminating the second part of the dipthong (which is usually done for, say, a high school concert choir). Gadete is not gaudete. The correct technique is to pick the more open vowel in the dipthong and hold it, combining the more closed one quickly in with the consonant - but you still have to get it in there.
beautiful, beautiful! the lyrics really come out in your version, i like that. and i'm an old latin student and an ex-linguist and the "gaudaytay" doesn't bother me one bit - steeleye span was a lot "worse" in that respect and their version is still the ruling one if you ask me :). no snobbery, just joy and energy.
@Choristenimes Thank you. But we aren't British, and if we pronounce it badly in anyone's opinion it isn't because we are Irish either. Its just that we don't care enough.
@brezairola you "don't care"? if you're performing a song i think you should care... why care about everything else other than the accents? i still think you're really good though, it's just that if you KNOW you're pronouncing it wrong, why not change it? -.-
I've been reading through the comments... Hahaha! People are quite ridiculous :) And Michael, I think you enjoy the silly negative comments more than the positive ones! Makes me laugh.
@clmarais The problem is that they are not very silly, just pompous in most cases. I am always amazed at how choral singers with limited experience can have such strong and intransigent views on dead languages or performance practice. The world of choral music is wide and wonderful, and the beauty of it is its capacity for organic development. We did this this way because the singers found the vowel [and I say one vowel] natural and easy to sing. Glad so many people agree with them...
I sang this piece last week, and we are around 100 pupils in that choir. You guys are 16 people and you make it sound so perfect! Coming to sweden soon? If your coming , which date? :)
@vidiosdave "go such a potato?" haha your attempts at trolling really suck.
well, it's all about the heritage and the history, you see. Latin is really not dead. A lot of what we speak is derived from latin, as are many medical terms. It's a beautiful language to sing in and is a major part of the Catholic religion. Why sing in English.
so i will tell you to go "such" a potato. have a nice day :D
Went and listened to quite a few versions, keep coming back to this one. Feels the most festive, as well as the most powerful. You guys really take the cake when I listen to you sing, hopefully I can track down a live performance sometime in the future.
@brezairola yes, they are not so bad.. but I've heard the steeleye span's version of this song and I cant stop laughing.. I study latin (I'm italian) and the real sound is completely different
@LedLumba93 here is something for you to take back to your Latin class. Latin originated in Italy. The Romans invaded Europe. English is spoken dialectally all over the world today, so it is reasonable to assume the same about Latin when it was a living language. So the "real" sound is the accepted establishment way of pronouncing things from a localised perspective. There are no real "experts", just people with opinions. Open your mind...
@guitarhero1777 ...as spoken where? Italy? Germany? Ireland? England? Gaul? Tescos? Do you pronounce Latin as it was spoken in Britain two thousand years ago? Are you trying to distance yourself from Steeleye Span who carried an unknown and obscure piece to the top of the UK charts? The memory of that performance with that pronunciation resulted directly in this recording. Try not to be pompous - be proud of their achievement. You don't have a valid high-horse to be sitting on.
@etechepare Its actually GAUDETE. I'm sorry you can't spell Latin good like we do, and can suggest some books that might help, or possibly not. I would also point out that you only need one question mark at the end of a sentence. Technically your remark is just a badly spelled word, which means "Rejoice" or similar, not a question. I can't think why you have it placed as a badly spelled question unless you are questioning the meaning of the word - "Rejoice?" or "Reejoice". etc.
@brezairola And I can't believe someone like you actually thinks you look more intelligent for going off on someone and wasting time like you do trying to look intelligent??????????????? I have news for you, no one gives a rats about your snuffy comments. Im tired of know-it-all's. Your snobbishness is a BIGGER offense than someone who spells a word wrong or puts too many question marks. Get a life.
@DeVipressZephoria You are, of course, correct. I am a snob and I am trying to look intelligent. I have no life at all but the computer and my twelve cats called Fifi. Thank you for the news about this. I am humbled. Apologies for any offence caused, but its actually "I'm" and "rat's". "Going off" isn't even slang, but I do like it. I'm "going off" now to make some gruel for Fifi six. You young people are just so brilliant.
@brezairola spell it "well". i'm sorry you don't have proper grammar. perhaps i could suggest some books that may help.
don't be mean. i think she was commenting on the way the way it was pronounced. usually the e is an "eh" and not two syllables like "eh-ee". i think that's what she meant. no harm done. it's still beautiful though. :)
There's another arrangement of this song that I can't seem to find on youtube. But this group of singers would do so wonderfully on it. It's more complex than this version, for sure. But this one is still quite lovely.
