Someone once told me that, "The TRUTH is still the TRUTH even if it comes out of the mouth of a DOG!" Understand, I am NOT calling Steve Harvey a dog, but what he said was the TRUTH and if you don't like what he said, simply DON'T LISTEN! He made a FABULOUS INTRODUCTION for the LORD, SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST the soon coming KING of KINGS, RULER of this world and mankind. Great job Steve. Keep up the good work!!!
OH! HOW I LOOOOVE JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH! I DONT CARE WHAT PEOPLE THINK, AS FOR ME THAT WAS AN AWESOME INTRO 4 KING OF KINGS JESUS OF NAZARETH. MY LORD IS THE BEST!!
Where was this filmed. It says a secular audience, but I don't think this was a secular event. Given that this was a normal audience and assuming a uniform distribution of people, the audience would have been ~85% Christians. Given that many African Americans like African American comedians, and that African Americans tend to be more religious we can assume even higher. The audience were probably fans of his and thus fans of his views. Secular audience? I call B.S.
You say Jesus The Christ isn't real how's come? Darwin seemed to believe! What do you believe? Is there hell? Is it a real place? I believe it is a real place! So if there is hell why isn't there a heaven? Look around someone had to create this place called earth. There is more fact than fiction by those who studied the word and tried to prove it wrong. I dare you to prove it wrong! I fade you to prove Jesus wrong? Let me know how it turns out for you o.k. God loves you even if you don't believ
@frankiejrgiovinetti YOU ARE RIGHT by the Righteousness of God through the Holy Spirit via his Holy Words, through Yahushua (Jesus), our Savior! God gave and what do we give in return?
AWESOME!!!!!! only haters leave negative commentsbut FEAR NOT, HE HAS OVERCOME! don't let the negative comments rouse you...sadly there day will comeit's called SALVATION & it's tough yes but it's also FREEIF you don't believe it just ask Him 2 reveal Himself with & honest heart & He wil!FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WHOLE WORLD, THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON THAT "WHO-SO-EVER" BELIEVES IN HIM SHALL NOT PARISH BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE!!
This is no less than a prayer. A true believer begging for his delusion to become real, and being verified and accepted by the masses in his audience. Jesus... Christ.
Oh geez... that was actually scary. At first, ok. Then it went from funny and clever to.. is he for real? I mean, really, for real? It was too much. The more he lists the supposed credits, the more it is obvious he is introducing a fictional, mythical character. Then the lights go out, they flash, as if Jesus himself will walk on stage. And the crowd does go wild, clapping cheering as if they actually expect, through the power of this speech, Christ himself to suddenly appear.
Awesome! I'm not that familiar with Steve Harvey, but he nailed this one. Brought tears to my eyes by the end. Truth is not meant to be funny, but enlightening, and Mr. Harvey sure glared the light. I hope he lives this Truth in his act when doing his normal routine. Kudos, Mr. Harvey.
@kenshin304 it is not meant to be funny. it is not meant to entertain you. you will find God lame if you do not know Him, if you do not belong to Him. He remains God with or without you (or any one else, including me). I don't even have to defend Him. He stands alone. He is sovereign but He offers His grace to you, to us all. May you find it one day.
That was more like, let me use God to get more popular, so i can get more people to watch my video! God would need no introduction! It would be the other way around!
And this is why I prefer black preachers over white preachers. white preachers say it like they want to get it over with in a hushed tone. Black preacher will chase you down and yell it in your ear
Most all of the worlds law / rules to live by.. is based on the ten commandments... So I guess one could argue if there is no God.. the ten commandments are also a hoax.. trick.. lie.
If that assumption is true.. then in the absence of God and his ten laws.. it must be assumed to be alright to lie, cheat and steal. And.. if we all practice in that vain.. What "hope" do you or we have for ever trusting our neighbor.. much less ourself?? Do you really think mans laws work?
@gracetime i find your statement to be false because i do not believe in god and i know for a fact that i am moraly superior then he is. unlike your god, i do not condone slaughter, genocide, human sacrifices and slavery. and btw if you actually read the bible you'd know there are more then the 10 comandments, there are actually 613 of them. but you probably pick and choose which ones to whorship like the bigot Christian you are.
If God ( including Mohammed, Buddha, Jehovah or whatever name you have for your particular Supreme Being) does not/never did exist or as some say, is dead, then religion of whatever variety is the biggest con -trick ever perpetrated on the whole human race and has been fr the past several thousand years. I am not particularly religious-you might call me lapsed or backslid--but I have seen a disturbing trend in the militant atheists trying to portray all religious people as stupid & irellevant.
@mrfarmerjimbob I just wanted to thank you for your comment---I do know that Atheists are suggesting that not only Churches are full of stupidity, but they say Native American Indians & Nsights & Natal Astrology believers are also stupid. I am so sorry that this is going on. Being Native American & a Yeshua believer...I can only say let the Creator be with us all in our life Journey. Let us respect one another & love one another in Yesua's name. God Bless You for sharing.
@mrfarmerjimbob I was confused by this for a long time. After looking into it, I realized that they're largely driven by either a hatred against society, a hatred of god, a hatred of an important figure (or figures) from their childhood (who were somehow tied into religion, etc.).
In any case, they often try to use logic and reason as the basis of their arguments, but speaking as someone who is more confused by emotion than logic, I can tell you that they're almost exclusively irrational.
@mrfarmerjimbob You're exactly right. Religion is the biggest scam ever pulled on man. A wizard living in the sky, being able to control EVERYTHING but letting countless evil things happen on a daily basis, yet with a following reaching billions across our blue planet? I don't know if I should laugh or cry at that.
Hi there. You ask very good questions. I wish we were talking face to face or that we were neighbors and you would be able to test my character. In my view, we are connected to the earth. We live in a world that is much more supernatural going on. We do have free will, we all are all broken, we all have done and do harmful things to one another everyday. This folly, rebellion and pain can be and is transmitted to the earth. My scripture reference for that would be (Lev. 20:22 NKJ)
@cheric50@cheric50 Yes! There is more supernatural going on. I agree with you. Principalities in the Bible: Ephesians 6:12 , 2 Chronicles 5:8 -The cherubim spread their wings, Mary Magdalene was a follower of Christ from whom he had driven seven demons, Demons in the Bible: James 2:19 , Ephesians 6:10-21, evil spirits Luke 7:21,
Romans 1:18-20 tell us that everyone knows God. Proverbs 30:4 reveals that even the stupid know Him and His Son. Hell is not God's punishment on your life for not knowing Him, it is the result of a life and after-life of us rejecting Him and His Son. He does not send us there, we willingly go there while still alive by denying His covering and His love for us. Hell is simply the destination of our conscious decision to avoid Him. The focus shouldn't however be what will happen if you don't kno
Why can't we have church like this anymore??? Jesus is real....you cannot see air but it is there.. Carebear3,I hope you pray before it is to late because He is coming back!!!Praise GOD!!!!!
It is better if you believe in Jesus Christ before he comes back. Jesus loves you. He dies for you. He has a place for you in his father’s house. God bless you
@sewit100 Why should I? Firstly, if God is real, then he is a malevolent deity that I have no interest in putting an ounce of trust or love in. Secondly, God can't expect a somewhat intelligent being like myself to believe in him without the slightest decent proof whatsoever. How did Jesus die for me? Original sin with Adam and Eve? How could God expect them to know that it was wrong to defy him, when they did not have that knowledge before eating the apple? Religion is a hoax.
I love this!!!!!! We need more preaching like this ! And as for AsifIcarebear3 ...you cannot see oxygen but it's there. He has blessed me over and over and you should try talking to Him sometime. God bless ya'll!
@supercalafragrag But you can measure oxygen or scientifically proove it's there. Do that to God, and I'll become a religious (not a christian) on the spot. That's a promise.
Steve has ran out of jokes..At 2:50watch Mr. Harvey try to cry...LOL...now it's time to pimp da So Call Christan people..why not most of the (True) Prophet,Prophetess,Pastor etc... r playing the people in the name of JESUS....
WITH OUT "GOD" YOU DONT HAVE ANYTHING-YOU ARE JUST EMPTY INSIDE. HE HAS DONE SO MUCH FOR ME AND EVERYBODY ELSE. WHEN HE COMES AGAIN, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO, YOU CANT RUN, YOU CANT HIDE, SO YOU MIGHT WANNA GET ON HIS TEAM. SIGNED MARCEDRIN PLEASANT, BATON ROUGE,LOUISIANA
It is an interesting question: Most people who don't believe in Jesus/God, believe humans evolved from apes or a big bang millions of years ago. .... Prove those ... uh facts!
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How can people actually believe in Jesus/God? How can they not see it is simply just something someone made up to explain the once inexplicable? Like Thor's wagon shooting bolts of lightning, or the sea's changing nature by Poseidon's mood. This is what God is and what God will be. I just don't get it.
@AsifIcarebear3 How can people actually believe that everything came from nothing/no one? How can they be so sure of themselves as to think that they can explain the origins of all things? Like those scientists who once believed the earth was flat, and that monsters dwelt at the edges of the world, perhaps they aren't seeing the bigger picture. I just don't get it, either.
@thetolkienlover How can religious people be so sure of themselves? That they found the EXACT truth behind every single thing? Atleast scientists are ready to reevaluate their opinions based on fact. Besides, the presence of a God is illogical. I have yet to hear a decent argument to Teodicy - the problem of evil.
