Our Future In Space panel from TAM Las Vegas 2011

[eatingtacos000]

i love these people . great video! :DD

[DavidMEJames]

Wow! Those were some rowdy scientists.

[MisterAaronRodriguez]

Goddam SON, Neil DeGrasse Tyson is the fucking man!

[Kapitananime]

Some one shut that bitch up.

[Kapitananime]

Soviet lunar Samples were brought back by AFTER Apollo 11. A MANNED Space ship brought back the first samples of the Moon. Only the Lana 16 brought back a sample from the Moon and along with two other unmanned missions. Six were sent but only three worked.

[sayrith]

Super Colliding Super Conductor Button

[charlesvan13]

@sayrith

If they built a comparable collider in the US then we'd be ahead of Europe in high energy physics.

[sayrith]

@charlesvan13 true. However I was referring to the Portal 2 game. Also, is there space to build one that is as big or bigger than LHC?

[kachekieran]

@sayrith as far as i know america had plans to build a hadron collider bigger than the LHC in texas before the LHC was built but it never happened

[sayrith]

Carl Sagan belongs here :')

[van4130]

What a cool conversation! So much respect for everyone on that stage. I think it's great that they don't always see eye-to-eye here. Promotion of vigorous public debate among leaders that share a great deal of common ground helps to inspire passion and enthusiasm among those who listen. I hope I can attend TAM someday!

[ElleOhElleHilarious]

look out, we have a badass over here.

[BiebersBiotch]

i fuckin love neil degrasse

[rustyscrapper]

it is so obious that these scientists are miffed and possibly outraged at the government censored scientific process they are forced to operate under. But they cant say what they really think because if they do their funding gets axed.

[killiancoakley]

Krauss sounds so much like 'Brain'!

[tubeturds]

@killiancoakley Technically, he is!

[qed100]

To me Krauss put on the best showing. I like Tyson, but he's not a very good impromptu public speaker and tends to get carried away with himself. Gay knows astronomy but didn't get to say much the whole time. Nye has a lot of knowledge but he's not razor-sharp when it comes to physics (and physics is central to this issue). Plait I just don't think highly of these days. Krauss is consumately a physicist and always cuts off the fat in short order.

[00Awesomesauce00]

I respect Krauss for his knowledge, but he just really gets on my nerves... Just one of those people I guess.

[someThinkingApe]

Very engaging.

[teewilson333]

Sigh...who cares about space we are constantly pushing our physical sciences while our social and political patterns have remained stationary for hundreds of years. We are politically corrupt, nationally arrogant and inefficient. Growing crime rates, poverty, deaths, mental illness and drug addictions.We still use archaic systems of courts, judges and cops. Our schools have failed, most parents have failed. Growing stupidity of a nuclear arms race. Its like living in a jungle!

[00Awesomesauce00]

@teewilson333 ...Wow, please make sure you never influence a younger mind, thanks in advance.

[teewilson333]

@00Awesomesauce00 If i could elaborate more on what i was saying you would rethink your statement. All i was saying is politics is a outdated method of decision making while science is rapidly pushing forward. And all the apparently unsolvable problems that i listed can be solved by the hearts and minds of men. I wish to see the rise of a civil and humane world in harmony with the earth and technology. Space is irrelevant when our world is so warped.

[teewilson333]

@00Awesomesauce00 How is it bad to influence a child in the direction of achieving a civil world. Like i said we are riddled with problems from pollution to war to greed and corruption. Such problems should be seen as avoidable and entirely unacceptable. Instead children are indoctrinated not educated. They are brought up with harmful values and modes of behavior. Such as national arrogance and greed, selfishness and racism. Children should be influenced in a new direction.

[00Awesomesauce00]

@teewilson333 It is not bad to influence a child in a moral way, but assuming that focusing on solving moral/ethical problems that are based on human nature is purely naive. Exploring our universe will not cure these domestic, human problems, BUT they will not cause more problems to arise neither. Focusing on science is not going to, and never will hinder growth, in heart or mind (it will do the opposite). Exploration and discovery of something more IS our only hope to achieve something more.

