I just noticed that the pnumatic brake handle is to the left of the captain instead of its normal location to the right of the engine gauges. Anyone know why this was on this 727 in the video? Another question is what was the pnumatic brake handle used for? I have never seen it used before.
No, many commercial flights land using visual approaches. However, almost all flights are conducted on IFR (instrument) flight rules. In other words, IFR flights can make visual approaches and landings. The flight is still on an IFR flight plan even though it makes a visual approach. The flights at Laguardia often land using the "Expressway visual approach", as an example.
i see it says visual approach, i thought all commercial flights were instrumented approach. was it instrument approach for the pilot flying the plane? and visual for the one doing communications? thank you for your answer
He is wanking the Yoke too much, I know its a manual landing but you shouldnt need (if properly trimmed) to be loosly mooving the yoke as he did that much. In other 727 manual landings tiny corrections are enough. Was this due to wind?
You can all have your glass cockpit crap, the old three holer and other like generation jets was for me. The 727 was without a doubt, one of the finest jet airliners I flew. Everything about it felt right. From an ergonomics standpoint, controls were positioned correctly, everything right at hand. You strapped yourself in and adjusted your seat and felt totally connected to that bird.
I loved sitting in my backyard & watching the jets departing & en-route to DFW. I miss the 727's. Don't see them anymore. You could always tell one from the sound, long before you spotted it in the sky.
It's strange to see the captain's hard working on the steering wheel. That obviously was when there were no ILS devices available. Landings today show a much less hectic working in the cockpit.
Two questions; what is thew function your 1st Officer performed flipping a switch located at the top of the dashboard, two or three times in quick succession?
What was the "KA-TOOOSH" instrument sound from, the aircraft made immediately before rear gear touchdown @ the 3:46 mark of the video? You had your hands full doing final moment steering with the yoke at the same moment the ka-tooosh sound happened.
@SkidRowJosephine The 1st officer was turning his flight director off. The noise heard at 3:46 is a mystery. It may have been someone giving audible sound effects to the wheels touching down.
@SkidRowJosephine i see it says visual approach, i thought all commercial flights were instrumented approach. was it instrument approach for the pilot flying the plane? and visual for the one doing communications? thank you for your answer
Short landing roll! Were the 727's reversers reiatively effective? I've noticed that on all the 727 flights I took almost always pilots deployed reverse in a standard manner...immediately upon touchdown, and it seems at a pretty high % to the point of being on the threshold of hearing "fan growl" ...about what % is that?
@aztlaxpuroazul The 727 was designed as a short field aircraft with a high cruise speed (Mach .84). Now, airports have longer runways and aircraft can ignore the need for short field capability. The 727 can deploy the thrust reverse immediately upon touchdown...even before the nose wheel is down. A recommended 12 O'clock reverse throttle position will yield about 80% N one. Coupled with the nose high attitude, the plane was slowed without wheel brakes. Great question and observation.
@swtrooper11 That's because at those slower speeds, the airplane needs more control input (movement). Not too different from driving a car in the parking lot and trying to avoid a shopping cart or something vs. driving at say 65 MPH and moving to avoid something in the road. landing speeds with flaps at 30 degrees is about140 MPH instead of cruising speeds of about 300-400 MPH.
I caught one of those whacks last week while we were doing ops checks after changing the stab trim cable. Because the trim switch on the yoke nor the cruise trim switch will take the stab to the jackscrew stops, I had to crank it the rest of the way.... But when I went to take it full l/e up, I forgot to put the handles back in... Needless to say my knee still hurts
@flirjock The left thumb switch is the electric trim switch. It is used to retrim as the aircraft slows, thus relieving the pressure the pilot has to hold on the wheel. The trim switch turns a wheel, not seen, that is rather noisy.
@ampicoab Thanks so much for the info. My how things have changed. Noted all of the aircraft parked on the tarmac. So sad to see Lambert now. Regards!
@LoadedSaiga Even with the handles stowed, the wheel and its notched area for the handles, can give a jolt to the Capt. right knee, and copilot left knee. If either handle is extended, the trim paddle cutout switch should be off to preclude a very strong whack on the knee.
@ampicoab I thought I could hear the trim wheel turning but (sadly) it's been a number of years since I heard/saw one I might have imagined it. I think I have some permanent bruises from 'em.
Did he ask for gear early because he wanted to slow it up a bit? I hear him ask for gear because someone was taxiing in position but the audio is not real loud.
@patjparks That is a good question by a good observer. Yes, tower put someone on the runway for takeoff and advised us of that fact. It means slowdown if you want to land. We did by immediately extending the gear and the spacing worked out great.
Si es un 727 (vean las ventanillas sobre el co-piloto) Ese es un avión pa macho!!!, es en éste tipo de aviones en donde el piloto demuestra que es piloto!!
