this is for you arvaniti:if you are arvanitis than u speak the same mother language with albanians end diferent from new grek language.Like i know people who speak the same language are the same nations ..or not?So what do you say abaut that?
eina alithia oti oi arvanites den estanote kseni sti hora tus .i glosa tus einai oi glosa ton pellazgeon kai afto to ekoun apodhiksi ena soro anthropi ton gramaton opos Panagiotis Kupitoris iakovos thomopulos demetrio kamarda k lp.
There is not just one word of truth in this video!Arvanites never fellt as minority in Greece and abd thats why they never complained for anything.People with hate ignorance and greedy intentions like you try to find allies in the people (the arvanites)who slaughtered in the revolution of 1821!In revolutionary and pro revolutionary Greece arvanites was something totally different from Albanians with whom we clashed many times!
Well, I know a lot of arvanites and greeks (the vast majority of them), who are sure that arvanites have nothing in common with albanians. Arvanitika is a tosk albanian dialect in the same way that english is a germanic language. Arvanitika is related to Greek to the extend that English is related to French or latin languages. That is the truth. However, Arvanites are definitely a greek tribe, both historically and culturally.Are you laughing with the nonsense you write?You really know thyself!
--Hey--ARVANITES ARE DEFINITELY NOT A GREEK TRIBE---but if they like to be called GREEK-ETIOPIANS ,who cares ,they can call themself ,even chinese,Or CONGOLES,or ESKIMES,OR MY SHIT, that's ok,it's their personality and dignity----BUT THEY CAN'T CHANGE THEIR ORIGIN--THEY ARE ALBANIANS--THIS IS THE TRUTH-
Greeks don't understand a word in albanian-it's true that greek language is a DISTORTION OF ALBANIAN LANGUAGE--Like everything in GREEK'S IDENTITY--cuze ur identity is not greek,It's GREEK SALAD
Actually "Ethiopians" is a greek word and their tribe was famous for their civilization about 2,000 years, before Albanians were (Homer's Odyssey, Kingdom of Siba in Old Testament). So don't feel superior to Ethiopians, because of your skin-color. Nazism is not so popular in civilized world, you know!
So, since we, Greeks, are so Albanian-originating, why don't we merge our countries? It would be fun (for you)! Also, we have a saying in Greece: "A barking dog never bites"!
ohhhhh what are you, Greek mixed with Japonese, cause I know greeks now have children with their Philippines housekeepers, and the offspring's are proud greeks who look like chitas...LOL
LOL, do not talk non-sense cause my gadparents are Arvanites and they live in Greece, and are very proud to be who they are. They know they are not who the modern Greeks are, cause they are the ancient ones, they were the true people of Greece, and they speak Arvanite/Albanian that is their first mothers tongue.
Arvanitika und vlachisch sind zwei Dialekte, die viel mit griechisch zu tun haben. Ihre Wortschätze sind von der griechischen Sprache beeinflusst. Viele Wörter (mehr als du kann vorstellen) der arvanitischen Sprache haben griechische etymologie. Öffne ein Arvanitika-Lexikon. Persönnlich ich kann besser Arvanitika als andere völlig griechische Dialekte, wie Tsakonika oder Zypern-griechisch verstehen. Und ich bin nicht so dumm, wie du glaubst.
tani e pash kete o fshatar i qelbur----une mutin ebej per ty qe je mut muti 400 brezash--po ti mos fol te thash ti vetem degjo dhe meri ere kesaj qe dhjes une per ty---dhe mos mu bej si i zgjuar--se ti nuk ke tru as sa koke e rockes sime--degjove --se s'kam kohe te kthej pergjigje nje bajge fshati si motra jote--ndaj mos me qi karrin--se nje si ty e pikturoj me shurre ,degjove--shkerdhate--po do tua presim gurmazin ke per te pare--do tua qim ato fshatarkat ke per te pare
Byron ist Engländer geboren und Grieche Held in Messologi gestorben, wo die Soulioten und die anderen Griechen (Romioi) kämpften, um Griechenland zu befreien. Wenn er glaubte, dass Grieche "kämpfen gegen die Wahrheit", wie du meinst, entweder er war verrückt oder du hast nicht seine Zitate verstanden.
...I've read a lot of history books, mainly foreign (but not albanian), and I have a critical mind to evaluate the information. Denying talking to me, is a way to show that you've got no arguments to support your theories. That's definitely your problem, not mine. Adios, mi mafioso amigo. Buenas noches!
U have never read a book about History-u are a quixotic mind,who knows nothing about anything
Ur history book begin at the ASS of ur priest and END AT HIS BALLS-
GREEKS ARE REALY A DISTORTION OF HUMAN NATURE GENETICALY AND MENTALY-U,GREEKS ARE LITERALY A HYBRID--and it's in the nature of a hybrid to have a warped sense of everithing
U DON'T KNOW TO READ,U KNOW ONLY TO GET DRILLED IN THE ASS-suffering from the distorion of human insticts--it's the main cause of ur sinister & quixtoic mind
You do know so much about the male human anatomy and the practice of gay sex! Have you mastered it in your home-country? Well done! You're so good at it...
Meiner Meinung nach, das ist du, der keinen Plan von Geschichte und Politik hat. Ihr, die Albaner, schimpft die griechischen Geschichtebücher und ihr nennt ihnen griechisch-Propagandabiblen. Habt ihr sie gelesen? Was falsches ist dort geschrieben? Ihr beurteilt Griechen ohne sich zu wundern, ob die beschriebenen in den albanischen Geschichtebüchern Tatsachen wahr sind.
Until 20th century there were no "albanian ortodox people". Only Romioi. That's a nationalistic invention of the ones that created Albania, as a country (Italia, Austrian Empire). You know history but you know only the history between 13th and 15th century. You ignore the rest of it. We know that Arvanites came in the 13th cent. from Northern Epiros, which according to us is greek since at least 1200 BC. I don't say to you what the greek "propaganda" tells, cause there's not such thing...
Until 20 centurey there waere no Albanian ortodox???? hahahahaha Where have u find this, --in the ass of ur grrek priest?--But ALBANIAN ORTHODOX OF Negovani in North of GREECE fought against greek priests in Negovan--and ALBANIA HAS,THE MAJORITY OF HER RENAISSANCE SCHOLARS,ORTHODOX--THE FATHER OF ALBANIAN ORTODOX CHURCHE IS ALBANIAN,his name is FAN NOLI--
How u do u know what kind of history we know---While I see here in u tube- GREEKS ARE THE MOST RIDICULOUS PEOPLE IN HISTORY-U ARE A SHAME
... denn wir haben hellenische Herkunft und wir alle sprechen hellenisch, entweder du willst oder nicht. Georgios Kastriotis wollte auch König der Romioi werden, obwohl sie meinen, dass er Albaner war. Du hast nicht recht, wenn du sagst, dass nur Arvaniten eine "andere Sprache" sprechen. Die Vlachen sind ein anderes Beispiel.Ebenso, viele Bevölkerungsgruppen spechen griechische Dialekte, die unverständlich für einen Athener sind, wie die Tsakonen, die Kreten, die Dodekanesen usw.
--Don't play the fool u idiot--the greek right wing was pro nazis---But england took them to the ALLIANCE--cuze in Jalta between Stalin and Churchill was decided that GREEC TO BE on the west,and England did not want to collaborate with partisans,so they took back ZERV and his force,only in a simbolic way,to justify her war against GREK COMMUNISTS---Cuze british forces began ti behave like Conqueror in Greece and Rusvelt told Churchil :u don't have any right to act like CONQUEROR
I don't play the fool. The greek right wing was never pro nazis! You ignore the illegal presence of English, New Zelander etc. soldiers (hidden by greek civilians) that cooperated with the partisans against the Nazis before 1944. In 1944 the Nazis left Greece. After Jalta (end of WW2), I agree with you about England and its role in Greece (civil war).
Die Arvaniten wurden zu zeiten des byzants Romioi genannt, wie alle die Griechen dieser Zeit. Vom 4. bis zum 19. Jahrhundert gab es nur Romioi: keine Griechen, keine Arvaniten, keine Vlachen. Romioi waren die orthodoxen Christen bürger des ostlichen Romäischen Reiches, die hellenische Herkunft hatten, und die die hellenishe Sprache mindestens in der Kirche nutzten. Wir haben unseren Name geändert, weil wir unsere Vergangenheit zu den Europäern errinern wollten. So, wir sind Hellenes,...
Edo mou apantas sta germanika kai me paideveis, eno esy xereis ellinika kai ego echo 1 chrono na miliso germanika! Pes mou, loipon, ti na sympathiso ego meta apo sena? To sadismo sou? Oso gia to greekhelsiniki kai tis malakies pou leei tha sou apantiso os exis: pes mou poios dinei ta lefta gia na yparxei to greekhelsiniki? Ama to vreis echeis kai tin apantisi mou.
... me tous allous Ellines. Alla den einai to idio ethnos. Oi Alvanoi ekanan epiloges (filia me Tourkous) stin istoria diaforetikes apo tous Arvanites kai tous allous Ellines.Den echei shesi me aftous pou irthan to '90 stin Ellada. I ethnotiki diafora yparxei apo to 1821. 200 chronia imaste "ehthroi", den boroume tora na ginoume "aderfia" kai oute theloume, giati de sas ebistevomaste pleon. Oute mia fora de mas ypostirixate, alla symmahousate me tous ehthrous mas kai mas polemousate...
Profanos den exeis dei Arvanites sti zoi sou. Tha sou po gia tous pappoudes mou kai to soi tous: kontoi os metrii, melahrini kai adinatoi. Ego den boro na xehoriso Arvaniti apo Pontio oute apo Kritiko. Tous Alvanous tous Gegides tous xehorizo amesos (einai xanthoi ke ehoun alla haraktiristika). Episis, oi Arvanites stin Ellada milane kyrios ellinika kai kapioi arvanitika kai den legontai shqip, alla Arvanites. Borei kapioi Alvanoi na echoun idia katagodi me tous Arvanites alla kai...
--QEPE TI OR FSHATAR I QELBUR--SE KOKA JOTE PREJ BUJKU KA TRU ME PAK SE KOK E ROCKES SIME--ti je nje cope krimb qe ndersa vegjeton ne mutin grek i merr ere mutit tim edhe haj nga pak se te ben mire te kethen nga kakerdhi fshati ne nje cope muti--ndaj ti mos me caj karin e me bej te zgjuarin se do te ta gjej ate vrimen ku fshihesh ne SARAND e dote qi ate motren--u bere ti shkerdhat te flasesh--ti duhet vetem te degjosh dhe ti lash veshet mire para se te degjosh fjalet tona,mut i mutit 400 breza
Meine Großeltern sprechen auf griechisch und auch auf arvanitika im Dorf. Das ist vielleicht eine Überraschung für dich, aber das ist die Wahrheit. Sie fühlen sich Griechen und ihre Urgroßeltern haben mit den anderen Griechen gegen die Türken und ihre Albane Soldaten gekämpft.Sein Arvanit und sein Grieche ist bei uns egal. Wir kennen unsere Herkunft und niemand kann uns beweisen, dass wir Albane sind. Eine Dialekt ist kein Beweis für unsere ethnische Identität. Unsere Geschichte ist der Beweis.
degjo ore bajge e qelbur fshati---ti nuk i kupton keto pune se truri yt eshte si hale ku pranon vetem mutin qe del nga bytha e grekeve---Doaj te te ktheja pergjigje atje tek ai greku,por ai me bllokoi ,por ju sminjte grekut jeni deficent dhe te vjen per te vjelle te diskutosh me ju qe perserisni si papagalle budalleqet e propagandes me qesharake ne bote,asaj greke-biles me ju edhe greket tallin karin
te mesoj nga ty-Po ti je mut muti 400 brezash or te qifhsa ate motren, ku di ti,ti je nej gdhe
We, greeks, cannot be friends with people that they oppresed and slaughtered us some decades ago (Albanians-1944, Bulgarians-1903, Turks-1922 and 1974). We can be good neighbours and we try to be, although all these try for the opposite. We are not ennemies with Macedonians, as noone is ennemy with himself. Our Prime Minister is actually Macedonian. Also we are good friends with French and Germans. Jeane Carthner is obviously anti-greek.If we feared of sb we'd pretend to be friends of everybody.
