Commentary on Obama abortion position

[exodus21v20]

When people believe in bible's god, killing kids and fetuses becomes moral: Moses was angry with the officers of the army who returned from battle. "Have you allowed all the women to live? They were the ones who followed Balaam's advice and turned the Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague struck the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.[Num 31:14-18]

[FrenzyBullet]

Who are you, yet another born-again to Satan ex-christian preacher, now turned atheist, how pathetic. :(

[exodus21v20]

Bible god commands people to murder babies in the time of Saul for the sins of their ancestors 400 years prior during the Exodus:

This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' [1 Samuel 15:2-4]

Poor babies.

[goochieguy]

that is so true, they are fucking hypocrites in the most repugnant nefarious manner, such is the nature of corruption.

and there is a moral issue in harming or killing anyone for any reason

[One4theworld]

I get wat u mean abt killin babies n all. But its not really the best thing when u have been Raped brutally by a stranger and then u have to live with it for 9 months and always be reminded how u got your child and not only that BUT WHEN THE KID EVENTUALLY ASKS WHO'S MY DAD, OR MOMMY TELL ME ALL ABOUT HOW I CAME INTO THIS WORLD? Its making a choice B-4 U'r baby is even a baby. ITS AN EGG AND U put yourself 1st as a HUMAN B4 something that is not even a BEING YET! Am done.

[Porrages]

If a woman is raped she will live with it for the rest of her life, regardless of if she keeps the thing inside of her. That's the beauty of human memory. More than likely everytime she gets naked to bathe, she will remember the rape. When she has consensual sex, she will probably remember the rape. Saying that "keeping the baby will remind her of the rape" is a very poor argument.

[firebirdhome]

True, and further, 86% of rapes are committed by someone the survivor knows.

Only 3% of rapes result in pregnancy.62 percent of completed rapes occur by classmates or friends:The Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network 57 percent of rapes occur while out on a date 50% alcohol involved:The American Academy of Experts in Traumatic Stress. Incest results in next to nil in pregnancies also. Thus hardly any reasons exist to keep abortion on the books, except for killing responsibilities.

[dcdoublefact]

Hey man your doing an amazing job!! keep it up keep spreading the word of life! these people are all selfish and not selfless be Pro-life NOT Pro-Death

[ladyhawk989]

Very straightforward. 5 stars

[vaticanmafia69]

Abortion is a personal choice but there are laws. All religions are against aborting but their are rules to when u can abort. So if you were married you wife is carrying a baby inside her but the doctor said that the baby will hurt her pregenancy? Whom would you let survive?

[types10000]

@vaticanmafia69

i see the religious skum of the internet have started a thumbsdown campaign against you. creationists no doubt.

not to worry, anyone who bothers to read what you've said can see the validity in the points you raised.

religion often blinds people to what's important. there is a point a which the blob developes consciousness equal to that of a human, up until that point it should defintely be the mothers choice.

[vaticanmafia69]

The Pope maintains that abortion at any time constitutes murder. However, he concedes that 'the texts of Sacred Scripture never address the question of deliberate abortion and so do not directly and specifically condemn it.' Indeed, although he doesn't discuss this, for more than 1500 years the position of the Catholic Church on abortion was very close to that of the U.S. Supreme Court in Roe v. Wade: Early term abortion is not a mortal sin.

[dcdoublefact]

wow not mortal sin. killing is killing murder is murder death is death. so man people say pro choice but lets not be politically correct its pro- death and its pro - life you chose one. sin is sin. and the women who chooses to remain un-known is not CATHOLIC AND NOW GOES AGAINST WHAT SHE STARTED. she said she wished she had never faught for the roe v. wade. its all eugenics "abortion, sterilization, controceptives, " its all means of stopping life. you tell me how killing is not a mortal sin

[dcdoublefact]

sorry she is now catholic i put not catholic.

