I just extend non-aggression to all animals. If I was starving and had no choice, this comes under self defence. Most of us are perfectly capable of living without using aggression towards animals, unless you live in the arctic or the desert perhaps, but that can also be a choice.
I am in such a situation, where there is plenty for me to eat without needing to eat animals. So, I choose not to.
@crothersdaniel Many humans are also capable of living without aggression towards plants, if they wish (by eating 100% animal diets, like the Inuit) lol. But that's just a personal choice.
I'm perfectly okay with you extending non-agression to all animals at a personal level. But codifying that into law through actual legal rights should be out of the question, obviously. You are free to live that lifestyle, and I am free to live a different one.
@dick391 Plants and animals are different by the way :p I hope I don't need to explain how. And as for laws, I am an anarchist, anti-statist, whatever you want to call it, so I don't believe in enforcing my opinions upon people.
I just think everybody will come around to it one day.
@crothersdaniel Of course they're different, but that's not a legitimate reason for why animals are owed the non-aggression principle. That said, I'm sure you have developed your own strong moral reasoning for why they should be owed it.
At least you're honest about not wanting to enforce your opinions on others. But the irony of an anarchist system is that the end result may be much fewer freedoms than a state-enforced one. What good are your freedoms if others are "free" to take it away.
@crothersdaniel That's why I always have a good laugh at anarcho-socialists who believe that anarchism will bring about a worker's paradise somehow. More than likely, it would be the exact opposite. The rich and powerful can exert their power without facing legal repercussions from a democratically-elected government. Who do you think will win the "fight" without government rules? How shallow is "freedom" when you are not willing to enforce others rights to it.
@dick391 I really think you need to learn about the relationship between 'The State' and 'Force', if you think that the former protects against the latter.
@crothersdaniel I probably have a much better understanding of that relationship than most anarchists. The difference is I'm not under any illusion that removing the state will remove force. Force exists in the absense of the state. So choose your poison. Force adminstered by a democratically elected government (by no means perfect), or force adminstered by the strongest, most coercive elements of society. Its no wonder anarchism always devolves into tyrranic rule by the few.
@crothersdaniel Surely you believe that murder and many other great immoral activities should be enforced and protected against? I think you do believe in enforcing opinions on others. The question is, to what extent and to what purpose?
The Inuit do not have a choice. They live in the Arctic circle.
Anyway this is really a philosophical issue. I have friends whose families raise cows and chickens and I think that's perfectly fine, but I think what goes on in factories should be illegal. I think the real error in judgement arises when people assume that non-human animals have more in common with plants and fungi than they do with humans. They may not be able to convey emotions in language but be sure that they suffer greatly.
How on earth can animals have rights in any meaningful sense of the word. The possession of rights necessitates responsibilities to others, the ability to make moral decisions and consciousness of how those decisions affect others. Animals do not possess these attributes.
Legally speaking, the idea of animals having rights is hilarious. Can a bird sue you when you chop down a forest to build a home? Can a dog sue you because you discriminated against it when you hired a human being instead?
@dick391 Just because someone says animals should have rights does not mean they're saying they should have all the same legal liberties that humans have. That would be absurd, and you're absurd for suggesting that that's what is being proposed. I think people should be able to raise animals for food, but what we do in factories should be absolutely illegal.
@JaredHutcheson1 Never suggested that animal rights activists were proposing they should have all the same legal liberties. My example was to show the absurdity of codifying into law even a tiny fraction of the liberties that humans have. It's pretty misleading to talk about banning factory farming, for example, as though that somehow equates to conferring rights. That's a legislative action to stop something you don't agree with. But animals being given actual legal rights? Hilarious, dude.
@dick391 I get what you're saying. What we should say is that we need a extensive and comprehensive set of laws dictating what we can and cannot do to other species, and that may include different guidelines for different species. When we say the word 'rights', it can seem to imply that the possessor can stand up for them. But then again, there's children & infants, the mentally disabled, etc. They certainly have "rights".
@JaredHutcheson1 Agreed. Lawyers can sue on the behalf of children, infants, the mentally disabled etc. when their rights have been breached. But to confer such legal rights to animals to do the same would be quite silly. If you want to pass legislation that bans certain actions against animals, fine.
Humans that are cognitively unable to participate in the legal system are an exception to the rule. On the other hand, there is not a single animal alive capable of such participation.
Some people are spontaneous vegetarians and some are not. Noam Chomsky ... not. Meat eaters are meat eaters because they can. Despots are despots because they can. "Now some they do and some they don't And some you just can't tell And some they will and some they won't For some it's just as well" ARTIST: Supertramp TITLE: Goodbye Stranger Lyrics and Chords
I have read a lot of nonsense comments to this video. The simple fact is the only people qualified to talk about vegetarianism are vegetarians, and i don't mean for a week, month or year. It takes a least 6 years for your body to adjust, and to lose the cravings. Be sure that meat is addictive, like tobacco, hence all the hysteria from meat eaters. To put this in context, i am a vegetarian for 36 years, all my children have never eaten meat, we are all healthy, strong, and intelligent.
@UncleIrv2 It was actually the peak of racism and nationalism that plunged the world into war in the 20th century. Chomsky's liberal views are as far from both as they can be. Also, he's a brilliant scientist and one among the smartest of social observers today.
@enyvl fascism was a reaction to communist stalinism. Everyone was more racist back then, it was neither here nor there in terms of starting of wars, the horrors of the holocaust are a different matter and the main reason for our modern day stifling polictical correctness. ww2 in terms of germany was really a continuation of ww1. I used to be a chomsky fan until I started to see flaws in his reasoning, and after hearing his views on the bin laden assassination I no longer listen to him at all.
@hieraxhideo That's a fair point, but I think it's fairly safe to say that both Stalin and Hitler were monsters and anyone who had still supported them or their organizations/regimes by the time of WW2 were blinded by propaganda.
On the topic of Chomsky's opinion of Bin Laden's death, I don't see anything wrong with it. He said that killing an unarmed man is murder, which is true. However, he also said that taking him to trial would have been a disaster, which I think is also true.
@enyvl right after posting here I found a redeeming video of chomsky being very critical of post modernism. I simply don't agree about seeking the down side of bin ladens assassination, considering the horror he was responsible for, the loss of innocent lives, he truly, truly deserved that, and worse, by any standards. I just cant see how it could be anything to complain about, armed or unarmed.
@hieraxhideo Of course I can't speak for Noam Chomsky, but in my view the problem is not that Bin Laden has been killed - nobody in their right mind would miss him - but rather that the authorities that executed the attack did so with no regard for the "rules". Still, even those who condemn killing an unarmed man often admit that killing Bin Laden was probably the best choice given the circumstances.
@enyvl the other time aul noam let me down was somewhere on the youtube he responds to a question regarding something financial, can't recall what it was exactly, but something he'd invested in that he had been generally preaching about as evil. In my mind he could have come up with a good retort about being trapped in the 'machine' like everyone else but his only comeback was a quite stroppy 'do as i say not as i do'... I mean the guy was once my hero (although his books are a dead boring read)
@enyvl I can't seem to find it - but it's there on the net somewhere. The best I could fine were in google searches for 'chomsky trust fund', but he says it in one of his video interviews. But it's not really a big deal he was just getting hot headed, he's certianly a smart guy and as I said I couldn't have blamed him he has to exist in the capitalist society like the rest of us. For me it was the beginning of noticing his fallability
You have never read any works from Chomsky. You call him leftist so he fits your straw man argument. He is a symbol of justice and speaks only of personal responsibility, freedom for all, and progress of mankind. He criticizes all power systems for their violent acts and has done so since the 1960's. No one group which commits contemptuous acts is off limits for his critique, of which there's plenty of hard facts and explanation to find. Do the human race a favor and think
No, I don't rape animals. What a terrible, and inhuman, thing to accuse someone of! How unprogressive! How vapid, simpering and prim of you! Vegetarianism is to ethics what Mainline Protestantism is to religion.
The limiting amino acid tends to be different in different proteins, so when two foods providing vegetable protein are eaten at a meal, such as a cereal (e.g. bread) and a pulse (e.g. baked beans), the amino acids of one protein may compensate for the limitations of the other, resulting in a combination of higher biological value.
When a protein contains the essential amino acids in a proportion similar to that required by humans, we say that it has high biological value. When one or more essential amino acids are scarce, the protein is said to have low biological value. The amino acid that is in shortest supply in relation to need is termed the limiting amino acid
Horse hockey! If people were meant to be vegetarians, they would have teeth like cows and stomachs like gorillas. Hitler was a vegetarian and that didn't stop him from being cruel.
@FarEastPoke "Hitler was a vegetarian and that didn't stop him from being cruel." First, have any evidence that Hitler was vegetarian? You probably have rumors that you acquired as self-serving beliefs, but no evidence, right? Fact is his own diary and the diaries of his cousin/lover indicate that he frequently ate rotting animal flesh.
Next, you certainly wouldn't deny most murder, mayhem, atrocities of mass destruction are committed almost exclusively by flesh eaters, would you?
@FarEastPoke ""would have teeth like cows and stomachs like gorillas." By this logic though it would logically follow that all herbivores share exactly all those traits. But we know that many herbivores, ruminants in particular, has unique jaws and stomachs, but these are not the only herbivores. You do know that Charles Darwin concluded that the natural diet of man is herbivore, right? But I don't recommend you take his authority or mine, I recommend we each find out for ourselves.