[teewilson333]

@00Awesomesauce00 I just fear the direction of man especially when those who utilize the scientific method concern themselves with space and not human affairs when we are so very warped. I could write hundreds of books just about the problems of our current social system's all around the world. But i must agree it was ignorant to argue the need of discovering what lies beyond. I simply am not concerned with whats beyond.

[00Awesomesauce00]

@teewilson333 Your fear is definitely justified, we just have two different ideas on how to solve said problems. I believe we need something that is unknown to us right now, while you want to solve the problem with means known to us. I don't disagree with your intent at all, I definitely respect it and appreciate it. Regardless, it won't be our thoughts that are or desires that are remembered, unfortunately that place has been taken by 'Jersey Shore" and Fox News. If intentions mattered, eh? :P

[00Awesomesauce00]

@00Awesomesauce00 ***a couple grammatical errors, cut me some slack haha***

[teewilson333]

@00Awesomesauce00 I believe we can solve all of the apparent problems with abundance and technology. No one would steal if everything was abundantly accessible leaving no room for money and thus no crime, cops, judges, greed etc. Get rid of cars and design holistic transportation systems like maglev trains to reduce pollution. Stop using wood it rots and catches fire. Modify conditions so that no one can become a murderer or rapist. I could elaborate EXTENSIVELY in a PM.

[00Awesomesauce00]

@teewilson333 If you are down for talking more about this, definitely send me a message or email. I really do love your ideas, they just seem too idealistic.

[00Awesomesauce00]

@teewilson333 I meant no offense, but honestly, to argue the need of discovery and knowledge is just ignorant.

[axblake1]

I hate Lawrence Krauss

[Ievolovel]

I love Bill Nye. Met him while he was stoned LOLOLOL and Neil.. hands down the greatest successor to Sagan... and Krauss is just the fucking brain, yo!

For the lady I'm sorry to say I'm not knowledgeable of any of her work :( BUT time to find out!

[PureZephyr156]

god I cant stand Lawrence Krauss

[Ievolovel]

@PureZephyr156 Why's that? You could have just kept that to yourself.  Time to elaborate.

[superhamzah85]

I love the squabbles between Neil and Lawrence, not just because it's entertaining to watch two heavyweights flexing - but diversity in thinking is a core aspect of science. How dull and tedious a world it would be if we were thinking the same.

[DrEthanAsia1]

everything deGrasse Tyson says is the absolute balls.

[superhamzah85]

@DrEthanAsia1

You are absolute vulva slime.

[DrEthanAsia1]

@superhamzah85 THE balls, not just balls. I love NDT!

[nothosaur]

Excellent point -- the bailouts were and illegal and ridiculous waste of money. It needs to be said. Space exploration would have been much better use of that money.

[kangsan2014]

Bill Nye doesn't seem as smart as the other scientists.

[etha909]

When Neil isn't speaking, it looks like he's conserving energy. Storing for future power-sentences.

[A801506]

Bill Nye!? :D

[imcrazy85]

get your own money to play with we have bigger fish right now

[basmithtx]

@imcrazy85 Did you not hear him say that the entire history of Nasa cost less than the bailouts? It's the same sort of nonsense that very nearly kept mankind from discovering and using electricity, because the initial discoveries were laughed at by the "powers at be" who had useless "wars to conduct"... extremely shortsighted. And speaking of "bigger fish"... the Chinese don't care about our "bigger fish".

[imcrazy85]

@basmithtx did you not hear him say there is a budget of what 3 trillion dollars to play with. we have people out of work a bs government and a huge debt to take care of is what i meant not the war and i dont think this war was useless lol. and im sorry i dont care what he said nasa has not in its history been less then the bailout.maybe what the public knows but i dont think so lol and to discover electricity they only used a kite and string with key hardly any money went to that ha

[iz2sicc]

@imcrazy85 What's your bigger fish? I hope you realize that NASA does not have a huge budget. This is a problem of ignorance. You just hear the amount of the budget, but fail to put it into perspective. Compare it to other pointless budgets like the Big 3 bailout. By the way, if you put the brakes on our understanding of the Universe, you put the brakes on technological advancement and the advancement of our understanding about the our place in this world.

[imcrazy85]

@iz2sicc yea ok the bigger fish were mentioned and there is sooo much technology kept from us so please dont there is enough for another 20 yrs atleast.

