I know you are a nice guy and have shared a lot with the internet tt community but you must understand that some of your rating is somewhat derived from the simple fact that you are almost always more comfortable judging the ball that comes from your opponent than they are. You are used to playing against loopers....and so are the loopers...so while you have developed a feel for receiving the shots of a looper, your opponent can rarely say the same about you, and that is a massive advantage.
@EnnesX That might be true for players who I only play occasionally or for the first time.. However, in that specific video, the player that I'm playing against usually plays me once a week, so it's not really unexpected for him on how the ball comes to him.. BTW, my rating is no longer in the 2100's ;-) I should be over 2300 once the NA Teams are processed..
@EnnesX Part of succeeding in a sport is devising a strategy that provides an advantage. A southpaw boxer has an edge because opponents aren't used to the power coming from the left. By your theory, does that mean lefty Manny Pacquiao's world championships are invalid? Mader's just good, and part of that is his cleverness in developing a style that gives him an advantage. I use him as an object lesson to my children, particularly my aspiring push-blocking 13 yr old.
@TheKarub1 Das amerikanische Rating ist nicht das selbe wie das in Deutschland.
Dieses video ist 3 Jahre alt und ich habe mich auf 2246 rating verbessert.
Wenn man die ergebnisse aller Deutschen spieler in den USA und amerikanern in Deutschland vergleicht, kann man folgenden Vergleich ziehen: Bezirksliga = 2000 rating durchschnitt, landesliga 2150 durchschnitt, verbandsliga 2250 durchschnitt, oberliga 2350 durchschnitt, regionalliga 2500 durchschnitt, 2. Bundesliga 2650, 1. Bundesligs 2800
@TimRoth94 Habe vor 1.5 Jahren (als is 2135 rating war) gegen einen spieler welcher in Baden-Württemberg in der Bezirksliga hoechst positive spielt, 3:0 gewonnen. Ich bin jetzt 2285 Rating (#200 von 8000 spielern in den USA) und das entspricht guter Verbandsliga. Mir ist schon klar das mein Spiel nicht beeindruckend ausschaut, es ist aber sehr effektiv.. Habe erst vor kurzem die nummer 515 der Welt in einem Turnier geschlagen..
Das Spiel war nur ein bisschen unglücklich, hab mir nochmal andere Spiele von dir angeschaut und muss sagen, du weißt wie man mit der Noppe umgeht. :)
@TheMroreo95 In that video, I used to use Feint Long II.. Now I'm using Tibhar Grass DTecS.. I'm over 100 points higher rated right now than I was in that video..
don't get ahead of urself Mr Mader, if u were in a country that took table tennis seriously, u wouldnt be able to last at all. Also, i cannot comprehend how u got that rating with ur terrible skills
@Pheer1234 I've been playing in Austria, where table tennis is taken VERY seriousely until age 26 and did pretty well there!! By the way, I'm rated 2212 right now and no longer 2118 ;-)
Check my video, beating Canada's #39 (world #1196)
this was training, so who cares about the serves.. As for the forehand... I'm in the top 7% of all players in the country WITHOUT a notable forehand.. Imagine where I'd be with one ;-)
@grandsportc3 Except that service is the strongest part of the game. Actually you're not within the top 7% of all players in the country. You're in the top 7% of still rated players in this country. There are about 5-10% of players who no longer play here because they don't gain any more points from winning U.S. Tournaments.
Also there are about 20% at the bottom who only play 1 game in a tournament then quit. So I'd say you're more like in the top 20% of U.S. Players.
@LookB3hindU I actually went up to 250th place of 7800 ACTIVE players.. Now I dropped a little bit but I'm still in the high 2100's.. There are thousands of players who still have ratings who don't play anymore. However, those players also have ratings all over the place.. I've been conssitenlty in the top 3 - 4 % of all players..
@grandsportc3 You're not understanding what I'm saying. Those 7800 "Active" players are the average amount of players that the usatt has playing tournaments each month.
