would you mind telling me if you had to cock it after each shot or if you could simply keep firing, how many shots it has? i need a basic idea for a project :) any help would be greatly obliged
truth is, these day, you have to watch out. the crooks are so good at faking they have fooled many and as far as stories and paper work goes, its really fluff. photos are more sound but again, fluff. just be careful way way way to many originals out there. and if they are a true item, chances are its way over priced for what it is. you wont get your investment that you think your getting.
@TheFoundersWereRight: Thanks for that ,... yeah I remember that it was a octogonal barrel and a brass trigger unit - good to see as well at the opening scene but I didn't know the model specification. Thankf or that. On a vacational trip to Marbella Spain I nearly bought it in a department store for about 30 $s
does anybody know, if Terence Hill used to have a 1860 Model in mostly all of his movies playing in the wild west? I need to get me a replica for my movie shrain^^
@J4NN3K To my Knowlege, Terrence Hill did not use the 1860 army revolver. It was instead I believe a 1851 colt. I don't know if it was a converted model, but they play it off as a cartridge gun. I will check my Copies of the trinity movies tonight though. If I remember right, He tended to use the same weapon in most of his other movies as well, like "God Forgives, I don't" "Trouble Makers" and the few others where he played the Gunslinger stereotype.
@J4NN3K Well, I checked. The point to Watch for in "They call me Trinity" is the scene in the Bar where he is talking to the major. When he shoots the guy upstairs you can see the Octogonal barrel of the Colt 1851. Hope that Clears things up for you.
It's amazing how expensive Things like 145 year old guns are traded in the US of A ,.. we got Canons standing around on walls that are about a 1000 years old and kids climbing on it overseas^^ ... but you can get replicas like everywhere inside the US, even in the lobby of a hotel in Yosemite-Park^^.
Maybe I got a good proposal for you guys, take a look at the spanish market - the european spanish market, not in mexico - there are a lot of guns available from the colonial era.
@SpencerM1A1 I know it's not true. It has a story behind it, and it is uncommon. That is what makes it so pricy. A Les Paul Gibson from 1960 is pretty expensive, but if it was played by Jimmi Hendrix would that not make it cost more?
@buttnut1080 Well it sure is true with all of my fathers firearms. Maybe he is lucky? You buy a '41 dodge. If you keep that in good condition do you really think its value is going to decrease? Espically if a famous person owned it before.
@buttnut1080 The thing is, if he takes care of that revolver it will only increase in value. Buying firearms is a wise investement. He can sell it later if he needs/wants to and get all or more of his money back. I know that and I am just 16.
@BlackSabbath1204 don't know if this is his or not or that it is the real deal, but can be verified for the time period by looking at the production number
@BlackSabbath1204 Originals are rare. One has to be careful because there are many replicas out there that look exactly like the real thing and they can be made to look old. A friend got ripped off by one.
I saw one of these at my local gun store and.. the thing is in mint condition. .44CAL... I'm kind of suspicious as to whether or not it's real as it's only $888... but it looks un-used. Shouldn't it be a lot more?
@AxRhea88 $888's too cheap to be a historical piece, especially in mint condition. It's most likely a a Colt Reproduction. They started producing quality fireable repro's quite a few years ago, and the price you gave sounds about right for a Colt. Others are made by various companies, but usually not that expensive.
Your story about the bullet in the wood brings real doubt as the authenticity of the entire box full you have there.
You can buy chunks of wood on eBay with a "civil war" bullet in it. Just search eBay for "LARGE BULLET IN WOOD - ORIGINAL CIVIL WAR DUG RELIC" and you see that they're all over the place.
The story about him being shot at sure seems thin after seeing these things on eBay.
I would be willing to make an offer only if the pistol is in firing condition. I re-enact and use only actual 1st gen pistols. thanks for any response.
aviatorairman2000 It's plain to see you know nothing about these pistols at all. It's a Civil War piece. Why on earth would you want to fire THIS one. Go out and buy a replica an dshoot that. This is NOT for shooitning in some re-enactment battle.