[iz2sicc]

@imcrazy85 What will you do when the 20 years have passed? Are you suggesting that military and civilian technology should be on the same level? This is what will happen in your 20 year scenario. Perhaps you're suggesting we put it off for 10 years. Then you are assuming 10 years is enough for advancement. You not wanting the US to fund programs like the James Webb Telescope is just plain ignorant. As ignorant as many politicians.

[bromordra]

Is anyone else completely digging the new revived JREF channel?

[hardinmichael1981]

@37:18 - 40:08 Most Important point in the discussion. (IMHO)

[dexterquotidian]

men's locker-room may be stinky for her nose but not as much as her ugly fat body hurts my eye. so we both might as well just suck it up without commenting on what we find disgusting... if she can get away with that then so should I commenting on her looks. she may say it's not her fault she is ugly but then again is it men's fault that they smell bad when they work hard?

[qed100]

@dexterquotidian You think she's ugly? Of the five people there, she's the only one I'd care to get nekked with.

[hardinmichael1981]

Neil DeGrasse Tyson for President of EARTH!!!

[humptydance1]

@hardinmichael1981 i think he'd hold a pretty high position in the universe too

[hardinmichael1981]

Bill Nye The Bow-Tie Guy

[tweaker1bms]

@hardinmichael1981 Is it me or does it seem like once guys go bow-tie...?

[SlightlyNotorious]

James Webb isn't being Cancelled!! :D

[pustolov9]

haha neil is st0ned. lol love it!

[SteveDutchy]

How do you call that purple thing that the guy with the loud voice has in English?

[laflugantabastardo]

@SteveDutchy

Bowtie?

[cristianfcao]

@SteveDutchy Bow Tie?

[Blurtex33]

bill nye looks like a shoe

[SteveDutchy]

I love to watch these kind of videos while I'm having dinner.

[bigtuna2013]

what's with Neil degrasse Tyson?



[hooloovoo1st]

Sorry, had to thumb it down. These people are supposed to be intellectual titans, and we claim to want our youth to be inspired by them. I'd rather young people were NOT inspired by petulant children. Tyson especially was a total ass on this occasion. I'm usually a fan of his particular oratorical style, but it is definitely not suited to panel discussions.

[U9B]

@hooloovoo1st

Would you prefer the pretense you grew up with involving human relations?

[detahdomo]

@hooloovoo1st they're regular people like anyone else. yes they're in the public and yes they're frontrunners in popular science, but they aren't robots.

[hooloovoo1st]

Why are they bickering like children?

[tashmoney44]

@hooloovoo1st your DEFINITELY a virgin...either that or a republican. Who are you to say whats acceptable to do on a panel from your desktop? Get over yourself

[tml4873]

Really unimpressed at how deGrasse Tyson doesn't seem to recognise the difference between true cost and dollar cost. Dollars are imaginary. The whole concept of spending finite resources in the pursuit of something such as sending the mega rich into space, in return for an imaginary return is absurd. Now, if they got left in space, then maybe it might be worth it.

[CyberiusT]

@tml4873 I must be reading you wrong. The cost of the program is in dollars - as you say, imaginary (anyone who doubts that, btw, should research fiat currency and the gold standard). The returns are incalculable. A manned program inspires people to do stuff. The program itself has had myriad spinoffs without which the world would be a very different (and poorer) place.

Granted, losing some of the ultra-rich 'entitled' guys might not be a bad thing, though.

[tml4873]

@CyberiusT The true cost is the resources you use (energy, materials, time). Dollars, and even gold, is just something used to represent value. There's usually a pretty large disconnect between dollar cost, dollar value, true cost, and true value (which is obviously subjective). Someone may spend a billion dollars on a painting of themselves, or a billion dollars on a trip to the moon, but obviously the true cost of those two things are completely different. Just because something is (continued)

[tml4873]

@tml4873 monetarily profitable does not mean it's good value for anyone. You can argue that the return on sending people into low earth orbit is somehow, indirectly "incalculable", but that's a pretty tough thing to prove. It's also not the argument that Tyson was presenting around the 17 minute mark. He was talking purely about money profit. The amount of money is infinite, because we create it out of nothing. The things we use up when we transfer this money back and forth is not.

