I remember that day. I was in San Francisco shopping for a video camera and was at Good Guys when it happened in the Stonestown Galleria. Everyone was just standing around watching it on TV.
I was there not at the site mind you, my mother and father were shopping at pack n save. I think it was called and as we were leaving we saw swat teams and helicopters in the area. It was not tell we got home that we found out the that some people had been killed. About a decade later I'd work there.
@redking15ca I hope you was joking? guns are not illegal in california. we just have strick laws, there are more guns in ca. then all other states combined.....
A good guys hostages tips for finding out the truth.
If you want to know the truth about an event? Step1. would be don't ask the terrorist what happen. Step 2. would be don't ask the relative that stole all of the dead hostages belonging what happen. Step 3. would be ask the people that where held hostage inside the store about the truth. Step four don't attempt to steal an author and hostage survivors story. Step 4. Never hang up on a hostage survivor after attempting to lie to her!
wow i knew sac county sheriffs are crooked but they actually committed murder. you hear the swat screaming " stop shooting already he's dead jason christ"
@rattlesnake1976 That's not murder. If he's already dead, then you can't kill him. Sac Sheriff is not crooked. Corrupt cops are not cops...they are criminals with metal pinned to their shirts. Please learn the difference before you trash-talk against those who actually tried to save someone's life.
Sacramento is a town that genuinely cares about it's neighborhood. This was such a dark and sad time for us as a community. Please stay true to what happened at that scene.
bitchass police!! they gave up n they still killed the robbers! if i was the robbers i would of killed the hostages because the cops shot first..they put ppl lives in danger...if u listen carefully u can hear the cops saying get on the floor, then he still shot like 5 to 6 more times n then told him (you wanna reach for your gun?) and shot him more..the robbers are stupid 4 wat they did and i would feel different if my family or i was in there but fuck the police
@yungpopular916 Quite honestly this statement makes you sound like U WOULD kill people that didn't do anything to you, which makes you an extremely selfish, selfcentered arrogant person. Why would you take someone hostage in the 1st place?
I remember this today as clearly as when it happened, even though I lived far away. Many accounts of horror and courage came away from the siege.In particular,I cite the courage, training, and dedication of the Sacramento SD SED guys who went in and resolved the threats, to the negotiators who kept people alive long enough to make it happen, and to Lisa for writing her book and having the courage and Faith to help others. I know-I'm a rape crisis responder, and,like her, I speak from experience.
I think as the result of this incident, the new store in the same building has a different entrance location to "erase old wounds" from what took place there in 1991. Wow, such a shitty mess!!!
@divineprojects0 i watched this from my balcony with binoculars back then. i used to live in the Park Florin Apts. on 55th and Florin Mall Dr. it was insane!!!
@json8tr the sniper had a clear shot, the glass door, as it was closing, which was around 3/4 inch thick deflected the shot. The cops entered in through a side and back door, where they were positioned, no one ran in front, because there wan't a build up of cops, be hard to mobilize a strike force in plain view of the hostage takers. The Officers "let people lie there" because in a situation like this, it is always first priority to secure the scene.
Yesterday was the 19th anniversary of the incident - a film is going to be made most likely at the end of this year/beginning of next year - the truth will come out about what happened that day - matt
Yesterday was the 19th anniversary of the incident - a film is going to be made most likely at the end of this year/beginning of next year - the truth will come out about what happened that day - matt
I went to church and to highschool with the lone surviving gunman;the guy had a history of mental illness---always trying to fit in with the wrong crowds; had he and his brothers didn't get involved with that one dude, then, this situation would have never happened!...
My condolence goes out to the customers who lost their lives that night!
The Sacramento Sheriff Department did all they could to handle this situation; one officer even stripped down to his underwear to prove to the gunmen that he was unarmed! But, the "demands" from those "BAD GUYS" were unbelievably nonegotiable: 1,000 year-old ginseng roots and a HELICOPTER to take them back TO VIETNAM TO FIGHT THE VIETCONGS?!!!...
@grumpypant they did all they could with the pea sized brains they had to work with.
and what does a helicopter demand have to do with not being able to shoot more than one time. they manage to put twenty or more into people for holding a cell phone.
What a shitty time to be alive in Sacramento during the early 90s: Crimes were rising in car thelves, gang violences, prostitutions up and down Stockton Bld., popular retail store closing...BIG FUCKIN' MESSES!!!
