My father was born there in 1933. I am not sure why they were there....because they were from Germany. I have family in Poland (famous Polish actor, artist and professor) but he and his wife died in a fire and none of the remaining relatives want to communicate with their American cousins. This video helped me understand more about where my father came from. He did not talk about his life very much, and he has been gone for many years. Thanks for posting this video.
lithuanians fond city, lithuanians builded it. Poland occupied it polonized people killed lithuanians banned language, all books, newspapaers, closed all schools, and on top of that started massive propoganda. And they were keep ataking and occupieing more lands our "friends" and now we have to deal with this shit. DO u even know that there was no real poles in vilnius? it was big mix of multi culture and multi nationality? language was big mix thats why was poland started polonization...
@PvPcleric You are right Lithuanians built Wilno but not Lithuanians from Samogitia but primarily Polish speaking Lithuanians. Poland saved you from the Teutonic Order then helped you to become civilized. Your aristocratic families accepted Polish as their native language (Radziwiłłowie, Sapieha) and became Polish of their own free will. Polish nobility "adopted" Lithuanian families and granted them Polish coats of arms read about Union of Horodło.
Response to other comment: "Wilno nasze" is kind of response for... let me cite someone " i hope Prussians will get freedom and lithuania would get Suvalkai back". Do you recognise anything... Buy the way, do you really think that our comments can change the borders?Answer is not! Why then your country behaves like Lukaszenka regime? Are you really so afraid that you culture will perish or is it a typical complex of younger brother?
Ok I have carefully red your comments. Do you really think that the reason is always necessary to hate someone or something. Look at Nazi Germany, look at Soviet Russia. My point is that you are European Nation in XXI century but behave like those bastards.You are teaching your children in schools how to hate other people. I am giving you an example and you are justify that half brain teacher. Sorry but I can not imagine the same scenario in Poland schools.That guy should instantly lost his job!
@TheWieczory "Do you really think that the reason is always necessary to hate someone or something. Look at Nazi Germany, look at Soviet Russia. My point is that you are European Nation in XXI century but behave like those bastards" THATS WHAT POLAND DOES!!! u teach ur children that Vilnius is polish city u twist history ur Sikorski made this chaos about discrimination, U ATACKED Lithuania u polonized them, u killed lithuanians, u still keep suvalkai.
@TheWieczory maby start showing people real history not this fucking discusting imperialistic propoganda, and then u gana get respect from Lithuania. And lithuanians knows all this shit very well, thats from where this hate comes, and u keep taking a shit on us and on top of that saying that we discriminate polish speakers... thats fucking discusting and only pigs do that!
@TheWieczory since when vilnius is polands city? it was 700years lithuanias capital u moran , go back to school kid cus ur history knowlage is the size of the bird shit.
Why you are so vulgar? Is it a kind of frustration because of lack of arguments?
Ok so according to your theory Berlin supposed to be Slavic city just because it was founded by Slavic people?
I think you are wrong. Wilno (Vilnus) was founded by Lithuanians but built and developed by Polish. The truth is that your present capital was entirely under polish cultural influence from XIV/XV to XX century that is 500 years roughly speaking. That is pure fact.
@TheWieczory no u r totaly wrong in Vilnius always lived lithuanians belarusians germans and yews (multi national city ) the polish language started to be popular at nobility at 17decade. It was never polish city it is totaly lithuanias historical center almost same as Trakai.Read history from english or lithuanian books, polish books are for brain washing (nazi politics tactiks). as they say its always easy to learn history from one book.
No offence but how the hell you know what history books I have red? Maybe you are kind of person who knows everything, like nazi for exemple? Every history book (except of Lithuanian...) clearly states that Wilno was Polish city, first because of people (culture, language) secondly because of architecture. Now Wilno belongs to Lithuania, Lwow to Ukraine and Breslau to Poland. The only difference between Lithuania and Poland is that we are not hiding the true history of our cities.
@TheWieczory u r wrong again,1.architecture is from itali and funded by lithuanian dukes and nobilty2.poland polonized lithuanians belarusiasn, jews and germans in 1919.3city was 700years capital of lithuania fond and builded by lithuanians,4.its total bullshit that history books say that vilnius is polish city cus its not even posible,5it was multi cultar multi national city always more lithuanians jews belarusians then poles.6there was never migration from poland to vilnius
@PvPcleric 7.almost all surnames are polonized lithuanian surnames.8it was always big mix of languages in vilnius... i could continue but cba i think its enough facts for u. if u dont accept it, its ur problem and u should read history not from 1 book. u dont need to respond to me cus i cba to talk with u sicne u know nothing about history, just shit from youtube and chauvinism what you heard from brainwahsed people .
