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  • Politicians and political advisers are trying to manipulate the people? I am shocked! Perhaps if the average american would get news from more than one source they would be aware of biases. Most progressives don't listen to the Republican side either. Everyone wants to be reinforced rather than challenged. Both parties are garbage. There isn't a dime's worth of difference between Obama and Bush. The only difference is the lip service & lies the tell when they run for office.

  • Roger Ailes was correct in assuming that most american's are low information voters. It is still true today just look on YouTube for dumb american's. Most can't find Australia on a map. The GOP war on education has an agenda and if people remain ignorant they vote right wing every time.

  • as she often says on her show,'my dear friend roger ailes...'.who says that?barbara walters.now you know who else is on side.

  • Makes one really wonder who exactly and how many people actually control America today. Elections are meaningless now

  • YOU LEFTIES ARE NUTS ,, EVERY IS RACIST , YOU LEFTIES HAVE TV SHOWS TOO DON'T PANIC , YOU GOT ONE HERE WITH YOUR BOY CENK ,

  • @LoveMyCountryAussie what language are you writing in?

  • What a bunch of Liberal Bull Shit.

  • @wsoxman What makes it a bull shit?

  • @wsoxman LOOOL you people are lost. if you saw o'reilly raping your mom with your own eyes you would think it's a liberal conspiracy :D

  • @UberTankred Hey goofy, Here is an idea that even your liberal ass can understand.

    DON'T watch Fox News! MSNBC needs the viewers.

  • @wsoxman well, i don't watch it! :D liberal? as a decent person i'm neither one extreme nor the other. sorry for the "your mom" nonsense! every time i use the comment section i lose control over myself...

  • @UberTankred so called lefties never had "TV SHOWS" they were never left leaning ever. Calling the media liberal was a direct and deliberate ploy perpetrated by the right to discredit the people that were exposing their corruption.

    What is it going to take... How far does it have to go. How much poverty do you have to see in this country to realize that the right wing does not work for the American people.

    

  • @Clownwhiper Wake up both sides are a power grid to control your mind. left wing right wing it doesnt matter they all work against the interests of the greater majority

  • john cook hardly said any thing, however, great story - keep up the good work

  • Cenk, too much make up

  • c'mon guys, let's keep it civil

  • what I love is when fox tried to open a station up here in Canada, the problem is we have a law that says news broadcasts can not mislead the public or lie on the air. Since fox would not agree to this there broadcast liecence was rejected. now we know why, ok we knew all the time we just have written evidence now of intent.

  • FUCK CORPORATE MEDIA fuck msm

  • that's why they want to control the internet

  • Hey Cenk, We are waiting on your coverage of how MSNBC and the Networks are in the Tank for Obama.

  • @wsoxman he's mentioned many times how msnbc concedes to washington d.c.

  • @wsoxman I'd rather have a communist in the White House than a GOP or Dem. And no, Obama is not a communist. That's just plain silly.

  • @wsoxman the truth is out fuck you and fuck fox news have a nice day

  • @wsoxman "SQUIRREL!..."

  • came to this video not knowing it was tyt , soon as i saw clicked out , then came back to type this comment.

  • Richard Nixon, very likely another closeted Republican fag; at least he did create the EPA, out of a collection of smaller federal branches.

  • Interesting look at the who's who in the propaganda world.

  • Sounds like a plant like the protocols of zion when the Tsars police planted it. Liberals hate fox news only because its the one and only network that challenges liberals.

    Meanwhile the left controls the other networks but its unfair! UNFAIR! WAH! I WANT A MONOPOLY IN THE MEDIA! FUCK BUSH!! WHAAAAHH!!!

    ANother things this plan was allegedly written a very long time ago 1970 before there was a fox news network

  • @seataclibertarian WOW. Roger Ailes basically says you're too stupid to think for yourself, and you turn it around and bash the supposed main-stream media? Maybe Ailes is right in your case.

  • @johnedwards1968 Just because I expose the main-stream media? This plan was made decades before there was a fox new channel. One. JUST ONE CHANNEL! All you got against obama and the left.

  • Fox News: We Deceive, You Believe.

  • what was bob dole's tax plan?

  • Fox Nws isn't.

  • Lockerz Hack September 2011 Working 100% /watch?v=xLqP-RcdyEE

  • LoL at the part where Bush won because the media straight up just said he won. Wtf is this guys? I mean... how did that fly? Hella funny

  • FOX news is the worst station ever created... i really do not know how they are on air.

