yes but my friend, u r missing a point. many pro-choice advocates don't believe the unborn is a "child" or human being and so they don't have rights to begin with.
No one wins. Your point is a flaw in our way of thinking. In my prefect world I would analyze the woman. If she is a productive member of society with a hard job then I would allow an abortion so that she may continue with her career. If the pregnant one is unemployed and has excellent motherhood traits then I would force birth. If she were worthless I would kill them both.
@coolbji You must be unemployed to think of that well-thought out response. At least you are contributing your wise remarks to the society of Youtube. You shall be saved my friend.
Abortion....the cool thing to do now....nothing justifies murder no matter how you phrase. Murder is murder whether the person is born, unborn, in a coma....from time of conception it is a living human with rights that most over look. And what about the father's rights....it's his child too
@mwjayjr You need to look up what 'murder' means. It is a legal term for an illegal homicide with malicious intent. Abortion is not illegal, nor does a woman do it with malicious intent. It is not murder, homicide - yes, murder- no. Even if abortion were to be illegalized, it still would not qualify as murder. The man gets no official say, it is not his body that would be forced to gestate the ZEF. He can voice his opinion, but it is 100% her choice because she is the one giving her body up.
@khammock9 Murder: The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. That sounds like abortion to me. And what is she giving up her body for, she doesn't get sacrificed in some primitive fashion, she doesn't lose anything by going full term. It's a lie fed to people to make the kill easier. No one loses anything there is only gain.
@mwjayjr UNLAWFUL. Since when is abortion unlawful? Oh yeah...it's not. Carrying to full term and giving birth is 9 times more dangerous than getting an abortion, this is a statistic from the CDC and The Guttmacher Institute. Have you looked at possible (and the commonality) complications gestation and birth can have on a women? A woman can lose a lot of things by going full term, up to and including her life. You have been fed the anti-choice lies, and bought into their propoganda.
@khammock9 Murder doesn't have to have malicious intent, read the definition. I don't have time in my life to waste to continue this, look it up all over youtube, women who had abortions speak out against it, and a person with some good fact is "theprolifeguy" he's done tons of research to prove pro-choice is pro-murder
@mwjayjr dictionary com is not enough to give a proper explanation of what qualifies as murder. You need to look in a legal dictionary and legal books. I am saying it's not murder from reasoning from many lawyer friends; as well as looking back before Roe v Wade at the cases then...it was not EVER charged or punished as other (real) murders. Yes, some women do regret their abortion...most do not. That's fine go on with your life, you will not (nor will any anti choicer) ever change my mind.
@witch26071 You are allowed to have that opinion. But you are not allowed to force your morality on others by law and should not do it by shaming or condemning. I know many people who think abortion is wrong but would never want it illegal or unavailable because they know women will find a way to have it done (so at least it can be done safely) and they also know that they cannot push their views on others.
@witch26071 You would be suprised (maybe not if you have been closely following all the bills that have been getting purposed and passed against women's reproductive rights) how many people who do not understand that. I have no issue with people having opposing view points from mine, but I do have a problem with them trying to force their views on me; and that is what is trying to be done with this war on women. It frightens me, not going to lie. I am glad that you do understand it though!
The rights of the unborn are trumpeted all the time by all kinds of people, including members of Congress, leading academics, and even people like Michael McConnell who become Federal Judges. Just because it hasn't PREVAILED doesn't mean it hasn't been argued.
As for the "contradiction" of relative rights, the biggest part of the abortion debate is whether a first trimester fetus is a person or not. If not, as most pro-choicers (myself included) contend, then that discussion is moot.
@setdan if a first trimester baby isn't a person then right now you aren't a person either. you cannot just change your species, one fertilized the unborn is HUMAN not a fetus, that is just a term used to dehumanize what the women is carrying
@mwjayjr Why? You can't just assert that I'm the same as a fetus, you're the one who wants to restrain a woman's freedom: burden of proof is on you. I'll tell you why I'm different than a 1st trimester fetus: higher brain function. Thought. Emotion. A first trimester fetus has the neural capacity of a slug. Sensation, rudimentary organs, nothing more. If you wanna throw the "coma patient" hypothetical at me, an adult in a permanent coma doesn't have the same rights as a functional person either.