@exexwhy Sorry I missed this question earlier. It was a passenger flight in the month that I retired. My retirement flight was a baseball charter, and it may be posted later. Thanks.
este capitan antes era taxista de la cd. de mexico verdad? cuando aterriza casi arranca la palanca de los spoiler como si fuera la palanca de un bocho
Wow, the cockpit sure was a lot different on the older planes. When was this video taken? It must have been a while ago since TWA doesn't exist anymore.
@sgilman I lived in StL for a few years. I used to hang out on the other end of this runway. There was a little car park under the approach path. Since it was higher than the runway surfaces, you got a great view of arriving flights. There was also an ANG base with 4 or 5 F-15s. I worked at McDonnell Douglas and sometimes would often stop there after work to let the traffic die down. TWA had a lot of 727s even near the end. You tend to forget what a big airplane it is.
I think all respondents realize now that this is pure 727. The comments to the contrary were not malicious. It is a learning and sharing experience. That was the spirit of this post. My cockpit was not one of high drama, so the You tube should be the same. Let's have fun.
Just a little trivia. Captain Gordon Granger had all TWA aircraft lights switches reversed before delivery from the factory. So Captain Bob is actually turning off the landing lights. As a 727 Check Airman for over 5 years, I too miss "Miss Piggy" as we affectionately called the 727s. The 727 really loved the ground if you pulled the power off too soon so I told my students "leave the power on until you get to the gate"!
Loved to have the AC packs running on the ground in a humid environment and the condensation streaming out of the overhead vent by 1L. The sound of all three engines in cruise - sounded like a well synchronized machine. Let's not forget the windscreen "noise" from those "square" angles on the front.
@ampicoab Just a little trivia. Captain Gordon Granger had all TWA aircraft lights switches reversed before delivery from the factory. So Captain Bob is actually turning off the landing lights. As a 727 Check Airman for over 5 years, I too miss "Miss Piggy" as we affectionately called the 727s. The 727 really loved the ground if you pulled the power off too soon so I told my students "leave the power on until you get to the gate"!
@MasterNiva He expresses that he knows which aircraft type belongs to that cockpit. And it is a 727 cockpit. It is an interesting phenomena to read so many comments in the internet, made by people who don't really know of what they are talking about. If people are not 100% sure, they should do some research before making comments. If they did research and if they are wrong still, they proof that they have no serious relation at all to the businees they try to talk about.
@jares030105 No. Absolutely not, This is a 727 cockpit. A DC-10 has a totally different cockpit design. You should not talk about things when you have no clue about it. This is not an insult, just a polite advice.
@ie210 Yes, the speedbrakes are manually deployed. Some airlines did have them with the "auto deploy" option. Only three 727's were delivered to TWA with that option, but the option was removed after delivery.
me too; damn, those crew meals were something else.....mystery meat with poison sauce, so on your last leg you get the shits on final.....can't beat em.
Awesome video! There was no better aircraft than the 727 and no better airline than TWA. They were a class act all the way and I know they are missed by a lot of people.
That s abeautiful landing . i live in Chile, but lived in the US for 16 years; and briefly studied aeronautics up there , and made it up to a beginner to mid level.
here in Chile i sometime wish to finish those studies as flying looks pretty fun. Considering all of the incredible detail and precision one needs to know and dominate to do it .....
Also .. we lived in Iowa, and in the summer when an adolescent -in the early 90s-we d take trips down to FL, on TWA . Connecting at Lambert in MO
@ampicoab Perhaps sir . I dont know how i remembered this detail, but way before we d go to FL (as we had relatives in Miami} , I remember baseball practice in the summer of 1987 (i was 12} , and in Cedar Falls (where we lived} , was adjacent to Waterloo (ALO} , and in those times the Waterloo airport received 727 flights from Ozark airlines - i think . And just rememberd at baseball practice in the summer - at a place called Pfeiffer park . And seeing the beautiful 727 approaching into ALO
Wow, I have lots of respect for that generation of flying. Did they just use VOR/NDB only for navigation? And did I hear 16 degree increment of flaps? That's odd for me, but in no means am I an airline pilot. I only fly GA aircraft and my flightsims.
@garyleak Actually, the first officer made the call out, "Half to go". During climbs and descents, the pilot not flying calls out, "one to go" when approaching by 1,000 feet, the assigned altitude. When air traffic control gives only a 1,000 foot altitude change, then the call out at 500 feet before the assigned altitude becomes, "Half to go". Before this approach begins, a 1,000 foot descent was issued, and the 500 foot call is heard. Good question!
@solomonpilot767 They also used the old ONS [Omega Navigation System]. Sadly, they were decomissioned in 1997 to make way for the GPS systems. I might add that LORAN is about ready for decomission as well.
we have learned alot from these pilots though too.. computers make flying a hell of a lot safer my friend.. see how many fatal crashes during the 70's in the US..
The hell is it with all you peoples mentality regarding old aircraft? Sure it was a golden era and don't get me wrong, I'm fascinated too about it, but really; We need to move on people!
Pilots who flew the older versions of the 727 learned to be aggressive when activating reverse thrust. The levers were difficult to move. Later, the linkage and cable system was equipped with Teflon bearings, and the levers worked much easier. The technique was to bring the levers rapidly up to the 12 o'clock position, where an interlock stopped the levers until the clamshell doors (reversers) moved.