  • @cybersk you are a gullable tool.

    Fuck you hannity, oreilly, Wallace, palin, and the rest of you demons. I pray you are all unemployed by the end of the year.

    And to all you ignorant racist douchebags who listen to these punk bitches, may you rot in hell, too.

  • @cybersk dog shit > your opinions

  • @cybersk Cenk left MSNBC because they told him their friends in Washington wanted him to "tone it down". So, he doesn't get any money from MSNBC. Nice try, tho.

  • @cybersk u need to watch a little more cenk critizes obama almost as much as fox news does typical republican dont know what the fuck your talking about

  • Ahh we already knew Fox was full of shit but this is nice to confirm that all the accusations of them being bias towards the right (Which is quite obvious) is 100% accurate. I like how the anchor on msnbc is all excited that Fox is proven to lie and be bias haha

  • For the rest of you idiots: A scientific theory comprises a collection of concepts, including abstractions of observable phenomena expressed as quantifiable properties, together with rules (called scientific laws) that express relationships between observations of such concepts.

    Theory =/= Scientific Theory.

  • Life is more than material things. You still don't understand.

  • What is wrong with A republican News network coming out???? All the other fucking news networks are Liberal Obama has been trying to take out Fox News since he started in office. If Obama gets Fox News off the air, then idk wht the fuck im gona do. Start a fucking rebellion. That is total Socialism! The goverment should NOT be able to regulate the media or anything for tht matter. Its the POEPLES choice. The goverment is taking over! WHERE DID OUR FREEDOM GO!!! THERES TO MANY GOD DAM REGULATIONS

  • So what makes this? A left-wing propaganda channel discussing right-wing propaganda.

    Biased?

    Nah.

  • @pilam2013

    Cenk Uygur makes no secret on where he stands. The Young Turks openly say they are progressive all the time. Unlike Fox News, whose goals are to manipulate public opinion while pretending to be fair and balanced.

  • @thisisachair Well that's exactly what I'm saying - TYT openly opposes the right (or so it seems) so the chances of it presenting similar information about Democratic involvement in the media are low. Ergo, my statement.

    I'm not saying this is an issue at all though. It's just interesting to see networks call out FOX, for example, on their OPINION programs and then claim themselves that their word is fact, or lead their viewers into thinking that. IMHO, it makes them look pretty childish.

  • IF THOMAS JEFFERSON WERE ALIVE TODAY HE WOULD BE A LIBERTARIAN

  • I WANT THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF MY LIFE

    DON'T YOU?

    I'M TIRED OF BEING TAXED FOR ILLEGAL, UNCONSTITUTIONAL, UNDECLARED WARS

    AREN'T YOU?

    I AM TIRED OF THE PATRIOT ACT

    AREN'T YOU?

    I AM SICK OF THE DRUG WAR

    AREN'T YOU?

    LIBERTARIANISM IS NOT CHAOS, ITS A SIMPLE RE-EVALUATION OF UNNECESSARY BUREAUCRACIES WHICH COULD BE HANDLED BETTER AT A LOCAL LEVEL

  • ALL MAINSTREAM MEDIA IS CONTROLLED BY CIA. GOOGLE: OPERATION MOCKINGBIRD.

  • That is NPR NBC CBS CNN are Non-Partisan. Oh no somebody questioned the left partisan machine!

  • It always feels a little weird when something you'd always kind of known was true is actually proven beyond a doubt to be a fact. Sad thing is, is I dont even mind bias, what gets me about fox is the pure lack of honesty, there is no honest network on the right side, just these dirty liars who arent coming from any real ideology at all aside from love of money.

  • @Groth1175 and nothing comeing from the left but lies and an ideology of power

  • @landofthebravefull Im not exactly sure what you mean, pleae elaborate.

  • @Groth1175 tell me the amount of times the left media did support stronger govt more regulations and and more plans that make people state dependent

    substract it by the times they supported less control

    what you get?

  • @landofthebravefull It depends on the kind of control, I think public healthcare, Police, Military, Schooling, and Fire Departments and infrastructure are good things, The kind of control Republicans want includes telling you who you can and can not marry, telling you what you can or can not smoke, reducing voting rights, forcing christianity, and telling women what they can do with their own bodies, If you really think Republicans want less control over your life you will be dissapointed.