What I'm talking about are the percentage of players who consistently play from the time they start to several years later if not the rest of their lives. That number is more like in the 2-3000 range of people playing. There are always new players joining their first tournament that throw off the usatt stats.
@grandsportc3 I know this because there are plenty of schools and programs that require players learning the sport of Table Tennis to go to an official tournament at least once a semester. Penn State does this each and every semester.
Don't get me wrong I don't doubt that your pips technique can be like a wall, but there are thousands of European players who would screw up the usatt rankings if they continued to play here. Luckily they don't.
@LookB3hindU There's no way of knowing how active in their club or in training those inactive players are anymore. If you get to a high level and then quit, you lose skill FAST. I watched a guy who was rated 2450 like 7 years ago lose to a 1850 rated guy who was active in tournaments, he has dropped literally 400 points in official rating in the last 4 years because he stopped training. Also, Olivier here is mid 2200's now after winning the Florida state champs a couple weeks ago, so such that.
@Opalance What are you replying too? I was just pointing out that Olivier kids himself if he thinks he's actually apart of the top 3-4 % of players in the U.S. There are 100's if not 1000's of inactive players from Europe that consistently play at or above the 2600 level. They rarely play in the U.S. however and so this skews his statistic.
Then there are the 25-50 % of players who are rated below 1000 that only play for a short time and then quit. This also skews his statistic.
@LookB3hindU Well if you're going to count former Euro and Asian pros who don't compete in tournaments then you HAVE to count every Joe who plays on his college rec room table who aren't rated. That's the only possible fair way to look at it. If you're going to count inactive players and people who don't play in tournaments, then you have to count them ALL not just the good ones.
@Opalance Um I did. I counted both the people at the bottom who play a short while and the players at the top who are typically at the professional level. This was about statistics on who is rated and who is "Active." I was just pointing out that a U.S. Rating doesn't mean anything because we literally are at the bottom of the food chain. We don't take the sport seriously and may never.
@LookB3hindU No, we're not "good" because you're calling American players bums who don't take this seriously and we dont mean anything and are on the bottom and all his accomplishments mean nothing. So you can go fuck yourself, because it does mean something, maybe not to the rest of the world, but it means something to use, because we work for it, maybe we can't live the fantasy life of getting pro training from infanthood like other countries, but we try as hard as we can.
@Opalance Um we're one of the largest anti spin, long pips country users in the world because we lack the technical skill to play an aggressive inverted style. We have many up and coming stars, but let's get real our best in the past have been Hazinski and Hugh who both after college realized that TT professional wasn't their for them in the U.S.
Most of our Top 100 players in ranking are foreign players who have gained citizenship here in the U.S.
@Opalance Do you remember the fiasco at Nationals last year with Dubina and Landers given a bye to the Finals? We in the U.S. DO NOT take this sport seriously. If we did we'd have more 24/7 clubs and an academic system much like other sports in the U.S.
Or we'd at least have an entertainment aspect where we could watch TT tournaments on TV. If you really think that we in the richest country in the world try as hard as we can to make this sport serious you're in denial kid.
@LookB3hindU Kid?I'm pretty sure we're less than a year apart in age, and unless you've got more than 4 years of marriage and 6 years of college under your belt, I'm guessing I've seen more of life than you.
But yeah, the only thing that gets on tv is football, baseball, basketball, and in some places hockey. The US only cares about those because we own those sports and created them in the form they are used in here in North America.
@Opalance Ah lol it's just a word I use. I've had 7 years of College, but have not found the wife just yet. I know I've seen more of life than most (with the kids and all maybe not more than you) but I became an Eagle Scout, Black Belt, and a National Orchestra member by 17 and am 25 now
Baseball and Basketball are sports that foreign countries compete very well in (Japan, China). But do you really think we couldn't own at Table Tennis if we really put effort into it?
@LookB3hindU Not immediately anyway, no. Other countries are trying, but it takes time.