When I was a kid my family went to from KPHL to KDFW and had a lay over for a week in Dallas visiting relatives there then from KDFW to KSAN and spent another week there visiting relatives out there. Then did the same hops KSAN to KDFW to KPHL. We had a small 3 hour lay over in KDFW but that was it and all the flights were on American Airlines 727s.
yes fuck the A32o french shit,Boeing is the best and,if it is no't boeing i am no't going,i missd tose old days,my dad was a capt on,B707 and,727 and,thanks 4 posting 5*****
Blinking the lights was a common practice to get the attention of the mechanic in charge parking, so that the aircraft could be marshaled into parking without delay. This was only done at busy airports where the mechanics were assigned to several gates.
EXELENT AIRMANSHIP! He knows his plane. I will give anything to go back to those golden jet days, Not what we have today, to much technology, and little hand on the plane.
I would give my soul to the devil to be in that 727, and that´s NOT a joke!
Too bad the vid doesn't show all the action. The reverse actuation is actually the second thing which you see. The first, is the spoiler lever being pulled rapidly full aft, then the reverse levers being pulled to about the 50% (12 o'clock) position. The vid shows the Captain's shoulder movement during the spoiler activation, then you see the reverse lever action with his hand.
The hand must transfer from the spoiler lever to the reverse levers, and to be effective, it must be done quickly. In a crosswind, slowly deploying the spoilers can have unpredictable results and is not recommended. Both these controls are aerodynamic braking, which means they are most effective at high speed. In this landing, the wheel brakes were only briefly used as the prior aerodynamic braking slowed the A/C to taxi speed, smoothly and economically.
TWA was the best. A real class act. I miss them terribly. I can remember my grandfather taking me to Lambert St. Louis way back in the early 1960s. TWA Boeing 707s and connies were everywhere.
Never flew the 72, although I have always heard how great it was to fly...
However, I COMPLETELY disagree with your statement of those days being "long gone"... Yes, ***some*** of the airliners have autoland-- but it is rarely used!
Those days are not "long gone", and it still takes skill to fly these things safely-- as evidenced by Capt. Sully and the US Air crash in the Hudson...
Safety and Economics are directly related! Thank you Sully for re-emphasizing this!!
Finally got to fly a 727 sim from the FO side down in Florida to quench my need to fly a 727 at some point in my life and I learned a lesson I guess many 727 F/O's learn with the trim wheel. Needless to say there was a little bruiseing to my left knee. Back to glass and FMS though now.
Either Fedex or ups got all their old planes like the 727 and did up the cockpits like newer planes, they have onl;y 2 ppl flying them now and they have glass cockpits with monitors and screens rather than knobs and stuff there.
The radar altimeter makes the tone when the aircraft descends through 500 feet above the ground. The pilot not flying calls out the airspeed and sink rate at that time.
i hear the same- very cool the co pilot says the amount of feet to the ground instead of a computer in a 727. all the new vids of a330s and a340s all have a computer robot voice going "50 40 30 20 10"
A classic airline AND a classic airliner! Great job!
nenblom 3 weeks ago
I just noticed that the pnumatic brake handle is to the left of the captain instead of its normal location to the right of the engine gauges. Anyone know why this was on this 727 in the video? Another question is what was the pnumatic brake handle used for? I have never seen it used before.
ab6485 3 weeks ago
Man, this is really good. Good camera work showing inside/outside the aircraft.
MSLTUL 4 weeks ago
No, many commercial flights land using visual approaches. However, almost all flights are conducted on IFR (instrument) flight rules. In other words, IFR flights can make visual approaches and landings. The flight is still on an IFR flight plan even though it makes a visual approach. The flights at Laguardia often land using the "Expressway visual approach", as an example.
ampicoab 1 month ago
i see it says visual approach, i thought all commercial flights were instrumented approach. was it instrument approach for the pilot flying the plane? and visual for the one doing communications? thank you for your answer
DavidBerquist334 1 month ago
good old fashion flying right here buddy! thx for sharing!
dude6595 2 months ago
He is wanking the Yoke too much, I know its a manual landing but you shouldnt need (if properly trimmed) to be loosly mooving the yoke as he did that much. In other 727 manual landings tiny corrections are enough. Was this due to wind?
kmentt 3 months ago
wow i love the b727,real plane 4 real pilots thanks 4 posting,guess what if it is not boeing i am not going,please no scare bus only boeing bus!
solomonpilot767 4 months ago
You can all have your glass cockpit crap, the old three holer and other like generation jets was for me. The 727 was without a doubt, one of the finest jet airliners I flew. Everything about it felt right. From an ergonomics standpoint, controls were positioned correctly, everything right at hand. You strapped yourself in and adjusted your seat and felt totally connected to that bird.
XBoeingCapt 4 months ago 3
@george1976ist you mean the sound that came right after the pilot saying gear down??????