[vaticanmafia69]

In 1621 a Roman doctor, Paulo Zacchia, suggested that there was no biological basis for Aristotle's view that ensoulment was delayed for some time after conception. Zacchia was the most honoured physician in the papal court, yet his view had no impact on papal theological teaching. The Vatican issued a pastoral directive permitting but not enforcing the baptism of foetuses less than forty days.

[vaticanmafia69]

mmediately after Sixtus died, Gregory XIV realized that, in the current state of theological opinion, Sixtus' view was too severe. In an almost unique decision, he said Sixtus' censures were to be treated as is he had never issued them. Popes can be precipitate. They never did have answers up their sleeve to ongoing moral problems. Moral judgments depend on facts and circumstances, all of which must be kept under review.

[vaticanmafia69]

Even after forty days, though it was homicide, it was not as serious as killing a person already born, since it was not done in hatred or revenge. His successor, the tempestuous Sixtus V, who rewrote the Bible, disagreed entirely. In his Bull Effraenatum of 1588, he said all abortions for whatever reason were homicide and were penalized by excommunication reserved to the Holy See.

[vaticanmafia69]

History shows that popes, far from being able to solve these difficult moral dilemmas once and for all, were as mystified as anyone else They had no access to privileged information. They had to put forward arguments that were subject to rebuttal. For example, Gregory XIII (1572-85) said it was not homicide to kill an embryo of less than forty days since it was not human.

[vaticanmafia69]

For example, when it results from rape or incest or even from adultery, thus threatening the husband's rights and the marriage itself. The same dilemma arose in the case of a mother whose health would be endangered if she had to bring a foetus to full term. Was it not a moral duty to save a human life at the expense of a non_human if potentially human life? Some of the best theologians answered Yes.

[vaticanmafia69]

In the fifteenth century, moralists began to ask whether it was not possible in certain circumstances to get rid of the foetus without fault.

[vaticanmafia69]

It followed that to abort a foetus in the early stages of pregnancy was wrong, since it was the destruction of a potential human being. It was not murder, since it was not the killing of an actual human being.

[vaticanmafia69]

The characteristics of the foetus were attributed solely to the father. It (and it was correct to refer to the embryo as `it') became human at forty days for the male and eighty days for the female. A female resulted, said Aquinas, from defective seed or from the fact that conception took place when a damp wind was blowing.

[vaticanmafia69]

From the fifth century, the church accepted without question the primitive embryology of Aristotle. The embryo began as a non-human speck that was progressively animated. This speck had to evolve from vegetative, through animal to spiritual being. Only in its final stage was it a human being. This is why Gratian was able to say: `He is not a murderer who brings about abortion before the soul is in the body.'

[vaticanmafia69]

Most Catholics assume that the soul is infused at conception. They may take it as an article of faith. In fact it is not. Vatican II deliberately left the issue aside and for a very good reason. For fourteen hundred years until late in the nineteenth century, all Catholics, including the popes, took it for granted that the soul is not infused at conception. If the church was wholly opposed to abortion, as it was, it was not on the basis of the conceptus starting as a human being.

[vaticanmafia69]

Most Catholics assume that the soul is infused at conception. They may take it as an article of faith. In fact it is not. Vatican II deliberately left the issue aside and for a very good reason. For fourteen hundred years until late in the nineteenth century, all Catholics, including the popes, took it for granted that the soul is not infused at conception. If the church was wholly opposed to abortion, as it was, it was not on the basis of the conceptus starting as a human being.

[infidelhillbilly]

obama says a baby that survives a botched abortion and is born ALIVE is NOT a person and does not deserve medical attention to save it's life. these baby are BORN ALIVE.

obama is the WORST of the worst!!!

check out my video where I talk about how pro abortionist bottomfeeders and nazis are very much alike.

obama also loves the company of anti american pastors like jeremiah wright. I better be quiet before someone says I am racist for speaking the truth.

pro choice = pro genocide

[roac7777]

On law, citizens do not pass laws, Law lords pass laws, they do in England so I imagine they do in America

[roac7777]

Abortion is legal in America because the country does not want to go back to the days of illegal abortion, where many young women died during or after the procedure.