You know what I am just wondering why are you writing comments and taking part in discussion if you already know what is truth and what is not! Who do you try to convince? I think you should watch this clip watch?v=9QR6_Zh4Zq4&feature=g-vrec&context=G29ddf82RVAAAAAAAABg Obviously it is in polish but If you find my comment you will know what is about. Please tell me is it another polish propaganda or is it normal in Lithuanian schools.....?
@TheWieczory no1 says polish people are pigs, BUT people who comes says wilno nashe is pigs and they are a fucking pigs and fuck them all, this chovinism has to stop if u want respect from lithuania dont ignore us dont twist history dont take all history achievments to ur self, look people what they say about achievment, look at movies, look at what belarusians doing and u think we should respect people like that?btw ur sikorski doing this shit and there is political reasons.
@TheWieczory look at that top coment in that video tis totaly brainwashed moran nazi writhing this shit and ppl accept it, and u think he is right? its fucking bullshit, there is no logic in that coment, its fucking ill person who thinks poland is best cus of polish propoganda and when 30milions screaming on 3milions its not posible to show truth, try adleast read history facts not from youtube, look it from over sides.as they say history is wery simple from one book.
@TheWieczory and u think lithuanias diskile polish brainwashed people for no reason? u think we are just like fuck poland and its people, lets hate them for no reason, lets call them pigs and idiots ? things doesnt work that they, we saw what poland is friend with occupation polonization, and killing lithuanians, and all that war, so adleast try to understand us and from where that hate comes, then maby people gana be more friendly.
Самым ярким примером полонизированных белорусов является А. Мицкевич.
Ю. Пилсудский был конечно реваншист, он ведь так упорно мечтал о границах 1772, да и по матери он был из Виленщины. Если бы не ситуация эпохи II Жечи, когда власти Польши и Литвы упорно не хотели искать разумности и настоящей правды, сегодня возможно отношения польско-литовские были бы другими. Но я считаю извинится должны первые поляки перед литовцами, белорусами, украинцами. Ибо наследие I Жечи это наследие скорее польское.
Исторически литовцы попали в польский капкан сами. Ягелло и др. были первыми кто совершил тот безумный шаг из православия в католичество.
Но больше всего ситуация усугубилась в 18 веке. Если бы не разделы Речи, то через 200 лет литовцы были бы вымирающим этносом, вроде пруссов.
Т.к. грани различия меж белорусскими говорами и польскими едва уловими, можно утверждать, что население Виленщины в 1917 было скорее полонизированными белоруссами, чем поляками.
@SchlomoMasonstein Litewskie, a właściwie żmudzkie, to mogą być i są psie stolce na trawnikach w Wilnie. Wilno i Wileńszczyzna na zawsze polskie. I Wrócą do Polski.
Yep, in Poland we all skirt Lithuania the Gretest nation in europe with 2 L-39 Airplane , who will be destroyed in XIII Century in Cross( maybe you dont remember- Polish help you survive). You can ended like Pruses - dissapear or the better thing: Speak Germany. So your ,,national tradition" is the part of Polish tradition and culture. Lithuania remember me little boy who is crying. You are all funny, and remember if you not accept our laws in Lithuania we do the same with Lithuania people in PL
@coffeeicecream51 It's LITHUANIAN, not some Polish. Even if Poles had Vilnius by breaking treaty and killing thousand of Lithuanians - it will never be Polish town!!! Documentary from occupation is all they can enjoy!
@Deimauk POLISH WILNO always in our heart and mind. We will never forsake and forgive. It is not the end of history. During II World war lithuanian occupants colaborated with Nazi. You will pay for your crimes in Ponary.
There is no Wilno - it's Vilnius. And it's ithuanian city, not Polish, no matter how much you would want it!
It has never been Polish and never will!
Regarding Ponary - I am guessing that's from Polish Foreign Affairs minister's nazi book? In Paneriai (not some mystic Ponary) - place next to river Neris there were a lot of people killed. I assure you - no more Lithuanians were involved than e.g.in Jedwabne - or is it only Poles count?
