Cheney profits from raping american women

[bytak01]

b4 u can comment on terrorist u have to understand idiots. the reason we were attacked is so that bush could have his war! it's the american way! a few had to b sacraficed so that bush could go after saddam.never gave a fuck bout al quida, jihad none of that shit. he only wanted sadam. face it the way america has fucked the brown minorities, (they give vietnamese, and koreans, as well as money to start business when they come over here. you want to see a terrorist, look @ the kkk & skin heads.

[thestmal]

im going with yes and no yes in the fact that kkk and black withe i dont care if u in a gang then u SHOULD be mark as a terrorist and that would fix a lot of things!!!

[bigbandit3050]

this guy's acting like they ate the last cheesburger hes mad ass fuck. fat bitch.

[ubernoobert]

men are having their lives risked driving trucks to profit halliburton to hallibuton kbr and titan and all these other companies have their employers feed of the poor and rip us off the taxpayers and to do what

[jean4you]

fuck moslems there to blame! and 911, july 7th london are reminders how evil they are!

[ubernoobert]

they are doing that for a reason we attacked them first so if you think the "terrorists" are the only enemy you are blind and ignant. Besides not all moslems are radicals.(directed to jean)Lol you take the word of Bush the worst president in history "were fighting evil" the true bad guys are in both sides not those who fight but those who profit out of war

[santino7777]

Nothing will get done.

WAR CRIMES TRAILS, executions! Cheney, Bush administration are TRAITORS, murderers, rapists! DO SOMETHING AMERICANS, DO SOME FUCKING THING, DO SOMETHING..........US govt RAPING American women, Iraqi women, children getting killed....WHAT THE FUCK!!!???

[LindseyDD]

I hope this story doesn't die. She and others just like her deserve so much more then that.

[groundhog2008]

KBR is not the responsibility of the US government. As long as Cheney is VP, nothing will be done. I am a Christian American, and we dont owe anything to this girl that was raped. So what difference does this make. Rape happens here in America all the time. To me, this is a non issue.

[Majenius]

I imagine spewing that garbage makes you feel tough. What you are, is pathetic. You represent everything wrong with this country and so called christians. Murder one innocent, for generations to hate you. So long as scum like groundhog2008 claim to be "Christian American" expect retaliation. And all the Kings men can not protect you.

[ballsauce666]

yeah, you are the same Xtian assholes that suck israeli nazi cock on a daily basis. you allow Zionsit shitbags to hijack our country and to wage decades of TERROR on natives of Palestine so shitsuckers like you can go there and claim to call it home.

I can't wait til its open season on idiots like you and the zionist nazis in israel and America.

fuck you moron.

[jean4you]

yes fuck them, fuck moslems who are responsibel for 911, and deal with iran before they attack us, fuking gentiles

[Cordero787]

Bush/Cheney fixed 911...It was an inside job and everyone around the world but retarts like you want to face it! Youwant to invade a country? How about Saudi Arabia then?! The hijackers were fucking Saudis used by the Bush administration for the purpose of triggering a war for profit!

[AmericanPolitix]

And the fact that KBR "lost" her rape kit, tells me they are fucking GUILITY!!! And what they did is obstructing justice for Jamie Leigh and they ALL need to be prosecuted and IMPRISONED!!!! I told those NeoCons that Bush and Cheney are fucking CRIMINALS!!! And they're trying to convert the Middle East? To what? To the Bush/Cheney corruption bullshit regime? The fucking NERVE!!!!

[AmericanPolitix]

If her story is true, and I have no reason to doubt her, I hope those bastards are prosecuted and locked up for LIFE! And I hope they find all the sex they want in PRISON! And KBR needs to be CLOSED down!!! And Jamie Leigh needs to be compensated for all her suffering: $10BILLION fucking American (worth little) dollars!!!! She needs billions since under the Bush/Cheney regime, our dollars are virtually worthless!

[richardshort2001]

Interesting, ABC is now saying that KBR has acknowledged having recieved the rape kit.

I guess KBR gave it to the State Department and somewhere in between the two parts of it disappeared.

[schultzee4748]

Oh yea, the rape kit just disappeared. Just like the WMDs, and the CIA tapes destroyed even though they were told not to destroy them. We have been taken over by corporations. Call it fascism or corporatism...its the same thing.