LandRoverWay23 4 months ago
so primitive.
LandRoverWay23 4 months ago
Tell me your last flight was a Cardinals charter!
stoeger40 4 months ago
@stoeger40 Yes, it was. SFO-STL
ampicoab 4 months ago
@ampicoab STL Saint Lois And SFO Sanfrancisco
MRBMYERS25 3 months ago
@stoeger40 I'm curious, how did you know?
ampicoab 4 months ago
... "So what are ya gonna miss most about flying Bob?" ... "err... crew meals"! Yep... that would be about right! 5:00
4crevis 5 months ago
I really miss TWA,........thank you for posting this & God Bless you.
wilatemodel 6 months ago
I loved sitting in my backyard & watching the jets departing & en-route to DFW. I miss the 727's. Don't see them anymore. You could always tell one from the sound, long before you spotted it in the sky.
papabugs71 6 months ago
It's strange to see the captain's hard working on the steering wheel. That obviously was when there were no ILS devices available. Landings today show a much less hectic working in the cockpit.
Henninway 7 months ago
@Henninway they have ILS
LandRoverWay23 4 months ago
Cpt. Bob,
Two questions; what is thew function your 1st Officer performed flipping a switch located at the top of the dashboard, two or three times in quick succession?
What was the "KA-TOOOSH" instrument sound from, the aircraft made immediately before rear gear touchdown @ the 3:46 mark of the video? You had your hands full doing final moment steering with the yoke at the same moment the ka-tooosh sound happened.
SkidRowJosephine 8 months ago 7
@SkidRowJosephine The 1st officer was turning his flight director off. The noise heard at 3:46 is a mystery. It may have been someone giving audible sound effects to the wheels touching down.
ampicoab 8 months ago 6
@SkidRowJosephine
I'm not sure, I don't know Boeing Airplanes(I flew only DC's) but I think that at touchdown it says 'Retard"
Best regard
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@SkidRowJosephine i see it says visual approach, i thought all commercial flights were instrumented approach. was it instrument approach for the pilot flying the plane? and visual for the one doing communications? thank you for your answer
DavidBerquist334 1 month ago
操縦桿に遊びが多い飛行機なんだね。
The control stick and posture cannot be stabilized if it doesn't considerably move it.
FUJISPEEDWAY1 8 months ago
Interesting how "soft" the touch was =) quite hard on the 27
lsomex 9 months ago
great landing :D
FlugSimulatorXfan 9 months ago
243 people like crew meals, 7 don't. :D
WhateverMcCoy 9 months ago
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WhateverMcCoy 9 months ago
Love this vid, looks like a 231 Adv with flight directors on the glaresheild. Nice job on the landing!!
Boeing727223 9 months ago
This is sooo awesome thank you so much for uploading. Remember my Grandpa flying in those old vehicles, it was not easy to fly em!
KevinatIndy 9 months ago
Silly rabbits, 727's are not for kids.
jbrian80 10 months ago
no GPWS (callout on landing) on 727 ? I believe some has one, no ?
oldmac6 10 months ago
I miss these old birds, such wonderful solid airplanes!
frtguy80 10 months ago
A REAL PILOT!
pettyofficer30 10 months ago
Short landing roll! Were the 727's reversers reiatively effective? I've noticed that on all the 727 flights I took almost always pilots deployed reverse in a standard manner...immediately upon touchdown, and it seems at a pretty high % to the point of being on the threshold of hearing "fan growl" ...about what % is that?
aztlaxpuroazul 11 months ago
@aztlaxpuroazul The 727 was designed as a short field aircraft with a high cruise speed (Mach .84). Now, airports have longer runways and aircraft can ignore the need for short field capability. The 727 can deploy the thrust reverse immediately upon touchdown...even before the nose wheel is down. A recommended 12 O'clock reverse throttle position will yield about 80% N one. Coupled with the nose high attitude, the plane was slowed without wheel brakes. Great question and observation.
ampicoab 10 months ago 3
they yokes looks like inactive , the cpt turn them and the horizon doesnt movie :O
swtrooper11 11 months ago
@swtrooper11 That's because at those slower speeds, the airplane needs more control input (movement). Not too different from driving a car in the parking lot and trying to avoid a shopping cart or something vs. driving at say 65 MPH and moving to avoid something in the road. landing speeds with flaps at 30 degrees is about140 MPH instead of cruising speeds of about 300-400 MPH.
MrLinuso 10 months ago
@MrLinuso Thank you =)
swtrooper11 10 months ago
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TheWheels777 11 months ago
This is one of my favorite videos on youtube. Puts you right there in the recent past, landing a classic 727.
TheWheels777 11 months ago
What did the pilot do at 3:52?
JPetroSS 11 months ago
@JPetroSS he deployed the thrust reversers.
