I can hear it now...Christian apologist says, "Jesus and God are one in the same. God's capricious. Jesus must also have been prone to mood swings and sudden changes of mind. Whatever he says is right anyways, even if he contradicts himself. Come on atheists, is that all you've got?"
Pretext interpretation here... Here is what is being said: Yeshua (Jesus) has not come to judge the world, (at this time). Based on His death on the tree and you're acknowledgement or denial, you will then become a candidate for HIs kingdom or judgement... depending on your choice. So He has not come to judge the world at this time. He came to structure a pathway for your freedom, or through hardheatedness, judgement... it's you're choice.
From the message paraphrase, in more straightforward english:
"God didn't go to all the trouble of sending his Son merely to point an accusing finger, telling the world how bad it was. He came to help..."
"I came into the world to bring everything into the clear light of day, making all the distinctions clear, so that those who have never seen will see, and those who have made a great pretense of seeing will be exposed as blind."
"I didn't come to reject the world; I came to save the world."
@gregrutz he came to save the world....from himself....and 'we' did not kill him (if he ever even existed) his death was planned from the beginning according to christian dogma by himself, so it was all an elaborate self-harming performance play....because without this blood ritual scapegoating so-called sacrifice (what did he sacrifice?) he couldn't forgive us (all of humanity) for the crimes of an ancestor or for not following barbaric bronze age laws or for not worshipping/praising god enough
One other thing... the Bible plainly says it's a shame for a man to have long hair (1 Cor 11:14). The Jesus Christ of the Bible wasn't a long haired, limp wristed, liberal-pinko hippy.... He was a wealthy construction worker.
It’s really not complicated. There are two different Greek words being used in these verses, “krino” in the two similar verses & “krima” in Jn 9:39. “krino” in the context of these two verses is better rendered “condemn” while “krima” would be better rendered “evaluate” in Jn 9:39. It never ceases to amaze me how knuckle heads can’t even think deeply enough to consider there may be something lost in the translation from the ORIGINAL language…
The old "you're taking it out of context" excuse, which has been a main stay of Christian Apologetics since its inception, has gone beyond the point of wearing thin and is just plain pathetic. Funny how skeptics NEVER know the correct context but theists ALWAYS know the correct context, huh? Especially since theists very often do not agree amongst THEMSELVES...
@j919or Hey fucktard, you know what the real definition of Christian Apologetics is? It's the disease of the brain that allows the gullible and easily manipulated to to resort to limitless self delusion to come up with fucked up, disingenuous excuses for contradictions in their doctrine, no matter how insane. Thinking people see your disease. You are not able to. So you feel authorized to judge that I DESERVE hell, huh? Watch out for trap doors at the pearly gates asshole. It's a long way down.
Everything you do and type/speak proves my point. You could repent but ur pride is so strong right now that I seriously doubt that u could ever humble urself and admit that u are nothing in comparison to the inifinite God and that your only hope is that he has mercy on a wretch like you.
@j919or And your presumption that you can play god and judge others exemplifies Christian hypocrisy. You could take the scary step of acknowledging the possibility that you're delusional and that god is nothing more than a construct of your own psyche but you won't. Your little world would shatter and you can't handle that. Your "pity" for atheists is nothing more than a defense mechanism to assuage your own self-doubt. You hate those who reject your world view because they're a threat to you.
@88rat88 ""nothing more than a defense mechanism to assuage your own self-doubt.""
You are a hypocrite for you judge my thoughts and motives without any ability to see into my thoughts and you do so right after chastizing me for judging others. ANd you gave no examples of such, you just alleged it as an authority who needs no evidence or argument.
Once again:
You said,
""you can play god and judge others exemplifies Christian hypocrisy""
@j919or I'm glad to see you make no attempt to deny the fact that you are a typical Christian hypocrite. Instead, you try to push the label on me. My assertion that you are employing a defense mechanism to calm your self-doubt is based on years of observation of Christians who try to foist their dogma on me. Your silly appeals to fear are both ineffective and telling. It's easy to spot Christians who are shaky and insecure in their faith. They behave just as you do. Don't forget to pray for me!
@88rat88 I was hoping to keep the topic on the alleged contradiction. But I guess you are in the non sequitur(changing the subject) fallacy now. Im not interested in ur ad hominem tactics or other logical fallacies except to say that...I am a hypocrite to some degree and only God knows to what degree, but He is working in me and teaching me to be more transparent.
@j919or Well then I wish you the best with that. But I would like to leave you with a rhetorical question that isn't meant to be insulting or confrontational: Even if you're able to satisfactorily explain many of the hundreds of apparent contradictions in the bible, does it ever seem amiss to you that countless books have been written and countless branch sects of Christianity have arisen to explain and accommodate a plethora of apparent problems and ambiguities in a supposedly perfect book?
@j919or Uh huh. And who was the bible's intended audience? Answer: IMPERFECT PEOPLE. And for what purpose did god intend the bible? Answer: So that people may know his will. And who knows our imperfections and limitations even better than we do? Answer: God. So if the bible is seriously the best effort the omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent creator of the universe could put forth, then he has failed spectacularly. EPIC FAIL. So which of the numerous interpretations is correct? Yours?
I can't see the blunder here. Maybe my knowledge of English just isn't good enough, but isn't Jesus saying here, that he himself will not be doing any judging, but has come to be judged (by others, not by God)? Again, my knowledge of English is not very good, could someone please clarify this for me?
ALL this 3 Verse are right. when jesus speaks in verse 3:17 and 12:47 he actually says right he didn't come to judge the world. He came to the world because through him the world can be judged. because john 14:6 says Jesus said to him, I am the true and living way: no one comes to the Father but by me. so whosoever believes that Jesus Christ is the son of god and he had died for our sin would be saved.and this what john 9:39 tries to say.Galatian 2 says we are justified by faith in jesus.
@ProfMTH Reading it as Jesus came into the world in order to be judged, but not to do any judging would make it consistent. John makes it clear before the crucifixion that Jesus is going to be judged, and after the crucifixion that Jesus has been judged.
John 16:11 "Judgment will come because the ruler of this world has already been judged."
@ProfMTH They always cite "out of context" as their special pleading to accept the unacceptable in faith. You can show the story of Abraham where a clearly barbaric god orders the death of a child as a test of faith. How sick would any perfect being have to be to create this test, inexcusable even if at the end he did not plan to follow through? Which of us if ordered by god would obey that command? I certainly would not! I am sure I was out of context there too right? of course.... ;)
LOL!! It makes for a short debate with the illiterate. Taken out of context, they do seem to be what you say, in context they don't. It's there for all to see.
@RetSquid The "out of context" assertion is easily made. But it is just that: an unargued assertion. If you've got an argument in support of your assertion, let's have it. Merely asserting "out of context" demonstrates nothing.
@RetSquid I've read each of the chapters. Again, you're merely offered an unargued assertion. If you've got a case to make, then make it. Short of that, you've offered nothing.
@ProfMTH Seriously dude... this is basic English.... There is a difference between "condemning" and "judgement". This is the problem with those who are quick to try and find fault in a book inspired by the creator of all space and time, which has constantly proven its validity over several thousands of years.
@rmaynard626 "Seriously dude... this is basic English"
Well, of course, there is the matter of the original language of these passages *not* being English--basic or otherwise. And then there's the fact that in the original language, the word is the same. So, you might want to go back and think this one through a bit more.
And of course, brings into question, was it Jesus, who called him self the Son of Man, or the Jesus found in Matthew 27:17, whose title means Son of the Father - Jesus Barabas?
Not as a christian or an atheist, but surely you're reading the phrases wrongly. For the first two examples, it's obvious that Jesus is saying he came into this world to not judge. If I say "For judgement, I have come..." I think the only way to read that is that Jesus came into the world to be judged, which he was, and still is.
@KurtCobain198666 Read that passage in context and let me know whether you still think it's about Jesus being judged or about Jesus judging others. Thanks.
Jesus said he did not come into the world to judge it. He said he came into the world for judgment. He did NOT however say he was THE one doing the judging, but rather it would be judged. Obviously the example of his life that he left for others to follow commend or condemn a person. So it is YHWH who does the judging, Jesus merely sets the standard for which all judgments are based.
@ProfMTH own destination....death. i'd suggest you read all the verses cause you will get a more indepth understanding of the meaning behind it rather then cherry picking a verse here and there and trying to make a failed argument. hope this increased your information and understanding.