The only who commited a masacre after WWII,were GREECE, THAT killed men,women,children of albanian minority who used to live in NORTH OF GREECE--and this fact is accepted from AMERICAN CONGRES ON THAT TIME---On the other side GREECE IS THE ONLY COUNTRY WHO HAS A TERRORIST ORGANISATION affiliated with arab terrrorists,called "NOVEMBER 17"
ABOUT U ARVANITES--U ARE THE ONLY POPULATION IN THE WORLD,WHERE THE NAME:-HUMAN BEING- IS A ........------FIGURE OF SPEECH------
Greece never killed men, women and children. The Chams were Greek citizens and instead of respecting their neighbors, they cooperated with the fascist Italians and the Nazis, betraying their country and the Greeks, and commited a series of crimes against Greeks and Romaniotes Jews along with the Nazis.During the Nazi Occupation of Greece the greek partisans resisted them and revenged many of them and their Nazi "bosses".After WW2, the greek courts sentenced the Cham men who betrayed Greece to...
... death. The cham men were so coward, that they didn't even show up in the courts nad they took their women and children and left to Albania. Hoxa was aware of their crimes, and that's why all these years he didn't use them as an irredentist "trojan horse" against Greece, although Greece was in war with Albania until the 80s. I don't get your point about Arvanites... maybe we are idiots except for ridiculous. But, we've never been tradors, coward and fascists.
Soisodoeht---what u saying is a bullshit--like everything in today greek propaganda--
CHAMS fought against Nazis ,side by side with greek partisans---u ,idiot should know that in Greece, only greek communists fought against nazis--AND GREEK COMMUNISTS DECLARED IN THAT TIME THAT --CHAMS DID FIGHT AGAINST NAZIS--THIS IS THE TRUTH---While ZERVA and his forces were PRO NAZIS----,But, BRITISH FORCES COOPERATED WITH ZERVA,cuze they did not like communists,and they fought against greek communist
Chams did never fight against Nazis. Zervas with EDES cooperated in 1942 with ELAS, the communist partisans, and the British to explode the bridge of Gorgopotamos. He also proposed the Chams to leave the Nazi-side and resist them but they refused. Zervas and the Communists had conflicts when the Nazis were about to abandon Greece and after the Nazi-Occupation. I know exactly what I say. If I ignored the facts, I'd say nothing at all.
--ZERVA was pro NAZIS----this is published in the documents of greek communist party,they have posted even in U tube a video about the collaboration of ZERVA with Nazis-ZERVA was a ridiculous army,he had only 3,000 men;comunists had 20,000 men
AND GREEK COMMUNIST PARTY PUBLISHED IN 1944 E DECLARATE WHERE THEY SAY:--Chams Did Fight AGAINST Nazis with their Brigade,side by side with greek partisans---this is accepted by the commander in chief of greek partisans in NORTH OF GREECE,PETRITIS
GREECE KILLEd DURING THE WWII about 90,000 JEWS---this figure is according to the book of crimes against jews during the WWII, of israel governement-While at the end of WWII,greek forces commited massacre and an ethnic cleansing in SOUTH EPIR,NORTH OF GREECE,KILLing 10,000 ALBANIAN CHAMS ,who were MEN,WOMEN,CHIDREN,SENIOR CITIZENS---and later on GREEK STATE COMMITED CRIMES OF ETHNIC CLEANSING AGAINST SLAVO-MACEDONIANS KILLIN THOUSANDS OF THEM-American Congres and UN mention these HORRIBLE facts
Greece was under Nazi, Italian and Bulgarian occupation from 1941 until 1944. The Jews were sent to concentration camps by the Nazis and their allies. The Chams were the ones to help the Nazis to capture the majority of Romaniotes Jews living in the city of Ioannina. Ask any Jew to tell you the role of Greeks towards the jewish communint during WW2. Nikola Sarkozy himself has jewish origins from Thessalonike and he is one of the constant supporters of the greek positions.
--Hay idiot---- go open the book of JEWISH DIASPORA -
GREECE IS ON THE SECOND PLACE...
....after the nazi-germans,about the killing of JEWS-
----90,000 JEWS HAVE BEN KILLED FROM GREEKS DURING THE WWII
THIS FACT IS WORLD WIDE KNOWN---ASK ANY JEW,HE KNOWS THIS FACT
About chams--u massacred chams,because ENGLAND SUPPORTED U IN THIS MASSACRE,cuze greek forces of right wing were some ridiculous forces who were serving Nazis,but Britany supported them against grek communists and against chams
So greek right forces supported both the Nazis and the British in the same period of time, while Hitler was trying to invade Great Britain? Greece was not a state during the Nazi occupation: Athens, Thessalonike, Evros and Crete was occupied by the Nazis, Thace and Eastern Macedonia by the Bulgarians, and Epiros and the rest of Greece by the fascist Italians along with their Albanian allies. When Italians surrendered, Albanians continued their cooperation with the Nazis...
... and the latter succeeded the fascists in the rest of Greece. Greece (a country) cannot stand up and kill Jews. You can ask any Jew originating from Greece, to tell you the role of christian greeks during the WW2. Even the greek christian archbishop of Athens saved a lot of Jews, and Israel has recognised him as benefactor of the Jews. Until 1946 the communists were legal in Greece. So, even if the Chams were partisans along with the communists, why did they leave Greece in 1944?...
Only Cham Albanian men, who had supported the Nazis, were killed by Zervas as a revenge for the civilian victims of their criminal actions. They were definitely less than 10,000. After WW2, between 1946-1949, a civil war took place in Greece between the communists and the rightists. The rightists with the support of Americans and British won the communists. The communist victims were not Slavomacedonians but greek communists from all Greece
Personally, I ignore what the American Congres and UN support about those supposed "facts". You can give me a link with their statements to give you a suitable answer. Until then I have the right to doubt what you write in your comment (I mean about the American Congres and UN).
U can doubt my words,and it insult the intelect of my ass,epsecialy with what u saying,cuze ur Bible of truth is every-shit coming out of the greek priest's dick friendly ass-U ARE NATION WHO USE THE ECCLESIASTICAL IDENTITY LIKE HIS IDENTITY,CUZE U DON'T EXIST LIKE A HOMOGENOUS NATION---GREEK NATION IS LIKE PUBLIC BATHROOM WHERE ALL THE MIDDLE EASTERN PEOPLES GO AND SHIT THERE AND FROM THEIR SHIT IS CREATED A HYBRID & DISGUSTING NATION : GREEKS--WHO STRRUGLE AGAINST THE TRUTH--as Byron said.
Byron is the one who died in Messologhi (1826) fighting for the freedom of the Greek nation, isn't he? He must have been a psycho, if he strugled for a "HYBRID & DISGUSTING NATION". That "HYBRID & DISGUSTING NATION" is as homogenous as Turks, Russians, French, British, Spanish, Italians, Germans etc. are and much more homogenous than Chinese, Indians, Americans, Bosnians, Swiss etc. are. The religion identity is used even by Americans, who support that muslims cannot be Americans (Obama).
----Lord BYRON----was not a racist---and when someone fight for his freedom no matter if he is a worm like u greeks,what it does matter is the FREEDOM TO BE GIVEN TO A HUMAN BEING----------but u go check out the book of Lord Byron than come here and give ur "outstanding" speech
Fan_Noli (January 6, 1882 - March 13, 1965). Did Theofan Stilian Noli (wholy greek name!WOW!) found the "Albanian Orthodox Church" before 1900 AD?20th century=from 1901 until 2000! What a surprise for you?
So, we are a shame? for whom? Maybe the whole western world that contacted the civilization and science (at last) in 1453 though greek immigrants!
So what??If he has a greek name is a greek????ur prime minister with a turkish name KARAMANLIs is a turkish;ur EX-PRESIDENT SIMITIs is a turkish,or KARAXHAFAERRIs is a turkish according to ur arxidia theory,a?
GREEK,Figa ore to ETIOPIA,in the south of SAHARA-IT'S UR GENUINE HOME COUNTRY,over there fight for THE Freedom of NORTH SAHRA
GREEK U ARE AN ASS
THE RENAISSANCE OF EUROPE TOOK PLACE FIRST IN ITALY, than in FRANCE and so on,while GREECE WAS A COLLABORATOR OF OTTOMANS with its CHURCHE
-hey idiot--what wikipedia are u talking about---go read THE SELECTED POEMS-It's in every Library;in this book of LORD BYRON U WILL LEARN THE TRUTH that GREEKS ARE THE MOST COWARDS,RIDICULOUS AND DISGUSTING PEOPLE,EVER---This is the OPINION of all FOREIDN DIPLOMATS IN ATHENS IN 1810-------
It's written in plain english at "Childe Harold's Pilgrimage"--while about ALBANIANS he says " ...ARE THE BEST RACE IN EUROPE..." GO CHECK IT OUT--GO!!!--U WORMS of MANKIND dare to speak ill about us
We, the Arvanites, are very proud to be Greeks. That's why, we don't wanna be a minority. The chams are not a minority in Greece. Maybe a minority in Albania, but not in Greece. They have no greek citizenship since they betrayed the greek state during the period 1941-1944, when they cooperated with the fascist Italians and the Nazis against their greek neighbors. The legal greek courts sentenced the majority of the Cham men to death, but they were so coward that they left Greece to Albania.
ky fshatari i qelbur po ben popagande te holle--o te qifsha greket ne bythe me keq se c'qihen--u bete ju mut e mutit te ardhur nga Etiopia te flsini per Arvanitasit---fshatari qelbur te qifsha ate fshaterken ne vere te bithes
elikranon-eshte hera e dyte qe te paralajmeroje per propagande te qelqur qe bene ne videot e mia....nuk ka per te pasur here te trete!Do jesh i bllokuar!PIKE dhe nuk zgjatem me.Leri karlliqet e propagandes greke.
C'fare lidhje ka c'fare thote Ozali me Shqipetaret ? Meqenese Greket thone se homeri qe Grek dhe TUrket thone se qe Turk pse nuk e quajne veten Greket turk meqe homeri u quante OMAR!
Te dy mburreshin se kush kish kulturen me te lashte apo heroin me te madh. Njeri thoshte xx tjetri thoshte yyy .. e keshtu me rradhe deri sa Greku tha se ne kemi shpikur seksin! Athere Shqipetari u pergjigj se kjo qe e vertete por ishim ne shqipetaret qe e praktikuam te paret!
"Gjer ne Marseje kishin arritur" pa pa pa sa te zote paskan qene mor vella! Po akoma skishin shkuar ne te arushes e te kishim shpetuar te gjithe nga keto budalleqe qe po degjojme sot prej teje kapterr!
e nejse more budelmonti...une personalisht disa si puna juaj edhe ju kuptoj(por nuk ju marr vesh) pasi e thote edhe fjale vete:tradhetia- tradheti,paraja te veje dhe te vi.