@Deimauk You have too many wet dreams. It was, it is and it will be WILNO. It is your choice to live with us in conflict. It is nice to see how you are frightened that some day we will come back. It is nice to see your anger when you realise that we still keep WILNO in our heart and mind. It is your foult that relationships between Poland and Lithuania are so bad. You have declared war towards polish minority in Lithuania. Ofcourse we know that you are small nation with only 3 milions souls.
@antyrezun - Vilnius was founded by Lithuanians and there is nothing Polish. If my dog gets flees - it does not mean my dog is not mine any more, but flees'.
Regarding 'Polish minority' - they are Polish speaking Lithuanian citizens. What Poland has to do with them???
@Deimauk Pole will be never lithuanian. In Lithuania live 250.000 polish speaking Poles who are lithuanian citizens( thats right ) but with POLISH nationality. On your own example you can see that it is only your problem. In July I visited Wilno and my friends who live there. Be sure that thay feel in 100% Poles. You can forbid surnames education street names. II is waste of time. Poles survived occupation and communism. You think that you are stonger than Germany or Russia. I do not think so.
@antyrezun Finally we aggree on something - these so to call 'Poles' ARE Lithuanian citizens. So they have be lawyal citizens - or is it not the case with Poles?
Occupation? We already aggreed that Vilnius is Lithuanian, so the only occupation we are talking is 1920-1939 one. Surnames for Lithuanian citizens and street names are written according Lithuanian law and quite a number of Lithuanian and European Courts already confirmed this.
Education? Common - where else on Earth do Polish speaking people have such a numer of schools in native language? Even if you'll count all in the rest of world, it would still make smaller number than in Lithuania. Or is it that history has to be taught in Lithuanian and this way it will not be this AK history?
@Deimauk Finally we agree NOTHING. It will not be LSS history. Respect for respect. Poles will be loyal citizens of lithuania ONLY if their minory rights will be respected. You will NEVER deny polish roots in Wilno. If you really wolud like to live with Poland in friendship you would not cowardly hide behind some European Courts decisions. Between 1920-1939 Wino was city where Poles had absolute majority. We will never leave our polish brothers and sisters in Lithuania. They can count on us.
@antyrezun I'll just repeat - if my dog gets flees - this does not make him a property of flees. Occupation of Vilnius is not ownership, faking documents with population count - so typical Polish! Why you are not mentioning numbers of e.g. 1917? Because with all Lithuanian hospitality there was only 3% of real Poles.
It does not matter how many times you'll repeat - Vilnius will never be Polish. Lietuva per amzius!
@Deimauk Ocourse. Occupation of Wilno is not ownership. It refers to lithuania after 1945. No arguments no proofs so typical Lithuanian. I does not metter how many times you will repeat - Wilno is Polish becouse Poles still live there. Niech żyje Polska.
@antyrezun 4)Jeszcze Polska nie zginela Jednak widać koniec Nawet wasze wschódnie kresy Teraz będzie niepotrzebne A będziecie wy ratowac Swoje Polskie dupy. Idźcie uczyć się ruskiego, Będzie wam potrzebny A kto uczyć się nie zechce, Będzie niepotrzebny.
@robisx2 Na efekt twoich całonocnych halucynacji odpowiem krótko : WILNO ZNACZY POLSKA. A teraz możesz dalej tworzyć swoją komunistyczną twórczość pachołku moskiewski.
@antyrezun Wariacie !!! Tylko taki jak ty oszołom moze włóczęgac swoich marzeniach takie bzdury.Vilnius zawsze bylo Litewskie miasto.A Suwalki zawsze byla Litewska ziemia etniczna,i zawsze zostane Litewska.
@robisx2 Do WILNA to ja jadę jak do Polski. To jak kolejne polskie województwo. W przyszłości Tablice wojewódzwa wileńskiego dostaną pierwszą literę tj "A" . I tak Wilno AW......., Soleczniki ASL......., Troki ATR..........Wasze litewskie nazwy to taki element uboczny i mało znaczący. Polak i tak wie że wjeżdża do Wilna, Solecznik, Trok. itd. W Suwałkach to waszą mniejszość zmieścimy na jednej kanapie. Zajmą co najwyżej jeden przedział w pociągu do kowna. Pajacyku internteowy jesteś "0".
@antyrezun bendžemi was tczekacz w Vilnius do tej pory poki pieklo ostynie.A Minsk,Kijuw,Smolensk,to nie Polska?dlia czego, jak to rozumiecz?Marszalku prowadž nas do Smolensku.