  • @landofthebravefull Patriot Act sure was small government. Sanctity of Mariage Act, or whatever, was small government. Sanctity of Life Act, which comes every other year, isn't small government. Imposing tax loopholes for friends to make gobs of money and not tax them, isn't small government. Putting religion in schools instead of science, isn't small government. They're not for small government, kiddo, they're for -their- government.

  • @SocialDissimulation obama and all democrats continues all those acts but do you ever hear about that? off corse not, because the media basically blanks out all that info and labelles any one who says any of this "nazistic teabagging racist rednecks" or "idiotic corporate mouth peaces" and no they didnt get rid of science in scool or put relegion in it, they only removed big bang and evolution dou to its debatability

  • @landofthebravefull First and foremost, the Big Bang Theory and the Theory of Evolution are still taught in -every- school in America. They really aren't debatable unless you're grossly uneducated. Secondly, these types of bills are -extremely- hard to repeal, EXTREMELY. By that account you would have to accept the caveats that the Republicans are a socialist party because they continued Social Security, Welfare and Medicare/Medicaid. Poor argument.

  • @SocialDissimulation lol science and religion are just mechanisms that explain the world around us...not science nor religion knows for sure how the universe was created...(thats why its the Big Bang THEORY...its a theory not a fact/proven)...but what you have here is ideas are opposite sides of the spectrum...

  • @123trymeout I'm sorry but you're undereducated. 1. Science is the natural world, religion is the supernatural. 2. Science knows -for a fact- that the universe is expanding from a single point, and that there was singularity. 3. Gravity is JUST A THEORY, and I dare you to test it by jumping off of a cliff. You lose, next.

  • @SocialDissimulation lol 1) if science is the natural world...then therefore science can not explain any more effiectively the start of the universe as religion can...NO ONE was there so we cant know for sure how it all started...any attempt to explain is pure conjucture...and 2) so the universe is expanding...we dont know how that occured for sure so yet again we can not know for sure why/how the expanding began...because theories are strong explanations but are not FACT...

  • @SocialDissimulation by the way...the definition of theory - "A supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, esp. one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained: "Darwin's theory of evolution"."

    thats science for ya

    the definition of doctrine - " A belief or set of beliefs held and taught by a church, political party, or other group"

    I do not see much difference there other than they are opposite sides of the knowledge spectrum...

  • @123trymeout A scientific theory is a type of inductive theory, in that its content (i.e. empirical data) could be expressed within some formal system of logic whose elementary rules (i.e. scientific laws) are taken as axioms. In a deductive theory, any sentence which is a logical consequence of one or more of the axioms is also a sentence of that theory.[2] Herp herp herp herp herp. You're a fucking idiot. SCIENTIFIC THEORY, not THEORY. Herp herp herp herp herp. Undereducated derp derp derp.

  • @SocialDissimulation really? we have empirical data on when the universe created?! who was there when it happen to collect the data? oh wait NO ONE...you are missing my point science is far more reliable than religion is on most things but when you try to explain things that no one actually observed to collect data then thats where science is just as full as religion is..It makes no difference in my opinion if schools taught both creationism and evolution/big bang theory both are pure conjucture

  • @123trymeout Actually, it works a little like this: We see how far and fast the universe is expanding, we see it all expanding -away- from a common point, thus we can deduce that it indeed had a single starting point. Given the rate at which things move, we can actually predict how OLD the universe is by equations, which they have done with the help of several super computers. It's not empirical, kiddo.

  • @123trymeout ignorance is bliss huh champ

  • @SocialDissimulation lol sounds like youre talking about things you really dont understand yourself...but each your own..clearly an art major like yourself is intellectually superior than everyday people...so kudos for making yourself look like an ass and resort to name calling just so you can "win"...

  • @123trymeout So did you not herp herp herp at SCIENTIFIC THEORY, instead of THEORY? Jesus, nice try, but hang it up. You were wrong, get over it and at least learn so I don't have to educate more people. These Christian arguments are -all- the same and you have no idea how often I have to correct people.

  • @123trymeout Uh, he does know what he's talking about and you saying "Well, you're a big jerk!" instead of, you know, learning new things? There are thousands of other books that explain the creation of the universe in far less "it was magic" ways than the Bible. Why have you read absolutely none of them? Hawking, Sagan, Rees, Gardner, Trefil, Feynman, Wilson? Any of them? No? Anyone can read them but you choose not to and cry about people that do being elitist. Definition of a tool.