[richardshort2001]

Check out the KBR website

kbr (dot) com (slash)industies (slash) government_sources (slash) security_solutions (dot) aspx

[richardshort2001]

On there it says:

"Beyond assessments, design and construction, KBR provides or augments physical security support, operations and maintenance services. Our clients include military and civilian agencies, naval port operations and commercial installations around the world. We operate a diverse range of facilities from petrochemical plants to evacuation sites"

Now how do you figure they do that without weapons?

[richardshort2001]

Here is another one I found at market watch dot com. KBR held the previous ICE contract from 2000 through 2005. The contract, which is effective immediately, provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to expand existing ICE Detention and Removal Operations Program facilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs, KBR said.

Detention facilities without weapons???

Strange

[richardshort2001]

By the way I found all this by googling KBR security. Try it. Lots of Fun.

Should I go on or do you get the point?

[richardshort2001]

Granted I have not found anything that specifically says KBR has weapons in Iraq, but I find it highly unlikely that they didn't bring a minimal security force at least to a major warzone.

[richardshort2001]

Though I did find a Security Coordinator job posting for Iraq on Monster dot com. While the coordinator himself is unarmed it is reccomended he has law enforcement and corrections experiance. That suggests he would be in charge of such people. Suggesting that KBR has some sort of (probably temporary) detention system. Hard to do that without weapons.

[schultzee4748]

KB and R posted armed guards at her captivity container. ARMED Guards. Some of them obviously have guns. And it does seem right that in a warzone, they would be allowed to have guns.

[832865758]

I refuse to go round and round with you on the KBR and weapons like I have ALREADY done with Richardshorts2001.  20/20 said there was armed guards, NO WHERE ELSE does it state this. KBR is NOT allowed to carry a weapon in Iraq. Only the private sec. companies and Military.

[schultzee4748]

Its a straw argument. The problem is rape by KBR employees and murder of civilians by Blackwater. It does not matter if they have guns or not, they can rape without them. And for women, anyway, that is a terrible CRIME.

AND ALL OF THESE GOONS SHOULD HAVE A COURT TRIAL, AND THE BLACKWATER MURDERS SHOULD TOO.

ACCOUNTABILITY. PERIOD.

[832865758]

as stated by schultzee4748 "AND ALL OF THESE GOONS SHOULD HAVE A COURT TRIAL, AND THE BLACKWATER MURDERS SHOULD TOO.

ACCOUNTABILITY. PERIOD."

Blackwater did have a trial... IN IRAQ!

[schultzee4748]

Why are you against justice for this young woman? You keep changing the subject because you are protecting these people. Have you heard the news about the Blackwater (LOL) fake trial in Iraq. Gee if you commit murder you might get fired. And the alledged rapists are no longer working for KBR so why did not KBR have them arrested? Gee they were fired. Big punishement. In the USA they would have a trial.

[832865758]

I HAVE NOT CHANGED THE SUBJECT,I SIMPLY FOLLOW UR SUBJECTS AND COMMENT!

Why are you against justice for this young woman? You keep changing the subject because you are protecting these people. Have you heard the news about the Blackwater (LOL) fake trial in Iraq. Gee if you commit murder you might get fired. And the alledged rapists are no longer working for KBR so why did not KBR have them arrested? Gee they were fired. Big punishement. In the USA they would have a trial.

[832865758]

Google the Uniform code of Military Justice and read number 12 and 12b under "persons subject to this chapter" and tell me who ANYONE working on a Military BASE in Foreign lands falls under.

[832865758]

and FYI it is KBR not KB and R? The official company name is not Kellog, Brown and Root anymore.... ONLY KBR. I was in that very same war zone for 2 years and I did not have a weapon... Nor did anyone else who worked with KBR, sorry if that does not seem right to you. Since I am not "trained to kill" atleast I know I am not neanderthal trash!

[schultzee4748]

You may not be neanderthral trash but anyone who rapes is a neanderthal. More than one rape according to Rep.Poe! ACCOUNTABILITY. All of these PIGS who raped should go to trial! Private pigs above the law? We run a stop sign and pay for it.

[832865758]

For 1, I am a woman. I do NOT CONDONE RAPE.OF COURSE RAPIST ARE TRASH.but out of 50,000 KBR in Iraq, approx 4 were involved in this.THERE IS MORE RAPES on a daily basis in your HOME COUNTRY than on military bases in Iraq in a YEAR!