Po tema tjeter ku do hidhesh kapterr(po ta huazoj pak termin mallakastriot) kush eshte ? Ndoshta do flasesh edhe per nikoqirllekun apo per zhdukjen e dinosaurve vetem e vetem te mbrosh verberisht propaganden tende!
Shumica e popullesise se lashte greke ndodhej ne territorin e Turqise se sotme se atje kishte me pjellori si dhe qe qendra e perandorise bizantine! Turqitt e sotem jane me grek se ju!
Pse pikerisht dy shekujt e fundit apo eshte Etaloni ISO i propaganda greke per te gjykuar kete pjese te historise ndersa Sicilianet e sotem na i quaje Grek si dhe here tjeter ke then se edhe tosket kan qene te tille!
budelmonti je shume jokoherent, dhe me se fundi arrite te tregosh verberine e llogjikes tende propaganduese, kur deri pak me pare thoje se keto apo ato jane grek se keshtu kan qene ne te shkuaren ndersa tani thua se mjafton qe sot jane grek!
...hahahahaa...lere alketux se ja beme mendjen dhalle te gjorit!lere ore budelmonti kete muhabet se nuk "hane" pyke nga manipulimet e grekut-"turkoshqiptari"-mallakastrioti dhe "greko ortodoksi"-alketux....hahahaaaa...
Nuk duron shqipja ate njgjyre more budelmonti...joooo...se shqipja i hap krahet vetem ne njgjyre te kuqe!Eshte Shqiponje qe ka fluturuar gjithmone lert ajo dhe veshtire t'a neneshtrosh!
Ti do te thuash se meqenese ARvanitasit kan shkuar ne Greqi shume shekuj me pare se Greket ne Amerike(te cilet u asimiluan) dhe prape nuk ishin asimiluar komplet por perbenin nje pjese te mire te popullesise Greke , imagjino sa shume qe ishin kur emigruan dhe sa kompakt. PAstaj kjo trgon se tosket kane qene gjithnje Shqipetar meqenese gjuha dhe kultura qe e tille!
Tani ore budelmonti qe t'a marresh vesh zotrote kjo puna e greqizimit ne trojet tona te lashta nuk behet me dredheri apo me dinakeri...si i behet puna valle ndryshe se per burreri nga ato ane qe jeton ti nuk ka dhe dyfekun e kane shkrepur vetem shqiptaret!si thua zotrote,si do na greqizoni-apo do ju shqiptarizojme ne?!
Ti mor vella kalon nga sulmi ne mbrojtje sikur te ishe me skleroze, harrove se deri tani po shikoje vetem grek gjithandej! Nuk besoj se eshte gabim te thuash qe arvanitasit jane popullesi me kulture gjuhe dhe prejardhje te njejte me shqipetaret . Pastaj nese ndonjeri do te quhet Grek le ta beje por pa krijuar paragjykime mbi ke do te quhet edhe Shqipetar
E mire xhanem...eshte politike e vjeter kjo qe Toskerine kerkoni t'a greqizoni...por do keni shum probleme me Laberine,Mallakastren Camerine dhe gjithe Shqiptarine per kete pune more budelmonti dyfek pa gjalm...
Na i nxorren dhe kockat e femijeve dhe grave te vdekurva ne Kosine e thane se jane ushtar Grek! Nuk e di me c'mendesi dhe me c'te drejte justifikon ky Budeli keto politika greke!
Ne shume zona te greqise arvanitasit ishin popullesi kompakte duke lene menjane Camerine qe ishin shqipetar te mirfillte dihet qe Beotia kishte shumice shqipetare pasi shqipetaret u ftuan meqe Grekerit(ish sllavet) kishin vdekur nga epidemite dhe i duheshin krah pune!
Edhe une nuk desha te shkoja tek ADN por kur ti me thua qe Sicilianet jane Grek athere e vetmi shpjegim qe mund ti bej kesaj fraze eshte se ti mendon se atoj jane grek nga ADN pasi sot flasin te gjithe gjuhe LAtine! Per sa i perket Arvanitasve sic e thashe nese ato nuk jane me Shqipetar 100% athere edhe Greket nuk jane Grek . Une jam i mendimit te mos quhen as Grek as SHqipetar te gjith banoret e Greqise por te quhet shteti Greko-Shqipetar dhe banoret Grekoshqi!
Sa per kuriozitetin e djalit bbudelmont: Genetic structure of the population of Sicily:These data indicate a close relationship between Sicily and southern Italy. In addition, the contribution of Middle Eastern populations to the gene pool of Sicily was evident. Pra Siciljanet jane Italik + Arabe nga DNA dhe kane kulture dhe gjuhe Italiane! Ku na i nxorre Grek ti sicilianet, apo e bete zakon te shpifni Greket nga vakumi?
degjo more djalooo (te kishim bere muhabet me gjithe gomeret e greqise do kishin nxene pa tjeter der tani)...qe politika e asimilimit ka funksionuar deri tani ne ate shtet kurve qe bene pjese zotrote,kete nuk e luan as topi.
Per sa i perket Arberesherve ne Itali ne nuk pretendojme se Italianet jane Shqipetar por duam te te bejme te kuptosh se ato persona qe emigruan nga Epiri dhe morea shume shekuj me pare ishin Shqipetare dhe jo Grek!
budelmonti a merr vesh apo nuk di te lexosh se asnjeri nuk mohen se nuk ka patur Greke ne Itali por te arrish te thuash se Sicilianet jane Grek eshte absurde pasi ne ate toke shumica ishin dhe jane indigjen pastaj ka patur emigrime shume here me masive se ato greke ne keto toka . Per sa i perket magnia grecia sipas studuesve italiane grekerit e ketyre zonave jane te perjudhes bizantine edhe pse ne te kaluaren ne te njejtat zona ka patur greke!
Mallakastres i qan shpirti per gjithe njerezine(edhe pse disa si puna jote nuk i kuptojne keto gjera)...por mallakastra inatoset teper kur disa dhelparak kerkojne te lujn politiken e dinakerise ne kurriz te atyre qe nuk kane teper force!
Dopo la colonizzazione del Mar Egeo e delle coste dell'Asia Minore, tra l'VIII ed il VII secolo a.C., gente di civiltà greche (mercanti, contadini, allevatori, artigiani), comparve nella parte meridionale dell'Italia (le attuali Basilicata, Calabria, Campania e parte della Puglia) nell'ambito di un flusso migratorio originato da singole città della comunità greca, o
motivato sia dall'interesse per lo sviluppo delle attività commerciali, che da tensioni sociali dovute all'incremento della popolazione a cui la magra produzione agricola non riusciva a dare sostentament
budelmonti e ke degjuar kengen "O e bukura More"?Ajo kendohet vetem ne gjuhen arbereshe jo ne greqisht.Arbereshet e Italise kane ardhur nga Morea ne 1461.Ata nuk flasin asnje fjale greqisht dmth qe ne More ne ate kohe eshte folur vetem shqip.Per ilustrim po te sugjeroj nje video te arberesheve te Italise ne youtube.
PO nqs ke shkuar ndonjehere do te shohesh qe ka edhe rruge qe quhen Himara dhe jane krenar qe jane shqipetar si dhe ne te njejten kohe ndihen edhe italiane pasi kane ndare fatin me to ! Une kam shok nga keto zona dhe jane me patriot se vete Shqipetaret e Shqiperise!
Greket kane ekzistuar dhe nuk mohon njeri ekzistencen e tyre por edhe te besosh ne perrala se Italia e jugut ishe nga ana racore Greke duhet jesh me te vertet naiv , pasi te mjafton te hapesh nje liber historie Italian apo te kerkosh disi me ne thellesi per keto argumente qe pak i interesojne Europianeve dhe do te shohesh se grekerit kishin vetem koloni, te cilat perhapen kulturen e tyre ne sicili kan qen kartagjenezet pastaj Arabet normandet Shqipetaret si dhe shumica, indigjenet e asaj toke
budelmonti po per c'fare periudhe e ke fjalen qe sicilia na paska qene greke? Apo para 2000 vjetesh ! a i ke hapur ndonjehere librat e historise ti , dhe a merr vesh se ai po flet per migrime te shekujve te 15 e me tej . Pastaj sicilainet nuk kane kulture greko fanatiko nacionaliste edhe sikur nje perqindje e vogel e tyre te rrjedhe nga to , ketu nuk flitet per steriotipe raciale , por per kultura te qyteterimeve aktuale!
Germans and italians have killed,raped hunderd of thousands of greeks not long ago and Greece has excellent relastioship with both.While when it comes to Albania, greek gov and church start recalling what happened in 1779-1823 etc and still keeping the Martial Law.What hipocrits!
"The commander of the 1st Infantry Regiment, Colonel Kurevelis who is an accomplished soldier and perfectly understands the kind of education the Greek soldier should have,has punished very severly great numbers of soldiers because of their using of the Albanian language,but this is a thing that not be done only by the Commander of a single regiment;on the contrary"
This is very deplorable habit which has furnished many arguments to our enemies who calumniate us by saying that our race is not homogeneous. It is, therefore, necessary that this habit be destroyed by all necessary and vigorous means."
"The majority of our soldiers speak to one another in the Albanian language in such a way a listener may imagine himself in the presence of soldiers of the King of Albania (the Prince of Wied), and not of the King of Greece, Constanti"
"The monthly magazine, Parnassos, of Athens, of February, 1916,makes the following intrestingstatement in connection with the mobilizationof the Greek army in that month: "Among the other disorders that are to be seen in our army, we noticed one of the most shocking which ought to have acttracted the attention of the high command of our military forces."
"The same may be said also in regard to the Greek army. The commanders, both of the sea and land forces, have repeatedly issued rigorous orders against the the use of the Albanian language by their men."
"They have,however,given a considerable number of prominent Albania leaders and
statesmen to modern Greece.M.Repoulis.the able Minister of the Interior in the Cabinet of M.Venizelos,is their most eminent man at the present time.The Greek Navy is,on the other hand,largely made up of the renowned seamen of the Albanian Islands,Hydra, Spetsai,Poros,Salamis and others,who use their native language even aboard the warships,as the population of the suburbs uses it in the streets of Athens."
une librat nuk kam nevoje ti mbaj perpara...sepse deri tani po te pergjigjem besoj ne kohe reale!!!dhe keto qe shkruaj jane referenca prej njerez historian qe merren me kete pune.
"Secondo Pausania, si trattava di Frigi e tutti quanti i loro miti ne confermavano l'origine troiana, mentre alcuni culti, tra cui quello di Afrodite e del cane, hanno fatto supporre un'origine orientale."
"Sipas Pusanit,duhet te ishin Frigjet dhe gjithe mitet e tyre konfermojne origjinen Trojane,ndersa disa kulte,ndermjet tyre ai i Aferdites dhe i Qenit(Epiri kishte nje stem dhe kult te qenit si dhe te Aferdites=DODONA)
po te lexosh me teper se tsatsiki&souvlaki historian...mund te mesosh qe Jelimet kane eksistuar qe fill mbas luftes se trojes....nejse je ende i ri dhe sapo ke hyre ne labirinthin grek...
Për mosmarrëveshje me qeverinë greke në vitin 1824 Kollokotronin e burgosin në ishullin e Hidrës dhe kërkonin dënimin e tij me vdekje. Në kujtimet e tij Kollokotroni, me të drejtë do të thotë: "Më vunë 9 muaj burg, pa parë askënd, përveç gardianëve. Kaq muaj nuk e dija ç'ndodhte jashtë, kush vdes, kë tjetër kanë burgosur. Nuk e dija përse më kishin burgosur. Kurrë nuk besoja se do të arrijnë në këtë shkallë të sajojnë dëshmitarë të rremë......."