I wouldn't use this particular pistol sir in re-enactments. This one obviously has provenance. Although I would shoot it from time to time. Thats what guns were made for. Shooting. Just my opinion. As long as you clean it afterwards and examine for fractures there is no reason not too.
@Fabiocrow777 Agreed. If it's the real deal (it looks in awfully good shape to be an authentic relic, but if' it's been proven, then nuff said), then it's a BAD mistake to fire it. Replica's are anywhere from $150 to $900, depending on the maker, CVA on the low end, Colt on the upper end, but an historical revolver can go from $4,000 to $30,000 or more, depending on the model and condition. Yes, guns are for shooting, but remember, each shot from this one is costing you hundreds in depreciation.
@HooseBinPharteen Just caught it: valued at $18,000. Shoot it, it becomes worth $16,000. Shoot it again, $12,000. It's so old, you don't know what the stress will do to it, how much it will reduce the value with unnecessary damage. If anyone wants the thrill of firing black powder, inexpensive and non-historical pieces abound for next to nothing, and they're just as enjoyable. If this were mine, there's no way I'd risk damaging it.
@HooseBinPharteen I disagree. As long as a knowlegable gunsmith checks it out first, firing a few rounds through it would not decrease the value that much. Just use Pyrex, not black powder and clean it gently afterwards. You'de be crazy to fire a fine antique like this on a regular basis, but it certainly isn't delicate. The iron's strength doesn't degrade over time. You speak as if the value would drop to nothing if someone fired it x amount of times.
@TheRadar77 No, of course it wouldn't "bottom out". But the moment you fire it, you've lowered it significantly. There's a huge difference between, "The small trace amounts of powder residue you see in there were likely left by Major Sam Logan, the last person known to have fired this fine revolver back in 1864" and, "The reason the gun is squeaky clean is because some dork in 2010 decided to fire an historic gun from 1861 instead of buying a $200 Pietta and having fun with it."
@HooseBinPharteen Also, unlike sidlocks, the old BP revolvers were much higher maintenance, due to complexity of many more moving parts. If someone is foolish enough to fire a well documented gun like this, the more he fires it the more likely a spring or cylinderbolt or something equally small and fragile is going to wear out and break. He's got a choice then: fix it or not. If he fixes it, he has a semi-valuable nearly all original gun. If he doesn't, he's got a non-firing $4,500 paperweight.
@HooseBinPharteen Yes. I see your point. I was just saying vintage firearms like these are not fragile in anyway. Whether they were fired 150 years ago or yesterday is not going to destroy the gun. The metal doesn't care. As for tracing black powder residue in the barrel to a famous man who owned the piece beforehand...I thought that was what the paperwork was for.
norgetab is right, and "wiping them down every few days" just doesn't cut it. If that gun really does have absolutely reliable documentation that it did belong to who you say it did, then you should handle it with cotton gloves on as norgetab said earlier.
Also, you aren't quite correct when you say the gun "has to be in good shape" to be worth that money. I've seen "1860 Army's" in much worse condition than that which sold for $25,000.00 or more. There's a lot more to it than "shape."
Well @GunWebsites once again norgetab is correct. I also don't appreciate the rude remark about how " I can do what I like with firearms". I was trying to offer you some help man. It's obvious you do not know how to handle a piece of THAT quality because if you did, you would be wearing cotton gloves as norgetab has suggested. If I were your boss I would fire you for your rudeness, your arrogance and your uncaring attitude toward a beautiful piece of American history. You should be ashamed.
Hey there GunWebsites, this beautiful revolver may not become damaged by your maintenance schedule but they most certainly WILL become damaged by you handling them without cotton gloves on. Good grief man, does the owner of this firearm know you are handling them in this way? Show some respect for the piece and put on some gloves.
Awesome, I would not touch this gun without using cotton gloves, acids on your fingertips will overtime damage the surface if left unclean. And you do not want to clean a gun like this.
wow, it must be amazing holding that gun knowing what it's been through. You ever fired it?