@Notanga0920 Niedawno z Wilna wróciłem. Może za rok znowu pojadę więc siedź i czekaj. Co do piekła to już tam czekają na morderców z Ponar gdzie litwini kolaborowali z niemcami. Do Mińska i Kijowa nie muszę jechać bo to nie nasze miasta.
@antyrezun I jak Vilnius rodakuw nikt niezabije?Czekacz mnie niepodszebne jest,sam w Polsce bywa m czensto no takich džiwolionguw stakimi wypowiedžiami niespotkalem,tutaj jest wsziscy bochatery,i tym ''bochaterom''' jest okolo 16-17 lat.O Minsk i Kijuw pomiszl.W piekle oni jusz dawno jest.
@Notanga0920 Ty jeszcze o tym Kijowie i Mińsku. To ja tobie polecam Ulan Bator i Taszkient. Takie azjatyckie klimaty to coś dla ciebie. Tak przy okazji to twój polski ubawił mnie do łez szczególnie "czekacz" "dziwolionguw" a bohater pisze się przez "h" a nie "ch" .
@antyrezun Ulan Bator mnie niepodszebnyj,wam žiemi malo i malo.Icz i zabiež te žemi ,tylko Smolensk,Smolensk niezapomni'' Marszalku''.Gramatiki nieuczilem.
@Notanga0920 Sami chcecie konfliku z Polską. Stereotypami XVIII wieku to żyjecie wy. Domagamy się normalnych w całej Europie XXI wieku praw dla polskiej mniejszości czyli pisowni polskich nazwisk, prawa do polskiej edukacji i zwrotu ziemi zagrabionej przez komunistów na takich samych prawach jak odzyskują ją litwini. Polacy nigdy nie będą litwinami. Mogą być obywatelami Litwy ale zawsze Narodowości Polskiej.
@antyrezun To ja žyje?ja kszycze na pul EU odajcze Suvalkija? kture wy zagarneli 1920r s kturej pohodži moja rodžina.Ja demaljuje tablicy,pomniki poetam w Suvalcziznie?o jakich prawach ty muwisz?jest 120 szkul polskich szkul panstwowych,ile jest szkul Bialorusi,Ukrainie?2 albo 3.idcze do Luki do Janukowicza u bratjah slowian poproszce skul wiencej.Niekture litery u nas jest inne.Žemi nam tež wsziskiej niewruczili.Hot i bielarusami albo poliakami mnie bez ružnicy,kim oni bęndę.
@Notanga0920 W Polsce są litewskie tablice i są zamalowane bo na Litwie nie ma polskich wcale. Wasze litery też są inne i nikt nie zabrania w Polsce pisać. Na Białorusi i Ukrainie nie ma takiego skupiska Polaków jak na wileńszczyźnie więc szkół jest mniej bo więcej nie potrzeba ale to prawda że to słowiańscy bracia. My nie chcemy waszej ziemi bo wzięliśmy niemieckie ziemie. Chcemy tylko praw dla naszej mniejszości bo od tego nie ustąpimy. W EU granic nie ma więc jedź do Suwałk jak ja do Wilna.
@antyrezun No skont ja bęndę ''rozumial''Kto bijesze na žycie to ma pierwsze mejsce,akto ne, gdže sedži?odpowiedž prawdžiwa,w d......ie. LT 97-PL 77 i o to chodži.
@Notanga0920 I jakie to ma znaczenie. Żadne. Ale jak widać tak nisko upadłeś że nic nie znaczący mecz wprawia cię w euforię. Uważaj żebyś w przypadku przegranej nie wpadł w dziecięcą rozpacz i nie zaczął w złości tupać nóżką. A teraz wracaj do piaskownicy.
@antyrezun Ja nizko upadlem?ja lamie stadijony u was?ja robie awantury w waszyh miastach?ja wyziwam buj s policje na waszyh drogah,ježeli tak ,no to upadlem nisko, no i co teraz robicz?niebež do glowy jeszcze wygracze,u jakiego stadijona,polamacze kszesla,jeszcze co.Dobrego wykendu.
@Notanga0920 To co piszesz to chuligani prowokowani przez waszą antypolską policję. Wy zakazujecie polskiej mowy szkoły i nazwisk i jesteście chuliganami w białych kołnierzykach. Dobrego weekendu.
