The Gray Standoff on ABC 20/20 Part 2 of 2

[jakophful]

I wonder if it seems like a big deal now? FIGHT THE NDAA!

[Rampagge1]

they should have given alex a comb

[TeflonDon204]

this is 08...whats the situation 3/4 years after?

[KingDavid478]

The police was trying to take his kids....What would happen if they tried to take Thomas Jeffersons Kids....Exactly so be a pussy forever and give your kids up to the demons, not me Ill fight you forever!

[AndersonHenderson]

@KingDavid478 Those aren't HIS KIDS you moh-rawn. He and his nutball family can play Johhny Rebel in the woods all they want, but they should have enough decency to give these innocent children back to their father.

[soulinite]

Of coarse Alex Jones is the one feeding the paranoia to lunatic with all the guns. Way to rial up the crazies to the point where people might die Alex. I hope all the money you make selling propaganda is worth your soul.

[evnwood]

THIS IS AN INTERVIEW! AJ didn't sell this to ABC,you dumb liars! he's doing an interview! OMG! "How dare he do an interview!" why must you people lie in your vids and comments!or are you guys really this stupid!

[joshuaoha]

The guy committed a crime. He is a fugitive. And the police won't go in because they are afraid of causalities? So if I commit a crime all I have to do is barricade myself in my house with enough guns?

[ghpink]

@joshuaoha Yep Gray's a fugitive and the cops won't go in there. If you're going to barricade yourself in, make sure you make a call to Alex Jones Radio show, so he can get stupid people across America to supply you with food, so that the police eventually have to break in to your compound. Alex Jones is far more dangerous then Joe Gray. Alex has the power of the media and large flock of paranoid people behind him supporting him with money. We live in dangerous times.

[joshuaoha]

@ghpink I am afraid your are correct.

[Howie47]

A.B.C. and the rest of the mainstream media. have no interest in real investigative reporting. If they did, they would be reporting on the Obama, birth record fraud, the government's illegal war in Libya, and a hundred other illegal government activities. The constitution has been voided by the brain dead, NWO'ers. Who no longer believe, government power must be kept in check. To prevent take over by tyrants. Listen to Alex Jones!

[deceiver123m]

@Arkantum dont need a license for a handgun or any weapon. 2nd amendment trumps the lawlessness of registering your weapon.

[TheFutureUnquiet]

The corporate-cops maintain that when you, a citizen, assert your inalienable rights, so as not to incriminate yourself—so as not to build a case (the State's case) for your prosecution and/or persecution, you are being uncooperative & unreasonable.

[TheFutureUnquiet]

When you assert your inalienable rights, so as not to incriminate yourself—so as not to build a case (the State's case) for your prosecution and/or persecution, you are being uncooperative & unreasonable, the corporate-cops maintain.

[8drewski]

4:58 HAHAHAHA!!! TOTALLY GOT CAUGHT AND TRYING TO THINK OF A LIE!!!!

[IcedEarth426]

Living on a compound, fenced in and concentrated to a single area...that's "living free"? And what's this all over again? For being pulled over and carrying a gun without a license? Yes, there is corruption, but hiding away in your stupid encampment isn't a way to "fight the man". You fight corruption by mobilizing to change things.

[tmdffn]

So it has been two years? Any word out of Grayland?

[jiggy14]

He never left a mark on his kids?

This dad knows where to hit :P

[goldenscales]

@Arkantum And you are a fat-bellied couch potato with more mouth than balls. Crawl back into your hole, worm.

[Kimmyloca0]

Bunch of nut jobs.

[italianman004]

Small Town , small minds... what a Character this Sheriff Slick is. If the roles were reverse, do you think the Authorities would then get involved.....Best of Luck to the Father, he and his Son 100 %Victims, they have the God given right , to be together.