Oh, and to be affiliated to any kind of religion also seems illogical to me. How can you know you're the one who found the "true" religion?
@Follower172 How is God illogical you ask? Exactly because of the problem of evil. Epicurus asked the questions: "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" And that is why God is illogical. Atleast the christian God. Try all you want to dispute these arguments.
@AsifIcarebear3 Why does he need to prevent it. Maybe he ordained it, has a plan and will punish evil. God isn't willing to prevent evil, because it is here, but he will punish it. If there isn't a god, evil isn't evil. It is just things you don't like. Try all I want to dispute them, the premises are wrong. Why would we presume that God would have to be the way we want him to be, and if he isn't, he is illogical? The bible never said he is willing.
@AsifIcarebear3 The Bible never grants two of those premises. God is never assumed in the Bible to be willing and unable, nor unwilling and able. He can have a plan that includes evil, and with evil a punishment for it. You (and epicurus) are presupposing a world without God, and when you try to fit him into an atheist worldview it is illogical. There is no problem here for the Christian
@Follower172 So God has a plan with evil you say? That's a really weak argument. What was the purpose of the extermination of Jews in WW2? Or the countless wars? Or the psychopaths who rape and kill little children? Do you just look at that evil and say: God must have a plan with that evil, so it's okay.
You say God is unwilling to destroy evil? Then how can you call him God, when he does evil and cruel things? Your God must be very, very malevolent. How can you love someone so evil?
@AsifIcarebear3 So evil that is based on fate is better? You are using my worldview to fight my worldview? That is odd. You have no basis for calling any of that evil. You have a problem because God doesn't act the way you want him to act, therefore, you argue, he can't exist, or he is malevolent. Yes, if your worldview is correct (atheist) then God cannot fit in, or he would be evil himself. It is funny that you are borrowing from my worldview to attack it
@Follower172 So now you're saying those things aren't even evil now? What is evil to you then? To any logical human being those things which I mentioned are evil. Is it not evil that Hitler exterminated 6 million Jews?
Of course I use your worldview to make it clear how silly it is. I use the basic mathematic method of testing a theory. If X is correct, then Y is correct meaning Z makes sense. This is what I am doing, and that is not odd.
You also failed to answer any of my former questions.
@AsifIcarebear3 No, I am saying that unless you grant God, you have no "logical"reason to call anything evil or good. Just things you like and dislike. I say they are evil, you are borrowing from my to make your worldview not fall apart. You are inconsistent. Your questions about what Gods plan in something is are impossible to answer, you are assuming I know his mind. God doesn't have to do what you want him to do to be God.
@AsifIcarebear3 MAthematics doesn't work here! The end is when evil is punished and good rewarded. God had a plan to redeem before the creation, because he knew we would fall into sin. WE choose sin, not him. So, people who remain in sin go to hell, those who are in Christ go to heaven. Read the Bible before telling me or another christian what it says. And stop using evil and good, because your worldview doesn't allow for them.
@Follower172 I am simply applying mathematic methods in order to understand what you believe. Your beliefs are illogical, which I have prooved. It is, obviously, impossible to disproove God, but what you believe makes no sense. Man might very well choose to sin, but God created the ability to sin. Therefore, God is responsible for evil, and I should not have to go to hell because God chose to allow evil to exist.
@AsifIcarebear3 You didn't show the logical fallacy in my beliefs. What did I say that makes no sense? God created us "Very good." We sinned. ability to sin isn't something that is created or not. You should go to hell because you choose sin and you choose hell. God is simply giving you what you want.
@Follower172 It's hard to pinpoint your stupidity in believing God, as there are millions of God-views (this alone should make you suspect something is wrong). You say god created us good, and that we "choose" to be evil. But why did God create evil in the first place? To test us? I want to know what you believe, because you are wrong and I want you to know it.
@AsifIcarebear3 again with the wrong presupposition. God created us good. We (that is, US,) We sinned. Evil isn't something that is created. It is something that is done. You don't even have a rational basis for calling anything evil. I do. I could just as easily say that there are millions of "non-god" views, so that should tell you that something is wrong with you too...you are using appeal to masses, when you can't even substantiate what you are saying
@AsifIcarebear3 To put it further. If we choose sin, that means we bring evil into the world. Not God. Us. We are the problem. You and me and your sister. Humans are responsible for sin. not God. The problem here is you don't like that there is a God and you are accountable to him. That means you are guilty. If you hold to "no god' then at least in your own mind you aren't accountable. but you borrow from the "god" worldview to live. be consistent at least
@Follower172 God has still created the evil. Therefore you say life is a test - do you choose evil or not. That life is a test is very, very silly. I will explain further if you do not believe me.
I do not borrow anything from the God-worldview, I just try to explain what I believe and attempt to understand what you believe - which I already stated. Believe me, I am consistent in my worldview.
@AsifIcarebear3 NO. I will not grant you that God created evil. Life is NOT a test. Stop trying to get me to grant that. the Bible doesn't grant that, niether do I. You are wrong. Yes, you do borrow from my worldview. Everytime you say it is wrong to do something, or that you "love" someone, or that something shouldn't be done, you are not being consistent with atheism.
@Follower172 You're now saying I cannot think something is evil or good without your world view as a religious person. That is extremely silly. My love to people is what it is, regardless of your imaginary friend. Atheism does not discard emotions, only the notion of an all powerful being who created us, and has (had) anything to say/do in the world.
So God did not create evil? Your God is not omnipotent.
@AsifIcarebear3 I am saying you have no rational basis for love, good, or evil...wickedness, righteousness...justice. There is none of that if there is no God or absolute moral standard. All you can say is "I don't like this, or I don't like that." God didn't create evil. How does that make him not omnipotent? God cannot sin, does that mean he is not all powerfull? Sin is against his nature. He would not be God if he sinned
@Follower172 Love is chemical reactions in my brain. "Good" and "evil" are things I have to know about in order to live in a large society. It is evil to steal and kill, because if I do not think so society will fall appart. All the things you said can be based in rationality.
If God did not create evil, he did not create all things. Besides, why would he allow evil to exist? What is the point of evil? A test? Or does evil have to exist - in your opinion - for us to know good?
@Follower172 If you say evil has to exist in order for us to know good, you're ein single minded. It's like living in a 2D world. If this world was 2D, we would not be able to grasp living in a 3D world. That's the same with good and evil, evil being the 3rd dimension.
@AsifIcarebear3 I said you have no rational basis for saying anything is evil or good. I do. I didn't say what your reply says. I am glad that I am single minded. Christians should be single/narrow minded. That doesn't mean I am wrong. BTW your last comment is far different from the others, you are starting to reduce to absurdity.
@Follower172 I do have rational basis for saying something is good or evil. Is it evil for a person to rape another person or steal or commit crime? Yes, of course. Why? Because God doesn't want you to, or because a society cannot prosper if we do not coexist peacefully. I would argue that the ladder is most logical.I know my analogy was mildly odd, but I think it illustrates my point quite nicely. And I agree completely that you have to be single minded to be Christian :)
@AsifIcarebear3 I all ready said, I don't pretend to know "the purpose of evil" as if there is one purpose for every evil thing that has ever happend. There could be multiple purposes. But here is one example of a possibility. Bear in mind the Bible just says God does have a will and purpose for everything it doesn't say what it is. ...
@AsifIcarebear3 The purpose of Pharoh in the Bible, in the exodus, according to the Bible, "But, indeed, for this reason I have allowed you to remain, in order to show you My power and in order to proclaim My name through all the earth." Pharoh was evil, I don't think anyone doubts that. And God used him for the reason stated above. That doesn't mean you have to like it, bu tthere is one purpose
@Follower172 Ah, the good old "God works in mysterious ways" argument. Yeah, that's always nice to have when you run out of arguments. I guess there was a purpose with the jew extermination in WW2, just like there is a purpose with people raping little children or people killing other people for their own amusement. You would argue that all these things has a purpose, and that God intended for them to happen? Your God seems less and less appealing to be frank.
@AsifIcarebear3 That wasn't my argument. And you cannot show how there could be no purpose in any of these acts either. Don't try shifting the burden of proof. I didn't run to anything. I never claimed to know what any purpose would be. But rather than just "running" to the argument of "what is the purpose behind bad things," why not also ask what the purpose is behind good things?
@AsifIcarebear3 Also, you aren't dealing with the topic. You are deverting. No one could know his purposes if God exists, they would by definition be beyond us if he is working in eternity. I don't need to know his purpose. You still have no rational basis for thinking the holocaus was wrong, I do. You don't have a rational basis for thinking rape of anyone is "wrong," I do. What is your rational basis for thinking anything is evil or wrong?
@Follower172 The burden of proof is actually on your side. Since it's impossible to proove something does not exist (this is basic fact) it is the religious people's responsibility to proove the existence of God. I don't expect you to even try this, because that would be absurd. This wasn't what I wanted to talk about though, it was only a reply to your "shifting the burden of proof". Moving on: I have already stated my rational basis for thinking something is wrong or right. What is your ...
@Follower172 point anyway? Are you actually taking credit as a religious person for the knowledge of right and wrong? What about the people in the world who have never ever even heard of your God, and still has a basic set of rules very similar to your ten commandments? Killing, stealing, lying are all things that are bad for a society, and are frowned upon. I suggest you message me with your response, because the lack of space in this comment section is starting to bug me.
@Follower172 Oh, and concerning the purpose of WW2: I find it an atrocity that you can just look at that and say "God must have a purpose with that". That's such a weak argument.