@antyrezun I policja juž anti Polska?.Czlowieku,czlowieku,idž panie do tawarisčia Luki i poproszcz,o wienksze prawa,szkoly,karty poliaka,jenzyk polski w gminach,Može jusz w BL poliacy nie mieszka?albo nie,niechodž do tawariszčia Luki,jeszcze zlego tot slowianin wam zrobi.Tak miszle mmmm idž panie do neurologa,on to jeszcze wam pomože.
@Notanga0920 Już myślałem że to koniec tej dyskusji bo chyba życzyliśmy sobie dobrego weekendu, ale proszę bardzo możemy kontynuować. Widzę że jakiś straszny "luko" też cię prześladuje po nocach. Na stany lękowe, depresyjne i twoje kompleksy przed Słowianami polecam psychiatrę.
@naviown1 Wilno will be back in fatherland in about 10-20 years" - can you say how you can do this?
historical justice. who would thing about independent lithiania in 70s - 80s and this happened. the same is situation of polsih minority- they live in the concrete teritory, they have the same language and culture and are politically organised, so why arent they independent ?
objective lithuanians say that you learn such things in your books as if you were the biggest and most important contry in europe troghout history. but in fact you are pathetic nationalist country of less than 3 million. you are so sad and ugly looking like a combination of zhirynovsky and dracula. you commit most crimes in scandinavia. Wilno will be back in fatherland in about 10-20 years.
@norffolkk2 "you are so sad and ugly looking like a combination of zhirynovsky and dracula" , you're have good imagination. less than 3 million" - quality is better than quantity. "Wilno will be back in fatherland in about 10-20 years" - can you say how you can do this?
You are bigger chauvinist then I've expected. Yes, we are small nation, but we are NOT bigots like you said, or something else. And what you talking about day of the reckoning is like fairy tales :). I'm living in Vilnius, I know there is a lot BY, PL, RU people. BY and RU people don't say anything about discrimination, but PL shouts a lot. I want to ask a question for person like you. Why PL people saying that they're feeling discrimination?? Lithuania is doing the same thing like USA, Germany.
@laurynasleskauskas Truly I don’t give a shit what you think of me. Yeah your pretty insolent indeed, let me tell me why they fell persecuted. It is because you don’t want to return them their land taken by the soviets, that’s 1. You do everything to close Polish schools, that’s 2. Poles cannot use their language in public bureaus even in areas where they are the majority, 3. There are many more reasons, in reality you are savage barbarians unworthy to call yourselves Europeans.
@laurynasleskauskas Oh, about the day of the reckoning. We Poles make up the majority in the Wilno region. I am certain that within few decades we are going to get Wilno back and you are gonna get exactly what you deserve for all of your crimes. We just need you to continue your policy of hatred for several years and I will be able to visit Wilno without hearing your language of Mordor.
Vilnius is Lithuanian.It was built by and lived in by Lithuanians for all times and Polackshits only polonized it.Be ashamed of what you did you pigs.All of Poland once was the lands of Balts and Polacks were Balts who sold they're culture to slavs like prostitutes. so don't speak to us about stolen land you ignorant slow pokes.I hope the world one day will kill you all you polska fags.You are mearly Slav(e)s.
@DelTevynes Hey Baltic motherfucker, piece of shit cocksucker. Wilno was, is and will be Polish. And you can just keep on pushing, keep on persecuting the indigenous Polish nation there, in the Republic of Central Lithuania. Sooner or later we are gonna come and chop you up really good.
@panslavic To understand better the attitude of some (German driven?) Lithuanians you should research the relationships between Swedes and Fins and between the English and the Welsh etc.
It should help to take hate out of equation.
There is also a pretty good scene from Monty Python's Life of Brian where Jews deliberate What have the Romans ever done for us.
Poland can be too busy loosing Silesia over the next few decades to even think about its folk left in the East.
@panslavic Damn dude, you're so angry... Ask your self why I'm so angry, and after that you should read History of Lithuania - Poland after the union death. Poland stole so many villages and cities from Lithuania. Don't be so rude, you're giving bad example for other people. And I think you're big chauvinist too.. Don't be animal.
@laurynasleskauskas Yes I do am angry. I know the Polish history very well and don’t tell me that we stole something. Those were the decisions of the King and of the treaty. And you are insolent by saying that I misbehave, my comments are only a response to the chauvinistic and boorish comments of your kind. The truth is that you are a small nation of bigots and that the day of the reckoning is approaching.