@FathomlessJoy thats extreme ignorance in digestive physiology , hUMAN CAN4T DIGEST fibres ( cellilose ) because they lack the enzyme that can do that unlike cows and sheeps , they actually rely on colon bacteria to do the work
@saddemgargouri "thats extreme ignorance in digestive physiology , hUMAN CAN4T DIGEST fibres ( cellilose ) because they lack the enzyme that can do that unlike cows and sheeps , they actually rely on colon bacteria to do the work "
And this had what to do with the conversation? LOL You just plug your absolute rubbish into any argument, don't ya. You are soooo going to make a perfect doctor ;)
@FathomlessJoy has to do with your claiming that humans are vegetarian , it's absolutely non sense , because your body enzyme CAN ONLY BREAK 1.4 GLUCOSE binds ( liaison do your translation ) thats mean you can leave on green plants you have to eat wheat and other stuff like that , or Glycogen sources
@saddemgargouri Let's get a bit more basic than that, before you go blind drilling down into too many levels at wikipedia ;) You stated previously, many times, that plant foods do not have all of the essential amino acids. I am curious if you can name a single plant food that does not contain every amino acid? That will help us establish some common ground for discussion as adults perhaps.
@saddemgargouri Can you please name for me a single fruit or vegetable that does not have every single essential amino acid? I will give you a hint: that aint one! LOL Every plant food contains every essential amino acid, sorry bud. I know that you heard on Oprah something else, that Dr. Oz has you worshiping at the alter of fish (snake) oils, but here have been the facts.
@FathomlessJoy essential amino acid wikipedia , then compare it with your super orange data , and my eggs . and be honest this time , thanks you will see that Human needs and the 8 amino acids are different . for example the i did copy an entire article you didn't read it ,
@saddemgargouri "has to do with your claiming humans are vegetarian" For humans to be omnivore, they must be able to live as either herbivore or carnivore depending on food availability. I prove man can abolutely live as 100% herbivore. Fact, proven, been there done that, with hundreds of millions of peeps. BUT no man has EVER proved that man can live 100% carnivore. Sorry. It simply has not happened. Be the first. Prove what you're saying, it'll give your rantings more weight ;)
@saddemgargouri Not without burning it to death. The trouble is, when you cook rotting flesh powerful carcinogens are formed that alter the DNA of a body's cells. Bummer :(
@FathomlessJoy ???? do you know that DNA and RNA are the same in both plants and Animals ( ATGC , (U for RNA )) ,you did this twice now , first your super oranges and this ridicules claims
@FathomlessJoy READ , it's not hard , i did finish bio energy book in 3 days , most of it is data you don't need , 8 hours max and you will have an good idea about nutrition . also next time never talk about animal protein you , will lose and even get ridiculed , just limit your self to Fats which are meat' weak point , specially red meat , educate your self about Fat saturation ,
@saddemgargouri Sure. 100%? No, but enough for life, sure. Not all plants are high cellulose. The good news is: cellulose fiber helps keep the bowles moving and healthy. This is why flesh eaters, who get zero fiber from meat, have such high rates of colon cancer :(
The bad news is that man cannot digest rotting flesh, not without burning it to death. The trouble is, when you cook ALL rotting flesh powerful carcinogens are formed that alter the DNA of a body's cells. Bummer :(
@FarEastPoke How does anyone expect human babies to absorb enough fat and protein to develop our nervous systems without animal protein? How could mothers provide enough milk, enough high quality milk, to their offspring without ingesting at least some animal protein? The human species is omnivorous. Vegetarianism is only possible in limited situations; without meat, we'd have been stuck in climates that provide vegetables and fruits and grains all year long.
@NixonisLord That brings up an interesting point. How do you know when you buy animal flesh, especially processed carcass or flesh at a restaurant, how do you know it is not human flesh? Think that is beneath humans...ritual cannibalism while hiding the truth from the masses? Better guess again. The point is, you don't know. The more basic point it: it is sick.
@FathomlessJoy Because the chicken or beef or lamb would taste like very strong pork and the marbleing of the fat would be different; I've read accounts of people forced to eat human meat and that's what they say it tastes like. I've also worked in a hospital in which I saw enough body parts to know the differences between animal meat and our own. It's only sick if it's immoral-and once again, veggies have failed to make any real point except for they don't eat meat. Fine.
@NixonisLord "I've read accounts of people forced to eat human meat and that's what they say it tastes like" Ah so you read in a book somewhere that you are not being fed human flesh? Riiight.
I know I eat whole fruits and veggies because nothing else looks or tastes like an orange or banana or broccoli or kale. No man can make things grow like that and man is not intelligent enough to grow skins and pods and vegetation in that manner.
@NixonisLord "also worked in a hospital in which I saw enough body parts to know the differences between animal meat and our own " Not if processed, seasoned, cooked, etc? Like at a store or restaurant, right? Also, certain cuts of animal flesh can certainly resemble human flesh. And as you say, it has been reported to taste very similar to certain types of animal flesh.
@NixonisLord "It's only sick if it's immoral" Moral codes are beliefs to cure fear. We don't have to believe that animals are raped and tortured for humans to devour their rotting carcasses, we just have to open our eyes and look at reality, what is.
@FathomlessJoy The even more basic point is: How do you know this? Can you prove it? I don't know when I buy pork that it's not human-I don't test every slice of bacon. What truth am I hiding from the masses-the masses who are 95% carnivore in the West-it's a middle/upper middle class White affectation to be vegan. Vegetarianism is to diet what NPR and Mainline Protestantism are to radio and religion.
@NixonisLord Sounds like you have it all figured out (I am being facetious). But at the end of the day: do you rape and torture animals to eat their rotten carcass parts? If so, you don't have much credibilty, so you have to work a little harder. Sorry.
@NixonisLord I am having trouble picking out a point here. What is it? Is this merely an elaborate justification to rape and torture for the false security of the status quo?
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A person does not need hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption. Even non-religious people know this.
Homosexual activists, with support from the media, have successfuly framed themselves as noble victims; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
Not a day goes by that I don't get powerful cravings to eat meat.
Having a more conscious and rational view of how we treat conscious life, the implications of these will powerful affect the way we view our selves and treat others. The evidence for this is stunning, so to honour my integrity I had to do a very difficult thing. However, although I'm not perfect, this symbolises the person I want to be and will continue work to becoming.
@lanceawatt Are you still on dairy and eggs? These are also addictive and can fuel those cravings. I would recommend a detox - nothing elaborate, just a juice or water fast for a few days, then work in raw fruits and veggies, then back to cooked. I simply have too many great foods in my life to miss meat. Have you been to vegwebDOTcom? It has 15K vegan recipes from vegans who know how to cook!
Hahaha! I'm now ready to take the notion that ANYTHING can potentially be funny as an axiomatic truth..."you can't do it...there's no way to torture a rock"...bahahahha...
Please visit my channel for the unpopular truth about homosexuality.
A person does not need hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption. Even non-religious people know this.
Homosexual activists, with support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
@DystopianEmpire01 They sell Garden Gnome Chomskys, I was gonna buy one but theyre quite expensive. I think a bobblehead would be an excellent compromise!
Bobby1987....who told you 'animals are there for us to eat?'....who planted that idea in your head?It's hardly a modern idea to refrain from meat eating or killing any other human.You allow people to refrain from meat eating for 'religious reasons'.Have you checked out what these 'religious' reasons are?The Buddhist view is based on compassion and wisdom.Please check it out,brother.
People who only eat vegetables and no meat are so spoiled (unless for religious reasons or allergies). People all over of the world are dying of hunger and these bitches are complaining about not eating steak. These animals are there for us to eat, period. These people think they are being so "modern" and so "compassionate" when instead they just have too much time on their hands and they are spoiled with their "freedoms" so they'll find issues where ever possible.
@bobbobby1987 you do realize that it takes more resources to produce meat than plants. More land being used, more forest being destroyed, more people starving. The more vegetarians there are, the more food there is in the world.
@traditionalsmith Perhaps, but their intention is not save the land, but rather the animal cruelty involved in eating meat. Second, if that land is not being used to sustain cattle or other livestock, it will surely find an alternate purpose as an industrial or commercial development. You are point maybe valid but lacks sufficient depth.
@bobbobby1987 you can't really say that vegetarians are vegetarians for a specific reason, everyone has their own reasons and a lot of vegetarians are aware of the deforestation problems etc, your third world argument 'lacks depth', if a man eats a steak instead of a potato it makes no difference to a starving child.
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i get ur point here... but i think what u represent here has more to do with academics in general, not chomsky specifically... check this cartoon of calvin and hobbes illustrating what i mean, and what i think u mean,,, haha --> denisdutton (.) com/calvin_hobbes_writing (.) jpg
Animal rights are important, but not for cows and chickens. For dolphins, chimpanzee, intelligent and endangered species. More animals are killed in crop harvesting than meat production, so the moral argument from suffering is redundant. Vegetarianism is economically and environmentally better, but currently far more charity is spent on animals we already treat insanely well such as dogs which is a shame. Putting the welfare of an anonymous animal above a human is one of the most immoral acts.