@thecook220 It isn't beautiful by any means, but it has less pole-inserted-in-nether-region that 99% of the versions that you can see here on YouTube. Its amazing how people dismiss the performance and the energy simply because they know more about a dead language, possibly, than Anuna do. The slew of pronunciation comments here clearly show how much import some choral people place in the mechanics rather than the actual effect of the performance on the audience. Let them blab away. We love it!
You are an excellent group but your pronunciation is perfectly unbearable and your reasoning defending your pronunciation is ridiculous and logically lazy. Anyways, you sound great but the pronunciation ruined it for me.
I may have said this before, but this is beautifully done!! Thank you, thank you, thank you!
tmej 6 days ago
i like the guy in the middle
GladiusDestiny 1 week ago
My choir in high school performed much of Anuna's music and it was a huge hit. The guys did Gaudete and everyone loved it.
KaliNight 2 weeks ago in playlist Anuna Dulaman
@bwayfanatic94 You'll be glad to hear that many of Anuna aren't Irish or Catholic either.
brezairola 2 weeks ago
@bwayfanatic94 Italic pronunciation is just a classical standard--like the A above middle C on a piano is 440 Hz (cycles per second). Local color wrt vowels and consonants depends on the choir director, his training and his singers.
Listen to Latin as sung by a children's choir in the (US) Southern Lowlands region or, say, a Castilian choir. They all start at the same point, but the color just slips in unless the choir director/teacher diligently 'corrects' to the standard.
musicandyceramist 3 weeks ago
Ya know, I keep coming back to this as a comforting piece of tuneage after (yet another) frustrating day. It has really become a protective/restorative groove for me.
I take comfort in the words, the arrangement, and--perhaps as a surprise--the space in which it is delivered. Resonance like that is the reason God gave us granite and the engineering science of statics!
musicandyceramist 3 weeks ago
Latin isn't dead...it's EVOLVED.
sheildmaidenofrohan6 1 month ago
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OOOPS! PAX T'was not an intent to offend, only to say that the sarcasm was directed at previous, 70's bands. It is so lovely to hear Latin, a so called 'dead' language, so beautifully resurrected. ps. keep working on the'bloody dip thongs' !
greendemeter57 1 month ago
OOOPS! PAX T'was not an intent to offend, only to say that the sarcasm was directed at previous, 70's bands. It is so lovely to hear Latin, a so called 'dead' language, so beautifully resurrected. ps. keep working on the'bloody dip thongs' !
greendemeter57 1 month ago
@greendemeter57 no. But thank you for apologising for whatever it was you did wrong beyond being rude about Steeleye Span, who probably didn't have the specialist education that is required to pronounce Latin good-like, and foolishly responded purely on a musical basis.
brezairola 1 month ago
At least the latin pronunciation is slightly better than Maddy's !!!
greendemeter57 1 month ago
@greendemeter57 yaaawn. See below.
brezairola 1 month ago
@roosswald how do you friekin know? it's a dead friekin language-ps-virGine would sound even worse-pps-the straining soloist with the hearing aid and the freddie mercury moustache is your best friend heheh(joke)
JonnyTTV 1 month ago
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JonnyTTV 1 month ago
@roosswald Thank you for your stimulating and positive input. Yawn.
brezairola 1 month ago
i love this song thank you from Alisha
mozak27 1 month ago
I love Anuna's music...I am from India...don't understand a word of the lyrics..but I love the melody ... someday I'd want to learn gaelic...or latin..whichever this is..
somneil 1 month ago
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breakfastisgo 1 month ago
Man who is singing solo is AMAZING ! He look like celt..
Pixarification 1 month ago
just wanted to say... ya'll are amazingness!! this song is one of my favorites!!! Keep up the good work!!!! :D
missionarypilot88 1 month ago
ok, question since I am not an english native speaker or a linguist and I did laugh my ass off reading these comments: with the diphthongs you are referring to au in gaudete? ...in "correct" Latin it should have been a - u (aa-oo) or something? People should try the Dutch diphthongs...always funny since you can make a lot of dirty Dutch words with them.
