Have you guys checked out the free piston stirling engine design that the people at Sunpower us in their Biowatt electric generator design. Seems like it would be a good fit with these molton salt reactor ideas. Might end up with a nuke reactor in the basement like Ike promised in the nifty fifties. I like Ike!
@ufoengines Please see THORIUM REMIX 2011 for fresher video. Most thorium enthusiasts consider power grid reactors charging electric car batteries a far more viable scenario than the "thorium car" stories.
Im pretty sure i seen a program about thorium on the lie-box. It was about the difficulty of getting a reaction from thorium and the difficulty in designing a reactor. Apparently some people say that building a reactor is too difficult and complicated. They then showed a thorium reactor and people trying to get a reaction. They also showed the energy in the reactor and described what they were getting vs what they wanted.
I said it was the Lie-box but i think it was RT. And theyre quite reliable
@ryanlak1234 U233 is a much better material for nuclear weapons than U235. The primary defense mechanisms of LFTRs against proliferation by rogue governments would be a breeding ratio of very close to 1.0 and the inherent U232 poisoning requiring very costly isotopic separation. Terrorists are even worse off, because in addition to the above, they first have to steal 700C, highly toxic (Be) and radioactive fuel salt.
There is a reason why Thorium reactor design was abandoned in the 60s. The byproducts made for unstable weapons material enrichment. Yes you can make nuclear weapons out of it, much the same way you can make bombs out of nitroglycerin instead of dynamite. Doesn't mean people want to do it.
As for the radioactive comment, fortunately we evolved infront of a gigantic fusion reactor in space and among decaying nuclear minerals all around us. These levels will kill you in about 60-70 years. Scary.
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Who's gonna do the mining? NONE of the persons talking horsesh*t in the vdeo I assume.
Inhalation of thorium‐232 produces a higher dose than the same amount of uranium‐238 (either by radioactivity or by weight). Reprocessed thorium creates even more risks due to the highly radioactive U‐232 created in the reactor. This makes worker protection more difficult and expensive for a given level of annual dose.
@Tekknorg Thorium doesn't need to be mined, it is already mined as a by-product of rare earth extraction. Currently in North America it is then (by law) disposed of as radioactive waste. In China it is stored for future use as fuel in LFTR/MSR. U-232 would be created, and consumed in the reactor. STAY OUT OF THE REACTOR, is my advice. If the radiation doesn't get you, the 700'C molten salt will.
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@gordonmcdowell Stay out of the reactor is your advice. What a childish thing to say. You know, reactors emit radioactive gases 24 hrs. Nothing can hold GASES back. Com'on, get your facts right. Search for "Tritium" and "Ian Fairlie". After one half life (14 billion years), only 5 grams of a ten-gram sample of thorium-232 would be left. Thorium is not the answer, but a danger and anchor for the ruined atomic industry.
@Tekknorg "Thorium Reactors: radioactive for 14 billion years". You mean like THE ELEMENT thorium? Present in the Earth's crust? The decay heat powering mantle circulation and thus generating the Earth's magnetic field throughout the existence of our planet? That's not very radioactive, and not-at-all created by the reactor. U-233 makes for crappy weapons material due to easy-to-detect gamma ray emissions from U-232 (present with U-233). There's a REASON why U-233 is not used in today's weapons.
@gordonmcdowell "not very radioactive" - seems, you missed the point. And is also unscientific and unethic so say. There is no safe radiation limit, according to ICRP, UNSCEAR and WHO. It's weapon material. Your "crappy" and "not very" is just pitiful. U233 is produced by thorium reactors and is usable for atomic bombs, period. What sense does your answer? Euphemism?
@Tekknorg You sir are completely unaware of how nuclear weapons are manufactured and of the technological challenges involved. It's not like you can just cut up a UO2 fuel rod (or divert LFTR bred fuel) and put it in a warhead. Making weapons-grade material is DAMN HARD, even advanced countries like Iran are struggling with it. It's way cheaper and easier to make U235 by Uranium-ore enrichment or U238->PU239 (both DAMN HARD) vs. try and extract anything useful from LFTR (CRAZY HARD).
Its interesting that U232 makes U233 almost proliferation resistant. But does anybody know how U232 is created and how its impossible to separate it from U233?
@ryanlak1234. By memory, U232 is made by the dual absorption chain. It is the reason you sequester the protactinium so it won't absorb another neutron before it decays. The uranium isotopes are chemically identical. They can only be separated by centrifuge or diffusion. It is easier to separate other isotopes of uranium if you want concentrated fissile materials.
It seems very feasible that we could produce hydrogen using thorium energy on a large scale to curb our dependency to fossil fuels. Hydrogen storage is an obstacle but challenges make the world go around.
Hydrogen is a handy fuel source for professionally managed vehicles like planes and spaceships that can adequately take precautions against it's explosive nature, but except for fuel cells it's a really bad idea for personal transport. Instead, why not just synthesize hydrocarbons out of carbon dioxide and water? Carbon neutral gasoline, or perhaps jet fuel, until fuel cell and capacitor technology matures!
@SoNDgs There's hyperlink annotations at 9 second mark. Or search for the following "The Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor: What Fusion Wanted To Be" , "Aim High: Using Thorium Energy to Address Environmental Prob" , "Energy From Thorium: A Nuclear Waste Burning Liquid Salt Thorium Reactor"
@kingofthepaupers At the 9 second mark, you'll see 3 annotation hyperlinks (if you are viewing the video on a desktop not an iPhone) and you can jump to all of the source lectures. There's 3 long-ass lectures this is from, not a single "complete form" presentation. So if you want more details you'll have to pick through those. There is also LFTR IN 25 MINUTES, but it isn't slower paced, it just covers more material.
@omsriramsriram Check out "Innovate to Zero!" Bill Gates talk. He does a good job outlining the challenges with renewable energy. I (personally) think renewables should continue to be subsidized or at least receive R&D tax deductions, as they have their place. I'd be happy to stick solar panel roof shingles on my roof, since that space wasn't doing anything anyway and all roof tiles eventually need replacing. But solar and wind farms are a very LOW DENSITY way to harvest INTERMITTENT energy.
@omsriramsriram Maybe the West is not capable of providing the answer. China's decision to go it alone on LFTR development changes everything and takes the initiative out of our hands. If China succeeds, they will have and control the cheapest, safest, lowest carbon technology of all, making solar and wind forever too costly and carbon polluting on a large scale; useful for OK for house tops and RAPS maybe but for large-scale base load power to drive industry? I don't think so.
@omsriramsriram Ever heard of neodymium? You need a lot of it for wind power, and it's not safe to produce. Search for "neodymium lake china". Oh and a byproduct of the thorium reaction is neodymium (but we wouldn't need much without the wind power boondoggles).
How about cadmium, the stuff in commercial solar cells? It's not exactly the safest substance, either. Plus you have to cover a huge portion of the Earth's surface with solar panels instead of trees to produce energy on a global scale.
Evidently those who run the planet would rather destroy it before they give up the seat of power. Now we need to develop scalar wave energy generators to assist in the decaying of the unnatural radiation particles in our atmosphere and earthly environment. Perhaps from a satellite platform in space. If THEY can make earthquakes with these generators, then WE can probably Help to cure this planet of it's Diseased Parasitic Bumblelords Who continue to destroy it. GET OUT THE GUILLOTINES!!!!
Evidently those who run the planet would rather destroy it before they give up the seat of power. Now we need to develop scalar wave energy generators to assist in the decaying of the unnatural radiation particles in our atmosphere and earthly environment. Perhaps from a satellite platform in space. If THEY can make earthquakes with these generators, then WE can probably Help to cure this planet of it's Diseased Parasitic Bumblelords Who continue to destroy it. GET OUT THE GUILLOTINES!!!!!
LFTR was only ever going to be developed where the government had the power and confidence to tell big business what it can or can't do. That most certainly isn't the US. If not in China, then where?
One concern I have for this process is Liquid Fluoride. I am not a scientist but I believe there is still a danger of liquid fluoride getting into the water table and destroying some precious gray matter of many species of animals including human beings......just a thought.
so are we ever gonna see anything like this?? thanks to the nuclear crap in japan now, we'll probably never build another nuclear plant for 100 years, even if it's a new safer design (not that our current plants are even that super dangerous either). this should totaly be on the news or something. that's pretty nifty.
