I hate doing titanium parts, i work at an investment casting foundry in montana where we do a lot of Ti parts, they're just a pain in the ass all the way around
I just don't pull it out of my pouch that often to make it worth while. Nailing is what nail guns are for. Money is for investment. I can do better with an 22 Est wing and spending this money else where. Now I do carry the Est Wing all day tho when i have that kind of work, and I know it's there, believe me, but it's about the money to me. If I spend that much on a hammer I'm gonna complain about everyday, all day long.
if you wanna save your arm and get the job done faster get a compresser and nail guns it works a lot faster and if you get it from harbor freight you can get a compresser and a few anilers for that $200 when they are on sale be smart dont be a retard worksmarter not harder
I use a smooth face 18oz estwing all day for anything from framing to finishing or even demolition. It is the ONLY hammer I have ever used that will pull 22 gauge pins, 3 1/2" spikes without heads, or 18" ardox spikes and it has done it for almost 11 years without getting dull.
Composition is not what makes a hammer, design is.
@Lokivoid If you can swing it faster than a steel one, that increase in velocity makes up for the loss in weight and you end up with similar momentum for both types.
@MrMoran22 And when you get the similar momentum for both types by increasing velocity, your arm will get the exact same negative effect of hammering. So here we are at the beginning now again :)
I guarantee if you try any other 15oz hammer, it will not hit as hard as the 15oz stiletto titanium. I used to use a vaughn 19 oz, great hammer but the wood handle breaks over and over and over . Anything stanley or fat max is crap, expect for the fat max 22 oz, great for smashing stuff but you will destroy your elbow over 10 years.
All right, I see a lot of pretenders with no hands on experience.
If is lighter it won't hit as hard. 1st argument
if is havier, it will drive the nail in with less hits. 2nd a. laws of phisiqs say this and that 3rd a. Fact #1 Nails are lighter, with a sharp anlge and will drive in even if you hit them with a small 2x4 So Any hamer will do F#2 Kinetics will conect the blow to your body F#3 Stiletto is the best hamer I ever had Fact, no more arm pain.
I've had my Stiletto for more than 6 years now, never an elbow problem, but before I had it, my fore arm and elbow used to hurt a lot after a long day's work.
wow i woudlnt have thought investment casting.I would have though the metal would need to be hardened and maybe pulled for a hammer but I'm to familiar with titatnium
don't believe a man, who is wearing sunglasses at a construction site!
this hammer with a rigid handle, highly expensive alloy and expensive casting process is simply is bad for your wallet, arms and environment, don't buy it!
if you want to have a lighter hammer, just buy a lighter hammer in your hardware-store, but take one with a shock-absorbing handle!
the weight of the hammer has nothing to do with the hammers kickback to your arm!
@Thinkle911 you obviously never swung one before im a scaffolder and we bang a lot of steel clamps and wedges in the run of the day and a regular hammer at the hadware store even the anit vibes by stanly dont hold a candle to this hammer 15 oz hit for about 23 oz with fuck all effort and you dont feel anything in the elbows so before you post out your ass make sure you got your facts straight cuz if not you just look like an idiot
@Thinkle911 You have no idea what you are talking about. I started framing whe you were in high school, please don't comment out of your experiance level, makes you look ignorant.
If you like your arm use hammer with handle made from shock absorbing material. Fiberglass core and some anti-slip shock absorbing soft touch grip. Weight of a hammer you use is determined by what you are nailing. Long nails and hard surfaces require heavy hammers and short nails and softer surfaces require light hammers. With right weight you should be able to drive a nail in one or two strikes. Too light and you will work yourself to death.
I'm not really convinced about titanium being beneficial in anyway here. The whole point of a hammer is to use a weight to force something into a surface. The heavier the weight, the more force you can apply to the impact point (F=mass*acceleration).
By having a lighter hammer, it won't have any benefit in it's use. It'd make it worse.
@ocelotrevs My thoughts axactly, it's basic physics. I suppose the theory is that although your arm needs to provide more force, the handle absorbs the shock making it more comfortable.
One would think a steel (or somehow weighted titanium) head would be better, with a titanium handle.
@enigmaj316 #1 you don't provide the force with your arm, you provide it with your wrist.. #2 a faster swing with less weight has an impact equal to a slower swing with more weight.. #3 fact, a 15 oz titanium hammer sinks nails as well as a 20 oz steel hammer.. I still use a 23oz steel hammer because I don't generally pound nails with it.. I use it to knock things into place and sink nails in tight spots that are out of reach of my nail gun where you can't get a good swing and need the weight.