@ProfMTH if you dont like the truth of the matter then id suggest not making a video where you are so easily discredited by simple reading the verses above and below.
Oh, I love the truth. It's what I seek. The truth, however, is quite a bit different from apologetically amplified paraphrases of passages designed to make them seem to be saying something other than what they are in fact saying. That's what you offered, not the truth. Among other things, that leave me with the unfortunate impression that you're in the bullshit business.
@ProfMTH dear boy you can keep your failed ad hominems to yourself. the fact is as i have proven if you take the time to read and actually understand the words that are being said you will understand. but you who are atheist are going in with a failed understanding and can not comprehend what he is reading. id bet you believe the Bible to be written in english since you take it so literal. the fact is dear boy it was written in aramaic and latin/greek. go research and you will find that words..
@ProfMTH you are an atheist meaning you are going in reading the Bible verses from a stand point already of unbelief. thats like a muslim reading the Bible or a white nazi going into a all black church, they are already biased before hand. as you most certainly are. it is not an ad hominem dear boy it is called a fact. and i read the Bible from the original text hebrew, much richer meanings then the english text.
@MrDathon1577 you do realise that Islam also uses the Old Testament to preach from?
In Islam, the Bible is held to reflect true unfolding revelation from God; but revelation which had been corrupted or distorted (in reference to the New Testament). So while a Muslim may be biased about the New Testament, they would definatly read and believe the Old
@KurtCobain198666 muslims and the jews are the same as they follow the letter of the law. they follow the mosaic laws. they dont bother even understanding and grasping the New Testament. the jews dont believe that Yahshua fullfilled all the laws, cause they cant grasp that the "man" was God in the flesh. the muslims on the other hand are believers in the opposite, they merely think Yahshua was a regular man, so i guess in some cases they agree that Yahshua was just the man, yet if you talk to
@KurtCobain198666 either a jew or a muslim they will be positive 100% correct that they are the right one, even though they believe similar things. that difference and why muslims hate the jews is due to the birth right. the jews believe their "mother" was sarah and the muslims mother was the concubine hagar. and the muslims believe that sarah was their mother and the jews mother is hagar.
if you track the history and the lineage the jews would be right, sarah is the mother.
@ProfMTH used in english have far richer meanings when researched back in their original tongue. for example judge in hebrew is " 1781 dayan dah-yawn' from 1777; a judge or advocate: and 1777 diyn deen or (Gen. 6:3) duwn {doon}; a primitive roy a straight course, i.e. sail direct:--(come) with a straight course" Yahshua is the advocate for us, His purpouse was to show us how to live by living a "straight course"
now lets look at judgement" 1779 duwn doon from 1777; judgement ...
@ProfMTH (the suit, justice, sentence or tribunal); by impl. also strife:--cause, judgement, plea, strife" so you see the fact that the verses you use two have the same meaning and the 3rd uses judgement, we can clearly see what the message Yahshua was stating. dont be afraid to do some work rather then like most atheists do is cherry pick a line and make a failed assertion about it. remember the Bible wasnt originally written in english lol
46I have come as a Light into the world, so that whoever believes in Me [whoever cleaves to and trusts in and relies on Me] may not continue to live in darkness.48Anyone who rejects Me and persistently sets Me at naught, refusing to accept My teachings, has his judge [however]; for the [very] message that I have spoken will itself judge and convict him at the last day.
again Yahshua is not judging, people are CHOOSING to not believe Him and are CHOOSING their
@ProfMTH but because you insist, We do see clearly, you are unable to escape your guilt.]" the message here is based on the sin of adam, people choose to see and not follow God. they CHOOSE to sin. and they CHOOSE their own judgement.
John 12:47 - 47If anyone hears My teachings and fails to observe them [does not keep them, but disregards them], it is not I who judges him. For I have not come to judge and to condemn and to pass sentence and to inflict penalty on the world, cont
John 9:39"Then Jesus said, I came into this world for judgment [as a Separator, in order that there may be [a] separation between those who believe on Me and those who reject Me], to make the sightless see and to make those who see become blind."
41Jesus said to them, If you were blind, you would have no sin; but because you now claim to have sight, your sin remains. [If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; cont
@ProfMTH john 3:1616For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He [even] gave up His only begotten ([d]unique) Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life. it is not God who is judging, it is those who choose to NOT believe in God that are choosing their outcome. God hates sin, he judged sin aka lucifer and cast him out, you dont choose God you choose the same judgement
@ProfMTH i luv proving atheists wrong when they cherry pick the Bible and use one verse to try and make a failed accusation, the poor atheist fails to read the verses around the one they cherry pick to actually understand what is being said. so lets prove you wrong shall we:
John 3:17 -17For God did not send the Son into the world in order to judge (to reject, to condemn, to pass sentence on) the world, but that the world might find salvation and be made safe and sound through Him ...
John 9:39's reference to 'the blind will see and those who see will become blind' makes it clear that Jesus is referring to fulfilling the law. Especially see Jn 9:41 where we the message of Jn 15:22-24, moreover the Blindness of the Pharisees in Mat 15. Jesus came for judgement's sake, by fulfilling the law to the truest extent e.g.Matt 5:27-28, not to judge. Moreover, also to be judged and suffer the fate owed to all sinners. Why did God blind those who saw? See Mt 13:11-23.
@FXVG The only blunder here is the brevity with which the texts have been taken out of context. It seems that, in a fervor to disprove the Christian faith, you have decided to evaluate God, not in the context of his word, but in the context of several dissected passages rather than looking to the text that refers to God. Your attempts at semantic contentions is just showing enmity rather than substantial conflict.
@FXVG Lastly, even if you don't want to look at any of the other verses you can easily distill that '[Jesus] did not come to JUDGE' is different from 'For JUDGEMENT I have come'. The past tense 'judgement' shows motive/underlying impetus, the present tense 'judge' shows action. Jesus does not judge the world, but came for the judgement owed to it, this is the link that ties the other verses I cited together.
Someone needs to slap sence in ProfMTH: he's a flipping idiot. Jesus did not come to judge, but He did come to fulfill prophecy and pave the way to a future judgment to be handed down by God the Father (Jesus is the Son, and the Holy Spirit). I just shared your videos with our local atheist commitee and they laughed at you. They basically said "anyone who can show us a misinformed, loopy atheist making a fool of himself and there you are, Proffy! Atheists are LAUGHIN AT YOUR STUPIDITY... LOL
@aggienostic Are you saying the bible is wrong? I just went and read all those verses in context with the verses around them it is still a contradiction. You seem to do mental gymnastics to make the bible say something different from what it really says.
@aggienostic This atheist isn't laughing at Prof, he's laughing at you for believing that:
Quote: "but He did come to fulfill prophecy"
No The stories of jesus were manipulated by the gospel writers, (whoever they were), to fit the "prophesies", and even then, some of them were wrongly interpreted.
@ServeTheWay The natural man recieveth not the things of the Spirit of God for they are foolishness to him neither can he know them because they are spiritually discerned, 1Cor 2:14-- I"t is appointed for man once to die but after this the judgement" Heb 9:27. The judgement in Jn9:39 is those that have a high conciet of their own wisdom against the revelationof God might be sealed in their ignorance Judgement is seperation showing true distinction between believers and those who refuse Christ
short and to the point... and I might add ProfMTH you have a pretty healthy list of contradictory content to keep this series going for erm.... maybe 2,000 years?
Jesus...lol.. Jesus assuming he's not fictional was no doubt a perfectly normal average homosexual man...nothing wrong with that...
Jesus came to Judge sin, and in doing so, he judged sin by taking the sin upon his shoulders for punishment. I see no contradiction, because by that judgement, the world is not judged!
@ProfMTH He judged sin, not people. So, YES! If sin was not judged, then he wouldn't have taken it upon his shoulders. But NO MAN was judged, and won't be until judgment day.
@chapmaned Accept for 67% of todays world population (and billions before and to come) who does not buy the story because there is no evidence, 'god's plan' is obviously not working so well then.
You might take note two things. Both John 3:17 and 12:47 use a different Greek word than John 9:39. Second the thought of the two is the same. Jesus purpose was to bring salvation to those that would instead of judgment. John 9:39 is for airheads like you that think they can see and are really blind. There is a difference between the two and as Jesus said you think you see but are blind.
Clearly, you ignored my counsel to look more closely at your lexicon/concordance. The root word of G2917 (which is a neuter noun) is G2919 (which is a verb).