[shadowmax889]

i love Neal Trolling Krauss @ 42:00

[Ignorantf00l]

Whenever Neil Tyson gets into his monologues, I think that heck he should be a politician as well. Great speaker, rockhard arguments etc.

[shawndimery]

Who the hell is Bill Nye?

[laflugantabastardo]

@shawndimery

Bill Bye the Science Guy, apparently he's used to do some kids show in the US and was crazy popular.

[shawndimery]

@laflugantabastardo Thanks, im in the UK so thats probably why ive never heard of him!

[krishnadas4x]

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[frostyuk2007]

I can see why these guys can't be trusted in finance, the massive funding from the government is stolen money. You have no clue how economics work and that's why the program has gone bust. The free market does everything cheaper, remove governments and you remove tax, the whole world becomes very cheap. Government are simply the most inefficiently run massively over manned companies that have failed and collapsed the global economy. Love you guys, but your economics suck. The world has changed.

[shadowmax889]

@frostyuk2007 yes you are right but as Neil said the pyoneers always will be faunded by goverments.

[frostyuk2007]

@shadowmax889 Yeah Neil said that only a government has the money, but free market companies are funded by people all over the world. They have a potential for a far larger budget...... Who know's eh, the future is not in the hands of the rational sadly.

[shadowmax889]

@frostyuk2007 No they are not "funded" they have money becasue of buisnesses. It's their money, and because of that they are not going to put it if there is not a clear chance of return of the investment at short, middle or long run. Right now i only see private companies making missions by putting satellites in orbit, maintenance services for those satellites or space tours, no mision to the Moon or Mars. Those misions will be only funded by goverments, as they should be.

[frostyuk2007]

@shadowmax889 No government has any money, they have your money which is backed the possible future productivity of your unborn children. Think of all the people all over the world who'd like to colonise Mars say for example. A small donation from hundreds of millions of people on the planet, some like myself and you would donate every week, others one off payments and some huge donations. If there is a desire the free market will provide, the whole world wants this. People will make it happen.

[frostyuk2007]

@shadowmax889 And that's just one way to raise the capital, a free market company could even advertise that product X is $5 more for funding towards space missions. That could be a product as simple as a must have gadget, the latest trend and because the company is open and honest about what the fund is for I'd guarantee huge dividends, enough to fund NASA and several other agencies. This is basic business, every free market entrepreneur can tell you I'm right. This is good economics.

[shadowmax889]

@frostyuk2007 What you just descibe was a tax for space development up on a product sold

[frostyuk2007]

@shadowmax889 No mate, it's a voluntary payment. Say for example you sell a painted cover for an Iphone, that iphone would have hubble images printed on them and sell for $5 more. TAXES are not voluntary, the idea I'm giving you is!

Voluntaryism is the answer, this is just one of thousands of ideas I have for generating funds I have and I'm just one person, what about the other 7 billion?

[frostyuk2007]

@shadowmax889 Sorry, I know this has taken up 2 messages already but I have one final point to make on this issue. If NASA wants funding, these scientist should be speaking to me, I can show them how to gain 5 times their funding in less than 2 years despite the economic collapse.

[shadowmax889]

@frostyuk2007 and you are????

[eequalsfb]

Man, who pissed in Tyson's Corn Flakes that morning?

[Jotto999]

Great panel! I like the Tyson/Krauss duels, they cover good in-depth ground in their arguments.

[RFC3514]

Lawrence Krauss is the kind of guy who would set up a shop in his own basement and then wonder why he was going bankrupt.

Manned space exploration isn't meant to be cutting edge science; it's a shop window. It's the thing that people can see and relate to and get excited about, and that's what ensures that the money keeps flowing in, so you can keep developing all the cutting-edge stuff in the back room.

[RFC3514]

Saying that "the Apollo programme cost X billion dollars" is kind of meaningless. That money wasn't lost, it went to the people who worked for NASA, to the companies that manufactured the parts, who paid their suppliers and so on. In many cases those were the same people and the same companies that would otherwise have been (and are now) paid to build bombers and missiles to kill evil foreigners, or to tap your phone. All in all, maybe starting a colony on Mars would be more productive...