@valleyshrew "More animals are killed in crop harvesting than meat production" There are billions of animals tortured and slaughtered every year for man's pleasure that disagree. However, it is good that you are at least somewhat concerned about animal deaths within our food supply. So my question: do you know the number one consumer of US food crops? The answer will surprise you, I think. The number one consumer of US crops is livestock. Simple fact. Revealing truth. Enjoy!
@FathomlessJoy I think in a hundred years people will eat meat but won't harm animals. They will grow meat much like they grow human organs now. It could happen in ten years and there would be no need to waste crops on livestock anymore. It would be 100 times more efficient and couple that with towers of hydroponic systems and all kinds of food become abundant and without any need for pesticides and chemicals, a lot less water, no waste and without harming animals. No need for fields anymore.
@oshory You still need an energy source, Dr. Frankenstein.
We have it now. Many of the "meats" made from plants are so much like meat they easily fool the most myopic meat eaters. There's simply no reason to eat meat anymore, if there ever was, on the contrary every indication is that it has to stop ASAP.
Now back to plant-based fake "meats" I don't eat them much because a whole plant-based diet coupled with modest cooking skill is awesome. I LOVE to eat and don't miss rotten flesh at all.
@FathomlessJoy Plant based fake meats can never replace steak. Right now I am looking at a herd of black angus cattle directly in front of my window on the other side of the road and I want to eat them. But everyday i see them play and grow and I really don't like that we have to kill them to eat them. Energy sources will be provided with zero waste. It can all be done in ten years I think. I base this claim on Anthony Atala's work on growing human muscle. Food production was my idea I think.
@oshory Says you! When and what was the last meat substitute you had? I had some sieten steak a couple weeks ago that was AWESOME, unbelievably real. You tried it? Also there's soyrizo that's killer (though w/o cruelty ;), burger crumbles in the freezer that I use for nachos that are superb, etc
Closer to the heart, it seems like you are deeply conflicted. I wouldn't expect scientists to figure that out for you. I would examine that conflict; see the truth of it; it is not an accident! Peace.
@FathomlessJoy it's not stupid, it's the truth. Today I am eating solely meat products for dinner as proof that for every animal you don't eat, I'm eating three.
@FathomlessJoy Ah yes, very mature. As long as its a food I would mostly agree, except for the fact that there is no stuffing into the throat since I learned this amazing thing called chewing my food. I can even do it with my mouth closed.
@astarotcito I am with you brother! I love and have compassion for animals. I do not eat them or any product made from them. Incidental death in the crop fields, while tragic, is perhaps unavoidable, like human deaths on the train tracks. The systemic rape and torture of innocent sentient beings for pleasure, as in livestock farming, is not the same thing. BTW: most crops are used to feed livestock, so livestock industry causes most crop deaths, not human produce. Peace.
@ryko26 Yes, how do you think they are kept reproducing at this unnatural and unsustainable rate? 16 Billion animals (more than 2 times the number of human beings) are consumed by humans every year and that is on a pace to double in less than 20 years. Yes, they are raped, especially on dairy farms, as the milk cow has to be constantly pregnant, so her calf is stripped from her and slaughtered and she subsequently is raped again. Real sick shit!
@FathomlessJoy "Yes, they are raped, especially on dairy farms, as the milk cow has to be constantly pregnant"
Roflmao! Welcome to nature! Females of all species go around pregnant as often as possible. The only reason female humans don't in some parts of the world is because of contraception. Anyway, the moral problem presented in this video is largely irrelevant to the future. The future of meat production is in cloning of muscle tissue and has no suffering component.
@Gnomefro "Anyway, the moral problem presented in this video is largely irrelevant to the future" Morals serve no purpose other than for believers to feel good about themselves. Every moral or ideal is forever wedded to its contradiction. Sorry.
@Gnomefro "The future of meat production is in cloning of muscle tissue and has no suffering component" This digusting manipulation and mutilation of life would only address part of the problem. Look at this holistically. We still have to find a nutritional source to fuel your Fraken-meat; tens of billions of livestock today comsume more than 50% of the world's food, set to double in 20 years. Also there's unhealthy ingestion of disgusting disease and death, which is killing humanity.
@FathomlessJoy You'll note one interesting thing though, both that future and one where everyone are vegetarians imply that a vast number of sentient beings will never even exist. It's certainly possible to view that as a moral problem if you want to extend rights to animals, because exterminating everyone in Africa to avoid suffering due to hunger would cause most people to hesitate. Suffering in itself does not negate the value of having a life. Nor does death.
@Gnomefro "vegetarians imply that a vast number of sentient beings will never even exist" There goes an arrogant human again thinking he understands how the nature of all animals works, when he lacks the intelligence even to have peace with his neighbors. ROFL
@Gnomefro "It's certainly possible to view that as a moral problem" Again, moral codes are for dull-minded believers, invented for the illusion of human progress. They are fiction, beliefs that only muddy up the matter.
@Gnomefro "because exterminating everyone in Africa to avoid suffering due to hunger would cause most people to hesitate" Sorry, but what are you even babbling about?
@Gnomefro "Suffering in itself does not negate the value of having a life. Nor does death." Ah, so it is wise and prudent, therefore, to consider the good deads done in the utterly insane evil of unnatural animal reproduct, rape, torture and eating of their rotting disease carcasses. I see. Real smart, chief!
@FathomlessJoy as a medical student ( future doctor ) i have an idea about nutrition unlike vegetarian protein animal protein is much better protein , the reason is that animal protein has a larger amount of essential amine acids ( 8 for human , 12 for chicken ) . without a special diet you wont be able to satisfy your need for these 8 amine acids . in practical , you won't be able to build muscle nor grow . not to mention taste , i myself big consumer of eggs and fish
@saddemgargouri "as a ... ( future doctor )" Well, all doctors today were once in kindergarten as "future doctors" ;)
I don't have to go to school to see that raping and toturing animals for pleasure of eating their diseased rotting carcasses is wrong. If you learn that eventually in school, it will likely be the most expensive, yet the most valuable lesson of your life.
Strange thing tho that while most doctors say, "STOP EATING MEAT" they still eat it themselves.
@saddemgargouri "he reason is that animal protein has a larger amount of essential amine acids " Nope, you are sadly misinformed. Strangely though, being misinformed about nutrition you should fit right in as a medical profession ;)
@saddemgargouri "without a special diet you wont be able to satisfy your need for these 8 amine acids " That is simply not true. All fruits and veggies have an abundance of all 8 essential amino acids. All of them. Sorry.
And they are called "amino acids" [ahem] Doctor ;)
@FathomlessJoy s All fruits and veggies ??? really now even a high school student knows thats fruits are composed of water , sugar and cellulose which is a type of sugar humans can't digest ( fibres ) for you
@saddemgargouri Name a single fruit or veggie that does not have all 8 essential amino acids, please. Can you? I could save you time, and let you know that there are none, but I want you to sweat it out. So, doctor, name for all us a single fruit or veggie that does not have all 8 essential amino acids. Ok? Can you??
@saddemgargouri "i myself big consumer of eggs" Which is strange because the guidelines from doctors are the MAX amount of LDL a human body can stand per day from diet is 1 egg. Any more than 1 egg per day, including all the LDL in the rest of your animal foods in your day including fish, and you exceeded the max LDL intake for humans. Sorry.
@saddemgargouri "i myself big consumer of eggs " So tell me, doctor, how is eating the menstruations of female chickens healthy and natural? Would it not be more natural for you to live off of human female menstruations?
@FathomlessJoy you seem an ignorant of any biochemistry why don't you recheck how human body treats cholesterol , about 80 % of cholesterol is made by human liver , from 6 P glucose , that portion change if i eat more cholesterol , not to mention more will be changed into fat , since i practice sport , that is Ok with me
@saddemgargouri Can you please name a single veggie or fruit that does not contain every single essential amino acid, please? That challenge has been made, can you possibly show the world some fact?
@saddemgargouri "you seem an ignorant of any biochemistry " Actually, all I did was talk about the nutritional guidelines established by doctors as to the amount of dietary LDL that a human should not exceed. These guidelines are longstanding and clear, but perhaps you have more insight you'd like to share?
@saddemgargouri Whether you "practice sport" or not, young student, your argument is with the doctors and scientists who established the dietary limit for LDL for humans. Argue your babble with them. You do know the recommendations right?
@saddemgargouri "my argument is based on biochemistry " Yep! You offer a very thorough pic of what it is not ;)
Still waiting for you to name a single fruit or veggie that does not have all 8 essential amino acids. Also, for you to confirm that oranges are 8% protein, nearly twice as much as mother's milk. Stick those questions in your magic Biochem machine and pull out the answers ;)
amino nitrogen after acid hydrolysis argues against the presence
of an appreciable amount of protein in the clear juice firdt thing found online there is only 12 %solid in orange only 0.1 is nitrogen means less than 1 % AA , (0.16 g of nitrogen is equal to one 1 g of AA , ) stop lying dude e
@saddemgargouri LOL This has absolutely nothing to do with the content of protein in an orange. It is 8% protein. I have verified it myself with the USDA and the FDA databases. It is a fact. But I have to say that was the BEST bullshit non-answer I have seen on youtube. Bravo!
@saddemgargouri Here is some truth about the protein in oranges. Notice on the pyramid to the right it marks it between 7 and 8%. Sorry, you are a fraud. Also, scroll down and expand "Protein and Amino Acids" and you will note that like all fruits and veggies oranges in fact have all essential amino acids, which exposes another one of your lies. So, sorry, it is you who are the liar. Nice try tho!