Also, I was Eagle Scout by 14, but I finished all the requirements while I was 13 but had to wait until after Philmont which I went on 4 days after my 14th birthday, the minimum age. ;)
@Opalance Yeah I knew kids like you. I probably could have done the same, but I just didn't have the time. I was in virtually every music ensemble in our school including one I helped to found, and then there was martial arts and much more on the church side so :P
I unfortunately never had the chance to go to Philmont, but I wanted to so bad. I went on a High Adventure up in Maine. That was truly amaziing. Much like Philmont you can climb up and see into the next state we saw the ocean.
@Opalance I know it'd take time, but personally I don't think there's a sport that the U.S. couldn't compete in if they chose to create the training system. We have some great players here, but they peak because of their lack of enthusiasm. I mean if you couldn't go into this sport professionally where's the motivation? Also if the only means of making money was coaching that's another deterrent.
@LookB3hindU I know, that's a huge problem, why I supported the boycott last year, which was a win-win in the end because they protested for more money and table tennis got a golden boy that news people wanted to show off, aka a pasty white kid from a nice WASP home. But in order for them to actually be able to support themselves they'd have to create a pro-league for the US alone and only let US citizens play for it and it would have to be sponsored by a bunch of big companies who would never d
@Opalance I don't know, we have so many large names in Table Tennis as it is. Volkswagon, Adidas, and Nikon are just a few names that are very popular in the U.S. The trick would just be to sell it to them in a new fashion. The new 41 point system that Killerspin innovated is a good start making a broadcasting split in 4 quarters.
But what's best to do now is more internet viewed TT for the U.S. And Film buffs like myself to keep up the torch and find new ways to broadcast the sport.
Well the top pros I see on TV have legal serves. Maybe they'll try to block your line of sight w/ body or shoulder so the ball can barely be seen, but they always remove their free hand cos that's just too obvious.
If you're talking about high rated amateur players in the US then I don't know. Is that serve usually allowed in US tournaments? I guess if you started playing way before 2000 when the rule was introduced, it might be hard to break that habbit.
There are still a few world class players with illegal serves.. When I'll have time, I might look up some videos.. I played leage in Austria/Europe (where I grew up) from about 1990 - 1994 and started playing again in 1999 (after moving to Florida in 1999).. Played from 1999 - 2002 and stopped for 6 years.. Started playing again last April..
I know you are a nice guy and have shared a lot with the internet tt community but you must understand that some of your rating is somewhat derived from the simple fact that you are almost always more comfortable judging the ball that comes from your opponent than they are. You are used to playing against loopers....and so are the loopers...so while you have developed a feel for receiving the shots of a looper, your opponent can rarely say the same about you, and that is a massive advantage.
EnnesX 2 months ago
@EnnesX That might be true for players who I only play occasionally or for the first time.. However, in that specific video, the player that I'm playing against usually plays me once a week, so it's not really unexpected for him on how the ball comes to him.. BTW, my rating is no longer in the 2100's ;-) I should be over 2300 once the NA Teams are processed..
grandsportc3 2 months ago
@EnnesX Part of succeeding in a sport is devising a strategy that provides an advantage. A southpaw boxer has an edge because opponents aren't used to the power coming from the left. By your theory, does that mean lefty Manny Pacquiao's world championships are invalid? Mader's just good, and part of that is his cleverness in developing a style that gives him an advantage. I use him as an object lesson to my children, particularly my aspiring push-blocking 13 yr old.
bizlawprofessor 2 months ago
sorry aber ein rating von 2118 scheint mir unmöglich
der beste spieler unseres vereins hat 2096 und spielt regionalliga vorne (würde sie jeden satz zu 5 oder zu4 zerstören)
keine ahnung wie das in den usa mit den punkten geregelt wird :P
TheKarub1 9 months ago
@TheKarub1 Das amerikanische Rating ist nicht das selbe wie das in Deutschland.
Dieses video ist 3 Jahre alt und ich habe mich auf 2246 rating verbessert.