[tanekki]

Bill Nye at 37:00 is the whitest guy ever.

[TheCraich]

Bill Nye looks like Kramer now.

[rgzdev]

Why did it have to end?

[VonManavis]

They could have at least TRY to have Ann Druyan there! I am sorry, too much pessimism. What are they advertising? Iphones?

[rdloorz]

Tyson has less patience with other smart people than he has with the rest of us.

[rgzdev]

We need to arrange another cold war, maybe against with China. Imagine the progress we could make!

[hermoda]

Neil is annoyingly aggressive. I don't see why these guys are arguing with eachother over very petty matters

[Zeyrion]

@hermoda Agreed, Neil is great and all but fuck, he's by far the most annoying. Let Krauss speaks ffs.

[kev3d]

It is interesting to hear we CAN afford manned and unmanned space exploration (the implication being much more ambitious exploration at that) but, frankly, the Nation is heavily in debt as are most nations. So what do these folks propose be cut in order to pay for more space exploration? Besides, I don't see why average Joe taxpayer should fund (by forcible taxation) research into the expansion of the universe when he needs to feed, clothe and house his family.

[byteresistor]

@kev3d Developing technology for future space exploration creates jobs and technology that will be usefull for more than just space exploration (this has happened before, there would propably be be no computer chips or GPS etc. without the space program). It's not as if by investing in it you only loose and gain nothing concrete.

[PixelSlayer247]

Best hour of my life!

[PixelSlayer247]

Bill! Bill! Bill! Bill! Bill! <3<3<3

[dookdawg214]

Bill Nye is awesome. I used to watch him on TV as a kid. He made science seem fun.

[feldsliscia]

about the argument @ 37:00, I'm watching this via Youtube and acquiring knowledge. I'm not wealthy enough to go all the way to TAM! (I'm in Brazil) but my "virtual presence" is pretty valuable for me!

[jussts]

Krauss and Tyson are hilariously antagonistic.

[RichieJohnSauls]

46:00 "[I]ce fishing on Europa." DeGrasse Tyson – Life hasn't been discovered on Europa yet and you already want to eradicate it.

[Anon12356]

Moving people to Mars or other planets/solar systems and teraforming might not be the best way to survive an asteroid, but what about Gamma-ray bursts aimed at Earth? There are worse things in space than asteroids.

[CyberiusT]

@Anon12356 Other solar systems is just plain out of the question - you'd need FTL drives or generation ships to do that. Locally, if there's a gamma-ray burst that Earth has to worry about, it will be just as big a worry for everything in the solar system. Mars would be worse of than us, actually - it has almost no magnetic field and a very thin atmosphere. Even normal solar radiation is blistering there, and it gets a whole lot less insolation than we do.

[Anon12356]

@CyberiusT

Exactly how are generation ships out of the question? Terraforming Mars may not be a good way to avoid a gamma-ray burst, but I don't understand why you think generation ships are just plain out of the question.

[CyberiusT]

@Anon12356 Because a generation ship would need to be bigger than a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier. That would need to be built in orbit, since nothing extant, planned, or currently feasible could lift that much. Currently, the orbital workforce can be counted on one hand. How many centuries do you think it would take to build a Nimitz with just 5 workers?

[Anon12356]

@CyberiusT

I still don't see how this is out of the question. Generation ships may be out of reach currently (so is terraforming Mars), but in the future I think this could definitely be a possibility.

[CyberiusT]

@Anon12356 Keyword: IS. It IS out of the question. Whether or not it it WILL BE is another question. Given the past 500 years' progress, I wouldn't bet against almost anything at this point for future capabilities if you look far enough down the line. I very much doubt, however, that a generation ship will be feasible within the next century, and that's a pretty broad value for a verb which belongs in the present tense. ;)

[Anon12356]

@CyberiusT

Then I think we are in agreement. I don't believe I ever stated generation ships were currently an option anyway though.

[Agrajag68]

Neil Degrasse Tyson is such a wind bag. He loves to hear himself talk and never says much of anything.

[grraadd]

So only big government can finance science?

- sad belief based on nothing...

Only war can advance technology, or great projects?