@grumpypant I agree with you stockton blvd is hooker blvd and so was auburn blvd right by the freeway where all those hotels use to be then they knocked them all down ... lol I was working for the new media when this hostage situation went down I remember is went on all day long into the evening time when it all came to a end
John Fritz, one of the Good Guys employees that was killed in this, was one of my bullies in fifth grade in Danville. Sooner or later, Karma gets you.
I worked with John Fritz at both the Citrus Heights and the Florin Good Guys. In the entire time I knew him, he was soft spoken and polite to a fault. If he was ever a bully, he had certainly changed long before I knew him.
I was there that day, and trust me, to imply that what he went through (or any of us for that matter) was a result of Karma is truly sad and disturbing. He left behind a brother and a widow, as well as friends who would not wish that kind of "karma" on anyone.
@Zeroman63 karma isn't wished or prayed for. Karma (good or bad) is the result of every action by every living being. And, creating good karma never erases or makes up for bad karma one attains in their past.
The karma that appears from these actions is rarely instant. It could take hours or, in John's case, decades.
Yes, but that's because they're over in a short time. Deploying a fully armed swat team from their base is expensive.
Police are trained in these situations to not force them to do anything. The swat team is there for a worst case senario - which happened.
There was a mall shooting a few years back in Omaha NE - We have a swat team based in omaha, and was able to react in a very short time. The shooter saw them coming up the escalator and killed himself. They were very close to him.
I agree with you on the point that everyone should be able to carry a gun - but at the same time forcing people to go through a class (safety, sanity check, ect) before they are allowed to carry a gun in public would prevent a lot of accidental discharges.
@NovaBlue95 suuuure they saved thousands of hostages :)
no my friend, the truth is that no person will ever risk his life to save ur life because every one has a family and will think twice before he risks to throw away his life to help some unknown person he never met .
u cant expect to have police superheroes like in hollywood movies comming to save ur ass, thats why every person should have the right to carry a gun for selfdefense, thats the best way to survive a situation like this.
@horror11 I never said that they saved thousands of hostages. I know that they wouldn't risk their life for mine because I already said, "The police care for their own safety". And you're right, everyone should be allowed to carry a gun for self-defense.
@KOHF34 The bullet was deflected by the glass door as it swung shut. The failure to hit the target was judged to be, at least in part, due to deflection resulting from the door. Immediately, the hostage takers ran back and forth, shooting at the seated hostages who were tied down in a row behind the glass door, in full view of the news cameras broadcasting the event live.
"lets not forget that all the children were released, along with their parents!"
Well weren't those murderous pricks just sweet as hell? What's your point? They picked and chose who they kill makes them somehow not as bad? Too bad tha cameras were rolling the surviving shooter should have met the same fate.
Actually the children were finally all released, but not with their parents. I know this for a fact as my dad was one of the actual hostages and he was tied up with the mother of one of the children. At the end of the ordeal, she ended up shot in the arm and my dad was shot in the hip along (with many others hostages).
One of the hostage who died was Fernando Gutierrez, his family wanted to sue the Sheriff's department but didn't, due to the fact that he was a shoplifter, and authorities found stolen goods on him. This makes 4 bad guys dead out of 5
Jeeeeesus, imagine being one of the surviving hostages, listening to that endless gunfire. Poor woman out front was apparently tied up with speaker wire, which impeded her escape.
You have absolutely no understanding of entry. If you have 2 SWAT cells breaching from the rear, would you send in more cells in the front and lock them into a cross fire panic situation? Until you have been placed in such a situation or at least have some level of training in this type of situation, I suggest you refrain from commenting.
he fartface, i "been there done that" dont try covering for someones fuck up. hey dumbass the threat is in the front, concentrate there. you have no idea about entry do you?
"i "been there done that" dont try covering for someones fuck up."
Learn something before spouting off. You have absolutely no real understanding of hostage situations and SWAT entry, and until you do, don't waste the rest of the worlds time.
"hey dumbass the threat is in the front, concentrate there."
Which is why you are in no way shape or form part of any SWAT program. Stay in school, you're too stupid to drop out, so don't.
After you take a little hostage rescue training, sit in on a few remedial English classes.
I would never correct a typo or even a minor misspelling. But, "could of been" is an abuse of the language. The worst correct phrase is, "could HAVE been". That's still a positive assertion where you are at most, speculating. So the correct phrase should be, "MIGHT HAVE been".
too bad you only look at it as "might have."- could have means you had the control and lost it.. so you ned to take remedial on cqb before bringing your sorry ass here to try looking tough.
"Looking tough"? Is that what you call pointing out grammatical mistakes? I guess "tough" has changed since I was in high school.