Luti77 1 month ago
I have to sing the solo for my school choir. I have no idea how I'm gonna pull this off.
capus2000 1 month ago
Beautiful. Absolutely beautiful!
tmej 1 month ago in playlist My favorite music 2
I get why people normally don't like diphthongs, but just listen. They are all in time! It is obviously a style choice. They sounds VERY together. As a Latin student, also, I can say the pronunciation of some words are a little spine tingling. But again, they are doing it together and sound great. I love this group and enjoy listening to their pieces and watching them have some fun with the general masses' opinions on something as minuscule as diphthongs.
BlacknPinkGloves 1 month ago
Nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LeovanAres 1 month ago
my choir recently did this song for a concert we had...most of our time went to working on the bloody dip thongs..for instance our instructor told us to say "Gah-ooh-de-teh" it took us a month and a half to master it
ClimbersNirvana 1 month ago
@ClimbersNirvana All that time wasted...when you could have been focused on enjoying it.
brezairola 1 month ago 3
@ClimbersNirvana
If you sing after this instructor, you will be grateful. I sang (bel canto) professionally from ages 10-28, and the sooner you get a grip on that stuff, the easier you will find it down the road. That said, diphthongs are a real pain in the tush if the conductor gets stuck on them. They only make a difference in small rooms. Get a nice garage about the size of--say, the National Cathedral--just sing everything either staccato or portato, and yer good to go.
musicandyceramist 1 month ago
@ClimbersNirvana Really, "english latin" is rather unplesant to listen. Dirty latin I could say, unable to pronounce it correctly. Well... ;)
McHeir 1 month ago
So, beautifull :) We sang this on Mass :)
VlogMateusz 2 months ago
I was so nauseous listening to those diphthongs, I had to turn it off.... gross
LisaMarie53183 2 months ago
@LisaMarie53183 yawn, bore, limited experience, insular, snob - so many things spring to mind on reading your comment. You have made Anúna very, very happy indeed, as we are on tour, and its raining, and the telly is broken and we were bored. Now we are happy. Thank you.
brezairola 2 months ago 2
@brezairola Nice burn! :D
RexDogma 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
@brezairola Obviously the emphatic diphthong is a stylistic choice: the result is a blended, unified sound, whatever one may be used to hearing.
That said, in Latin shouldn't the same vowels always sound the same, or was that also a stylistic decision? For example "veer-jih-nay" vs "veer-jee-nay," or "ehst" vs "gow-day-tay." All are doing it the same way, so no complaints, I'm just asking; other Anúna Latin songs I've heard don't show this.
Anyhow, Christmastide w/Anúna = awesome. Thanks!
RInstro 1 month ago
@RInstro Excellent! Well spotted. While I gain great amusement reading the comments on this video, this one is spot on. Yes - there are serious inconsistencies. Yes - Anuna pronounce Latin differently on our other pieces. This one has the "Steeleye Span" factor to contend with and as a result sounds as it does. I liked the sound of the diphthongs and now they are there, and the singers know better than to argue sometimes. They would have lost this one...
brezairola 1 month ago
@brezairola It's just a matter of respecting the music, imo
LisaMarie53183 1 month ago
@LisaMarie53183 "Respecting the music"...? Does that mean anything? The manuscript, which I am looking at a facsimile of, says nothing about respect. This music is to be enjoyed, and we do enjoy it. As we sing it it lives.
brezairola 1 month ago
@LisaMarie53183 you are an idiot
clknapp715 1 month ago
@LisaMarie53183 Go listen to something that's just as crappy as your comment. Seems like you can't appreciate real skill and talent.
sharissamandy 1 month ago
Yes, they did pronounce it wrong, however, I still listen to this song regularly along with other Anuna songs and I enjoy them, even with this one pronunciation issue. I don't understand why people can't be more open.
MrGaelms 2 months ago 2
@MrGaelms or less limited...
brezairola 2 months ago
Fantastic rendition! Thanks for posting.
I am a huge fan of Anuna for several reasons. Firstly, the wonderful quality of the singing. The members really do excellent ensemble work. Secondly, they succeed at bringing to popular consciousness truly great, historic works that are worth listening to. The latter is particularly important in this day and age where so much is forgotten.
Peace.
BunyasMom 2 months ago
Well, listening to the way this is pronounced, and what current Romance languages sound like, this is probably how Latin was pronounced way back when. So I don't know what people are all up in arms about.
VulcanTrekkie45 2 months ago 2
Can't believe people are honestly getting upset at pronunciation being changed for the sake of aural aesthetics. Join a choir!