- very sad effect of propaganda

[mfunke]

Inspiring panel. Too much awesomeness!

[JoesephKatana]

sign me up for the one way trip

[tyrongkojy]

"Please don't say that, you will ecorage the crackpots." Excellent line. Scientists need to heed this kind of advice a lot more.

[MagnusIan]

If only we could take all the money used towards war and instead put that to use in space exploration. To find new worlds... to go to war with, ya know?

We need a manned Mars mission, damnit!

AND THEY BETTER NOT CANCEL THE JWST!!!!!!!

[JPO1618]

@MagnusIan JWST funding was approved last week in NASA's budget. Hooray!

[TheRedneckAtheist]

What I find amazing: The fact that they finally have a sound engineer that can hook up the audio feed into a recorder instead of just using a camera mic!

[pendulousphallus]

Neil in Interruptor Jones.

[CyberiusT]

Why do we want people in LEO? Becauae it's half way to anywhere in the solar system energy-wise, that's why! Want a moonbase? It's easier with a space station. Same for asteroid mining.

Sheesh. Jerry Pournelle was writing about this in the 80s.

[stiimuli]

this panel would be the MOST AWESOME sitcom in the history of mankind.

make it happen!

[Wittgensteinism]

Watch from 37:10 to 37:18. At the end of Krauss talking, you can see him look over to Neil as though intending it to be a friendly jab at Neil. The look on Krauss's face after looking over at Neil is one of such priceless disappointment. It's as if Krauss is saying to Neil "ya like that one?" and Neil just stares straight ahead with a glazed look in his eyes, to which Krauss's reaction is "aww man. why won't he look at me??"

[Wittgensteinism]

What is wrong with Neil in this??? He does seem very on edge and agitated for some unknown reason

[TheRedneckAtheist]

@Wittgensteinism He's not agitated, the man is just always on the hunt to find the next planet in out solar system he can cross off the list because he likes the number 7!

[Wittgensteinism]

@TheRedneckAtheist That's gotta be one of the dumbest things i've heard anyone say. (excuse the hyperbole)

[TheRedneckAtheist]

@Wittgensteinism Don't worry, I will never use absurdity to make an obvious joke in your presence ever again.

[detahdomo]

14 minutes without NDGT saying something? wtf

[EnmaDarei]

Just fantastic.

[SmoothPinkWater]

Awesome.

[Khyrid]

Who disliked this? Must have been a miss-click.

[RichardRoy2]

That was a fantastic interplay among the speakers. Entertaining, informative, and inspiring. Thanks to them all.

[detoxtc]

Woman was annoying as fuck.

[marcarmstrong88]

what a panel! sorry I should say... WHAT A FUKIN PANEL!!

[borimirtheboring]

Multiple nerdgasm!

[dattebenforcer]

Neil anb Bill are some of my heroes.

[ThePeacefulAtheistt]

It's sad how the US is spendng money on the millitary, rather then on science

[SCAREDBANANA]

WTF? web is canceled?

[detersgumig]

@SCAREDBANANA Nope, the JWST was saved:

watch?v=-NHl2VbK9aM

[mophosophical]

FUCK TIME LIMITS! I could listen to them talk for days on end if they would only let them

[MrLiam1805]

i was suprised that i watched the whole panel

[nontheistdavid]

Damn. All that brain power!

[Vash002]

@nontheistdavid DAT BRAIN

[csmiller1988]

"Testify!" hahaaha. Word Science Guy.

[mard420]

Scientists don't estimate for qick back. lol

[GoblinXXX]

"Mars rocks from the moon"?

"See, that's the kind of slip that will lose you that CIA gig!"

[truvelocity]

From this conversation, it looks like the U.S. will never be number one in space exploration. It shall be other countries.

[DerBullgod]

I don't think I was ever so entertained by any video of this duration!

TAM is truly amazing. I which I could go there one time.

[Blitzingtakin]

Neil is amazing to hear when he gets going. I'm guessing Him and Lawrence have some history? Their arguments were very fun to watch.

[GoblinXXX]

@Blitzingtakin Neil is the evangelical minister of science.

[smaakjeks]

This is so awesome. I'm watching this now and geeking the hell out about it.