2. Lithuania language is very interesting and original/ ( Can't say that about your language.)
3. Moreover, you can be stupid, aggressive animal, like your country football fans. ( Look at other countries like Italia, Lithuania, Estonia, Germany...)
@laurynasleskauskas The only stupid and aggressive people on this forum are your Baltic homies and you. You are members of a tiny pseudo nation of criminals and murderess, you hear me scum? Before you write to me anything else you should practice your English since you make errors which are irritating to read.
@laurynasleskauskas Man you are stupid, reasoning with you is pointless. You should read all of the comments of your kind in the chronological order to see who is the fucker here.
@panslavic I don't know me at all, so shut your mouth dog, and answer my question. Why you are saying that : "You are members of a tiny pseudo nation of criminals and murderess" my friends in UK, Germany said that local people hate pole?
@laurynasleskauskas 2 Even Jagiello/Jogaila was predominantly Slavic of Ruthenian extraction. Tiny, because you are tiny. PS I know local people from UK who hate you Balts, tell me why?
3 Yeah, it appears that you are in a desperate need of a history lesson. The GDL was a Slavic country with the Slavic crushing 90% majority, there were also Germans, Armenians and Jews, an at the very end there were you, the Balts, far to the North in Samogotia (or something like that), that region wasn’t even a part of the country for a couple of years. The elites in the GDL were Ruthenian but with years they became Polish and after several centuries the cities were all Polish
@laurynasleskauskas 4 (with Jews as significant minorities) and the nobility was all Polish. In the XIXth century to be a Litvin meant to be Polish. And you my friend, you evolved form the illiterate Baltic peasants whom the Russians wanted to russify. your kind gained your national identity in the second half of the XIXth century. My surname in Polish is...... Litwin, what means Lithuanian, my roots are in the GDL but I have nothing to do with you.
Your historical knowledge about Lithuania are close to propaganda? Why? Because polish politics want to conquer those teritories. You trying to do this ~ 500 years. I could tell you one thing - baltic hydronyms are common in teritory between Berlin and Moscow and this is scientific fact (1). In Zhechpospolita was a treaty between GDL and Poland to not allow polish people to live in Lithuania and not allow GDL citizens to live in Poland (2) until 1795.
@Cercilius I presume that talking to you won’t do any good but still you’re wrong. The treaty of the Union of Lublin abolished the ban which disallowed the Poles to buy land in the GDL. And talking stuff like that our politicians wanted to conquer something is just plain bullshit and paranoia. Poland always had a better level of cultural development than the GDL and the Ruthenian (not Baltic) nobles wanted to become Polish. It was all voluntary. And it was good. Long live Poland and Litva.
@laurynasleskauskas 1As for a scum you are pretty demanding, very well. Murderers, because you murdered 20.000 Poles in Ponary, criminals, because you stole Polish property and don’t want go give it back (their estates and their land). A pseudo nation, because you stole your name form the true Litvins, the Poles and the Ruthenians since the Grand Duchy of Lithuanuia was a Slavic state with Ruthenian and later Polish as the official language.
the official language of grand duchy of lithuanian was old belorussian. lithuanians spoke lithuanian at home and belorussian as their second language. later lithuanians also started speaking polish. first they were bi lingual and then a lot of them just switchet to polish. people in mixed marriages switched to polish. 100yrs ago most lithuanians didn't speak lithuanian. most of the polish speakers in lt were lithuanians.
@polishranger Lithuanians never spoke Belorussian as second language. Only some nobles and civil servants. Latin was state language for many European countries and it was used in churches as the first language but believe me or not common people did not speak Latin.
"100yrs ago most lithuanians didn't speak lithuanian." Does it written in Polish history books? :)))))
This thing happened in some areas including Vilnius and Vilnius county, but far cry from the rest of Lithuania.
@mnplastic1 hehe you're making fun of polish history books? this is common knowledge. history lover around the world know that. 28% or so of lithuanian nobles spoke lithuanian at home, the rest spoke polish. polish was a language of day to day dealing in lithuania. lithuanian dialect of polish is part of your heritage just like lithuanian and samogotian. nothing to be ashamed of really. i will send you a private message if you don't mind.
@polishranger No I am just writing that not all Lithuanians spoke Polish. I agree in respect of nobility and Lithuanians who were living in town and cities or close to cities and had to deal with people from towns and cities.