Wenn man die ergebnisse aller Deutschen spieler in den USA und amerikanern in Deutschland vergleicht, kann man folgenden Vergleich ziehen: Bezirksliga = 2000 rating durchschnitt, landesliga 2150 durchschnitt, verbandsliga 2250 durchschnitt, oberliga 2350 durchschnitt, regionalliga 2500 durchschnitt, 2. Bundesliga 2650, 1. Bundesligs 2800
grandsportc3 9 months ago
@grandsportc3
Sorry aber der Asiate würde in keiner deutschen Bezirksliga was reißen...
Du bist aber nicht schlecht, ganz solider Bezirkliga hinten (positiv) spieler. Zumindest in hessen.
TimRoth94 7 months ago
@TimRoth94 Habe vor 1.5 Jahren (als is 2135 rating war) gegen einen spieler welcher in Baden-Württemberg in der Bezirksliga hoechst positive spielt, 3:0 gewonnen. Ich bin jetzt 2285 Rating (#200 von 8000 spielern in den USA) und das entspricht guter Verbandsliga. Mir ist schon klar das mein Spiel nicht beeindruckend ausschaut, es ist aber sehr effektiv.. Habe erst vor kurzem die nummer 515 der Welt in einem Turnier geschlagen..
grandsportc3 7 months ago
@grandsportc3
Tut mir leid, nehme alles zurück ;)
Das Spiel war nur ein bisschen unglücklich, hab mir nochmal andere Spiele von dir angeschaut und muss sagen, du weißt wie man mit der Noppe umgeht. :)
Jetzt musst du nur noch an der Vorhand feilen ;)
TimRoth94 7 months ago
If anybody calls it fun and hobby, that is nice and OK. The moment you call it serious and professional, you are in trouble.
semiambidextrous 11 months ago
Do you use long pips
TheMroreo95 1 year ago
@TheMroreo95 In that video, I used to use Feint Long II.. Now I'm using Tibhar Grass DTecS.. I'm over 100 points higher rated right now than I was in that video..
grandsportc3 1 year ago
don't get ahead of urself Mr Mader, if u were in a country that took table tennis seriously, u wouldnt be able to last at all. Also, i cannot comprehend how u got that rating with ur terrible skills
Pheer1234 1 year ago
@Pheer1234 I've been playing in Austria, where table tennis is taken VERY seriousely until age 26 and did pretty well there!! By the way, I'm rated 2212 right now and no longer 2118 ;-)
Check my video, beating Canada's #39 (world #1196)
grandsportc3 1 year ago
@grandsportc3 Don't listen to him, apparenly he dosen't know that ping pongs not all about winning but having fun, but your really good :)
13CatShitOne37 1 year ago
The asian guy has bad footwork hmph
pokeywoop 1 year ago
A man that says he knows.... knows not.
A man that is silent with what he knows... knows a lot...
I run from the man that knows it all...
I sit in silence with the man that embodies knowledge..
I don't need to know...
knowing comes when it is needed.
I know nothing...
I need nothing...
Luvanicebum 1 year ago
I enjoyed it. It taught me a little bit about how to beat a back hand blocker. I always lose to one :)
Bughunter112 1 year ago
the only good thing about this video is the girl at 4:21
ikaros21 1 year ago
lächerlich
kloakenspundloch 2 years ago
for the man in blue shirt...what's is your forehand stroke in this video?...apart the illegal serves of course:P
demonxsd 2 years ago
this was training, so who cares about the serves.. As for the forehand... I'm in the top 7% of all players in the country WITHOUT a notable forehand.. Imagine where I'd be with one ;-)
grandsportc3 2 years ago
@grandsportc3
well, it's like being a top boxer without left-handed punches, i guess...
PrzystankersFCB 1 year ago
@grandsportc3 damn dont think u were good with forehand u are as noob
ersguterjunge467 1 year ago
@grandsportc3 Except that service is the strongest part of the game. Actually you're not within the top 7% of all players in the country. You're in the top 7% of still rated players in this country. There are about 5-10% of players who no longer play here because they don't gain any more points from winning U.S. Tournaments.