[ejecthunter]

white trash

[limaoscarlimaover]

stinking anarchists

[Secundas]

Note to sheriff: Not real smart to put your name on the 'covert' surveillance camera.  haha

[mustaffa1611]

Alex is a scumbag. It's no secret anymore. Jack blood has videos up exposing him, William Cooper exposed him, there's numerous vids on utube of alex yelling at women and disrupting other peoples peaceful protests and just overall acting like an ass. Alex is a loser....plain and simple.

[italianman004]

@mustaffa1611 : he fooled me for a few years, but not anymore , Alex Jones is a FRAUD. thanks for your reply...

[OneGrlRevolution2]

@italianman004 rite on!

[BRAKESUK80]

i live in th U.K and have never heard of this before. it does seem like the main guy is blowing things out of proportion - although i can see his angle but it doenst excuse it with the children. fascinating stuff - especially as you were the one who captured it all? very well done - can you tell me if there was an outcome or if things are still going on...maybe point me in the direction of some more good readings / material on this topic? many thanks -b

[texaschizophrenic]

Those children should be returned forcibly by the police by federal/state agents, and in no way should the occupants in the compound intercede. If they do they face the consequences; end of the line.

[DrGodfather14]

does anybody here have an update on what happened? are they still being held up?

[lawananethery]

@DrGodfather14 They are still there living as they have been for the last 10 years.

[noyouaintgettingit]

and if Alex was a "sell out" like they claim, why the heck did he offer to pay their overdue electricity bill, give them food, et cetera? How can they deride someone for that? 20/20 coming out and covering the situation was a blessing in disguise and defused a horrible situation. Sometimes slapping around the mainstream media to cover things like this keep bloodbaths like Waco from happening.

[noyouaintgettingit]

Alex Jones wakes everyone up, even people on the inside are coming forward and admitting of inner government corruption. Its a peaceful movement and resistance. Of course he's not talking down to the militias, they're the salt of the earth, but there are peaceful means of resistance, especially when you vocalize, spread the word, its an INFORMATION WAR. Thats peaceful resistance, spreading the word.

[noyouaintgettingit]

And I honestly don't think Alex is cointelpro like everybody claims either, because if he was, he would be encouraging people to break the law, but he's not encouraging people to break the law, he's asking people to peacefully resist because ideas are bulletproof, thats all, and its just gross to me that people have such horrible assumptions based off of hearsay.

[noyouaintgettingit]

This was a really complicated case, and I really don't think Alex Jones was trying to "sell anybody out" like everyone claims. I think what Alex was trying to do was defuse a potentially hostile situation and peacefully help return children home to their father, because Alex saw that there was no need to hide behind children, but sympathized with both sides. I appreciate that you've clarified any doubts Mr. Hanson. God Bless you and Alex both. Fight the good fight!

[mbsells77]

Bring in some snipers and end this.

[noyouaintgettingit]

@mbsells77 thats horrible, they should never bring out snipers to kill people, what a horrible suggestion, there are always more peaceful solutions to violence

[Quex01]

Alex Jones = shill & COINTELPRO

[italianman004]

@Quex01 , wow so they actually have a name for his crap...thanks

[460mudder]

Freedom? What freedom does he claim to have? He's living in a goddamn toolshed. Shitting in a coffee can, and eating pine cones and prairie grass. Confined to his own property, he's created his own prison.

[italianman004]

@460mudder : I don't think he feels like that ....meds. nuff said.

[infowarsnz]

@Arkantum You don't need to be an arachist, nut or anything. You just need to be aware enough to see whats goin on and let logic not pragmatism determine your response. I'm not sure why Gray turned on Alex though

[fsprebel]

He turned on Alex because Alex was the only one that was allowed inside his house while videotaping. Alex signed a contract stating that he wouldn't release the footage til the standoff was over with. But, he sold it to 20/20 for $25,000 and thus soldout a fellow patriot family. You might want to take a closer look at Alex Jones. Actions speak louder than words. Alex Jones is the real inside job.