Merry Christmas, you dicks.
Optronyx 2 months ago 19
@Optronyx My real name is Hugh Dicks and I have just noticed that you have spelled Hugh incorrectly.
stengweed 1 month ago
@Optronyx SERIOUSLY... it is very hard to pronounce things correctly in a choir setting! especially Latin...
missionarypilot88 1 month ago
This is an amazing rendition of a most beautiful carol; by far the best on YouTube. Many congratulations to all the singers.
GJ0KYZ 2 months ago
My biggest problem with this song, (I think it's the only one) is that they had a tenor (guy) sing the part that, on the album version, a soprano (woman) sings.
kanjimasteryugi 2 months ago
Latin is a language only written. Pronunciation does not matter anymore, and just appreciate the sheer epicness of that guys voice and everyones voice for that matter.
mjakes20 2 months ago
@mjakes20 Catholic church has keept alive the latin accent because is used in mass since thousands of years, so if you want to know the most real pronunciation of latin you can hear a latin mass in the vatican. Or latin chorus by the benedictine monks.
DubiaFluctuant 2 months ago 2
@DubiaFluctuant Fair point. But it shouldn't offend anyone, I didn't realise ancient Romans have youtube accounts. Point is, it's not anyone's first language.
mjakes20 2 months ago
OHMYGOD THEY RUINED THIS THEY ARE PRONOUNCING THIS ALL WRONG WTF
Bruue2011 2 months ago
@Bruue2011 BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH I am a pompous snob BLAH BLAH etc. Merry Log.
brezairola 2 months ago 7
@Bruue2011 I'm Italian and I know well Latin. That's true :D but they sing quite well :)
DafniElissa 2 months ago
Why do people like this ruin carols with their shocking pronunciation!!! Gau-day-tay!!! it really gets me. its an e not an ay sound. As a cambridge choir member i should know as well.
SlushPuppy999 2 months ago 4
@SlushPuppy999 I assume you are being amusing Mr/Ms Puppy, because if not, you come over as a pompous over-bearing snob. which I am sure you are not. As if anyone singing in Oxbridge could lecture the rest of the world about how to do singing proper. I have to say that some of the worst excesses of bad choral, well, everything are to be heard among such choirs. Anyway, as you are obviously joking I will end this comment with this. This.
brezairola 2 months ago 3
@SlushPuppy999 Who can really say what the right pronounciation of an old unspoken language really is? I don't think that it is the english e sound that is correct here but it seems also wrong to set a day for the roman de where the y is not spoken aloud. I think the right think is something in the middle.
mon2908 2 months ago
@SlushPuppy999 And as Cambridge Orchestral member and studier of Baroque Choral Music I'm telling you to quit whining. They've already stated by a member of theirs commenting that they're not a professional choir. It's hardly as if they're singing this to the pope and risk excommunication from mispronunciation! It most certainly hasn't "ruined" this carol.
Pronunciation aside, well done - sounds great and at the end of the day that's all that matters.
ProfessorPiano 2 months ago
@SlushPuppy999 boooooooooo. good for you cambridge member. Still sounds good.
Yosemite25 2 months ago in playlist Liked videos
@SlushPuppy999 As if any Cambridge choir member would have a username like Slush Puppy 999..
zelenovi 2 months ago
I can't believe they have wonen singing?!?!? That's outrageous! What the hell are small boys for?
leffehoegaarden 2 months ago 3
@leffehoegaarden Oh God, someone please stop me from cracking a joke about the Church. It's Christmas eve.
Oh, sweet temptation...
SchwarzeWitwe2 2 months ago
Yeah! It's dead language...But we have to fucking learn it of course! It's not dead!!!
And their akcent is so...Not latin! :/ But they sing beautiful....
Barbara666mwa 2 months ago
@Barbara666mwa - Nobody knows what a Latin accent sounds like, because the Roman empire ended about a millenium and a half ago. There's nothing wrong with using English intonation, given that the alternatives are a) using the intonation from a different non-Latin language or b) making something up.