"Could have" (which is not what you said) means that YOU know that there is no reasonable explanation for the 10 seconds and that it was police negligence that cost those lives. It means you think YOU are qualified to judge the gravity of those 10 seconds. YOUR 17 year hindsight WOULD have saved more lives. Congratulations. Go back to your airsoft cheat sheet.
well you need togo back to school then, cus there are cars and cell phones made since you were in that shack room ...lol , tell me what you would of done to save those ppl huh? with all your dumbass knowledge...lol
I wouldn't want to go back to school. Beside, you've schooled me enough. "Tough" used to mean, strong, severe, or rough. Apparently the modern meaning of "tough" is being able to point out egregious grammatical mistakes. Thanks for the 411.
As for what I would HAVE done, should I assume only a 1991 perspective or assume 2008 hindsight?
Finally, it is not "would OF". If you need to abbreviate, it's "would've".
And "lol" seems to be all you got. Other than complaining that the cops made mistakes during an incident that probably took place around the same time that you were born, do you have anything that can actually educate readers? Take any of those cops back in time 17 years and they would certainly do something different and probably better. And without a doubt, every last one of them would be better than you.
going back in years is all you got? how old are you? if you werent 100 yrs old i'd kick your ass. lol, go get yourself a fiber cookie or something before the pacemaker dies on you. lol lol lol....
Keep practicing those lol's. Since "tough" now means "someone who can point out grammar mistakes", does "kick your ass" mean you can type "lol" faster than me? If so, I give up. You will definitely "lol" me.
Entry was initiated at the same time from the back door. It just happened to take several seconds to get through the barricade and then make their way down the long corridor.
Where it went bad was the expectation that one of the bad guys would be dead on the sniper shot. But even if that was a kill shot, the situation was bound to leave a couple dead hostages. So many hostages and 4 desperate criminals with no clear leader is almost a no-win scenario. What would you have done?
"rear entry is diversion" Wrong again genius... If that were the case, we would see officers going in the front door of the store soon after the sniper shot. INSTEAD we see the sniper shot and hear multiple shots inside. Soon after we see SWAT making their way to the front. It's not until SWAT has cleared the building that FRONT ENTRY IS MADE. Are you even watching this video? According to the property owner, there are only two ways in and out of that store.
There he goes with the "lol" again to prove his point. What is that, 9 so far? I think 1 more "lol" should demonstrate your clear tactical supremacy. Then again, it may not really be necessary since the "gay" joke is generally accepted as evidence that you know more about police tactics than anyone else.
So u would have multiple snipers taking shots at the same target, where they are coordinated in split second intervals so that the first shot takes out the glass and the others take out the target? I think I saw that in a Steven Seagal movie.
Are u also saying u would use a diversionary rear entry to distract 4 hostage takers who have already been shooting and indicated they were on a suicide mission?
you said that like you knew only 4 bad guys were in there, bad guys are always unknown for one thing.since you already had back entry then use them as diversion.
you need to stop watching too many movies, ok?
it dont help you one bit..glass shots are dispersed in degrees and angles, muliple shooters are needed becus as you can see on the video- the dude didnt die by INSTANT OR RAPID KILL SHOTS, and he had all day going down the line killing people. thats where the LOSS was.
I think you need to concentrate on your airsoft ctf matches and let the police handle the real world. The hostage takers would have probably started to shoot hostages on any sign of a breach. The police didn't enter the store at all until the sniper gave the go. If they had attempted a rear diversion, the takers may have had more time to kill and hide behind hostages. Multiple snipers coordinating on the same target adds to the confusion and friendly fire deaths.
Negative, genius... The breach was from the rear. The sniper shot came from the front. Once the SWAT cells made their way to the front from the rear the rest of the police officers entered the front. There was only one shooter left by that time and he was extinguished by one of the SWAT cells.
You should probably pull the police report next time, Einstein. You might have a better understanding when you have the facts.
I had never seen this with the audio before. It gave me chills. I will never forget this situation. I was glued to the t.v. all day long, watching and waiting ... knowing my husband was one of the hostages inside.
I remember that day. I was in San Francisco shopping for a video camera and was at Good Guys when it happened in the Stonestown Galleria. Everyone was just standing around watching it on TV.
PaulsPhotoService 3 weeks ago
guy in the pink shirt got out after the glass broke was smart, lucky, right timing.
