Axel in OG2 wasn´t the true Axel, indeed. BUT he had his figthing spirit! HOT BLOOD! CODE: KIRIN!DEEEEEEEEEYAAAAAAH! -Jumps and ripe apart an Alteisen-
Doesn't the Soulgain run on Axel's soul? That would make it the most eco-friendly unit in the series. I wonder what kind of highway mileage it gets........
Yeah, it was kind of a weird surprise playing through OG2 and seeing Axel go boom after taking his lumps. I guess he really WAS prepared to die for his ideals in that game.
You know, whatever the hell those ideals were. >_>
I KNOW that is in your side in OGG BUT I was saying that I wanted in my side in Super Robot Wars OG2,I know that it haves a more sadistic personality but is still the most cool character along with Kyosuke.
In my opinion Kyosuke and Axel are the best pilots in OG saga.
First hearing the snare of the drums totally changed my aspect of video game music. This is the first time i heard Dark Knight. After that i wanted him so badly to be on your side.
*Crossing Fingers* please let them make a plastic model figure out of Soul Gain please let them make a plastic model figure out of Soul Gain please let them make a plastic model figure out of Soul Gain i don't care if its 1/144 or 1/60 i just want it. That way i can finally depict the battle with Kyosuke vs Axel.
maybe because thats its most commonly used power? duuuuuuuuuuh
As for the R-1, there is no comparison, the SRX would just need a lucky hit or two.(id say 20% chance or less)
All three of those mega bosses have warp feild, so HP isent the concern here, plus you get waaaaay more powerfull units to battle them with, such at Kouta/Fighter Roa, and Folka. Your moving into a totaly different time zone zijo, where the guarlions first apearance seemed hard,you start bragging with Astranagant power.
Canon wise, the Zweizergain is far stronger than the Soulgain. In actual combat The Zweizergain has higher base attack power, higher armor, more HP, more EN, and double image. The only thing the Soulgain has on the Zweizergain is the 30% HP regen vs. 10%. If you're fighting both mechs with the SP Regen ability, neither one is very hard, but Zweizergain certainly takes longer to kill. In game, if the 2 Gains fought, neither one would die because they could never deal more than the Hp regen.
There is really no way to know which of the two is a better pilot. I'll have to check who's stats are higher the next time I play OGS, but I'd bet on Vindel's being higher since you fight him later. Really, they're probably about equal in terms of piloting ability storyline wise.
Look, Axel would be stronger regardless (it was only one level away) The more levels you go through the stronger the enemy, Axel too becomes stronger every time you fight him!
You need to consider that its a game and not real enough to predict that kind of outcome. Just like your previous comment.
Vindel is a commander, Axel is a front line fighter. The answer of skill is extremly obvious.
Vindel is a commander, but that in no way affirms that he is an inferior pilot to Axel. Elzam, Kai, Ingram, and Zengar are all ranking officers and commanders, and are among the best pilots in the OG-verse. Vindel likely achieved his rank of Colonel by being a good pilot, as well as a good leader. I'm not saying he's better than Axel, but Axel being a front line soldier doesn't necessarily make him a better pilot than Vindel.
Dude, relax. We're going to have to agree to disagree. Honestly, Vindel is more of a "Char Aznable" type character (another leader and amazing pilot), not a low-life. He has a belief of where the world should direct itself, and will use any means necessary to accomplish that, not for himself, but for what he believes will benefit the earth. Nothing I have said is "nonsense", what you're throwing at me is simply your opinion - "Axel looks, fights, and IS better than Vindel."
oh look who thinks he can take the high road out of this one.
Despite all your opinoins and mine, this arguement servs as my entertainment.
I already know im right, because i usualy am, spesificly with SRWOG talk.
Vidnel is indeed a strong pilot, and a goof tactison. I just realy dont like his way of doing things. And you should understand that his beleifs are purly insane. Everytime I encountered him in mah game the first thing that went through my head was "I'm killin that arrogant SOB"
I was actually hoping you would find the answer to this yourself, but you didn't. The truth is, yes, Axel is a slightly better pilot than Vindel. In OGS, when they both deploy on mission 26, the only stat of Vindel's that is higher than Axel's is hit, but is within 10 points on all other stats. My point is, rather than finding the facts, you just spouted your opinions, with no fact to back them up. I know all you're going say Is I was wrong, but I'll admit I was, but I found the facts myself
Guys can you stop this! I can understand that you want to see who's right but relax, it's just game characters. And also don't use in-games stats as evidences. The best way is to ask the guy who designed them but that's not likely so go with the canon story.