@enigmaj316 #1 you don't provide the force with your arm, you provide it with your wrist.. #2 a faster swing with less weight has an impact equal to a slower swing with more weight.. #3 fact, a 15 oz titanium hammer sinks nails as well as a 20 oz steel hammer.. I still use a 23oz steel hammer because I don't generally pound nails with it.. I use it to knock things into place and sink nails in tight spots that are out of reach of my nail gun where you can't get a good swing and need the weight.
@enigmaj316 #1 you don't provide the force with your arm, you provide it with your wrist.. #2 a faster swing with less weight has an impact equal to a slower swing with more weight.. #3 fact, a 15 oz titanium hammer sinks nails as well as a 20 oz steel hammer.. I still use a 23oz steel hammer because I don't generally pound nails with it.. I use it to knock things into place and sink nails in tight spots that are out of reach of my nail gun where you can't get a good swing and need the weight.
this is total bs. ti is not more flexible than fe. and most of that would have to do with the shape of the device in the direction of the force applied. I have used hammers for 25 years. The best one I ever had had a shock adsorbent fiberglass handle and a soft rubber grip. about 40 bucks. made by vaughn. just another mexican getting rich from minority loans.
this guy is in no way the inventor of titanium hammers, and the hammer has taken many, many, many forms over 2000 years, with many different materials used to make them
If its lighter you have to mash it down harder while the steel one you just let go down on it's own weigh with even more recoil to help the next shot,so "if you like your arms" use steel!With all due respect for Titanium!
@user136002 wouldn't that depend on the thickness and shape of the connection between handle and head? ie. if Titanium is less stiff (unlikely) you could shape the steel to match the characteristics. The only thing with titanium is its strength to weight ratio.
hardness is a secondary concern in hitting. Obey the momentum laws. The heavier hammer mass, the better. Light weight hammer makes you hit like pussy.
@johnbell58 Rght, so 3000 years ago people mined, purified, melted and casted Titanium, Mhh... . . Intresting, please show me the source of this 3000 year old metalurgic wonder that you speak of.
I'll be expecting your response, and the source of your claim.
Black Billy Mays.
MPSecare 4 days ago
money well spend ?
200 bugs for this fucking hammer ?
stfu !
MrNeoFromMatrix 2 weeks ago
I hate doing titanium parts, i work at an investment casting foundry in montana where we do a lot of Ti parts, they're just a pain in the ass all the way around
FireFighter4391 1 month ago
Ahhh it's shit like this that would get the pisstake of a lifetime on Dragon's Den. Good times.
shadopyro 1 month ago
I just don't pull it out of my pouch that often to make it worth while. Nailing is what nail guns are for. Money is for investment. I can do better with an 22 Est wing and spending this money else where. Now I do carry the Est Wing all day tho when i have that kind of work, and I know it's there, believe me, but it's about the money to me. If I spend that much on a hammer I'm gonna complain about everyday, all day long.
sprtman 1 month ago
Good Point, but i think the midwest.
sprtman 1 month ago
Their made in California tho, and that means I would be supporting liberalism. No thanks. I'll buy my hammers else where.
sprtman 2 months ago
@sprtman China may be ?
kkakis 1 month ago
if you wanna save your arm and get the job done faster get a compresser and nail guns it works a lot faster and if you get it from harbor freight you can get a compresser and a few anilers for that $200 when they are on sale be smart dont be a retard worksmarter not harder
MrCamokiller666 2 months ago
I use a smooth face 18oz estwing all day for anything from framing to finishing or even demolition. It is the ONLY hammer I have ever used that will pull 22 gauge pins, 3 1/2" spikes without heads, or 18" ardox spikes and it has done it for almost 11 years without getting dull.
Composition is not what makes a hammer, design is.
XxXAUTOXxX 2 months ago
"titanium is 40% lighter than steel, but hits just as hard." Sounds like someone failed high school physics.
Lokivoid 5 months ago 16
@Lokivoid If you can swing it faster than a steel one, that increase in velocity makes up for the loss in weight and you end up with similar momentum for both types.
MrMoran22 4 months ago
@MrMoran22 And when you get the similar momentum for both types by increasing velocity, your arm will get the exact same negative effect of hammering. So here we are at the beginning now again :)
vkfkts 2 months ago
@Lokivoid the measurable impact of the force is the same..... derrrp...