PuissantAlgernon 2 months ago
@PuissantAlgernon Ok,thank you. And I agree with you! :)
Barbara666mwa 2 months ago
phoenixfeathered 2 months ago
Latin is not dead of people know it and understand it and even in some cases speak it
MrBallerGuy 2 months ago
@MrBallerGuy Would they be dead by any chance? If not, then it is likely then that they are "makey-uppey" Latin speakers, as they couldn't have learned it from one who uses it in everyday life as their first language. As we know, they are all dead. However, if they are mediums, and there is an afterlife, then there is a chance that they can speak to dead people. If so then your comment is valid and I need to buy more brandy.
brezairola 2 months ago
@MrBallerGuy true
DafniElissa 2 months ago
Epic.
mjakes20 2 months ago
Hello, is there a version with some percussion instruments? It would really make it more medieval in my opinion. A bodhran perhaps?
Ps. Enjoy the beautiful music and quit whining!
paddysniper82 2 months ago
I for one, loved it. I feel that you all did a terrific job. I attend a Traditional Latin Mass and our choir sang it at the end of Mass last Sunday.
Merry Oops, Happy Christmas
Dominus Vobiscum
HKVerfechter 2 months ago
WOW I love this song it's great!
HarriKM 2 months ago
Amazing :)
TheChine01ful 2 months ago
thios is a good peice, the music is good quality, the harmoneys are lovely and none of the words are 'harsh' which you sometimes get when people sing in latin, this song's words have a good flow
decepti2cons 2 months ago
Anuna has always been one of my favorite groups since some of your members (or the group entire? my history is shady) appeared in the Riverdance VHS 'lo these 18 years ago. You are one of the reasons I got into Celtic music, and I aspire to arrange music so elegantly.
cmbroderick 2 months ago
I love this version of Gaudete with a male soloist, and will be putting a link in to it from one of my Christmas blogs at The shakespeare blog. I'll also be linking to Steeleye Span with Maddie Prior's gorgeous voice:they did so much to bring this music to popular notice.
shakespearesbeagle 2 months ago
@shakespearesbeagle Thank you!
brezairola 2 months ago
Very nice version. I like this one and the Mediaeval Baebes version the most.
kashleybell 3 months ago
a horrible accent...
samuelxraz 3 months ago
@samuelxraz Well, pardonnez moi... which accent do you hate? The Irish one?
brezairola 2 months ago
@brezairola whether it is Irish or just English - i don't have any clue. but that's latin. and you pronounce latin in another way.
samuelxraz 2 months ago
Awesome! I wish I had the translation of this song, into English.
CatholicView 3 months ago
Cette version est très bonne vocalement ! Effectivement "l'accent" et la pronociation peuvent faire sourire, mais je pense que ça apporte un certain charme "gaawwe day tééé".
Le soliste prononce très bien !
Choristenimes 3 months ago
Not all diphthongs are evil. The trick is to do them uniformly, and this ensemble does that quite well. Bravi.
littlediva321 3 months ago
As today is Gaudete Sunday, of course this video's going to attract more attention than usual.
I posted a different Gaudete video link on my blog last year (not from Anuna), and one of the complaints I got was that it had too strong an English accent.
I found that amusing, and I wonder if the rolling r's and other distinctive pronunications of the lead singer in this video performance are what they were referring to.
In any case, it's still extremely beautiful. Vivat Jesus!
kb7iuj 3 months ago
This argument's a bit tedious. Latin is not an academic language for lawyers or scholars who fuss over hard c's and how to pronounce dipthongs. Still less is it the property of the people now inhabiting the region from whence it sprung.
Whether Anuna would agree or not, Latin belongs to any group of Catholic people, and having lived in the States, Korea, and Poland, I can say it's pronounced differently everywhere, and this is a sign of how alive it is. Only dead languages never change.
Jacobitess 3 months ago
@Jacobitess Not sure why you think we disagree with what you say. We agree with you - however it is a dead language. I hope this doesn't upset you, but death is inevitable.
brezairola 2 months ago
@Jacobitess It changes under only a couple circumstances, though... either under regional pronunciations which have existed for hundreds of years, such as french and germanic latin, or through butchering of the language itself, as in this example. There is no latin pronunciation which calls for such a diphthong on the [e] of "gaudete." That's just poor research. There are no longer any native speakers of latin... therefore, it is a dead language.
krossk424 2 months ago
@Jacobitess
Change of semantics is indicator of life of a certain language. I'm a Catholic with certain traditionalist views if Latin hadn't been dead it's words would change their meaning and that would't be very good for depositum fidei. Since it's dead language every word means exactly the same thing as it meant before almost 1800 years. Thank God for that.