WisdomThroughLogic 1 month ago
@2:25 you can here the deputy shooting several times and then say " you want to go for that gun? huh?!?" wow!!
fordxbgtfalcon 3 months ago 3
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phambo101 4 months ago
I was there not at the site mind you, my mother and father were shopping at pack n save. I think it was called and as we were leaving we saw swat teams and helicopters in the area. It was not tell we got home that we found out the that some people had been killed. About a decade later I'd work there.
hezbollah95818 4 months ago
Good thing guns are illegal in California or those people might have been able to defend themselves.
redking15ca 5 months ago
@redking15ca I hope you was joking? guns are not illegal in california. we just have strick laws, there are more guns in ca. then all other states combined.....
fordxbgtfalcon 3 months ago
@fordxbgtfalcon Speeding is not illegal in california, we just have strick laws, there are more speeders in ca. then all other states combined.......
redking15ca 3 months ago
@redking15ca lol, :)
fordxbgtfalcon 3 months ago
A good guys hostages tips for finding out the truth.
If you want to know the truth about an event? Step1. would be don't ask the terrorist what happen. Step 2. would be don't ask the relative that stole all of the dead hostages belonging what happen. Step 3. would be ask the people that where held hostage inside the store about the truth. Step four don't attempt to steal an author and hostage survivors story. Step 4. Never hang up on a hostage survivor after attempting to lie to her!
bookheadsortails 6 months ago
wow i knew sac county sheriffs are crooked but they actually committed murder. you hear the swat screaming " stop shooting already he's dead jason christ"
rattlesnake1976 10 months ago
@rattlesnake1976 That's not murder. If he's already dead, then you can't kill him. Sac Sheriff is not crooked. Corrupt cops are not cops...they are criminals with metal pinned to their shirts. Please learn the difference before you trash-talk against those who actually tried to save someone's life.
SugarDDASHX 2 weeks ago
wana know somethin crazy? My dad was one of the snipers of this inccident.
MrScribbler24 11 months ago
Sacramento is a town that genuinely cares about it's neighborhood. This was such a dark and sad time for us as a community. Please stay true to what happened at that scene.
SuperBeth1973 1 year ago
bitchass police!! they gave up n they still killed the robbers! if i was the robbers i would of killed the hostages because the cops shot first..they put ppl lives in danger...if u listen carefully u can hear the cops saying get on the floor, then he still shot like 5 to 6 more times n then told him (you wanna reach for your gun?) and shot him more..the robbers are stupid 4 wat they did and i would feel different if my family or i was in there but fuck the police
yungpopular916 1 year ago
@yungpopular916 Quite honestly this statement makes you sound like U WOULD kill people that didn't do anything to you, which makes you an extremely selfish, selfcentered arrogant person. Why would you take someone hostage in the 1st place?
mikejessmax 1 year ago
weird i never learned or ever heard about this in school.
coolmusicforyou1 1 year ago
I remember this today as clearly as when it happened, even though I lived far away. Many accounts of horror and courage came away from the siege.In particular,I cite the courage, training, and dedication of the Sacramento SD SED guys who went in and resolved the threats, to the negotiators who kept people alive long enough to make it happen, and to Lisa for writing her book and having the courage and Faith to help others. I know-I'm a rape crisis responder, and,like her, I speak from experience.
PAULWALLUSA261 1 year ago
I picked a great day to go by a Nintendo game. This happened an hour after I left the store. I was tripping when I saw it on television.
Yvesbear 1 year ago
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i like how the guy runs across shooting all the hostages ahahahahaha
jedediahsagemandrago 1 year ago
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i like how the guy runs across shooting all the hostages ahahahahaha
jedediahsagemandrago 1 year ago
i like how the guy runs across shooting all the hostages ahahahahaha
jedediahsagemandrago 1 year ago
@jedediahsagemandrago Fuck you.
RantVideoPhone 1 year ago
@RantVideoPhone no fuck you punk
jedediahsagemandrago 1 year ago
hostage taking is around the world ... not only in my country ... WORLD this is for your information .... God bless
marizzzfb 1 year ago
I think as the result of this incident, the new store in the same building has a different entrance location to "erase old wounds" from what took place there in 1991. Wow, such a shitty mess!!!
grumpypant 1 year ago
yeah this was crazy!!
corbinnunnally 1 year ago
i used to go to this store all the time with my dad ...
VE3Nz 1 year ago
this is rite around the corner from my house its a dollar tree now
divineprojects0 1 year ago
@divineprojects0 i watched this from my balcony with binoculars back then. i used to live in the Park Florin Apts. on 55th and Florin Mall Dr. it was insane!!!