@ProfMTH Thank you. I did that on purpose. You see I have seen in other videos where you present a word as most would take it and not bother to bring out the original meaning. You see I will not be predictable so lets have fun. What are you afraid of the truth?
This is not a very good example of a blunder. All three verses agree that Jesus was not sent to judge, the odd one out simply adds that he was sent to be judged. Which is of course a lie, he was sent to be found erroneously guilty of other people's sins which they themselves never committed but were only guilty by inheritance because god can't forgive a sin even unto the sons and daughters of all future generations, but we need not go there.
There's no contradiction. Let's put it all together...
"I didn't come into this world "to judge" the world but "FOR judgement" I came into this world."
One phrase reflects "an initiator", while the other reflects "a recipient".
Christ indeed came for judgement against himself, but he himself did NOT judge anyone. This was his specific mission as testified throughout the whole of scripture; to be an innocent person judged for the sin of humanity.
blaspheming against the holy ghost is the only sin the father is unable to forgive
you can blaspheme against the father and the son and it;s ok
blaspheme once against the holy ghost and you are doomed forever....not even the blood sacrifice the son made to quench the father will help you...even if you repent and lead a perfect saintly life...
The Judgments that the Lord YAHUSHUA spoke of, were of two different kinds of Judgments. The "Judgments" of JOHN 3:17 and 12:47 refer to the Final Judgment of Condemnation to Hell. The Judgment of 9:39 speaks of the Judgment of THIS life, where those who seek the Truth will find it and those who THINK they know the Truth, (but really don't), will remain blinded at the risk of Damnation. Everything must be read in CONTEXT.
Notice the wordage in John 3:17 and 12:47 saying to judge the world (kosmos). It was said when the Messiah came the Judgement of the world would occur (ie the end of this universe). However Christ told them that this wasn't what He came to do (in the first coming). However He was sent in the World to judge. To judge the people "that those who do not see may see" (Jn9:39) ie to judge their ways that those in error may see that they are.
@ProfMTH well to my understanding that john 3:16-21 why jesus came to the earth; john 9:35-41 jesus was warning of the impending judgment of God heb 9:27; John 12: 42-50 again a warning for those who reject jesus, the son of God. im just curious if you had any formal training or done any research for yourself on the subject? i am just trying to understand where you are coming from. a bit of background information.
Well done, my friend, As a Christian clergyman, I think it's important for intelligent Christians who don't believe that God intended us to flush the brain he gave us down the toilet to distinguish between what is worthwhile in the bible and what is ERRONEOUSLY attributed to "God", "the Lord", etc., etc.,
I'm going to add a link to this video to my web page on bible contradictions Google "inerrancy.html",
Google "whatkindofgod" to see my page on horrible words attributed to God!
@ProfMTH You're using those versus out of context..You cut off the first verse presentwed here John 3:17 says: " God did not send his Son into the world to judge the world, BUT SO WORLD COULD BE SAVED THROUGH HIM" you ommited the second very important part of the verse. Next is John 9:39 where Jesus now summarizes: for judgment he has come. There is a contradiction, but only a superficial one, with 3:17. Jesus’ mission is to save the world. He did not come with the mission of condemming it. cont
@ProfMTH cont. But (as 3:19-21 goes on to explain, as well as the examples of 8:1-11 and here) by the very fact of the Light coming into the world, judgment is provoked. As men respond, so they are judged. The presence of the Light necessitates a choice—to come to it or to shrink back—and this choice is one’s judgment. Huni, you can't just cherry pick cut off parts of Bible versus without reading entire chapters so you can get a grasp of what is written there.
Christians always try to rationalize the obvious inconsistencies contained within the Bible's pages. It's not just a few verses here and there, either. The Bible is overflowing with nonsense.
Wouldn't a book inspired by a perfect being be cohesive and awe inspiring? Wouldn't such a book be beyond reproach and universally accepted by mankind for its self-evident brilliance?
Once again, context is thrown completely out the window. Lets examine John 3:17 but as luck would have it the maker of this video has seemingly forgot AGAIN to read the verses that follow , verses like oh i dont know..18 ! "Whoever does not believe stands condemned already !" that is judgement ! as for 12:47 , lets read 48 " there is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which i spoke will condemn him." Wow so Jesus' words have the power to condemn!
@ProfMTH Jesus came into the world to give life in his name John 3:16 . Jesus is also the Judge of makind John 5:22, Revelation 22;12. You still have no argument.
@ors712 I'll ask my question again and this time I'd appreciate your answering it. Did Jesus come into the world to judge or not? Here are your choices: (A) Yes, Jesus came into the world to judge; (B) No, Jesus did not come into the world to judge. Which is it?
@ors712, As a Christian clergyman, I think you're in way over your head, giving such an inadequate objection to a perfectly reasonable question about just ONE of many examples of bible contradictions.
Google "inerrancy.html", and you'll find the top listing, my very own expose as a Christian clergyman of passages that cannot BOTH be embraced at the same time by any intelligent human being, unless you believe that God intended you to flush the brain he gave you down the toilet.
but for Juzgement. cuz His Mesage would offer Salvation. so ppl would get saved of lost by their own choice. it s all up to us. in the future Day of the Juzgement, our decisions will have consecuences =) !
@ProfMTH Have just read your profile & note you're atheist. That's fine by me. So I'll take your arguments on the scriptures with a pinch of salt. What surprises me is that I thought university professors would go all out to prove intelligent issues such as evolution as fact instead of wasting their valuable time stooping so low to debate "mythical" books.
O well, we get all sorts in life, least of all professors!!!
If you are " " blessed " " with increased SELF-DELUSION all 3 can be anything the hell you want them to be . Hey , presto , , , MAGIC . This is the level of DELUSION these NUTTERS believe to be O.K. and healthy for their children . . . AND YOURS .
in each one of these verses Jesus was talking about different things, which these quotes leave out... so i say they are all different, not two alike. nice try with the video though!
@ProfMTH in john chapter 3 and 12 he is saying his focus is on saving the world not condeming it. in john 9 he is saying that because God will judge all men, he has come to save us. so he came because judgement is coming on us, not that he came to judge.
O, I love how every christian thinks THEY understand the bible. All the others have it wrong. If there are 2 billion christians, there are 2 billion interpretations. Who knows, maybe one of them has it right. But you know what, I doubt it.
When Jesus said, "I came not to judge the world", He was talking about His first coming. He came to save everyone who is lost and He won't turn anyone away. When He said, "for judgment I have come", He was talking about His second coming when He will come to judge the world. I will definately be praying for you.
I'm not an intellectual or a theologian but I have experienced the mercy, love, compassion and total awesomeness of Jesus. He has been there with me through some very tragic times in my life. You did cause me to have questions regarding these verses, but if I know my Jesus, (and I do), He wil clearly reveal to me what He meant when He said, "for judgement I have come". He has always been faithful to answer all my questions. Jesus is AWESOME & it's truly sad that you don't know Him.
The reason why this may "seem" true is because the world as a whole (as well as you who try to refute the bible) is missing discernment of the Spirit. 1 Corinthians 2:13-14 says " These things we also speak, not in words which mans wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
@uranumbnuts "You "SEE" a contradiction because you are "BLIND"."
LOL. Hey, cowboy, instead of ranting in multiple comment boxes, make a video response. It's YouTube after all.
And spare me the special, unique knowledge claim vis-a-vis the Hebrew and Christian scriptures. It's bullshit, the last refuge of an apologist who lacks an actual argument.
@ProfMTH- Lol. Look, I'm not the average bible thumper. I can talk to anybody all day about what the bible says, but I know that most people will never be willing to accept what it says (Matthew 22:14) because it asks too much of them (Matthew 26:41). Lol. I am not here to cram the bible down your throat. I am just pointing out the fact that most people that talk about the bible, talk without understanding. As far as "ranting" is concerned, I blame it on technical issues. :-P
The reason why this may "seem" true is because the world as a whole (as well as you who try to refute the bible) is missing discernment of the Spirit. 1 Corinthians 2:13-14 says " These things we also speak, not in words which mans wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
Thats why it says ""For judgment (read John 8:15) I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind." The verse used in this video was very fitting. It describes perfectly what my sovereign Lord Jesus was talking about. You "SEE" a contradiction because you are "BLIND" to the meaning of why Jesus came into the world.
"1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Yisrayl, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
3 And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink.
Sorry, zip, you are not allowed to use the word "fact" anymore because you dont know what a fact is. You seem to think the ravings of a stroke victim (saul of tarsus) counts as fact. No, facts are backed up by testing and evidence. Anyone who thinks jesus existed is a retard, its a shame that mental retardation claims over 90% of the population.