Also there are about 20% at the bottom who only play 1 game in a tournament then quit. So I'd say you're more like in the top 20% of U.S. Players.
LookB3hindU 1 year ago
@LookB3hindU I actually went up to 250th place of 7800 ACTIVE players.. Now I dropped a little bit but I'm still in the high 2100's.. There are thousands of players who still have ratings who don't play anymore. However, those players also have ratings all over the place.. I've been conssitenlty in the top 3 - 4 % of all players..
grandsportc3 1 year ago
@grandsportc3 You're not understanding what I'm saying. Those 7800 "Active" players are the average amount of players that the usatt has playing tournaments each month.
What I'm talking about are the percentage of players who consistently play from the time they start to several years later if not the rest of their lives. That number is more like in the 2-3000 range of people playing. There are always new players joining their first tournament that throw off the usatt stats.
LookB3hindU 1 year ago
@grandsportc3 I know this because there are plenty of schools and programs that require players learning the sport of Table Tennis to go to an official tournament at least once a semester. Penn State does this each and every semester.
Don't get me wrong I don't doubt that your pips technique can be like a wall, but there are thousands of European players who would screw up the usatt rankings if they continued to play here. Luckily they don't.
LookB3hindU 1 year ago
@LookB3hindU There's no way of knowing how active in their club or in training those inactive players are anymore. If you get to a high level and then quit, you lose skill FAST. I watched a guy who was rated 2450 like 7 years ago lose to a 1850 rated guy who was active in tournaments, he has dropped literally 400 points in official rating in the last 4 years because he stopped training. Also, Olivier here is mid 2200's now after winning the Florida state champs a couple weeks ago, so such that.
Opalance 1 year ago
@Opalance What are you replying too? I was just pointing out that Olivier kids himself if he thinks he's actually apart of the top 3-4 % of players in the U.S. There are 100's if not 1000's of inactive players from Europe that consistently play at or above the 2600 level. They rarely play in the U.S. however and so this skews his statistic.
Then there are the 25-50 % of players who are rated below 1000 that only play for a short time and then quit. This also skews his statistic.
LookB3hindU 1 year ago
@LookB3hindU Well if you're going to count former Euro and Asian pros who don't compete in tournaments then you HAVE to count every Joe who plays on his college rec room table who aren't rated. That's the only possible fair way to look at it. If you're going to count inactive players and people who don't play in tournaments, then you have to count them ALL not just the good ones.
Opalance 1 year ago
@Opalance Um I did. I counted both the people at the bottom who play a short while and the players at the top who are typically at the professional level. This was about statistics on who is rated and who is "Active." I was just pointing out that a U.S. Rating doesn't mean anything because we literally are at the bottom of the food chain. We don't take the sport seriously and may never.
So we good?
LookB3hindU 1 year ago
@LookB3hindU No, we're not "good" because you're calling American players bums who don't take this seriously and we dont mean anything and are on the bottom and all his accomplishments mean nothing. So you can go fuck yourself, because it does mean something, maybe not to the rest of the world, but it means something to use, because we work for it, maybe we can't live the fantasy life of getting pro training from infanthood like other countries, but we try as hard as we can.
Opalance 1 year ago
@Opalance Um we're one of the largest anti spin, long pips country users in the world because we lack the technical skill to play an aggressive inverted style. We have many up and coming stars, but let's get real our best in the past have been Hazinski and Hugh who both after college realized that TT professional wasn't their for them in the U.S.
Most of our Top 100 players in ranking are foreign players who have gained citizenship here in the U.S.
LookB3hindU 1 year ago
@Opalance Do you remember the fiasco at Nationals last year with Dubina and Landers given a bye to the Finals? We in the U.S. DO NOT take this sport seriously. If we did we'd have more 24/7 clubs and an academic system much like other sports in the U.S.