MPSecare 4 days ago
I guarantee if you try any other 15oz hammer, it will not hit as hard as the 15oz stiletto titanium. I used to use a vaughn 19 oz, great hammer but the wood handle breaks over and over and over . Anything stanley or fat max is crap, expect for the fat max 22 oz, great for smashing stuff but you will destroy your elbow over 10 years.
ricktbdgc 6 months ago 2
Mark missed the nail! I saw it!
deweys 7 months ago
If you want a lighter hummer then buy a lighter one no need for titanium in this application.
electrodacus 8 months ago
@electrodacus
hummer you mean hammer
loko95ftp 8 months ago
@loko95ftp :) yes is hammer for the hummer titanium may be good.
electrodacus 8 months ago
This guy is too excited, calm down, they're only hammers.
I remember when I bought a $35 Estwing, I thought that thing was the greatest.
But now I have hammer-envy, I want one of these!
mae951 8 months ago
All right, I see a lot of pretenders with no hands on experience.
If is lighter it won't hit as hard. 1st argument
if is havier, it will drive the nail in with less hits. 2nd a. laws of phisiqs say this and that 3rd a. Fact #1 Nails are lighter, with a sharp anlge and will drive in even if you hit them with a small 2x4 So Any hamer will do F#2 Kinetics will conect the blow to your body F#3 Stiletto is the best hamer I ever had Fact, no more arm pain.
I won't use iron for nails, two blows, done
IntegrityContracting 8 months ago
Wow and is made by Mexicans, Muy bien Paisanos!
I've had my Stiletto for more than 6 years now, never an elbow problem, but before I had it, my fore arm and elbow used to hurt a lot after a long day's work.
Best $220.00. Canadian ever spent!
IntegrityContracting 8 months ago
wow i woudlnt have thought investment casting.I would have though the metal would need to be hardened and maybe pulled for a hammer but I'm to familiar with titatnium
icef1sh 10 months ago
i sink 16d's in 3 hits with a stiletto mini 14 and my elbow/wrist feel great
littlefire89 10 months ago
@littlefire89 and when I was building I could drive a 16d nail in two with my 28 oz frameing hammer.
it sounded like.. tap WHAMM!
so you just keep pounding away with your little hammer ;)
jacktheripped 10 months ago
@jacktheripped hows that elbow bra ? :) ( it isnt little its just lite!) :P
littlefire89 10 months ago
you get what you pay for
halfway2hell 10 months ago
don't believe a man, who is wearing sunglasses at a construction site!
this hammer with a rigid handle, highly expensive alloy and expensive casting process is simply is bad for your wallet, arms and environment, don't buy it!
if you want to have a lighter hammer, just buy a lighter hammer in your hardware-store, but take one with a shock-absorbing handle!
the weight of the hammer has nothing to do with the hammers kickback to your arm!
Thinkle911 11 months ago
@Thinkle911 you obviously never swung one before im a scaffolder and we bang a lot of steel clamps and wedges in the run of the day and a regular hammer at the hadware store even the anit vibes by stanly dont hold a candle to this hammer 15 oz hit for about 23 oz with fuck all effort and you dont feel anything in the elbows so before you post out your ass make sure you got your facts straight cuz if not you just look like an idiot
halfway2hell 10 months ago
@Thinkle911 You have no idea what you are talking about. I started framing whe you were in high school, please don't comment out of your experiance level, makes you look ignorant.
IntegrityContracting 8 months ago
If you like your arm use hammer with handle made from shock absorbing material. Fiberglass core and some anti-slip shock absorbing soft touch grip. Weight of a hammer you use is determined by what you are nailing. Long nails and hard surfaces require heavy hammers and short nails and softer surfaces require light hammers. With right weight you should be able to drive a nail in one or two strikes. Too light and you will work yourself to death.
jobicek 11 months ago
Foe $230 that thing better drive the nails itself. Oh what that's what nail guns do.
disturbedone5009 1 year ago
LOL ... Its called a air nail gun!!!
Wildatheart73 1 year ago
I'm not really convinced about titanium being beneficial in anyway here. The whole point of a hammer is to use a weight to force something into a surface. The heavier the weight, the more force you can apply to the impact point (F=mass*acceleration).