[schultzee4748]

Why do you keep changing the subject? We said that the GOONS WHO RAPED ARE TRASH. You keep changing it because you do not want to deal with the fact that SOME RAPIST TRASH ARE IN THE EMPLOY OF KBR. WHAT ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY?

AND THE RIGHT TO A TRIAL? THAT IS THE TOPIC.

[832865758]

as quoted by schultzee4748 "Why do you keep changing the subject?"

When have I changed the subject?Find 1 post.When you address something, I input my opinion.If u say the topic is rapist employ by KBR then Y did u bring up BLACKWATER?

[832865758]

you are right, the PIGS who raped should go to trial, SO WHY DOES KBR as a company need to go to trial?No one is stopping her from filing a lawsuit w/ the men who raped!If someone N your company raped you, would you sue your innocent boss?

[schultzee4748]

I worked for a company that allowed sexual harassment, not rape, and they went to trial, and they really fixed the lousy management, and guess what???? They now have training and just one very minor slip and the pig is out.

KBR is responsible. Management is responsible just like my company.

[832865758]

"By the way I found all this by googling KBR security. Try it. Lots of Fun.

Should I go on or do you get the point?"

How about instead you go on and read the "book" I wrote to you as my reply.... get the point?

[832865758]

I forgot to comment on this one.... establishing detention facilities means they won the contract to BUILD them. Meaning Carpenters and Construction teams working on this project. They are NOT guarding immigrants! That is border patrol and state officials!

so I guess if you call building a facility strange, then SO BE IT! ITS STRANGE!!

Enjoy reading my hour long message to you I sent regarding your other "put downs" on me!! :)

[832865758]

Gee, I have no clue how they do that? UMMM do all petrochemical plants have armed KBR employees? How about evacuation sites?

I didn't realize those kind of sites REQUIRED MACHINE GUNS! SILLY ME!

[schultzee4748]

Have you been in N.O? My freind knows a man who was a felon, and they hired him for security and he has a machine gun. They were patrolling the streets in N.O. not the refinaries and chem plants. I made an error with the name and that is it. You sound like an apologist for KB and R and Blackwater. This is still America and you have free speech.

[832865758]

apologist, NO. Do I have KBR pride because I worked 4 them?maybe, but not likely. I am a REALIST. OF COURSE THEY HIRED BLACKWATER IN N.O. that was in the newspapers right after the hurricane,when all was chaos.The refinery&plant comment above was made to someone else yesterday abuot a diff matter, not N.O.!

[richardshort2001]

On a side note, YouTube needs better organization on comment boards so one can easily determine who another is replying to.

This is confusing.

[richardshort2001]

ok ok, We have both been rude, and there is no way I am going to read all of that (sorry). :D I am willing to take the blame for the rudeness, but I did skim the reply and it caused me to look deeper.

[richardshort2001]

While some her story is a bit fishy two things seem undeniably true:

1 A rape kit was done on her and was turned over to KBR security (the KBR HR officer in charge of this case, according to KBR itself, has come forward saying she witnessed this exchange). Somewhere inbetween KBR and the State Department parts of said rape kit turned up missing.

[richardshort2001]

2. It has taken 2 years, a major news story and a literal act of Congress to INITIATE a serious RAPE investigation.

One must admit this smells of a cover-up, or that's my opinion.

[richardshort2001]

Also, no VP Cheney isn't directy profiting from raping American women, but "Cheney recieves money from a blind trust fund including a company he formerly ran and gave a no-bid government contract to which now appears as if they are likely involved in the cover up of the rape of a particular American woman" didn't seem like a catchy title. ;)

[832865758]

No, not a catchy one.I agree.But I also know that NO MATTER who is pres. or VP,some of america will love them,some despise & blame everything on them,and some be completely indifferent.This sadly is a never ending cycle of what we call life.I myself have learned 2 just roll with the flow as long as I am alive and healthy.Because unfortunately it is a battle that will not be won in my lifetime.hating someone because of a political stance will take too much of that life.

[832865758]

I have read on her personal blog that the state department does have the Kit now. Thats why I failed to see the argument here. What is missing according to HER is the pictures and testimony of the military medic. Rather they existed or not will hopefully come out sooner or later.Funny the military has no memory of her though... with a busted implant and all?That was my reason 2 be weary.