[MikeHansonArchives]

I was there !! you do not know any thing but here -say ! read what really happen on my page >>>thanks Mike Hanson

[AssasinsPh33r5280]

These people are fighting a noble war but the child shit I don't know.

[AssasinsPh33r5280]

They will eventually lead to inbreading and die out. :(

[TexasBadAssRabbit]

I thought this matter had been settled years ago.

The Gray's are really good people and didn't deserve to be treat like this.

Curtis Hart was a A.T.F. informant that set Joel Gray up.

We proved that to the Judge and as far as I know this matter is settled , isn't it?????

[DominicMetal1979]

5:08 - 5:20 is hilarious. "Yeah, I think, uh, the cows got into it, y-know..."

[TheFutureUnquiet]

A.B.C., with its vast film archive, could easily authenticate every point Mr. Gray makes concerning the N.W.O. by exposing David Rockefeller's proclamation in his autobio' "Memoirs" that he stands proud & guilty of masterminding the end of U.S. sovereignty through intl. banking...and so on...

[italianman004]

@TheFutureUnquiet r u kidding, the MEDIA is part of the NWO, get a clue....

[TheFutureUnquiet]

@italianman004 : Have my commented interpreted. 

[soulinite]

@TheFutureUnquiet Conspriacy theories are the duct tape of ignorance.

The evil NWO has let this standoff go on for 10 years rather then rush in and kill everyone(like you believe they did in waco).

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So much for their evil plots of world domination and population reduction.

[TheFutureUnquiet]

THE CORPORATE CARTELS (married monopolies) control the content of the propaganda that's dressed up as news.

[TheAntiV]

@TheFutureUnquiet

HURR DURR IF ITS FROM THE INTERNET THEN IT MUST BE TRUE DURR HURR

[TheFutureUnquiet]

@TheAntiV : "We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."

---David Rockefeller

[TheAntiV]

@TheFutureUnquiet

HURR DURR TAKING WORDS OUT OF CONEXT DURR HURR

During the 20th century, many statesmen, such as Woodrow Wilson and Winston Churchill, used the term "new world order" to refer to a new period of history evidencing a dramatic change in world political thought and the balance of power after World War I and World War II.

[TheFutureUnquiet]

"Some even believe we (the Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure---one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

--David Rockefeller, “Memoirs,” page 405

[TheAntiV]

@TheFutureUnquiet

So whats so bad about a more integrated global political and economic unity?

That's also assuming it's going to work.

[TheFutureUnquiet]

@TheAntiV : It's planetary enslavement. There will be no inalienable rights, no nation states, no national sovereignty and no self-sovereignty.

[TheAntiV]

@TheFutureUnquiet

How do you know that? Sounds like an assumption to me.

[o2head]

@TheAntiV If there are men in this country big enough to own the government of the United States, they are going to own it.

Woodrow Wilson

[TheSmokingArgus]

@o2head ...and Woodrow Wilson handed those men ownership of government referred to as "The Money Trust" by Congress via passage of the FEDERAL RESERVE Act of 1913.

[o2head]

@TheSmokingArgus yes he later said that was his biggest regret. i think he signed it for a campaign contribution of like a hundred grand. i guess it just goes to show that when we have to sign our name we almost never understand the total cost.

[deceiver123m]

@TheAntiV suuuureee... like if those people werent also in on the new world order plans

[musicalidea]

@TheFutureUnquiet It would be nice if you could provide the specific citation for this purported proclamation of Mr. Rockefeller's.