@setdan At 9 weeks the unborn has 90% of the body function is the same as a full grown adult. And only slightly after the fist trimester (18 week) it can reason and has memory. And actually the coma patient has the same rights because they are living and breathing and anything done to them while in that state carries heavier penalties than if you did it to some person on the street.
@mwjayjr See, now you're saying things that just aren't true. A coma patient has the same rights as a person in the street? Then why can a family take a brain-dead relative off the ventilator? If they drove to grandma's house while she was conscious and put two slugs in her, that's very different.
And if you're going to claim that an 18 week old fetus has the capacity to reason you'd best post a link to a refereed journal of medicine cause I call bull****
@mwjayjr No. Personhood is a right gained at birth. No one is arguing that it is not human, of course it's human...what welse could it be? A kangaroo? No. Personhood and human/species are completely different things. Yes it is a fetus, it is the legally and medically accurate term; as is blastocyst, zygote and embryo. Modern terminology says a 'baby' is what a fetus become AFTER birth. You really need to go purchase a dictionary and learn some etymology so you can have an educated debate.
@khammock9 but that's the problem people don't give the unborn their rights because "they're not a person" but it's obviously a person, dehumanizeing is what pro-choicers are doing. If they told every women that killing their unborn child was killing another person I can almost promise you that the abortion rate would drop by more than half over night, because then it would bother them that they are killing someone like them
@mwjayjr How do you give a ZEF rights? A SS card? Have age be recognized by a 'date of conception' instead of birth? Please tell me how to legally give a fetus the same rights as those who are born. I have asked many anti's to do this, and none have succeeded. They cant tell women they are 'killing another person' because they are not....women have abortions to not be pregnant, if an artificial uterus or an transpant to a donor was available I garuntee women who opt for that over abortion,
@mwjayjr continued..... espcially if the state would put that as an option and pay before it goes up for adoption after birth. Women have abortions to not be pregnant (for many reasons) but not to kill their ZEF, death is a side effect not the 1st cast intended action. I have been on the pro-choice side for years, worked with tons and tons of women...and they all know the developmental stages to a ZEF and they know if its alive, none of these things matter though. Her body, her choice.
Bringing the ZEF's 'rights' (which do not exist unless the woman is killed while pregnant) would then trump the womans right to bodily autonomy. So one way or another someones rights get trumped. The woman is the one who is sentient, pain feeling and capable of emotion, a ZEF is not capable of any of those, the ZEF does not know it's being or was aborted whereas if the woman is forced to gestate, she is well aware of the atrocity being forced on her. My body, my choice.
@khammock9 the unborn baby can feel pain contrary to what you believe. as soon as the egg is fertilized life begins, the brain come and by week 3 there is a heart, when the nervous system develops the unborn is capable of feeling emotions pain suffering everything but basic thing like sight smell taste sound and touch.
@mwjayjr Science has proven that a fetus cannot feel pain until at least 20 weeks. Most places to not allow elective abortions after 20 weeks The spinal cord is not connected to the brain before then, until those are connected nothing can feel pain. People refer to the 'silent scream' videos and try to agrue that it can feel pain, but what you are seeing is a natural reflex reaction. It's like when you go to the doctor and they hit your knee and it causes you to kick...it's a reflex reaction.
@mwjayjr More so (I ran out of space before) The development does not matter. The woman has legal rights, the fetus does not. Forcing her to gestate is forcing her into involuntary servitude to the fetus....which is unconstitutional. No one can use anothers body without their continuous consent no matter how the situation was created. One cannot be forced to give blood or organs to save a life and that is what is happening during a pregnancy...it is the woman giving her body to the fetus, but it
@khammock9 continued.... but it is her CHOICE to do so. I would love to see abortions be no longer needed; I think everyone would...and to make that happen I think people need to stop focusing on abortion laws and focus on sex education, prevention, more effective birth control and contraceptives, make sterilization easier to access, and fix the state systems and health care so they will supprt a woman who is faced with an unwanted pregnancy much better and/'or so the future child can be placed
@mwjayjr Continued again....placed with a safe, loving, caring and responsible home, NOT stuck in the state system being bounced from home to home with a high chance of getting abused. I say fix these things first, THEN look into abortion laws and rights. Women who want an abortion will find a way to get one no matter what, so lets first do everything possible to make she she is not put in that position, then if she is make sure she can be provided with a safe and sterile procedure.