  • @itsokaytobeafraid lol aw thats sweet you came for her rescue..thats cute..maybe you didnt read all my comments I said that science is more reliable than religion when it comes to everyday things but not abstract events that have never been observed like the creation of the universe..any attempt to explain such things is pure conjucture because no one knows what really happened because no one was there..how hard is that to understand? sure i lean more on the BB theory than a man creating shit...

  • @itsokaytobeafraid do you know why? because it seems more plausible but it is merely an explanation meaning that we can not know for sure if the BB theory happened...and one thing to think about in either case..there is no explanation on why it occurred and what caused it to happen...so to me that seems like a pretty big plothole that is left unanswered...

  • @itsokaytobeafraid and another thing...i do read Hawking and Carl Sagan...but I dont believe everything I read, hear on the radio, or see on TV unlike you...

  • "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism.

    But, under the name of ‘liberalism,’ they will adopt every

    fragment of the socialist program, until one day America

    will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened…

    I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party.

    The Democrat Party has adopted our platform.”

    Norman Mattoon Thomas

    -Six times Presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America. hmm interesting.

  • @Hish927 You need to travel. Go to France, England, Japan, Canada and every other country of Europe. They are socialists (not communists), and life is 100 times better than here. They work for the betterment of their citizens , not for the corporate elite.

  • @zouksesanet no it is, but wait 10 to 5 year, ireland greese portugal and soon probably france

  • @landofthebravefull my mistake now it is

  • @landofthebravefull World systems must come to an end before Christ comes.

  • @zouksesanet What??????

  • @zouksesanet how about you tell me what people from those countries have invented when they became a socialists country. i bet it is no where near what capitalistic countries have invented

  • @Hish927 Life is more than material things. You still don't understand. It's the focus that's wrong in extreme capitalism, profit, profit, profit and it all goes to the very top. The human side is their focus, human development, not just inventions of things, that's materialism. Extreme capitalism needs to be tampered with some good socialism which we already have in the social services that our government provides. Social security, medicare, roads, bridges, airports, dams, electric grid.

  • @Hish927 Public education, low-cost public colleges, All those are geared toward building a strong middle class. A strong middle class that has a high disposable income drives up demand, creates investments, increases the savings rate, reduces poverty. You can't have a population that only works,works, works, and never sees any improvements in their lives. Human development is the best capital a country should invest in its citizens.

  • @Hish927 I see that your channel has The Passion of the Christ movie. Are you a christian? I am. I used to be fooled by the idea that if you are a christian, you have to be a republican. Until I realized that all they care about are the rich, and they use popular social issues to gain the christian vote. And they cause you with misinformation to vote against your own self-interest. No longer! I am now a democrat. Check this website. It's called the christian left. Have an open mind and think.

  • @zouksesanet ---

    Didn't Christ also speak of the probability of the wealthy to go to heaven?

    .

    Also I thought the Biblical Jesus helped and shared with the poor and sick and weak.

    I call the U.S-conservative version of Jesus for Dollar-Jesus, I don't know what kind of bible you read in North America but it sure isn't a version of the one I have right here.

  • @underbjorn Yes, but he said it would be harder for them, because they tend to trust in their riches. Going to heaven is not the issue. The same Bible, translations do not change the ideas.The issue is how do we, as christians, change the world, through personal action, or through political activism? I choose the former, because that's what Jesus did.

  • @zouksesanet ---

    Mate...if you would have lived in Jesus days, there would be no question that his actions were deemed political activism.

    He defied the authorities just like the political activists of today and was met with the same brute force as I see is common from law enforcement in the United States.

  • @underbjorn That was part of his spiritual mission. He had to die in order to redeem mankind from the clutches of Satan.

  • @zouksesanet ---

    It was subversion and political activism against the Jewish Council and Roman provincial government.

  • @Hish927 youtube.com/watch?v=srWgISIs6t­o

  • @Hish927 check out this article on this website: addicting info.org search for the article :christian dominionism and check my comments in the bottom of the page. Peace.