MrLinuso 10 months ago
Great vid capt,,yall some bad kats!!
nighttrain334 11 months ago
this plane is a legend iv flew in full motion 727 simulators and their absolutely awesome!
mightyjammyd123 11 months ago
I caught one of those whacks last week while we were doing ops checks after changing the stab trim cable. Because the trim switch on the yoke nor the cruise trim switch will take the stab to the jackscrew stops, I had to crank it the rest of the way.... But when I went to take it full l/e up, I forgot to put the handles back in... Needless to say my knee still hurts
LoadedSaiga 11 months ago
What is the button on the yoke, left side he pushes with his thumb? When he pushes it you can hear some kind of sound, like something resetting.
flirjock 11 months ago
@flirjock The left thumb switch is the electric trim switch. It is used to retrim as the aircraft slows, thus relieving the pressure the pilot has to hold on the wheel. The trim switch turns a wheel, not seen, that is rather noisy.
ampicoab 11 months ago
@ampicoab Thanks so much for the info. My how things have changed. Noted all of the aircraft parked on the tarmac. So sad to see Lambert now. Regards!
flirjock 11 months ago
@ampicoab Knee knockers!!! Be sure the handles are in or you will get a painful surprise!!
LoadedSaiga 11 months ago
@LoadedSaiga Even with the handles stowed, the wheel and its notched area for the handles, can give a jolt to the Capt. right knee, and copilot left knee. If either handle is extended, the trim paddle cutout switch should be off to preclude a very strong whack on the knee.
ampicoab 11 months ago
@ampicoab I thought I could hear the trim wheel turning but (sadly) it's been a number of years since I heard/saw one I might have imagined it.
ttugarygregory 9 months ago
@ampicoab I thought I could hear the trim wheel turning but (sadly) it's been a number of years since I heard/saw one I might have imagined it. I think I have some permanent bruises from 'em.
ttugarygregory 9 months ago
Did he ask for gear early because he wanted to slow it up a bit? I hear him ask for gear because someone was taxiing in position but the audio is not real loud.
patjparks 1 year ago
@patjparks That is a good question by a good observer. Yes, tower put someone on the runway for takeoff and advised us of that fact. It means slowdown if you want to land. We did by immediately extending the gear and the spacing worked out great.
ampicoab 1 year ago
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anihl8r 1 year ago
727 ROCKS!!!!
prglg 1 year ago
Si es un 727 (vean las ventanillas sobre el co-piloto) Ese es un avión pa macho!!!, es en éste tipo de aviones en donde el piloto demuestra que es piloto!!
m070782 1 year ago
Good old days, They called it the cockpit for a reason back then. :)
plsniper 1 year ago
That is what i call real Pilots plane,no computer shit and,thx 4 posting!
solomonpilot767 1 year ago
Of all the 727's I've ever seen that's one of them.
renman59 1 year ago
beautiful plane!
P8NTBALL60 1 year ago
Very nice, thank you for sharing, sir!
As someone who doesn't know much about TWA, was that a passenger plane or a freight plane? Also, was it your last flight?
exexwhy 1 year ago
@exexwhy Sorry I missed this question earlier. It was a passenger flight in the month that I retired. My retirement flight was a baseball charter, and it may be posted later. Thanks.
ampicoab 11 months ago
este capitan antes era taxista de la cd. de mexico verdad? cuando aterriza casi arranca la palanca de los spoiler como si fuera la palanca de un bocho
granaditossan 1 year ago
727-231 baby, nice job!!
Boeing727223 1 year ago
i miss TWA :(
juanlmesl 1 year ago
There should be a "Like" button and a "Love" button because I loved this video. I sure miss that airline! : (
twal1011 1 year ago
Wow, the cockpit sure was a lot different on the older planes. When was this video taken? It must have been a while ago since TWA doesn't exist anymore.
sgilman 1 year ago
@sgilman I lived in StL for a few years. I used to hang out on the other end of this runway. There was a little car park under the approach path. Since it was higher than the runway surfaces, you got a great view of arriving flights. There was also an ANG base with 4 or 5 F-15s. I worked at McDonnell Douglas and sometimes would often stop there after work to let the traffic die down. TWA had a lot of 727s even near the end. You tend to forget what a big airplane it is.
antimatterXXXIII 1 year ago
I think all respondents realize now that this is pure 727. The comments to the contrary were not malicious. It is a learning and sharing experience. That was the spirit of this post. My cockpit was not one of high drama, so the You tube should be the same. Let's have fun.
ampicoab 1 year ago 7
Just a little trivia. Captain Gordon Granger had all TWA aircraft lights switches reversed before delivery from the factory. So Captain Bob is actually turning off the landing lights. As a 727 Check Airman for over 5 years, I too miss "Miss Piggy" as we affectionately called the 727s. The 727 really loved the ground if you pulled the power off too soon so I told my students "leave the power on until you get to the gate"!
malibularry 1 year ago
@malibularry Everything about the 727 was unique!