@khammock9 brain activity cannot be recorded until then, doesn't mean it's not there. She doesn't serve the unborn child she carries it, murder is unconstitutional also. What does she give but a place for the baby to gestate. There is already 100% birth prevention, it's call "abstain" you can't get pregnant if you don't have sex. Sex education in schools is actually part of the problem, it is the parents job to teach that, and schools tell you to wear a condom and take birth control.
@mwjayjr But when the spinal cord and cortex are not connected, nothing can be registered in the brain. Thats what happens when someone becomes a paraplegic...they cannot feel whats going on in their body because the brain has to recognize it. And it's not murder again, 1) the ZEF has not gained personhood 2) its nto done with malicious intent 3) its not illegal. She absolutely serves the fetus! When you're pregnant you cant to many things soley bc of that ZEF. What culture do you live in? ....
@mwjayjr continued.... Have you seen American culture?!?! You want people to abstain from sex when that is what is constantly shoved in their face everywhere? Ha, good luck with that. I am talking about an OCP that is 100% effective, hell or sterilization. I have been to 9 doctors trying to get a tubal ligation and none will do it bc I dont have kids. Well yeah, no shit...thats bc I dont want kids, hence the tubal ligation. And not all schools give proper sex ed. THey may say......
@mwjayjr continued again..... They may say 'use a condom and get birth control'...but thats it. There is no public school comprehensive sex ed like there needs to be. ANd parents should also teach it, but they dont. Ohio, has abstinince only ed, our governener just signed the budget to only allow that. Before then, when I was in HS, all I ever heard was 'done have sex bc it's bad' <- yep quality education there. Good thing I have smart parents who sent me to sex and reproductive health classes.
@mwjayjr Um no, abortion is 9 times safer the gestating and giving birth according to stats from CDC and The Guttmacher Institute. Who are you to say that a medical procedure is going to harm a woman emotionally? I know many women who have had elective abortions and are happy and confident that they made the right choice. I think you should go the the website imnotsorry (.net) and read how abortion has helped women before you pop off with these scripted anti-choice generalazationized lies.
I do not think that we need to prioritize the rights of one person of another. I think that if you create a situation such that, in order to exercise what for you would normally be a right, you must violate somebody else's rights…you do not get to do so. For example, my right to do what I want with my body includes the right to squeeze my finger. But if I put that finger on a gun that is aimed at your head, I do not get to squeeze my finger.
I agree with your point of this contradiction. It is so blatant that most do not even see it.
The contradiction that interests me the most is how people use their religious morals as a position against abortion... especially those of a Jewish, Muslim or Christian faith.
it is very simple. . every person has the right to evict an unwanted entity, unwanted or not, dead or alive, human or not, young or old. . if you want to evict a person, you call the cops if you want to evict a fetus, you call the docs. . . that is the fundamental issue; no one can push an embryo, a fetus, a person on another person. .
@zegatone why is it that a man is charged with 2 counts of murder for killing a pregnant women but abortion isn't murder....Trick question, it is. If a women can go full term and still not want a child then by all mean adoption but it is not the women's right to choose who lives and dies, like he said the childs rights must be upheld also
@mwjayjr He would be charged because it is esentially equal to a forced abortion. It is the pregant woman's choice of whether she wants to continue the pregnancy. She did not choose to get shot and have herself killed ot have the ZEF killed, therefor its double homicide. There is no 'child' involved, again you need a dictionary and an etymology lesson, also the ZEF does not have rights until birth.
is not the right of the child to live where it is not wanted; simple
the person who rape or get pregnant a women is committing a crime; or should the law not punish him because his act created a child?
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again it is very simple to understand, no one can force others to accept him/her in their private property if not wanted..
embryos and fetuses are protected, for if the owner of them, or the owner of the property where they are growing wants them there; it is illegal to kill them
yes but my friend, u r missing a point. many pro-choice advocates don't believe the unborn is a "child" or human being and so they don't have rights to begin with.
me25422 2 months ago
No one wins. Your point is a flaw in our way of thinking. In my prefect world I would analyze the woman. If she is a productive member of society with a hard job then I would allow an abortion so that she may continue with her career. If the pregnant one is unemployed and has excellent motherhood traits then I would force birth. If she were worthless I would kill them both.
coolbji 7 months ago
@coolbji You must be unemployed to think of that well-thought out response. At least you are contributing your wise remarks to the society of Youtube. You shall be saved my friend.