  • @zouksesanet ok yes i am catholic and that video sent me is completely wrong about the tea party and ppl who are like that in the tea party are wrong. and the thing about muslims are becuz as a hristian i can tell you that jesus is perhaps the 2nd most quoted person in the quran after moses. also mary is mentioned more times in the quran then the bible and has her own chapter. me, close minded? i think not. also we dont call this war against religion that is the muslim extremist. (continued)

  • @zouksesanet also i dont think Jesus would want a government to do force charity by what progressives and other would call spreading the wealth. I believe charity should ur be own free will which is what God gave us not through government regulations and such. and did Jesus ever condemned the roman government at the time? i think jesus once said "give onto cesear what belongs to cesaer and belongs to God give to God." (continued)

  • @Hish927 It's not charity, it's a social safety net. Otherwise, the poor and homeless would be all over the streets. Yes, welfare needs to be reformed, but I'm glad it's there (believe me, I know) to help you until you get on your feet. The reference to Jesus and Ceasar, he was talking about taxes and tithing. We owe taxes to Ceasar and tithes to God. Why are you bringing up the Quran? i did not talk about it.

  • @zouksesanet i bring up the quran becuz that video you sent me talks about how we republicans or ppl on the right are closed minded against muslims. also i believe i have an open mind when i look at other religions as well. it houldnt be the governments job to give money away like that its th citizens purpose through free will and morality to help their fellow countryman. and the ceasar part is bout how jesus never condemned governments about not helping but his followers were there to help.

  • @Hish927 Agreed. But some (not all) republicans are very outspoken against muslims, both a religion and as people. They should invite them to dinner, they will see that they are just people.

  • @zouksesanet and at the time the rich were ppl like tax collectors who ould charge you extra so they can pocket what they collect. also i dont quite consider myself a republicann. i like to say conservative/ libertarian. both political parties do favors for ppl who give them money and you think the poor give democrats? no they get their money from unions and they help unions coe more powerful. and what happens when a company or state cant handle paying them and their benifits? ( continued)

  • @zouksesanet they end up having to lay ppl off becuz they cant pay ppl and pay for the benifits and then look at that the ppl who are laid off dont have a job or income for the family. and the democrats keep making these unions stronger and bigger when jobs and states cant handle that kind of money.i say socialism is bad becuz it gives government more power. and government isnt the answer my friend, its the problem.

  • @Hish927 If your point is that Democrats are bad because socialism is bad, apparently the American people will disagree with you on the every fragment of the ideology, but agree with you on the terminology. Interesting indeed. (Assuming Thomas' theory holds.) If your point is that Americans are biased against the word socialism then I guess you made your point.

  • @StrategyFiend im saying socialism is bad

  • @Hish927 "Socialists hold that capitalism is an illegitimate economic system, since it serves the interests of the wealthy and allows the exploitation of lower classes. As such, they wish to replace it completely or at least make substantial modifications to it, in order to create a more just society that would guarantee a certain basic standard of living." There are many versions of socialist ideology, I find nothing "bad" with the quoted. Capitalism has merits, but needs Socialism mixed in too

  • @StrategyFiend Yes, you're right/ They are biased and ignorant.

  • @Hish927 If only that was still true

  • if it takes this^ to figure out FOXnews is leaning conservative/republican, you are infact a MORON

  • cenk uygur tells it best!!!!!

  • Fox is Pox.

  • Both Fox and Msnbc are bought and paid for. Fox did call victory for Bush but, in 2008 Msnbc was talking like they liked the Constitution, even Olbermann was building up Ron Paul for 2008 but then came George H. W. Obama and Msnbc went for Bush 3.0. Msnbc is a joke just like fox. Jesse Ventura said it best when he said Obama ran on change. Where the hell is the change ! Same wars, Same spending and same policies.

    Ron Paul / Jesse Ventura 2012 Time to put Bush and Obama in jail.

  • They must have been sick of hearing the same 'ol shit leftist propoganda from the liberal cesspools of the networks.

    I only began to watch FOX NEWS a few years ago, because of how much it gets under the skin of the mainstream sheep such as some of you. I'm not convinced this 'document' is even real, but I know who is. You are. You'll believe anything. After watching the news on msnbc, cbs, abc, cnn, & FOX, what I'm saying is if there's 2 sides to every story, wouldn't you want to hear them both?

  • @RageAgainstRustyCage

    I'm not convinced this 'document' is even real,

    I'm not convinced this 'document' is even real,

    LMAO...

    Your logic is one source is good enough

    even though 5 other sources says is wrong.

    if thats not brain control I dont know what is--

  • @izaccy Nooooo, Brain control is having 5 sources echoing everything exactly the same story. Try again. Way to go. You just stay in line, like a good little sheep.

  • @RageAgainstRustyCage There is also facts to every story, trust me when i tell you you don't get any facts on fox news, research and see for yourself...people who keep only watching fox news become less educated and more ignorant because they are not treated to any facts...