DoctorMeticulous 2 months ago
@DoctorMeticulous
never fired it, never would.. but it is impressive to think of all it's been through when you pick it up
GunWebsites 2 months ago
the oldies are back
SuperRip7 5 months ago
would you mind telling me if you had to cock it after each shot or if you could simply keep firing, how many shots it has? i need a basic idea for a project :) any help would be greatly obliged
naosasukex 6 months ago
@naosasukex
this is a single action, not a double action
GunWebsites 6 months ago
that is awesome story
alen209 9 months ago
@TheGlobalGamer
yes
GunWebsites 9 months ago
wait wait wait...y do u own this
gunstock007 11 months ago
@gunstock007
who put you in charge of who owns what?
GunWebsites 11 months ago 3
truth is, these day, you have to watch out. the crooks are so good at faking they have fooled many and as far as stories and paper work goes, its really fluff. photos are more sound but again, fluff. just be careful way way way to many originals out there. and if they are a true item, chances are its way over priced for what it is. you wont get your investment that you think your getting.
glynamus 1 year ago
@TheFoundersWereRight: Thanks for that ,... yeah I remember that it was a octogonal barrel and a brass trigger unit - good to see as well at the opening scene but I didn't know the model specification. Thankf or that. On a vacational trip to Marbella Spain I nearly bought it in a department store for about 30 $s
J4NN3K 1 year ago
does anybody know, if Terence Hill used to have a 1860 Model in mostly all of his movies playing in the wild west? I need to get me a replica for my movie shrain^^
J4NN3K 1 year ago
@J4NN3K To my Knowlege, Terrence Hill did not use the 1860 army revolver. It was instead I believe a 1851 colt. I don't know if it was a converted model, but they play it off as a cartridge gun. I will check my Copies of the trinity movies tonight though. If I remember right, He tended to use the same weapon in most of his other movies as well, like "God Forgives, I don't" "Trouble Makers" and the few others where he played the Gunslinger stereotype.
TheFoundersWereRight 1 year ago
@J4NN3K Well, I checked. The point to Watch for in "They call me Trinity" is the scene in the Bar where he is talking to the major. When he shoots the guy upstairs you can see the Octogonal barrel of the Colt 1851. Hope that Clears things up for you.
TheFoundersWereRight 1 year ago
It's amazing how expensive Things like 145 year old guns are traded in the US of A ,.. we got Canons standing around on walls that are about a 1000 years old and kids climbing on it overseas^^ ... but you can get replicas like everywhere inside the US, even in the lobby of a hotel in Yosemite-Park^^.
Maybe I got a good proposal for you guys, take a look at the spanish market - the european spanish market, not in mexico - there are a lot of guns available from the colonial era.
J4NN3K 1 year ago
do you think you would be able to get your hands on an M14 single shot rifle
TheHunter195 1 year ago
@TheHunter195
I have shot one, but nope.. very rare
GunWebsites 1 year ago
@GunWebsites i thought m14s were all usely semi auto
kyleierlan 10 months ago
The revolver is sweet
SgtB0YR13 1 year ago
@buttnut1080 It has alot of history, and it is old. People will play alot of money for it. Just like a guitar.
SpencerM1A1 1 year ago
@SpencerM1A1 I know it's not true. It has a story behind it, and it is uncommon. That is what makes it so pricy. A Les Paul Gibson from 1960 is pretty expensive, but if it was played by Jimmi Hendrix would that not make it cost more?
SpencerM1A1 1 year ago
@buttnut1080
You know little about how value is placed on items
GunWebsites 1 year ago
@buttnut1080 I;m talking about this revolver. It is a one of a kind.
SpencerM1A1 1 year ago
@buttnut1080 Well it sure is true with all of my fathers firearms. Maybe he is lucky? You buy a '41 dodge. If you keep that in good condition do you really think its value is going to decrease? Espically if a famous person owned it before.
SpencerM1A1 1 year ago
@buttnut1080 The thing is, if he takes care of that revolver it will only increase in value. Buying firearms is a wise investement. He can sell it later if he needs/wants to and get all or more of his money back. I know that and I am just 16.