"Deri kur zotërinj gjykatës, do të vazhdoni këtë sulmim barbar? Deri kur përndjekja e pamëshirshëm kundër atyre që çliruan, i ngritën lavdinë dhe vazhdojnë ti japin shkëlqim Greqisë......?" Por mbas disa muajsh kur Ibrahim Pasha i Egjyptit zbarkoi në More, Teodor Kollokotronin e nxjerrin me falje nga burgu dhe e shpallën kryekomandant të ushtrisë greke. Teodor Kollokotroni u vra në pabesi në vitin 1843.
ja ku me dole ore budelmonti...sepse gjerat i pashe me syte e mi dhe i degjova me veshet e mi!...a e di ti c'fare perjudhe urrejne me teper ne Sicili?....ATE BISANTINE dhe ate ARABE(per ata eshte e njejta gje=E BARABARTE!!!!
Kam bere disa fotografi dhe kam disa dokumente sidomos per JELIMET(besoj qe duhet t'a dish kush ishin Jelimet!?)A e di ti kush beson ne ballkan te kete prejardhjen nga JELIMET?_Pyetje per detyrat qe duhet te besh keto dite-----MOS ME THUAJ QE ISHIN GREKET E LASHTE----sepse ishin popullsia qe kane luftuar kunder grekeve....
she can feel pontian,bullgarian,serbian or whatever she likes...who's care?Fact is that people like she or some of them can't change the past(may be only trying "Back to the past" to change the things!!!!
We albanians claim that there are so many motherfuckers that try to to deny the truth!!!!!!Imagination is for them that live in the dreams:NO ALBANIAN-NO GREEK?!
LOL-FACTS ARE FACTS and nobody can be revisionist or can try to change the truth.If this girl feel more pontian then ARBEROR-ok no problem.But don't try to deny the past or try to change the things.There are so many historical facts about the past...
You arvanite?Please don't be silly to call yourself a descent of Kolokotroni,because he will turn in his grave,learning that an fellow "arvanite" is not teaching to his kids arvanitika.You are just an anti albanian as most greeks are.
The funny thing is that all arvanite's last names have a meaning is Albanian(not in greek).And yet you are saying you're greek.But you can call youself whatever you whant but you can not change your origine.I live in USA,have US citizenship and speak English,but it doesn't mean that I am American.Secondly,if you want to learn the truth about arvanites I suggest to read "Arvanites and the origine of Greeks" by Aristid P. Kolais.Also,read the work of Kostas Kazazis.Have e nice day!
You adopted our language???Where is the differencce between us?I am orthodox,my mother's tangue is Albanian like you(sorry Arvanitika for you what a difference!!!).Ohh there is a big difference between us.I was helping my muslim/catholic brothers in Kosova and you were ruling for Milosevich and his butchers.Aristid Kolais was the true and brave arvanite.You must honour him if you are arvanite.
We adopted your language????!!!...so arvanitika is an kinde of...greek lang.....or what....you are talking about?who is confuse now?LOL...arvanitika names have the meaning just in arvanitika and in albanian(no other lang. in the world.).If you are arvanites well.....just SHAME ON YOU for these words!-if you are greek...well-just ignore brainwashed people!
Take a look what this man did:watch?v=6yNBG6KCARM
All Arvanites will tell you the same thing. We are Greeks ! Don't call us Albanians ! The interest about the history comes from the similarity Arvanitiki / Albanian language. I searched and found that the today Albanian language , is a form of / Ancient Thracian language where the Arvanitiki is coming from.
Arvanites came from Thracia and Asia Minor . About Kolokotronis and how Greek he is read his memorabilia.
Yeah you are greek as much as serbs are french.You have to be claim EXTRA GREEK in order to be accepted as equal.I just can not understand you hatered toward albanians!I didn't stated in 1991 is was there even during Cold War when Albania didn't do anything to Greece.I think greeks hate everyone ecxept serbians and russians.I have meet arvanites here in USA and I have great respect for them.I have talked with them about a lot of things and they never jump in my throat when we disagreed.
The first Christian Albanian migrations to what is today Greek territory took place as early as the XI-XII centuries (Trudgill, 1975:5; Banfi, 1994:19), although the main ones most often mentioned in the bibliography happened in the XIV-XV centuries,
when Albanians were invited to settle in depopulated areas by their Byzantine, Catalan or Florentine rulers (Tsitsipis, 1994:1; Trudgill, 1975:5; Nakratzas, 1992:20-24 & 78-90; Banfi, 1994:19).
So, some have estimated that, when the Ottomans conquered the whole Greek territory in the XV century, some 45% of it was populated by Albanians (Trudgill, 1975:6). Another wave of Muslim Albanian migrations took place during the Ottoman period, mainly in the XVIII century (Trudgill, 1975:6; Banfi, 1994:19). All these Albanians are the ancestors of modern-day Arvanites in Central and Southern Greece.
As for the Arvanites of Epirus and Western Macedonia, they are considered to be part of the modern Albanian nation (Banfi, 1994:20), something which perhaps explains their self-identification as Shqiptars rather than Arberor.
When the modern Greek state was formed, the Albanian-speaking population and its language were called Albanian, even if those Christian Albanians were considered an integral part of the Greek nation and had played a decisive role in the War of Independence between 1821-1828 (Bartholdy, 1993; Bickford-Smith, 1993: 47; Embeirikos, 1994; Vakalopoulos, 1994:243-249).
"The object they [the Greeks] have in view is the hellenization of Albania. The whole of the southern portion carries its commerce through Janina, and the inhabitants regard this town as their capital. They fraternize easily with the Greeks." (continued)
"As yet, their aspirations to form a distinct nationality are thought to be weak and ill-defined, so that the Greeks hope with the possession of Janina to amalgamate the two races and gain over to the cause of hellenism the finest and most warlike race in South-Eastern Europe."
U r Greek! The albanian language is an after barbarian run greek language, that all!!!!
PANAYIOTIS DIAS
MrYERIMOS 11 months ago
U r Greek! The albanian language is an after barbarian run greek language, that all!!!!
PANAYIOTIS DIAS
MrYERIMOS 11 months ago
What a load of uneducated bullshit
dragonlady1970 1 year ago
this is for you arvaniti:if you are arvanitis than u speak the same mother language with albanians end diferent from new grek language.Like i know people who speak the same language are the same nations ..or not?So what do you say abaut that?
eina alithia oti oi arvanites den estanote kseni sti hora tus .i glosa tus einai oi glosa ton pellazgeon kai afto to ekoun apodhiksi ena soro anthropi ton gramaton opos Panagiotis Kupitoris iakovos thomopulos demetrio kamarda k lp.
MrAlfeko 2 years ago
I am of arvanitic origin
There is not just one word of truth in this video!Arvanites never fellt as minority in Greece and abd thats why they never complained for anything.People with hate ignorance and greedy intentions like you try to find allies in the people (the arvanites)who slaughtered in the revolution of 1821!In revolutionary and pro revolutionary Greece arvanites was something totally different from Albanians with whom we clashed many times!
PoseidonGRE 2 years ago
if u tell a japanese that he's chinese he'll probably do the same...but doesnt erase the fact that they are part of the same race
albomaniac 2 years ago 4
if you tell an Arvanitis that he is Albanian he will probably slit your throat in a blink of an eye.
japanesexxx 2 years ago
Alfa-Bhta-gama-delta GREEK-Matematik-histori-gewgrafi-fysik Greek-europa Greek,Demokrati GREEK _VOREIOS HPEIROS GREEK,FUCK YOU TOURKALBANIANS OR ARVANITIS:
lolakas555 3 years ago
lolakas kseris poios eimai etsi to leei kai to nickname mou SKAZMOSSSSSSS LOLAAAAA
GAMAOTOUSELLINES 2 years ago
Well, I know a lot of arvanites and greeks (the vast majority of them), who are sure that arvanites have nothing in common with albanians. Arvanitika is a tosk albanian dialect in the same way that english is a germanic language. Arvanitika is related to Greek to the extend that English is related to French or latin languages. That is the truth. However, Arvanites are definitely a greek tribe, both historically and culturally.Are you laughing with the nonsense you write?You really know thyself!
soisodoeht 3 years ago
--Hey--ARVANITES ARE DEFINITELY NOT A GREEK TRIBE---but if they like to be called GREEK-ETIOPIANS ,who cares ,they can call themself ,even chinese,Or CONGOLES,or ESKIMES,OR MY SHIT, that's ok,it's their personality and dignity----BUT THEY CAN'T CHANGE THEIR ORIGIN--THEY ARE ALBANIANS--THIS IS THE TRUTH-
Greeks don't understand a word in albanian-it's true that greek language is a DISTORTION OF ALBANIAN LANGUAGE--Like everything in GREEK'S IDENTITY--cuze ur identity is not greek,It's GREEK SALAD
aspetosi 3 years ago 4
Actually "Ethiopians" is a greek word and their tribe was famous for their civilization about 2,000 years, before Albanians were (Homer's Odyssey, Kingdom of Siba in Old Testament). So don't feel superior to Ethiopians, because of your skin-color. Nazism is not so popular in civilized world, you know!
So, since we, Greeks, are so Albanian-originating, why don't we merge our countries? It would be fun (for you)! Also, we have a saying in Greece: "A barking dog never bites"!
soisodoeht 3 years ago
Arvanites are proud Hellenes and if you call em Albanians they feel like calling em dogshite.
They get very angry.
japanesexxx 2 years ago
--Japanese------Arvanites are Japanese
---While Japanese are our shit--
--But don't get me wrong --I want to be Fair
---
--------------U are our shit when we are in Diarrhea--
--otherwise our shit is 100 times better than ur Shit-face-----------Got it?
aspetosi 2 years ago 4
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Arvanites are greeks and albanians are gypsies who collect our garbage every morning from the streets.
And u are a useless gay
japanesexxx 2 years ago
--No, no, don't be fooled like an idiot
----------- Arvanites are Japanese, t
----
------------While Greeks are Ethiopians, this is for sure
--And about me.--- Watch out ur Mana cuze, if I drll her ass u'll never find a Jatro so skilful that can fix her ass-----
aspetosi 2 years ago 8
ohhhhh what are you, Greek mixed with Japonese, cause I know greeks now have children with their Philippines housekeepers, and the offspring's are proud greeks who look like chitas...LOL
topallia 2 years ago 3
Most Greeks I know prefer to hump their Albanian housekeepers.
japanesexxx 2 years ago
Are you sure, cause they do not like housekeepers, they like something else! ;)
topallia 2 years ago 3
You mean Cholitas?