I'm not implying that it should not be used. It should. I wan't the Tridentine Mass and Latin all over the world.
cunjoz 2 months ago
I love this arrangement and freshness of this song. I like soloist voice. It is very best version I ve found here on youtube. but I dont understand WHY professional musical ansemble doesnt care about pronunciation. Firstly I ve thought that they are singing in Celtic language! It is a pity. it decreases the value of their singing.:-(
lubicakotmanikova 3 months ago
@lubicakotmanikova Are you talking about Anuna? We aren't professional, and we are deeply sorry for disappointing you. Well, maybe not deeply, but slightly. Well, maybe not slightly but thanks for watching it anyway.
brezairola 3 months ago 18
truly awesome; needs the drums
Revfiskj 3 months ago
To be honest, this discussion on pronunciation shouldn't really focus on localized pronunciation of Latin, or any language for that matter. When singing English text, vowels are elongated more than they are in conversation to sound pleasant when sung, thus the same logic should be applied to Latin. Ergo, eliminating short vowels in Virgine (veer-gee-ney), and eliminating a dip-thong in Gaudete (gah-dey-teh). Spot on note-wise, but those who argue your pronunciation is silly have a point.
connorkwassa 3 months ago
@connorkwassa there is no argument. We just don't care what they think. We have tried, hard. Sadly, and after much thought, we decided that we needed to care or organise an outing for the group instead. So we decided to have a big picnic, and it was brilliant, although a bit nippy. So to sum up -
brezairola 3 months ago
@brezairola i am sorry to hear that the picnic was a bit nippy, but I'm more disappointed that you don't care about feedback. Feedback is necessary for all artists, even professional ones like yourself (I imagine this choir is professional), for growing artistically, and if you blatantly don't care what suggestions people offer for improvement, there will never be artistic growth, and that's really a sad thing whatever way you say it. I hope you reconsider accepting critique; nobody is perfect.
connorkwassa 3 months ago
@connorkwassa That is right. No one is perfect. We are not a professional ensemble. We chose to sing this piece this way, and we were informed when we did. We do care when someone has something to offer that we don't already know, but this is not one of those things.
brezairola 2 months ago
@connorkwassa Dipthongs are not necessarily evil in choral music, nor are short vowels, as long as the singers know how to pronounce them. This is not the same as eliminating the second part of the dipthong (which is usually done for, say, a high school concert choir). Gadete is not gaudete. The correct technique is to pick the more open vowel in the dipthong and hold it, combining the more closed one quickly in with the consonant - but you still have to get it in there.
falconkirtaran 3 months ago
Singing this at Christmas concert. So siked
mamaluigi222 3 months ago
I am in love with that song!
2uMee 3 months ago
beautiful, beautiful! the lyrics really come out in your version, i like that. and i'm an old latin student and an ex-linguist and the "gaudaytay" doesn't bother me one bit - steeleye span was a lot "worse" in that respect and their version is still the ruling one if you ask me :). no snobbery, just joy and energy.
mallenalla 3 months ago 2
@mallenalla Thank you! Joy and energy are really all it is about in the end.
brezairola 3 months ago
@CatholicKnight428 The pretty blonde one.
brezairola 3 months ago
Très bien vocalement ! C'est vrai que l'accent "britisch" est assez amusant dans cette interprétation, ça donne un certain charme aussi !
Pouce vert
Choristenimes 3 months ago
@Choristenimes Thank you. But we aren't British, and if we pronounce it badly in anyone's opinion it isn't because we are Irish either. Its just that we don't care enough.
brezairola 3 months ago
@brezairola you "don't care"? if you're performing a song i think you should care... why care about everything else other than the accents? i still think you're really good though, it's just that if you KNOW you're pronouncing it wrong, why not change it? -.-
annahpanna 3 months ago
@annahpanna Aha - good point. Its really that we don't care what anyone thinks about the way we pronounce it, sorry for not being clearer.
brezairola 3 months ago
@brezairola or caring.
brezairola 3 months ago
Oh, and it sounded REALLY great, well done!
clmarais 3 months ago
I've been reading through the comments... Hahaha! People are quite ridiculous :) And Michael, I think you enjoy the silly negative comments more than the positive ones! Makes me laugh.
clmarais 3 months ago
@clmarais The problem is that they are not very silly, just pompous in most cases. I am always amazed at how choral singers with limited experience can have such strong and intransigent views on dead languages or performance practice. The world of choral music is wide and wonderful, and the beauty of it is its capacity for organic development. We did this this way because the singers found the vowel [and I say one vowel] natural and easy to sing. Glad so many people agree with them...
brezairola 2 months ago
I sang this piece last week, and we are around 100 pupils in that choir. You guys are 16 people and you make it sound so perfect! Coming to sweden soon? If your coming , which date? :)
Jaggillarkex1 3 months ago
@Jaggillarkex1 We were just there. Goteborg and Stockholm. Will be back next year.
brezairola 3 months ago
come to Holland!!!