HONDH8R 1 year ago
it sounds like at 23s they are still negotiating, and at 26s one of the brothers is hit. does anyone know where are the others located?
rossle 1 year ago
the police fucked this up so bad. bad sniper shot, bad guy shoots everyone, no police go in the front, just let people lie there! WTF!!?
json8tr 1 year ago
@json8tr the sniper had a clear shot, the glass door, as it was closing, which was around 3/4 inch thick deflected the shot. The cops entered in through a side and back door, where they were positioned, no one ran in front, because there wan't a build up of cops, be hard to mobilize a strike force in plain view of the hostage takers. The Officers "let people lie there" because in a situation like this, it is always first priority to secure the scene.
dannymac77 1 year ago
Man I remember seeingthis on tv
s0meGuyMarlyMar 1 year ago
Damn, I had a job interview at that store scheduled the same week of that event
springair07 1 year ago
Yesterday was the 19th anniversary of the incident - a film is going to be made most likely at the end of this year/beginning of next year - the truth will come out about what happened that day - matt
bgkcasting 1 year ago
@bgkcasting I read that the hostage takers did it to call attention to the political situation in Vietnam. Where they members of a political group?
RantVideoPhone 1 year ago
Yesterday was the 19th anniversary of the incident - a film is going to be made most likely at the end of this year/beginning of next year - the truth will come out about what happened that day - matt
bgkcasting 1 year ago
was the day I was born! :P
ericnotderek 1 year ago
I went to church and to highschool with the lone surviving gunman;the guy had a history of mental illness---always trying to fit in with the wrong crowds; had he and his brothers didn't get involved with that one dude, then, this situation would have never happened!...
My condolence goes out to the customers who lost their lives that night!
grumpypant 1 year ago
The Sacramento Sheriff Department did all they could to handle this situation; one officer even stripped down to his underwear to prove to the gunmen that he was unarmed! But, the "demands" from those "BAD GUYS" were unbelievably nonegotiable: 1,000 year-old ginseng roots and a HELICOPTER to take them back TO VIETNAM TO FIGHT THE VIETCONGS?!!!...
grumpypant 1 year ago
@grumpypant they did all they could with the pea sized brains they had to work with.
and what does a helicopter demand have to do with not being able to shoot more than one time. they manage to put twenty or more into people for holding a cell phone.
bpotp 1 year ago
I was at the scene of this hostage situation when it played out it was very scary
princessLisy 1 year ago
I thought the word "sacramento" means sacred in Spanish---OH, HOW SACRED!!!
grumpypant 1 year ago
What a shitty time to be alive in Sacramento during the early 90s: Crimes were rising in car thelves, gang violences, prostitutions up and down Stockton Bld., popular retail store closing...BIG FUCKIN' MESSES!!!
grumpypant 1 year ago
@grumpypant I agree with you stockton blvd is hooker blvd and so was auburn blvd right by the freeway where all those hotels use to be then they knocked them all down ... lol I was working for the new media when this hostage situation went down I remember is went on all day long into the evening time when it all came to a end
princessLisy 1 year ago
I lived off of Florin Road back then and worked at Florin Mall. I remember this vividly.
cainanuk 1 year ago
John Fritz, one of the Good Guys employees that was killed in this, was one of my bullies in fifth grade in Danville. Sooner or later, Karma gets you.
taurnguard 1 year ago
@taurnguard
I worked with John Fritz at both the Citrus Heights and the Florin Good Guys. In the entire time I knew him, he was soft spoken and polite to a fault. If he was ever a bully, he had certainly changed long before I knew him.
I was there that day, and trust me, to imply that what he went through (or any of us for that matter) was a result of Karma is truly sad and disturbing. He left behind a brother and a widow, as well as friends who would not wish that kind of "karma" on anyone.
Zeroman63 1 year ago
@Zeroman63 karma isn't wished or prayed for. Karma (good or bad) is the result of every action by every living being. And, creating good karma never erases or makes up for bad karma one attains in their past.
The karma that appears from these actions is rarely instant. It could take hours or, in John's case, decades.