Its the woman's choice no one else's business

[poetsonghotmail]

The people of the United States never voted for legalized abortion nor did we ever elect an official who legalized it.

[roac7777]

I will have to take your word on that as Im a British citizen. However abortion is legal in America, the Supreme Court of America passed it saying its the legal right of every woman to have an abortion if she wanted to.

[superchef307]

There are many factors for a woman to want to have a abortion. I know rape is the most common since it's the most tragic. Consider the health of the mother, if a doctor tells you, you will die if you have this baby, what choice would you make? There are other questions to ask, why have a child if he/she cannot be taken care of? financially? emotionally? physically? There are women in the world who abuse this choice but it doesn't mean that the choice should be taken away.

[poetsonghotmail]

If you do some research you will find out that rape as a cause of abortion is extremely rare and abortion to protect the mother was legal even in Catholic Louisiana before Roe v.s. Wade. But things like financially and emotionally (as if abortion is not emotionally damaging) are not the sort of factors that stack up against a humans life.

[superchef307]

I never said abortion from rape was the most common reason merely the most common argument given. How can you say reasons of finance and emotion are not a factor? What if a mother has no way to provide for a child whether it be giving the child the attention they deserve or the proper upbringing with food and clothing and all that. What would you rather see no child or a child who has been neglected and suffer from malnourishment. This is a matter of choice not law, if you dont agree dont do it.

[poetsonghotmail]

Infants put of for adoption are always adopted so there is not reason to believe the child would not have the things it needs. Also, we are talking about a humans life here not just anything can trump that.

[superchef307]

well maybe if you did some research on adoption you would know that not all kids are adopted. Also more tax money is diverted into programs that support adoption agencies which takes away from other programs such as education. We obviously agree to disagree, but the bottom line is abortion is a choice for women to make, unless you are able to have babies a person does not have any say in the matter. You are more than welcome to have your opinion, but keep it to yourself.

[poetsonghotmail]

You should do some research INFANTS put up for adoption get adopted. I think tax money is weak response against human lives. Certainly, part of a right to an opinion is a right to express that opinion.

Abortion damages the woman of course but also effects everyone especially the baby. Like roughly half of all women I believe in standing up for the lives of children.

[sacking3]

so really theres pros and cons to it.

[sacking3]

Abortion should stay legal!

Women who are raped sometimes can not even bare the thought of bringing that child into their lives.

there should be the option of abortion there so the wrong mother doesnt have to raise a child at such a young age. and haves to drop out of school.

and also there are people who just dont have the money and they dont want the baby to suffer and not have a future because the mother is living broke or in the streets!

[dvcRaNT]

There are people born today that are the result of rape. After they are born should the mother have the right to determine whether or not they continue to live? If not, why should she have this right before they are born. The person is exactly the same, just older.

If the mother doesn't want her baby to suffer as a poor person (like herself) she shouldn't kill the baby. Would she want someone to kill her because she is poor? She should let a family adopt the baby.

[sacking3]

thats the thing!

there arnt that many ppl being adopted right now. theres a slim chance that the baby will.

theres ppl who get pregnet in a young age and the person who got the girl pregnet will say no im not ready to be a father! forced to be a single mother and need to drop out of school and forget about her future. lots of times a baby could ruin someones future!

[AbsoluteImpertinence]

Do you honestly think a rapist will be dumb enough to attack a girl without wearing a condom? Come on dude, with all the stds going around you'd have to literally be retarded. Plus, women rarely get pregnant after rape, and even more rarely abort the baby when they do. It almost never happens. I keep looking at statistics from several sources and it all comes up the same. Only 1% of women have abortions due to rape. Probably less.

[sacking3]

and what about teenagers getting pregnet. young as 13 years old. you dont want to see a girl that young needing to take care of a kid!

[AbsoluteImpertinence]

Maybe her parents should work harder in teaching her self-respect and responsibility.

[sacking3]

yeahhhh!

you dont got an answer for that one huh!

people make mistakes all the time, and throwing her future away shouldnt be her consequence.