Your argument was in fact the very definition of "God works in mysterious ways" by the way.
@AsifIcarebear3 You are not understanding Scripture. That is why you keep saying God created evil. The only possible leg you have to stand on is when Isaiah said about God the he creates "peace and calamity (evil)" meaning peacefulness and tragedy. but you still need my worldview to define those things. Nothing is tragic if we weren't created and are just the product of evolution. who cares who does what then
@Follower172 God created everything. Every single thing. That must include evil, otherwise he is not omnipotent. I call that a tad more than a "leg to stand on". I would also like to ask you what religion you believe in, and if you believe in the book most likely attached to it (Bible, Qur'an, Tanakh or otherwise)
@cheric50 Epicurus. Please look him up. When you've done so, and probably said "there must be evil in order to be good", then ask yourself why on earth there has to be SO much evil. If there was only a tiny bit, so we knew what the "other" side was, then that argument would have atleast a little weight.
If on the other hand you're going to say "God gave us free will", then ask yourself why there are earthquakes and volcanos - something completely separated from humans - killing so many people.
@AsifIcarebear3 i totally had those same questions. esp considering the parallel to pagan myths. however, the historicity - in my view - provides substantial reasons for me to believe. the letters of paul. the testimonies and historical executions of his disciples. josephus. tacticus. pliny the younger. plus the Jewish Scriptures expected Him (esp look at seder) outside my own experience and philosophical inquiry, these are reasons for me to believe. cs lewis and tim keller helped me
@AsifIcarebear3@AsifIcarebear3 i totally had those same questions. esp considering the parallel to pagan myths. however, the historicity - in my view - provides substantial reasons for me to believe. the letters of paul. the testimonies and historical executions of his disciples. josephus. tacticus. pliny the younger. plus the Jewish Scriptures expected Him (esp look at seder) outside my own experience, these are reasons for me to believe. cs lewis and tim keller helped me
@AsifIcarebear3@AsifIcarebear3 i totally had those same questions. esp considering the parallel to pagan myths. however, the historicity - in my view - provides substantial reasons for me to believe. the letters of paul. the testimonies and historical executions of his disciples. josephus. tacticus. pliny the younger. plus the Jewish Scriptures expected Him (esp look at seder) outside my own experience and study, these are reasons for me to believe. cs lewis and tim keller helped me
@reduxinflux I find a severe lack of any historical evidence that proves anything whatsoever. The only thing left unanswered in the world which the believers have going for them is the question of Big Bang, and what existed prior to that. But that only means we don't know yet, just like we had no idea that earth was not the center of the universe a long time ago.
What might those "substantial reasons" be by the way :)?
@AsifIcarebear3 i totally had those same questions. esp considering the parallel to pagan myths. however, the historicity - in my view - provides substantial reasons for me to believe. the letters of paul. the testimonies and historical executions of his disciples. josephus. tacticus. pliny the younger. plus the Jewish Scriptures expected Him (esp look at seder) outside my own experience and study, these are reasons for me to believe. cs lewis and tim keller helped me
@luvs2act The burden of truth does not lie on my shoulders. It is impossible to disprove something does not exist. Example: I believe there is a floating teapot, which interacts with the real world in no way whatsoever, and cannot be percieved in any away besides on the spiritual level. Prove to me that does not exist. You can't. It is the believer's responsibility to prove the existence of God. I can only "disprove" him on a logical basis, such as the problem of evil.
@AsifIcarebear3 It is true that God himself is not measureable, observable or quantifiable. What you can do, however, is measure, observe and quantify the universe he created. One example to consider is DNA. Or take a look at the carefully balanced laws of physics. Or consider the second law of thermodynamics. I could go on but I think it would be pointless. I'd be happy to discuss the subject with you further if you like. Just send me a note.
@eternalwolf777 You're talking about intelligent design I take it? We could argue about this for the rest of our lives. We will never ever agree. So I will just say: I do not believe in a God because it is 100% impossible to proove the existence of a God. You cannot falsify the concept of God. This does not make it right. Religious people base their entire life on something they have no proof of whatsoever.
To me, it's like believing in elves. Believe or don't, I don't care anymore.
@apostolicaspie "Ahem": So because I, who hasn't gone through years and years of medical school, cannot explain or atleast give a reasonable theory to explain your example, it must automatically be God's fault. Right. Think a few hundred years back. Explain lightning to a person back then. That wasn't science, that was Thor riding his wagon across the sky. It's the exact same thing you're trying to do right now.
@AsifIcarebear3 Well if you can't prove it isn't God right now, why bother trying to get me to doubt? If I could prove the Wind (the Hebrew term for Spirit) is capable of doing all the Bible says God did, would you believe in my God?
@apostolicaspie Why bother? Because just as some people once told people it wasn't Thor's wagon spewing bolts of lightning, I am trying to make you realise the truth. That is why. I am not quite sure I understand your Wind-example, please specify.
Concerning your proof: I actually disagree that your emotions concerning God cannot be proven. Brain scans of religious people during a religious experience has shown activity in certain parts. This leads me to believe "God" is merely your brain (...)
@apostolicaspie I'd rather live my life in truth and knowing that I should live it to the fullest, because this is it, than live a few more years in blindness.
@AsifIcarebear3 Hmm, I could'n't'a believed you any time in my life. When I was too young to know, I was generally old enough to say, "prove it." I was looking for proof of God, and I sure enough found it. It's an emotional proof, and there is no current method as far as I know to scientifically validify my findings, but I know enough about my own emotions to know He's real. Real enough to believe in for me.
@AsifIcarebear3 Yeah, and sometimes people have to work hard to get the simplest of emotions, and it's a LOT harder than just working to empathise with a pastor or musical types. You need to be a specific type of person in specific kinds of circumstances to get some kinds of religious emotions. They aren't just spontaneous. So they're different from regular emotions; completely different, really. They don't even measure on the normal emotional scale!
@apostolicaspie Of course you have to be gullible enough to believe in a God in order to experience religious emotions, that goes without saying, but apart from that I believe any person is capable of having them. Some stronger than others, of course. However, I don't see the point of this. Love isn't, sadness isn't and every other emotion is not spontaneous.
What "emotional scale" if I might ask? Not that it matters, it's an emotion stemming from chemicals released in your brain.
@AsifIcarebear3 Here is the intellectual inconsistency in your argument... You claim that you know "Truth" and all "Christians" are walking through life blindly, well thats all well and good for you but in actuality not a statement of "Truth" and here is why I the same statement of your belief that God is not real you establish something that cannot be attained but is purely a Philosophical construct...Enlightenment, a belief that you have attained a perfect understanding of "Truth"....
@jtxstar That... sentence was very hard to understand at all.
I'll try and answer as best I can, since it's hard to know what you're saying. I say I've found "truth", because your God is not logical. E.g. Epicurus and his argument. If God does in fact exist, he is very evil minded entity, and I have no wish to worship him. I see no reason why God should exist, whatsoever, therefore I have the truth on my side.
@alixproductionstudio Lightning, the sun, the stars, the stars, the ocean, diseases and countless other things. How can you explain that without science? You slap a "God" tag on them and call it a day. Today we know better. God was invented to explain things we did not understand.
@AsifIcarebear3 So why does that make God officially nonexistent? Christianity states that God created the world. And if He did, as God, He would have made it "scientifically" correct and in perfect order. So even though we could not explain it then and can now is not a logical argument as to the existence or nonexistence of God. It just means that humans are pretty stupid. We can't say that God doesn't exist simply because we as humans were once morons who didn't know anything...
@alixproductionstudio People invented this God to explain all the things that was happening long ago. How christian are you? It's hard to know with you people. If you believe in the bible 100%, then you're a retard. If you're more moderate, then I don't understand how you can call yourself a christian, but I just need to know how hard-core you are. Otherwise this discussion will be difficult.
@AsifIcarebear3 I don't think how Christian I am makes any difference really, although I agree with you about a moderate Christian not being a Christian. Please be specific about what it is that Christians try to use God to explain. You cannot generalize in an argument like this. Also, abusive persuasion (which is the technical term for your phrase "if you believe in the bible 100%, then you're a retard," is not getting us anywhere. Please try to have an actual conversation with me...
@alixproductionstudio I have already been specific on what people once used God to explain. Today, most religious people accept that it is in fact not a God throwing bolts of lightning, rather than friction between particles in the sky, and Christians have had to accept that the word of God in the Bible is false and the knowledge presented in it was limited to the people of its age. The earth is not flat. It deals with rules of slavery and rape as if they fill the life of the common human being.
@AsifIcarebear3 First of all I would like to differentiate between what you seem to think is our God and greek mythology of the Iliad and the Odyssey. Zeus is not anything like the God that I serve. Zeus was definitely a creation of the human mind. Why? Because he operates within human limitations. He is basically a man with superhuman powers. The God that I love doesn't even live in this dimension. He doesn't even live in time. He does not fit into the dichotomy that humans are always making...
@alixproductionstudio I was talking about the origin of God. People looked at nature and created God to explain, as I've stated before. I know Zeus and the Christian God aren't the same, but they're a deity. Some kind of entity with awesome powers. Your God is no different - healing a few sick people every now and then, feeding a couple of men with only tiny amounts of food. That is what your God did when he walked the earth. I'd rather worship some cool God, like Poseidon. Maybe that's just me
@AsifIcarebear3 Also, I do not accept that any portion of the Bible is false. I believe that portions are exegetical and others contemporary.