@saddemgargouri Now my recommendation is to stop arguing like a child and learn something. You have been proven wrong on every point by a vegan with zero formal training in medical, healthy, nutrition, bio-chemistry, etc. Therefore you are not near as learned as you think you are. Learn about the basic composition of every day foods before you argue with me again about nutrition, you look like an idiot!
@saddemgargouri Whoops, I forgot to paste the link that shows that oranges are 8% protein, although at this site it is estimated between 7 and 8% and rounded down to 7%.I just like how this site lists all the amino acids. You may notice that every fruit and veggie I have ever seen has every single essential amino acid. Fact. nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fruits-and-fruit-juices/1966/2
@saddemgargouri Actually that is how protein in foods if measure, they have to be cooked, which reduces water content Seems with your scientific training you would know this. The fact is that human breast milk has 4.5% protein, compared to an orange that has 8%. That is just a fact. I find it rather humorous, and sort of sad too, that you are running around like a monkey in denial of this. Aw, my little boy LOL :(
@saddemgargouri Yeah, I get it. So you can factor back the ~87% water if you want, you get the same relative percentages, which is that oranges have nearly twice the protein as human breat milk.
@saddemgargouri You are mixing apples and oranges. The fact is that oranges have 8% protein, and human breast milk has 4.5% Sorry buddy. You are now looking like quite a religious fanatic, not really the scientist you claimed to be :(
@Fathomless did you read any thing i wrote ?? do you know math ????? , a Ok this pointless , maths ? orange are 0.96 percent protein , milk 4.5 % , without water milk is 36% protein , simple math ! and without water orange ARE 8 % protein , DO YOU GET IT ?????????
@saddemgargouri I think it is time for you to see that your arguments about protein are actually religious beliefs, right? You heard them and clinged to them because you like the taste of rotting flesh, right? But it turns out that plant foods have every essential amino acid and an abundance of rich, healthy, cruelty-free protein Mmm!!
@saddemgargouri "did read any thing about protein needs in your life ????" Well I know that oranges have more protein than breast milk, which is the first food we eat. Well I do know enough about protein needs to know that plant food is LOADED with protein. My orange example is just the tip of the iceberg. There is lots of protein in all kinds of fresh, whole, delicious fruits and vegetables. Are you going to learn something today or just be a religious fanatic about it?
@saddemgargouri So, there you have it. Sorry for dragging it out so long, I just was curious how long you would ignorantly argue against a sure thing.
That site is extremely useful, by the way. They draw their data directly from the USDA nutritional databases, although they have to estimate (or round numbers) with some of their graphs. Look around there, you may just learn a thing or two about nutrition. Peace.
0.8 percent , (orange fruit wikipedia ; ) next time don't bring stastci that ignore water percentage , if you apply them on Milk it would be 20 % protein at least
@saddemgargouri LOL Took you a while I see to come up with what you think is a clever escape. Dude, you do know how scientists and bio-chemists calculate the protein in something, right? They have to cook it. Modern science has no way of measuring the nutritional content of any food unless it is cooked. As such the water content is removed or reduced. Breast milk and oranges are calculated the exact same way. I am surprised tho at your childishness ;)
@FathomlessJoy no i don't know how , i they did not mentioned in my book , and if they ( cook ) food ; food will be altered , for example cellulose will turn into sugar , protein fragmented
@saddemgargouri But the content of both breast milk and oranges is calculated the same way. Sorry, buddy. You can factor the water back into both, you like, but you are then going to get skew results, unless you test both the same. This is the way scientists analyze food.
@saddemgargouri Listen, do you want to learn anything today, or merely argue? you have been proven wrong, BUT the day is not over. You don't have to fight and argue today, you can learn. You can say, "You know what, I didn't know that plants had so much protein, I want to investigate this," OR you can say, "I will hate and fight and argue and cry unitl the cows come home that I am right because I refuse to learn." I know what I am doing. Do you?
@saddemgargouri You are being religious about it, ranting like a mad man. Why are you so angry about it? Is it really fear? That fear is an impediment to learning. do you want to learn anything today?
@saddemgargouri "thats is not an argument" My intent here is not to argue. My intent is to share with another the truth I have seen: it is wrong to rape and torture sentient beings, we do not have to for food, ingesting rotting animal carcass is unhealthy, there is great, healthy, delicious food in abundance without torturing animals.
@saddemgargouri "if you apply them on Milk it would be 20 % protein at least " Actually, you should get some facts. Check out the world health organization, they will set you straight. Human breast milk has between 4.5 and 5% protein. An orange has 8%. There are lots of veggies and legumes and grains I love to eat that have as much or more protein than animal flesh AND they do not come with all the death and disease and rape and rot as eating animals does :)
@saddemgargouri "in practical , you won't be able to build muscle nor grow " You need to study more about nutrition, doctor. This and all your claims here are woefully misinformed. Sorry.
@FathomlessJoy even full wheat is not good enough , what you need is 2 or 3 types of vegetable protein to cover that problem ( that what i mean by special protein )
@saddemgargouri "even full wheat is not good enough , what you need is 2 or 3 types of vegetable protein to cover that problem ( that what i mean by special protein ) "
Actually, it is an absolute fact that all fruits and veggies contain all essential amino acids. Can you name a single fruit or veggie that does not contain all amino acids? If so, please do.
@saddemgargouri "as a medical student " Perhaps you can tell me why less than 1/4 of the medical schools in the US have a single course in nutrition. Less than 6% of the doctos in the US have taken a single course in nutrition. Why?
I just extend non-aggression to all animals. If I was starving and had no choice, this comes under self defence. Most of us are perfectly capable of living without using aggression towards animals, unless you live in the arctic or the desert perhaps, but that can also be a choice.
I am in such a situation, where there is plenty for me to eat without needing to eat animals. So, I choose not to.
crothersdaniel 1 week ago
@crothersdaniel Many humans are also capable of living without aggression towards plants, if they wish (by eating 100% animal diets, like the Inuit) lol. But that's just a personal choice.
I'm perfectly okay with you extending non-agression to all animals at a personal level. But codifying that into law through actual legal rights should be out of the question, obviously. You are free to live that lifestyle, and I am free to live a different one.
dick391 1 week ago
@dick391 Plants and animals are different by the way :p I hope I don't need to explain how. And as for laws, I am an anarchist, anti-statist, whatever you want to call it, so I don't believe in enforcing my opinions upon people.
I just think everybody will come around to it one day.
crothersdaniel 1 week ago
@crothersdaniel Of course they're different, but that's not a legitimate reason for why animals are owed the non-aggression principle. That said, I'm sure you have developed your own strong moral reasoning for why they should be owed it.
At least you're honest about not wanting to enforce your opinions on others. But the irony of an anarchist system is that the end result may be much fewer freedoms than a state-enforced one. What good are your freedoms if others are "free" to take it away.
dick391 1 week ago
@crothersdaniel That's why I always have a good laugh at anarcho-socialists who believe that anarchism will bring about a worker's paradise somehow. More than likely, it would be the exact opposite. The rich and powerful can exert their power without facing legal repercussions from a democratically-elected government. Who do you think will win the "fight" without government rules? How shallow is "freedom" when you are not willing to enforce others rights to it.
dick391 1 week ago
@dick391 I really think you need to learn about the relationship between 'The State' and 'Force', if you think that the former protects against the latter.
crothersdaniel 1 week ago
@crothersdaniel I probably have a much better understanding of that relationship than most anarchists. The difference is I'm not under any illusion that removing the state will remove force. Force exists in the absense of the state. So choose your poison. Force adminstered by a democratically elected government (by no means perfect), or force adminstered by the strongest, most coercive elements of society. Its no wonder anarchism always devolves into tyrranic rule by the few.
dick391 1 week ago
@crothersdaniel Surely you believe that murder and many other great immoral activities should be enforced and protected against? I think you do believe in enforcing opinions on others. The question is, to what extent and to what purpose?
namesake1 5 days ago
The Inuit do not have a choice. They live in the Arctic circle.
Anyway this is really a philosophical issue. I have friends whose families raise cows and chickens and I think that's perfectly fine, but I think what goes on in factories should be illegal. I think the real error in judgement arises when people assume that non-human animals have more in common with plants and fungi than they do with humans. They may not be able to convey emotions in language but be sure that they suffer greatly.
JaredHutcheson1 1 week ago
How on earth can animals have rights in any meaningful sense of the word. The possession of rights necessitates responsibilities to others, the ability to make moral decisions and consciousness of how those decisions affect others. Animals do not possess these attributes.
Legally speaking, the idea of animals having rights is hilarious. Can a bird sue you when you chop down a forest to build a home? Can a dog sue you because you discriminated against it when you hired a human being instead?
dick391 1 week ago
@dick391 Just because someone says animals should have rights does not mean they're saying they should have all the same legal liberties that humans have. That would be absurd, and you're absurd for suggesting that that's what is being proposed. I think people should be able to raise animals for food, but what we do in factories should be absolutely illegal.