My sympathies to his family in his passing.
taurnguard 1 year ago
Was there a pet shop next door?
coolgamer1677 2 years ago
@coolgamer1677 No there was a fabric store next door. The sheriff dept gained access via that store.
cainanuk 1 year ago
@cainanuk I can swear I hear animals during parts of it. Oh well.
coolgamer1677 1 year ago
@coolgamer1677 People sound like animals when they're wounded.
thotkrime 1 year ago
@thotkrime they were the K-9 dogs for the sheriff department
MrBrandonlee96 1 month ago
@coolgamer1677 No there was a fabric store next door. The sheriff dept gained access via that store.
cainanuk 1 year ago
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@coolgamer1677 No there was a fabric store next door. The sheriff dept gained access via that store.
cainanuk 1 year ago
at 2:22 you can hear the cop say "get your hands up mister, then do you want to go for that gun?" then you hear pop, pop, pop, pop, pop
ohhellnoyoudidnt 2 years ago
Believe me or not but I just met the sniper that made that shot through the glass. He teaches hunters safety classes in rancho cordova.
Motocross1110 2 years ago
@Motocross1110 remind not to take his safety course.
ohhellnoyoudidnt 2 years ago
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bpotp 1 year ago
I hope they had the extended warranty.
TheLAKERSareGodsTeam 2 years ago
hell yea ODFSCompany that game is gonna be sick
mar400071 2 years ago
ArmA 2 game perfect physics to glass deflect effect bullet
ODFSCompany 2 years ago
now you see the reality of police, they cannot protect ppl.
thats the reason why they need so many hollywood movies to let them look like special forces.
remember this when u think about the schoolshootings in columbine and similar.
police is doing NOTHING they just let them kill all and when its safe enough they go in.
swat teams have never stopped any schoolshootings.
the only who can protect you is youself with a weapon, if this fails you can hope the criminal will not kill you.
horror11 2 years ago
Yes, but that's because they're over in a short time. Deploying a fully armed swat team from their base is expensive.
Police are trained in these situations to not force them to do anything. The swat team is there for a worst case senario - which happened.
There was a mall shooting a few years back in Omaha NE - We have a swat team based in omaha, and was able to react in a very short time. The shooter saw them coming up the escalator and killed himself. They were very close to him.
windexglow 2 years ago
my point is that criminals have weapons whenever they want and they use them on unarmed ppl when no police or anybody is there.
every person should have the right to carry a weapon for selfdefense.
of course not without license and tests every year but this is a human right cause no one can protect u from criminals.
do u believe a criminal would go into a bank to rob it with 50 armed ppl in it? no way
yes u can be shot death but dont think they dont kill u bcause u carry no weapon:)
horror11 2 years ago 3
I agree with you on the point that everyone should be able to carry a gun - but at the same time forcing people to go through a class (safety, sanity check, ect) before they are allowed to carry a gun in public would prevent a lot of accidental discharges.
windexglow 2 years ago
@horror11
idiot
Code3Max 1 year ago
@horror11 The police care more for their own safety. You wanna know why, because you can't save hostages when you're dead. -_-
NovaBlue95 11 months ago
@NovaBlue95 suuuure they saved thousands of hostages :)
no my friend, the truth is that no person will ever risk his life to save ur life because every one has a family and will think twice before he risks to throw away his life to help some unknown person he never met .
u cant expect to have police superheroes like in hollywood movies comming to save ur ass, thats why every person should have the right to carry a gun for selfdefense, thats the best way to survive a situation like this.
horror11 11 months ago
@horror11 I never said that they saved thousands of hostages. I know that they wouldn't risk their life for mine because I already said, "The police care for their own safety". And you're right, everyone should be allowed to carry a gun for self-defense.
NovaBlue95 11 months ago
At :34, is that the hostage taker shooting the hostages?
KOHF34 2 years ago
No
it wasnt
xanderrks 2 years ago
yeah
lostfacts 2 years ago
@KOHF34 The bullet was deflected by the glass door as it swung shut. The failure to hit the target was judged to be, at least in part, due to deflection resulting from the door. Immediately, the hostage takers ran back and forth, shooting at the seated hostages who were tied down in a row behind the glass door, in full view of the news cameras broadcasting the event live.
kevmarkpat 2 years ago
I was living there and seen this first hand, these dudes were from my neighborhood!
-Stosa!
StoicTwo 2 years ago
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fambothexterminator 2 years ago
"lets not forget that all the children were released, along with their parents!"
Well weren't those murderous pricks just sweet as hell? What's your point? They picked and chose who they kill makes them somehow not as bad? Too bad tha cameras were rolling the surviving shooter should have met the same fate.
joefarthole 2 years ago
Actually the children were finally all released, but not with their parents. I know this for a fact as my dad was one of the actual hostages and he was tied up with the mother of one of the children. At the end of the ordeal, she ended up shot in the arm and my dad was shot in the hip along (with many others hostages).