[schultzee4748]

Richard, the story is that a rape was committed by KB&R in Iraq. All this other stuff being brought up is to get away from A RAPE WAS COMMITTED AND NO ONE HAS FACED JUSTICE. PERIOD. ANYONE SKIRTING THIS IS ATTEMPTING TO GET AWAY FROM DEALING WITH THIS CRIME. I AM NOT GOING TO DEAL WITH THE APOLOGIST ANYMOE. THE OTHER STUFF IS IRRELEVANT.

[richardshort2001]

schultzee, dont worry, the investigation starts today. We will have to see what happens. Till then there isn't much to be said.

[schultzee4748]

Good. Guilt or innocence can be established and this corporation will be forced to have more supervision and training and also screen its employees better. We had sexual harassment and a trial really changed my company. Everyone had 3 weeks or training prior to employment. It worked.

[832865758]

and since I am still here sweetheart,I will add one more. I had training prior to Iraq and a total of 5 times in 20 months IN Iraq concerning sexual harassment.yes of course Iam ALWAYS changing the subject.U WIN!YEAH!The gun issue was a conv.W/Richard honey.But,U brought it up in N.O.NOT ME!

[schultzee4748]

Hey Richard, I am out of here. It is a waste of time to communicate with this person who wants to put the real issue of employees who rape aside and made people argue about other issues, like whether or not KBR has guns. A tactic designed to divert attention from facts. Poe said thie was only one case of many. So....hope some resolution ..good by.

[832865758]

and Richard, one last thing for you..and yes, this is unrelated to Rape@hand, but related to KBR,when they were in Bosnia in the mid 90's-recent times, were they this criticized?Or is this a new thing because of the Iraq war and Cheney?I was in High School during the bosnian war and did not pay atten.?

[832865758]

and one last thing for schultzee before I delete this URL from my memory:U have said everyone deserves a TRIAL,YET,without a trial, U have JUDGED a RAPE was commited!Condeming some1 w/out a trial?"A RAPE WAS COMMITTED"is UR quote.How hypocritical of U,shame shame.buh bye!

[schultzee4748]

DUH...Try hard to change the subject again. I said about 3 times WE NEED A TRIAL..DUH..THAT MEANS EVERYONE HAS THEIR DAY IN COURT AND INNOCENCE OF GUILT IS JUDGED. YOU ARE ONCE AGAIN CREATING A STRAW ARGUMENT...SUPPORT YOUR EMPLOYER...WHY NOT SUPPORT A TRIAL TO DETERMINE GUILT OR INNOCENCE. GOOD BY, APOLOGIST.

[832865758]

Thank you, and I as well am sorry.I just found it strange you kept telling me my research was poor when nothing I said NEEDED to be researched.I was basing my comments off of "life experience"things I have seen,heard,&done PHYSICALLY, not heresay.Thanks 4 atleast skimming it even though I spent some major time trying to give u the background of KBR sec. :)

[832865758]

P.s. I worked in Iraq 4 over 2 yrs. I am female. I am not insensitive to rape. It is horrible. But to say, "if you rape an employee nothing will happen to you"??? I had a man send me emails while I was there that I found disturbing and he was fired for failing to stop sending them. EMAILS! so you r fired for emails, but not rape? PS, you sound drunk in this post.

[richardshort2001]

One problem, Congressman Poe, who her father called, has acknowleged that he called the embassy to rescue her and is fighting for her to recieve justice.

[richardshort2001]

Even if she was lying, doesn't she deserve her day in court (at least civil, like anyone else gets regardless of how trivial their claims are)? Halliburton is trying to stop even the civil proceedings.

Way to support rapists. Do some research in the future.

Maybe rape is more embarrasing than emails, thus more of a reason to cover it up.

[richardshort2001]

Oh and...

PS, Irrelevant ad hom to attempt to disguise how ill researched and pathetic my argument is

[richardshort2001]

I guess to really do everything as well as you though I should have made an annonymous channel with no content, due to being ashamed of what I am supporting.

[832865758]

anonymous channel with no content? I am not a you tube junkie. I didnt realize this was "my space" were I need pictures. I live in Houston, I am not political, I am female, I have a child, I was born in the 70's, my parents are still together, I am divorced. N E thing else you need to know?