JaredHutcheson1 1 week ago
@JaredHutcheson1 Never suggested that animal rights activists were proposing they should have all the same legal liberties. My example was to show the absurdity of codifying into law even a tiny fraction of the liberties that humans have. It's pretty misleading to talk about banning factory farming, for example, as though that somehow equates to conferring rights. That's a legislative action to stop something you don't agree with. But animals being given actual legal rights? Hilarious, dude.
dick391 1 week ago
@dick391 I get what you're saying. What we should say is that we need a extensive and comprehensive set of laws dictating what we can and cannot do to other species, and that may include different guidelines for different species. When we say the word 'rights', it can seem to imply that the possessor can stand up for them. But then again, there's children & infants, the mentally disabled, etc. They certainly have "rights".
JaredHutcheson1 1 week ago
@JaredHutcheson1 Agreed. Lawyers can sue on the behalf of children, infants, the mentally disabled etc. when their rights have been breached. But to confer such legal rights to animals to do the same would be quite silly. If you want to pass legislation that bans certain actions against animals, fine.
Humans that are cognitively unable to participate in the legal system are an exception to the rule. On the other hand, there is not a single animal alive capable of such participation.
dick391 1 week ago
dropintheforest 1 week ago
I have read a lot of nonsense comments to this video. The simple fact is the only people qualified to talk about vegetarianism are vegetarians, and i don't mean for a week, month or year. It takes a least 6 years for your body to adjust, and to lose the cravings. Be sure that meat is addictive, like tobacco, hence all the hysteria from meat eaters. To put this in context, i am a vegetarian for 36 years, all my children have never eaten meat, we are all healthy, strong, and intelligent.
lepervier66 1 week ago
@lepervier66
How do you maintain a vegetarian family? I can't imagine how difficult it is.
ThisSaturatedMind 1 week ago
Silly twat. Animals ain't got rights
CazUnlimited 3 weeks ago
Yes, the 20th century is "one of the worst centuries in human history in terms of atrocity and terror"
...and it is LEFTISTS LIKE NOAM CHOMSKY who are responsible for almost all of that death and destruction.
So Noam Chomsky, do the human race a favor and die. And please make it soon. We cannot take much more of your delusional genocidal stupidity.
UncleIrv2 3 weeks ago
@UncleIrv2 It was actually the peak of racism and nationalism that plunged the world into war in the 20th century. Chomsky's liberal views are as far from both as they can be. Also, he's a brilliant scientist and one among the smartest of social observers today.
enyvl 3 weeks ago
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nikunj1729 3 weeks ago
@enyvl fascism was a reaction to communist stalinism. Everyone was more racist back then, it was neither here nor there in terms of starting of wars, the horrors of the holocaust are a different matter and the main reason for our modern day stifling polictical correctness. ww2 in terms of germany was really a continuation of ww1. I used to be a chomsky fan until I started to see flaws in his reasoning, and after hearing his views on the bin laden assassination I no longer listen to him at all.
hieraxhideo 3 weeks ago
@hieraxhideo That's a fair point, but I think it's fairly safe to say that both Stalin and Hitler were monsters and anyone who had still supported them or their organizations/regimes by the time of WW2 were blinded by propaganda.
On the topic of Chomsky's opinion of Bin Laden's death, I don't see anything wrong with it. He said that killing an unarmed man is murder, which is true. However, he also said that taking him to trial would have been a disaster, which I think is also true.
enyvl 3 weeks ago
@enyvl right after posting here I found a redeeming video of chomsky being very critical of post modernism. I simply don't agree about seeking the down side of bin ladens assassination, considering the horror he was responsible for, the loss of innocent lives, he truly, truly deserved that, and worse, by any standards. I just cant see how it could be anything to complain about, armed or unarmed.
hieraxhideo 3 weeks ago
@hieraxhideo Of course I can't speak for Noam Chomsky, but in my view the problem is not that Bin Laden has been killed - nobody in their right mind would miss him - but rather that the authorities that executed the attack did so with no regard for the "rules". Still, even those who condemn killing an unarmed man often admit that killing Bin Laden was probably the best choice given the circumstances.
enyvl 3 weeks ago
@enyvl the other time aul noam let me down was somewhere on the youtube he responds to a question regarding something financial, can't recall what it was exactly, but something he'd invested in that he had been generally preaching about as evil. In my mind he could have come up with a good retort about being trapped in the 'machine' like everyone else but his only comeback was a quite stroppy 'do as i say not as i do'... I mean the guy was once my hero (although his books are a dead boring read)
hieraxhideo 2 weeks ago
@hieraxhideo Interesting. If you ever find that video, let me know please.
enyvl 2 weeks ago
@enyvl I can't seem to find it - but it's there on the net somewhere. The best I could fine were in google searches for 'chomsky trust fund', but he says it in one of his video interviews. But it's not really a big deal he was just getting hot headed, he's certianly a smart guy and as I said I couldn't have blamed him he has to exist in the capitalist society like the rest of us. For me it was the beginning of noticing his fallability
hieraxhideo 2 weeks ago
@UncleIrv2
You have never read any works from Chomsky. You call him leftist so he fits your straw man argument. He is a symbol of justice and speaks only of personal responsibility, freedom for all, and progress of mankind. He criticizes all power systems for their violent acts and has done so since the 1960's. No one group which commits contemptuous acts is off limits for his critique, of which there's plenty of hard facts and explanation to find. Do the human race a favor and think
ThisSaturatedMind 1 week ago 2
What about artifically manufactured meat using stem cells?
sicktoaster 4 weeks ago
No, I don't rape animals. What a terrible, and inhuman, thing to accuse someone of! How unprogressive! How vapid, simpering and prim of you! Vegetarianism is to ethics what Mainline Protestantism is to religion.
NixonisLord 1 month ago
thats the first thing i found when i typed on google high value protein
saddemgargouri 1 month ago
High biological value proteins are provided by animal sources of protein, such as meat, poultry, fish, eggs, milk, cheese and yogurt.
Low biological value proteins are found in plants, legumes, grains, nuts, seeds and vegetables.
saddemgargouri 1 month ago
The limiting amino acid tends to be different in different proteins, so when two foods providing vegetable protein are eaten at a meal, such as a cereal (e.g. bread) and a pulse (e.g. baked beans), the amino acids of one protein may compensate for the limitations of the other, resulting in a combination of higher biological value.
saddemgargouri 1 month ago
When a protein contains the essential amino acids in a proportion similar to that required by humans, we say that it has high biological value. When one or more essential amino acids are scarce, the protein is said to have low biological value. The amino acid that is in shortest supply in relation to need is termed the limiting amino acid
saddemgargouri 1 month ago
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saddemgargouri 1 month ago
Horse hockey! If people were meant to be vegetarians, they would have teeth like cows and stomachs like gorillas. Hitler was a vegetarian and that didn't stop him from being cruel.
FarEastPoke 1 month ago
@FarEastPoke "Hitler was a vegetarian and that didn't stop him from being cruel." First, have any evidence that Hitler was vegetarian? You probably have rumors that you acquired as self-serving beliefs, but no evidence, right? Fact is his own diary and the diaries of his cousin/lover indicate that he frequently ate rotting animal flesh.
Next, you certainly wouldn't deny most murder, mayhem, atrocities of mass destruction are committed almost exclusively by flesh eaters, would you?
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FarEastPoke ""would have teeth like cows and stomachs like gorillas." By this logic though it would logically follow that all herbivores share exactly all those traits. But we know that many herbivores, ruminants in particular, has unique jaws and stomachs, but these are not the only herbivores. You do know that Charles Darwin concluded that the natural diet of man is herbivore, right? But I don't recommend you take his authority or mine, I recommend we each find out for ourselves.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy thats extreme ignorance in digestive physiology , hUMAN CAN4T DIGEST fibres ( cellilose ) because they lack the enzyme that can do that unlike cows and sheeps , they actually rely on colon bacteria to do the work
saddemgargouri 1 month ago
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@saddemgargouri "thats extreme ignorance in digestive physiology , hUMAN CAN4T DIGEST fibres ( cellilose ) because they lack the enzyme that can do that unlike cows and sheeps , they actually rely on colon bacteria to do the work "
And this had what to do with the conversation? LOL You just plug your absolute rubbish into any argument, don't ya. You are soooo going to make a perfect doctor ;)
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy has to do with your claiming that humans are vegetarian , it's absolutely non sense , because your body enzyme CAN ONLY BREAK 1.4 GLUCOSE binds ( liaison do your translation ) thats mean you can leave on green plants you have to eat wheat and other stuff like that , or Glycogen sources
saddemgargouri 1 month ago
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@saddemgargouri Let's get a bit more basic than that, before you go blind drilling down into too many levels at wikipedia ;) You stated previously, many times, that plant foods do not have all of the essential amino acids. I am curious if you can name a single plant food that does not contain every amino acid? That will help us establish some common ground for discussion as adults perhaps.
FathomlessJoy 4 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy you do some search dude , you will find non compatible essentiel amino acid proportion
saddemgargouri 2 weeks ago
@saddemgargouri Can you please name for me a single fruit or vegetable that does not have every single essential amino acid? I will give you a hint: that aint one! LOL Every plant food contains every essential amino acid, sorry bud. I know that you heard on Oprah something else, that Dr. Oz has you worshiping at the alter of fish (snake) oils, but here have been the facts.