Loved to have the AC packs running on the ground in a humid environment and the condensation streaming out of the overhead vent by 1L. The sound of all three engines in cruise - sounded like a well synchronized machine. Let's not forget the windscreen "noise" from those "square" angles on the front.
ttugarygregory 9 months ago
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@ampicoab Just a little trivia. Captain Gordon Granger had all TWA aircraft lights switches reversed before delivery from the factory. So Captain Bob is actually turning off the landing lights. As a 727 Check Airman for over 5 years, I too miss "Miss Piggy" as we affectionately called the 727s. The 727 really loved the ground if you pulled the power off too soon so I told my students "leave the power on until you get to the gate"!
malibularry 1 year ago
@ampicoab Damn that's a man's airplane! Nice work! Great landing!
mvrk15 1 year ago
who's he honking at? LOL
onechester 1 year ago
You are right @MasterNiva, thats a DC-10
jares030105 1 year ago
@jares030105 I guess I'll have to make a few changes in my log book. For 13,000 hrs. I always thought it was a 727. Darn!
ampicoab 1 year ago 12
@ampicoab so you dont know what are you flying !!after 13,000 hours of being doing it. Darn!!
MasterNiva 1 year ago
@MasterNiva He expresses that he knows which aircraft type belongs to that cockpit. And it is a 727 cockpit. It is an interesting phenomena to read so many comments in the internet, made by people who don't really know of what they are talking about. If people are not 100% sure, they should do some research before making comments. If they did research and if they are wrong still, they proof that they have no serious relation at all to the businees they try to talk about.
AirSimming 1 year ago
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@ampicoab So you dont know what are you being Flying, Aftere 13,000 hours of doing it, darn!! you are danger!!
MasterNiva 1 year ago
@ampicoab This is why I always disable comments for my videos. There is so many misinformation and half-truths spread via comments/the internet.
AirSimming 1 year ago
@jares030105 Sorry buddy but that is as 727 as a 727 gets. Nowhere close to a DC-10.
FlyBoeing777 1 year ago
@jares030105 No. Absolutely not, This is a 727 cockpit. A DC-10 has a totally different cockpit design. You should not talk about things when you have no clue about it. This is not an insult, just a polite advice.
AirSimming 1 year ago
@jares030105 its a 727.
danielbustos 1 year ago
This is your CAPTAIN !!!!!!
ilisia41 1 year ago
Great video.
P.s The pilot is extra fat.
Tell him he must smršavit.
Croatiair 1 year ago
do they manually deploy the speedbrakes upon touchdown? Anyways, nice video and congrats to the pilots, that was a greaser!
ie210 1 year ago
@ie210 Yes, the speedbrakes are manually deployed. Some airlines did have them with the "auto deploy" option. Only three 727's were delivered to TWA with that option, but the option was removed after delivery.
ampicoab 1 year ago
Too bad what AA did to TWA and the STL hub. That was a great company.
beluch1000 1 year ago
That is not a 727 !!
MasterNiva 1 year ago
@MasterNiva Interesting comment. What do you think it is?
ampicoab 1 year ago
@ampicoab Boy does it look like an airbus! lol not a 727.. haha
kevininsimi 1 year ago
@MasterNiva you are right, DC-10
jares030105 1 year ago
@MasterNiva you are right, it`s a DC-10
jares030105 1 year ago
@MasterNiva Dumb ass what kind of plane do you think it is? its very much a 727!
frtguy80 1 year ago
@MasterNiva you are wrong. it is a 727
danielbustos 1 year ago
me too; damn, those crew meals were something else.....mystery meat with poison sauce, so on your last leg you get the shits on final.....can't beat em.
XBoeingCapt 1 year ago
Awesome video! There was no better aircraft than the 727 and no better airline than TWA. They were a class act all the way and I know they are missed by a lot of people.
Skyflite 1 year ago
She got a lil' fiesty there at the end, 'eh Capt.? ;-)
whutdahell31 1 year ago
That s abeautiful landing . i live in Chile, but lived in the US for 16 years; and briefly studied aeronautics up there , and made it up to a beginner to mid level.
here in Chile i sometime wish to finish those studies as flying looks pretty fun. Considering all of the incredible detail and precision one needs to know and dominate to do it .....
Also .. we lived in Iowa, and in the summer when an adolescent -in the early 90s-we d take trips down to FL, on TWA . Connecting at Lambert in MO
xylotone0110 1 year ago 2
@xylotone0110 Really a nice comment. Thanks. I did many flights from Lambert to Florida during the time you mentioned. Perhaps I gave you a ride!
ampicoab 1 year ago 2
@ampicoab Perhaps sir . I dont know how i remembered this detail, but way before we d go to FL (as we had relatives in Miami} , I remember baseball practice in the summer of 1987 (i was 12} , and in Cedar Falls (where we lived} , was adjacent to Waterloo (ALO} , and in those times the Waterloo airport received 727 flights from Ozark airlines - i think . And just rememberd at baseball practice in the summer - at a place called Pfeiffer park . And seeing the beautiful 727 approaching into ALO
xylotone0110 1 year ago
hi capt.bob !!
gunsguitars 1 year ago
Wow, I have lots of respect for that generation of flying. Did they just use VOR/NDB only for navigation? And did I hear 16 degree increment of flaps? That's odd for me, but in no means am I an airline pilot. I only fly GA aircraft and my flightsims.
pilotboy17 1 year ago
really informative ampicoab . btw whats that strange loud beeps in the cockpit. ?
dementorspirit 1 year ago
Nice Memories!! Thank you :)
Robert
JFK-TWA Flight Service Manager
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tenor175 1 year ago
Looks so fun to fly!