@mnplastic1 ofcourse not. i think most of people could speak at least two (probably more languages). lithuanian rebounded and is a thriving language now. you have a beautiful dialect of polish language spoken in lithuania. you should keep it up and present it to the world as part of lithuanian heritage.
1936 roku. moja babcia mala wtedy 15 lat. zastanawiem sie czy moze na tych zdjeciach sa jacys moi krewni albo przodkowie. ciekawe wtedy w wilnie mieszkalo tylko pareset litwinow. dopiero w 1980's litwini stali sie wiekszoscia mieszkancow wilna.
@arimanaz i bet 100 years ago, your ancestors didn't even speak lithuanian. your great grandfather called vilnius wilno. before the war you fucks destroyed polish community in pre war lithuania and you alsa destroyed protestant lithuanian community of klaipeda. you behaved like savages towards your own people.
read some history books, stupid. There are historical documents, archeological evidence and so one. it is called historical source. not Lithuanian books, if you wish. But not polish too. And people who survived polish savagery in occupied Vilnius, they have left some memories for us. So we know what it was like. And you know wat? there are many normal poles in Vilnius, they are well educated, not like you.
@arimanaz and what period of time are we talking about here? you are talking about polish occupation so i'm thinking you're talking about the time between the wolrd wars right? how many lithuanians lived in vilnius then and what was happening to them? what does it have to do with the way lithuania treat the polish lithuanian minority?
50% of population. When you occupied Vilnius, tried to polonise native population or to drive them away. Some people were forced to polonise their surnames, and dont say it is not true, I know these families. Some were killed. Taking Vinius by force and tratory and breach,then keeping it for 20 years... and then sayng ,, vilno nasze". and what problems do poles have in Lithuania at this moment? except of some of them being arseholes?
@arimanaz what do you say to this? Remiantis 1916 m. gruodžio 14 d. (Vokietijos okupacija) duomenimis, Vilniuje buvo 138 794 gyventojai, iš kurių 53,67 % sudarė lenkai (74 466 gyventojai), 41,45 % žydai (57 516), lietuviai 2,09 % (2 909), how did you make 50% out of 2.09% ? poles 53% jews 41.45% i hope you can read lithuanian. do you know anybody who's family name is markunas?
at that moment it was 2 %. but not from the begining of Vilnius. It was religious center of ancient Lithuania long before it became capital of the country. it is proved by historical sources. it is 100% lithuanian at its origins. the fact, that natural population of the city was driven away by poles does not make it polish. yes, there was a moment in its history, when it was only 2% of us here, but now it is different.
@arimanaz you don't know lithuanian history too well do you? nobody was driven away. rich lithuanian nobles often spoke polish at home. you could be lithuanian and not speak lithuanian. just like today you could be irish and only speak english. lithuanians started speaking polish because it was convenient. than you had some poles who settle there (people migrate you know?) there was never forced polonization. no polonization.
I know people... there was polonization, as it was russification. many people are changing their surnames back to lithuanian, for they know their family history. facts dont lie.
@arimanaz when lithuania became independent, some lithuanians opted for lithuania, some for poland. pilsudski and zeligowski were lithuanians and they opted to be with poland. look at narutowicz brothers. one signed the declaration if lithuanian declaration, the other became the president of poland. families were divided. friends became enemies. markunas was lithuanian and he was my grandmother's first husband. my uncle is lithuanian and only speaks polish.
@arimanaz stanislaw narutowicz was one of the 20 who signed the lithuanian declaration of independance. his brother became the president of poland, his wife was pilsudski's cousin. what do you think about forcible lituanization of lithuanians of polish language and tradition in pre war lithuania? they were attacked and discrimiated against. what happened to all those polish speakers in lauda region? you think you lithuanians are saints?