MrDomino0990 2 years ago
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fambothexterminator 2 years ago
This is a poor way of handling it. Its hard to watch as he sprays the hostages. The gun fire sounds more like executions....
SMRBV 3 years ago
One of the hostage who died was Fernando Gutierrez, his family wanted to sue the Sheriff's department but didn't, due to the fact that he was a shoplifter, and authorities found stolen goods on him. This makes 4 bad guys dead out of 5
elektrikcity 3 years ago
Shoplifter or not, he was still a victim of a crime.
thiscouldntblowmore 2 years ago
I remebr drivin by this shit when it happened, Asian gangtaz in SAC dont play
AmericuznitemaiR 3 years ago
we were in traffic watching this shit too .......
shooting was common in sac back then.....
carzy shit!!!!!!!
jojolewis831 3 years ago
Jeeeeesus, imagine being one of the surviving hostages, listening to that endless gunfire. Poor woman out front was apparently tied up with speaker wire, which impeded her escape.
RetroBoyisBack 3 years ago
Yeah I dated the women who was out front of the door and she was tied to others inside.
tcnsac69 2 years ago
that was my step dads friend
xanderrks 2 years ago
thats almost 10 secs where those ppl could of been saved..there was not entry or communication at all.....sad...
sangmouass 3 years ago
You have absolutely no understanding of entry. If you have 2 SWAT cells breaching from the rear, would you send in more cells in the front and lock them into a cross fire panic situation? Until you have been placed in such a situation or at least have some level of training in this type of situation, I suggest you refrain from commenting.
joefarthole 3 years ago
he fartface, i "been there done that" dont try covering for someones fuck up. hey dumbass the threat is in the front, concentrate there. you have no idea about entry do you?
sangmouass 3 years ago
"i "been there done that" dont try covering for someones fuck up."
Learn something before spouting off. You have absolutely no real understanding of hostage situations and SWAT entry, and until you do, don't waste the rest of the worlds time.
"hey dumbass the threat is in the front, concentrate there."
Which is why you are in no way shape or form part of any SWAT program. Stay in school, you're too stupid to drop out, so don't.
"you have no idea about entry do you? "
Seems I do.
joefarthole 3 years ago
is sentence fragments all you can deal with? lol, learn somthing before you write again ok...hhhaaa
sangmouass 3 years ago
"is sentence fragments all you can deal with? lol, learn somthing before you write again ok...hhhaaa"
"IS"??? Thanks for the laugh you illiterate retard.
joefarthole 3 years ago
After you take a little hostage rescue training, sit in on a few remedial English classes.
I would never correct a typo or even a minor misspelling. But, "could of been" is an abuse of the language. The worst correct phrase is, "could HAVE been". That's still a positive assertion where you are at most, speculating. So the correct phrase should be, "MIGHT HAVE been".
BruceNolanMN 3 years ago
too bad you only look at it as "might have."- could have means you had the control and lost it.. so you ned to take remedial on cqb before bringing your sorry ass here to try looking tough.
sangmouass 3 years ago
"Looking tough"? Is that what you call pointing out grammatical mistakes? I guess "tough" has changed since I was in high school.
"Could have" (which is not what you said) means that YOU know that there is no reasonable explanation for the 10 seconds and that it was police negligence that cost those lives. It means you think YOU are qualified to judge the gravity of those 10 seconds. YOUR 17 year hindsight WOULD have saved more lives. Congratulations. Go back to your airsoft cheat sheet.
BruceNolanMN 3 years ago
well you need togo back to school then, cus there are cars and cell phones made since you were in that shack room ...lol , tell me what you would of done to save those ppl huh? with all your dumbass knowledge...lol
sangmouass 3 years ago
I wouldn't want to go back to school. Beside, you've schooled me enough. "Tough" used to mean, strong, severe, or rough. Apparently the modern meaning of "tough" is being able to point out egregious grammatical mistakes. Thanks for the 411.
As for what I would HAVE done, should I assume only a 1991 perspective or assume 2008 hindsight?
Finally, it is not "would OF". If you need to abbreviate, it's "would've".
BruceNolanMN 3 years ago
lol, is that all you got? lame-lame-lame...think of something else then get back to me...
sangmouass 3 years ago
And "lol" seems to be all you got. Other than complaining that the cops made mistakes during an incident that probably took place around the same time that you were born, do you have anything that can actually educate readers? Take any of those cops back in time 17 years and they would certainly do something different and probably better. And without a doubt, every last one of them would be better than you.