Flyglobespan93 1 year ago
NICE FLIGHT CAPTAIN!!
DR. POOP
RAFMOXIE 1 year ago
What was second officer shouting something like "Got to go". What was that all about?
garyleak 1 year ago
@garyleak Actually, the first officer made the call out, "Half to go". During climbs and descents, the pilot not flying calls out, "one to go" when approaching by 1,000 feet, the assigned altitude. When air traffic control gives only a 1,000 foot altitude change, then the call out at 500 feet before the assigned altitude becomes, "Half to go". Before this approach begins, a 1,000 foot descent was issued, and the 500 foot call is heard. Good question!
ampicoab 1 year ago
Excellent landing!
fitz207 1 year ago
god bless TWA
pbi
onpointsd 1 year ago
well they used vors and,inertial nav system,one of the pilots said when crossing the ocean they used the sun and,cordinates!
solomonpilot767 1 year ago
@solomonpilot767 They also used the old ONS [Omega Navigation System]. Sadly, they were decomissioned in 1997 to make way for the GPS systems. I might add that LORAN is about ready for decomission as well.
flytunes 1 year ago
@flytunes thanks 4 the info!
solomonpilot767 1 year ago
Those r real pilots which,they fly the plane no comuter crap,damn good pilots!
solomonpilot767 1 year ago
@solomonpilot767
we have learned alot from these pilots though too.. computers make flying a hell of a lot safer my friend.. see how many fatal crashes during the 70's in the US..
tomatoface181 1 year ago
@solomonpilot767 What did they actually use on the 707s and 727s? Always wondered.
Flyglobespan93 1 year ago
at exactly do u mean my friend?
solomonpilot767 1 year ago
@solomonpilot767 I mean like how did they find their way around? Like the 737 uses an FMC. Was it some kind of GPS ?
Flyglobespan93 1 year ago
The hell is it with all you peoples mentality regarding old aircraft? Sure it was a golden era and don't get me wrong, I'm fascinated too about it, but really; We need to move on people!
PhilipDK5800 1 year ago
You had to live it to know it buddy !
Sometimes things don't need to be fixed.
mrblujet 1 year ago
Miss Piggy (the 727) did two things really well. Come down and stop!
arkiedarkie 1 year ago
Aviation from 1970 till 2000s were the best
new planes sucks a lot
balajinaidoo 1 year ago 5
those are real pilots!!!! no fmc / mcdu at all
Fernavamini03 2 years ago 21
agreed
javito77 1 year ago
That's real flying :)
Brianhuevo 1 year ago 2
@Fernavamini03
as long as the weather is good ..
anyway .. i must admit .. his face is pro captain
Q8yGodfather 11 months ago
@Fernavamini03 Yes sir, you are 100% right.
nuhaidameer007 11 months ago
Why did the captain like rip the reverse thrust levers so hard
flightsimulatorify 2 years ago
Pilots who flew the older versions of the 727 learned to be aggressive when activating reverse thrust. The levers were difficult to move. Later, the linkage and cable system was equipped with Teflon bearings, and the levers worked much easier. The technique was to bring the levers rapidly up to the 12 o'clock position, where an interlock stopped the levers until the clamshell doors (reversers) moved.
ampicoab 2 years ago 3
When I was a kid my family went to from KPHL to KDFW and had a lay over for a week in Dallas visiting relatives there then from KDFW to KSAN and spent another week there visiting relatives out there. Then did the same hops KSAN to KDFW to KPHL. We had a small 3 hour lay over in KDFW but that was it and all the flights were on American Airlines 727s.
LisaAnne064 2 years ago
What I wouldn't give for a flight on the 727 again.
w5pda 2 years ago 2
Great video, I do hope they find a way to do time travel to the past, I want to go back to this time...
Fuck the A320, give me a 727 any day!
ThreeCharlieKilo 2 years ago 5
oh god yes, the good old days of air travel, so much better than what it is now.
boomer757 2 years ago 3
yes fuck the A32o french shit,Boeing is the best and,if it is no't boeing i am no't going,i missd tose old days,my dad was a capt on,B707 and,727 and,thanks 4 posting 5*****
solomonpilot767 2 years ago
Well said.
mrblujet 1 year ago 2
Yeah those were the days of real pilots. I wonder why the capt switched on all the lights just before parking at the gate
bolar500 2 years ago
Blinking the lights was a common practice to get the attention of the mechanic in charge parking, so that the aircraft could be marshaled into parking without delay. This was only done at busy airports where the mechanics were assigned to several gates.
ampicoab 2 years ago
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malibularry 1 year ago
This is the jet era when pilots accualy hand flew their planes.