Or we'd at least have an entertainment aspect where we could watch TT tournaments on TV. If you really think that we in the richest country in the world try as hard as we can to make this sport serious you're in denial kid.
LookB3hindU 1 year ago
@LookB3hindU Kid?I'm pretty sure we're less than a year apart in age, and unless you've got more than 4 years of marriage and 6 years of college under your belt, I'm guessing I've seen more of life than you.
But yeah, the only thing that gets on tv is football, baseball, basketball, and in some places hockey. The US only cares about those because we own those sports and created them in the form they are used in here in North America.
Opalance 1 year ago
@Opalance Ah lol it's just a word I use. I've had 7 years of College, but have not found the wife just yet. I know I've seen more of life than most (with the kids and all maybe not more than you) but I became an Eagle Scout, Black Belt, and a National Orchestra member by 17 and am 25 now
Baseball and Basketball are sports that foreign countries compete very well in (Japan, China). But do you really think we couldn't own at Table Tennis if we really put effort into it?
LookB3hindU 1 year ago
@LookB3hindU Not immediately anyway, no. Other countries are trying, but it takes time.
Also, I was Eagle Scout by 14, but I finished all the requirements while I was 13 but had to wait until after Philmont which I went on 4 days after my 14th birthday, the minimum age. ;)
Opalance 1 year ago
@Opalance Yeah I knew kids like you. I probably could have done the same, but I just didn't have the time. I was in virtually every music ensemble in our school including one I helped to found, and then there was martial arts and much more on the church side so :P
I unfortunately never had the chance to go to Philmont, but I wanted to so bad. I went on a High Adventure up in Maine. That was truly amaziing. Much like Philmont you can climb up and see into the next state we saw the ocean.
LookB3hindU 1 year ago
@Opalance I know it'd take time, but personally I don't think there's a sport that the U.S. couldn't compete in if they chose to create the training system. We have some great players here, but they peak because of their lack of enthusiasm. I mean if you couldn't go into this sport professionally where's the motivation? Also if the only means of making money was coaching that's another deterrent.
LookB3hindU 1 year ago
@LookB3hindU I know, that's a huge problem, why I supported the boycott last year, which was a win-win in the end because they protested for more money and table tennis got a golden boy that news people wanted to show off, aka a pasty white kid from a nice WASP home. But in order for them to actually be able to support themselves they'd have to create a pro-league for the US alone and only let US citizens play for it and it would have to be sponsored by a bunch of big companies who would never d
Opalance 1 year ago
@Opalance I don't know, we have so many large names in Table Tennis as it is. Volkswagon, Adidas, and Nikon are just a few names that are very popular in the U.S. The trick would just be to sell it to them in a new fashion. The new 41 point system that Killerspin innovated is a good start making a broadcasting split in 4 quarters.
But what's best to do now is more internet viewed TT for the U.S. And Film buffs like myself to keep up the torch and find new ways to broadcast the sport.
LookB3hindU 1 year ago
Isn't Olivier's serve in the beginning (at 0:07) illegal? It's a hidden serve, right? He did that a few times later also.
ZingyDNA 3 years ago
Even players at the top level serve illegally.. I try to serve legally but unconciousely, I often still serve illegally..
grandsportc3 3 years ago
Well the top pros I see on TV have legal serves. Maybe they'll try to block your line of sight w/ body or shoulder so the ball can barely be seen, but they always remove their free hand cos that's just too obvious.
If you're talking about high rated amateur players in the US then I don't know. Is that serve usually allowed in US tournaments? I guess if you started playing way before 2000 when the rule was introduced, it might be hard to break that habbit.
ZingyDNA 3 years ago
There are still a few world class players with illegal serves.. When I'll have time, I might look up some videos.. I played leage in Austria/Europe (where I grew up) from about 1990 - 1994 and started playing again in 1999 (after moving to Florida in 1999).. Played from 1999 - 2002 and stopped for 6 years.. Started playing again last April..
grandsportc3 3 years ago