SpencerM1A1 1 year ago
are u sure its ok to be touching such an artefact like that with out gloves ?
555banzai 1 year ago
@555banzai
it's wiped down after touching.. not required to wear gloves to handle it though
GunWebsites 1 year ago
That is bullshit so not his. I found one exctly like that and they arent rare
BlackSabbath1204 1 year ago
@BlackSabbath1204
Sure
GunWebsites 1 year ago
@BlackSabbath1204 don't know if this is his or not or that it is the real deal, but can be verified for the time period by looking at the production number
truesivad 1 year ago
@BlackSabbath1204 actually it is for an old one new ones are about $800 and old is about roughly about $10,000 to 18,000 dollars
JOSHIEKIDD 1 year ago
@BlackSabbath1204 Originals are rare. One has to be careful because there are many replicas out there that look exactly like the real thing and they can be made to look old. A friend got ripped off by one.
jimitl5 1 year ago
VOLCANIC PISTOL
RussianCommie666 1 year ago
I saw one of these at my local gun store and.. the thing is in mint condition. .44CAL... I'm kind of suspicious as to whether or not it's real as it's only $888... but it looks un-used. Shouldn't it be a lot more?
AxRhea88 1 year ago
@AxRhea88
Yes real would be a bit more usually
GunWebsites 1 year ago
@AxRhea88 not unless the owner of the shop does not actually know what he has. thas why its so cheap
yiungD1118 1 year ago
@AxRhea88 $888's too cheap to be a historical piece, especially in mint condition. It's most likely a a Colt Reproduction. They started producing quality fireable repro's quite a few years ago, and the price you gave sounds about right for a Colt. Others are made by various companies, but usually not that expensive.
HooseBinPharteen 1 year ago
@AxRhea88 Yours maybe a 3rd generation new made
LRooster4Prez 1 year ago
Your story about the bullet in the wood brings real doubt as the authenticity of the entire box full you have there.
You can buy chunks of wood on eBay with a "civil war" bullet in it. Just search eBay for "LARGE BULLET IN WOOD - ORIGINAL CIVIL WAR DUG RELIC" and you see that they're all over the place.
The story about him being shot at sure seems thin after seeing these things on eBay.
I wonder about the gun now, too.
Fabiocrow777 2 years ago
OK well
GunWebsites 2 years ago
@Fabiocrow777 I would scretinize the documentation more than the gun. Fabricated stories are every where when it comes to gun deals
LRooster4Prez 1 year ago
I would be willing to make an offer only if the pistol is in firing condition. I re-enact and use only actual 1st gen pistols. thanks for any response.
aviatorairman2000 2 years ago
aviatorairman2000 It's plain to see you know nothing about these pistols at all. It's a Civil War piece. Why on earth would you want to fire THIS one. Go out and buy a replica an dshoot that. This is NOT for shooitning in some re-enactment battle.
Fabiocrow777 2 years ago
I wouldn't use this particular pistol sir in re-enactments. This one obviously has provenance. Although I would shoot it from time to time. Thats what guns were made for. Shooting. Just my opinion. As long as you clean it afterwards and examine for fractures there is no reason not too.
aviatorairman2000 2 years ago
@Fabiocrow777 Agreed. If it's the real deal (it looks in awfully good shape to be an authentic relic, but if' it's been proven, then nuff said), then it's a BAD mistake to fire it. Replica's are anywhere from $150 to $900, depending on the maker, CVA on the low end, Colt on the upper end, but an historical revolver can go from $4,000 to $30,000 or more, depending on the model and condition. Yes, guns are for shooting, but remember, each shot from this one is costing you hundreds in depreciation.
HooseBinPharteen 1 year ago
@HooseBinPharteen Just caught it: valued at $18,000. Shoot it, it becomes worth $16,000. Shoot it again, $12,000. It's so old, you don't know what the stress will do to it, how much it will reduce the value with unnecessary damage. If anyone wants the thrill of firing black powder, inexpensive and non-historical pieces abound for next to nothing, and they're just as enjoyable. If this were mine, there's no way I'd risk damaging it.