  • @ddman10001 Really? Like I said, I only began watching it a few years ago, & I feel as though I've heard the other side, finally. You know, the side that gets no representation on those other channels? How can a channel educate it's viewers without using facts? What's really irritating is you seem to be saying I've become 'less educated' & more 'ignorant'. 'trust me', you say? What an ignorant thing to say! 'trust me', because i'm so much'holier than thou' because i watch cnn and i'm smarter?'da

  • @ddman10001 This doesn't concern you. You don't reside in even the same hemisphere!

  • 0:59 awwww look at young hannity, still a ugly mongoloid fuckface.

  • idk why it is so bad to have a Republican tv next work while there are alot of left tv networks its like saying there can only be one view out there and only 1 bias blows my mind

  • @xInv3itabl3x1 I dont know.Maybe bc other tv networks dont say propaganda pure piece of shit lies like "health care socialist death panels" or that president went to school at muslim fundamentalist madrasahs.Or throw terms like him being a racist,a communist Marxist. Maybe bc there is having normal bias which is fair argument & then there is FoxNews that only started for political propaganda & the very head of it thinks its viewers are lazy/stupid & will believe all their shit. Idk though.

  • Yes, TYT is also biased. But their slogan isn't "Fair and Balanced". Neither is MSNBC's.

  • How did Bush not win the electoral vote?

    Nothing like one propaganda machine ridiculing another propaganda machine!

    The left must keep talking about fox news and celebrities within the GOP. If they talk about actual positions on issues, people may start to read and develop their own opinions!

    They've been extremely succesful at marketing NPR and MSNBC as the last place for the mythical concept of unbiased news programs.

    And the US is now more of a socialist nation than Canada.

  • @VictoryCough he didn't win due to a shortage of votes in his favor.

  • @cpufightclub

    Bush got 271 to Gore's 266.

    Yet the left is still talking about the 2000 election! Move on!

    The left literally does not want to talk about the *actual* issues, rather play a game of partisan politics.

  • @VictoryCough Because Bushed fucked up the country.

  • @VictoryCough Canada has socialized medicine, is generally healthier, and spends less on healthcare than the U.S. The Big Three (Ford, GM, Chrysler) like to move/keep jobs in Canada because they don't have to pay an arm or a leg for health insurance. The US is hardly as "socialist" as Canada.

  • @Ou8y2k2 So basically you're saying the litmus test for determining whether a nation is socialist or not is if they have universal healthcare?

    That's pretty naive.

    Compare the amount of industries that have been nationalized in the US to those in Canada.

  • @VictoryCough Considering health care/insurance is a multiple trillion dollar industry in the US and is nationalized in Canada, you bet your arse it's a litmus test.

  • @Ou8y2k2 Neither Canada or the US are socialist countries. Like all the developed world they're mixed economies. The word 'socialist' seems to be bandied around way too much these days in the US without any factual reference to what it really means. Even Canada's NHS style system (like ours in the UK) isn't technically 'socialist' because the Government doesn't directly control the means of production- what socialism means. At best it's part quasi- socialist/mixed economy/ independently run.

  • @MrDragon1968 Thanks for paraphrasing Wikipedia. Now get VictoryCough to read it. :-) What I was trying to get across is that the US is not as 'socialist' because insurance is a bigger and more complicated industry here than in Canada.

  • @Ou8y2k2 Lol, I'm not paraphrasing Wikipedia. It's an observation. We constantly hear all this stuff about 'socialism' (or 'socialised') from the US by people who've never picked up a dictionary, or actually know what it means. I grew up in the '70's when Britain was teetering towards socialism, with many industries nationalised, but even then I wouldn't have called it a 'socialist' country. Venezuela is a socialist country. There's a difference I think a lot of Americans don't realise.

  • @Ou8y2k2 BTW, I wasn't agreeing or disagreeing with either of you about the US/Canada. I just read the 'socialist/socialised' words and wanted to make an observation about what you were both saying. 'Socialised medicine' in ref to Canada (or the UK) is a weird terminology that seems to have come out of the US. If that's the case our schools, fire service, police, army, bin collectors, roads, street lighting, border controls etc are all 'socialised' too ;-)

  • @MrDragon1968 This type of weird terminology came out of right wing think tanks. BTW, I agree with your last two posts.