[832865758]

I assume you are referring to the drunk statement. It was said because of my observation. Just like you feel my research and argument is ill and pathetic (of course I feel the same way about yours). Your opinion, my opinion.

[832865758]

Do some research in the future? Honey, I did my research by GOING THERE and working for the company. Your research is based on political bull crap. To me it appears you could care less about the rape. Of course she deserves her day in court. Why not. I never said this. But her day in court should be focused on the RAPIST not her employer at the time. A rape is a rape is a rape.... doesn't matter where in the world it is.

[schultzee4748]

Its insane that we have to ASK FOR HER TO HAVE A DAY IN COURT! We are accountable, the military is accountable, but these private goons are not! BEGGING FOR A TRIAL.OMG. LIE? A trial gets at the truth. This is unbelievable.

[832865758]

Why do you say that is a problem? Good for her if her daddy called a congressman to get her out when all she had to do was walk into human resource and demobilize from the project. And the question still remains on WHOM the armed guards were that she talks about when KBR does not have weapons.

[laleeloolelo]

"Good for her if her daddy called a congressman to get her out when all she had to do was walk into human resource and demobilize from the project."

She couldn't, she was locked in the container box at the time.

[832865758]

what does the company she worked for have to do with her going after her rapist? If she accepted a drink from them, she knows at least some of their names. If the Military did a rape kit, where is the soldier who did this? Y have they not come forward? Put under guard? KBR does not have armed employees, so was this a conspiracy by EVERYONE but her? including the embassy who "rescued her from her employers"

[laleeloolelo]

Hey is your doubt comes from skepticism or a misguided sense of patriotism?

[klonedklein]

HB is guilty of unlimited crimes against humanity.. lets see who actually gets punished.

We, americans, have no idea of the coverups initiated in the past and by bushyboys henchmen. It IS time we dragged their asses in the streets... it is the only way. The time is coming and the tide is turning.

[NotYourEnemy]

AMERICANS ARE RAPISTS ha? SUPPRESING WOMEN? HAAA??? what you wanna hear everyone in here? LOL that is not my way, I don't generalize.

[richardshort2001]

No one in here is generalizing Americans or asking you to.

What is your problem?

[NotYourEnemy]

no nothing I jsut got used to everyone generalizing muslims so I got off some frustration, I really feel sorry for that woman.

[schultzee4748]

I meant Kellog, Brown and Root. Halliburton said that this subsidiary is responsible. These are the same ones who murdered all those civilians.

I am as outraged and soul sick as you are about this. This woman was an army wife! A real soldier is her husband. She was in Iraq so she could be near her husband.

[richardshort2001]

I didn't know about her being an army wife. That somehow makes this even worse.

What a bunch of scum.

[schultzee4748]

It was said on one news report. I don't know if they made a mistake or it was true. It enraged my husband and me. Its just too much.

[832865758]

Schultzee4748---

Kellogg, Brown and Root(KBR) IS NOT the "same ones" who murdered all those civilians! If you are referring to the security contractors who killed civilians in Iraq recently, you are most likely referring to Blackwater. There is another girl on the 20/20 show who was a military wife(she was not raped).... This Jamie women was not married at the time, though she is now.

[schultzee4748]

Ok, when the news said she was an army wife, they did not specify when she married. Its horrible regardless. This same filth are on the streets of N.O.alledgly guarding. lol I imagine lots of poor Black women has had to deal with this neanderthal trash. When you hire trained murderers, what do you expect. Gentlemen?

[832865758]

referring to Black water again? Since KBR is not on the streets of N.O.? Black water and KBR are not related in ANY way shape or form. Blackwater has NOTHING to do with Jamie being raped in Iraq.But referring to a trained killer and being trash, are you saying the military is trash? The local Police Department? The FBI? Rape is what yall are all upset about. Not neanderthals in N.O. or BlackWater killing Iraqi's. Rape! KBR! Jamie Leigh Jones! That is what this video is supposed to be about.

[schultzee4748]

I was informed by a Tulane professor that KB&R were also in N.O.and its not being talked about on the news. I am concerned about KBandR and the rape, AND BLACKWATER and tne killings about civilians. Private contracters are not being held accountable.Period. Do you care about accountability of the Private Sector?