1zwitser 3 months ago
@1zwitser We are there in January
brezairola 3 months ago
@brezairola where in Holland?
1zwitser 3 months ago
@1zwitser YouTube won't allow me to put the website link here. Just look us up in Google and then look under LIVE.
brezairola 3 months ago
Why sing in a dead language anyway? It sounds good...but what's the point, trying to sound smart? Go such a potato.
vidiosdave 3 months ago
@vidiosdave "go such a potato?" haha your attempts at trolling really suck.
well, it's all about the heritage and the history, you see. Latin is really not dead. A lot of what we speak is derived from latin, as are many medical terms. It's a beautiful language to sing in and is a major part of the Catholic religion. Why sing in English.
so i will tell you to go "such" a potato. have a nice day :D
nerdface92 3 months ago
@vidiosdave
First: Not everyone prefers Arabaic languages.
Second: The carol was composed around 16th century.
So unless you re a 500 years old highlander, you might understand now...
ZickZak 3 months ago
Went and listened to quite a few versions, keep coming back to this one. Feels the most festive, as well as the most powerful. You guys really take the cake when I listen to you sing, hopefully I can track down a live performance sometime in the future.
tacticalplanner 3 months ago 2
ahahah it's so funny to hear the english pronunciacion of latin
LedLumba93 3 months ago 16
@LedLumba93 Ha ha - you are so right. Thank goodness Irish people don't pronounce it the same way
brezairola 3 months ago 9
@brezairola yes, they are not so bad.. but I've heard the steeleye span's version of this song and I cant stop laughing.. I study latin (I'm italian) and the real sound is completely different
LedLumba93 3 months ago
@LedLumba93 here is something for you to take back to your Latin class. Latin originated in Italy. The Romans invaded Europe. English is spoken dialectally all over the world today, so it is reasonable to assume the same about Latin when it was a living language. So the "real" sound is the accepted establishment way of pronouncing things from a localised perspective. There are no real "experts", just people with opinions. Open your mind...
brezairola 3 months ago
@brezairola I'm English and the choir that I'm in makes extremely sure that we pronounce Latin correctly.
guitarhero1777 3 months ago
@guitarhero1777 ...as spoken where? Italy? Germany? Ireland? England? Gaul? Tescos? Do you pronounce Latin as it was spoken in Britain two thousand years ago? Are you trying to distance yourself from Steeleye Span who carried an unknown and obscure piece to the top of the UK charts? The memory of that performance with that pronunciation resulted directly in this recording. Try not to be pompous - be proud of their achievement. You don't have a valid high-horse to be sitting on.
brezairola 3 months ago
@brezairola You're replies are awesome, really make me laugh
MrTaurus511 2 months ago
@MrTaurus511 We aim to displease...
brezairola 2 months ago
Great stuff! Nicely balanced sound, crisp diction, and lovely warm joyous tone. Love it!
tockenhamtenor 3 months ago
GAUDEITEI????????????
etechepare 3 months ago 2
@etechepare Its actually GAUDETE. I'm sorry you can't spell Latin good like we do, and can suggest some books that might help, or possibly not. I would also point out that you only need one question mark at the end of a sentence. Technically your remark is just a badly spelled word, which means "Rejoice" or similar, not a question. I can't think why you have it placed as a badly spelled question unless you are questioning the meaning of the word - "Rejoice?" or "Reejoice". etc.
brezairola 3 months ago
@brezairola And I can't believe someone like you actually thinks you look more intelligent for going off on someone and wasting time like you do trying to look intelligent??????????????? I have news for you, no one gives a rats about your snuffy comments. Im tired of know-it-all's. Your snobbishness is a BIGGER offense than someone who spells a word wrong or puts too many question marks. Get a life.