[TheFutureUnquiet]

@musicalidea

David Rockefeller: Unashamed Predatory Globalist

"Some even believe we (the Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure---one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

--David Rockefeller, “Memoirs,” page 405

[TheFutureUnquiet]

(2) for the world if we had been subjected to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The super-national sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries." --- David Rockefeller, at a 1991 Bilderberg meeting

[TheFutureUnquiet]

(1) "We are grateful to 'The Washington Post,' 'The New York Times,' 'Time Magazine,' and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promise of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan

[JesAllenMadden]

@musicalidea anyone can provide it stop being lazy and look yourself

[musicalidea]

So this silly egomaniac & his devotees have broken a few laws. Is this really worth our attention? There is such a harmless individual in every jurisdiction. 1 must question the strategic use of this material, its poetic symmetry w/ Al Qaeda, w/ War on Drugs, w/ Red Scare: to paint all critics of centrality & surveillance as extremists, as being dealt w/ indulgently by the state, as petty criminals, as paranoid beyond reason. It's an excellent piece in a long series of de-legitimizing dissent.

[TheFutureUnquiet]

Corporate scientists report: The Universe is expanding. The Universe is boundless It has no end and no beginning as it is infinite. If so: In what direction is the Universe expanding? Infinity includes all. Infinity is all. The Universe occupies ALL space.

[militantrebell]

WACCO

[AzureIce5]

They actually call living like that Freedom.. are they nuts..

[MiClLC]

Want to know what tyranny and oppression is? Look up the "Ruby Ridge Massacre" on youtube to see your sick fucking government in action. If I could fly down to Texas, I would opt to help them fight the NWO

[genarelal]

dam thats bull shit

[ARaney1986]

That was a goddamn good package.....

[dave777blaster]

Waco was the same type of situation.trumped up charges, brute force used to take down law abiding Americans.

there will be many wacos and many dead freemen in the coming years.For the guns will be taken,the North American Union implemented.

the land will be cleared of Americans.they want you living in the major cities in the north .

Yes I see America burning,They may take your freedoms and your way of life . But one thing is for certain you will not defeat the American spirit .

[ckdoll]

hmmm why give the chicken to the fox? ahahaha

[kingneddy]

abc are nwo scum

[TheAkariNozomi]

@kingneddy totally.

[TheAntiV]

@kingneddy

The NWO doesn't exist. It's nothing more than a fear mongering concept believed by people who can't handle a rudderless existence.

[insanesugarpain]

I could've come up with a better excuse for the cameras than the sheriff.....like, "We're surveying the land for a new Walmart!"

I think John Gray has a decent case, but he seems more interested in being right than he is with accepting help from those who want to support him. Stubborness (did I spell that right?) is dangerous. Is this standoff still going on?

[sociostudent]

"Ok, well, we ARE covertly spying on you, but you're paranoid."?!

[thegreatpadaxes]

i'm conflicted. i think he is taking it a bit too far with the kids, but i haven't been backed into a corner the way he has. i can't get into the mind of a man who is fighting for his way of life, but i will say that if everyone had his spirit and courage then the world would be a better place. despite his flaws men like this make me proud to be a texan.

[zizizzi]

"we'll protect those children to their death"

The adults can do what they want, but they have no right to hold someones kids. They should obey the court order. If not they ARE putting those kids in danger.

[insanesugarpain]

You, obviously, don't understand what is going on inside the child protective system of our country. It is most likely, with this being in Texas, that as soon as the son-in-law receives his children, they will be taken away and placed into foster homes. He doesn't have to be guilty of anything. There are plenty of children being kidnapped by CPS due to unsubstantiated allegations. Don't believe me? Look it up.

[zizizzi]

"It is most likely, with this being in Texas, that as soon as the son-in-law receives his children, they will be taken away and placed into foster homes. He doesn't have to be guilty of anything."

Why... because he is in Texas? Your'e right I don't understand. If he has not broken any laws and a court orders custody to him, Under what grounds would CPS be able to take away his kids?

[insanesugarpain]

It's not just Texas, it's in a lot of states. Texas just happens to be one and now Arkansas is in the media spotlight. I know you may not have all kinds of time to research this but I encourage you to do so, since I don't expect you to take my word for it.