IanHunedoara8 2 years ago
Who knows man what to hell they want, but this Japanese guy is turning out to be more greek than the greeks..hahhahahah
topallia 2 years ago 3
LOL, do not talk non-sense cause my gadparents are Arvanites and they live in Greece, and are very proud to be who they are. They know they are not who the modern Greeks are, cause they are the ancient ones, they were the true people of Greece, and they speak Arvanite/Albanian that is their first mothers tongue.
topallia 2 years ago 3
Arvanitika und vlachisch sind zwei Dialekte, die viel mit griechisch zu tun haben. Ihre Wortschätze sind von der griechischen Sprache beeinflusst. Viele Wörter (mehr als du kann vorstellen) der arvanitischen Sprache haben griechische etymologie. Öffne ein Arvanitika-Lexikon. Persönnlich ich kann besser Arvanitika als andere völlig griechische Dialekte, wie Tsakonika oder Zypern-griechisch verstehen. Und ich bin nicht so dumm, wie du glaubst.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
tani e pash kete o fshatar i qelbur----une mutin ebej per ty qe je mut muti 400 brezash--po ti mos fol te thash ti vetem degjo dhe meri ere kesaj qe dhjes une per ty---dhe mos mu bej si i zgjuar--se ti nuk ke tru as sa koke e rockes sime--degjove --se s'kam kohe te kthej pergjigje nje bajge fshati si motra jote--ndaj mos me qi karrin--se nje si ty e pikturoj me shurre ,degjove--shkerdhate--po do tua presim gurmazin ke per te pare--do tua qim ato fshatarkat ke per te pare
aspetosi 3 years ago 4
Byron ist Engländer geboren und Grieche Held in Messologi gestorben, wo die Soulioten und die anderen Griechen (Romioi) kämpften, um Griechenland zu befreien. Wenn er glaubte, dass Grieche "kämpfen gegen die Wahrheit", wie du meinst, entweder er war verrückt oder du hast nicht seine Zitate verstanden.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
...I've read a lot of history books, mainly foreign (but not albanian), and I have a critical mind to evaluate the information. Denying talking to me, is a way to show that you've got no arguments to support your theories. That's definitely your problem, not mine. Adios, mi mafioso amigo. Buenas noches!
soisodoeht 3 years ago
U have never read a book about History-u are a quixotic mind,who knows nothing about anything
Ur history book begin at the ASS of ur priest and END AT HIS BALLS-
GREEKS ARE REALY A DISTORTION OF HUMAN NATURE GENETICALY AND MENTALY-U,GREEKS ARE LITERALY A HYBRID--and it's in the nature of a hybrid to have a warped sense of everithing
U DON'T KNOW TO READ,U KNOW ONLY TO GET DRILLED IN THE ASS-suffering from the distorion of human insticts--it's the main cause of ur sinister & quixtoic mind
aspetosi 3 years ago
You do know so much about the male human anatomy and the practice of gay sex! Have you mastered it in your home-country? Well done! You're so good at it...
soisodoeht 3 years ago
U are the most humiliated nation on the PLANET,about ur PEDERASTY.GREECE should be called GOMORRA
U claim to be christian,but u don't live up to the morals and virtues of the BIBLE--CUZE U ARE ALL GOMORRA-people
-----U use the BIble for POLITICAL REASON ,while u should use it for ur Pederasty-Infested Souls--
Greeks ARE NOT HUMAN BEING,GREEKS ARE FAGGG- BEING
---A SHAME OF MORALS OF HUMAN LIFE,SUFFERING FROM DISTORTION OF HUMAN INSTICTS
Greeks are the UPDATED VERSION OF GOMORRA PEOPLE
aspetosi 3 years ago
Meiner Meinung nach, das ist du, der keinen Plan von Geschichte und Politik hat. Ihr, die Albaner, schimpft die griechischen Geschichtebücher und ihr nennt ihnen griechisch-Propagandabiblen. Habt ihr sie gelesen? Was falsches ist dort geschrieben? Ihr beurteilt Griechen ohne sich zu wundern, ob die beschriebenen in den albanischen Geschichtebüchern Tatsachen wahr sind.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
Until 20th century there were no "albanian ortodox people". Only Romioi. That's a nationalistic invention of the ones that created Albania, as a country (Italia, Austrian Empire). You know history but you know only the history between 13th and 15th century. You ignore the rest of it. We know that Arvanites came in the 13th cent. from Northern Epiros, which according to us is greek since at least 1200 BC. I don't say to you what the greek "propaganda" tells, cause there's not such thing...
soisodoeht 3 years ago
Until 20 centurey there waere no Albanian ortodox???? hahahahaha Where have u find this, --in the ass of ur grrek priest?--But ALBANIAN ORTHODOX OF Negovani in North of GREECE fought against greek priests in Negovan--and ALBANIA HAS,THE MAJORITY OF HER RENAISSANCE SCHOLARS,ORTHODOX--THE FATHER OF ALBANIAN ORTODOX CHURCHE IS ALBANIAN,his name is FAN NOLI--
How u do u know what kind of history we know---While I see here in u tube- GREEKS ARE THE MOST RIDICULOUS PEOPLE IN HISTORY-U ARE A SHAME
aspetosi 3 years ago 3
... denn wir haben hellenische Herkunft und wir alle sprechen hellenisch, entweder du willst oder nicht. Georgios Kastriotis wollte auch König der Romioi werden, obwohl sie meinen, dass er Albaner war. Du hast nicht recht, wenn du sagst, dass nur Arvaniten eine "andere Sprache" sprechen. Die Vlachen sind ein anderes Beispiel.Ebenso, viele Bevölkerungsgruppen spechen griechische Dialekte, die unverständlich für einen Athener sind, wie die Tsakonen, die Kreten, die Dodekanesen usw.
viele Be
soisodoeht 3 years ago
--Don't play the fool u idiot--the greek right wing was pro nazis---But england took them to the ALLIANCE--cuze in Jalta between Stalin and Churchill was decided that GREEC TO BE on the west,and England did not want to collaborate with partisans,so they took back ZERV and his force,only in a simbolic way,to justify her war against GREK COMMUNISTS---Cuze british forces began ti behave like Conqueror in Greece and Rusvelt told Churchil :u don't have any right to act like CONQUEROR
aspetosi 3 years ago
I don't play the fool. The greek right wing was never pro nazis! You ignore the illegal presence of English, New Zelander etc. soldiers (hidden by greek civilians) that cooperated with the partisans against the Nazis before 1944. In 1944 the Nazis left Greece. After Jalta (end of WW2), I agree with you about England and its role in Greece (civil war).
soisodoeht 3 years ago
Die Arvaniten wurden zu zeiten des byzants Romioi genannt, wie alle die Griechen dieser Zeit. Vom 4. bis zum 19. Jahrhundert gab es nur Romioi: keine Griechen, keine Arvaniten, keine Vlachen. Romioi waren die orthodoxen Christen bürger des ostlichen Romäischen Reiches, die hellenische Herkunft hatten, und die die hellenishe Sprache mindestens in der Kirche nutzten. Wir haben unseren Name geändert, weil wir unsere Vergangenheit zu den Europäern errinern wollten. So, wir sind Hellenes,...
soisodoeht 3 years ago
Edo mou apantas sta germanika kai me paideveis, eno esy xereis ellinika kai ego echo 1 chrono na miliso germanika! Pes mou, loipon, ti na sympathiso ego meta apo sena? To sadismo sou? Oso gia to greekhelsiniki kai tis malakies pou leei tha sou apantiso os exis: pes mou poios dinei ta lefta gia na yparxei to greekhelsiniki? Ama to vreis echeis kai tin apantisi mou.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
... me tous allous Ellines. Alla den einai to idio ethnos. Oi Alvanoi ekanan epiloges (filia me Tourkous) stin istoria diaforetikes apo tous Arvanites kai tous allous Ellines.Den echei shesi me aftous pou irthan to '90 stin Ellada. I ethnotiki diafora yparxei apo to 1821. 200 chronia imaste "ehthroi", den boroume tora na ginoume "aderfia" kai oute theloume, giati de sas ebistevomaste pleon. Oute mia fora de mas ypostirixate, alla symmahousate me tous ehthrous mas kai mas polemousate...
soisodoeht 3 years ago
Profanos den exeis dei Arvanites sti zoi sou. Tha sou po gia tous pappoudes mou kai to soi tous: kontoi os metrii, melahrini kai adinatoi. Ego den boro na xehoriso Arvaniti apo Pontio oute apo Kritiko. Tous Alvanous tous Gegides tous xehorizo amesos (einai xanthoi ke ehoun alla haraktiristika). Episis, oi Arvanites stin Ellada milane kyrios ellinika kai kapioi arvanitika kai den legontai shqip, alla Arvanites. Borei kapioi Alvanoi na echoun idia katagodi me tous Arvanites alla kai...
soisodoeht 3 years ago
--QEPE TI OR FSHATAR I QELBUR--SE KOKA JOTE PREJ BUJKU KA TRU ME PAK SE KOK E ROCKES SIME--ti je nje cope krimb qe ndersa vegjeton ne mutin grek i merr ere mutit tim edhe haj nga pak se te ben mire te kethen nga kakerdhi fshati ne nje cope muti--ndaj ti mos me caj karin e me bej te zgjuarin se do te ta gjej ate vrimen ku fshihesh ne SARAND e dote qi ate motren--u bere ti shkerdhat te flasesh--ti duhet vetem te degjosh dhe ti lash veshet mire para se te degjosh fjalet tona,mut i mutit 400 breza
aspetosi 3 years ago
Meine Großeltern sprechen auf griechisch und auch auf arvanitika im Dorf. Das ist vielleicht eine Überraschung für dich, aber das ist die Wahrheit. Sie fühlen sich Griechen und ihre Urgroßeltern haben mit den anderen Griechen gegen die Türken und ihre Albane Soldaten gekämpft.Sein Arvanit und sein Grieche ist bei uns egal. Wir kennen unsere Herkunft und niemand kann uns beweisen, dass wir Albane sind. Eine Dialekt ist kein Beweis für unsere ethnische Identität. Unsere Geschichte ist der Beweis.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
degjo ore bajge e qelbur fshati---ti nuk i kupton keto pune se truri yt eshte si hale ku pranon vetem mutin qe del nga bytha e grekeve---Doaj te te ktheja pergjigje atje tek ai greku,por ai me bllokoi ,por ju sminjte grekut jeni deficent dhe te vjen per te vjelle te diskutosh me ju qe perserisni si papagalle budalleqet e propagandes me qesharake ne bote,asaj greke-biles me ju edhe greket tallin karin
te mesoj nga ty-Po ti je mut muti 400 brezash or te qifhsa ate motren, ku di ti,ti je nej gdhe
aspetosi 3 years ago
We, greeks, cannot be friends with people that they oppresed and slaughtered us some decades ago (Albanians-1944, Bulgarians-1903, Turks-1922 and 1974). We can be good neighbours and we try to be, although all these try for the opposite. We are not ennemies with Macedonians, as noone is ennemy with himself. Our Prime Minister is actually Macedonian. Also we are good friends with French and Germans. Jeane Carthner is obviously anti-greek.If we feared of sb we'd pretend to be friends of everybody.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
The only who commited a masacre after WWII,were GREECE, THAT killed men,women,children of albanian minority who used to live in NORTH OF GREECE--and this fact is accepted from AMERICAN CONGRES ON THAT TIME---On the other side GREECE IS THE ONLY COUNTRY WHO HAS A TERRORIST ORGANISATION affiliated with arab terrrorists,called "NOVEMBER 17"
ABOUT U ARVANITES--U ARE THE ONLY POPULATION IN THE WORLD,WHERE THE NAME:-HUMAN BEING- IS A ........------FIGURE OF SPEECH------
U ARE RIDICULOUS
aspetosi 3 years ago
Greece never killed men, women and children. The Chams were Greek citizens and instead of respecting their neighbors, they cooperated with the fascist Italians and the Nazis, betraying their country and the Greeks, and commited a series of crimes against Greeks and Romaniotes Jews along with the Nazis.During the Nazi Occupation of Greece the greek partisans resisted them and revenged many of them and their Nazi "bosses".After WW2, the greek courts sentenced the Cham men who betrayed Greece to...