Obviously the lightning is not God, but that does not mean that He didn't create it. Just because Greeks created beings because they did not have a logical reason for a phenomena does not mean that there could not be another being so much more powerful than they were even aware.
@alixproductionstudio To my knowledge the bible says the world is 6000 years old and flat. That's false.
That the bible is exegetical is awfully convenient when something that doesn't make sense comes around. You can just say: "oh, well that's because it doesn't mean it literally!"
I invite you to write me a message instead of spamming this video's comment section. I hate breaking my messages up into little pieces or maybe even missing something you say. Answer me via message, please.
@AsifIcarebear3 Knowledge revealed in the Bible was beyond what people knew back then. For ex., in the book of Job it says the earth is round (or spherical). That was around 2000BC, time when most of the people thought the earth was flat. "Christians have had to accept that the word of God in the Bible is false" - this is just a nonsense. Also remember that the Bible isn't a science book, but it has a goal to reveal God and His plan to save human race.
@vladie82 The Bible seems to contradict itself there. The belief that the earth is flat was held by the christians, and anyone daring to refute that would be killed. If memory serves.
What is God's major plan to save the human race? It seems to me we're going to hell with all this famine, war, disease and evil in the world. Why not reveal some great solution to all of this? He's all-powerful, is he not?
@AsifIcarebear3 the belief that earth was flat is older than Jesus Himself.. people believed that before He was even born. And this world has such a wrong idea of God, that because we think he is all powerful and all knowing and all loving.. he can just save everyone from this famine and evil. You forget, the world is in this state not because of him but because of US, WE disobeyed his command to not to eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge. Knowledge is power, Power is dangerous.
@yllscin But the christians held to the belief that the earth was flat. Why? If the bible says that it is round, why believe otherwise? Why not give us something real in the bible, something which can be tested or understood many years later that would testify to the origin of the bible being god? e=m*c^2 comes to mind. By just writing that in the bible God would have made a much more valid argument. Instead we get stuff like "Men has to have long hair" and other useless info.
@AsifIcarebear3 Christianity was lost during the middle ages.. the true meaning of Christianity it was only reintroduced again by Martin Luther.. who fought for it... up till then... the Roman Catholic Church had taken over Christianity.. and everything they said or did was truth for the poor and the peasants who could not read and write.. thus could not read the bible themselves... many things got messed up during this time..
@yllscin Why did the church even become "messed up"? If it was guided by the true God, the divine and all powerful father of existence, then the matter of leading the Church should be a simple one.
@AsifIcarebear3 The Crusades even.. the wars when the Church fought with the philistines and the arabs to take back the Holy Land.. and killed many innocent ppl... it still keeps fear in ppl's minds especially the muslims and the philistines.. that Christianity is religion of terror and punishment... ppl have got the wrong idea of Christianity... read the bible especially the new testament you will know what true Christianity is..
@yllscin Religion is horrible, and the Crusades is testament of that. Worship your God, but do not shout it out or try to convert people, as that has often resulted in bloodshed.
@AsifIcarebear3 GOd is all powerful all knowing all loving.. but He is also a JUST God.. when we break His law his command and disobey him.. we will HAVE to pay for it in this life.. but if you believe that Christ died for you and paid the ultimate price of disobeying (death).. then you will have to suffer in this life, but he promises a place in heaven with him and an inheritance with Christ himself, everything that God the father has placed under his feet will you yours 2
@yllscin So God is punishing the millions and million of people that have never even heard of him? How much evil has a little child in Africa really done? It was born the wrong place, and therefore has to starve. All the while some people in the more civilized world can do horrific things without suffering the tiniest bit for it. Why? That does not seem "just" to me.
@AsifIcarebear3 God doesnt want anyone to suffer... dont blame all this on God.. just because He sits there and does noting.. you are not all knowing or all powerful or all loving.. how can you say that God is not doing anything.. in the Bible God clearly states.. "My ways are greater than yours.. and my thoughts greater than yours." YOU in your wildest dreams can NEVER imagine what God has instored for those who love him.. and those he loves.. he doesnt want anyone to suffer.
@yllscin He doesn't want anyone to suffer? Why punish innocent people then? Why let people kill small children that are the most pure humans on this earth? Your God is malevolent. Disease, killing, famine and evil are all testiment of that. Do not dare to say that "God's ways are mysterious". There's no meaning behind the ruthless slaughtering that's going on in the world.
@AsifIcarebear3 One more thing I would like to add.. God lets you suffer and brings tribulation on people so that they would realize to turn around and come to HIM... suffering brings us more closer to Him.. it causes to ask theses exact questions you are asking me... it makes us wonder.. if there is God why would he let this happen.. instead of pointing fingers at him... why not just ask him? after all he is supposed to know everything.. shudn't he have the best answer?
@yllscin Then ask your God and tell me the answer, because I will never be able to accept something so vile and evil into my heart. You go ask your God why he allows all that I have just said. I would love to hear the answer.
How can your bring a small child, starving on the streats, closer to a God he does not even know of? Your arguments do not make sense, so stop trying to sound like you know what you're talking about.
@AsifIcarebear3 and also there are many times things are left unanswered... that doesnt mean God does not exist or is not interested in our lives.. that only means... that we as finite beings would never understand even if God attempts to explain.. its just not in our capacity to... we are human where as he is supposed to be SuperNatural.. 1 corinthains chap 13.. last few verses.. read them... we are still incomplete.. but when we are not.. we will see and understand clearly..
@yllscin Well that's sort of convinient: "You can't fathom God, he's above you". An explanation as to why he only did measly magic tricks when he walked this earth wouldn't be that out of place.
And if your God is so all-powerful, shouldn't he be able to explain all these things so that we as simple human beings would understand them? Geniuses can simplify very complicated matters. Apparantly, your God is not only evil incarnate, he is also stupid.
@supercalafragrag Did you really just conclude that God must be real because I'm interested in how people can believe in one such thing :P? Yeah, okay. Hop along, little bunny.
He's coming? When did religion become a porno?
TheVileAtheist 7 months ago
Someone once told me that, "The TRUTH is still the TRUTH even if it comes out of the mouth of a DOG!" Understand, I am NOT calling Steve Harvey a dog, but what he said was the TRUTH and if you don't like what he said, simply DON'T LISTEN! He made a FABULOUS INTRODUCTION for the LORD, SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST the soon coming KING of KINGS, RULER of this world and mankind. Great job Steve. Keep up the good work!!!
pdbarrow1 7 months ago
The video seemed to cut off at the end, I was curious if God did indeed make an appearance.
m0nkey13 7 months ago
@m0nkey13 you are so stupid!
onierho 7 months ago
@onierho Oh, that's right he's invisible. My mistake.
m0nkey13 7 months ago
OH! HOW I LOOOOVE JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH! I DONT CARE WHAT PEOPLE THINK, AS FOR ME THAT WAS AN AWESOME INTRO 4 KING OF KINGS JESUS OF NAZARETH. MY LORD IS THE BEST!!
Annenyamitta 8 months ago
@Annenyamitta he's coming soon!
jonathanmoreno1000 8 months ago
Where was this filmed. It says a secular audience, but I don't think this was a secular event. Given that this was a normal audience and assuming a uniform distribution of people, the audience would have been ~85% Christians. Given that many African Americans like African American comedians, and that African Americans tend to be more religious we can assume even higher. The audience were probably fans of his and thus fans of his views. Secular audience? I call B.S.
trekgeek1 8 months ago
Thurnis Haley
GOLF WANG
imnotaslacker 9 months ago
You say Jesus The Christ isn't real how's come? Darwin seemed to believe! What do you believe? Is there hell? Is it a real place? I believe it is a real place! So if there is hell why isn't there a heaven? Look around someone had to create this place called earth. There is more fact than fiction by those who studied the word and tried to prove it wrong. I dare you to prove it wrong! I fade you to prove Jesus wrong? Let me know how it turns out for you o.k. God loves you even if you don't believ
joefire41 9 months ago
@frankiejrgiovinetti YOU ARE RIGHT by the Righteousness of God through the Holy Spirit via his Holy Words, through Yahushua (Jesus), our Savior! God gave and what do we give in return?
firedawn2u 9 months ago
AWESOME!!!!!! only haters leave negative commentsbut FEAR NOT, HE HAS OVERCOME! don't let the negative comments rouse you...sadly there day will comeit's called SALVATION & it's tough yes but it's also FREEIF you don't believe it just ask Him 2 reveal Himself with & honest heart & He wil!FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WHOLE WORLD, THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON THAT "WHO-SO-EVER" BELIEVES IN HIM SHALL NOT PARISH BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE!!
JOHN 3:16
frankiejrgiovinetti 9 months ago
Gives me chills every time!!
hotsauce75o 9 months ago
This is no less than a prayer. A true believer begging for his delusion to become real, and being verified and accepted by the masses in his audience. Jesus... Christ.
kehanocy 10 months ago
Oh geez... that was actually scary. At first, ok. Then it went from funny and clever to.. is he for real? I mean, really, for real? It was too much. The more he lists the supposed credits, the more it is obvious he is introducing a fictional, mythical character. Then the lights go out, they flash, as if Jesus himself will walk on stage. And the crowd does go wild, clapping cheering as if they actually expect, through the power of this speech, Christ himself to suddenly appear.
kehanocy 10 months ago
Say the name, JESUS!
nogerdsurg 10 months ago
I honestly cananot get over this Introduction..been watching it everyday since last year January,,and still amazes me!!!!!!!!
spungi100 10 months ago
Hypocrite, look at how you cheated on your ex wife and turned her son against her. I use to think the world of S. Harvery, not anymore.
thequeenofhartz 11 months ago
@thequeenofhartz Judge not, lest ye be judged. All sins are equal in God's eyes. None are perfect, all fall short in the Glory of God.