HooseBinPharteen 1 year ago
@HooseBinPharteen I disagree. As long as a knowlegable gunsmith checks it out first, firing a few rounds through it would not decrease the value that much. Just use Pyrex, not black powder and clean it gently afterwards. You'de be crazy to fire a fine antique like this on a regular basis, but it certainly isn't delicate. The iron's strength doesn't degrade over time. You speak as if the value would drop to nothing if someone fired it x amount of times.
TheRadar77 1 year ago
@TheRadar77 No, of course it wouldn't "bottom out". But the moment you fire it, you've lowered it significantly. There's a huge difference between, "The small trace amounts of powder residue you see in there were likely left by Major Sam Logan, the last person known to have fired this fine revolver back in 1864" and, "The reason the gun is squeaky clean is because some dork in 2010 decided to fire an historic gun from 1861 instead of buying a $200 Pietta and having fun with it."
Make sense?
HooseBinPharteen 1 year ago
@HooseBinPharteen Also, unlike sidlocks, the old BP revolvers were much higher maintenance, due to complexity of many more moving parts. If someone is foolish enough to fire a well documented gun like this, the more he fires it the more likely a spring or cylinderbolt or something equally small and fragile is going to wear out and break. He's got a choice then: fix it or not. If he fixes it, he has a semi-valuable nearly all original gun. If he doesn't, he's got a non-firing $4,500 paperweight.
HooseBinPharteen 1 year ago
@HooseBinPharteen Yes. I see your point. I was just saying vintage firearms like these are not fragile in anyway. Whether they were fired 150 years ago or yesterday is not going to destroy the gun. The metal doesn't care. As for tracing black powder residue in the barrel to a famous man who owned the piece beforehand...I thought that was what the paperwork was for.
TheRadar77 1 year ago
norgetab is right, and "wiping them down every few days" just doesn't cut it. If that gun really does have absolutely reliable documentation that it did belong to who you say it did, then you should handle it with cotton gloves on as norgetab said earlier.
Also, you aren't quite correct when you say the gun "has to be in good shape" to be worth that money. I've seen "1860 Army's" in much worse condition than that which sold for $25,000.00 or more. There's a lot more to it than "shape."
LoboNegroGrande 2 years ago
well that's fine and you can do what you like with your firearms..
but here in AZ there is very little / no rust, so these firearms are not becoming damaged with our maintenance schedule
GunWebsites 2 years ago
Well @GunWebsites once again norgetab is correct. I also don't appreciate the rude remark about how " I can do what I like with firearms". I was trying to offer you some help man. It's obvious you do not know how to handle a piece of THAT quality because if you did, you would be wearing cotton gloves as norgetab has suggested. If I were your boss I would fire you for your rudeness, your arrogance and your uncaring attitude toward a beautiful piece of American history. You should be ashamed.
LoboNegroGrande 2 years ago
Hey there GunWebsites, this beautiful revolver may not become damaged by your maintenance schedule but they most certainly WILL become damaged by you handling them without cotton gloves on. Good grief man, does the owner of this firearm know you are handling them in this way? Show some respect for the piece and put on some gloves.
BufflerChips 2 years ago
Awesome, I would not touch this gun without using cotton gloves, acids on your fingertips will overtime damage the surface if left unclean. And you do not want to clean a gun like this.
norgetab 2 years ago
we do wipe them down every few days
GunWebsites 2 years ago
wow awesome, as they say with these old guns "if only it could talk", can't say that with many weapons these days though.
CenturyGamer 2 years ago
right, most modern guns could only tell stories of living in a safe with the occasional trip to the range
.. but thats prolly a good thing
GunWebsites 2 years ago
Sweet video. Thanks for sharing.
Speed00007 2 years ago
That's really cool!
watcher8o 2 years ago
Best vid ever! History, everyone can enjoy
SKULLZ0MBIE 2 years ago
Wow thanks, I wasn't sure how / if people would like the old stuff
GunWebsites 2 years ago
well, I enjoy cowboy action shooting
SKULLZ0MBIE 2 years ago