BrothaBill 2 months ago
Abortion....the cool thing to do now....nothing justifies murder no matter how you phrase. Murder is murder whether the person is born, unborn, in a coma....from time of conception it is a living human with rights that most over look. And what about the father's rights....it's his child too
mwjayjr 7 months ago
@mwjayjr You need to look up what 'murder' means. It is a legal term for an illegal homicide with malicious intent. Abortion is not illegal, nor does a woman do it with malicious intent. It is not murder, homicide - yes, murder- no. Even if abortion were to be illegalized, it still would not qualify as murder. The man gets no official say, it is not his body that would be forced to gestate the ZEF. He can voice his opinion, but it is 100% her choice because she is the one giving her body up.
khammock9 7 months ago
@khammock9 Murder: The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. That sounds like abortion to me. And what is she giving up her body for, she doesn't get sacrificed in some primitive fashion, she doesn't lose anything by going full term. It's a lie fed to people to make the kill easier. No one loses anything there is only gain.
mwjayjr 7 months ago
@mwjayjr UNLAWFUL. Since when is abortion unlawful? Oh yeah...it's not. Carrying to full term and giving birth is 9 times more dangerous than getting an abortion, this is a statistic from the CDC and The Guttmacher Institute. Have you looked at possible (and the commonality) complications gestation and birth can have on a women? A woman can lose a lot of things by going full term, up to and including her life. You have been fed the anti-choice lies, and bought into their propoganda.
khammock9 7 months ago
@khammock9 Murder doesn't have to have malicious intent, read the definition. I don't have time in my life to waste to continue this, look it up all over youtube, women who had abortions speak out against it, and a person with some good fact is "theprolifeguy" he's done tons of research to prove pro-choice is pro-murder
mwjayjr 7 months ago
@mwjayjr dictionary com is not enough to give a proper explanation of what qualifies as murder. You need to look in a legal dictionary and legal books. I am saying it's not murder from reasoning from many lawyer friends; as well as looking back before Roe v Wade at the cases then...it was not EVER charged or punished as other (real) murders. Yes, some women do regret their abortion...most do not. That's fine go on with your life, you will not (nor will any anti choicer) ever change my mind.
khammock9 7 months ago
I think abortion is wrong.
witch26071 8 months ago 2
@witch26071 You are allowed to have that opinion. But you are not allowed to force your morality on others by law and should not do it by shaming or condemning. I know many people who think abortion is wrong but would never want it illegal or unavailable because they know women will find a way to have it done (so at least it can be done safely) and they also know that they cannot push their views on others.
khammock9 7 months ago
@khammock9 well. obviously
witch26071 7 months ago
@witch26071 You would be suprised (maybe not if you have been closely following all the bills that have been getting purposed and passed against women's reproductive rights) how many people who do not understand that. I have no issue with people having opposing view points from mine, but I do have a problem with them trying to force their views on me; and that is what is trying to be done with this war on women. It frightens me, not going to lie. I am glad that you do understand it though!
khammock9 7 months ago
The rights of the unborn are trumpeted all the time by all kinds of people, including members of Congress, leading academics, and even people like Michael McConnell who become Federal Judges. Just because it hasn't PREVAILED doesn't mean it hasn't been argued.
As for the "contradiction" of relative rights, the biggest part of the abortion debate is whether a first trimester fetus is a person or not. If not, as most pro-choicers (myself included) contend, then that discussion is moot.
setdan 8 months ago
@setdan if a first trimester baby isn't a person then right now you aren't a person either. you cannot just change your species, one fertilized the unborn is HUMAN not a fetus, that is just a term used to dehumanize what the women is carrying
mwjayjr 7 months ago
@mwjayjr Why? You can't just assert that I'm the same as a fetus, you're the one who wants to restrain a woman's freedom: burden of proof is on you. I'll tell you why I'm different than a 1st trimester fetus: higher brain function. Thought. Emotion. A first trimester fetus has the neural capacity of a slug. Sensation, rudimentary organs, nothing more. If you wanna throw the "coma patient" hypothetical at me, an adult in a permanent coma doesn't have the same rights as a functional person either.
setdan 7 months ago
@setdan At 9 weeks the unborn has 90% of the body function is the same as a full grown adult. And only slightly after the fist trimester (18 week) it can reason and has memory. And actually the coma patient has the same rights because they are living and breathing and anything done to them while in that state carries heavier penalties than if you did it to some person on the street.
mwjayjr 7 months ago
@mwjayjr See, now you're saying things that just aren't true. A coma patient has the same rights as a person in the street? Then why can a family take a brain-dead relative off the ventilator? If they drove to grandma's house while she was conscious and put two slugs in her, that's very different.