@creamyfilling102 CNN is owned by coal lobbies. That's why they don't mention there are 2x more NPPs closer to the tsunami and quake epicenter, but their back up backup generators were not near the NPP ocean front. Back up generator placement design flaw not a reactor flaw.
Anyhow, Anything with the word "reactor" is dead for another 100 years as you said.
@creamyfilling102 the Chinese have already announced that they're running with this idea. It'll be 10-15 years I'd have thought but we will see this put in place and then spread worldwide. The end of the age of fossil fuels is upon us.
Wow, so a solution to the worlds energy crisis does exist!!!
Unfortunately as our Western societies are largely run by Oil and Power Corporations, the chance of Thorium being used soon in the West is slight. But perhaps if the Chinese take the lead the rest of us will be able to follow.
NOW is when we must spread the good word of Thorium to the world. Nuclear allready has a bad rep, but surely after this Japan inccedent we are going to see public outcry against LWR, BWR, LFTR, MSR... and anything else that has to do with the wors isotope, uranium, reactor, nuclear.. etc.
SPREAD THE WORD PEOPLE. This is the way of the future.
2011 is when India is supposed to fire up it's Thorium reactor! I just looked at the background of Holifield, the guy who fired Weinberg. He was a dam men's apparel person - he was not even a scientist at all. Interesting to note he was also advisory to the atomic weapons program, little wonder he shunned thorium. I wonder how much he was on the take to push uranium so much! Corruption and stupid decisions come back to bite you - the rest of the world will probably move to thorium over time
I just finished v10 of the captions (meaning I finally fixed the Auto Transcription to the end). If anyone wants to critique the usefulness of this video in other languages, I'd like to know if the auto-translation is of any use. If you'd like to help translate captions (correctly) into any other language, give me a shout I'll send you a copy of the English transcript for translation.
@gordonmcdowell Nice work! Sooo muuuch data! Have to absorb all this, but you've presented it in a format that one can look over and digest a bit more easily. Thank you!
For the first 15 min I was like "OMG .. this is amazing.." Than at the 14:24 mark I heard "I almost finished my masers in nuclear engineering" and I was like "damn man... I though I was listening to the best expert and best educated man in he industry" shiiiiittt.....
@OSCAR1777 Lots of people do great work then pursue the qualification later. Understanding doesn't require formal education, it just makes it easier. Einstein wrote his theories as a patent clerk. Feynman (who I consider to be the best scientist of them all) was an undergrad while working at Los Alamos and completed his degree later. Lots of people who the idea / vision before the bit of paper. Listen to "Los Alamos from below" on youtube - makes for a great listen and insight into a great mind
Yay, China! According to EnergyFromThorium-dot-com, and wired-dot-com (yesterday) China is launching a program to develop a thorium-fueled molten-salt nuclear reactor! The WIRED article's title is: "China Takes Lead in Race for Clean Nuclear Power".
@gordonmcdowell Good for them, shame we're so corrupt and fucked-up that we're probably going to end up in mud huts while the Chinese are walking on the Moon :-(
@badnewswade Who knows, maybe we'll just import 'em cheaper from China, just like everything else.. Low pressure means not needing the hyperspecialized reactor vessels that are only made in Japan at a single steelworks..
@gordonmcdowell This isn't quite the same as the technology described in the Google video. The Chinese are experimenting with using Thorium in existing CANDU (heavy water) nuclear reactors. It's still better than the traditional light water reactors (like the ones that failed in Japan), but it's not nearly as good as a liquid fluoride reactor. The freeze plug, especially, is what gets me so damned excited, especially considering a freeze plug would have saved the Japan reactors.
@MsAllahhuakhbar Oil is against it, as is coal, natural gas, and traditional nuclear. No major industry likes developing unproven technology that directly competes with their current money maker. Especially when that unproven technology promises to make everything else they own obsolete.
@gordonmcdowell We had the age of steam power, we had the age of petro (we still are really), are we going to see the age of safe and efficient nuclear?
It sure would stop/prevent alot of the wars in the world, so let's hope so.
@gordonmcdowell Meanwhile in US, there's not only an uphill battle but attempts to nip in the bud. I noticed US "news, such as Huffington Post, that actually encourage misinformation of LFTRs as "lies" under the guise of environmentalism... Perhaps due to Mrs. Huffington's husband being an oil rig manufacturer mogul?
However, China, Russia, Japan, EU, and Australian news have a trickle of LFTR info. If other countries want to make the right decisions, that is their prerogative and our loss.
@0PsycoDad0 ventusignis simply asked for clarification of your argument and you mark it as spam? Can you explain to me what you mean by 'the new grid?' Please don't mark me as spam for asking. Do you mean completely revamping the grid? What I mean about energy density is that renewables at this point have no where near enough energy efficiency we require. We would need way too many solar panels & turbines to run the grid, it wouldn't be feasible. Can you tell me with todays technology what you..
@0PsycoDad0 suggest we use? I think we can both agree we need to wean off fossil fuel right? Nuclear can provide us the necessary energy to do so right now whereas renewables cannot. Look at France - they have basically gotten rid of coal bc they are on nuclear. Germany - relying on wind and are leaning on coal still bc it isnt adequate enough. Thorium is the most energy dense substance on the planet. A marble of it could give you all the power you would use in your life. Renewables don'tcompare
@ventusignis I love environment, Environmentalists and sustainability. I also like Greenpeace, but i have fought long and hard with them that this NEEDS to on the forefront!. THIS is not Daddy's Dangerous Nuclear Fuel.
People classify this in the Unsafe nuclear energy bracket. but fuck! this is IT, this is the REAL DEAL. NO MORE COAL, NO MORE MOUNTAIN TOP MINING, NO MORE CO2!!!!
@ventusignis I love environment, Environmentalists and sustainability. I also like Greenpeace, but i have fought long and hard with them that this NEEDS to on the forefront!. So i would guess that it is people who don't understand. THIS is not Daddy's Dangerous Nuclear Fuel.
People classify this in the Unsafe nuclear energy bracket. but fuck! this is IT, this is the REAL DEAL. NO MORE COAL, NO MORE MOUNTAIN TOP MINING, NO MORE CO2!!!!
@ventusignis Problem- Thorium is NOT easy to buy!! I contacted the U.S. Dept of Energy, about purchasing 25 Kg from their stores. Was given BS run-around, even though I have a nuclear physicist, and two reactor engineers who want to work with me....
And because of stupid politics and general ignorance a game changing technology like this is left out, instead we hear all the time how wind turbines, solar panels and biofuels are going to somehow magically replace the huge quantities of energy we get from fossil fuels.
It would appear that PsycoDad over here is pissed off because if people were to try to implement Thorium reactors the government probably won't subsidise that new solar panel on his roof.
The time has come for Free energy to be revealed ,But the Oil coporations life depends on covering this up,Find a motor that needs no fuel or input at LT-MAGNET-MOTORdotCOM ,Let the revolution begin!
This @0PsycoDad0 guy is FULL OF EXCREMENT. If one does a search based on his assertions, then very little of he has stated about thorium, Cs-137 & Sr-90 can be substantiated in regards to long term dangers.
"No long lasting nuclear waste" and short half life.
The "data" that he will use as "proof" came from weapons testing. Come on @0PsycoDad0, links us some sources. Not a propaganda site or video that supports your "cooky" point. Or, are you just a "neo-enviro" nut bitch of the bankers.
@biped19 If you´re too retarded to understand that uranium mining is "somehow" connected to your glouriously stupid idea of the HTR it´s propaganda....
xD!
Uh yeah whacko? sure thorium isn´t coincidantly a waste product of other mining operations? INCUDING uranium mines...
LOL! You´re such a joke. Yeah it´s cheap because most of it is digged out in Australia as useless waste. As if seperation´d occur in the pit...
0PsycoDad0 is a dis-info agent posing as some sort of "anti-NWO" creature. A typical tactic that failing tyrannical nations will use: Destroy the truth movement from within by preventing the formation of consensus. He will undoubtedly call me a "conspiracy theory nut" despite the fact, that technically, his page falls withing this definition, as well as failing to understand what a conspiracy is. If he cared about the environment he would be over at another channel complaining about BP instead.