soisodoeht 3 years ago
... death. The cham men were so coward, that they didn't even show up in the courts nad they took their women and children and left to Albania. Hoxa was aware of their crimes, and that's why all these years he didn't use them as an irredentist "trojan horse" against Greece, although Greece was in war with Albania until the 80s. I don't get your point about Arvanites... maybe we are idiots except for ridiculous. But, we've never been tradors, coward and fascists.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
Soisodoeht---what u saying is a bullshit--like everything in today greek propaganda--
CHAMS fought against Nazis ,side by side with greek partisans---u ,idiot should know that in Greece, only greek communists fought against nazis--AND GREEK COMMUNISTS DECLARED IN THAT TIME THAT --CHAMS DID FIGHT AGAINST NAZIS--THIS IS THE TRUTH---While ZERVA and his forces were PRO NAZIS----,But, BRITISH FORCES COOPERATED WITH ZERVA,cuze they did not like communists,and they fought against greek communist
aspetosi 3 years ago
Chams did never fight against Nazis. Zervas with EDES cooperated in 1942 with ELAS, the communist partisans, and the British to explode the bridge of Gorgopotamos. He also proposed the Chams to leave the Nazi-side and resist them but they refused. Zervas and the Communists had conflicts when the Nazis were about to abandon Greece and after the Nazi-Occupation. I know exactly what I say. If I ignored the facts, I'd say nothing at all.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
--ZERVA was pro NAZIS----this is published in the documents of greek communist party,they have posted even in U tube a video about the collaboration of ZERVA with Nazis-ZERVA was a ridiculous army,he had only 3,000 men;comunists had 20,000 men
AND GREEK COMMUNIST PARTY PUBLISHED IN 1944 E DECLARATE WHERE THEY SAY:--Chams Did Fight AGAINST Nazis with their Brigade,side by side with greek partisans---this is accepted by the commander in chief of greek partisans in NORTH OF GREECE,PETRITIS
aspetosi 3 years ago
GREECE KILLEd DURING THE WWII about 90,000 JEWS---this figure is according to the book of crimes against jews during the WWII, of israel governement-While at the end of WWII,greek forces commited massacre and an ethnic cleansing in SOUTH EPIR,NORTH OF GREECE,KILLing 10,000 ALBANIAN CHAMS ,who were MEN,WOMEN,CHIDREN,SENIOR CITIZENS---and later on GREEK STATE COMMITED CRIMES OF ETHNIC CLEANSING AGAINST SLAVO-MACEDONIANS KILLIN THOUSANDS OF THEM-American Congres and UN mention these HORRIBLE facts
aspetosi 3 years ago
Greece was under Nazi, Italian and Bulgarian occupation from 1941 until 1944. The Jews were sent to concentration camps by the Nazis and their allies. The Chams were the ones to help the Nazis to capture the majority of Romaniotes Jews living in the city of Ioannina. Ask any Jew to tell you the role of Greeks towards the jewish communint during WW2. Nikola Sarkozy himself has jewish origins from Thessalonike and he is one of the constant supporters of the greek positions.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
--Hay idiot---- go open the book of JEWISH DIASPORA -
GREECE IS ON THE SECOND PLACE...
....after the nazi-germans,about the killing of JEWS-
----90,000 JEWS HAVE BEN KILLED FROM GREEKS DURING THE WWII
THIS FACT IS WORLD WIDE KNOWN---ASK ANY JEW,HE KNOWS THIS FACT
About chams--u massacred chams,because ENGLAND SUPPORTED U IN THIS MASSACRE,cuze greek forces of right wing were some ridiculous forces who were serving Nazis,but Britany supported them against grek communists and against chams
aspetosi 3 years ago
So greek right forces supported both the Nazis and the British in the same period of time, while Hitler was trying to invade Great Britain? Greece was not a state during the Nazi occupation: Athens, Thessalonike, Evros and Crete was occupied by the Nazis, Thace and Eastern Macedonia by the Bulgarians, and Epiros and the rest of Greece by the fascist Italians along with their Albanian allies. When Italians surrendered, Albanians continued their cooperation with the Nazis...
soisodoeht 3 years ago
... and the latter succeeded the fascists in the rest of Greece. Greece (a country) cannot stand up and kill Jews. You can ask any Jew originating from Greece, to tell you the role of christian greeks during the WW2. Even the greek christian archbishop of Athens saved a lot of Jews, and Israel has recognised him as benefactor of the Jews. Until 1946 the communists were legal in Greece. So, even if the Chams were partisans along with the communists, why did they leave Greece in 1944?...
soisodoeht 3 years ago
Only Cham Albanian men, who had supported the Nazis, were killed by Zervas as a revenge for the civilian victims of their criminal actions. They were definitely less than 10,000. After WW2, between 1946-1949, a civil war took place in Greece between the communists and the rightists. The rightists with the support of Americans and British won the communists. The communist victims were not Slavomacedonians but greek communists from all Greece
soisodoeht 3 years ago
Personally, I ignore what the American Congres and UN support about those supposed "facts". You can give me a link with their statements to give you a suitable answer. Until then I have the right to doubt what you write in your comment (I mean about the American Congres and UN).
soisodoeht 3 years ago
U can doubt my words,and it insult the intelect of my ass,epsecialy with what u saying,cuze ur Bible of truth is every-shit coming out of the greek priest's dick friendly ass-U ARE NATION WHO USE THE ECCLESIASTICAL IDENTITY LIKE HIS IDENTITY,CUZE U DON'T EXIST LIKE A HOMOGENOUS NATION---GREEK NATION IS LIKE PUBLIC BATHROOM WHERE ALL THE MIDDLE EASTERN PEOPLES GO AND SHIT THERE AND FROM THEIR SHIT IS CREATED A HYBRID & DISGUSTING NATION : GREEKS--WHO STRRUGLE AGAINST THE TRUTH--as Byron said.
aspetosi 3 years ago
Byron is the one who died in Messologhi (1826) fighting for the freedom of the Greek nation, isn't he? He must have been a psycho, if he strugled for a "HYBRID & DISGUSTING NATION". That "HYBRID & DISGUSTING NATION" is as homogenous as Turks, Russians, French, British, Spanish, Italians, Germans etc. are and much more homogenous than Chinese, Indians, Americans, Bosnians, Swiss etc. are. The religion identity is used even by Americans, who support that muslims cannot be Americans (Obama).
soisodoeht 3 years ago
----Lord BYRON----was not a racist---and when someone fight for his freedom no matter if he is a worm like u greeks,what it does matter is the FREEDOM TO BE GIVEN TO A HUMAN BEING----------but u go check out the book of Lord Byron than come here and give ur "outstanding" speech
aspetosi 3 years ago 3
Fan_Noli (January 6, 1882 - March 13, 1965). Did Theofan Stilian Noli (wholy greek name!WOW!) found the "Albanian Orthodox Church" before 1900 AD?20th century=from 1901 until 2000! What a surprise for you?
So, we are a shame? for whom? Maybe the whole western world that contacted the civilization and science (at last) in 1453 though greek immigrants!
soisodoeht 3 years ago
So what??If he has a greek name is a greek????ur prime minister with a turkish name KARAMANLIs is a turkish;ur EX-PRESIDENT SIMITIs is a turkish,or KARAXHAFAERRIs is a turkish according to ur arxidia theory,a?
GREEK,Figa ore to ETIOPIA,in the south of SAHARA-IT'S UR GENUINE HOME COUNTRY,over there fight for THE Freedom of NORTH SAHRA
GREEK U ARE AN ASS
THE RENAISSANCE OF EUROPE TOOK PLACE FIRST IN ITALY, than in FRANCE and so on,while GREECE WAS A COLLABORATOR OF OTTOMANS with its CHURCHE
aspetosi 3 years ago
For Lord Byron see the article for him in wikipedia.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
-hey idiot--what wikipedia are u talking about---go read THE SELECTED POEMS-It's in every Library;in this book of LORD BYRON U WILL LEARN THE TRUTH that GREEKS ARE THE MOST COWARDS,RIDICULOUS AND DISGUSTING PEOPLE,EVER---This is the OPINION of all FOREIDN DIPLOMATS IN ATHENS IN 1810-------
It's written in plain english at "Childe Harold's Pilgrimage"--while about ALBANIANS he says " ...ARE THE BEST RACE IN EUROPE..." GO CHECK IT OUT--GO!!!--U WORMS of MANKIND dare to speak ill about us
aspetosi 3 years ago
We, the Arvanites, are very proud to be Greeks. That's why, we don't wanna be a minority. The chams are not a minority in Greece. Maybe a minority in Albania, but not in Greece. They have no greek citizenship since they betrayed the greek state during the period 1941-1944, when they cooperated with the fascist Italians and the Nazis against their greek neighbors. The legal greek courts sentenced the majority of the Cham men to death, but they were so coward that they left Greece to Albania.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
ky fshatari i qelbur po ben popagande te holle--o te qifsha greket ne bythe me keq se c'qihen--u bete ju mut e mutit te ardhur nga Etiopia te flsini per Arvanitasit---fshatari qelbur te qifsha ate fshaterken ne vere te bithes
aspetosi 3 years ago
elikranon-eshte hera e dyte qe te paralajmeroje per propagande te qelqur qe bene ne videot e mia....nuk ka per te pasur here te trete!Do jesh i bllokuar!PIKE dhe nuk zgjatem me.Leri karlliqet e propagandes greke.
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
ARVANITES ARE GREEKS ask the arvanites associations in athens&elswhere
visit BythegkourasPylios videos for the truth
Albanian videos are fake
as well as the "European community" reports
NefeliDanai 3 years ago
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mostatito 3 years ago
gjysma e videaos nuk te duket..
belon83 3 years ago
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sygxroni ellada apo tin epanastasi tou 21 katoikeitai apo:
1. slavous(makedonia,thessalia,voreia sterea,ketriki kai dytiki peloponiso)
2. vlaxous-roumanous(thessalia,dytiki makedonia,metsovo,zagoroxoria kai stin voreia sterea)
3. arvanites-albanous(ipiro,anatoliki sterea, attiki,notia evia,anatoliki peloponiso(argolida-korinthia)kai ta nisia poros,spetses,ydra,salamina kai andros)
4.xristianous tourkous kai lazous (oloi oi prosfyges tou 22)
5.arabes kai kourdous stin mani kai stin kriti
greekmadnessss 3 years ago
NAten dhe mi bej te fala atij CapitainSM se na ka marre malli!
alketux 3 years ago
Te gjithe Greket duan te jene Turq por c'ti besh ?
alketux 3 years ago
Te mjafton nese te them se jemi Shqipetar! Apo u transformove prape tani? Vete greket thone se jane Turq nuk eshte se e thashe une!
alketux 3 years ago
E rruajt zoti budallane!!!
C'fare lidhje ka c'fare thote Ozali me Shqipetaret ? Meqenese Greket thone se homeri qe Grek dhe TUrket thone se qe Turk pse nuk e quajne veten Greket turk meqe homeri u quante OMAR!
alketux 3 years ago
E di ate barcaleten me Grekun dhe Shqipetarin?
Te dy mburreshin se kush kish kulturen me te lashte apo heroin me te madh. Njeri thoshte xx tjetri thoshte yyy .. e keshtu me rradhe deri sa Greku tha se ne kemi shpikur seksin! Athere Shqipetari u pergjigj se kjo qe e vertete por ishim ne shqipetaret qe e praktikuam te paret!
alketux 3 years ago
"Gjer ne Marseje kishin arritur" pa pa pa sa te zote paskan qene mor vella! Po akoma skishin shkuar ne te arushes e te kishim shpetuar te gjithe nga keto budalleqe qe po degjojme sot prej teje kapterr!
alketux 3 years ago
e nejse more budelmonti...une personalisht disa si puna juaj edhe ju kuptoj(por nuk ju marr vesh) pasi e thote edhe fjale vete:tradhetia- tradheti,paraja te veje dhe te vi.