[dvcRaNT]

How about the consequence be giving up the baby for adoption rather than making THE BABY pay with a death sentence!

[AbsoluteImpertinence]

O_o... what? I thought what I said came clear, but I guess not. I was saying maybe parents should work harder to instill into their childrens' values that they don't need sex to be happy. What will the girl learn if she gets pregnant and then presto! abortion, problem solved. Where's the character in that? We should focus more on keeping our children children, and not making them mini adults. Besides, you got off topic. I was talking about rape, not children having sex and giving birth.

[sacking3]

i think a girl getting pregnet does learn from the mistake . i didnt get off topic either, this is about abortion so theres many reasons. heres a example! a teenager is living in poverty and just got pregnet and ofcourse the father doesnt want to be a father. a mother shouldnt suffer ok. i understand that you probably live in a nice neighborhood like lots of americans do but theres ppl who struggle just to get by and a baby on the way, they just cant give that baby the proper treatment it needs

[poetsonghotmail]

Planned Parenthood has a record of not turning over information about men who impregnate adolescent girls.

[annpetasupporter]

"Do you honestly think a rapist will be dumb enough to attack a girl without wearing a condom?"

Sure it's dumb, but they do it all the time...

[ozredneck22]

Brilliant vid, keep it up. Obama needs to be exposed for his position on the BAIPA bill.

[kurd55]

Well, given the choice between that of the mother deciding and creepy freaks like you, I choose the mother. Hopefully you don't masturbate, killer! And unlike you, he doesn't PRESUME he knows better than the mother does. "And every person watching this now, was once a zygote too"---big fucking whoopdee-do! That insane, vapid "concerned" look on yer face is hilarious!

[thoughflow2]

For all of those who claim against his live abortion vote, consider the following:

He cannot EVER pass any law like that so who cares

The live abortion would probably only be used for newborns who will die soon anyway, to end their suffering. I don't like it either, but why put infants through so much pain?

I personally believe abortions should only be used in extreme cases, but this isn't the issue to think about now. How about worrying about the soldiers in Iraq? They're living people too.

[3swelldogs]

Approximate number of African American deaths since 1973

AIDS: 203,695

Violent Crimes: 306,313

Accidents: 370,723

Cancer: 1,538,350

Heart Disease: 2,266,789

Abortion: 13 million

Stats from blackgenocide org

Obama wants to raise the number of black women having abortions.

[eddieyorke]

Abortion is painless to a lump of cells, that cannot have an effect on the earth. AIDS, Violent crimes, acidents, cancer and heart disease effects thoughtful people painfully. "I think therefore i am"

[3swelldogs]

obama is even for killing children after they are out of the womb...he voted against the "infants for alive protections act" in his home state...are you going to tell me that those babies that are alive and out of the womb are just a bunch of cells and that the baby doesn't feel pain?

[eddieyorke]

who else are you gonna vote for? Another war mongering pyschopath? I tell you, because these people have power, they get what they want, whoever dies with the most toys wins. If you hate it so much, forget about practicalities, leave your "insured" life behind, and leave that country, hell, i might just be a teenager, but i gotta say, you adults sure do let people walk all over you.

[3swelldogs]

actually obama himself has hinted in going to war...only different places. so what is your point? Islamic terrorists are all over the world we are only attacking them in a small part. would you do me a favor and look up here on youtube iran, islamic jihad, islam ideas spreading to other countries.

[eddieyorke]

no.. they are all war mongering, after all, you all need a reason for those thousands of nuclear warheads. These years of propaganda, power words like, islam and terrorist and jihad, pumped into you over the years so that you too support the war for oil, america was just waiting for 9/11, so they could farm that oil out, some say it was planned by high powered business men so that the war on "terror" could go on, im only 16 though so what do i know? I dont believe any of media driven 9/11 hype.

[3swelldogs]

then all I can say is fly down to new york and see if the people who actually live there thought it was all hype.

[eddieyorke]

i didnt say i thought it was hype, i was using it as an example of how the media jumped to use it as propagandral tool.

[TANLiN3]

You were once a "lump of cells"; just like everyone else. You have no idea what affect any aborted person would have had on this earth; they were denied their opportunity to live. Everyone only gets one chance to live; once they die its over. Geniuses capable of finding the cure to AIDS, cancer and heart disease may have been aborted. You have no idea.

[eddieyorke]

when i was a lump of cells, if i had been aborted, i dont think i would really care, i dont care if i had been aborted now. and tough shit if "smart" people have been aborted, most likely those people would have been brought up by teenagers without any support, and become just like thier parents, or worse. I do agree that in some cases there are alternatives, but what people do with thier own bodies is none of your or anyone elses business. We dont argue because you use bleach, killing bacteria

[wolfn12]

see if you don't care you really cant have a viable position on the issue, plus if you dont' want a baby 1. dont have sex 2. use a condom 3. use birth control. other people shouldnt have to suffer death because their parents couldnt 'deal' with them. i'd rather have been adopted than dead. everyone has a right to life, people shouldnt end anothers chance to live

[AbsoluteImpertinence]

You sure are an arrogant prick. Get your girlfriend pregnant one day, let her have an abortion, stay by her side through all the emotional trauma she'll go through for months afterward, then see how much people "don't care" about that "lump of cells". Babies don't ask to be born, just like they don't ask to be killed. News flash, it IS a big freaking deal. It's life or death. It's all or nothing. Get a grip with the reality of life you live in.

[eddieyorke]

i have a grip, and i am very in touch with my right to have an opinion, i also share my opinion with my people. To think that as humans, as animals, we lack the compassion to prevent pain and suffering by using painless methods, is a thought that really makes me wonder how out of touch lots of people are, i accept you view, okay people dont like killing stuff, but accept mine. end of, no more replies, think what you like, i know i will.

[ND066]

What about me? Was I a zygote?

Just kidding. Good Video. Good points.

If Barack can't make a moral judgment like this, what moral judgment can we presume he could make?

[SFsolano]

Obama attacks the Bible openly

watch youtube video

"Baraka Obama attacks the Bible openly"

by islam4noone

[SFsolano]

I thought Obama go to church and he should be against the abortion. Christians believe life begins when conception takes a place and killing unborn child is considered as a murder in God's eyes. God alone hold the key to life.

[SFsolano]

I don't have no one vote for ?

[yodavater]

TANLiN3 makes some very good points in his video, and I agree with all of them.

[erdingerweiss]

Great commentary- thank you for this video!

[DameDiabolique]

And in a sense, we already have our own form of abortion that can be bought by filling out a sheet of paper and forking $60 at a pharmacy. It's called the Morning After Pill. If the religious/Anti-Abortion fanatics want to get rid of Abortion, then why promote the morning after pill and birth control and condoms? These people are hypocrites!

[3swelldogs]

well if you are referring to me I also consider that killing. you should see some of these people coming in with a happy face buying the product. they don't don't even need a sheet of paper...all they have to do is show I.D. ...men can buy the product as well. and I'VE NEVER heard a religious group that is against abortion promote this. please show me where that is done...I really want to see for myself.

[AlbuterolMonkey]

It's unborn, it's not a person, it has no rights. It's not a kid, it's an embryo.

It cannot sign a binding contract.

When you really get right down to it, an unborn child that cannot survive outside of the womb is a parasite, not another person.

[3swelldogs]

interesting...so you are saying its ok to kill a one year old because it can't sign a contract. interesting.

[apeman1986]

wrong person (sarcasm)

[3swelldogs]

I'll can see a parasite all right...that would be you.

[EvilPenguinz]

3swellogs when I said its a hard choice its my opinion so you're saying what I believe is wrong? I believe you should not have sex if you are not ready both mentally or financially . abortions are gonna happen if its legal or not.

I believe poor people should not have kids and if any just ONE, u cant bring a kid or kids to die because they cant eat,I believe thats worse than a abortion

[TANLiN3]

You should not have sex unless you're married! Crimes will occur whether or not laws exist. Some poor people are better parents than some rich people. I agree that torturing someone to death is worse than murdering them quickly.

[3swelldogs]

and once again...if you aren't ready don't spread your legs...I knew and understood that concept 40 years ago...are you telling me that kids just all of a sudden got stupid??? they KNOW all the consequences of their actions and are given an easy way out. also keep in mind...you really think it was "A" mistake...nope...it wasn't. odds are those people were just banging around having sex on a whim.

[DameDiabolique]

And how could you equate the life of a child, a choice like that, with tonsils? Equate it with something that actually lives. For example, humans neuter dogs and cats to control the animal population. What right do we have to do that. The animals might WANT to procreate and what right do we as humans have to control their population, yet you want to give the government the right to control ours? Pathetic and Hypocritical. We kill off the animal species and increase extinction rates all the time!

[TANLiN3]

The government does not have any right to control our population. In a civilized society laws are created to protect the innocent. That protection applies to the weakest, strongest, youngest and oldest. We are at our youngest when we are zygotes.

[DameDiabolique]

First problem with your theory: there is still a huge debate on whether life begins after birth or conception. If life begins at birth, than the unborn child is not living and therefore cannot make a choice. If life begins at conception, then of course killing a baby is murder, however, you are arguing that "The kid has a say on whether it lives or dies." An infant whether born or unborn does not have the brain capacity to make ANY decisions.

More later

[TANLiN3]

People debate anything even when the truth is obvious. I am not arguing that the kid has a say on whether it lives or dies. I am saying that like everyone else, it has a right to life. That right exists regardless of his/her thinking capacity.

[4fluffywaffle4]

it is their right to have an obortion

[dvcRaNT]

Natural law does not give anyone the "right" to kill an innocent person.

[ChulaKirby]

Why do you speak of abortion when in fact he supports infanticide. In his congressional record of fighting the Born Alive Infant protection Act he said a baby that is born but hasn't been carried the full term shouldn't be protected as a person. He tried to justify the dead babies that had been born alive but left to die on hospital shelves in a Chicago Hospital.

[3swelldogs]

I totally agree...not to mention the face that he wants to give them a choice as though they didn't have a choice to begin with. (unless a woman is raped) if they already made a bad decision before what makes obama think that they'll make a good decision now??

[EvilPenguinz]

This is a very hard topic because there will never be a correct answer but what I do believe is that preteens and teens should not be having sex unless they are ready to take care of another person, I personally do not see a reason to have sex when you are 13 as many girls are now starting to have sex at that age. Baning abortion isn't going to solve much since some do carry the baby and Boom its now a garbage baby which is tragic.

[TANLiN3]

This topic is not hard at all. The correct answer is thou shalt not kill. Fornication is also wrong; sexual activity is supposed to be reserved for marriage. Sex is not intended for some disposable relationship. However, when it is treated in that manner; the innocent person created as a result of the activity is often treated the same way (something to be disposed.)

[DameDiabolique]

But that is the religion talking. We cannot put Christianity in EVERYTHING. Religion is not fact. It is all just belief, opinion, fantasy. We must base things on facts and science and philosophy if we must. But not Theology.

[TANLiN3]

Where did you get religion from? Christianity is never even mentioned. The arguments have absolutely nothing to do with religion. Please listen again.

[DameDiabolique]

All of your arguments scream Christian rhetoric. You argued the same way that the religious groups against abortion are arguing. You even used the "No sex before marriage" argument against someone else here. It's the same argument that the religious fanatics use to justify Anti-Abortion laws and to justify burning down clinics and assaulting doctors. It's pathetic.

[3swelldogs]

what IS pathetic is people getting diseases and wanting everyone else to pay for the cure...like aids. its very costly...but mainly preventable in the first place. btw...I'm NOT christian. however a little common sense goes a long way...don't want a baby inside you don't spread your legs. what is wrong with that concept???

[3swelldogs]

not a hard choice...when you start to kill humans or anything that will be a human you are walking down a dangerous path. who can we eliminate next?? a blind child at birth? obama opposed the infants save the child act. he's willing to kill the child AFTER its born. you seriously don't think he'll take it farther??? or others for that matter? how about that gay child?? lets get rid of that one too. I wanted a child with blue eyes...that one too.

[DameDiabolique]

Now you are using the same fear mongering tactics the Republicans use...

[3swelldogs]

then you also need to listen to obama...he has said things like IRAN IS A THREAT.

[DameDiabolique]

I can't really comment on that issue, but I think that it is somewhat unrelated to this topic. I do know that Obama wants to negotiate peace with Iran and to work out it's conflict with Israel. McCain just wants to bomb the fucking place and kill innocent people and add 100 more years in Iraq. So I am wondering, who is the better choice, again?

[3swelldogs]

it would be ignorant to think that the problems surrounding Israel with talking. People are acting like they haven't been talking already...in fact thats ALL they've been doing is talking. this problem should have been resolved ages ago and it wasn't now it will fall on us. can't believe you even said that about talking...don't you read the freaking papers???

[DameDiabolique]

Oh, I read the papers alright. I read just recently that Syria and Iran have been coming to the USA for months to try to negotiate peace treaties with President Bush. They came up with a very good one where they were going to release all of their POWs and return the GAZA strip; a really good one that the President refused. You can find those articles in Al Jaazara and the Jerusalem Post.

I read the international news, not our water-downed, fear mongering, domestic papers.

[3swelldogs]

really??? and just what did WE have to give up??

[apeman1986]

No Iran with nukes is not a threat! There government is the most loving people and dont hate anyone. What could a couple of nukes do anyways?

[DameDiabolique]

From the papers that I have read from Iran, they claim that they don't even have a nuclear program and that this is all a scam brought on by the Bush administration. Bush claims that Iran and Syria got nukes from North Korea and the Iranians are saying that it is an all out lie. So I really don't know that to think on the issue, which is why I don't want to comment on it.

[apeman1986]

Do some more research Iran last week said they will never stop there nuke plants and north Korea allready has tested a nuke.

[apeman1986]

No Iran with nukes is not a threat! There government is the most loving people and dont hate anyone. What could a couple of nukes do anyways?

[silvermoon577]

I agree! "Pro-choice" is Pro-abotion!

[rabanito172]

It is very easy for some people to just comment on a subject which they do not have to be injured personally.I believe that Mr Fox is just another one of those obama supporters that when you ask them why are you going to vote for him their reply is "I dont Know I just like the guy, I just love him."

[rabanito172]

Excellent Video, and excellent debate, Tanlin I really appreciate this video, I am a prolife person, and I would never vote for anyone that its (morally,proabortion) ...(Barack Obama). The only question I have For Mr Foxmanphd is What Would he have told his mother if his mother was just about to abort him.

[bigjerre]

Good insights.  5/5

[MrsDoGood]

Obama voted against allowing medical treatment for a fetus that survived the 'procedure,' sometimes for hours. Even The National Abortion Rights Action League was in favor of the Born Alive Infant Protection Act. Obama voted against it. Only a genuine evil person could be more pro- abortion than NARAL.

[gkapoor2]

before the zygote there was fusion between the sperm and the egg.... does that mean that every time you masturbate you are committing murder?

In my opinion the moral issue that was being discussed by Obama was weather the unborn child would grow up in a world full of misery where it would be without a proper family, in poverty or would a single parent have the courage and determination at whatever age there at to raise a child of their own.

[TANLiN3]

Sperm just has the DNA of the dad and an egg just has the DNA of the mom. If they were allowed to continue to live naturally they would not grow into the next stage of human development so masturbation is not murder. However, the unification of a sperm and an ovum to form a zygote constitutes fertilization which is the first stage of human development. Snuff out human life at any stage and you NEVER see that person on earth again. Who are we to decide that ANY innocent person is better off dead?

[gkapoor2]

Philosophical point of view:

How can you call this zygote a person. A person is defined as a self conscious rational being and a zygote is neither self conscious nor rational until it reaches further development.

Law point of view

Any country recognizes a citizen only on the basis of where it is born, not conceived hence the zygote is not a citizen it does not have any rights or duties and any such a "person" cannot be protected by the law.

[TANLiN3]

Therefore, anyone in a coma is not a person. Arbitrary definitions of humanity are great for denying a class of people their human rights. German law effectively applied this concept to persecute the Jews as did the United States to justify slavery.

[FoxmanPhD]

As a former "Pro-Choicer" I agree with alot of what you say, and that most Pro-Choice people are brain dead non-thinking hypocrites. I believe that late term abortion should be outlawed, but I'm not so sure that a zygote has personhood. Does microscopic life that can't feel pain have personhood? What about a sperm cell or an egg cell?

[TANLiN3]

What about people that have Congenital Insensitivity to Pain with Anhidrosis (CIPA) a rare disease which causes one to lose their feeling of pain? Since these people don't feel pain should they be denied personhood? When we were zygotes we had the same DNA we have today, the only difference is age.

[FoxmanPhD]

Sometimes when women menstrate they expell conceived embryos in very early stages. Do you honestly think that that is equavilent to having a miscairage at the sixth month of pregnancy? Would you honestly say that a zygote has the same rights as you or me? I'm sorry but I disagree with you on that one. I also think that to be consistently Pro-Life you must oppose Death Penalty and unnecessary war, which is one reason I voted for Ron Paul; the only consistently Pro-Life politician I know of.

[TANLiN3]

Is a 60 year old man more valuable than a 6 year old boy or 6 month old fetus or a 6 day after conception person? The only difference is age. If someone killed you when you were only 6 days in the womb you would unfairly be denied your opportunity to live. Everyone has only ONE chance, snuff out the life and you NEVER see that person on earth again. I am against the death penalty. However, it is not inconsistent to be for the death penalty; it can be a just punishment for the guilty.

[FoxmanPhD]

But both a Fetus and a 60 year old man can survive outside of a uterus. A zygote can't. If it really can't survive outside of the uterus how could it be classified as a person, wouldn't it be the equivelent to an ameoba or a tape worm? But if it can survive outside of the uterus it is hypocrticial to tell doctors they can kill it when it's inside the uterus, but that they have an obligation to do all they can to save it when it's outside. Sorry if my ideas offend you.

[TANLiN3]

Sometimes a fetus or a 60 year old man cannot survive without extensive care, technology and attention. Do they cease to be classified as persons when they require this intervention? If technology increases to the point where a zygote CAN survive and continue to grow then would it be acceptable to classify it as a person? Amoebas and tape worms continue to be amoebas and tape worms they don't grow into people. Your ideas don't offend me.

[FoxmanPhD]

A 60 year old man and premature baby are both humans even if they need medical technology to survive outside the womb. If technology could keep a zygote alive then yes, you would have to classify that as a human, but medical technology has not advanced that far (and probably never will). I gues the tapeworm analogy not so great, I guess blood cells would be a better analogy. Blood cells can't continue to grow and survive outside of the body, so no problem with killing them, same with zygotes.

[TANLiN3]

The current level of technology should not be used to define whether or not anybody is a person. It will define whether or not we can SAVE someone. However, not having the technology to save someone if one hypothetically changes their environmental conditions does not mean that one NOW has the RIGHT to kill them. If one were able to keep blood cells alive outside of the body they would not naturally grow into the next stage of a person like a zygote would.

[AnonimoParaSiempre]

I would like to see Obama answering questions to people who survived abortion, people who were tried to be killed in their mothers' whomb but survived, there are many. What would he tell them?

[Tashpeters]

Thank you for posting this video. Just know there are others that feel the same way about abortion as you do.

[TANLiN3]

This video is not one looong talk. It is a short series of ideas spoken by Obama during a speech with an opposing opinion presented after each.