And if you're going to claim that an 18 week old fetus has the capacity to reason you'd best post a link to a refereed journal of medicine cause I call bull****
setdan 7 months ago
@mwjayjr No. Personhood is a right gained at birth. No one is arguing that it is not human, of course it's human...what welse could it be? A kangaroo? No. Personhood and human/species are completely different things. Yes it is a fetus, it is the legally and medically accurate term; as is blastocyst, zygote and embryo. Modern terminology says a 'baby' is what a fetus become AFTER birth. You really need to go purchase a dictionary and learn some etymology so you can have an educated debate.
khammock9 7 months ago
@khammock9 but that's the problem people don't give the unborn their rights because "they're not a person" but it's obviously a person, dehumanizeing is what pro-choicers are doing. If they told every women that killing their unborn child was killing another person I can almost promise you that the abortion rate would drop by more than half over night, because then it would bother them that they are killing someone like them
mwjayjr 7 months ago
@mwjayjr How do you give a ZEF rights? A SS card? Have age be recognized by a 'date of conception' instead of birth? Please tell me how to legally give a fetus the same rights as those who are born. I have asked many anti's to do this, and none have succeeded. They cant tell women they are 'killing another person' because they are not....women have abortions to not be pregnant, if an artificial uterus or an transpant to a donor was available I garuntee women who opt for that over abortion,
khammock9 7 months ago
@mwjayjr continued..... espcially if the state would put that as an option and pay before it goes up for adoption after birth. Women have abortions to not be pregnant (for many reasons) but not to kill their ZEF, death is a side effect not the 1st cast intended action. I have been on the pro-choice side for years, worked with tons and tons of women...and they all know the developmental stages to a ZEF and they know if its alive, none of these things matter though. Her body, her choice.
khammock9 7 months ago
Bringing the ZEF's 'rights' (which do not exist unless the woman is killed while pregnant) would then trump the womans right to bodily autonomy. So one way or another someones rights get trumped. The woman is the one who is sentient, pain feeling and capable of emotion, a ZEF is not capable of any of those, the ZEF does not know it's being or was aborted whereas if the woman is forced to gestate, she is well aware of the atrocity being forced on her. My body, my choice.
khammock9 8 months ago
@khammock9 the unborn baby can feel pain contrary to what you believe. as soon as the egg is fertilized life begins, the brain come and by week 3 there is a heart, when the nervous system develops the unborn is capable of feeling emotions pain suffering everything but basic thing like sight smell taste sound and touch.
mwjayjr 7 months ago
@mwjayjr Science has proven that a fetus cannot feel pain until at least 20 weeks. Most places to not allow elective abortions after 20 weeks The spinal cord is not connected to the brain before then, until those are connected nothing can feel pain. People refer to the 'silent scream' videos and try to agrue that it can feel pain, but what you are seeing is a natural reflex reaction. It's like when you go to the doctor and they hit your knee and it causes you to kick...it's a reflex reaction.
khammock9 7 months ago
@mwjayjr More so (I ran out of space before) The development does not matter. The woman has legal rights, the fetus does not. Forcing her to gestate is forcing her into involuntary servitude to the fetus....which is unconstitutional. No one can use anothers body without their continuous consent no matter how the situation was created. One cannot be forced to give blood or organs to save a life and that is what is happening during a pregnancy...it is the woman giving her body to the fetus, but it
khammock9 7 months ago
@khammock9 continued.... but it is her CHOICE to do so. I would love to see abortions be no longer needed; I think everyone would...and to make that happen I think people need to stop focusing on abortion laws and focus on sex education, prevention, more effective birth control and contraceptives, make sterilization easier to access, and fix the state systems and health care so they will supprt a woman who is faced with an unwanted pregnancy much better and/'or so the future child can be placed
khammock9 7 months ago
@mwjayjr Continued again....placed with a safe, loving, caring and responsible home, NOT stuck in the state system being bounced from home to home with a high chance of getting abused. I say fix these things first, THEN look into abortion laws and rights. Women who want an abortion will find a way to get one no matter what, so lets first do everything possible to make she she is not put in that position, then if she is make sure she can be provided with a safe and sterile procedure.