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy essential amino acid wikipedia , then compare it with your super orange data , and my eggs . and be honest this time , thanks you will see that Human needs and the 8 amino acids are different . for example the i did copy an entire article you didn't read it ,
saddemgargouri 2 weeks ago
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@saddemgargouri "has to do with your claiming humans are vegetarian" For humans to be omnivore, they must be able to live as either herbivore or carnivore depending on food availability. I prove man can abolutely live as 100% herbivore. Fact, proven, been there done that, with hundreds of millions of peeps. BUT no man has EVER proved that man can live 100% carnivore. Sorry. It simply has not happened. Be the first. Prove what you're saying, it'll give your rantings more weight ;)
FathomlessJoy 4 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy so can men digest cellulose like any herbivore , fact you didn't deny ?
saddemgargouri 2 weeks ago
@saddemgargouri Not without burning it to death. The trouble is, when you cook rotting flesh powerful carcinogens are formed that alter the DNA of a body's cells. Bummer :(
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy ???? do you know that DNA and RNA are the same in both plants and Animals ( ATGC , (U for RNA )) ,you did this twice now , first your super oranges and this ridicules claims
saddemgargouri 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy READ , it's not hard , i did finish bio energy book in 3 days , most of it is data you don't need , 8 hours max and you will have an good idea about nutrition . also next time never talk about animal protein you , will lose and even get ridiculed , just limit your self to Fats which are meat' weak point , specially red meat , educate your self about Fat saturation ,
saddemgargouri 2 weeks ago
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@saddemgargouri Sure. 100%? No, but enough for life, sure. Not all plants are high cellulose. The good news is: cellulose fiber helps keep the bowles moving and healthy. This is why flesh eaters, who get zero fiber from meat, have such high rates of colon cancer :(
The bad news is that man cannot digest rotting flesh, not without burning it to death. The trouble is, when you cook ALL rotting flesh powerful carcinogens are formed that alter the DNA of a body's cells. Bummer :(
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FarEastPoke How does anyone expect human babies to absorb enough fat and protein to develop our nervous systems without animal protein? How could mothers provide enough milk, enough high quality milk, to their offspring without ingesting at least some animal protein? The human species is omnivorous. Vegetarianism is only possible in limited situations; without meat, we'd have been stuck in climates that provide vegetables and fruits and grains all year long.
NixonisLord 1 month ago
@NixonisLord human species is not vegetarian for a simple reason , he can't digest cellulose ( green plants complex sugar ) unlike cows
saddemgargouri 1 month ago
Listen to those run on sentences.
Chomsky should be limited to 100 words per year.
tnekkc 1 month ago
Animals are tasty. Let's eat Chomsky and you'll see.
NixonisLord 2 months ago
@NixonisLord That brings up an interesting point. How do you know when you buy animal flesh, especially processed carcass or flesh at a restaurant, how do you know it is not human flesh? Think that is beneath humans...ritual cannibalism while hiding the truth from the masses? Better guess again. The point is, you don't know. The more basic point it: it is sick.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy Because the chicken or beef or lamb would taste like very strong pork and the marbleing of the fat would be different; I've read accounts of people forced to eat human meat and that's what they say it tastes like. I've also worked in a hospital in which I saw enough body parts to know the differences between animal meat and our own. It's only sick if it's immoral-and once again, veggies have failed to make any real point except for they don't eat meat. Fine.
NixonisLord 1 month ago
@NixonisLord "I've read accounts of people forced to eat human meat and that's what they say it tastes like" Ah so you read in a book somewhere that you are not being fed human flesh? Riiight.
I know I eat whole fruits and veggies because nothing else looks or tastes like an orange or banana or broccoli or kale. No man can make things grow like that and man is not intelligent enough to grow skins and pods and vegetation in that manner.
Could he grind up human or monkey flesh? Yep!
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@NixonisLord "also worked in a hospital in which I saw enough body parts to know the differences between animal meat and our own " Not if processed, seasoned, cooked, etc? Like at a store or restaurant, right? Also, certain cuts of animal flesh can certainly resemble human flesh. And as you say, it has been reported to taste very similar to certain types of animal flesh.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@NixonisLord "It's only sick if it's immoral" Moral codes are beliefs to cure fear. We don't have to believe that animals are raped and tortured for humans to devour their rotting carcasses, we just have to open our eyes and look at reality, what is.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@NixonisLord Is there any animal or being that you think it is not okay to rape and torture and ingest?
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy The even more basic point is: How do you know this? Can you prove it? I don't know when I buy pork that it's not human-I don't test every slice of bacon. What truth am I hiding from the masses-the masses who are 95% carnivore in the West-it's a middle/upper middle class White affectation to be vegan. Vegetarianism is to diet what NPR and Mainline Protestantism are to radio and religion.
NixonisLord 1 month ago
@NixonisLord Sounds like you have it all figured out (I am being facetious). But at the end of the day: do you rape and torture animals to eat their rotten carcass parts? If so, you don't have much credibilty, so you have to work a little harder. Sorry.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@NixonisLord I am having trouble picking out a point here. What is it? Is this merely an elaborate justification to rape and torture for the false security of the status quo?
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
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lightandbeautiful 2 months ago
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wggmn3 3 months ago
Not a day goes by that I don't get powerful cravings to eat meat.
Having a more conscious and rational view of how we treat conscious life, the implications of these will powerful affect the way we view our selves and treat others. The evidence for this is stunning, so to honour my integrity I had to do a very difficult thing. However, although I'm not perfect, this symbolises the person I want to be and will continue work to becoming.
lanceawatt 3 months ago
@lanceawatt Are you still on dairy and eggs? These are also addictive and can fuel those cravings. I would recommend a detox - nothing elaborate, just a juice or water fast for a few days, then work in raw fruits and veggies, then back to cooked. I simply have too many great foods in my life to miss meat. Have you been to vegwebDOTcom? It has 15K vegan recipes from vegans who know how to cook!
FathomlessJoy 2 months ago
Hahaha! I'm now ready to take the notion that ANYTHING can potentially be funny as an axiomatic truth..."you can't do it...there's no way to torture a rock"...bahahahha...
MrJamesBP 3 months ago
Vegan here :-)
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lightandbeautiful 3 months ago
One thing Noam Chomsky is not, is a bobblehead.
DystopianEmpire01 3 months ago 20
@DystopianEmpire01 I would like to have a Noam Chomsky bobblehead on my desk, though
lurconis666 3 months ago
@DystopianEmpire01 They sell Garden Gnome Chomskys, I was gonna buy one but theyre quite expensive. I think a bobblehead would be an excellent compromise!
theredscourge 2 months ago
Bobby1987....who told you 'animals are there for us to eat?'....who planted that idea in your head?It's hardly a modern idea to refrain from meat eating or killing any other human.You allow people to refrain from meat eating for 'religious reasons'.Have you checked out what these 'religious' reasons are?The Buddhist view is based on compassion and wisdom.Please check it out,brother.
Verminpariah 3 months ago
i'm a vegetarian :smug: :3
venturae 4 months ago
People who only eat vegetables and no meat are so spoiled (unless for religious reasons or allergies). People all over of the world are dying of hunger and these bitches are complaining about not eating steak. These animals are there for us to eat, period. These people think they are being so "modern" and so "compassionate" when instead they just have too much time on their hands and they are spoiled with their "freedoms" so they'll find issues where ever possible.
bobbobby1987 4 months ago
@bobbobby1987 you do realize that it takes more resources to produce meat than plants. More land being used, more forest being destroyed, more people starving. The more vegetarians there are, the more food there is in the world.
traditionalsmith 4 months ago 2
@traditionalsmith Perhaps, but their intention is not save the land, but rather the animal cruelty involved in eating meat. Second, if that land is not being used to sustain cattle or other livestock, it will surely find an alternate purpose as an industrial or commercial development. You are point maybe valid but lacks sufficient depth.
bobbobby1987 4 months ago
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bobbobby1987 4 months ago
@bobbobby1987 you can't really say that vegetarians are vegetarians for a specific reason, everyone has their own reasons and a lot of vegetarians are aware of the deforestation problems etc, your third world argument 'lacks depth', if a man eats a steak instead of a potato it makes no difference to a starving child.
Wordisbonds 4 months ago
@bobbobby1987 "These animals are there for us to eat, period."
And to lions and tigers and grizzly bears and sharks, we are there for them to eat. Period.
It's just a question of your perspective
cufflink44 3 months ago
Chomsky has hair :-(
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Mikel526 5 months ago
We've gotten so used to vacuous commentary that chomsky seems dry and overly complex.
MFRedeemerp2 5 months ago
@MFRedeemerp2 >>>Which has nothing to do with his dry, uninspired way of talking. Or his long winded spoken aloud ruminations?
IntronDepot1 4 months ago
@IntronDepot1 happens to inspire me.
MFRedeemerp2 4 months ago
Animal rights are important, but not for cows and chickens. For dolphins, chimpanzee, intelligent and endangered species. More animals are killed in crop harvesting than meat production, so the moral argument from suffering is redundant. Vegetarianism is economically and environmentally better, but currently far more charity is spent on animals we already treat insanely well such as dogs which is a shame. Putting the welfare of an anonymous animal above a human is one of the most immoral acts.
valleyshrew 5 months ago
@valleyshrew Are we not animals too?
dave474c 5 months ago
@valleyshrew wrote "More animals are killed in crop harvesting than meat production"
Care to defend that statement?
kokopelli314 5 months ago
@valleyshrew "More animals are killed in crop harvesting than meat production" There are billions of animals tortured and slaughtered every year for man's pleasure that disagree. However, it is good that you are at least somewhat concerned about animal deaths within our food supply. So my question: do you know the number one consumer of US food crops? The answer will surprise you, I think. The number one consumer of US crops is livestock. Simple fact. Revealing truth. Enjoy!