Matt 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
croweandcsi 10 months ago
Awesome! I'm not that familiar with Steve Harvey, but he nailed this one. Brought tears to my eyes by the end. Truth is not meant to be funny, but enlightening, and Mr. Harvey sure glared the light. I hope he lives this Truth in his act when doing his normal routine. Kudos, Mr. Harvey.
homeschoolmom42 11 months ago
Your sovereign not mine. Figuring that it was Steve harvey one can assume its going to be funny.
kenshin304 11 months ago
@kenshin304 it is not meant to be funny. it is not meant to entertain you. you will find God lame if you do not know Him, if you do not belong to Him. He remains God with or without you (or any one else, including me). I don't even have to defend Him. He stands alone. He is sovereign but He offers His grace to you, to us all. May you find it one day.
MrWatcher101 11 months ago
great speech!
bluejayguy26able 1 year ago
Without Jesus nothing can change a life----forever !!!
Demama777 1 year ago
@Demama777 Not true! many things have changed my life forever that did not include jesus.
sideshow557 9 months ago
This is an epic video.
makes me miss Jamaican Church where im from!
awesome awesome awesome
BiggE1331 1 year ago
That was more like, let me use God to get more popular, so i can get more people to watch my video! God would need no introduction! It would be the other way around!
onekick 1 year ago
I loved that...wow!
Loubell2 1 year ago
@firedawn2u im a non beliver. thiuggt vid wouldvhave some humorr r
kenshin304 1 year ago
@kenshin304 What supposed to be funny. God is an awesome God!
firedawn2u 1 year ago 2
I pray it changed his life
ThePillarofFire 1 year ago
And this is why I prefer black preachers over white preachers. white preachers say it like they want to get it over with in a hushed tone. Black preacher will chase you down and yell it in your ear
143rdShadowARCunit 1 year ago
Omg.... i got chills like crazy when i saw this....
LittleMissStarlight9 1 year ago
Steve showed out on this one. Awesome, Awesome, Awesome
shiela318 1 year ago
Most all of the worlds law / rules to live by.. is based on the ten commandments... So I guess one could argue if there is no God.. the ten commandments are also a hoax.. trick.. lie.
If that assumption is true.. then in the absence of God and his ten laws.. it must be assumed to be alright to lie, cheat and steal. And.. if we all practice in that vain.. What "hope" do you or we have for ever trusting our neighbor.. much less ourself?? Do you really think mans laws work?
gracetime 1 year ago
@gracetime i find your statement to be false because i do not believe in god and i know for a fact that i am moraly superior then he is. unlike your god, i do not condone slaughter, genocide, human sacrifices and slavery. and btw if you actually read the bible you'd know there are more then the 10 comandments, there are actually 613 of them. but you probably pick and choose which ones to whorship like the bigot Christian you are.
rothpwns 1 year ago
If God ( including Mohammed, Buddha, Jehovah or whatever name you have for your particular Supreme Being) does not/never did exist or as some say, is dead, then religion of whatever variety is the biggest con -trick ever perpetrated on the whole human race and has been fr the past several thousand years. I am not particularly religious-you might call me lapsed or backslid--but I have seen a disturbing trend in the militant atheists trying to portray all religious people as stupid & irellevant.
mrfarmerjimbob 1 year ago 2
@mrfarmerjimbob I just wanted to thank you for your comment---I do know that Atheists are suggesting that not only Churches are full of stupidity, but they say Native American Indians & Nsights & Natal Astrology believers are also stupid. I am so sorry that this is going on. Being Native American & a Yeshua believer...I can only say let the Creator be with us all in our life Journey. Let us respect one another & love one another in Yesua's name. God Bless You for sharing.
firedawn2u 1 year ago 2
@firedawn2u
Amen, and may the best God win!
blardosplats 1 year ago
@mrfarmerjimbob
gracetime 1 year ago
@mrfarmerjimbob I was confused by this for a long time. After looking into it, I realized that they're largely driven by either a hatred against society, a hatred of god, a hatred of an important figure (or figures) from their childhood (who were somehow tied into religion, etc.).
In any case, they often try to use logic and reason as the basis of their arguments, but speaking as someone who is more confused by emotion than logic, I can tell you that they're almost exclusively irrational.
Xanofar 1 year ago
@mrfarmerjimbob You're exactly right. Religion is the biggest scam ever pulled on man. A wizard living in the sky, being able to control EVERYTHING but letting countless evil things happen on a daily basis, yet with a following reaching billions across our blue planet? I don't know if I should laugh or cry at that.
AsifIcarebear3 11 months ago
Hi there. You ask very good questions. I wish we were talking face to face or that we were neighbors and you would be able to test my character. In my view, we are connected to the earth. We live in a world that is much more supernatural going on. We do have free will, we all are all broken, we all have done and do harmful things to one another everyday. This folly, rebellion and pain can be and is transmitted to the earth. My scripture reference for that would be (Lev. 20:22 NKJ)
cheric50 1 year ago
@cheric50 @cheric50 Yes! There is more supernatural going on. I agree with you. Principalities in the Bible: Ephesians 6:12 , 2 Chronicles 5:8 -The cherubim spread their wings, Mary Magdalene was a follower of Christ from whom he had driven seven demons, Demons in the Bible: James 2:19 , Ephesians 6:10-21, evil spirits Luke 7:21,
firedawn2u 1 year ago
Come Lord Jesus! Come!! Amen!!!
painterinoil 1 year ago
Wow
hugochinchilla 1 year ago
GAME OVER!!! Love it..Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess - THE SECOND COMING OF JESUS CHRIST IS NEAR!! Amen.
RaManiapoto 1 year ago
hahaha loves dissss
tt19970 1 year ago
Nice idea but poorly executed. As indeed he should be.
HitMeQuick 1 year ago
LOVE LOVE LOVE!!! JUST FABULOUS!!!
AnOmbreRose 1 year ago
Romans 1:18-20 tell us that everyone knows God. Proverbs 30:4 reveals that even the stupid know Him and His Son. Hell is not God's punishment on your life for not knowing Him, it is the result of a life and after-life of us rejecting Him and His Son. He does not send us there, we willingly go there while still alive by denying His covering and His love for us. Hell is simply the destination of our conscious decision to avoid Him. The focus shouldn't however be what will happen if you don't kno
Genesis8010 1 year ago
i luv how steve went into worship at the end
1995DLB 1 year ago
SO COOL
janeym 1 year ago
Why can't we have church like this anymore??? Jesus is real....you cannot see air but it is there.. Carebear3,I hope you pray before it is to late because He is coming back!!!Praise GOD!!!!!
supercalafragrag 1 year ago 3
@supercalafragrag He isn't coming back, because he was never here and he will never come back, because you're living in a fantasy world.
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 He is coming back. Jesus (Yeshua) is real.
firedawn2u 1 year ago
@firedawn2u When is that exactly?
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@firedawn2u No it's not "real." That's why it's called faith. You have faith that it is real. But, in reality that doesn't make it real.
sideshow557 9 months ago
It is better if you believe in Jesus Christ before he comes back. Jesus loves you. He dies for you. He has a place for you in his father’s house. God bless you
sewit100 11 months ago
@sewit100 Why should I? Firstly, if God is real, then he is a malevolent deity that I have no interest in putting an ounce of trust or love in. Secondly, God can't expect a somewhat intelligent being like myself to believe in him without the slightest decent proof whatsoever. How did Jesus die for me? Original sin with Adam and Eve? How could God expect them to know that it was wrong to defy him, when they did not have that knowledge before eating the apple? Religion is a hoax.
AsifIcarebear3 11 months ago
@supercalafragrag Yes, Jesus is coming back soon. Pray that our flight isn't in the winter or on the Sabbath.
We can know the season of his return.
firedawn2u 1 year ago
I love this!!!!!! We need more preaching like this ! And as for AsifIcarebear3 ...you cannot see oxygen but it's there. He has blessed me over and over and you should try talking to Him sometime. God bless ya'll!
supercalafragrag 1 year ago
@supercalafragrag But you can measure oxygen or scientifically proove it's there. Do that to God, and I'll become a religious (not a christian) on the spot. That's a promise.
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
LOL!!! A secular audience.
NobleValerian 1 year ago
Steve has ran out of jokes..At 2:50watch Mr. Harvey try to cry...LOL...now it's time to pimp da So Call Christan people..why not most of the (True) Prophet,Prophetess,Pastor etc... r playing the people in the name of JESUS....
deejay4569 1 year ago
WITH OUT "GOD" YOU DONT HAVE ANYTHING-YOU ARE JUST EMPTY INSIDE. HE HAS DONE SO MUCH FOR ME AND EVERYBODY ELSE. WHEN HE COMES AGAIN, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO, YOU CANT RUN, YOU CANT HIDE, SO YOU MIGHT WANNA GET ON HIS TEAM. SIGNED MARCEDRIN PLEASANT, BATON ROUGE,LOUISIANA
thisistheshit100 1 year ago
Amen....I love this...King of Kings!!!! Jesus Christ...
annieplate 1 year ago
People can believe ... it's called faith.