  • @Ou8y2k2 ...Yeah, it's a weird term. I first heard it as a kid when we lived in Arizona for a while. No one calls it that in the UK (or any other developed country). Both left & right UK political parties are for the system, even Thatcher (who made cuts to it) refused to get rid of the NHS. The 'socialised' term is often used in the US to 'psychologically' scare some Americans. Ironically I think the US situation with Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac was more 'socialist'. No Gov' would do that here.

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  • @MrDragon1968 There is reform for efficiency and patient health, and then there is reform just to end the NHS. I highly doubt all PMs from Thatcher to Cameron belong in the former group. But what do I know, I'm a fucking yank.

  • @Ou8y2k2 I think Cameron's coalition Gov't are genuinely into improvement on efficiency & patient health within the NHS, though whether they're proposals are good remains to be seen. They're quite radical. The only NHS 'reform' Thatcher was ever really interested in was making cuts (why the Cons eventually lost the '97 election), however she was right to open the market up to optional private insurance. The NHS is a serious political issue in the UK for Brits. No Gov't can afford to mess it up.

  • @Ou8y2k2 Just a further thought- something that may interest you. During the angry political debate in the US a year ago about US H/C reform (where Canada & the UK's NHS style system was factually utterly erroneously bashed endlessly by Republicans), where neither of those systems had any relevance at all to the US proposals, the system they actually should have looked at for comparison was the Swiss system. They do universal H/C all insurance/ private, but for much less cost than the US per/c.

  • @MrDragon1968 Yes, Switzerland, the Netherlands even Singapore should have been looked at. The problem is that the Republicans didn't want a healthcare bill and successfully watered down the bill that Obama passed. No public option and limited cost control means much of Europe will still have better overall care than the US.

  • @Ou8y2k2 I hear ya. It's not even just Europe, pretty much all the developed world. No developed country has modeled itself on the US system- even Israel has a universal health care National Insurance style system similar to the UK (interesting THAT was never mentioned in the US debates!). The other they should have noted is Australia's system. The UK's NHS system wouldn't suit the US (for starters too many federal state issues) but there are so many other varying existing systems to reference.

  • @MrDragon1968 Any UHC system is worth a try, if it can mitigate the loss of over 44,000 americans per year. US care is in the top 40, when it should be in the top 10. Australia seems to run their system well with a lower overall tax burden than many other countries. It would get my vote.

  • when republicans and conservabots say fox news is the most unbiased media source, you cant argue, the same way you cant argue with a guy who says the moon is made of cheese.

  • @Miraculousblog The question is are the nazi liberal leftist libtard, We The People, the republican side of the fence. From your comment, guessing nazi liberal leftist libtard. I could be wrong and your blowing hot air. This much is fact !!!, you lean heavy to the left or the right. You do think the moon is made of cheese. There moles in the republican party too, not near as many in the libtard party and pravda media. That is fact!!!!!!!!!.

  • Cenk, SHUT UP AND LET THE GUY TALK! He knows the details better than you do!

  • Fox News is horribly biased, but then most people know that. However for the sake of consistency the TYT is also biased, and they seem to endorse RT which is every bit as biased as Fox; only it acts as Vladimir Putin's propaganda channel instead- where the Russian Gov't never gets criticised yet Europe & America constantly are to endless degrees. At least the BBC attempts not to be biased, even though sometimes it is a little.

  • @MrDragon1968 You baised like the libtard media that lied so much in bush's term dan rather was disgraced by the leftist libtard liberals as their propaganda puppet. You need to learn what the hell you talk before accusing fox and including the egg s*cking libtard media as well. Everybody with the IQ of 50 or higher knows they are the biggest liars of them all. I am beginning to wonder how many of them is closet politicians posing as media.

  • @PatriotTexas I could barely understand your English Dude.

  • Isn't this a conspiracy?

  • @volumedealer1 how is it a conspiracy?

  • @cpufightclub why don't you ask another dumb question?

  • @volumedealer1 Oh, I am sorry. I thought conspiracies were those theories thought up by cranks illustrating connections between multinational business, governments, and wars in the middle east to make the world safe for Democracy.

  • mfw this guy somehow thinks fox saying bush won the election caused him to win... whatthefuckman.jpg

  • @notbuttershift1 it does cause him to win the election

  • Cenk should go ON FOX and say this, otherwise lets concentrate on bigger more important things, savvy?

  • This is news? Fox lovers (willfully ignorant teabagging idiots) ignored this since 1996. I mean