FathomlessJoy 5 months ago 14
@FathomlessJoy Don't be fooled Jimmy, if that cow had the chance he'd eat you and everyone you ever cared about.
Laughingblades 3 months ago
@Laughingblades Ok, Sparky. I won't be fooled. Now I will have nightmares about the carnivorous cows everywhere. Thanks a lot!
FathomlessJoy 3 months ago
@FathomlessJoy I think in a hundred years people will eat meat but won't harm animals. They will grow meat much like they grow human organs now. It could happen in ten years and there would be no need to waste crops on livestock anymore. It would be 100 times more efficient and couple that with towers of hydroponic systems and all kinds of food become abundant and without any need for pesticides and chemicals, a lot less water, no waste and without harming animals. No need for fields anymore.
oshory 2 months ago
@oshory You still need an energy source, Dr. Frankenstein.
We have it now. Many of the "meats" made from plants are so much like meat they easily fool the most myopic meat eaters. There's simply no reason to eat meat anymore, if there ever was, on the contrary every indication is that it has to stop ASAP.
Now back to plant-based fake "meats" I don't eat them much because a whole plant-based diet coupled with modest cooking skill is awesome. I LOVE to eat and don't miss rotten flesh at all.
FathomlessJoy 2 months ago
@FathomlessJoy Plant based fake meats can never replace steak. Right now I am looking at a herd of black angus cattle directly in front of my window on the other side of the road and I want to eat them. But everyday i see them play and grow and I really don't like that we have to kill them to eat them. Energy sources will be provided with zero waste. It can all be done in ten years I think. I base this claim on Anthony Atala's work on growing human muscle. Food production was my idea I think.
oshory 2 months ago
@oshory Says you! When and what was the last meat substitute you had? I had some sieten steak a couple weeks ago that was AWESOME, unbelievably real. You tried it? Also there's soyrizo that's killer (though w/o cruelty ;), burger crumbles in the freezer that I use for nachos that are superb, etc
Closer to the heart, it seems like you are deeply conflicted. I wouldn't expect scientists to figure that out for you. I would examine that conflict; see the truth of it; it is not an accident! Peace.
FathomlessJoy 2 months ago
@FathomlessJoy For every animal you don't eat, I'm eating three. That means you'd be doing more harm by not eating meat than if you were. Now what?
theredscourge 2 months ago
@theredscourge You should really check out “Top 10 Stupid Things Vegans Hear On a Daily Basis.” You made the list. Here’s your sign, moron ;)
FathomlessJoy 2 months ago
@FathomlessJoy it's not stupid, it's the truth. Today I am eating solely meat products for dinner as proof that for every animal you don't eat, I'm eating three.
theredscourge 2 months ago
@theredscourge It certainly seems like you like to have flesh stuffed into your throat and swallow.
FathomlessJoy 2 months ago
@FathomlessJoy Ah yes, very mature. As long as its a food I would mostly agree, except for the fact that there is no stuffing into the throat since I learned this amazing thing called chewing my food. I can even do it with my mouth closed.
theredscourge 2 months ago
@theredscourge So you do swallow. I knew it!
FathomlessJoy 2 months ago
@theredscourge I'm not eating several billion animals right now. Good luck!
mentalrectangle 2 months ago
@mentalrectangle no worries, one day at a time. There is only a great deal on chicken wings so often.
theredscourge 2 months ago
@FathomlessJoy
1.Where is the evidence that more animals are killed in crop harvesting than meat production?
2.Hypoteticaly considering thats the case ,do we have to continue killing animals in both ways?
3.All large induestries create a dis stabilization in the enviroment, so ethicaly both are wrong? meat eating, large crop harvesting plus Gmo's
The answer was already found in several proposals, self sustainability but nooh... people want they freaking i pads.... its a question of choosing!
astarotcito 2 months ago
@astarotcito I am with you brother! I love and have compassion for animals. I do not eat them or any product made from them. Incidental death in the crop fields, while tragic, is perhaps unavoidable, like human deaths on the train tracks. The systemic rape and torture of innocent sentient beings for pleasure, as in livestock farming, is not the same thing. BTW: most crops are used to feed livestock, so livestock industry causes most crop deaths, not human produce. Peace.
FathomlessJoy 2 months ago 6
@FathomlessJoy are all livestock animals really raped? I didn't know that
ryko26 1 month ago
@ryko26 Yes, how do you think they are kept reproducing at this unnatural and unsustainable rate? 16 Billion animals (more than 2 times the number of human beings) are consumed by humans every year and that is on a pace to double in less than 20 years. Yes, they are raped, especially on dairy farms, as the milk cow has to be constantly pregnant, so her calf is stripped from her and slaughtered and she subsequently is raped again. Real sick shit!
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy "Yes, they are raped, especially on dairy farms, as the milk cow has to be constantly pregnant"
Roflmao! Welcome to nature! Females of all species go around pregnant as often as possible. The only reason female humans don't in some parts of the world is because of contraception. Anyway, the moral problem presented in this video is largely irrelevant to the future. The future of meat production is in cloning of muscle tissue and has no suffering component.
Gnomefro 1 month ago
@Gnomefro You just made a good argument for raping and torturing any human female. How sick. Your logic falters, pal.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@Gnomefro "Anyway, the moral problem presented in this video is largely irrelevant to the future" Morals serve no purpose other than for believers to feel good about themselves. Every moral or ideal is forever wedded to its contradiction. Sorry.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@Gnomefro "The future of meat production is in cloning of muscle tissue and has no suffering component" This digusting manipulation and mutilation of life would only address part of the problem. Look at this holistically. We still have to find a nutritional source to fuel your Fraken-meat; tens of billions of livestock today comsume more than 50% of the world's food, set to double in 20 years. Also there's unhealthy ingestion of disgusting disease and death, which is killing humanity.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy You'll note one interesting thing though, both that future and one where everyone are vegetarians imply that a vast number of sentient beings will never even exist. It's certainly possible to view that as a moral problem if you want to extend rights to animals, because exterminating everyone in Africa to avoid suffering due to hunger would cause most people to hesitate. Suffering in itself does not negate the value of having a life. Nor does death.
Gnomefro 1 month ago
@Gnomefro "vegetarians imply that a vast number of sentient beings will never even exist" There goes an arrogant human again thinking he understands how the nature of all animals works, when he lacks the intelligence even to have peace with his neighbors. ROFL
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@Gnomefro "It's certainly possible to view that as a moral problem" Again, moral codes are for dull-minded believers, invented for the illusion of human progress. They are fiction, beliefs that only muddy up the matter.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
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@Gnomefro "because exterminating everyone in Africa to avoid suffering due to hunger would cause most people to hesitate" Sorry, but what are you even babbling about?
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@Gnomefro "Suffering in itself does not negate the value of having a life. Nor does death." Ah, so it is wise and prudent, therefore, to consider the good deads done in the utterly insane evil of unnatural animal reproduct, rape, torture and eating of their rotting disease carcasses. I see. Real smart, chief!
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy as a medical student ( future doctor ) i have an idea about nutrition unlike vegetarian protein animal protein is much better protein , the reason is that animal protein has a larger amount of essential amine acids ( 8 for human , 12 for chicken ) . without a special diet you wont be able to satisfy your need for these 8 amine acids . in practical , you won't be able to build muscle nor grow . not to mention taste , i myself big consumer of eggs and fish
saddemgargouri 1 month ago
@saddemgargouri "as a ... ( future doctor )" Well, all doctors today were once in kindergarten as "future doctors" ;)
I don't have to go to school to see that raping and toturing animals for pleasure of eating their diseased rotting carcasses is wrong. If you learn that eventually in school, it will likely be the most expensive, yet the most valuable lesson of your life.
Strange thing tho that while most doctors say, "STOP EATING MEAT" they still eat it themselves.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy STOP EATING MEAT you mean stop eating red meat ( pork sheep .. )?i never heard a doctor say stop eating fish or rabbit meat , i
saddemgargouri 1 month ago
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@saddemgargouri "he reason is that animal protein has a larger amount of essential amine acids " Nope, you are sadly misinformed. Strangely though, being misinformed about nutrition you should fit right in as a medical profession ;)
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@saddemgargouri "without a special diet you wont be able to satisfy your need for these 8 amine acids " That is simply not true. All fruits and veggies have an abundance of all 8 essential amino acids. All of them. Sorry.
And they are called "amino acids" [ahem] Doctor ;)
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy s All fruits and veggies ??? really now even a high school student knows thats fruits are composed of water , sugar and cellulose which is a type of sugar humans can't digest ( fibres ) for you
saddemgargouri 1 month ago
@saddemgargouri Name a single fruit or veggie that does not have all 8 essential amino acids, please. Can you? I could save you time, and let you know that there are none, but I want you to sweat it out. So, doctor, name for all us a single fruit or veggie that does not have all 8 essential amino acids. Ok? Can you??