You can't see air, does that mean it isn't there?
It is an interesting question: Most people who don't believe in Jesus/God, believe humans evolved from apes or a big bang millions of years ago. .... Prove those ... uh facts!
BarrCarrisHarr 1 year ago
he looks alot like richie pyror lol
barrackbuster 1 year ago
The Alfa and Omega! God is the king of kings!
dalilapr 1 year ago
Got to put this on, don't know this speaker but he sure did a good job on this!!
lorla85 1 year ago
black people or dumbbbbbbbbb!!!
justlookingutube 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
How can people actually believe in Jesus/God? How can they not see it is simply just something someone made up to explain the once inexplicable? Like Thor's wagon shooting bolts of lightning, or the sea's changing nature by Poseidon's mood. This is what God is and what God will be. I just don't get it.
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 Seriously? Hmmm! Gos is real...look around you
firedawn2u 1 year ago
@firedawn2u Nice argument.
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 How can people actually believe that everything came from nothing/no one? How can they be so sure of themselves as to think that they can explain the origins of all things? Like those scientists who once believed the earth was flat, and that monsters dwelt at the edges of the world, perhaps they aren't seeing the bigger picture. I just don't get it, either.
thetolkienlover 1 year ago
@thetolkienlover How can religious people be so sure of themselves? That they found the EXACT truth behind every single thing? Atleast scientists are ready to reevaluate their opinions based on fact. Besides, the presence of a God is illogical. I have yet to hear a decent argument to Teodicy - the problem of evil.
Oh, and to be affiliated to any kind of religion also seems illogical to me. How can you know you're the one who found the "true" religion?
Awaiting response, as this interests me.
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 How is the presence of a God illogical? And what is the problem if evil?
Follower172 1 year ago
@Follower172 How is God illogical you ask? Exactly because of the problem of evil. Epicurus asked the questions: "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" And that is why God is illogical. Atleast the christian God. Try all you want to dispute these arguments.
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 Why does he need to prevent it. Maybe he ordained it, has a plan and will punish evil. God isn't willing to prevent evil, because it is here, but he will punish it. If there isn't a god, evil isn't evil. It is just things you don't like. Try all I want to dispute them, the premises are wrong. Why would we presume that God would have to be the way we want him to be, and if he isn't, he is illogical? The bible never said he is willing.
Follower172 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 The Bible never grants two of those premises. God is never assumed in the Bible to be willing and unable, nor unwilling and able. He can have a plan that includes evil, and with evil a punishment for it. You (and epicurus) are presupposing a world without God, and when you try to fit him into an atheist worldview it is illogical. There is no problem here for the Christian
Follower172 1 year ago
@Follower172 So God has a plan with evil you say? That's a really weak argument. What was the purpose of the extermination of Jews in WW2? Or the countless wars? Or the psychopaths who rape and kill little children? Do you just look at that evil and say: God must have a plan with that evil, so it's okay.
You say God is unwilling to destroy evil? Then how can you call him God, when he does evil and cruel things? Your God must be very, very malevolent. How can you love someone so evil?
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 So evil that is based on fate is better? You are using my worldview to fight my worldview? That is odd. You have no basis for calling any of that evil. You have a problem because God doesn't act the way you want him to act, therefore, you argue, he can't exist, or he is malevolent. Yes, if your worldview is correct (atheist) then God cannot fit in, or he would be evil himself. It is funny that you are borrowing from my worldview to attack it
Follower172 1 year ago
@Follower172 So now you're saying those things aren't even evil now? What is evil to you then? To any logical human being those things which I mentioned are evil. Is it not evil that Hitler exterminated 6 million Jews?
Of course I use your worldview to make it clear how silly it is. I use the basic mathematic method of testing a theory. If X is correct, then Y is correct meaning Z makes sense. This is what I am doing, and that is not odd.
You also failed to answer any of my former questions.
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 No, I am saying that unless you grant God, you have no "logical"reason to call anything evil or good. Just things you like and dislike. I say they are evil, you are borrowing from my to make your worldview not fall apart. You are inconsistent. Your questions about what Gods plan in something is are impossible to answer, you are assuming I know his mind. God doesn't have to do what you want him to do to be God.
Follower172 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 MAthematics doesn't work here! The end is when evil is punished and good rewarded. God had a plan to redeem before the creation, because he knew we would fall into sin. WE choose sin, not him. So, people who remain in sin go to hell, those who are in Christ go to heaven. Read the Bible before telling me or another christian what it says. And stop using evil and good, because your worldview doesn't allow for them.
Follower172 1 year ago
@Follower172 I am simply applying mathematic methods in order to understand what you believe. Your beliefs are illogical, which I have prooved. It is, obviously, impossible to disproove God, but what you believe makes no sense. Man might very well choose to sin, but God created the ability to sin. Therefore, God is responsible for evil, and I should not have to go to hell because God chose to allow evil to exist.
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 You didn't show the logical fallacy in my beliefs. What did I say that makes no sense? God created us "Very good." We sinned. ability to sin isn't something that is created or not. You should go to hell because you choose sin and you choose hell. God is simply giving you what you want.
Follower172 1 year ago
@Follower172 It's hard to pinpoint your stupidity in believing God, as there are millions of God-views (this alone should make you suspect something is wrong). You say god created us good, and that we "choose" to be evil. But why did God create evil in the first place? To test us? I want to know what you believe, because you are wrong and I want you to know it.
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 again with the wrong presupposition. God created us good. We (that is, US,) We sinned. Evil isn't something that is created. It is something that is done. You don't even have a rational basis for calling anything evil. I do. I could just as easily say that there are millions of "non-god" views, so that should tell you that something is wrong with you too...you are using appeal to masses, when you can't even substantiate what you are saying
Follower172 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 To put it further. If we choose sin, that means we bring evil into the world. Not God. Us. We are the problem. You and me and your sister. Humans are responsible for sin. not God. The problem here is you don't like that there is a God and you are accountable to him. That means you are guilty. If you hold to "no god' then at least in your own mind you aren't accountable. but you borrow from the "god" worldview to live. be consistent at least
Follower172 1 year ago
@Follower172 God has still created the evil. Therefore you say life is a test - do you choose evil or not. That life is a test is very, very silly. I will explain further if you do not believe me.
I do not borrow anything from the God-worldview, I just try to explain what I believe and attempt to understand what you believe - which I already stated. Believe me, I am consistent in my worldview.
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 NO. I will not grant you that God created evil. Life is NOT a test. Stop trying to get me to grant that. the Bible doesn't grant that, niether do I. You are wrong. Yes, you do borrow from my worldview. Everytime you say it is wrong to do something, or that you "love" someone, or that something shouldn't be done, you are not being consistent with atheism.
Follower172 1 year ago
@Follower172 You're now saying I cannot think something is evil or good without your world view as a religious person. That is extremely silly. My love to people is what it is, regardless of your imaginary friend. Atheism does not discard emotions, only the notion of an all powerful being who created us, and has (had) anything to say/do in the world.
So God did not create evil? Your God is not omnipotent.
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 I am saying you have no rational basis for love, good, or evil...wickedness, righteousness...justice. There is none of that if there is no God or absolute moral standard. All you can say is "I don't like this, or I don't like that." God didn't create evil. How does that make him not omnipotent? God cannot sin, does that mean he is not all powerfull? Sin is against his nature. He would not be God if he sinned
Follower172 1 year ago
@Follower172 Love is chemical reactions in my brain. "Good" and "evil" are things I have to know about in order to live in a large society. It is evil to steal and kill, because if I do not think so society will fall appart. All the things you said can be based in rationality.
If God did not create evil, he did not create all things. Besides, why would he allow evil to exist? What is the point of evil? A test? Or does evil have to exist - in your opinion - for us to know good?
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@Follower172 If you say evil has to exist in order for us to know good, you're ein single minded. It's like living in a 2D world. If this world was 2D, we would not be able to grasp living in a 3D world. That's the same with good and evil, evil being the 3rd dimension.
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 I said you have no rational basis for saying anything is evil or good. I do. I didn't say what your reply says. I am glad that I am single minded. Christians should be single/narrow minded. That doesn't mean I am wrong. BTW your last comment is far different from the others, you are starting to reduce to absurdity.
Follower172 1 year ago
@Follower172 I do have rational basis for saying something is good or evil. Is it evil for a person to rape another person or steal or commit crime? Yes, of course. Why? Because God doesn't want you to, or because a society cannot prosper if we do not coexist peacefully. I would argue that the ladder is most logical.I know my analogy was mildly odd, but I think it illustrates my point quite nicely. And I agree completely that you have to be single minded to be Christian :)
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@Follower172 I still need an answer concerning the purpose of evil.
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 I all ready said, I don't pretend to know "the purpose of evil" as if there is one purpose for every evil thing that has ever happend. There could be multiple purposes. But here is one example of a possibility. Bear in mind the Bible just says God does have a will and purpose for everything it doesn't say what it is. ...
Follower172 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 The purpose of Pharoh in the Bible, in the exodus, according to the Bible, "But, indeed, for this reason I have allowed you to remain, in order to show you My power and in order to proclaim My name through all the earth." Pharoh was evil, I don't think anyone doubts that. And God used him for the reason stated above. That doesn't mean you have to like it, bu tthere is one purpose
Follower172 1 year ago
@Follower172 Ah, the good old "God works in mysterious ways" argument. Yeah, that's always nice to have when you run out of arguments. I guess there was a purpose with the jew extermination in WW2, just like there is a purpose with people raping little children or people killing other people for their own amusement. You would argue that all these things has a purpose, and that God intended for them to happen? Your God seems less and less appealing to be frank.