[832865758]

Did you know that KBR deals w/ construction, engineering,Logistics,and more? A lot of companies went to help rebuild N.O., so what if KBR was 1 of them? But no 1 will tell u KBR was put on the streets of N.O. with weapons! Maybe a hammer and nails, but no gun, sorry to dissapoint you.

[Majenius]

A trained killer in the sense of duty as a soldier is not the same as being a murderer. Mercenaries terrorize because they love to. A soldier depends on their chain of command to ensure their orders are just and they are mentally and physically prepared. A leader must also enforce a zero tolerance atmosphere for unexceptable behavior. In this regard our soldiers have been done a terrible injustice by their top (supposed) leadership. Sorry I got off topic but I had to get it down.

[schultzee4748]

REP POE BELIEVES KB & R ARE LEGALLY ACCOUNTABLE IN THE USA.Stop definding your company. And I don't want to waste anymore time on a company apologist who only cares about hiding the sordid crimes committed by their employer in Iraq. Good by.

[832865758]

You really just did not get it?Instead of listening to anything I said,u stuck 2 your 1track mind, & frankly, that is fine.U are rightfully entitled to your own opinion.But let me state ONE MORE TIME.I am not defending ANY COMPANY OR RAPIST.I am simply answering your questions and statements.Sorry u didnt like my input

[schultzee4748]

Really? Then why do you quit changing the topic. You are using a typical right wing tactic. YOU ARE DEFENDING YOUR COMPANY. And have done so at every chance. My corporation was responsible for creating an atmosphere where harassment was possible and KB&R are also. So just deal with it. You worked for them.."

[832865758]

schultzee, you have yet to give me ONE EXAMPLE of when I changed the subject.But, I can give you several of when you did.referring to blackwater was changing the subject.referring to civilian iraqi's murdered was changing the subject,referring to N.O. was changing the subject,referring to "poor black women in N.O." was changing the subject.Come on now, when did I change the subject?Or was I simply replying 2 UR comments?

[832865758]

and, defending my company?This is where U R confused.I was trying 2 educate u.EXAMPLE,KBR is the company name NOT KB&R!!That is who U want prosecuted and held account.YET,U DONT KNOW THEIR NAME Or know N E thing they do!according 2 u they R walking the streets of N.O. with machine guns!

[schultzee4748]

Bush made it possible for them not to be under ANY JURISDICTION....did it when Brenner was there.

When are Bush's supporters are going to realize that Bush is a crimimal for allowing these horrible things to happen. Torture, Rape, murder......

Its time we take to the streets and PEACEFULLY

PROTEST.

Its too much.

[JadedIllusions27]

It is too much. However no matter how much I would love Peacefully protesting would work...I do not think it will. It is too much and I am tired of all this and is there anything we can do to change the way this country is going? I don't know.

[schultzee4748]

BTW...I don't really know if the report on one news station about her being an army wife is correct. But you are correct, if she is an army wife, it is much much worse, because out real soldiers are dieing for pennies and their families are sufferring.....And they are held accountable unlike KB and R.

[schultzee4748]

Our only options are peacefully protest in mass, write letters to news papers and Congress, vote, work on campaigns, join and donate to PACs that support change.

[JadedIllusions27]

You are right about that even though I think we need change badly violence is not the way. It would be no better than Bush or Cheney would do. I just feel too many Americans are comfortably sheltered as to the real reality of this world some time. I being American myself too. As long as our little world is comfy and we have what we want...too many people just don't care it seems like. It's sad.

[schultzee4748]

They are lulled into oblivion by the corporatist media. Notice how more time is spent on Paris than the end of Habeas Corpus or the Comi Pass O(can't spell it) act, or the millions stolen in Iraq. Complicity by the corporatist media to create a mental drug is the problem inho. The churches are using the Rel. Rt. to further their power too.

[AttritionofFaithful]

Fucking disgusting

What a disgrace.

[schultzee4748]

BTW....your video expreses it perfectly. I am so sick in my heart at what they are doing in our NAMES with our tax dollars. K and B has murdered innocents, raped women, stolen tax dollars? When will it be enough. When will we have the balls to at least protest peacefully. The 60s crowd makes us look like wimps.

[AttritionofFaithful]

K and B>???? sorry if I don't understand..