khammock9 7 months ago
@khammock9 brain activity cannot be recorded until then, doesn't mean it's not there. She doesn't serve the unborn child she carries it, murder is unconstitutional also. What does she give but a place for the baby to gestate. There is already 100% birth prevention, it's call "abstain" you can't get pregnant if you don't have sex. Sex education in schools is actually part of the problem, it is the parents job to teach that, and schools tell you to wear a condom and take birth control.
mwjayjr 7 months ago
@mwjayjr But when the spinal cord and cortex are not connected, nothing can be registered in the brain. Thats what happens when someone becomes a paraplegic...they cannot feel whats going on in their body because the brain has to recognize it. And it's not murder again, 1) the ZEF has not gained personhood 2) its nto done with malicious intent 3) its not illegal. She absolutely serves the fetus! When you're pregnant you cant to many things soley bc of that ZEF. What culture do you live in? ....
khammock9 7 months ago
@mwjayjr continued.... Have you seen American culture?!?! You want people to abstain from sex when that is what is constantly shoved in their face everywhere? Ha, good luck with that. I am talking about an OCP that is 100% effective, hell or sterilization. I have been to 9 doctors trying to get a tubal ligation and none will do it bc I dont have kids. Well yeah, no shit...thats bc I dont want kids, hence the tubal ligation. And not all schools give proper sex ed. THey may say......
khammock9 7 months ago
@mwjayjr continued again..... They may say 'use a condom and get birth control'...but thats it. There is no public school comprehensive sex ed like there needs to be. ANd parents should also teach it, but they dont. Ohio, has abstinince only ed, our governener just signed the budget to only allow that. Before then, when I was in HS, all I ever heard was 'done have sex bc it's bad' <- yep quality education there. Good thing I have smart parents who sent me to sex and reproductive health classes.
khammock9 7 months ago
@khammock9 (continued)I agree with most of the last 1 1/2 but abortion is never safe it hurts the female both emotionally and physically.
mwjayjr 7 months ago
@mwjayjr Um no, abortion is 9 times safer the gestating and giving birth according to stats from CDC and The Guttmacher Institute. Who are you to say that a medical procedure is going to harm a woman emotionally? I know many women who have had elective abortions and are happy and confident that they made the right choice. I think you should go the the website imnotsorry (.net) and read how abortion has helped women before you pop off with these scripted anti-choice generalazationized lies.
khammock9 7 months ago
I do not think that we need to prioritize the rights of one person of another. I think that if you create a situation such that, in order to exercise what for you would normally be a right, you must violate somebody else's rights…you do not get to do so. For example, my right to do what I want with my body includes the right to squeeze my finger. But if I put that finger on a gun that is aimed at your head, I do not get to squeeze my finger.
WarThemedRevolution 1 year ago
I agree with your point of this contradiction. It is so blatant that most do not even see it.
The contradiction that interests me the most is how people use their religious morals as a position against abortion... especially those of a Jewish, Muslim or Christian faith.
besidemymind 1 year ago
is that a bible on your desk? Are you a car salesmen?
northwoodsdude 1 year ago
zegatone 1 year ago 2
@zegatone why is it that a man is charged with 2 counts of murder for killing a pregnant women but abortion isn't murder....Trick question, it is. If a women can go full term and still not want a child then by all mean adoption but it is not the women's right to choose who lives and dies, like he said the childs rights must be upheld also
mwjayjr 7 months ago
@mwjayjr He would be charged because it is esentially equal to a forced abortion. It is the pregant woman's choice of whether she wants to continue the pregnancy. She did not choose to get shot and have herself killed ot have the ZEF killed, therefor its double homicide. There is no 'child' involved, again you need a dictionary and an etymology lesson, also the ZEF does not have rights until birth.
khammock9 7 months ago
@mwjayjr
is not the right of the child to live where it is not wanted; simple
the person who rape or get pregnant a women is committing a crime; or should the law not punish him because his act created a child?
.
again it is very simple to understand, no one can force others to accept him/her in their private property if not wanted..
embryos and fetuses are protected, for if the owner of them, or the owner of the property where they are growing wants them there; it is illegal to kill them
zegatone 7 months ago