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 That wasn't my argument. And you cannot show how there could be no purpose in any of these acts either. Don't try shifting the burden of proof. I didn't run to anything. I never claimed to know what any purpose would be. But rather than just "running" to the argument of "what is the purpose behind bad things," why not also ask what the purpose is behind good things?
Follower172 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 Also, you aren't dealing with the topic. You are deverting. No one could know his purposes if God exists, they would by definition be beyond us if he is working in eternity. I don't need to know his purpose. You still have no rational basis for thinking the holocaus was wrong, I do. You don't have a rational basis for thinking rape of anyone is "wrong," I do. What is your rational basis for thinking anything is evil or wrong?
Follower172 1 year ago
@Follower172 The burden of proof is actually on your side. Since it's impossible to proove something does not exist (this is basic fact) it is the religious people's responsibility to proove the existence of God. I don't expect you to even try this, because that would be absurd. This wasn't what I wanted to talk about though, it was only a reply to your "shifting the burden of proof". Moving on: I have already stated my rational basis for thinking something is wrong or right. What is your ...
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@Follower172 point anyway? Are you actually taking credit as a religious person for the knowledge of right and wrong? What about the people in the world who have never ever even heard of your God, and still has a basic set of rules very similar to your ten commandments? Killing, stealing, lying are all things that are bad for a society, and are frowned upon. I suggest you message me with your response, because the lack of space in this comment section is starting to bug me.
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@Follower172 Oh, and concerning the purpose of WW2: I find it an atrocity that you can just look at that and say "God must have a purpose with that". That's such a weak argument.
Your argument was in fact the very definition of "God works in mysterious ways" by the way.
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 You are not understanding Scripture. That is why you keep saying God created evil. The only possible leg you have to stand on is when Isaiah said about God the he creates "peace and calamity (evil)" meaning peacefulness and tragedy. but you still need my worldview to define those things. Nothing is tragic if we weren't created and are just the product of evolution. who cares who does what then
Follower172 1 year ago
@Follower172 God created everything. Every single thing. That must include evil, otherwise he is not omnipotent. I call that a tad more than a "leg to stand on". I would also like to ask you what religion you believe in, and if you believe in the book most likely attached to it (Bible, Qur'an, Tanakh or otherwise)
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3
We are born into a battlefield, a war between good and evil.
cheric50 1 year ago
@cheric50 Epicurus. Please look him up. When you've done so, and probably said "there must be evil in order to be good", then ask yourself why on earth there has to be SO much evil. If there was only a tiny bit, so we knew what the "other" side was, then that argument would have atleast a little weight.
If on the other hand you're going to say "God gave us free will", then ask yourself why there are earthquakes and volcanos - something completely separated from humans - killing so many people.
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 i totally had those same questions. esp considering the parallel to pagan myths. however, the historicity - in my view - provides substantial reasons for me to believe. the letters of paul. the testimonies and historical executions of his disciples. josephus. tacticus. pliny the younger. plus the Jewish Scriptures expected Him (esp look at seder) outside my own experience and philosophical inquiry, these are reasons for me to believe. cs lewis and tim keller helped me
reduxinflux 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 @AsifIcarebear3 i totally had those same questions. esp considering the parallel to pagan myths. however, the historicity - in my view - provides substantial reasons for me to believe. the letters of paul. the testimonies and historical executions of his disciples. josephus. tacticus. pliny the younger. plus the Jewish Scriptures expected Him (esp look at seder) outside my own experience, these are reasons for me to believe. cs lewis and tim keller helped me
reduxinflux 1 year ago
@reduxinflux sorry! didn't think this was going through! my bad.
reduxinflux 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 @AsifIcarebear3 i totally had those same questions. esp considering the parallel to pagan myths. however, the historicity - in my view - provides substantial reasons for me to believe. the letters of paul. the testimonies and historical executions of his disciples. josephus. tacticus. pliny the younger. plus the Jewish Scriptures expected Him (esp look at seder) outside my own experience and study, these are reasons for me to believe. cs lewis and tim keller helped me
reduxinflux 1 year ago
@reduxinflux I find a severe lack of any historical evidence that proves anything whatsoever. The only thing left unanswered in the world which the believers have going for them is the question of Big Bang, and what existed prior to that. But that only means we don't know yet, just like we had no idea that earth was not the center of the universe a long time ago.
What might those "substantial reasons" be by the way :)?
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
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@AsifIcarebear3 i totally had those same questions. esp considering the parallel to pagan myths. however, the historicity - in my view - provides substantial reasons for me to believe. the letters of paul. the testimonies and historical executions of his disciples. josephus. tacticus. pliny the younger. plus the Jewish Scriptures expected Him (esp look at seder) outside my own experience and study, these are reasons for me to believe. cs lewis and tim keller helped me
reduxinflux 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 prove to me that God doesn't exist. There's your challenge =]
luvs2act 1 year ago
@luvs2act The burden of truth does not lie on my shoulders. It is impossible to disprove something does not exist. Example: I believe there is a floating teapot, which interacts with the real world in no way whatsoever, and cannot be percieved in any away besides on the spiritual level. Prove to me that does not exist. You can't. It is the believer's responsibility to prove the existence of God. I can only "disprove" him on a logical basis, such as the problem of evil.
There is your challenge.
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 It is true that God himself is not measureable, observable or quantifiable. What you can do, however, is measure, observe and quantify the universe he created. One example to consider is DNA. Or take a look at the carefully balanced laws of physics. Or consider the second law of thermodynamics. I could go on but I think it would be pointless. I'd be happy to discuss the subject with you further if you like. Just send me a note.
eternalwolf777 1 year ago
@eternalwolf777 You're talking about intelligent design I take it? We could argue about this for the rest of our lives. We will never ever agree. So I will just say: I do not believe in a God because it is 100% impossible to proove the existence of a God. You cannot falsify the concept of God. This does not make it right. Religious people base their entire life on something they have no proof of whatsoever.
To me, it's like believing in elves. Believe or don't, I don't care anymore.
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
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@AsifIcarebear3 You seem to care enough to watch this video and comment on it.
kekort2 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 prove to me that God DOESN'T exist. That's my challenge to you if you are willing to take it =]
luvs2act 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 hmmm my comment probably posted several times because my computer was being difficult. Sorry about that!!!
luvs2act 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 I'd be happy to discuss it with you via email. Send me a note.
eternalwolf777 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 Ahem.
Ever heard of Lee Stoneking?
Even if you can explain his heart restarting, explain his' walking about and talking after thirty minutes of death.
apostolicaspie 1 year ago
@apostolicaspie "Ahem": So because I, who hasn't gone through years and years of medical school, cannot explain or atleast give a reasonable theory to explain your example, it must automatically be God's fault. Right. Think a few hundred years back. Explain lightning to a person back then. That wasn't science, that was Thor riding his wagon across the sky. It's the exact same thing you're trying to do right now.
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 Well if you can't prove it isn't God right now, why bother trying to get me to doubt? If I could prove the Wind (the Hebrew term for Spirit) is capable of doing all the Bible says God did, would you believe in my God?
apostolicaspie 1 year ago
@apostolicaspie Why bother? Because just as some people once told people it wasn't Thor's wagon spewing bolts of lightning, I am trying to make you realise the truth. That is why. I am not quite sure I understand your Wind-example, please specify.
Concerning your proof: I actually disagree that your emotions concerning God cannot be proven. Brain scans of religious people during a religious experience has shown activity in certain parts. This leads me to believe "God" is merely your brain (...)
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 If God is in our brains, then why knock it? WE'RE the ones with the enhanced lifespans.
apostolicaspie 1 year ago
@apostolicaspie I'd rather live my life in truth and knowing that I should live it to the fullest, because this is it, than live a few more years in blindness.
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 Hmm, I could'n't'a believed you any time in my life. When I was too young to know, I was generally old enough to say, "prove it." I was looking for proof of God, and I sure enough found it. It's an emotional proof, and there is no current method as far as I know to scientifically validify my findings, but I know enough about my own emotions to know He's real. Real enough to believe in for me.
apostolicaspie 1 year ago
@apostolicaspie sending out signals. Exactly like love is a very strong emotion, so is your feeling of God.
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 Yeah, and sometimes people have to work hard to get the simplest of emotions, and it's a LOT harder than just working to empathise with a pastor or musical types. You need to be a specific type of person in specific kinds of circumstances to get some kinds of religious emotions. They aren't just spontaneous. So they're different from regular emotions; completely different, really. They don't even measure on the normal emotional scale!
apostolicaspie 1 year ago
@apostolicaspie Of course you have to be gullible enough to believe in a God in order to experience religious emotions, that goes without saying, but apart from that I believe any person is capable of having them. Some stronger than others, of course. However, I don't see the point of this. Love isn't, sadness isn't and every other emotion is not spontaneous.
What "emotional scale" if I might ask? Not that it matters, it's an emotion stemming from chemicals released in your brain.
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 Here is the intellectual inconsistency in your argument... You claim that you know "Truth" and all "Christians" are walking through life blindly, well thats all well and good for you but in actuality not a statement of "Truth" and here is why I the same statement of your belief that God is not real you establish something that cannot be attained but is purely a Philosophical construct...Enlightenment, a belief that you have attained a perfect understanding of "Truth"....
jtxstar 1 year ago
@jtxstar That... sentence was very hard to understand at all.
I'll try and answer as best I can, since it's hard to know what you're saying. I say I've found "truth", because your God is not logical. E.g. Epicurus and his argument. If God does in fact exist, he is very evil minded entity, and I have no wish to worship him. I see no reason why God should exist, whatsoever, therefore I have the truth on my side.
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 "the once inexplicable"? what are you talking about? what was once inexplicable and is now explicable?
alixproductionstudio 1 year ago
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AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@alixproductionstudio Lightning, the sun, the stars, the stars, the ocean, diseases and countless other things. How can you explain that without science? You slap a "God" tag on them and call it a day. Today we know better. God was invented to explain things we did not understand.
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 So why does that make God officially nonexistent? Christianity states that God created the world. And if He did, as God, He would have made it "scientifically" correct and in perfect order. So even though we could not explain it then and can now is not a logical argument as to the existence or nonexistence of God. It just means that humans are pretty stupid. We can't say that God doesn't exist simply because we as humans were once morons who didn't know anything...
alixproductionstudio 1 year ago
@alixproductionstudio People invented this God to explain all the things that was happening long ago. How christian are you? It's hard to know with you people. If you believe in the bible 100%, then you're a retard. If you're more moderate, then I don't understand how you can call yourself a christian, but I just need to know how hard-core you are. Otherwise this discussion will be difficult.
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 I don't think how Christian I am makes any difference really, although I agree with you about a moderate Christian not being a Christian. Please be specific about what it is that Christians try to use God to explain. You cannot generalize in an argument like this. Also, abusive persuasion (which is the technical term for your phrase "if you believe in the bible 100%, then you're a retard," is not getting us anywhere. Please try to have an actual conversation with me...
alixproductionstudio 1 year ago
@alixproductionstudio I have already been specific on what people once used God to explain. Today, most religious people accept that it is in fact not a God throwing bolts of lightning, rather than friction between particles in the sky, and Christians have had to accept that the word of God in the Bible is false and the knowledge presented in it was limited to the people of its age. The earth is not flat. It deals with rules of slavery and rape as if they fill the life of the common human being.
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 First of all I would like to differentiate between what you seem to think is our God and greek mythology of the Iliad and the Odyssey. Zeus is not anything like the God that I serve. Zeus was definitely a creation of the human mind. Why? Because he operates within human limitations. He is basically a man with superhuman powers. The God that I love doesn't even live in this dimension. He doesn't even live in time. He does not fit into the dichotomy that humans are always making...
alixproductionstudio 1 year ago
@alixproductionstudio I was talking about the origin of God. People looked at nature and created God to explain, as I've stated before. I know Zeus and the Christian God aren't the same, but they're a deity. Some kind of entity with awesome powers. Your God is no different - healing a few sick people every now and then, feeding a couple of men with only tiny amounts of food. That is what your God did when he walked the earth. I'd rather worship some cool God, like Poseidon. Maybe that's just me
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 Also, I do not accept that any portion of the Bible is false. I believe that portions are exegetical and others contemporary.
Obviously the lightning is not God, but that does not mean that He didn't create it. Just because Greeks created beings because they did not have a logical reason for a phenomena does not mean that there could not be another being so much more powerful than they were even aware.
alixproductionstudio 1 year ago
@alixproductionstudio To my knowledge the bible says the world is 6000 years old and flat. That's false.
That the bible is exegetical is awfully convenient when something that doesn't make sense comes around. You can just say: "oh, well that's because it doesn't mean it literally!"
I invite you to write me a message instead of spamming this video's comment section. I hate breaking my messages up into little pieces or maybe even missing something you say. Answer me via message, please.
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 Knowledge revealed in the Bible was beyond what people knew back then. For ex., in the book of Job it says the earth is round (or spherical). That was around 2000BC, time when most of the people thought the earth was flat. "Christians have had to accept that the word of God in the Bible is false" - this is just a nonsense. Also remember that the Bible isn't a science book, but it has a goal to reveal God and His plan to save human race.
vladie82 1 year ago
@vladie82 The Bible seems to contradict itself there. The belief that the earth is flat was held by the christians, and anyone daring to refute that would be killed. If memory serves.
What is God's major plan to save the human race? It seems to me we're going to hell with all this famine, war, disease and evil in the world. Why not reveal some great solution to all of this? He's all-powerful, is he not?
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 the belief that earth was flat is older than Jesus Himself.. people believed that before He was even born. And this world has such a wrong idea of God, that because we think he is all powerful and all knowing and all loving.. he can just save everyone from this famine and evil. You forget, the world is in this state not because of him but because of US, WE disobeyed his command to not to eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge. Knowledge is power, Power is dangerous.
yllscin 1 year ago
@yllscin But the christians held to the belief that the earth was flat. Why? If the bible says that it is round, why believe otherwise? Why not give us something real in the bible, something which can be tested or understood many years later that would testify to the origin of the bible being god? e=m*c^2 comes to mind. By just writing that in the bible God would have made a much more valid argument. Instead we get stuff like "Men has to have long hair" and other useless info.
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 Christianity was lost during the middle ages.. the true meaning of Christianity it was only reintroduced again by Martin Luther.. who fought for it... up till then... the Roman Catholic Church had taken over Christianity.. and everything they said or did was truth for the poor and the peasants who could not read and write.. thus could not read the bible themselves... many things got messed up during this time..
yllscin 1 year ago
@yllscin Why did the church even become "messed up"? If it was guided by the true God, the divine and all powerful father of existence, then the matter of leading the Church should be a simple one.
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 The Crusades even.. the wars when the Church fought with the philistines and the arabs to take back the Holy Land.. and killed many innocent ppl... it still keeps fear in ppl's minds especially the muslims and the philistines.. that Christianity is religion of terror and punishment... ppl have got the wrong idea of Christianity... read the bible especially the new testament you will know what true Christianity is..
yllscin 1 year ago
@yllscin Religion is horrible, and the Crusades is testament of that. Worship your God, but do not shout it out or try to convert people, as that has often resulted in bloodshed.
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 GOd is all powerful all knowing all loving.. but He is also a JUST God.. when we break His law his command and disobey him.. we will HAVE to pay for it in this life.. but if you believe that Christ died for you and paid the ultimate price of disobeying (death).. then you will have to suffer in this life, but he promises a place in heaven with him and an inheritance with Christ himself, everything that God the father has placed under his feet will you yours 2
yllscin 1 year ago
@yllscin So God is punishing the millions and million of people that have never even heard of him? How much evil has a little child in Africa really done? It was born the wrong place, and therefore has to starve. All the while some people in the more civilized world can do horrific things without suffering the tiniest bit for it. Why? That does not seem "just" to me.
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 God doesnt want anyone to suffer... dont blame all this on God.. just because He sits there and does noting.. you are not all knowing or all powerful or all loving.. how can you say that God is not doing anything.. in the Bible God clearly states.. "My ways are greater than yours.. and my thoughts greater than yours." YOU in your wildest dreams can NEVER imagine what God has instored for those who love him.. and those he loves.. he doesnt want anyone to suffer.
yllscin 1 year ago
@yllscin He doesn't want anyone to suffer? Why punish innocent people then? Why let people kill small children that are the most pure humans on this earth? Your God is malevolent. Disease, killing, famine and evil are all testiment of that. Do not dare to say that "God's ways are mysterious". There's no meaning behind the ruthless slaughtering that's going on in the world.
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 and He is at work all the time.. if you cant see that.. YOU need to ask Him to open YOUR EYES.
yllscin 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 One more thing I would like to add.. God lets you suffer and brings tribulation on people so that they would realize to turn around and come to HIM... suffering brings us more closer to Him.. it causes to ask theses exact questions you are asking me... it makes us wonder.. if there is God why would he let this happen.. instead of pointing fingers at him... why not just ask him? after all he is supposed to know everything.. shudn't he have the best answer?
yllscin 1 year ago
@yllscin Then ask your God and tell me the answer, because I will never be able to accept something so vile and evil into my heart. You go ask your God why he allows all that I have just said. I would love to hear the answer.
How can your bring a small child, starving on the streats, closer to a God he does not even know of? Your arguments do not make sense, so stop trying to sound like you know what you're talking about.
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 and also there are many times things are left unanswered... that doesnt mean God does not exist or is not interested in our lives.. that only means... that we as finite beings would never understand even if God attempts to explain.. its just not in our capacity to... we are human where as he is supposed to be SuperNatural.. 1 corinthains chap 13.. last few verses.. read them... we are still incomplete.. but when we are not.. we will see and understand clearly..
yllscin 1 year ago
@yllscin Well that's sort of convinient: "You can't fathom God, he's above you". An explanation as to why he only did measly magic tricks when he walked this earth wouldn't be that out of place.
And if your God is so all-powerful, shouldn't he be able to explain all these things so that we as simple human beings would understand them? Geniuses can simplify very complicated matters. Apparantly, your God is not only evil incarnate, he is also stupid.
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 For someone who doesn't care about God you seem really interested in Him........kinda makes ya wonder?
supercalafragrag 1 year ago
@supercalafragrag Did you really just conclude that God must be real because I'm interested in how people can believe in one such thing :P? Yeah, okay. Hop along, little bunny.
AsifIcarebear3 1 year ago
@AsifIcarebear3 You contradict you