You´re true imbecil. Never read such pointless semi arguments. The fact that this breeding reactor was the glorious future in the 50s comes just as littlel to your mind as the fact that this is perpetual motion on pseudo scientifical basis.
Experience doesn´t count just as hazard evaluation is pushed aside.
Oh i forgot the US get´s rid of its´nukular waste by selling it as ammunition. Now that´s a CT worth investigating (PGU 14-B projectiles)!
Thorium is mentioned by Joseph Farrell as a key element to the Xerum 525 used in the NAZI Bell Project. The reason they give for why they were mining the Thorium may not be the real reason they are mining it... The NAZI's were stockpiling Thorium towards the end of WW2, and it's possible they were interested in a specific isotope of Thorium to use in their Xerum 525. If US Military were trying to acquire massive amounts of Thorium for Black Ops, they would need some form of an excuse.. Right?
Yucca Mtn. is not getting full it was shutdown by Obama this year...........Now what are we gonna do with the waste? The thorium reaction chain does not have this problem.
You must be an al bore disciple, or neo-enviro nut doing the bidding for the banksters & energy cartels. Unfortunately, you are confused between the isotropic decay of: Th, Pu & U.
"Totally neglecting the consequences. It´s like saying thermal nuclear warfare is the safest cause it never happend."
Your nonsense statements above proves that you are a reactionary shill, with no education. Your comparative assertions are baseless and laughable. Nice try.
@0PsycoDad0 You are a fucking tard, DID YOU EVEN WATCH THE VIDEO?
I am an environmentalist and humanitarian, I have watched the video, i have watched the full version several time, read articles, web pages, and boks on this stuff.
just like it was stated in the video this is not a 100% cure, but it does address major problems of current LWR's and Coal Power's inefficiency.
A scientific illiterate will gladly jump on this pseudo sollution as this vid serves dupery. Thorium reactors were shut down 20 yrs ago due to utter failure of this techtree. Now some uneducated moron wants to sell me this as WHAT?
ROFL!
It´s NOT a 1% cure BECAUSE IT`S CRAP! Get it. Just because BHP has mounting waste heaps of thorium the tax payer has to throw away another trillion to recreate this nuclear nightmare?
The LFTR was R&D only recently, thorium for fuel was shut down because of its failure to satisfy the demand of the Cold war effort and efforts after that for a nuclear program that was geared towards defense not power.
@yt2845 This techtree is a step backwards and only "interesting" because the biggest mining companies of the world dig up tonnes of otherwise worthless minerals! Get it!
Nuclear reactors are at best not used at all. I´m misinformed on salt reactors? LOL!
How about you spreading misinformation about renewables? We need no highly toxic devices to ceate cheap electricity! This whole "discussion" is absurd!
@0PsycoDad0 This techtree is a step forward because it utilizes free energy source which has energy density billion times the solar sources in a clean and on-demand manner. We abandoned solar sources for more energy dense and on-demand available fossil fuels, and we are not going back, besides window dressings.
@0PsycoDad0 I would love to use renewables, however they do not have the energy density necessary to even come close to being a practical reality for running the whole grid, especially if we try to use it to charge electric cars and heat homes. Solar is too expensive to be viable right now. Essentially, we would have to completely cover the US with wind turbines to replace our current usage of energy. Thorium plants could power the US and it would only take up half of the size of Rhode Island.
@sunshiningschool Dude, sorry but your approach is completely one dimensional.
You haven´t even considered the interconectivity of the new grid.
We produce energy when it´s available without pollution and for free; then store it partly in the infracstructure of the old sys. ,f.ex. pumped storage hydro power.
Of course we need to turn everything inside out.....
But arguing with "energy denisity" doesn´t make any sense anyhow. Guess what powers our star->hydrogen?
@0PsycoDad0 You must be completely ignorant of technology to make your "highly toxic" claim. If you were any familiar with solar device manufacture, you would be aware of the highly toxic processes this employs, and the silicon tetrachloride polluted wasteland in leaves behind in China, for instance.
The whole point of nuclear technology is the exceptionally small amount of waste. A fully closed fuel cycle produces waste which needs to be shielded for 300 years only, which is trivial.
@Cantoffie And YES kid i´ve watched this hillarious dupery.
Nucular tech is crappy because it produces imponderable risks. Guess why every nucular power facility is virtually uninsured. Because no sane market participant exept the gov, hence the tax payer, is willing to take the risk of paying 20 billion in case of meltdown.
Just in case you haven´t noticed but this reactor type has been prone to failures during operational hours! But i think real world issues are none of your concearns.....
HA Thorium LWR's are prone to melting down... The Liquid Fluoride TR eliminates this problem with the loop system that can be drained as quick as possible in the event of overheating.
Thorium Nuclear power is not your unsafe Uranium/Plutonium LWR.... No Proliferation, means no Problems!!!!!
And regarding the "Problems", Where is the literature? Where is the hard evidence? Guess what,
@0PsycoDad0 Please read this very readable first hand account, Google for The Molten Salt Reactor Adventure by H. G. MacPherson (link cannot be posted :/ )
Very good point Xringer. Most forget jacques cousteau saying that world population needs to be reduced to 10% of what it is now to save the planet.
Speakers also forget to mention that commercially operated Uranium power plants have better safety record than any other industry anywhere. The notion that there wasn't enough research money to go around is also bogus. I used to work for DOE. If they thought they could sell it the money was always there.
@robertlcrocker "Speakers also forget to mention that commercially operated Uranium power plants have better safety record than any other industry anywhere."
LOL! What a retarded comment. Totally neglecting the consequences. It´s like saying thermal nuclear warfare is the safest cause it never happend.
OMG! My eyes start bleeding reading such idiotic crap.
It was invented in the 50s tried globally throughout the 70s and 80s?
The thorium transmutation fantasy never worked as nukular fission is economic suicide and only "works" because taxpayer subsidies make it cheap.
Ever learned what damage amount is assured per reactor?
Ever learned how much taxpayer money is being dumped into the eternity storage for nukular waste? Forget it, the US doesn´t need a storage as they simply sell their nukular waste as ammunition! (PGU 14-B projectile)
@shodanxx The US built the first reactor of this type but shut it down to ferquent problems in 1986.
Germany also built one and shut it down. It was a horrendous taypayer money sucker and turned out to be a multi billion D-Mark grave.
Following this techtree equals tring to mount a steam engine on a car. It´s an utter waste! It FAILED. Even a short wiki search proves my point in every respect..
kularite is more commonly called Monazite, it is a widespread mineral that contains mostly (40-50%) cerium, and amongst other things 5% to 30% thorium
it is one ore that contain the least thorium and thorium is a waste product of the mining because Monazite is mined for it's valuable lanthanides and rare earth metals
thorium is not being mined because there is no demands for it
current price for pure thorium is around 150$usd/oz, this is not a subsidized price
*EYES BLEEDING* Yeah whacko thorium is a waste product in the 2 rare earth mines but their output is none existant when compared to the OTHER MINES where thorium is a unwanted byproduct! AND thorium is often accompanied by uranium THERE´S the connection. Learn what MINERALS are. Also the seperation process is ON THE SURFACE KID! YOU CANNOT deceide which ore to leave behind.
You´re cunning like a 1st grader. UNBELIEVABLE! Get an education before discussing serious stuff!
@starrychloe Uranium, even the highly enriched stuff, is not dangerously radioactive. The radiation it emits can be stopped by a piece of paper and can't penetrate the skin. It is only once it has been fissioned in a reactor and split into very radioactive fission products that serious precautions need to be taken.
Things with long half lifes are not very radioactive (a bit counter-intuitive, I know), and Uranium 235 has a half life of 700 million years. Thorium's is 14 billion years.
As a nuke in the USN I really hope that the US can grab this opportunity. Nuclear power is what will allow civilization to continue progressing and it is time that people stop being afraid of nuclear reactors. The Navy has shown that reactors can be run for decades without a single accident. The government needs to step in and invest in the infrastructure of this nation in order to see progress.
@fleaisagod " Nuclear power is what will allow civilization to continue progressing and it is time that people stop being afraid of nuclear reactors. The Navy has shown that reactors can be run for decades without a single accident"
I beg to differ but they are really great at keeping tight lips on the ships.
Good video but it's the Environmentalists, not the Uranium-Plutonium cycle folks, who have supressed thorium. Greenies don't like it because it won't generate any carbon tax revenue.
@iiblitz I've got an old "YouTube Director" account, so I got that ability grandfathered in even when they stopped offering it to new director accounts.
@iiblitz I have a video that tells you how to travel back in time and create a directors account, the problem is that i cant find the video and I forgot the password for my "grandfather director's account." So that video is lost in oblivion, until i remember my password.
Something like this could allow us to go to folks like Iran and GIVE them a working reactor with all the toys to build more and reduce the ability to weaponize the effluent. ... Solves lots of economic problems (and generates a few others for legacy players), solves many energy issues, and lots of long term pollution issues. Now if we can get the politics out of the way, it would be a win for all.
@kbs1138 The 10 min one was after it, but I don't think it is necessarily better. I was just trying to make it as compact as possible depending on how much time people had to view the content... I was making a DVD, and wanted to let the viewer choose the appropriate video length. I'll iterate when either someone comes to Calgary to speak on this subject, or I can travel to cover a full length lecture on LFTR... that is looking like it may take half a year. Do you want source files for DVD?
@pacus123 "Ever" is a long time. I'd certainly like to see a commercial reactor developed somewhere on the planet in the next 10 years, but I doubt that will happen. Will a commercial reactor come online in 30 years? That's possible. The more people know about these concepts, the more likely it will be 25 instead of 35.
Hope the whole global warming thing doesn't kick us to shit before then, but humans are pretty resourceful once pretending the problem doesn't exist becomes impossible.
I just added to YouTube annotation links back to the original talks. Having finally gotten the hang of YouTube annotation links, I must say they're pretty cool, and I hope YouTube (/Google) works out all the bugs... like allowing jumping to a different time in the same video, not just only switching to different videos (at whatever time).
Have you guys checked out the free piston stirling engine design that the people at Sunpower us in their Biowatt electric generator design. Seems like it would be a good fit with these molton salt reactor ideas. Might end up with a nuke reactor in the basement like Ike promised in the nifty fifties. I like Ike!
ufoengines 1 day ago
This would make a good subject for an episode on "The Big Bang". Get Sheldon behind it, and the deal is closed.
ufoengines 2 days ago
Very cool, I was looking around for Nuke powered Car and came across this. Very Cool!
ufoengines 2 days ago
@ufoengines Please see THORIUM REMIX 2011 for fresher video. Most thorium enthusiasts consider power grid reactors charging electric car batteries a far more viable scenario than the "thorium car" stories.
gordonmcdowell 2 days ago
Im pretty sure i seen a program about thorium on the lie-box. It was about the difficulty of getting a reaction from thorium and the difficulty in designing a reactor. Apparently some people say that building a reactor is too difficult and complicated. They then showed a thorium reactor and people trying to get a reaction. They also showed the energy in the reactor and described what they were getting vs what they wanted.
I said it was the Lie-box but i think it was RT. And theyre quite reliable
NicosMind 1 month ago
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trexilll 2 months ago
Fossil fuels 4eva
SeminarioMAE 3 months ago
You could irradiate the Th232 to make U235, not U233. I don't think there would be any U232 left then.
ryanlak1234 4 months ago
@ryanlak1234 U233 is a much better material for nuclear weapons than U235. The primary defense mechanisms of LFTRs against proliferation by rogue governments would be a breeding ratio of very close to 1.0 and the inherent U232 poisoning requiring very costly isotopic separation. Terrorists are even worse off, because in addition to the above, they first have to steal 700C, highly toxic (Be) and radioactive fuel salt.
totoritko 2 weeks ago
There is a reason why Thorium reactor design was abandoned in the 60s. The byproducts made for unstable weapons material enrichment. Yes you can make nuclear weapons out of it, much the same way you can make bombs out of nitroglycerin instead of dynamite. Doesn't mean people want to do it.
As for the radioactive comment, fortunately we evolved infront of a gigantic fusion reactor in space and among decaying nuclear minerals all around us. These levels will kill you in about 60-70 years. Scary.
lacker101 4 months ago 6
this is some shitty editting
Stairmaster9068 5 months ago
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Who's gonna do the mining? NONE of the persons talking horsesh*t in the vdeo I assume.
Inhalation of thorium‐232 produces a higher dose than the same amount of uranium‐238 (either by radioactivity or by weight). Reprocessed thorium creates even more risks due to the highly radioactive U‐232 created in the reactor. This makes worker protection more difficult and expensive for a given level of annual dose.
Tekknorg 5 months ago
@Tekknorg Thorium doesn't need to be mined, it is already mined as a by-product of rare earth extraction. Currently in North America it is then (by law) disposed of as radioactive waste. In China it is stored for future use as fuel in LFTR/MSR. U-232 would be created, and consumed in the reactor. STAY OUT OF THE REACTOR, is my advice. If the radiation doesn't get you, the 700'C molten salt will.
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@gordonmcdowell Stay out of the reactor is your advice. What a childish thing to say. You know, reactors emit radioactive gases 24 hrs. Nothing can hold GASES back. Com'on, get your facts right. Search for "Tritium" and "Ian Fairlie". After one half life (14 billion years), only 5 grams of a ten-gram sample of thorium-232 would be left. Thorium is not the answer, but a danger and anchor for the ruined atomic industry.
Tekknorg 5 months ago
@Tekknorg "Nothing can hold GASES back." Uh huh.
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Thorium Reactors: radioactive for 14 billion years
Thorium Reactors need to operate:
- uranium‐235 (U‐235) or plutonium‐239
Thorium Reactors produce:
- uranium‐233 – is as effective as plutonium‐239 for making nuclear bombs
- technetium‐99 (half‐life over 200,000 years)
- thorium‐232 (half‐life:14 billion years)
Tekknorg 5 months ago
@Tekknorg "Thorium Reactors: radioactive for 14 billion years". You mean like THE ELEMENT thorium? Present in the Earth's crust? The decay heat powering mantle circulation and thus generating the Earth's magnetic field throughout the existence of our planet? That's not very radioactive, and not-at-all created by the reactor. U-233 makes for crappy weapons material due to easy-to-detect gamma ray emissions from U-232 (present with U-233). There's a REASON why U-233 is not used in today's weapons.
gordonmcdowell 5 months ago 9
@gordonmcdowell "not very radioactive" - seems, you missed the point. And is also unscientific and unethic so say. There is no safe radiation limit, according to ICRP, UNSCEAR and WHO. It's weapon material. Your "crappy" and "not very" is just pitiful. U233 is produced by thorium reactors and is usable for atomic bombs, period. What sense does your answer? Euphemism?
Tekknorg 5 months ago
@Tekknorg
watch the data from Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
That there is no radiation limit isn't sienceific funded.
here is a study about that:
physics.ox.ac.uk/nuclearsafety/ARTICLE.pdf
motim92 3 months ago
@Tekknorg You sir are completely unaware of how nuclear weapons are manufactured and of the technological challenges involved. It's not like you can just cut up a UO2 fuel rod (or divert LFTR bred fuel) and put it in a warhead. Making weapons-grade material is DAMN HARD, even advanced countries like Iran are struggling with it. It's way cheaper and easier to make U235 by Uranium-ore enrichment or U238->PU239 (both DAMN HARD) vs. try and extract anything useful from LFTR (CRAZY HARD).
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RosarioKobylarczyk 7 months ago
Its interesting that U232 makes U233 almost proliferation resistant. But does anybody know how U232 is created and how its impossible to separate it from U233?
ryanlak1234 7 months ago
@ryanlak1234. By memory, U232 is made by the dual absorption chain. It is the reason you sequester the protactinium so it won't absorb another neutron before it decays. The uranium isotopes are chemically identical. They can only be separated by centrifuge or diffusion. It is easier to separate other isotopes of uranium if you want concentrated fissile materials.
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JacklynHunyadi 7 months ago
Fascinating!
divinelightvessel 7 months ago
You did a fantastic job on this video. I know it was a lot of work but you did it! I am sharing this video to all my friends. Awesome job!
pebre79 8 months ago
This technology is the breakthrough we need now! Google make it happend!!
dougaragon 8 months ago
It seems very feasible that we could produce hydrogen using thorium energy on a large scale to curb our dependency to fossil fuels. Hydrogen storage is an obstacle but challenges make the world go around.
ericr64 8 months ago
@ericr64
Hydrogen is a handy fuel source for professionally managed vehicles like planes and spaceships that can adequately take precautions against it's explosive nature, but except for fuel cells it's a really bad idea for personal transport. Instead, why not just synthesize hydrocarbons out of carbon dioxide and water? Carbon neutral gasoline, or perhaps jet fuel, until fuel cell and capacitor technology matures!
Dewkeeper 7 months ago
I don't see the problem that a few people are complaining about not understanding this. It's very well done. Extremely informative.
minirobot1 8 months ago
This isn't nice to watch.
Can you provide links in the description to the actual talks?
SoNDgs 8 months ago
@SoNDgs There's hyperlink annotations at 9 second mark. Or search for the following "The Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor: What Fusion Wanted To Be" , "Aim High: Using Thorium Energy to Address Environmental Prob" , "Energy From Thorium: A Nuclear Waste Burning Liquid Salt Thorium Reactor"
gordonmcdowell 8 months ago
@gordonmcdowell Putting them in the description would be a lot easier for everyone. There's no reason not to.
SoNDgs 8 months ago
@SoNDgs Done.
gordonmcdowell 8 months ago 4
@gordonmcdowell Awesome
SoNDgs 8 months ago
amazing video thanks so much thumbs up!
MTL911Truth 9 months ago
Jct: I can't get past the 4:13 mark. Please get this up in comlete form. Very good.
kingofthepaupers 9 months ago
@kingofthepaupers At the 9 second mark, you'll see 3 annotation hyperlinks (if you are viewing the video on a desktop not an iPhone) and you can jump to all of the source lectures. There's 3 long-ass lectures this is from, not a single "complete form" presentation. So if you want more details you'll have to pick through those. There is also LFTR IN 25 MINUTES, but it isn't slower paced, it just covers more material.
gordonmcdowell 9 months ago
i don't see how this is yet an answer, Solar and Wind are so much safer to invest in
omsriramsriram 9 months ago
@omsriramsriram Check out "Innovate to Zero!" Bill Gates talk. He does a good job outlining the challenges with renewable energy. I (personally) think renewables should continue to be subsidized or at least receive R&D tax deductions, as they have their place. I'd be happy to stick solar panel roof shingles on my roof, since that space wasn't doing anything anyway and all roof tiles eventually need replacing. But solar and wind farms are a very LOW DENSITY way to harvest INTERMITTENT energy.
gordonmcdowell 9 months ago 3
@omsriramsriram Maybe the West is not capable of providing the answer. China's decision to go it alone on LFTR development changes everything and takes the initiative out of our hands. If China succeeds, they will have and control the cheapest, safest, lowest carbon technology of all, making solar and wind forever too costly and carbon polluting on a large scale; useful for OK for house tops and RAPS maybe but for large-scale base load power to drive industry? I don't think so.
MaddrellRoger 9 months ago
@omsriramsriram Ever heard of neodymium? You need a lot of it for wind power, and it's not safe to produce. Search for "neodymium lake china". Oh and a byproduct of the thorium reaction is neodymium (but we wouldn't need much without the wind power boondoggles).
How about cadmium, the stuff in commercial solar cells? It's not exactly the safest substance, either. Plus you have to cover a huge portion of the Earth's surface with solar panels instead of trees to produce energy on a global scale.
HitfulVids 7 months ago
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Evidently those who run the planet would rather destroy it before they give up the seat of power. Now we need to develop scalar wave energy generators to assist in the decaying of the unnatural radiation particles in our atmosphere and earthly environment. Perhaps from a satellite platform in space. If THEY can make earthquakes with these generators, then WE can probably Help to cure this planet of it's Diseased Parasitic Bumblelords Who continue to destroy it. GET OUT THE GUILLOTINES!!!!
sorenjoy1 9 months ago
Evidently those who run the planet would rather destroy it before they give up the seat of power. Now we need to develop scalar wave energy generators to assist in the decaying of the unnatural radiation particles in our atmosphere and earthly environment. Perhaps from a satellite platform in space. If THEY can make earthquakes with these generators, then WE can probably Help to cure this planet of it's Diseased Parasitic Bumblelords Who continue to destroy it. GET OUT THE GUILLOTINES!!!!!
sorenjoy1 9 months ago
How about we get all the troops home and spend the money on some of these and capturing the energy of the undersea vents instead.
lifeformalien 9 months ago
One of the speaker sounds like tony stark, agreed ??
theghost 9 months ago
Why the heck isn't some large corporation doing this privately? We've had private space flight.. this is easier and the payback is *enormous*.
solhsa 9 months ago
LFTR was only ever going to be developed where the government had the power and confidence to tell big business what it can or can't do. That most certainly isn't the US. If not in China, then where?
MaddrellRoger 9 months ago
One concern I have for this process is Liquid Fluoride. I am not a scientist but I believe there is still a danger of liquid fluoride getting into the water table and destroying some precious gray matter of many species of animals including human beings......just a thought.
darencavalliere 10 months ago
so are we ever gonna see anything like this?? thanks to the nuclear crap in japan now, we'll probably never build another nuclear plant for 100 years, even if it's a new safer design (not that our current plants are even that super dangerous either). this should totaly be on the news or something. that's pretty nifty.
creamyfilling102 10 months ago
@creamyfilling102 CNN is owned by coal lobbies. That's why they don't mention there are 2x more NPPs closer to the tsunami and quake epicenter, but their back up backup generators were not near the NPP ocean front. Back up generator placement design flaw not a reactor flaw.
Anyhow, Anything with the word "reactor" is dead for another 100 years as you said.
nagasako7 10 months ago 4
@creamyfilling102 the Chinese have already announced that they're running with this idea. It'll be 10-15 years I'd have thought but we will see this put in place and then spread worldwide. The end of the age of fossil fuels is upon us.
ozwaldm 10 months ago
7 people must work in the fossil fuel industry and do not want clean clean safe energy.
Membrane556 10 months ago
Wow, so a solution to the worlds energy crisis does exist!!!
Unfortunately as our Western societies are largely run by Oil and Power Corporations, the chance of Thorium being used soon in the West is slight. But perhaps if the Chinese take the lead the rest of us will be able to follow.
upforlastnameleft 10 months ago
Why doesn't this have more views? Spread it ppl!
copypolice 10 months ago
9:30 makes me laugh and cry
jjmdirector 10 months ago
We have to spread the word, try Thorium, all the cool kids are doing it.
ozwaldm 10 months ago
@ozwaldm made me laugh, i vote thy for king!
aquarrius6 10 months ago
NOW is when we must spread the good word of Thorium to the world. Nuclear allready has a bad rep, but surely after this Japan inccedent we are going to see public outcry against LWR, BWR, LFTR, MSR... and anything else that has to do with the wors isotope, uranium, reactor, nuclear.. etc.
SPREAD THE WORD PEOPLE. This is the way of the future.
Cantoffie 10 months ago 4
"as you cooled it, the salt got denser and sped up reactions, as the reaction sped up, the salt would expand"
that is...the coolest fucking thing ever.
migkillertwo 10 months ago
2011 is when India is supposed to fire up it's Thorium reactor! I just looked at the background of Holifield, the guy who fired Weinberg. He was a dam men's apparel person - he was not even a scientist at all. Interesting to note he was also advisory to the atomic weapons program, little wonder he shunned thorium. I wonder how much he was on the take to push uranium so much! Corruption and stupid decisions come back to bite you - the rest of the world will probably move to thorium over time
MrMaveri 11 months ago
@MrMaveri It was explained in the video why they went with uranium. It was because it could be weaponized
xenophon86 10 months ago 2
I just finished v10 of the captions (meaning I finally fixed the Auto Transcription to the end). If anyone wants to critique the usefulness of this video in other languages, I'd like to know if the auto-translation is of any use. If you'd like to help translate captions (correctly) into any other language, give me a shout I'll send you a copy of the English transcript for translation.
gordonmcdowell 11 months ago 4
@gordonmcdowell Nice work! Sooo muuuch data! Have to absorb all this, but you've presented it in a format that one can look over and digest a bit more easily. Thank you!
Shinhaquro 10 months ago
For the first 15 min I was like "OMG .. this is amazing.." Than at the 14:24 mark I heard "I almost finished my masers in nuclear engineering" and I was like "damn man... I though I was listening to the best expert and best educated man in he industry" shiiiiittt.....
OSCAR1777 11 months ago
@OSCAR1777 Lots of people do great work then pursue the qualification later. Understanding doesn't require formal education, it just makes it easier. Einstein wrote his theories as a patent clerk. Feynman (who I consider to be the best scientist of them all) was an undergrad while working at Los Alamos and completed his degree later. Lots of people who the idea / vision before the bit of paper. Listen to "Los Alamos from below" on youtube - makes for a great listen and insight into a great mind
MrMaveri 11 months ago 2
This video is completely awesome!! Thank you so much! :)
Azazaazazazza 1 year ago
Yay, China! According to EnergyFromThorium-dot-com, and wired-dot-com (yesterday) China is launching a program to develop a thorium-fueled molten-salt nuclear reactor! The WIRED article's title is: "China Takes Lead in Race for Clean Nuclear Power".
No kidding.
gordonmcdowell 1 year ago 29
@gordonmcdowell Good for them, shame we're so corrupt and fucked-up that we're probably going to end up in mud huts while the Chinese are walking on the Moon :-(
badnewswade 1 year ago 4
@badnewswade I, for one, welcome our new Chinese overlords.
gordonmcdowell 1 year ago
@gordonmcdowell Me too. I make sure everything I buy says "Made in China" on it :)
UniRai 10 months ago
@gordonmcdowell haha! love it. me too. Americans really shit the bed on this one. makes me nervous though... sore losers act irrationally.
liennto 10 months ago
@badnewswade Hahaha what government doesn't have some bad eggs?
xenophon86 10 months ago
@badnewswade Who knows, maybe we'll just import 'em cheaper from China, just like everything else.. Low pressure means not needing the hyperspecialized reactor vessels that are only made in Japan at a single steelworks..
OtisWild 10 months ago
@badnewswade
..."the Chinese are walking on the Moon :-(".. FOR THE FIRST TIME in mankind's history!
TitusSviatoslav 9 months ago
@gordonmcdowell This isn't quite the same as the technology described in the Google video. The Chinese are experimenting with using Thorium in existing CANDU (heavy water) nuclear reactors. It's still better than the traditional light water reactors (like the ones that failed in Japan), but it's not nearly as good as a liquid fluoride reactor. The freeze plug, especially, is what gets me so damned excited, especially considering a freeze plug would have saved the Japan reactors.
MrStephenRGilman 10 months ago
@gordonmcdowell why Obama government is shying away from thorium project?or the Oil companies are against this idea?
MsAllahhuakhbar 10 months ago
@MsAllahhuakhbar Oil is against it, as is coal, natural gas, and traditional nuclear. No major industry likes developing unproven technology that directly competes with their current money maker. Especially when that unproven technology promises to make everything else they own obsolete.
NorfKhazad 9 months ago
@gordonmcdowell We had the age of steam power, we had the age of petro (we still are really), are we going to see the age of safe and efficient nuclear?
It sure would stop/prevent alot of the wars in the world, so let's hope so.
PrometheanRunGood 8 months ago
@gordonmcdowell Meanwhile in US, there's not only an uphill battle but attempts to nip in the bud. I noticed US "news, such as Huffington Post, that actually encourage misinformation of LFTRs as "lies" under the guise of environmentalism... Perhaps due to Mrs. Huffington's husband being an oil rig manufacturer mogul?
However, China, Russia, Japan, EU, and Australian news have a trickle of LFTR info. If other countries want to make the right decisions, that is their prerogative and our loss.
nagasako7 8 months ago 4
Honestly, who would dislike this video?
ventusignis 1 year ago 25
@ventusignis Every semi inteligent person?
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
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@0PsycoDad0 Would you please elaborate on what you mean?
ventusignis 1 year ago
@0PsycoDad0 ventusignis simply asked for clarification of your argument and you mark it as spam? Can you explain to me what you mean by 'the new grid?' Please don't mark me as spam for asking. Do you mean completely revamping the grid? What I mean about energy density is that renewables at this point have no where near enough energy efficiency we require. We would need way too many solar panels & turbines to run the grid, it wouldn't be feasible. Can you tell me with todays technology what you..
sunshiningschool 1 year ago
@0PsycoDad0 suggest we use? I think we can both agree we need to wean off fossil fuel right? Nuclear can provide us the necessary energy to do so right now whereas renewables cannot. Look at France - they have basically gotten rid of coal bc they are on nuclear. Germany - relying on wind and are leaning on coal still bc it isnt adequate enough. Thorium is the most energy dense substance on the planet. A marble of it could give you all the power you would use in your life. Renewables don'tcompare
sunshiningschool 1 year ago
@ventusignis I love environment, Environmentalists and sustainability. I also like Greenpeace, but i have fought long and hard with them that this NEEDS to on the forefront!. THIS is not Daddy's Dangerous Nuclear Fuel.
People classify this in the Unsafe nuclear energy bracket. but fuck! this is IT, this is the REAL DEAL. NO MORE COAL, NO MORE MOUNTAIN TOP MINING, NO MORE CO2!!!!
Cantoffie 1 year ago
@ventusignis I love environment, Environmentalists and sustainability. I also like Greenpeace, but i have fought long and hard with them that this NEEDS to on the forefront!. So i would guess that it is people who don't understand. THIS is not Daddy's Dangerous Nuclear Fuel.
People classify this in the Unsafe nuclear energy bracket. but fuck! this is IT, this is the REAL DEAL. NO MORE COAL, NO MORE MOUNTAIN TOP MINING, NO MORE CO2!!!!
Cantoffie 1 year ago
@ventusignis Only brain impaired people I think.
MrMaveri 11 months ago
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@ventusignis the military industrial complex
OscarMaris 10 months ago
@ventusignis
GE, who is invested in the uranium/plutonium cycle of death.
biped19 9 months ago
@ventusignis
Coal miners.
DanieleGiorgino 9 months ago
@ventusignis Problem- Thorium is NOT easy to buy!! I contacted the U.S. Dept of Energy, about purchasing 25 Kg from their stores. Was given BS run-around, even though I have a nuclear physicist, and two reactor engineers who want to work with me....
Patriotgal1 7 months ago
And because of stupid politics and general ignorance a game changing technology like this is left out, instead we hear all the time how wind turbines, solar panels and biofuels are going to somehow magically replace the huge quantities of energy we get from fossil fuels.
SkyyCaptainn 1 year ago
It would appear that PsycoDad over here is pissed off because if people were to try to implement Thorium reactors the government probably won't subsidise that new solar panel on his roof.
Butmunch666 1 year ago
The time has come for Free energy to be revealed ,But the Oil coporations life depends on covering this up,Find a motor that needs no fuel or input at LT-MAGNET-MOTORdotCOM ,Let the revolution begin!
polysemousncrk 1 year ago
The Germans were making thorium powered energy 80 years ago.
bloodstone1445 1 year ago 3
This @0PsycoDad0 guy is FULL OF EXCREMENT. If one does a search based on his assertions, then very little of he has stated about thorium, Cs-137 & Sr-90 can be substantiated in regards to long term dangers.
"No long lasting nuclear waste" and short half life.
The "data" that he will use as "proof" came from weapons testing. Come on @0PsycoDad0, links us some sources. Not a propaganda site or video that supports your "cooky" point. Or, are you just a "neo-enviro" nut bitch of the bankers.
biped19 1 year ago
@biped19 If you´re too retarded to understand that uranium mining is "somehow" connected to your glouriously stupid idea of the HTR it´s propaganda....
xD!
Uh yeah whacko? sure thorium isn´t coincidantly a waste product of other mining operations? INCUDING uranium mines...
