Another Seminar on Esgrima Lusitana Portuguese Fighting Way

[JeffDeBiase]

Hello Lidador, thanks for the upload, I bought Luis Preto's book. Could you please tell me the name of the song and the band in this vid. I like them :)

[lidador]

@JeffDeBiase No problem, it's the portuguese band "Xutos e Pontapés"  and the song " Não sou o único"

[JeffDeBiase]

@lidador Thanks for getting back!  Appreciate it.

[CBoavida]

Tá ali o Henrique Narciso, o meu mestre de ninjutsu do Porto!

[pmsousa75]

@CBoavida Ele ainda está no CCDTCMP ou mudou de sítio?

[CBoavida]

@pmsousa75 Epá, mudou, não sei para onde. Já não moro no norte. Põe no google" bujinkan tsuru dojo".

Tá lá tudo.

[pmsousa75]

@CBoavida Já o descobri e estivemos juntos ontem ao fim do dia. Mudou para a 5 de Outubro mas já vai mudar outra vez :P Foi pelo site do Dôjo que o descobri de novo... Thanks pela ajuda.

[CBoavida]

@pmsousa75 No problemo :-)

[MrGondomil]

Although I agree that JDP has a fencing quality to it, I think that its history is much older. The ancient Lusitanians had incorporated a short sword, most likely a form of the Gladius Hispaniensis, into the guerrilla fighting style that had helped them win many victories over Rome during the Punic wars of Rome and Carthage (Lusitianians were allied with Carthage). These ancient tribes were fighting a very close range combat, making this type of fighting style necessary.

[nunestojo]

É tudo gente de karate ou há também pessoas de Wu Shu? Obrigado.

[lidador]

Penso que não, do que me recordo, estava pessoal do Kenpo, Kombatan, Hapkido, Aikido, Jujutso, Karate, Ninjutsu, mas já foi à algum tempo.

Abraço.

[danisagres]

E para quando mais um seminário destes?

[SunTsuLuso]

Pesso imensa desculpa pelo comentário que deixei anteriormente, mas era referente a outro video, que nada tem a ver com este: Um video sobre a supostamente denominada arte marcial portuguesa "Pombo"!

[lidador]

Não há problema, já apaguei o comentário anterior.

Saudações.

[thomastaichi]

Thanks for a great video. I have never heard of jogo do pau even though my country had portuguse influence. I think it is an effective art by the way it is trained. I did some fencing before, do jogo do pau use fencing stepping as well? The name "esgrima" also mean fencing as well?

[lidador]

Yes it´s true, esgrima is the portuguese word for fencing. The low positions are the best for figthing so in that you could say there are similarities in JDP and Olimpic Fencing, but of course the use of a heavier weapon requires a diferent type of tecnhique.

[Aezured]

I was wondering, if Philippine Eskrima and Portuguese Esgrima is related.

Sorry I cant speak Portuguese :(

[lidador]

Well there are chances that the first Europeans, Portuguese and mostly Spanish would interact with some degree with local Filipino culture. In this case martial culture, so It might be true that at some point they are/where related. But in nowadays besides the obvious fact that both are fencing arts with sticks, applied from swordsmanship, there are differences principally on the fighting strategies.

[jpesperancatimor]

There is at least one arnis style that claims to be founded on the teachings of a Portuguese soldier/sailor who married a Filipina. Sorry, I don't remember the name of the style now. The European, mainly Spanish, influence is much bigger that people think. Only Filipinos who learned the art in USA will call it "kali". "Kali" is an invented tradition, created in the US. The traditional names in the Philippines are "arnis", "estokada" or "eskrima".

[jpesperancatradutor]

Look for the book Cebuano Eskrima: Beyond the Myth: "A more plausible theory on the origins of eskrima are presented in startling detail from its early beginnings as a defense against Moro pirates and slave traders and its later fusion with Spanish fencing through the Jesuit warrior priests during the pivotal years 1635-1644, the height of Spanish rapier fencing in Europe during the Renaissance"

[vguyver2]

There are other martial arts similar to Jogo Do Pau. If you were to study the various regional forms, you'd notice a lot of shared ideas and forms between Egyptian, Portuguese, Filipino, Spanish, Azores, South African, Middle Eastern, and I heard there were Eastern European forms used by Slavs.

[jpesperancatimor]

Treinos no Ateneu Comercial Português, Portas de Santo Antão, ao lado do Coliseu. Metro Restauradores ou Rossio. Era a escola do grande Mestre Ferreira, hoje sob orientação do seu sucessor Mestre Monteiro.

Pode ir praticar lá que será benvindo/a. E ainda por cima é barato!

[dewihartini]

I was told that people have to pay only 5 US$ a month. Is that correct?

[MeckelBot]

thats like, 3€, so i dont think so.

[honeyputdowndaknife]

im portuguese and ill tell you nothing here is cheap even if its cultural promotion

[jpesperancatimor]

In Ateneu the jogo do pau lessons were traditionally free of charge. When I had my first classes in Ateneu Comercial de Lisboa there were more masters practicing there than new students (and the great Mestre Ferreira was still alive and still training), and jogo do pau was seen as something to be taught to everybody who wanted to learn instead of being sold.

[jpesperancatimor]

In Ateneu the jogo do pau lessons were traditionally free of charge. When I had my first classes in Ateneu Comercial de Lisboa there were more masters practicing there than new students (and the great Mestre Ferreira was still alive and still training), and jogo do pau was seen as something to be taught to everybody who wanted to learn instead of being sold.

[jpesperancatimor]

The only money we had to pay was the fee to be a member of the Ateneu association, and that was 500 escudos monthly (about 2,5 euro). I expect the fee might be a little more money now.

[lidador]

Assim o eram pois a maioria dos praticantes do estágio eram mesmo praticantes de artes orientais. Escusado será dizer que ficaram boquiabertos com a qualidade técnica da Esgrima Lusitana. Mas o que vem "lá de fora" tem sempre outra "mística" mesmo que não tenha mais valor...

[MeckelBot]

hmm, pelo menos no meu caso não é isso, eu até prefiro as coisas por serem portuguesas, porque são uma herança cultural para todos nós, mas por exemplo, na esgrima normal, há muito maior amplitude, e talvez mais competições mesmo em portugal...

[duartecosta]

pena as vestimentas serem orientais

[jogadordepau]

podes crer, deviam de usar era uma samarra alentejana, né? rsrsrs

[VingatorViriathus]

deviem investir neste desporto fantástico,em vez da porcaria das touradas,continuem esta grande arte marcial, 5 estrelas

[Ronin2006x]

Para quando mais um seminário?

[Ronin2006x]

Excelente estágio, parabens à organização, votos de sucesso para a Esgrima Lusitana.