By having a lighter hammer, it won't have any benefit in it's use. It'd make it worse.
ocelotrevs 1 year ago
@ocelotrevs My thoughts axactly, it's basic physics. I suppose the theory is that although your arm needs to provide more force, the handle absorbs the shock making it more comfortable.
One would think a steel (or somehow weighted titanium) head would be better, with a titanium handle.
enigmaj316 9 months ago
@enigmaj316 #1 you don't provide the force with your arm, you provide it with your wrist.. #2 a faster swing with less weight has an impact equal to a slower swing with more weight.. #3 fact, a 15 oz titanium hammer sinks nails as well as a 20 oz steel hammer.. I still use a 23oz steel hammer because I don't generally pound nails with it.. I use it to knock things into place and sink nails in tight spots that are out of reach of my nail gun where you can't get a good swing and need the weight.
MrMeanderthal 6 months ago
@enigmaj316 #1 you don't provide the force with your arm, you provide it with your wrist.. #2 a faster swing with less weight has an impact equal to a slower swing with more weight.. #3 fact, a 15 oz titanium hammer sinks nails as well as a 20 oz steel hammer.. I still use a 23oz steel hammer because I don't generally pound nails with it.. I use it to knock things into place and sink nails in tight spots that are out of reach of my nail gun where you can't get a good swing and need the weight.
MrMeanderthal 6 months ago
@enigmaj316 #1 you don't provide the force with your arm, you provide it with your wrist.. #2 a faster swing with less weight has an impact equal to a slower swing with more weight.. #3 fact, a 15 oz titanium hammer sinks nails as well as a 20 oz steel hammer.. I still use a 23oz steel hammer because I don't generally pound nails with it.. I use it to knock things into place and sink nails in tight spots that are out of reach of my nail gun where you can't get a good swing and need the weight.
MrMeanderthal 6 months ago
this is total bs. ti is not more flexible than fe. and most of that would have to do with the shape of the device in the direction of the force applied. I have used hammers for 25 years. The best one I ever had had a shock adsorbent fiberglass handle and a soft rubber grip. about 40 bucks. made by vaughn. just another mexican getting rich from minority loans.
ricktoven2 1 year ago
this guy is in no way the inventor of titanium hammers, and the hammer has taken many, many, many forms over 2000 years, with many different materials used to make them
omgpuppies0707 1 year ago
if its better to have a lighter hammer... then why not just buy a lighter hammer... thats how they are sized in the 1st place...
mageac 1 year ago
If its lighter you have to mash it down harder while the steel one you just let go down on it's own weigh with even more recoil to help the next shot,so "if you like your arms" use steel!With all due respect for Titanium!
DulferCarter 1 year ago
NOt much difference between steel hemmers and Titanium
Titanium Mass atomic: 47.867
Ferum (iron) : 55.845 And this piece of Shit is 200 bucks ...yeah ok ill buy it right now
bessarabia7 1 year ago
@bessarabia7
Titanium is more flexible. When you slam the hammer down it will flex slightly rather than jarring your arm.
user136002 1 year ago
Not to mention that it will last longer.
user136002 1 year ago
@user136002 wouldn't that depend on the thickness and shape of the connection between handle and head? ie. if Titanium is less stiff (unlikely) you could shape the steel to match the characteristics. The only thing with titanium is its strength to weight ratio.
etmax1 10 months ago
@etmax1 Titanium can be made to flex and return to its shape more than steel can.
user136002 10 months ago
These hammers aren't meant for people who use them once ever 3 months... Can't stand ignorant people, who think they know it all.
Can't imagine doing my job without a stiletto since I bought one.
krisdrepko 1 year ago
hardness is a secondary concern in hitting. Obey the momentum laws. The heavier hammer mass, the better. Light weight hammer makes you hit like pussy.
whotookmynickkokokai 1 year ago
This is one of those non-essential (for making hammers) yet expencive proccesses that will loose demand in an economic downturn.
davfritz 1 year ago
That is NOT space age technology
It is 3000 years old
johnbell58 2 years ago
@johnbell58 Rght, so 3000 years ago people mined, purified, melted and casted Titanium, Mhh... . . Intresting, please show me the source of this 3000 year old metalurgic wonder that you speak of.
I'll be expecting your response, and the source of your claim.
Cheers.
IntegrityContracting 8 months ago
You ever hear of a nail gun?
KolbeAnimations 2 years ago
@KolbeAnimations have you ever heard of situation when you cant use a nail gun?
dthefifth 1 year ago