It's been happening for awhile now and parents are finally coming together, via the internet to expose the corruption of CPS. I've had my own bouts with CPS. But I'm lucky enough to surround myself with the support of friends...

[insanesugarpain]

..(continued).... family and credible sources.

I don't feel the entire system is corrupt but the few bad apples are ruining many families' lives. But don't take my word for it....look around the internet. There are decent families everywhere fighting to get their kids back.

[zizizzi]

I will look into what you are talking about...

But in this case I think the kids should go to the father. To say that they should stay with these people even when the court has given custody to the father just because CPS MIGHT take them later is not right.

[roughneck10000]

CPS paid me a visit due to a fictional story my daughter wrote at school where she said her mother slapped her. First slapping in Texas isn't agianst the law, second it was a story and never happened. They told me the case was closed, but honestly there's not even a gray area regarding how we treat our kids. It's sickening the questions they asked my daughters like if I touched her in private places. It's really bothered her and I'm seriously pissed and looking for a lawyer. They had no right.

[insanesugarpain]

I just hope you didn't sign anything from them until you speak to a lawyer. I've made that mistake in the past.  I know better now from studying many cases in which kids were taken under unfounded accusations. It helps if you have family, friends, doctors and psychiatrists to support you. And keep all the paperwork on file. Keep everything! Good luck to you.

[soulinite]

@insanesugarpain Look everyone. Some one who doesn't realize Alex Jones is a fear mongering scam artist!

The answer to 1984 is $19.95 at infowars!

[insanesugarpain]

@soulinite What? Are you responding to me from a post I made a year ago. Well, I'm responding to you from a post you made three weeks ago. What I posted came from personal experience and had nothing to do with Alex Jones. So, I reiterate.......what?

[SkinsDeep]

That's living free? Inside a compound. I don't like fascist government either but they are far from being free. If those were my kids in there I would go get them back from the kidnapper, period. The sheriff is a gutless wonder to let this nut get away with holding a father's children.

[True5cience]

most interesting.

[abbesieyes]

at christainmediaresearchdotcom backslash jonesdothtml one can find the other side of the arguements. I tend to find truth lying somewhere in between both parties lies.

[TiaCalenture]

It's too bad that they have all the ideals and hopes and dreams of the original settlers and are unable to live with the same basic human rights. If they exploited the poor and were rich from the backs of the working class they could live by their own rules, like those in power today. Wish I could buy an island....

[BluntVendetta]

how else could you live for your children....if your not ready to die for your children?!

[dragon8me2]

I know what you mean Mike. You have to be carefull when it comes to religious groups and the son-in-law should have a right to his kids. I believe we have a right to protect ourselves from the fascist government but it's not a good idea to provoke a situation. I don't want to see another Waco with dead kids everywhere, but Texas doe's take kids for no reason every chance it gets. There's more foster kids in my county than citizens. Go figure.

[hawkm7]

I can't stand the media. They shouldn't have let the 20/20 assholes in there so they can exploit the story for tv ratings and mold opinions on the subject.

[gombis666]

These guys are so bored with their lives that they have to suit up and "play guns" with the law. I love how nobody (even the sheriff) gives a rat's ass about them. They just sit up on their all paranoid while everyone else ignores them. They need vacation and a bath. This is what happens when you play too much paint ball. lol

[StraightUpBitch]

That is fuck'd up!

But, it sure would be nice to live off the rich and let them build the roads. Then as we drive our uninsured vehicle, we tell them to go fuck themselves...as we load up free groceries. lol

Yeah, that would be a good life...........

BUT oh yeah... REALITY sets in. DAMN!

[koolk4ever]

Freedom!

[MissKosmic]

This piece is biased as all hell. These people are modern day founding fathers. The Idiocracy would call them radicals as well. Oh well, we will win in the end.

[se36959]

Haha.. 'the cows got into it..' hahaha

[WizardKing78]

Thank f*ck for the 2nd amendment.