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
Po tema tjeter ku do hidhesh kapterr(po ta huazoj pak termin mallakastriot) kush eshte ? Ndoshta do flasesh edhe per nikoqirllekun apo per zhdukjen e dinosaurve vetem e vetem te mbrosh verberisht propaganden tende!
alketux 3 years ago
Shumica e popullesise se lashte greke ndodhej ne territorin e Turqise se sotme se atje kishte me pjellori si dhe qe qendra e perandorise bizantine! Turqitt e sotem jane me grek se ju!
alketux 3 years ago
Grekerit e lashte , jane shumica e Turqeve te sotem!
alketux 3 years ago
Pse pikerisht dy shekujt e fundit apo eshte Etaloni ISO i propaganda greke per te gjykuar kete pjese te historise ndersa Sicilianet e sotem na i quaje Grek si dhe here tjeter ke then se edhe tosket kan qene te tille!
alketux 3 years ago
budelmonti je shume jokoherent, dhe me se fundi arrite te tregosh verberine e llogjikes tende propaganduese, kur deri pak me pare thoje se keto apo ato jane grek se keshtu kan qene ne te shkuaren ndersa tani thua se mjafton qe sot jane grek!
alketux 3 years ago
PO c'fare do te thote te jesh grek?
alketux 3 years ago
...hahahahaa...lere alketux se ja beme mendjen dhalle te gjorit!lere ore budelmonti kete muhabet se nuk "hane" pyke nga manipulimet e grekut-"turkoshqiptari"-mallakastrioti dhe "greko ortodoksi"-alketux....hahahaaaa...
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
Na bashkon fati qe jemi ALbanian-barbarians vella pa feja nuk ka rendesi! LoL
alketux 3 years ago
Fjale te sakta-por vetem po ironizoja kapterrin(sepse ai na quan keshtu!)
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
Nuk duron shqipja ate njgjyre more budelmonti...joooo...se shqipja i hap krahet vetem ne njgjyre te kuqe!Eshte Shqiponje qe ka fluturuar gjithmone lert ajo dhe veshtire t'a neneshtrosh!
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
Edhe tek breket nuk shkon ajo ngjyre bardh e blu qe kane keto!
alketux 3 years ago
...hmmmmm...tani edhe thua qe nuk lexon edhe do te na besh kopetent ketu...
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
Ti do te thuash se meqenese ARvanitasit kan shkuar ne Greqi shume shekuj me pare se Greket ne Amerike(te cilet u asimiluan) dhe prape nuk ishin asimiluar komplet por perbenin nje pjese te mire te popullesise Greke , imagjino sa shume qe ishin kur emigruan dhe sa kompakt. PAstaj kjo trgon se tosket kane qene gjithnje Shqipetar meqenese gjuha dhe kultura qe e tille!
alketux 3 years ago
une behem grek por vetem me nje kusht qe ne sheshin omonia te valvitet flamuri kuq e zi dhe himni shqiptar te kendohet para c'do njgjarje!
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
Ahaaa p... p... se lirohesh i them une kesaj!
alketux 3 years ago
Tani ore budelmonti qe t'a marresh vesh zotrote kjo puna e greqizimit ne trojet tona te lashta nuk behet me dredheri apo me dinakeri...si i behet puna valle ndryshe se per burreri nga ato ane qe jeton ti nuk ka dhe dyfekun e kane shkrepur vetem shqiptaret!si thua zotrote,si do na greqizoni-apo do ju shqiptarizojme ne?!
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
Ti mor vella kalon nga sulmi ne mbrojtje sikur te ishe me skleroze, harrove se deri tani po shikoje vetem grek gjithandej! Nuk besoj se eshte gabim te thuash qe arvanitasit jane popullesi me kulture gjuhe dhe prejardhje te njejte me shqipetaret . Pastaj nese ndonjeri do te quhet Grek le ta beje por pa krijuar paragjykime mbi ke do te quhet edhe Shqipetar
alketux 3 years ago
E mire xhanem...eshte politike e vjeter kjo qe Toskerine kerkoni t'a greqizoni...por do keni shum probleme me Laberine,Mallakastren Camerine dhe gjithe Shqiptarine per kete pune more budelmonti dyfek pa gjalm...
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
mallakastrioti mos ma harro Permetin Vella ne ate liste se e kam pike te dobet!! LoL
alketux 3 years ago
hahahaa...e lashe menjane me dashje sepse e dije qe do reagoje vella!
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
Na i nxorren dhe kockat e femijeve dhe grave te vdekurva ne Kosine e thane se jane ushtar Grek! Nuk e di me c'mendesi dhe me c'te drejte justifikon ky Budeli keto politika greke!
alketux 3 years ago
Ne shume zona te greqise arvanitasit ishin popullesi kompakte duke lene menjane Camerine qe ishin shqipetar te mirfillte dihet qe Beotia kishte shumice shqipetare pasi shqipetaret u ftuan meqe Grekerit(ish sllavet) kishin vdekur nga epidemite dhe i duheshin krah pune!
alketux 3 years ago
Edhe une nuk desha te shkoja tek ADN por kur ti me thua qe Sicilianet jane Grek athere e vetmi shpjegim qe mund ti bej kesaj fraze eshte se ti mendon se atoj jane grek nga ADN pasi sot flasin te gjithe gjuhe LAtine! Per sa i perket Arvanitasve sic e thashe nese ato nuk jane me Shqipetar 100% athere edhe Greket nuk jane Grek . Une jam i mendimit te mos quhen as Grek as SHqipetar te gjith banoret e Greqise por te quhet shteti Greko-Shqipetar dhe banoret Grekoshqi!
alketux 3 years ago
Sa per kuriozitetin e djalit bbudelmont: Genetic structure of the population of Sicily:These data indicate a close relationship between Sicily and southern Italy. In addition, the contribution of Middle Eastern populations to the gene pool of Sicily was evident. Pra Siciljanet jane Italik + Arabe nga DNA dhe kane kulture dhe gjuhe Italiane! Ku na i nxorre Grek ti sicilianet, apo e bete zakon te shpifni Greket nga vakumi?
alketux 3 years ago
Pse nuk duhen quajtur Arvanitasit si Shqipetare?
1 sepse ne perjudhat e fundit jane martuar me Grekerit apo nga ana kulturore (Gjuha tradita muzika etj)
alketux 3 years ago
degjo more djalooo (te kishim bere muhabet me gjithe gomeret e greqise do kishin nxene pa tjeter der tani)...qe politika e asimilimit ka funksionuar deri tani ne ate shtet kurve qe bene pjese zotrote,kete nuk e luan as topi.
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
Po edhe te quash Grekerit Grek athere pasi kane patur perzjerje me arvanitet Shqipetar ne origjine!
alketux 3 years ago
Per sa i perket Arberesherve ne Itali ne nuk pretendojme se Italianet jane Shqipetar por duam te te bejme te kuptosh se ato persona qe emigruan nga Epiri dhe morea shume shekuj me pare ishin Shqipetare dhe jo Grek!
alketux 3 years ago
budelmonti a merr vesh apo nuk di te lexosh se asnjeri nuk mohen se nuk ka patur Greke ne Itali por te arrish te thuash se Sicilianet jane Grek eshte absurde pasi ne ate toke shumica ishin dhe jane indigjen pastaj ka patur emigrime shume here me masive se ato greke ne keto toka . Per sa i perket magnia grecia sipas studuesve italiane grekerit e ketyre zonave jane te perjudhes bizantine edhe pse ne te kaluaren ne te njejtat zona ka patur greke!
alketux 3 years ago
Mallakastres i qan shpirti per gjithe njerezine(edhe pse disa si puna jote nuk i kuptojne keto gjera)...por mallakastra inatoset teper kur disa dhelparak kerkojne te lujn politiken e dinakerise ne kurriz te atyre qe nuk kane teper force!
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
Le origini
Dopo la colonizzazione del Mar Egeo e delle coste dell'Asia Minore, tra l'VIII ed il VII secolo a.C., gente di civiltà greche (mercanti, contadini, allevatori, artigiani), comparve nella parte meridionale dell'Italia (le attuali Basilicata, Calabria, Campania e parte della Puglia) nell'ambito di un flusso migratorio originato da singole città della comunità greca, o
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
motivato sia dall'interesse per lo sviluppo delle attività commerciali, che da tensioni sociali dovute all'incremento della popolazione a cui la magra produzione agricola non riusciva a dare sostentament
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
Tani une nuk pretendoj te perkyhesh te gjithe kete qe shkrova...por vetem kuptimin e fjales "colonizzazione"(kolonizim)...
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
budelmonti e ke degjuar kengen "O e bukura More"?Ajo kendohet vetem ne gjuhen arbereshe jo ne greqisht.Arbereshet e Italise kane ardhur nga Morea ne 1461.Ata nuk flasin asnje fjale greqisht dmth qe ne More ne ate kohe eshte folur vetem shqip.Per ilustrim po te sugjeroj nje video te arberesheve te Italise ne youtube.
Albani1111 3 years ago
PO nqs ke shkuar ndonjehere do te shohesh qe ka edhe rruge qe quhen Himara dhe jane krenar qe jane shqipetar si dhe ne te njejten kohe ndihen edhe italiane pasi kane ndare fatin me to ! Une kam shok nga keto zona dhe jane me patriot se vete Shqipetaret e Shqiperise!
alketux 3 years ago
Greket kane ekzistuar dhe nuk mohon njeri ekzistencen e tyre por edhe te besosh ne perrala se Italia e jugut ishe nga ana racore Greke duhet jesh me te vertet naiv , pasi te mjafton te hapesh nje liber historie Italian apo te kerkosh disi me ne thellesi per keto argumente qe pak i interesojne Europianeve dhe do te shohesh se grekerit kishin vetem koloni, te cilat perhapen kulturen e tyre ne sicili kan qen kartagjenezet pastaj Arabet normandet Shqipetaret si dhe shumica, indigjenet e asaj toke
alketux 3 years ago
budelmonti po per c'fare periudhe e ke fjalen qe sicilia na paska qene greke? Apo para 2000 vjetesh ! a i ke hapur ndonjehere librat e historise ti , dhe a merr vesh se ai po flet per migrime te shekujve te 15 e me tej . Pastaj sicilainet nuk kane kulture greko fanatiko nacionaliste edhe sikur nje perqindje e vogel e tyre te rrjedhe nga to , ketu nuk flitet per steriotipe raciale , por per kultura te qyteterimeve aktuale!
alketux 3 years ago
Por banoret italiane te Sicilise e thone me krenari qe kane rrenje shqiptare!
Albani1111 3 years ago
Germans and italians have killed,raped hunderd of thousands of greeks not long ago and Greece has excellent relastioship with both.While when it comes to Albania, greek gov and church start recalling what happened in 1779-1823 etc and still keeping the Martial Law.What hipocrits!
Albani1111 3 years ago
While most of arvanites did the opposite.The difference is the gov. where they live.
Albani1111 3 years ago
Arberesh started albanian renaissance and they were the first to lobby for Kosova's independence.