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@saddemgargouri "i myself big consumer of eggs" Which is strange because the guidelines from doctors are the MAX amount of LDL a human body can stand per day from diet is 1 egg. Any more than 1 egg per day, including all the LDL in the rest of your animal foods in your day including fish, and you exceeded the max LDL intake for humans. Sorry.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@saddemgargouri "i myself big consumer of eggs " So tell me, doctor, how is eating the menstruations of female chickens healthy and natural? Would it not be more natural for you to live off of human female menstruations?
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy you seem an ignorant of any biochemistry why don't you recheck how human body treats cholesterol , about 80 % of cholesterol is made by human liver , from 6 P glucose , that portion change if i eat more cholesterol , not to mention more will be changed into fat , since i practice sport , that is Ok with me
saddemgargouri 1 month ago
@saddemgargouri Can you please name a single veggie or fruit that does not contain every single essential amino acid, please? That challenge has been made, can you possibly show the world some fact?
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@saddemgargouri "you seem an ignorant of any biochemistry " Actually, all I did was talk about the nutritional guidelines established by doctors as to the amount of dietary LDL that a human should not exceed. These guidelines are longstanding and clear, but perhaps you have more insight you'd like to share?
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@saddemgargouri Whether you "practice sport" or not, young student, your argument is with the doctors and scientists who established the dietary limit for LDL for humans. Argue your babble with them. You do know the recommendations right?
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy my argument is based on biochemistry
saddemgargouri 1 month ago
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@saddemgargouri "my argument is based on biochemistry " Yep! You offer a very thorough pic of what it is not ;)
Still waiting for you to name a single fruit or veggie that does not have all 8 essential amino acids. Also, for you to confirm that oranges are 8% protein, nearly twice as much as mother's milk. Stick those questions in your magic Biochem machine and pull out the answers ;)
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy The very small relative increase in
amino nitrogen after acid hydrolysis argues against the presence
of an appreciable amount of protein in the clear juice firdt thing found online there is only 12 %solid in orange only 0.1 is nitrogen means less than 1 % AA , (0.16 g of nitrogen is equal to one 1 g of AA , ) stop lying dude e
saddemgargouri 1 month ago
@saddemgargouri LOL This has absolutely nothing to do with the content of protein in an orange. It is 8% protein. I have verified it myself with the USDA and the FDA databases. It is a fact. But I have to say that was the BEST bullshit non-answer I have seen on youtube. Bravo!
FathomlessJoy 4 weeks ago
@saddemgargouri Here is some truth about the protein in oranges. Notice on the pyramid to the right it marks it between 7 and 8%. Sorry, you are a fraud. Also, scroll down and expand "Protein and Amino Acids" and you will note that like all fruits and veggies oranges in fact have all essential amino acids, which exposes another one of your lies. So, sorry, it is you who are the liar. Nice try tho!
FathomlessJoy 4 weeks ago
@saddemgargouri Now my recommendation is to stop arguing like a child and learn something. You have been proven wrong on every point by a vegan with zero formal training in medical, healthy, nutrition, bio-chemistry, etc. Therefore you are not near as learned as you think you are. Learn about the basic composition of every day foods before you argue with me again about nutrition, you look like an idiot!
FathomlessJoy 4 weeks ago
@saddemgargouri Whoops, I forgot to paste the link that shows that oranges are 8% protein, although at this site it is estimated between 7 and 8% and rounded down to 7%.I just like how this site lists all the amino acids. You may notice that every fruit and veggie I have ever seen has every single essential amino acid. Fact. nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fruits-and-fruit-juices/1966/2
FathomlessJoy 4 weeks ago
so orange are 91 % carbs ?? orange are 12 % solid , from that 8 % protein , it's 0.96 % protein , thanks , and don't forget to count water next time
saddemgargouri 2 weeks ago
@saddemgargouri Actually that is how protein in foods if measure, they have to be cooked, which reduces water content Seems with your scientific training you would know this. The fact is that human breast milk has 4.5% protein, compared to an orange that has 8%. That is just a fact. I find it rather humorous, and sort of sad too, that you are running around like a monkey in denial of this. Aw, my little boy LOL :(
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy wow i did give.nal. usda. gov breasy milk is 87% water , Orange 88 % water , don't you get it ?????
saddemgargouri 2 weeks ago
@saddemgargouri Yeah, I get it. So you can factor back the ~87% water if you want, you get the same relative percentages, which is that oranges have nearly twice the protein as human breat milk.
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy maths ? orange are 0.96 percent protein , milk 4.5 % , without water milk is 36% protein , simple math !
saddemgargouri 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy 4.5 % out 100 gram 87.5 % water , orange 0.96 protein 88 % water , wiki pedia /NAL.usda gov
saddemgargouri 2 weeks ago
@saddemgargouri You are mixing apples and oranges. The fact is that oranges have 8% protein, and human breast milk has 4.5% Sorry buddy. You are now looking like quite a religious fanatic, not really the scientist you claimed to be :(
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
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@Fathomless did you read any thing i wrote ?? do you know math ????? , a Ok this pointless , maths ? orange are 0.96 percent protein , milk 4.5 % , without water milk is 36% protein , simple math ! and without water orange ARE 8 % protein , DO YOU GET IT ?????????
saddemgargouri 2 weeks ago
@saddemgargouri I think it is time for you to see that your arguments about protein are actually religious beliefs, right? You heard them and clinged to them because you like the taste of rotting flesh, right? But it turns out that plant foods have every essential amino acid and an abundance of rich, healthy, cruelty-free protein Mmm!!
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy you lie , and repeat it did read any thing about protein needs in your life ????
saddemgargouri 2 weeks ago
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@saddemgargouri "did read any thing about protein needs in your life ????" Well I know that oranges have more protein than breast milk, which is the first food we eat. Well I do know enough about protein needs to know that plant food is LOADED with protein. My orange example is just the tip of the iceberg. There is lots of protein in all kinds of fresh, whole, delicious fruits and vegetables. Are you going to learn something today or just be a religious fanatic about it?
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@saddemgargouri So, there you have it. Sorry for dragging it out so long, I just was curious how long you would ignorantly argue against a sure thing.
That site is extremely useful, by the way. They draw their data directly from the USDA nutritional databases, although they have to estimate (or round numbers) with some of their graphs. Look around there, you may just learn a thing or two about nutrition. Peace.
FathomlessJoy 4 weeks ago
0.8 percent , (orange fruit wikipedia ; ) next time don't bring stastci that ignore water percentage , if you apply them on Milk it would be 20 % protein at least
saddemgargouri 2 weeks ago
@saddemgargouri LOL Took you a while I see to come up with what you think is a clever escape. Dude, you do know how scientists and bio-chemists calculate the protein in something, right? They have to cook it. Modern science has no way of measuring the nutritional content of any food unless it is cooked. As such the water content is removed or reduced. Breast milk and oranges are calculated the exact same way. I am surprised tho at your childishness ;)
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy wikipedia , orange and read it then get back
saddemgargouri 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy no i don't know how , i they did not mentioned in my book , and if they ( cook ) food ; food will be altered , for example cellulose will turn into sugar , protein fragmented
saddemgargouri 2 weeks ago
@saddemgargouri But the content of both breast milk and oranges is calculated the same way. Sorry, buddy. You can factor the water back into both, you like, but you are then going to get skew results, unless you test both the same. This is the way scientists analyze food.
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@saddemgargouri Listen, do you want to learn anything today, or merely argue? you have been proven wrong, BUT the day is not over. You don't have to fight and argue today, you can learn. You can say, "You know what, I didn't know that plants had so much protein, I want to investigate this," OR you can say, "I will hate and fight and argue and cry unitl the cows come home that I am right because I refuse to learn." I know what I am doing. Do you?
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy thats is not an argument
saddemgargouri 2 weeks ago
@saddemgargouri You are being religious about it, ranting like a mad man. Why are you so angry about it? Is it really fear? That fear is an impediment to learning. do you want to learn anything today?
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy bye ,
saddemgargouri 2 weeks ago
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@saddemgargouri "thats is not an argument" My intent here is not to argue. My intent is to share with another the truth I have seen: it is wrong to rape and torture sentient beings, we do not have to for food, ingesting rotting animal carcass is unhealthy, there is great, healthy, delicious food in abundance without torturing animals.
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@saddemgargouri "if you apply them on Milk it would be 20 % protein at least " Actually, you should get some facts. Check out the world health organization, they will set you straight. Human breast milk has between 4.5 and 5% protein. An orange has 8%. There are lots of veggies and legumes and grains I love to eat that have as much or more protein than animal flesh AND they do not come with all the death and disease and rape and rot as eating animals does :)
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@saddemgargouri "in practical , you won't be able to build muscle nor grow " You need to study more about nutrition, doctor. This and all your claims here are woefully misinformed. Sorry.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy even full wheat is not good enough , what you need is 2 or 3 types of vegetable protein to cover that problem ( that what i mean by special protein )
saddemgargouri 1 month ago
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@saddemgargouri "even full wheat is not good enough , what you need is 2 or 3 types of vegetable protein to cover that problem ( that what i mean by special protein ) "
Actually, it is an absolute fact that all fruits and veggies contain all essential amino acids. Can you name a single fruit or veggie that does not contain all amino acids? If so, please do.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@saddemgargouri "as a medical student " Perhaps you can tell me why less than 1/4 of the medical schools in the US have a single course in nutrition. Less than 6% of the doctos in the US have taken a single course in nutrition. Why?
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago