Giuliani in 1989: There must be public funding for abortion

[MaryElizabeth4289]

having a baby doesn't make you responsible

[Sparisi1122]

Fucking disgusting. He can't just be pro-infanticide without stealing tax dollars for it.

By the way I'm not pro-infanticide even if the woman pays. Abortion is murder period.

[ZergrushEddie]

Ok, both sides need to stop it with the stupid political framing.

No one is against choice, nor is anyone against life. It's for or against the ability to have abortions that your group is about.

Pro-infantcide? Damn, I don't think Rudy likes to sneak into the maternity ward with a baseball bat

[Sparisi1122]

Rudy doesn't, he is for a mothers decision of killing their pre-mature baby. It it murder, it is the modern day holocaust.

[ZergrushEddie]

Any woman who wants to have an abortion, and can't, isn't going to be taking very good care of a child they didn't want.

For most people who want the ability to have abortions, it is less of a "I don't want a baby" and more along the lines of "I don't want you telling me I need a baby" Just my two cents.

[Sparisi1122]

So we should kill the baby because of his/her mothers irresponsibility?

I think if you don't want a baby don't make one, it really isn't that hard. It takes more work to make one than it does to not have one in the first place.

For the woman who decide to neglect their child because they couldn't kill him/her they state should remove the child from such a household.

[ZergrushEddie]

So, if a woman is raped, it must be her fault because she was at a certain place at a certain time. After all, it does take two to make a baby.

Pro-innocent-human-American-un­less-it-helps-the-poor-or-rest­ricts-my-right-to-bare-arms-ex­cept-in-the-cases-of-rape-inse­st-or-the-life-of-the-mother-i­s-at-risk-life? Most Pro Life people are.

"Don't think of it as an abortion; I like the term ovarian mulligan better"

-Dennis Miller

[Sparisi1122]

I don't know that that means with all the dashes and shit but if a woman is raped obviously that is not her fault.

By the way I'm done arguing abortion is infanticide period. Unlike you liberals who protest and shit all day I have a job and things to do so I'll get back to you some other month.

[joellypolly]

wut an idiot,

we would spend millions of dollars on abortions

when we could use that money to further cancer research, or help hurrican katrina victims!

[WizardWhateley]

Excommunicate this hellhound bastard!

[ajax1723]

He is one more reason I am voting for Ron Paul. Why doesn't he just run as a Democrat? Pro Abortion and Anti-Gun.

[shobarae]

i dont think there should be public funding for abortion....they have to stop it before it gets to killing innocent non born children. how about free womens clinincs, free birth control?

and yeah i am a dude.

[alequa10]

I agree this should not be the responsibility of public taxpayers dollars no more than the public taxpayers should pay for another persons breast implants. In fact, when my wife was diagnosed with breast cancer and had to have a full mastectomy, I never once heard of any "Pro women's group" or "Politicians" standing up and paying our medical bills. However, if a woman has unprotected sex, then charge the taxpayers? That makes no logical sense unless one lacks serious brain synapses.

[KoopaKid17]

Very well said. I am not using my tax dollars to help a foolish woman kill her baby.

[alequa10]

Stereotyping is not a form of acceptance in this discussion Koopakid17. Men are more so guilty than the women!

[alequa10]

Allow me to clarify Koopakid17. I am "Not" blaming women for anything in this post. Rather I am saying "Men" have just an equal part in any transferable diseases and Pregnancy to the opposite sex. To lay blame upon only one participating party in a mutual act is redundant. (As you said: "foolish women." In which I highly disagree with that comment). I'm simply saying that no matter the act; don't charge the taxpayers for someone's (mutual) choices.

[kittykat19892007]

you could say the same about the NHS- in england i mean, you could say we shouldn't have to pay tax towards peoples operations or care etc.

[alequa10]

And to answer this question of paying for other peoples operations, the answer is absolutely not!! Why am I the taxpayer responsible for YOU? If I smoke and drink and liver falls apart and lungs collapses, does that mean every Taxpayer in the U.S. is Responsible to Pay out of their pockets for my free choice? According to you, Yes. The true answer is no, the individual chooses that and the individual is responsible via insurance, out of pocket, ect.. but not the Taxpayer.

[kittykat19892007]

in the uk, in England where im from we have the nhs which is when we pay tax out of what we earn each year, i think thats a fair system to help pay for operations and so on.

[alequa10]

As to answer the NHS taxpaying system in the U.K., I would merely comment that if you think paying you're hard earning pounds into a system for others operations, abortions, ect., then that is you're free choice. However, when a Country Force others to do this, it is simply Stealing, and nothing more. It does not address the root cause of the problems, it does not reduce the problem, it simply allows it to grow under the disguise of taking another persons money against their will.

[alequa10]

Should we start a Mandatory Taxpaying system for Overdose of Alcohol poisoning of College students that chug quarts of whisky? Why not...at this rate I can tax you until you have nothing left. Or is that better addressed as being a responsible steward of ones self? There is No excuse for an abortion as there are far too many ways to prevent it. I do however draw the line and completely agree with abortion when it comes to child rape/incest. That I will help pay for.

[alequa10]

And KittyKat, with the exception of Child Rape/Incest and the exception you mentioned whereby contraception failed, ie...the pill, when is it that taxpayers are therefore responsible for others free choices? In my opinion, there isn't. Yes, it is true in very rare cases in the U.S. whereby Medical contraception's did not work, however that manufacture pays for the unwanted pregnancy and damages. So again, where do taxpayers become responsible for adults free decisions?

[kittykat19892007]

Personally i think we need to have the National Health service, im glad we have it in the UK, Im not just talking about abortions but all sorts of operations, because how would you like it if you became ill for example and you either didnt have ensurance or it didn't cover it and if you were treated it would be ok but if you wasn't it would be life threatening.

[kittykat19892007]

I am pro choice, i don't have a problem with paying tax to help those women who were raped or in cases where contraception has failed, to help them have an abortion in the early stages of pregnancy.

[alequa10]

And just to clarify further kittykat, I am not pro-choice other than life threatening and such Proven cases of minors/incest, ect. Otherwise it becomes a free choice of lifestyle and that therefore is NOT the Taxpayers responsibility, it is the Individuals Responsibility. There are far too many ways to prevent pregnancy, not to protect oneself is ill responsible, and I will not pay for such stupidity or choices.

[kittykat19892007]

your not reading what im saying, im saying in the cases people do use contraception and it fails then they should not be denied the right to have an abortion.

[alequa10]

Well, I don't about the abortion policy in the U.K. Kittykat, but in America it is legal during the first term per se', as some states have regulations slightly higher in definition of time-line. Now of course if you wait until you are 7-9 months pregnant a say, Hey, I'm pregnant and contraception didn't work and now want an abortion, tough luck as stupidity played a major role and again, is not the taxpayers responsibility.

[kittykat19892007]

You say if a women has unprotected sex, its just as much the mans fault as the womens, stop putting all the blame on females.

[alequa10]

Kittykat, I never laid the blame upon women as the sole fault.. READ PRIOR TO POSTING, PLEASE...I said it is just as much blame on both parties. However, that being said, If a woman wishes to have an abortion, so be it, but damm, don't charge me the taxpayer for it, pay for it yourself... That's my beef with this issue.

[alequa10]

And again Kittykat, you're remarks are redundant. I'll quote you here "You say if a women has unprotected sex, IT'S JUST AS MUCH THE MANS FAULT AS THE WOMENS" Yes I said that, but then you follow up with saying " stop putting all the blame on females.

[kittykat19892007]

yes because im pointing out that its just as much the mans fault as it is the womens therfore both should be blamed not just one.

[luv2berite]

Giuliani is an idiot. I just wish someone could give a straight faced reason why people want this guy for President. Spare me on 2001. He did not stop the plane from hitting the Twin Towers. He helped clean up.

[rigso321]

I agree its like rewarding the janitor for cleaning up a spill. Its his JOB! and he actually made alot of mistakes like neglecting air quality and cutting body recovery short, the result? Hundreds of brave workers sick and bones being found months later.

[luv2berite]

So true, so true!

[alequa10]

Rigso321, I'll bet Bill Clinton wishes he would have taken your advice about "Cleaning up a spill". In fact, I can only hope than Hillary wins the Dem primary, therefore, all of white water, Health care failures and future failures with health care suggestions will come out as well. Those in White water testifying against Hillary committed mystery suicide, died in accidental plane crashes and the likes until no one was left; is another way of being a janitor, and cleaning up a spill too.

[rigso321]

Sure im not defending any Clinton. I do personally think the whole Clintons are murderers thing is obnoxious but to each his own. I didn't even mention them in my comment.

[covakid]

Former abortion counselor,Kathy Sparks, says, "The counselor at our clinic could cry with the girls at the drop of a pin. She would find out what was driving them to want to abort that child and she would magnify it."

Former abortionist, McArthur Hill, M.D., says, "I am a murderer. I have taken the lives of innocent babies and I have ripped them from their mother's wombs with a powerful vacuum machine."

...from prolifeDOTcom