BruceNolanMN 3 years ago
going back in years is all you got? how old are you? if you werent 100 yrs old i'd kick your ass. lol, go get yourself a fiber cookie or something before the pacemaker dies on you. lol lol lol....
sangmouass 3 years ago
Keep practicing those lol's. Since "tough" now means "someone who can point out grammar mistakes", does "kick your ass" mean you can type "lol" faster than me? If so, I give up. You will definitely "lol" me.
BruceNolanMN 3 years ago
and let me tell you somthing, entry was made at the front, did you get that? thats where it all went wrong...write back
sangmouass 3 years ago
Entry was initiated at the same time from the back door. It just happened to take several seconds to get through the barricade and then make their way down the long corridor.
Where it went bad was the expectation that one of the bad guys would be dead on the sniper shot. But even if that was a kill shot, the situation was bound to leave a couple dead hostages. So many hostages and 4 desperate criminals with no clear leader is almost a no-win scenario. What would you have done?
BruceNolanMN 3 years ago
count down with multiple shooters, all shots at one target(threats) , splitting seconds for glass and follow up shots by other shooters.
rear entry is diversion,
sangmouass 3 years ago
"rear entry is diversion" Wrong again genius... If that were the case, we would see officers going in the front door of the store soon after the sniper shot. INSTEAD we see the sniper shot and hear multiple shots inside. Soon after we see SWAT making their way to the front. It's not until SWAT has cleared the building that FRONT ENTRY IS MADE. Are you even watching this video? According to the property owner, there are only two ways in and out of that store.
joefarthole 3 years ago
rear entry seems to be your kind of thing isnt it? gay ass fucker....lol
sangmouass 3 years ago
There he goes with the "lol" again to prove his point. What is that, 9 so far? I think 1 more "lol" should demonstrate your clear tactical supremacy. Then again, it may not really be necessary since the "gay" joke is generally accepted as evidence that you know more about police tactics than anyone else.
BruceNolanMN 3 years ago
lol,lol lol, you cant really focus on one subject cant you? lol
sangmouass 3 years ago
Brilliant, little boy. You've proven my point about you. Go back to school now before mommy catches you.
joefarthole 3 years ago
before you catch me with your mommy? lol, ok
dumbass like you couldnt figure out how to start a humvee
sangmouass 3 years ago
Go back to school. A third grade education will get you nothing in life.
joefarthole 3 years ago
is that what your mom told you?
sangmouass 3 years ago
So u would have multiple snipers taking shots at the same target, where they are coordinated in split second intervals so that the first shot takes out the glass and the others take out the target? I think I saw that in a Steven Seagal movie.
Are u also saying u would use a diversionary rear entry to distract 4 hostage takers who have already been shooting and indicated they were on a suicide mission?
BruceNolanMN 3 years ago
you said that like you knew only 4 bad guys were in there, bad guys are always unknown for one thing.since you already had back entry then use them as diversion.
you need to stop watching too many movies, ok?
it dont help you one bit..glass shots are dispersed in degrees and angles, muliple shooters are needed becus as you can see on the video- the dude didnt die by INSTANT OR RAPID KILL SHOTS, and he had all day going down the line killing people. thats where the LOSS was.
sangmouass 3 years ago
I think you need to concentrate on your airsoft ctf matches and let the police handle the real world. The hostage takers would have probably started to shoot hostages on any sign of a breach. The police didn't enter the store at all until the sniper gave the go. If they had attempted a rear diversion, the takers may have had more time to kill and hide behind hostages. Multiple snipers coordinating on the same target adds to the confusion and friendly fire deaths.
BruceNolanMN 3 years ago
"entry was made at the front, did you get that?"
Negative, genius... The breach was from the rear. The sniper shot came from the front. Once the SWAT cells made their way to the front from the rear the rest of the police officers entered the front. There was only one shooter left by that time and he was extinguished by one of the SWAT cells.
You should probably pull the police report next time, Einstein. You might have a better understanding when you have the facts.
joefarthole 3 years ago
"You might have a better understanding when you have the facts."
Like knowledge, sangmouass doesn't need facts. All he needs is "lol".
BruceNolanMN 3 years ago
I had never seen this with the audio before. It gave me chills. I will never forget this situation. I was glued to the t.v. all day long, watching and waiting ... knowing my husband was one of the hostages inside.
donnatroy66 3 years ago
I was working there but off that day - Dave Reese was very lucky.
guitarfish56 2 years ago
I know you cherish life just a little more than others!
-Stosa!
StoicTwo 2 years ago
Now that was truely one hell of a day.
Zeroman63 3 years ago