Albani1111 3 years ago
"all the commanders should unite their efforts and take the most effective measures for the suppressions of this discordant note in our army."
alketux 3 years ago
"The commander of the 1st Infantry Regiment, Colonel Kurevelis who is an accomplished soldier and perfectly understands the kind of education the Greek soldier should have,has punished very severly great numbers of soldiers because of their using of the Albanian language,but this is a thing that not be done only by the Commander of a single regiment;on the contrary"
alketux 3 years ago
This is very deplorable habit which has furnished many arguments to our enemies who calumniate us by saying that our race is not homogeneous. It is, therefore, necessary that this habit be destroyed by all necessary and vigorous means."
alketux 3 years ago
"The majority of our soldiers speak to one another in the Albanian language in such a way a listener may imagine himself in the presence of soldiers of the King of Albania (the Prince of Wied), and not of the King of Greece, Constanti"
alketux 3 years ago
"The monthly magazine, Parnassos, of Athens, of February, 1916,makes the following intrestingstatement in connection with the mobilizationof the Greek army in that month: "Among the other disorders that are to be seen in our army, we noticed one of the most shocking which ought to have acttracted the attention of the high command of our military forces."
alketux 3 years ago
"The same may be said also in regard to the Greek army. The commanders, both of the sea and land forces, have repeatedly issued rigorous orders against the the use of the Albanian language by their men."
alketux 3 years ago
"They have,however,given a considerable number of prominent Albania leaders and
statesmen to modern Greece.M.Repoulis.the able Minister of the Interior in the Cabinet of M.Venizelos,is their most eminent man at the present time.The Greek Navy is,on the other hand,largely made up of the renowned seamen of the Albanian Islands,Hydra, Spetsai,Poros,Salamis and others,who use their native language even aboard the warships,as the population of the suburbs uses it in the streets of Athens."
alketux 3 years ago
budelmonti: Per sa i perket presionit ndaj gjuhes se Arvanitasve mund te lexohet ne gazetat e kohes ne greqi
alketux 3 years ago
ku pane qe dikush i mashtroi dhe i perdori...c'do beje ti ne vendin e tyre?
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
une librat nuk kam nevoje ti mbaj perpara...sepse deri tani po te pergjigjem besoj ne kohe reale!!!dhe keto qe shkruaj jane referenca prej njerez historian qe merren me kete pune.
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
"Secondo Pausania, si trattava di Frigi e tutti quanti i loro miti ne confermavano l'origine troiana, mentre alcuni culti, tra cui quello di Afrodite e del cane, hanno fatto supporre un'origine orientale."
"Sipas Pusanit,duhet te ishin Frigjet dhe gjithe mitet e tyre konfermojne origjinen Trojane,ndersa disa kulte,ndermjet tyre ai i Aferdites dhe i Qenit(Epiri kishte nje stem dhe kult te qenit si dhe te Aferdites=DODONA)
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
po burgjet kush i drejtonte????---vllehet?
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
e more "kapedana"...pa libra dhe pa pisqolla qe jini ju grekerit e sotshem!!!!e dridhni bishtin si dhelpra por truri po ju zvogelohet dita-dites!
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
po te lexosh me teper se tsatsiki&souvlaki historian...mund te mesosh qe Jelimet kane eksistuar qe fill mbas luftes se trojes....nejse je ende i ri dhe sapo ke hyre ne labirinthin grek...
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
Për mosmarrëveshje me qeverinë greke në vitin 1824 Kollokotronin e burgosin në ishullin e Hidrës dhe kërkonin dënimin e tij me vdekje. Në kujtimet e tij Kollokotroni, me të drejtë do të thotë: "Më vunë 9 muaj burg, pa parë askënd, përveç gardianëve. Kaq muaj nuk e dija ç'ndodhte jashtë, kush vdes, kë tjetër kanë burgosur. Nuk e dija përse më kishin burgosur. Kurrë nuk besoja se do të arrijnë në këtë shkallë të sajojnë dëshmitarë të rremë......."
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
Avokati mbrojtës Klonari - tha në fjalën e tij.
"Deri kur zotërinj gjykatës, do të vazhdoni këtë sulmim barbar? Deri kur përndjekja e pamëshirshëm kundër atyre që çliruan, i ngritën lavdinë dhe vazhdojnë ti japin shkëlqim Greqisë......?" Por mbas disa muajsh kur Ibrahim Pasha i Egjyptit zbarkoi në More, Teodor Kollokotronin e nxjerrin me falje nga burgu dhe e shpallën kryekomandant të ushtrisë greke. Teodor Kollokotroni u vra në pabesi në vitin 1843.
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
lexo me teper rreth Sicilise(sepse nuk para e konsiderojne shume veten italian...sicilianet!
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
ja ku me dole ore budelmonti...sepse gjerat i pashe me syte e mi dhe i degjova me veshet e mi!...a e di ti c'fare perjudhe urrejne me teper ne Sicili?....ATE BISANTINE dhe ate ARABE(per ata eshte e njejta gje=E BARABARTE!!!!
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
Kam bere disa fotografi dhe kam disa dokumente sidomos per JELIMET(besoj qe duhet t'a dish kush ishin Jelimet!?)A e di ti kush beson ne ballkan te kete prejardhjen nga JELIMET?_Pyetje per detyrat qe duhet te besh keto dite-----MOS ME THUAJ QE ISHIN GREKET E LASHTE----sepse ishin popullsia qe kane luftuar kunder grekeve....
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
te degjoj, sepse sapo jam kthyer nga Sicilia-isha para nje jave...
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
she can feel pontian,bullgarian,serbian or whatever she likes...who's care?Fact is that people like she or some of them can't change the past(may be only trying "Back to the past" to change the things!!!!
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
We albanians claim that there are so many motherfuckers that try to to deny the truth!!!!!!Imagination is for them that live in the dreams:NO ALBANIAN-NO GREEK?!
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
BYTHEGURI has meaning in albanian or greek?
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
LOL-FACTS ARE FACTS and nobody can be revisionist or can try to change the truth.If this girl feel more pontian then ARBEROR-ok no problem.But don't try to deny the past or try to change the things.There are so many historical facts about the past...
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
You arvanite?Please don't be silly to call yourself a descent of Kolokotroni,because he will turn in his grave,learning that an fellow "arvanite" is not teaching to his kids arvanitika.You are just an anti albanian as most greeks are.
Albani1111 3 years ago 2
I'm not antialbanian or such. Just not Albanian
Have you read the writings of Kolokotronis ?
What do you know about him and his family??
NefeliDanai 3 years ago
The funny thing is that all arvanite's last names have a meaning is Albanian(not in greek).And yet you are saying you're greek.But you can call youself whatever you whant but you can not change your origine.I live in USA,have US citizenship and speak English,but it doesn't mean that I am American.Secondly,if you want to learn the truth about arvanites I suggest to read "Arvanites and the origine of Greeks" by Aristid P. Kolais.Also,read the work of Kostas Kazazis.Have e nice day!
Albani1111 3 years ago
Kolias is his name. I don't need his book to know my history..
History is counterfeited by persons like him.
Arvanitika names have a meaning in Arvanitika you want to say. This confusion must be stopped and clarified. You adopted our language.
NefeliDanai 3 years ago
You adopted our language???Where is the differencce between us?I am orthodox,my mother's tangue is Albanian like you(sorry Arvanitika for you what a difference!!!).Ohh there is a big difference between us.I was helping my muslim/catholic brothers in Kosova and you were ruling for Milosevich and his butchers.Aristid Kolais was the true and brave arvanite.You must honour him if you are arvanite.
Albani1111 3 years ago
Obs ! Sorry about Aristides Kollias. Since I'm just starting my research I was not aware of his great work.
Ton pire i bala kai auton !!
NefeliDanai 3 years ago
Ton pire i bala kai auton san ton:ANASTAS KULLURIOTI!
Ton pire i bala san ton:JORGO MAROUGA!
Arvanites san afti bouruste na tous skotonete alla oki- THEIR MEMORY and them JOB!
Katallaves re "arvanites"?
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
You are rude and aggressive, this cannot go further.
Eisai agenis kai i sizitisi de paei parakato
NefeliDanai 3 years ago
I'm "rude and aggressive" because I have Shqiptar blood like all ARBEROR.We don't like falsificators of the truth!That's it.
I know to fight with facts&documents and other things...if somebody promise something to me...well JUST DO IT!!!
An nomizis pou eise pio "astute"...hmmmm...kanis poli lathos!
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
We adopted your language????!!!...so arvanitika is an kinde of...greek lang.....or what....you are talking about?who is confuse now?LOL...arvanitika names have the meaning just in arvanitika and in albanian(no other lang. in the world.).If you are arvanites well.....just SHAME ON YOU for these words!-if you are greek...well-just ignore brainwashed people!
Take a look what this man did:watch?v=6yNBG6KCARM
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
All Arvanites will tell you the same thing. We are Greeks ! Don't call us Albanians ! The interest about the history comes from the similarity Arvanitiki / Albanian language. I searched and found that the today Albanian language , is a form of / Ancient Thracian language where the Arvanitiki is coming from.
Arvanites came from Thracia and Asia Minor . About Kolokotronis and how Greek he is read his memorabilia.
NefeliDanai 3 years ago
Arvanites came from Thracia and Asia Minor.????...what are you talking about?!LOL...who said that(any tsatsiki&souvlaki greek historian)?!
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
Yeah you are greek as much as serbs are french.You have to be claim EXTRA GREEK in order to be accepted as equal.I just can not understand you hatered toward albanians!I didn't stated in 1991 is was there even during Cold War when Albania didn't do anything to Greece.I think greeks hate everyone ecxept serbians and russians.I have meet arvanites here in USA and I have great respect for them.I have talked with them about a lot of things and they never jump in my throat when we disagreed.
Albani1111 3 years ago
Did those Arvanities in USA said that they were Albanians ?. This is what I'm trying to say. Arvanites are not Albanians
Now why the language is similar is a long story
NefeliDanai 3 years ago
hmmmm...are you talking about this?:
Quote greekhelsinki-arvanites:
"History of the community and the language
The first Christian Albanian migrations to what is today Greek territory took place as early as the XI-XII centuries (Trudgill, 1975:5; Banfi, 1994:19), although the main ones most often mentioned in the bibliography happened in the XIV-XV centuries,
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
when Albanians were invited to settle in depopulated areas by their Byzantine, Catalan or Florentine rulers (Tsitsipis, 1994:1; Trudgill, 1975:5; Nakratzas, 1992:20-24 & 78-90; Banfi, 1994:19).
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
So, some have estimated that, when the Ottomans conquered the whole Greek territory in the XV century, some 45% of it was populated by Albanians (Trudgill, 1975:6). Another wave of Muslim Albanian migrations took place during the Ottoman period, mainly in the XVIII century (Trudgill, 1975:6; Banfi, 1994:19). All these Albanians are the ancestors of modern-day Arvanites in Central and Southern Greece.
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
As for the Arvanites of Epirus and Western Macedonia, they are considered to be part of the modern Albanian nation (Banfi, 1994:20), something which perhaps explains their self-identification as Shqiptars rather than Arberor.
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
When the modern Greek state was formed, the Albanian-speaking population and its language were called Albanian, even if those Christian Albanians were considered an integral part of the Greek nation and had played a decisive role in the War of Independence between 1821-1828 (Bartholdy, 1993; Bickford-Smith, 1993: 47; Embeirikos, 1994; Vakalopoulos, 1994:243-249).
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
tell us about bocari, bouboulina, and kolokotroni now...
balkancoolhead 3 years ago
"The object they [the Greeks] have in view is the hellenization of Albania. The whole of the southern portion carries its commerce through Janina, and the inhabitants regard this town as their capital. They fraternize easily with the Greeks." (continued)
balkancoolhead 3 years ago
"As yet, their aspirations to form a distinct nationality are thought to be weak and ill-defined, so that the Greeks hope with the possession of Janina to amalgamate the two races and gain over to the cause of hellenism the finest and most warlike race in South-Eastern Europe."
The Times (London), January 31, 1879
balkancoolhead 3 years ago
i guess ask Byron.
balkancoolhead 3 years ago