DeVipressZephoria 3 months ago
@DeVipressZephoria You are, of course, correct. I am a snob and I am trying to look intelligent. I have no life at all but the computer and my twelve cats called Fifi. Thank you for the news about this. I am humbled. Apologies for any offence caused, but its actually "I'm" and "rat's". "Going off" isn't even slang, but I do like it. I'm "going off" now to make some gruel for Fifi six. You young people are just so brilliant.
brezairola 3 months ago
@brezairola spell it "well". i'm sorry you don't have proper grammar. perhaps i could suggest some books that may help.
don't be mean. i think she was commenting on the way the way it was pronounced. usually the e is an "eh" and not two syllables like "eh-ee". i think that's what she meant. no harm done. it's still beautiful though. :)
nerdface92 3 months ago
@nerdface92 Alas, so few have grammar like what I have got...
brezairola 3 months ago
ahahahahhahahahahahahahah
Nylla37 3 months ago
So wonderful. Any chance of you guys coming to Boston anytime soon?
VulcanTrekkie45 3 months ago
@VulcanTrekkie45 they'll be in the USA around 2013 D':
supportxourxtroopz 3 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
@VulcanTrekkie45 No, sadly... China twice next year, plus Germany and Sweden I think - Oh, and Holland and we are 25!
brezairola 3 months ago
@VulcanTrekkie45 No - sorry...
brezairola 3 months ago
I love this guy's ears! I wonder if he got them clamped like that on purpose? >w<
TheYellowQilin 4 months ago
are man nr 1 from the right brother with man nr 3 from the right? They look like twins to me...
RexDogma 4 months ago
@RexDogma They are twins, John and Michael McGlynn. If I'm not mistaken, John's the one on the far right, and Michael is the other one.
ImaginaryNightshade 4 months ago
There's another arrangement of this song that I can't seem to find on youtube. But this group of singers would do so wonderfully on it. It's more complex than this version, for sure. But this one is still quite lovely.
prettyxKittyx 4 months ago
Half Scottish half Irish!! Scotch-Irish people RULE!!!
noobsaibot755 4 months ago
@noobsaibot755 Where? Europe owns Ireland, and Scotland is part of the UK. Which bits of you are what?
brezairola 3 months ago
@noobsaibot755 come down chauvinist.
Theodisk 3 months ago
@midwestechnine I'm pretty sure you are wrong, but what would I know.
brezairola 4 months ago
@CatholicKnight428 Yes. This channel is the Anuna YouTube Channel.
brezairola 4 months ago
Don't listen to them i think it was wonderfully done much love to the lead vocals :) it was beautiful don't let anyone tell you otherwise :)
thecook220 4 months ago
@thecook220 It isn't beautiful by any means, but it has less pole-inserted-in-nether-region that 99% of the versions that you can see here on YouTube. Its amazing how people dismiss the performance and the energy simply because they know more about a dead language, possibly, than Anuna do. The slew of pronunciation comments here clearly show how much import some choral people place in the mechanics rather than the actual effect of the performance on the audience. Let them blab away. We love it!
brezairola 4 months ago
Only 3 dislikes... come on guys! Lets have more.
brezairola 4 months ago
You are an excellent group but your pronunciation is perfectly unbearable and your reasoning defending your pronunciation is ridiculous and logically lazy. Anyways, you sound great but the pronunciation ruined it for me.
mikeplaysguitar22 4 months ago
@mikeplaysguitar22 but no one is defending it. It is terrible - we just don't care.
brezairola 4 months ago 2
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Ceyler1000 4 months ago
this is great but the accents... O.O
annahpanna 5 months ago
@annahpanna ...are Irish? That was the aim I think.
brezairola 4 months ago
This is a really fantastic arrangement. Thanks for sharing on youtube.
PatLPauloski 5 months ago
In my school
noobsaibot755 5 months ago
I have the solo :)
noobsaibot755 5 months ago
Brilliant! Bravo!
livinginthepast3 5 months ago
They all look a bit smug to me.
kettering1949 5 months ago 3
@kettering1949 Thats brilliant - thank you. We are very smug, and we were trying to get that over on the video.
brezairola 5 months ago 11
I'm singing this in hour in my school :)!
jessiwillz1 5 months ago
They may come to Brazil!
Loiginer 5 months ago
CHECK OUT PRES CHOIR SINGING GAUDETE SEE WHAT YA THINK..:)
nicool1987 5 months ago
I Love Pop en trace but this is an awswome song
justus0809 5 months ago