LOL! You´re such a joke. Yeah it´s cheap because most of it is digged out in Australia as useless waste. As if seperation´d occur in the pit...
*hammering head on desk*
Imbecil is too whitewashed!
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
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@biped19 LIKE LIKE LIKE!! :)
Cantoffie 1 year ago
0PsycoDad0 is a dis-info agent posing as some sort of "anti-NWO" creature. A typical tactic that failing tyrannical nations will use: Destroy the truth movement from within by preventing the formation of consensus. He will undoubtedly call me a "conspiracy theory nut" despite the fact, that technically, his page falls withing this definition, as well as failing to understand what a conspiracy is. If he cared about the environment he would be over at another channel complaining about BP instead.
biped19 1 year ago
@biped19 Yeah stop thinking!
Don´t understand nukular physics and don´t learn your glorious reactor type breeds Sr-90 and Cs-137.
Continue to live in scientific la-la-land! Believe in mumbo-jumbo and practice senseless rituals! Follow your leader into another nukular stone age.
ROFL!
You´re paranoid nut!
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
*reclimbing chair still weeping*
You´re true imbecil. Never read such pointless semi arguments. The fact that this breeding reactor was the glorious future in the 50s comes just as littlel to your mind as the fact that this is perpetual motion on pseudo scientifical basis.
Experience doesn´t count just as hazard evaluation is pushed aside.
Oh i forgot the US get´s rid of its´nukular waste by selling it as ammunition. Now that´s a CT worth investigating (PGU 14-B projectiles)!
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
@0PsycoDad0
Thank you for proving my point. Go complain about a real environmental hazard like the BP oil disaster.
biped19 1 year ago
Thorium is mentioned by Joseph Farrell as a key element to the Xerum 525 used in the NAZI Bell Project. The reason they give for why they were mining the Thorium may not be the real reason they are mining it... The NAZI's were stockpiling Thorium towards the end of WW2, and it's possible they were interested in a specific isotope of Thorium to use in their Xerum 525. If US Military were trying to acquire massive amounts of Thorium for Black Ops, they would need some form of an excuse.. Right?
AlienScientist 1 year ago
What a crappy proposal.
Uh yeah nukular works.
*Hammering keyboard against forehead*
Only a idiot can believe in usefullnes of nukular fission.
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
Yucca Mtn. is not getting full it was shutdown by Obama this year...........Now what are we gonna do with the waste? The thorium reaction chain does not have this problem.
bmecher 1 year ago
LFTR FTW.
biped19 1 year ago
@biped19 How about getting an education first?
It has been tried in the 70 and FAILED big time wasting gazzillions of taxpayer money?
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
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@0PsycoDad0
You must be an al bore disciple, or neo-enviro nut doing the bidding for the banksters & energy cartels. Unfortunately, you are confused between the isotropic decay of: Th, Pu & U.
"Totally neglecting the consequences. It´s like saying thermal nuclear warfare is the safest cause it never happend."
Your nonsense statements above proves that you are a reactionary shill, with no education. Your comparative assertions are baseless and laughable. Nice try.
biped19 1 year ago
@biped19 Rep it mate... shout it from the roof tops.
Im makeing a T-shirt.
Cantoffie 1 year ago
Great way to provide our Future Energy means.
spboike 1 year ago
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@spboike LOL!
HTR never worked and never will.
Get an education stupid!
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
Great wat to provide our Future Energy means.
spboike 1 year ago
@spboike Well er NO?
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
GO THORIUM!
Cantoffie 1 year ago
@Cantoffie GO SHITTY BS!
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
@0PsycoDad0 You are a fucking tard, DID YOU EVEN WATCH THE VIDEO?
I am an environmentalist and humanitarian, I have watched the video, i have watched the full version several time, read articles, web pages, and boks on this stuff.
just like it was stated in the video this is not a 100% cure, but it does address major problems of current LWR's and Coal Power's inefficiency.
Stop spouting shit.
Cantoffie 1 year ago
@Cantoffie Kid get an education.
A scientific illiterate will gladly jump on this pseudo sollution as this vid serves dupery. Thorium reactors were shut down 20 yrs ago due to utter failure of this techtree. Now some uneducated moron wants to sell me this as WHAT?
ROFL!
It´s NOT a 1% cure BECAUSE IT`S CRAP! Get it. Just because BHP has mounting waste heaps of thorium the tax payer has to throw away another trillion to recreate this nuclear nightmare?
Simpleton, PLZ get an education. It hurts.
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
@0PsycoDad0 Part II
The LFTR was R&D only recently, thorium for fuel was shut down because of its failure to satisfy the demand of the Cold war effort and efforts after that for a nuclear program that was geared towards defense not power.
Cantoffie 1 year ago
@0PsycoDad0 You are apparently completely misinformed about the molten salt reactors, and their track record.
yt2845 1 year ago 2
@yt2845 This techtree is a step backwards and only "interesting" because the biggest mining companies of the world dig up tonnes of otherwise worthless minerals! Get it!
Nuclear reactors are at best not used at all. I´m misinformed on salt reactors? LOL!
How about you spreading misinformation about renewables? We need no highly toxic devices to ceate cheap electricity! This whole "discussion" is absurd!
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
@0PsycoDad0 This techtree is a step forward because it utilizes free energy source which has energy density billion times the solar sources in a clean and on-demand manner. We abandoned solar sources for more energy dense and on-demand available fossil fuels, and we are not going back, besides window dressings.
yt2845 1 year ago 3
@yt2845 LOL!
How clueless you are....
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
@0PsycoDad0 I would love to use renewables, however they do not have the energy density necessary to even come close to being a practical reality for running the whole grid, especially if we try to use it to charge electric cars and heat homes. Solar is too expensive to be viable right now. Essentially, we would have to completely cover the US with wind turbines to replace our current usage of energy. Thorium plants could power the US and it would only take up half of the size of Rhode Island.
sunshiningschool 1 year ago
@sunshiningschool Dude, sorry but your approach is completely one dimensional.
You haven´t even considered the interconectivity of the new grid.
We produce energy when it´s available without pollution and for free; then store it partly in the infracstructure of the old sys. ,f.ex. pumped storage hydro power.
Of course we need to turn everything inside out.....
But arguing with "energy denisity" doesn´t make any sense anyhow. Guess what powers our star->hydrogen?
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
@0PsycoDad0 You must be completely ignorant of technology to make your "highly toxic" claim. If you were any familiar with solar device manufacture, you would be aware of the highly toxic processes this employs, and the silicon tetrachloride polluted wasteland in leaves behind in China, for instance.
The whole point of nuclear technology is the exceptionally small amount of waste. A fully closed fuel cycle produces waste which needs to be shielded for 300 years only, which is trivial.
yt2845 1 year ago 2
@Cantoffie And YES kid i´ve watched this hillarious dupery.
Nucular tech is crappy because it produces imponderable risks. Guess why every nucular power facility is virtually uninsured. Because no sane market participant exept the gov, hence the tax payer, is willing to take the risk of paying 20 billion in case of meltdown.
Just in case you haven´t noticed but this reactor type has been prone to failures during operational hours! But i think real world issues are none of your concearns.....
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
@0PsycoDad0
HA Thorium LWR's are prone to melting down... The Liquid Fluoride TR eliminates this problem with the loop system that can be drained as quick as possible in the event of overheating.
Thorium Nuclear power is not your unsafe Uranium/Plutonium LWR.... No Proliferation, means no Problems!!!!!
And regarding the "Problems", Where is the literature? Where is the hard evidence? Guess what,
Cantoffie 1 year ago 2
@0PsycoDad0 Please read this very readable first hand account, Google for The Molten Salt Reactor Adventure by H. G. MacPherson (link cannot be posted :/ )
yt2845 1 year ago
Very good point Xringer. Most forget jacques cousteau saying that world population needs to be reduced to 10% of what it is now to save the planet.
Speakers also forget to mention that commercially operated Uranium power plants have better safety record than any other industry anywhere. The notion that there wasn't enough research money to go around is also bogus. I used to work for DOE. If they thought they could sell it the money was always there.
robertlcrocker 1 year ago
@robertlcrocker "Speakers also forget to mention that commercially operated Uranium power plants have better safety record than any other industry anywhere."