Now we had autopilot. Pilots still know how to fly them, there just not the jet pilots of yesterday.
umahuma4 2 years ago 2
EXELENT AIRMANSHIP! He knows his plane. I will give anything to go back to those golden jet days, Not what we have today, to much technology, and little hand on the plane.
I would give my soul to the devil to be in that 727, and that´s NOT a joke!
Phantom713Hawk 2 years ago
I would sell my soul to the devil to OWN a 727-200.
umahuma4 2 years ago
This may be the best 727 flight deck video ever. It almost hurts to watch though. It was my dream job.
Learjetjock 2 years ago 3
great vid, but rather annoying is how hard he pulls the reverse. c'mon a little over the top.
jaronee 2 years ago
Too bad the vid doesn't show all the action. The reverse actuation is actually the second thing which you see. The first, is the spoiler lever being pulled rapidly full aft, then the reverse levers being pulled to about the 50% (12 o'clock) position. The vid shows the Captain's shoulder movement during the spoiler activation, then you see the reverse lever action with his hand.
ampicoab 2 years ago
The hand must transfer from the spoiler lever to the reverse levers, and to be effective, it must be done quickly. In a crosswind, slowly deploying the spoilers can have unpredictable results and is not recommended. Both these controls are aerodynamic braking, which means they are most effective at high speed. In this landing, the wheel brakes were only briefly used as the prior aerodynamic braking slowed the A/C to taxi speed, smoothly and economically.
ampicoab 2 years ago
Those were the good old days of real jet flying.
tom110111 2 years ago 13
TWA was the best. A real class act. I miss them terribly. I can remember my grandfather taking me to Lambert St. Louis way back in the early 1960s. TWA Boeing 707s and connies were everywhere.
Skyflite 2 years ago 7
A real pilots airplane as evidenced by the control inputs. The days when you had to actually fly an airliner to the ground are long gone.
lucabrasi1337 2 years ago 5
Never flew the 72, although I have always heard how great it was to fly...
However, I COMPLETELY disagree with your statement of those days being "long gone"... Yes, ***some*** of the airliners have autoland-- but it is rarely used!
Those days are not "long gone", and it still takes skill to fly these things safely-- as evidenced by Capt. Sully and the US Air crash in the Hudson...
Safety and Economics are directly related! Thank you Sully for re-emphasizing this!!
0m1nous 2 years ago 3
Man I miss those times!
issueagent 2 years ago
I love the sound of the FedEx 727 flying over my house!
IloveSPIDERZ 2 years ago
I miss TWA and all the traffic at Lambert that disappeared with it.
pdmad 2 years ago 3
Text this "JAT Boeing 727" in search box and see that B727 landing!!!
ZKORALINL 2 years ago
Lol this plane really sounds like a boat with all those cracking noises!
marko071988 2 years ago 3
that noise is actually the trim.
91Snyder 2 years ago
that is some serious yoke movement over thresh hold! Ground effect, x-winds? Amazing piloting skills. The 727 is the BEST! shame its gone :(
v12kid 2 years ago
Finally got to fly a 727 sim from the FO side down in Florida to quench my need to fly a 727 at some point in my life and I learned a lesson I guess many 727 F/O's learn with the trim wheel. Needless to say there was a little bruiseing to my left knee. Back to glass and FMS though now.
Learjetjock 2 years ago 2
Where'd you do that?
ThreeCharlieKilo 2 years ago
Either Fedex or ups got all their old planes like the 727 and did up the cockpits like newer planes, they have onl;y 2 ppl flying them now and they have glass cockpits with monitors and screens rather than knobs and stuff there.
azacool 2 years ago
FedEx has not modified and B727 cockpits to two man crews.
glewisfly 2 years ago
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azacool 2 years ago
What was the warning at 3:10?
azacool 2 years ago
The radar altimeter makes the tone when the aircraft descends through 500 feet above the ground. The pilot not flying calls out the airspeed and sink rate at that time.
ampicoab 2 years ago
when was this filmed?
tonightwefly 2 years ago
July, 1999.
ampicoab 2 years ago
Best Of The Best it need real pilot to fly it
amiri320 2 years ago
best plane ever built..need the 727-300
littlebitch231 2 years ago 3
None of that FMS crap!!! You actually had to know what you were doing to fly this bird!!!
TWAB707 2 years ago
Yeah get rid of flight computers! Pieces of crap!
DaveWBedford 2 years ago
awful landing :|
D4yMar3 2 years ago
man, aint it just a shame TWA went out of business
DayJetFan 2 years ago 5
Indeed it is! Same goes for Pan Am, those were the good old pioneering airlines!
incheon 2 years ago 2
Im a mechanic and every single pilot i talked to said there was no better aircraft to fly than the 727
SledHeadNE 2 years ago 3
i hear the same- very cool the co pilot says the amount of feet to the ground instead of a computer in a 727. all the new vids of a330s and a340s all have a computer robot voice going "50 40 30 20 10"
MikeMoneyMiami 2 years ago 2