37Jesus said to him, "You have seen him, and it is he who is speaking to you."38He said, "Lord, I believe," and he worshiped him. 39Jesus said, "For judgment I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind." 40Some of the Pharisees near him heard these things, and said to him, "Are we also blind?" 41Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have no guilt; but now that you say, 'We see,' your guilt remains.
That book is replete with contradictions, which means it is full of continuity issues!! Which PROVES its fallibility!! So then, it cannot be the expressed infallible word of god. Religion is a tool to keep the ignorant masses in a perpetual state of fear and obedience. KNOWLEDGE is power and blind faith is an expression of ignorance. Peace2U!!
These aren't contradictions, so you can continue trying to call them that like a child arguing against math simply because he doesn't understand addition or subtraction. And you'll never learn or understand when you come in with such a belligerent attitude. There is a God and He has done and said much, you can whine and argue your short little life away but you can't turn a truth into anything else. Just because you don't understand only shows your own inability, not that it's a lie.
@fightingsoup Just curious -how are those not contradictory? They clearly say two quite different things, which does happen to be what "contradictory" means. Pointing out that verses within one Gospel (not to mention between Gospels) are inconsistent is hardly belligerent; it's a simple demonstration of fact. No one in here is arguing or whining but you.
@thepoindexter they dont contridict because in one chapter he's telling us He wasnt sent to judge us, and in John 9:39 he's telling us that he was sent hear to be judged by us if you dont believe thats true then why was he judged and then was sentenced to be beaten and crucified, thats why He said " for judgement i have come into this world" it not a controdiction
@zipitup75 If you read the context of John 9:39, he is clearly stating that he has come to judge the world. John 9:40 "Some Pharisees who were with him heard him say this and asked, "What? Are we blind too?"" and John 9:41 "Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.""
You failed to make an argument and instead have reinforced what the video already points out. Additionally, Jesus is a quasi-historical figure at best.
@ProfMTH well based on the facts that we(mankind) were the ones that killed him, we were the judge jury and executioner, therefore it is logical and right what He said, for judgement i came to this world, because we did judge Him
@zipitup75 You're simply ignoring what the story in John 9 actually says in favor of imposing your theological interpretation of Jesus' execution on it.
I can hear it now...Christian apologist says, "Jesus and God are one in the same. God's capricious. Jesus must also have been prone to mood swings and sudden changes of mind. Whatever he says is right anyways, even if he contradicts himself. Come on atheists, is that all you've got?"
ChipArgyle 1 week ago
Pretext interpretation here... Here is what is being said: Yeshua (Jesus) has not come to judge the world, (at this time). Based on His death on the tree and you're acknowledgement or denial, you will then become a candidate for HIs kingdom or judgement... depending on your choice. So He has not come to judge the world at this time. He came to structure a pathway for your freedom, or through hardheatedness, judgement... it's you're choice.
Projectman2u 3 weeks ago
Perfect. That is a clear contradiction.
halolIlmao0 2 months ago
God came into his world not to judge/doom us, but to judge/defeat us. again, you are ignoring basic rules of language. sigh...
carlsonap16 2 months ago
From the message paraphrase, in more straightforward english:
"God didn't go to all the trouble of sending his Son merely to point an accusing finger, telling the world how bad it was. He came to help..."
"I came into the world to bring everything into the clear light of day, making all the distinctions clear, so that those who have never seen will see, and those who have made a great pretense of seeing will be exposed as blind."
"I didn't come to reject the world; I came to save the world."
fuzzyBSc 2 months ago
@fuzzyBSc ''I came to save the world'' >> and so we killed Him. How did that help?
gregrutz 1 month ago
@gregrutz he came to save the world....from himself....and 'we' did not kill him (if he ever even existed) his death was planned from the beginning according to christian dogma by himself, so it was all an elaborate self-harming performance play....because without this blood ritual scapegoating so-called sacrifice (what did he sacrifice?) he couldn't forgive us (all of humanity) for the crimes of an ancestor or for not following barbaric bronze age laws or for not worshipping/praising god enough
viridismonasteriense 1 month ago
One other thing... the Bible plainly says it's a shame for a man to have long hair (1 Cor 11:14). The Jesus Christ of the Bible wasn't a long haired, limp wristed, liberal-pinko hippy.... He was a wealthy construction worker.
Thistlesifter220 2 months ago
@Thistlesifter220 Yeah, probably not a construction worker though, right?
Anomalous59 2 months ago
It’s really not complicated. There are two different Greek words being used in these verses, “krino” in the two similar verses & “krima” in Jn 9:39. “krino” in the context of these two verses is better rendered “condemn” while “krima” would be better rendered “evaluate” in Jn 9:39. It never ceases to amaze me how knuckle heads can’t even think deeply enough to consider there may be something lost in the translation from the ORIGINAL language…
NEXT….
Thistlesifter220 2 months ago
I wanted to be a christian so I read the bible then changed my mind.
themakerofmine 3 months ago
The old "you're taking it out of context" excuse, which has been a main stay of Christian Apologetics since its inception, has gone beyond the point of wearing thin and is just plain pathetic. Funny how skeptics NEVER know the correct context but theists ALWAYS know the correct context, huh? Especially since theists very often do not agree amongst THEMSELVES...
88rat88 3 months ago
@88rat88 "" "you're taking it out of context" excuse, ""
Then id be happy to debate you and show how foolish u are and how much u deserve hell.
Notice the full verse:
JN 9.39Jesus said,[a] “For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind.”
Im curious as to why the rest of the verse wasnt included in the quote in the video. I think skeptics are the deceivers. I pity u all!
j919or 3 months ago
@j919or Hey fucktard, you know what the real definition of Christian Apologetics is? It's the disease of the brain that allows the gullible and easily manipulated to to resort to limitless self delusion to come up with fucked up, disingenuous excuses for contradictions in their doctrine, no matter how insane. Thinking people see your disease. You are not able to. So you feel authorized to judge that I DESERVE hell, huh? Watch out for trap doors at the pearly gates asshole. It's a long way down.
88rat88 3 months ago
@88rat88 ""judge that I DESERVE hell, huh? ""
Everything you do and type/speak proves my point. You could repent but ur pride is so strong right now that I seriously doubt that u could ever humble urself and admit that u are nothing in comparison to the inifinite God and that your only hope is that he has mercy on a wretch like you.
j919or 3 months ago
@j919or And your presumption that you can play god and judge others exemplifies Christian hypocrisy. You could take the scary step of acknowledging the possibility that you're delusional and that god is nothing more than a construct of your own psyche but you won't. Your little world would shatter and you can't handle that. Your "pity" for atheists is nothing more than a defense mechanism to assuage your own self-doubt. You hate those who reject your world view because they're a threat to you.
88rat88 3 months ago
@88rat88 ""nothing more than a defense mechanism to assuage your own self-doubt.""
You are a hypocrite for you judge my thoughts and motives without any ability to see into my thoughts and you do so right after chastizing me for judging others. ANd you gave no examples of such, you just alleged it as an authority who needs no evidence or argument.
Once again:
You said,
""you can play god and judge others exemplifies Christian hypocrisy""
j919or 3 months ago
@j919or I'm glad to see you make no attempt to deny the fact that you are a typical Christian hypocrite. Instead, you try to push the label on me. My assertion that you are employing a defense mechanism to calm your self-doubt is based on years of observation of Christians who try to foist their dogma on me. Your silly appeals to fear are both ineffective and telling. It's easy to spot Christians who are shaky and insecure in their faith. They behave just as you do. Don't forget to pray for me!
88rat88 3 months ago
@88rat88 I was hoping to keep the topic on the alleged contradiction. But I guess you are in the non sequitur(changing the subject) fallacy now. Im not interested in ur ad hominem tactics or other logical fallacies except to say that...I am a hypocrite to some degree and only God knows to what degree, but He is working in me and teaching me to be more transparent.
j919or 3 months ago
@j919or Well then I wish you the best with that. But I would like to leave you with a rhetorical question that isn't meant to be insulting or confrontational: Even if you're able to satisfactorily explain many of the hundreds of apparent contradictions in the bible, does it ever seem amiss to you that countless books have been written and countless branch sects of Christianity have arisen to explain and accommodate a plethora of apparent problems and ambiguities in a supposedly perfect book?
88rat88 3 months ago
@88rat88 ""ambiguities in a supposedly perfect book?""
Perfect book + Imperfect readers = alleged contradictions
j919or 3 months ago
@j919or Uh huh. And who was the bible's intended audience? Answer: IMPERFECT PEOPLE. And for what purpose did god intend the bible? Answer: So that people may know his will. And who knows our imperfections and limitations even better than we do? Answer: God. So if the bible is seriously the best effort the omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent creator of the universe could put forth, then he has failed spectacularly. EPIC FAIL. So which of the numerous interpretations is correct? Yours?
88rat88 3 months ago
When they wrote the book of delusions (Bible) they had hundreds of years to edit out most of the mistakes.
They missed quite a few "boo boos" though.
You would think they would have mentioned more dinosaurs.
They know we coexisted with dinosaurs.
Job had one, and that one breathed fire and smoke.
I would like to read a story about Jesus and the T-Rex from Satan..
legion1a 4 months ago
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contactsajigeorge 6 months ago
I can't see the blunder here. Maybe my knowledge of English just isn't good enough, but isn't Jesus saying here, that he himself will not be doing any judging, but has come to be judged (by others, not by God)? Again, my knowledge of English is not very good, could someone please clarify this for me?
visavillem 6 months ago
ALL this 3 Verse are right. when jesus speaks in verse 3:17 and 12:47 he actually says right he didn't come to judge the world. He came to the world because through him the world can be judged. because john 14:6 says Jesus said to him, I am the true and living way: no one comes to the Father but by me. so whosoever believes that Jesus Christ is the son of god and he had died for our sin would be saved.and this what john 9:39 tries to say.Galatian 2 says we are justified by faith in jesus.
contactsajigeorge 6 months ago
@visavillem could be either. isn't English a bitch.
jony1710 5 months ago
the context is different. the 3rd (last) quote is about himself being judged.
TheFashionbugs 6 months ago
@TheFashionbugs You need to read it again.
ProfMTH 6 months ago
@ProfMTH
Heh.... Fashionbugs swiftly goes for the "out of context!" argument; a favorite "tactic" of Christian apologists.
lupine73 5 months ago
@ProfMTH Reading it as Jesus came into the world in order to be judged, but not to do any judging would make it consistent. John makes it clear before the crucifixion that Jesus is going to be judged, and after the crucifixion that Jesus has been judged.
John 16:11 "Judgment will come because the ruler of this world has already been judged."
tallskinnygeek 4 months ago
@ProfMTH They always cite "out of context" as their special pleading to accept the unacceptable in faith. You can show the story of Abraham where a clearly barbaric god orders the death of a child as a test of faith. How sick would any perfect being have to be to create this test, inexcusable even if at the end he did not plan to follow through? Which of us if ordered by god would obey that command? I certainly would not! I am sure I was out of context there too right? of course.... ;)
tsunami770 2 months ago
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
This is called "taking things out of context" and "mis-interpreting".
You FAIL!
RetSquid 7 months ago
@RetSquid "This is called "taking things out of context" and "mis-interpreting"."
LOL! The last refuge of an apologist without an argument.
ProfMTH 7 months ago
@ProfMTH
LOL!! It makes for a short debate with the illiterate. Taken out of context, they do seem to be what you say, in context they don't. It's there for all to see.
RetSquid 7 months ago
@RetSquid The "out of context" assertion is easily made. But it is just that: an unargued assertion. If you've got an argument in support of your assertion, let's have it. Merely asserting "out of context" demonstrates nothing.
ProfMTH 6 months ago
@ProfMTH
The assertion is easily made when it is plainly true, go read the rest of the chapter and it makes sense.
RetSquid 6 months ago
@RetSquid I've read each of the chapters. Again, you're merely offered an unargued assertion. If you've got a case to make, then make it. Short of that, you've offered nothing.
ProfMTH 6 months ago
@ProfMTH
No, your original reasoning is faulty for the reasons I've given.
There is no way to convince you, you are close-minded.
RetSquid 6 months ago
@RetSquid You gave no reasons. You merely made an assertion. It's sad that you don't know the difference.
ProfMTH 6 months ago
@ProfMTH Seriously dude... this is basic English.... There is a difference between "condemning" and "judgement". This is the problem with those who are quick to try and find fault in a book inspired by the creator of all space and time, which has constantly proven its validity over several thousands of years.
rmaynard626 6 months ago
@rmaynard626 "Seriously dude... this is basic English"
Well, of course, there is the matter of the original language of these passages *not* being English--basic or otherwise. And then there's the fact that in the original language, the word is the same. So, you might want to go back and think this one through a bit more.
ProfMTH 6 months ago
And of course, brings into question, was it Jesus, who called him self the Son of Man, or the Jesus found in Matthew 27:17, whose title means Son of the Father - Jesus Barabas?
ThomasTrue 7 months ago
Not as a christian or an atheist, but surely you're reading the phrases wrongly. For the first two examples, it's obvious that Jesus is saying he came into this world to not judge. If I say "For judgement, I have come..." I think the only way to read that is that Jesus came into the world to be judged, which he was, and still is.
KurtCobain198666 8 months ago
@KurtCobain198666 Read that passage in context and let me know whether you still think it's about Jesus being judged or about Jesus judging others. Thanks.
ProfMTH 8 months ago
Jesus said he did not come into the world to judge it. He said he came into the world for judgment. He did NOT however say he was THE one doing the judging, but rather it would be judged. Obviously the example of his life that he left for others to follow commend or condemn a person. So it is YHWH who does the judging, Jesus merely sets the standard for which all judgments are based.
drevildruid 8 months ago
@ProfMTH own destination....death. i'd suggest you read all the verses cause you will get a more indepth understanding of the meaning behind it rather then cherry picking a verse here and there and trying to make a failed argument. hope this increased your information and understanding.
MrDathon1577 8 months ago
@MrDathon1577 " i'd suggest you read all the verses"
I have. But thanks for the suggestion and the amplified paraphrases of the passages nevertheless.
ProfMTH 8 months ago
@ProfMTH if you dont like the truth of the matter then id suggest not making a video where you are so easily discredited by simple reading the verses above and below.
MrDathon1577 8 months ago
@MrDathon1577 "if you dont like the truth"
Oh, I love the truth. It's what I seek. The truth, however, is quite a bit different from apologetically amplified paraphrases of passages designed to make them seem to be saying something other than what they are in fact saying. That's what you offered, not the truth. Among other things, that leave me with the unfortunate impression that you're in the bullshit business.
ProfMTH 8 months ago
@ProfMTH dear boy you can keep your failed ad hominems to yourself. the fact is as i have proven if you take the time to read and actually understand the words that are being said you will understand. but you who are atheist are going in with a failed understanding and can not comprehend what he is reading. id bet you believe the Bible to be written in english since you take it so literal. the fact is dear boy it was written in aramaic and latin/greek. go research and you will find that words..
MrDathon1577 8 months ago
@MrDathon1577 " i have proven if you take the time to read and actually understand the words that are being said"
Amplified paraphrases are not "the words that are being said" in the actual text. They're apologetically convenient, but that's quite another matter.
"but you who are atheist are going in with a failed understanding and can not comprehend what he is reading"
What was that you were saying about ad hominem? lol Deal with the substance. An argument stands or falls on its...
ProfMTH 8 months ago
@ProfMTH you are an atheist meaning you are going in reading the Bible verses from a stand point already of unbelief. thats like a muslim reading the Bible or a white nazi going into a all black church, they are already biased before hand. as you most certainly are. it is not an ad hominem dear boy it is called a fact. and i read the Bible from the original text hebrew, much richer meanings then the english text.
MrDathon1577 8 months ago
@MrDathon1577 you do realise that Islam also uses the Old Testament to preach from?
In Islam, the Bible is held to reflect true unfolding revelation from God; but revelation which had been corrupted or distorted (in reference to the New Testament). So while a Muslim may be biased about the New Testament, they would definatly read and believe the Old
KurtCobain198666 8 months ago
@KurtCobain198666 muslims and the jews are the same as they follow the letter of the law. they follow the mosaic laws. they dont bother even understanding and grasping the New Testament. the jews dont believe that Yahshua fullfilled all the laws, cause they cant grasp that the "man" was God in the flesh. the muslims on the other hand are believers in the opposite, they merely think Yahshua was a regular man, so i guess in some cases they agree that Yahshua was just the man, yet if you talk to
MrDathon1577 8 months ago
@KurtCobain198666 either a jew or a muslim they will be positive 100% correct that they are the right one, even though they believe similar things. that difference and why muslims hate the jews is due to the birth right. the jews believe their "mother" was sarah and the muslims mother was the concubine hagar. and the muslims believe that sarah was their mother and the jews mother is hagar.
if you track the history and the lineage the jews would be right, sarah is the mother.
MrDathon1577 8 months ago
@ProfMTH used in english have far richer meanings when researched back in their original tongue. for example judge in hebrew is " 1781 dayan dah-yawn' from 1777; a judge or advocate: and 1777 diyn deen or (Gen. 6:3) duwn {doon}; a primitive roy a straight course, i.e. sail direct:--(come) with a straight course" Yahshua is the advocate for us, His purpouse was to show us how to live by living a "straight course"
now lets look at judgement" 1779 duwn doon from 1777; judgement ...
MrDathon1577 8 months ago
@ProfMTH (the suit, justice, sentence or tribunal); by impl. also strife:--cause, judgement, plea, strife" so you see the fact that the verses you use two have the same meaning and the 3rd uses judgement, we can clearly see what the message Yahshua was stating. dont be afraid to do some work rather then like most atheists do is cherry pick a line and make a failed assertion about it. remember the Bible wasnt originally written in english lol
MrDathon1577 8 months ago
@ProfMTH but to save the world"
46I have come as a Light into the world, so that whoever believes in Me [whoever cleaves to and trusts in and relies on Me] may not continue to live in darkness.48Anyone who rejects Me and persistently sets Me at naught, refusing to accept My teachings, has his judge [however]; for the [very] message that I have spoken will itself judge and convict him at the last day.
again Yahshua is not judging, people are CHOOSING to not believe Him and are CHOOSING their
MrDathon1577 8 months ago
@ProfMTH but because you insist, We do see clearly, you are unable to escape your guilt.]" the message here is based on the sin of adam, people choose to see and not follow God. they CHOOSE to sin. and they CHOOSE their own judgement.
John 12:47 - 47If anyone hears My teachings and fails to observe them [does not keep them, but disregards them], it is not I who judges him. For I have not come to judge and to condemn and to pass sentence and to inflict penalty on the world, cont
MrDathon1577 8 months ago
@ProfMTH as lucifer.
John 9:39"Then Jesus said, I came into this world for judgment [as a Separator, in order that there may be [a] separation between those who believe on Me and those who reject Me], to make the sightless see and to make those who see become blind."
41Jesus said to them, If you were blind, you would have no sin; but because you now claim to have sight, your sin remains. [If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; cont
MrDathon1577 8 months ago
@ProfMTH john 3:1616For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He [even] gave up His only begotten ([d]unique) Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life. it is not God who is judging, it is those who choose to NOT believe in God that are choosing their outcome. God hates sin, he judged sin aka lucifer and cast him out, you dont choose God you choose the same judgement
MrDathon1577 8 months ago
@ProfMTH i luv proving atheists wrong when they cherry pick the Bible and use one verse to try and make a failed accusation, the poor atheist fails to read the verses around the one they cherry pick to actually understand what is being said. so lets prove you wrong shall we:
John 3:17 -17For God did not send the Son into the world in order to judge (to reject, to condemn, to pass sentence on) the world, but that the world might find salvation and be made safe and sound through Him ...
MrDathon1577 8 months ago
Oh MY GOD!
llGemini 8 months ago
John 9:39's reference to 'the blind will see and those who see will become blind' makes it clear that Jesus is referring to fulfilling the law. Especially see Jn 9:41 where we the message of Jn 15:22-24, moreover the Blindness of the Pharisees in Mat 15. Jesus came for judgement's sake, by fulfilling the law to the truest extent e.g.Matt 5:27-28, not to judge. Moreover, also to be judged and suffer the fate owed to all sinners. Why did God blind those who saw? See Mt 13:11-23.
FXVG 8 months ago
@FXVG The only blunder here is the brevity with which the texts have been taken out of context. It seems that, in a fervor to disprove the Christian faith, you have decided to evaluate God, not in the context of his word, but in the context of several dissected passages rather than looking to the text that refers to God. Your attempts at semantic contentions is just showing enmity rather than substantial conflict.
FXVG 8 months ago
@FXVG Lastly, even if you don't want to look at any of the other verses you can easily distill that '[Jesus] did not come to JUDGE' is different from 'For JUDGEMENT I have come'. The past tense 'judgement' shows motive/underlying impetus, the present tense 'judge' shows action. Jesus does not judge the world, but came for the judgement owed to it, this is the link that ties the other verses I cited together.
FXVG 8 months ago
Someone needs to slap sence in ProfMTH: he's a flipping idiot. Jesus did not come to judge, but He did come to fulfill prophecy and pave the way to a future judgment to be handed down by God the Father (Jesus is the Son, and the Holy Spirit). I just shared your videos with our local atheist commitee and they laughed at you. They basically said "anyone who can show us a misinformed, loopy atheist making a fool of himself and there you are, Proffy! Atheists are LAUGHIN AT YOUR STUPIDITY... LOL
aggienostic 9 months ago
@aggienostic " I just shared your videos with our local atheist commitee...."
Uh huh.
ProfMTH 9 months ago
@aggienostic Are you saying the bible is wrong? I just went and read all those verses in context with the verses around them it is still a contradiction. You seem to do mental gymnastics to make the bible say something different from what it really says.
MegaParadox69 8 months ago
@aggienostic This atheist isn't laughing at Prof, he's laughing at you for believing that:
Quote: "but He did come to fulfill prophecy"
No The stories of jesus were manipulated by the gospel writers, (whoever they were), to fit the "prophesies", and even then, some of them were wrongly interpreted.
HonestMan395 8 months ago
god is a myth the buybull is a fairytale!
billbo1154 9 months ago
So...in a courtroom? Judge: Sin of Lying how find thee? Sin of Lie: Innocent! Judge: Liar...take it away! IS that how it works?
genext7 9 months ago
@ServeTheWay The natural man recieveth not the things of the Spirit of God for they are foolishness to him neither can he know them because they are spiritually discerned, 1Cor 2:14-- I"t is appointed for man once to die but after this the judgement" Heb 9:27. The judgement in Jn9:39 is those that have a high conciet of their own wisdom against the revelationof God might be sealed in their ignorance Judgement is seperation showing true distinction between believers and those who refuse Christ
scotmanalick 9 months ago
short and to the point... and I might add ProfMTH you have a pretty healthy list of contradictory content to keep this series going for erm.... maybe 2,000 years?
Jesus...lol.. Jesus assuming he's not fictional was no doubt a perfectly normal average homosexual man...nothing wrong with that...
[snigger]
MumblingMickey 9 months ago
Jesus came to Judge sin, and in doing so, he judged sin by taking the sin upon his shoulders for punishment. I see no contradiction, because by that judgement, the world is not judged!
chapmaned 9 months ago
@chapmaned So Jesus judges without judging?
ProfMTH 9 months ago
@ProfMTH He judged sin, not people. So, YES! If sin was not judged, then he wouldn't have taken it upon his shoulders. But NO MAN was judged, and won't be until judgment day.
chapmaned 9 months ago
@chapmaned " He judged sin, not people. So, YES! "
LOL. OK, thanks.
ProfMTH 9 months ago
@chapmaned Accept for 67% of todays world population (and billions before and to come) who does not buy the story because there is no evidence, 'god's plan' is obviously not working so well then.
MegaParadox69 8 months ago
Now, if my memory serves me right - this song was from Sesame Street wasn't it?
BladesOfMunch 10 months ago
@BladesOfMunch Indeed.
ProfMTH 10 months ago
@ProfMTH Thanks for bringing back the childhood memories - it makes the video a great sing-a-long.
By the way, love these blunder videos -- they are terribly embarrassing oddities, but entertaining nevertheless. I LOVE them!
BladesOfMunch 10 months ago
@BladesOfMunch "By the way, love these blunder videos -- they are terribly embarrassing oddities, but entertaining nevertheless. I LOVE them!"
I'm glad you're enjoying them. :-)
ProfMTH 10 months ago
For the father and the son are the same
dannywizz 10 months ago
Thanks for the post.
Thearl 10 months ago
You might take note two things. Both John 3:17 and 12:47 use a different Greek word than John 9:39. Second the thought of the two is the same. Jesus purpose was to bring salvation to those that would instead of judgment. John 9:39 is for airheads like you that think they can see and are really blind. There is a difference between the two and as Jesus said you think you see but are blind.
RepresentingTruth 10 months ago
@RepresentingTruth "You might take note two things. Both John 3:17 and 12:47 use a different Greek word than John 9:39."
You might want to look at your lexicon/concordance at bit more closely.
ProfMTH 10 months ago
@ProfMTH How far away. I look at them about 6 inches from my eyes. Should it be 4? You make my night. Thanks.
RepresentingTruth 10 months ago
@RepresentingTruth Closely enough that you can see what your previous comment demonstrates you've missed about the words at issue here.
ProfMTH 10 months ago
@ProfMTH Really? I thought #2917 was different than #2919. Oh well I guess you will remain a legend in your own mind.
RepresentingTruth 10 months ago
@RepresentingTruth "I thought #2917 was different than #2919."
Clearly, you ignored my counsel to look more closely at your lexicon/concordance. The root word of G2917 (which is a neuter noun) is G2919 (which is a verb).
ProfMTH 10 months ago
@ProfMTH Thank you. I did that on purpose. You see I have seen in other videos where you present a word as most would take it and not bother to bring out the original meaning. You see I will not be predictable so lets have fun. What are you afraid of the truth?
RepresentingTruth 10 months ago
@RepresentingTruth "Thank you. I did that on purpose."
Uh huh.
ProfMTH 10 months ago
@ProfMTH Wow what a nerve. To actually think ahead.
RepresentingTruth 10 months ago
This is not a very good example of a blunder. All three verses agree that Jesus was not sent to judge, the odd one out simply adds that he was sent to be judged. Which is of course a lie, he was sent to be found erroneously guilty of other people's sins which they themselves never committed but were only guilty by inheritance because god can't forgive a sin even unto the sons and daughters of all future generations, but we need not go there.
Blackmark52 10 months ago
lame
geminirat60 11 months ago
@geminirat60 Refute it.
ProfMTH 11 months ago
You shouldn;t have posted this. It makes you look like an idiot and now I can't watch anymore.
poopyscoopy5 1 year ago
@poopyscoopy5 Your argument is so compellingly persuasive. Truly amazing.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH lol
misterstarwars 11 months ago
@poopyscoopy5 You shouldn't have posted that comment. It makes you look like an idiot.
Do you see how meaningless those words are?
mskillzeee 11 months ago
@poopyscoopy5 yeah, and with a name like "poopyscoopy5", you must be a genius.
lunarelf 10 months ago
There's no contradiction. Let's put it all together...
"I didn't come into this world "to judge" the world but "FOR judgement" I came into this world."
One phrase reflects "an initiator", while the other reflects "a recipient".
Christ indeed came for judgement against himself, but he himself did NOT judge anyone. This was his specific mission as testified throughout the whole of scripture; to be an innocent person judged for the sin of humanity.
jpmay26 1 year ago
@jpmay26 i like it
foxdragon84 11 months ago
@jpmay26
so
jesus is god...
yet he came here to be judged...
by whom exactly? who can judge god?
i'm kind of flabberghasted by your statement....
sabin97 11 months ago
@sabin97 (sorry for delay I don't use this login for emails)
Christ is our God...while the Father is God of all (the most high). The Father is Christ's God & ours (John 20:17).
By whom is Christ judged? The Father
Why? Because Christ chose to take our place (call it love for his creations).
Most consider Christ and the Father equal (on the same level), but they are not. The Father is greater than the Son. (John 10:29 & 14:28)
jpmay26 9 months ago
@jpmay26
actually the ghosty god is highest
blaspheming against the holy ghost is the only sin the father is unable to forgive
you can blaspheme against the father and the son and it;s ok
blaspheme once against the holy ghost and you are doomed forever....not even the blood sacrifice the son made to quench the father will help you...even if you repent and lead a perfect saintly life...
sabin97 9 months ago
The Judgments that the Lord YAHUSHUA spoke of, were of two different kinds of Judgments. The "Judgments" of JOHN 3:17 and 12:47 refer to the Final Judgment of Condemnation to Hell. The Judgment of 9:39 speaks of the Judgment of THIS life, where those who seek the Truth will find it and those who THINK they know the Truth, (but really don't), will remain blinded at the risk of Damnation. Everything must be read in CONTEXT.
gdg1963 1 year ago
Notice the wordage in John 3:17 and 12:47 saying to judge the world (kosmos). It was said when the Messiah came the Judgement of the world would occur (ie the end of this universe). However Christ told them that this wasn't what He came to do (in the first coming). However He was sent in the World to judge. To judge the people "that those who do not see may see" (Jn9:39) ie to judge their ways that those in error may see that they are.
C0pticChurch 1 year ago
whats the point in using bible verses out of context?
mexipino61 1 year ago
@mexipino61 There isn't any. That's why I don't do it.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH well to my understanding that john 3:16-21 why jesus came to the earth; john 9:35-41 jesus was warning of the impending judgment of God heb 9:27; John 12: 42-50 again a warning for those who reject jesus, the son of God. im just curious if you had any formal training or done any research for yourself on the subject? i am just trying to understand where you are coming from. a bit of background information.
mexipino61 1 year ago
@ProfMTH,
Well done, my friend, As a Christian clergyman, I think it's important for intelligent Christians who don't believe that God intended us to flush the brain he gave us down the toilet to distinguish between what is worthwhile in the bible and what is ERRONEOUSLY attributed to "God", "the Lord", etc., etc.,
I'm going to add a link to this video to my web page on bible contradictions Google "inerrancy.html",
Google "whatkindofgod" to see my page on horrible words attributed to God!
Rayosun4 1 year ago
@Rayosun4 Great. Thanks.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH You're using those versus out of context..You cut off the first verse presentwed here John 3:17 says: " God did not send his Son into the world to judge the world, BUT SO WORLD COULD BE SAVED THROUGH HIM" you ommited the second very important part of the verse. Next is John 9:39 where Jesus now summarizes: for judgment he has come. There is a contradiction, but only a superficial one, with 3:17. Jesus’ mission is to save the world. He did not come with the mission of condemming it. cont
iraidushka 1 year ago
@ProfMTH cont. But (as 3:19-21 goes on to explain, as well as the examples of 8:1-11 and here) by the very fact of the Light coming into the world, judgment is provoked. As men respond, so they are judged. The presence of the Light necessitates a choice—to come to it or to shrink back—and this choice is one’s judgment. Huni, you can't just cherry pick cut off parts of Bible versus without reading entire chapters so you can get a grasp of what is written there.
iraidushka 1 year ago
@mexipino61
Christians always try to rationalize the obvious inconsistencies contained within the Bible's pages. It's not just a few verses here and there, either. The Bible is overflowing with nonsense.
Wouldn't a book inspired by a perfect being be cohesive and awe inspiring? Wouldn't such a book be beyond reproach and universally accepted by mankind for its self-evident brilliance?
Clearly, the Bible is not such a book.
llkeith77 11 months ago
Once again, context is thrown completely out the window. Lets examine John 3:17 but as luck would have it the maker of this video has seemingly forgot AGAIN to read the verses that follow , verses like oh i dont know..18 ! "Whoever does not believe stands condemned already !" that is judgement ! as for 12:47 , lets read 48 " there is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which i spoke will condemn him." Wow so Jesus' words have the power to condemn!
ors712 1 year ago
@ors712 So did Jesus come into the world to judge or not?
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH Jesus came into the world to give life in his name John 3:16 . Jesus is also the Judge of makind John 5:22, Revelation 22;12. You still have no argument.
ors712 1 year ago
@ors712 I'll ask my question again and this time I'd appreciate your answering it. Did Jesus come into the world to judge or not? Here are your choices: (A) Yes, Jesus came into the world to judge; (B) No, Jesus did not come into the world to judge. Which is it?
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ors712, As a Christian clergyman, I think you're in way over your head, giving such an inadequate objection to a perfectly reasonable question about just ONE of many examples of bible contradictions.
Google "inerrancy.html", and you'll find the top listing, my very own expose as a Christian clergyman of passages that cannot BOTH be embraced at the same time by any intelligent human being, unless you believe that God intended you to flush the brain he gave you down the toilet.
Rayosun4 1 year ago
He didn´t come to juzge others.
but for Juzgement. cuz His Mesage would offer Salvation. so ppl would get saved of lost by their own choice. it s all up to us. in the future Day of the Juzgement, our decisions will have consecuences =) !
yaitsmesuperboomboon 1 year ago
Ha Ha Ha. This this how you show respect for others?
BGfromGB 1 year ago
@BGfromGB What?
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH yOU WANT ME TO SHOW YOU THE BLUNDERS OF THE qURAN?
BGfromGB 1 year ago
@BGfromGB If you'd like to a series on blunders in the Quran, feel free.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH Have just read your profile & note you're atheist. That's fine by me. So I'll take your arguments on the scriptures with a pinch of salt. What surprises me is that I thought university professors would go all out to prove intelligent issues such as evolution as fact instead of wasting their valuable time stooping so low to debate "mythical" books.
O well, we get all sorts in life, least of all professors!!!
BGfromGB 1 year ago
@BGfromGB "Have just read your profile & note you're atheist. That's fine by me."
I can't tell you how relieved I am that my atheism is fine by you. What a relief!
"So I'll take your arguments on the scriptures with a pinch of salt."
Go look up with ad hominem fallacy.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
If you are " " blessed " " with increased SELF-DELUSION all 3 can be anything the hell you want them to be . Hey , presto , , , MAGIC . This is the level of DELUSION these NUTTERS believe to be O.K. and healthy for their children . . . AND YOURS .
evidenceonly 1 year ago
That's the right way how to deal with them:)Laugh!!!Great video.
phillozoph50 1 year ago
AAAAWESOOOOOOME !!!! Love it
Adamalgorithm 1 year ago
oh come on! you're makin it too easy now it's always the one in the middle! make it more challenging!
liovarjo 1 year ago
@liovarjo LOL.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
Very good!
outofthegreenmist 1 year ago
@outofthegreenmist Thanks.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
in each one of these verses Jesus was talking about different things, which these quotes leave out... so i say they are all different, not two alike. nice try with the video though!
God bless :)
gerinja 1 year ago
@gerinja "in each one of these verses Jesus was talking about different things"
Really? What *are* those different things? Please share. Thanks.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH i'd like to hear "those different things" also.lol.ppl just don't want to give up their fiction.
saladooq 1 year ago
@ProfMTH in john chapter 3 and 12 he is saying his focus is on saving the world not condeming it. in john 9 he is saying that because God will judge all men, he has come to save us. so he came because judgement is coming on us, not that he came to judge.
moncadaaxm 1 year ago
@moncadaaxm Not what the text is saying in the third case. Also, whom does Jesus identify as the judge in the gospel of John?
ProfMTH 1 year ago
O, I love how every christian thinks THEY understand the bible. All the others have it wrong. If there are 2 billion christians, there are 2 billion interpretations. Who knows, maybe one of them has it right. But you know what, I doubt it.
threeholerhauler 1 year ago
LOL!!!!!!!!!!
princessannikki 1 year ago
When Jesus said, "I came not to judge the world", He was talking about His first coming. He came to save everyone who is lost and He won't turn anyone away. When He said, "for judgment I have come", He was talking about His second coming when He will come to judge the world. I will definately be praying for you.
cherryorch1957 1 year ago
@cherryorch1957 ""for judgment I have come", He was talking about His second coming"
One wonders how you can know this since he doesn't mention "His second coming" in the passage.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
I'm not an intellectual or a theologian but I have experienced the mercy, love, compassion and total awesomeness of Jesus. He has been there with me through some very tragic times in my life. You did cause me to have questions regarding these verses, but if I know my Jesus, (and I do), He wil clearly reveal to me what He meant when He said, "for judgement I have come". He has always been faithful to answer all my questions. Jesus is AWESOME & it's truly sad that you don't know Him.
cherryorch1957 1 year ago
@cherryorch1957 "I'm not an intellectual"..Ripe to be indoctrinated into the fantasy of religion.
agent1180 1 year ago
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cherryorch1957 1 year ago
The reason why this may "seem" true is because the world as a whole (as well as you who try to refute the bible) is missing discernment of the Spirit. 1 Corinthians 2:13-14 says " These things we also speak, not in words which mans wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
uranumbnuts 1 year ago
@uranumbnuts "You "SEE" a contradiction because you are "BLIND"."
LOL. Hey, cowboy, instead of ranting in multiple comment boxes, make a video response. It's YouTube after all.
And spare me the special, unique knowledge claim vis-a-vis the Hebrew and Christian scriptures. It's bullshit, the last refuge of an apologist who lacks an actual argument.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH- Lol. Look, I'm not the average bible thumper. I can talk to anybody all day about what the bible says, but I know that most people will never be willing to accept what it says (Matthew 22:14) because it asks too much of them (Matthew 26:41). Lol. I am not here to cram the bible down your throat. I am just pointing out the fact that most people that talk about the bible, talk without understanding. As far as "ranting" is concerned, I blame it on technical issues. :-P
uranumbnuts 1 year ago
@uranumbnuts " I'm not the average bible thumper."
If you say so. Thanks.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@uranumbnuts
what's ur point?
thedayitriedtodie 1 year ago
The reason why this may "seem" true is because the world as a whole (as well as you who try to refute the bible) is missing discernment of the Spirit. 1 Corinthians 2:13-14 says " These things we also speak, not in words which mans wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
uranumbnuts 1 year ago
Thats why it says ""For judgment (read John 8:15) I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind." The verse used in this video was very fitting. It describes perfectly what my sovereign Lord Jesus was talking about. You "SEE" a contradiction because you are "BLIND" to the meaning of why Jesus came into the world.
uranumbnuts 1 year ago
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uranumbnuts 1 year ago
woah, jesus was white? or are these artists conceptions inaccurate? :)
Neeboopsh 1 year ago
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Joel 3
"1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Yisrayl, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
3 And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink.
derekdb2 1 year ago
Sorry, zip, you are not allowed to use the word "fact" anymore because you dont know what a fact is. You seem to think the ravings of a stroke victim (saul of tarsus) counts as fact. No, facts are backed up by testing and evidence. Anyone who thinks jesus existed is a retard, its a shame that mental retardation claims over 90% of the population.
hoodge314 1 year ago
37Jesus said to him, "You have seen him, and it is he who is speaking to you."38He said, "Lord, I believe," and he worshiped him. 39Jesus said, "For judgment I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind." 40Some of the Pharisees near him heard these things, and said to him, "Are we also blind?" 41Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have no guilt; but now that you say, 'We see,' your guilt remains.
tifforo1 1 year ago
That book is replete with contradictions, which means it is full of continuity issues!! Which PROVES its fallibility!! So then, it cannot be the expressed infallible word of god. Religion is a tool to keep the ignorant masses in a perpetual state of fear and obedience. KNOWLEDGE is power and blind faith is an expression of ignorance. Peace2U!!
mrglazedonut2u 1 year ago
These aren't contradictions, so you can continue trying to call them that like a child arguing against math simply because he doesn't understand addition or subtraction. And you'll never learn or understand when you come in with such a belligerent attitude. There is a God and He has done and said much, you can whine and argue your short little life away but you can't turn a truth into anything else. Just because you don't understand only shows your own inability, not that it's a lie.
fightingsoup 1 year ago
@fightingsoup Just curious -how are those not contradictory? They clearly say two quite different things, which does happen to be what "contradictory" means. Pointing out that verses within one Gospel (not to mention between Gospels) are inconsistent is hardly belligerent; it's a simple demonstration of fact. No one in here is arguing or whining but you.
thepoindexter 1 year ago
@thepoindexter they dont contridict because in one chapter he's telling us He wasnt sent to judge us, and in John 9:39 he's telling us that he was sent hear to be judged by us if you dont believe thats true then why was he judged and then was sentenced to be beaten and crucified, thats why He said " for judgement i have come into this world" it not a controdiction
zipitup75 1 year ago
@zipitup75 If you read the context of John 9:39, he is clearly stating that he has come to judge the world. John 9:40 "Some Pharisees who were with him heard him say this and asked, "What? Are we blind too?"" and John 9:41 "Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.""
You failed to make an argument and instead have reinforced what the video already points out. Additionally, Jesus is a quasi-historical figure at best.
ThePoindexter89 1 year ago
@zipitup75 "in John 9:39 he's telling us that he was sent hear to be judged by us"
No, it doesn't.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH well based on the facts that we(mankind) were the ones that killed him, we were the judge jury and executioner, therefore it is logical and right what He said, for judgement i came to this world, because we did judge Him
zipitup75 1 year ago
@zipitup75 You're simply ignoring what the story in John 9 actually says in favor of imposing your theological interpretation of Jesus' execution on it.
ProfMTH 1 year ago