LOL! What a retarded comment. Totally neglecting the consequences. It´s like saying thermal nuclear warfare is the safest cause it never happend.
OMG! My eyes start bleeding reading such idiotic crap.
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
'Revenue stream' is the entire reason we are in the state we are in.
Soon, Walter will be in every bodies pocket powering their lives.
ISamuelII 1 year ago
can a 50kW LFTR be made and be efficient ?
shodanxx 1 year ago
@shodanxx NO! Was tested ages ago and abandoned because it´s BS!
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
@0PsycoDad0
who is it, exactly, that tried this and when ?
and what are the reasons why it doesn't work ?
shodanxx 1 year ago
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0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
It was invented in the 50s tried globally throughout the 70s and 80s?
The thorium transmutation fantasy never worked as nukular fission is economic suicide and only "works" because taxpayer subsidies make it cheap.
Ever learned what damage amount is assured per reactor?
Ever learned how much taxpayer money is being dumped into the eternity storage for nukular waste? Forget it, the US doesn´t need a storage as they simply sell their nukular waste as ammunition! (PGU 14-B projectile)
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
@0PsycoDad0
sorry, but I have a hard time taking you seriously because you can't spell "nuclear" correctly
also the PGU-14/B Armor Piercing Incendiary for the M61 Vulcan is made out of 99.25% depleted uranium 0.75% titanium
it contains NO thorium
I thought that thorium was cheaper because it is 20 times more abundant than uranium and has no commercial uses
and what do you even mean by "thorium transmutation fantasy"
please give sources to what you advances
who else has tried this reactor?
shodanxx 1 year ago
@shodanxx The US built the first reactor of this type but shut it down to ferquent problems in 1986.
Germany also built one and shut it down. It was a horrendous taypayer money sucker and turned out to be a multi billion D-Mark grave.
Following this techtree equals tring to mount a steam engine on a car. It´s an utter waste! It FAILED. Even a short wiki search proves my point in every respect..
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
@shodanxx Also take a look at:
watch?v=jNN88drmQ54
To get some real world impressions as even this glorious attempt needs new fuel.
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
@0PsycoDad0
I watched that but that thing is only about uranium ...
shodanxx 1 year ago
@shodanxx OUCH!
Then try to figure out HOW Thorium is mined TODAY.
One hint it´s somewhat connected to kularite...
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
@0PsycoDad0
what about it ?
kularite is more commonly called Monazite, it is a widespread mineral that contains mostly (40-50%) cerium, and amongst other things 5% to 30% thorium
it is one ore that contain the least thorium and thorium is a waste product of the mining because Monazite is mined for it's valuable lanthanides and rare earth metals
thorium is not being mined because there is no demands for it
current price for pure thorium is around 150$usd/oz, this is not a subsidized price
shodanxx 1 year ago
*EYES BLEEDING* Yeah whacko thorium is a waste product in the 2 rare earth mines but their output is none existant when compared to the OTHER MINES where thorium is a unwanted byproduct! AND thorium is often accompanied by uranium THERE´S the connection. Learn what MINERALS are. Also the seperation process is ON THE SURFACE KID! YOU CANNOT deceide which ore to leave behind.
You´re cunning like a 1st grader. UNBELIEVABLE! Get an education before discussing serious stuff!
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
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"thorium is not being mined because there is no demands for it"
And therefore 2nd graders´re happy to create some demand?
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
which country is having active Th based nuclear reactors?
mams00 1 year ago
How can you hold enriched Uranium in your finger tips without dying? Like in the photo.
starrychloe 1 year ago
@starrychloe Join the russian navy
nilsjevivderilsje 1 year ago
@starrychloe I guess they found out later....
AlienSphinkter 1 year ago
@starrychloe Uranium, even the highly enriched stuff, is not dangerously radioactive. The radiation it emits can be stopped by a piece of paper and can't penetrate the skin. It is only once it has been fissioned in a reactor and split into very radioactive fission products that serious precautions need to be taken.
Things with long half lifes are not very radioactive (a bit counter-intuitive, I know), and Uranium 235 has a half life of 700 million years. Thorium's is 14 billion years.
Jupiter065 9 months ago
As a nuke in the USN I really hope that the US can grab this opportunity. Nuclear power is what will allow civilization to continue progressing and it is time that people stop being afraid of nuclear reactors. The Navy has shown that reactors can be run for decades without a single accident. The government needs to step in and invest in the infrastructure of this nation in order to see progress.
fleaisagod 1 year ago
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@fleaisagod " Nuclear power is what will allow civilization to continue progressing and it is time that people stop being afraid of nuclear reactors. The Navy has shown that reactors can be run for decades without a single accident"
I beg to differ but they are really great at keeping tight lips on the ships.
ISamuelII 1 year ago
Good video but it's the Environmentalists, not the Uranium-Plutonium cycle folks, who have supressed thorium. Greenies don't like it because it won't generate any carbon tax revenue.
robertlcrocker 1 year ago
@robertlcrocker THAT is not true!! They don't like any kind of power plant.
They are even trying to stop solar farms (hurts tortoises) and wind-farms.
Their reason? Clean power means MORE clean power. More power
means more people living well. Which means more people!
Environuts see 'people' as the real problem. Less people is their goal..
Xringer 1 year ago
@robertlcrocker Stupids liar!
HTR never worked and intelligent ppl figured this out AGES ago! GET IT!
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
when u upload it says up to 15 mins how did u get your video over 15 mins?
iiblitz 1 year ago
@iiblitz I've got an old "YouTube Director" account, so I got that ability grandfathered in even when they stopped offering it to new director accounts.
gordonmcdowell 1 year ago 12
@iiblitz I have a video that tells you how to travel back in time and create a directors account, the problem is that i cant find the video and I forgot the password for my "grandfather director's account." So that video is lost in oblivion, until i remember my password.
rikipalma 1 year ago
Something like this could allow us to go to folks like Iran and GIVE them a working reactor with all the toys to build more and reduce the ability to weaponize the effluent. ... Solves lots of economic problems (and generates a few others for legacy players), solves many energy issues, and lots of long term pollution issues. Now if we can get the politics out of the way, it would be a win for all.
servant74 1 year ago
@servant74 "Solves lots of economic problems"
LOL! Only a clueless fool can propose such BS!
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
Is this your latest remix? feel it's better than the 10 min one you did ?
kbs1138 1 year ago
@kbs1138 The 10 min one was after it, but I don't think it is necessarily better. I was just trying to make it as compact as possible depending on how much time people had to view the content... I was making a DVD, and wanted to let the viewer choose the appropriate video length. I'll iterate when either someone comes to Calgary to speak on this subject, or I can travel to cover a full length lecture on LFTR... that is looking like it may take half a year. Do you want source files for DVD?
gordonmcdowell 1 year ago
WIll this ever get done? I don't know. I don't think so. It's so depressing. :-(
pacus123 1 year ago
@pacus123 "Ever" is a long time. I'd certainly like to see a commercial reactor developed somewhere on the planet in the next 10 years, but I doubt that will happen. Will a commercial reactor come online in 30 years? That's possible. The more people know about these concepts, the more likely it will be 25 instead of 35.
Hope the whole global warming thing doesn't kick us to shit before then, but humans are pretty resourceful once pretending the problem doesn't exist becomes impossible.
gordonmcdowell 1 year ago 2
@gordonmcdowell
I hope I see cheap clean energy in my lifetime. :-(
pacus123 1 year ago
@pacus123 With dimwits like these proposing "solutions" from 40 yrs ago?
NO?
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
@gordonmcdowell LOL!
Clueless nutjob!
It has been tried ages ago and FAILED miserably! GET AN EDUCATION!
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
@pacus123 to many nuclear lobbyists, and doesnt make bombs. Also it is not a viable business unless the governments start developing it.
Cantoffie 1 year ago
I just added to YouTube annotation links back to the original talks. Having finally gotten the hang of YouTube annotation links, I must say they're pretty cool, and I hope YouTube (/Google) works out all the bugs... like allowing jumping to a different time in the same video, not just only switching to different videos (at whatever time).
gordonmcdowell 1 year ago