For the sp regen makes it easy thing, CHECK YOUR FAQS BUDDY, sp regen gives only 10 sp per round, and to actually hit and survive zwei or soul you need to use 20 sp per turn at least,And theres the problem that the hp regen makes it very hard to deal decent damage. (for arguments sake say each had 100 hp and you dealt 31 to soul and zwei respectively, soul would heal all but 1 point, but zwei would only heal 10 damage, however unless you use 20 sp per turn youll hardly ever hit the zwei or soul.
I was being literal about the GAMEPLAY, I was Theoretical about the Zwei vs soul fight.
But just think about what you said about sp regen. How do you plan to hit soulgain or zwei with an attack and SURVIVE afterword if you only use alert on its own or Strike on its own, Sp regen makes neither battle easier.
Okay, I was wrong in SO many was, SP regen makes it easier, I will also say EACH is hard in their own respects, zwei got high prevail and soul got predict, predict is annoying but prevail is moreso, by the time I had zwei down to the point were one good hit was needed to finish it, the damn prevail near doubled all his stats and it was suicide to do anything but counter-attack, which is suicide anyway cause he'll heal the damage.
This is true. I meant appearance-wise the attack (Mai Suzaku translates closer to "Phoenix Dance") makes the Soulgain look like it was teleporting. The GBA OG2 one doesn't look this way, but it's cooler looking to me. About that fantasy, a Gilliam-piloted Zweizergain probably could do it. A doomsday scenario would be having that get Machine Cells, an Einst "upgrade" (like Rein Weiss) and maybe the Granzon's power source. Machine cells are unlikely to work though; Feff's try on a Vysaga failed.
XN-giest, so techniacly it favors gilliam anyway. Oh, and you forgot to add the colassol blade, and try zyflud crystal if the machine cell don't work.
A Zankatou? I suppose it can be summoned like Shadow Slicer (OGs). Zwei's just an uberfied Soulgain built to house the "restored core of a forbidden mobile weapon;" it's not the actual machine resigned. Your point stands though.
im afraid you are wrong, Soulgain is far superior to the Zweizergain.
Similar example: if there was a duel between the R-1 and the SRX, the R-1 could dodge EVERYTHING and never run low on energy because his high damaging attacks use like 5, and 15 energy. (speaking as if neither used spirit)
I meant that Zwei is literally an upgraded Soulgain frame, but, I'll humor you a bit. Both Zwei and Soulgain have a base 120 mobility (I think both have 10 upgrade slots for all stats; I know Zwei does). Both are "L"-sized mechs. I think Soulgain is dodgier in GBA OG2 since Axel has Predict (Hit & Evade+ @ 130 Will). As far as the mechs go (based on GBA OG2), Zwei is better than Soulgain in many ways. Soulgain can probably win if it has a better pilot though.
Both Zwei and Soulgain are easy to defeat in 1 turn on a 1st run (GBA OG2; Don't know about EX-Hard). Zwei has 320k HP. It's a large #, but Neu (450k), Stern (550k), and Dark Brain (580k) all laugh at that.
As for that 1v1, R1's best attacks cost 10 & 25 EN; it's ok, but it has a base EN max of 204. An R1 that's out of EN is crap. SRX at least has D. Ball and F. Launcher if its b. max of 375 EN runs out too fast. Sure, it needs to hit, but the R1's b. max of 143 Mob isn't impossible to hit.
What I like best here is that higher-pitch tune inset during the intro and a few other sections. I feel really bad that OGs took it out.
blind51de 3 weeks ago
I think Kai should get his own Soulgain. After all Soulgain has punching attacks, appropriate for Kai, and theres also the mustache factor...
LordZack1 7 months ago
Axel in OG2 wasn´t the true Axel, indeed. BUT he had his figthing spirit! HOT BLOOD! CODE: KIRIN!DEEEEEEEEEYAAAAAAH! -Jumps and ripe apart an Alteisen-
Only one word: Legendary.
Alteisen92 1 year ago
Doesn't the Soulgain run on Axel's soul? That would make it the most eco-friendly unit in the series. I wonder what kind of highway mileage it gets........
UnholyJesus181 1 year ago 3
@UnholyJesus181
Like a certain carpet, it gets one million miles to the soul.
scorchsoul 1 year ago
Pffft...mustache mech.
DocWilyZ 1 year ago
Spoilers:
You get him in OG Gaiden.
KrikOBob 1 year ago
when i saw the soulgain icon, i thought he looked cool and i was going to be him in OG2 but i was dissapointed.
Kairadragon 2 years ago
Axel and soulgain is my favourite pilot and mecha ever, when I realized I had to fight him in OG2, I cried
DrNightbringer 2 years ago 8
I heard theres a hack for OG2 that switch Lamia and Axel. Instead of getting a spy Lamia, you get an amnesiac Axel.
Warrior536 2 years ago
@Warrior536 Yep, unfortunately I think it's only in Japanese.
LordZack1 7 months ago
D:
"The file couldn't be found. Please check the download link"
WHY GOD?! WHY DID YOU DO THIS TO ME?!?!
deprece2301 2 years ago 12
I really expected Axel to come around and join you while playing... >_>
deprece2301 2 years ago
Yeah, it was kind of a weird surprise playing through OG2 and seeing Axel go boom after taking his lumps. I guess he really WAS prepared to die for his ideals in that game.
You know, whatever the hell those ideals were. >_>
Durwagon 2 years ago
yeah why do i have to kill wodan and axel...... WHY GOD WHY!
LeenaPark 2 years ago
You said it, I also had to kill Wodan Ymir in OGS, it's a shame, just think, Wodan and Sanger......Double Zankantou attack
0928axel 2 years ago
But...what about Elzam, where does he fit in?
:(
gamerk2 2 years ago
Are you out of your mind?!?! That would destroy the whole universe!
Warrior536 2 years ago
T,T I don´t want to figth hiiim! I wanted him in my side!WHY I HAVE TO KILL THE COOL GUY!?
Alteisen92 2 years ago
Play OGG
Gamer2002 2 years ago
I KNOW that is in your side in OGG BUT I was saying that I wanted in my side in Super Robot Wars OG2,I know that it haves a more sadistic personality but is still the most cool character along with Kyosuke.
In my opinion Kyosuke and Axel are the best pilots in OG saga.
Alteisen92 2 years ago
I heard there was a fan-made mode for OG2 to let you take Axel instead of Lamia...
sodori 2 years ago
I see it in YouTube...but in Japanese...
Alteisen92 2 years ago
this is one of the only boss's i deprive fun out of when fighting
mmzx1 3 years ago
First hearing the snare of the drums totally changed my aspect of video game music. This is the first time i heard Dark Knight. After that i wanted him so badly to be on your side.
*Crossing Fingers* please let them make a plastic model figure out of Soul Gain please let them make a plastic model figure out of Soul Gain please let them make a plastic model figure out of Soul Gain i don't care if its 1/144 or 1/60 i just want it. That way i can finally depict the battle with Kyosuke vs Axel.
StressedoutGamer 3 years ago
i personally prefer the soul gain cause its way more cooler!
KoharuKusumi4ever 3 years ago
maybe because thats its most commonly used power? duuuuuuuuuuh
As for the R-1, there is no comparison, the SRX would just need a lucky hit or two.(id say 20% chance or less)
All three of those mega bosses have warp feild, so HP isent the concern here, plus you get waaaaay more powerfull units to battle them with, such at Kouta/Fighter Roa, and Folka. Your moving into a totaly different time zone zijo, where the guarlions first apearance seemed hard,you start bragging with Astranagant power.
BlanixTheBlood 3 years ago
Canon wise, the Zweizergain is far stronger than the Soulgain. In actual combat The Zweizergain has higher base attack power, higher armor, more HP, more EN, and double image. The only thing the Soulgain has on the Zweizergain is the 30% HP regen vs. 10%. If you're fighting both mechs with the SP Regen ability, neither one is very hard, but Zweizergain certainly takes longer to kill. In game, if the 2 Gains fought, neither one would die because they could never deal more than the Hp regen.
diseasicon 3 years ago
its all hypothetical.
But i guess the end result is: Axel is a far superior pilot then Vindel.
BlanixTheBlood 3 years ago
There is really no way to know which of the two is a better pilot. I'll have to check who's stats are higher the next time I play OGS, but I'd bet on Vindel's being higher since you fight him later. Really, they're probably about equal in terms of piloting ability storyline wise.
diseasicon 3 years ago
again with the game gimmick!
Look, Axel would be stronger regardless (it was only one level away) The more levels you go through the stronger the enemy, Axel too becomes stronger every time you fight him!
You need to consider that its a game and not real enough to predict that kind of outcome. Just like your previous comment.
Vindel is a commander, Axel is a front line fighter. The answer of skill is extremly obvious.
BlanixTheBlood 3 years ago
Vindel is a commander, but that in no way affirms that he is an inferior pilot to Axel. Elzam, Kai, Ingram, and Zengar are all ranking officers and commanders, and are among the best pilots in the OG-verse. Vindel likely achieved his rank of Colonel by being a good pilot, as well as a good leader. I'm not saying he's better than Axel, but Axel being a front line soldier doesn't necessarily make him a better pilot than Vindel.
diseasicon 3 years ago
Enough of your nonsense!
Elzam and Zengar are Agressors, Ingram isent even human, and Kai is a HUGE exception. (GESPENT KICK)
Now Vindel is more of a scientist kinda guy if you think about the story a bit.
Now im done arguing with you, my point stands, Axel looks, fights, and IS better than Vindel.
AND NEVER COMPARE ZENGAR TO A LOW-LIFE LIKE VINDEL!!!!!!!!!!! >:O
BlanixTheBlood 3 years ago
Dude, relax. We're going to have to agree to disagree. Honestly, Vindel is more of a "Char Aznable" type character (another leader and amazing pilot), not a low-life. He has a belief of where the world should direct itself, and will use any means necessary to accomplish that, not for himself, but for what he believes will benefit the earth. Nothing I have said is "nonsense", what you're throwing at me is simply your opinion - "Axel looks, fights, and IS better than Vindel."
diseasicon 3 years ago 2
oh look who thinks he can take the high road out of this one.
Despite all your opinoins and mine, this arguement servs as my entertainment.
I already know im right, because i usualy am, spesificly with SRWOG talk.
Vidnel is indeed a strong pilot, and a goof tactison. I just realy dont like his way of doing things. And you should understand that his beleifs are purly insane. Everytime I encountered him in mah game the first thing that went through my head was "I'm killin that arrogant SOB"
BlanixTheBlood 3 years ago
I was actually hoping you would find the answer to this yourself, but you didn't. The truth is, yes, Axel is a slightly better pilot than Vindel. In OGS, when they both deploy on mission 26, the only stat of Vindel's that is higher than Axel's is hit, but is within 10 points on all other stats. My point is, rather than finding the facts, you just spouted your opinions, with no fact to back them up. I know all you're going say Is I was wrong, but I'll admit I was, but I found the facts myself
diseasicon 3 years ago
Guys can you stop this! I can understand that you want to see who's right but relax, it's just game characters. And also don't use in-games stats as evidences. The best way is to ask the guy who designed them but that's not likely so go with the canon story.
LM314V21 3 years ago
come on LM, argueing about small game points that have no real value is entertaining.
BlanixTheBlood 3 years ago
For the sp regen makes it easy thing, CHECK YOUR FAQS BUDDY, sp regen gives only 10 sp per round, and to actually hit and survive zwei or soul you need to use 20 sp per turn at least,And theres the problem that the hp regen makes it very hard to deal decent damage. (for arguments sake say each had 100 hp and you dealt 31 to soul and zwei respectively, soul would heal all but 1 point, but zwei would only heal 10 damage, however unless you use 20 sp per turn youll hardly ever hit the zwei or soul.
cloudzeroriku 3 years ago
kay cloud.. now your bugging me, didnt i just say that we were being theorectical?
BlanixTheBlood 3 years ago
I was being literal about the GAMEPLAY, I was Theoretical about the Zwei vs soul fight.
But just think about what you said about sp regen. How do you plan to hit soulgain or zwei with an attack and SURVIVE afterword if you only use alert on its own or Strike on its own, Sp regen makes neither battle easier.
cloudzeroriku 3 years ago
Okay, I was wrong in SO many was, SP regen makes it easier, I will also say EACH is hard in their own respects, zwei got high prevail and soul got predict, predict is annoying but prevail is moreso, by the time I had zwei down to the point were one good hit was needed to finish it, the damn prevail near doubled all his stats and it was suicide to do anything but counter-attack, which is suicide anyway cause he'll heal the damage.
cloudzeroriku 2 years ago
受けろ！ 舞巣坂！！！
でえぇぇぇぇぇい！！！
StressedoutGamer 3 years ago
The first time i heard this its just rocked my video game world. As well as the unit and the pilot. Axel Alma> the entire cast of OGs(and Gaiden)
StressedoutGamer 3 years ago
you know i wanted to add somthing to Soulgain when i started fanaticing about this song.
I ended up adding a short-range system XN that only needs about 0.2 seconds to recharge.
Just constantly teleporting around the enemy and beating the crap out of him from from EVERY direction!
BlanixTheBlood 3 years ago
That's kind of what Phoenix Flyer (Japanese: Mai Suzaku) does in OGS and A Portable.
Zijo 3 years ago
eh?.........Phoenix Flyer is the attack move he uses with the blades in his arms....what does that have to do with quick teleporting?
BlanixTheBlood 3 years ago
Its the sheer speed he uses it with.
EvilBookMan 3 years ago
why do people confuse speed with teleporting?
THERE IS A DIFFERENCE!
BlanixTheBlood 3 years ago
This is true. I meant appearance-wise the attack (Mai Suzaku translates closer to "Phoenix Dance") makes the Soulgain look like it was teleporting. The GBA OG2 one doesn't look this way, but it's cooler looking to me. About that fantasy, a Gilliam-piloted Zweizergain probably could do it. A doomsday scenario would be having that get Machine Cells, an Einst "upgrade" (like Rein Weiss) and maybe the Granzon's power source. Machine cells are unlikely to work though; Feff's try on a Vysaga failed.
Zijo 3 years ago
for the record, the Zwei is a built-over
XN-giest, so techniacly it favors gilliam anyway. Oh, and you forgot to add the colassol blade, and try zyflud crystal if the machine cell don't work.
BlanixTheBlood 3 years ago
A Zankatou? I suppose it can be summoned like Shadow Slicer (OGs). Zwei's just an uberfied Soulgain built to house the "restored core of a forbidden mobile weapon;" it's not the actual machine resigned. Your point stands though.
Zijo 3 years ago
im afraid you are wrong, Soulgain is far superior to the Zweizergain.
Similar example: if there was a duel between the R-1 and the SRX, the R-1 could dodge EVERYTHING and never run low on energy because his high damaging attacks use like 5, and 15 energy. (speaking as if neither used spirit)
BlanixTheBlood 3 years ago
I meant that Zwei is literally an upgraded Soulgain frame, but, I'll humor you a bit. Both Zwei and Soulgain have a base 120 mobility (I think both have 10 upgrade slots for all stats; I know Zwei does). Both are "L"-sized mechs. I think Soulgain is dodgier in GBA OG2 since Axel has Predict (Hit & Evade+ @ 130 Will). As far as the mechs go (based on GBA OG2), Zwei is better than Soulgain in many ways. Soulgain can probably win if it has a better pilot though.
Zijo 3 years ago
you missed my point then.
Ryu pilots both the R-1 and SRX, but the R-1 is better as far as one-on-one goes.
The only problem i had with Zwei was its friggin huge hp bar. (400000 at least)
I had trouble with everything fighting soulgain. (hitting, dodging, not dying TT-TT)
BlanixTheBlood 3 years ago
Both Zwei and Soulgain are easy to defeat in 1 turn on a 1st run (GBA OG2; Don't know about EX-Hard). Zwei has 320k HP. It's a large #, but Neu (450k), Stern (550k), and Dark Brain (580k) all laugh at that.
As for that 1v1, R1's best attacks cost 10 & 25 EN; it's ok, but it has a base EN max of 204. An R1 that's out of EN is crap. SRX at least has D. Ball and F. Launcher if its b. max of 375 EN runs out too fast. Sure, it needs to hit, but the R1's b. max of 143 Mob isn't impossible to hit.
Zijo 3 years ago
that KLTCHX! at the bigging is awsome!
BlanixTheBlood 3 years ago
Indeed, awesome it is.
Chief889 3 years ago
I prefer SRW A's theme of Axel i think its alot catchier but this is number two.
StressedoutGamer 3 years ago
is dat sun turn a stache?
SmashCake 3 years ago
What do you mean? the Mustache it has. They say its a blade but i never seen him use it once.
Axel: Go Bihilidan(Phoneix Flyer)
*arm and mustache blades grow*
Excellen:He needs a trim. Zengar if you would?
StressedoutGamer 3 years ago
I like this song on either game, but I really like to heard Trombe! from OG1, that was really good!
Kaisho12 4 years ago
some theme sound much better in the og2 than in ogs like trombe and the cybuster theme
firagadam 4 years ago
That's true, though Trombe! is definitely at its best in OG1.
Socran 4 years ago
thanks. His theme sounds a lot better on the OG2.
beaver1231 4 years ago
i like this theme in og2
ShinHolyAyato 4 years ago