@arimanaz DO NOT lituanize polish speakers in vilnius and area. they are of polish language, polish culture and tradition, they are polish but they are also as lithuanian as you are. the greatness of lithuania has always been tolerance and multiculturalism. lithuanians spoke polish, lithuanian and belarussian. don't destroy that. if you want to be a great nation you need to include lithuanians who speak other languages at home.
aaa... this is interesting. what do you mean by saying ,,lituanize polish speakers"? it is not forbiden in Lithuania to speak polish or any other language or to develop ones culture. According to lithuanian constitution, no person should be discriminated or BE PRIVILEGED due to his nationality. Some of my friends, who are poles, by the way, denied any facts of discrimination, also told me about strong fealing of shame because of stupidity of notorious pan Tomaszewski.
belorussian was not second language,it was used for oficial documents only. common folks spoke no belarussian. as for nobles, I see nothing good in betraying ones traditions. It was the same with russian nobles, when everyone turned french. And Lithuanian language was always here, no aggressive force could destroy it, nor it was poland or russia or germany.
at that moment it was 2 %. but not from the begining of Vilnius. It was religious center of ancient Lithuania long before it became capital of the country. it is proved by historical sources. it is 100% lithuanian at its origins. the fact, that natural population of the city was driven away by poles does not make it polish. yes, there was a moment in its history, when it was only 2% of us here, but now it is different. and what about Markūnas?
could just put this mess behind us. Besides, shouldn't we be trash talking the USSR and Nazi Germany instead of eachother? They're the ones who put the both of us into such a mess. Honestly, I love Lithuania and I love Poland but some people just make it difficult sometimes. Please just look into the history of BOTH countries before you decide to completely hate it.
You can't judge the strength of a nation by its military or size, but it's people and our people were always very strong. I mean, just read about how stubborn we were to get our historical captial back. Also, don't just brush off the days of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, we were once the largest country in Europe. Something a weak nation could never do. And I'm just saying this to the respectable Polish people, I admire your many rebellions and your strength. Wish that both of our people-
@PawnedKabuto ok, lithuanians are a great nation. now go on and behave like a great nation. vilnius is your forever, we don't want it. we want you to treat polish minority in lithuania with respect and we want you to learn lithuanian history. you have your own country now, you don't need to keep on telling everyone that lithuanians are not polish. you don't have to pretend you don't understand polish my granmother was half lithuanian. you have any polish blood in you?
Damn people, calm down! Especially the people who are being completely biased about the whole thing. Look into the history from both sides before typing up insanely insulting comments. You wanna make us hate eachother? Though a lot of us do, which is unfortunate. Both sides had their reasons, war makes countries desperate and turn on one another. Also, the reason Lithuania couldn't fight back well was because we didn't have an actual military. We weren't and were never weak.
No dobra Litwini tak się napinacie to dawajcie swoje filmy i zdjęcia z "Waszego Wilna" które będą pochodziły z okresu sprzed II Wojny Światowej sprzed 1939 roku ? Macie takie ?
Poland not only tried to assimilate Lithuania (thanks god to germans and russians ) but they even was stealing dead bodies of our grand dukes and changing history thats why Lithuania hates poland.
@TheBloody071 LOL? you said "before II war this city belonged to Poland." and now you say "but its not under the polish control!! " if you still don't get it i meant if ww2 would not occur (in the time when Vilnius was in Polish occupation) but it would still become Lithuanian (without WW2) Your understanding in comments is stupid .
@alieev What? You need the Germans to help you kill us you fucking pathetic pedophile?? You little Baltic pieces of shit couldn’t win a single battle on your own during your history, you were like a fucking parasite always sucking juice from everybody around. And no, it will be you who will die you Baltic peasant motherfucker, to chop you up with an axe would be still too merciful. Wilno Semper Fidelis!
@panslavic LOL ? Vilnius was founded by our grand duke in the territory of BALTIC traditions and the language was Baltic , only the regions in the east , south spoke Slavic. We won ALLOT of battles by our own Our country was stronger at medieval ages.Your corrupt Union idea killed both countries. Our duke Jogaila took control of your country for once . And you are blaming the British for not helping you in WW2 ? The British has nothing to gain when helping such a shitty country.OVERALL-YOU SUCK
@eiffelTowerMan You don’t really get it, do you? During the city’s history you Balts never formed the majority of the population. The town was inhabited by Slavs long before your duke announced its foundation, it hasn’t suddenly just popped out of nowhere. Of course I don’t expect you to understand it for you apparently learn the alternative version of history at school.
@eiffelTowerMan Oh, one more thing. The Union was with the Ruthenians since they, together with us, were, are, and will be – the true Litvins. As a matter of fact my surname is Litwin - what literally means Lithuanian, but I have absolutely nothing to do with you and I wish I would never have.
@panslavic popped out of nothing? well .... the baltic tribes and traditions were in the location when Vilnius was constructed under the order of our Grand duke Gediminas . The inhabitants were the people from the land which were baltic .
The original subtitles are in lithuanian, this a documentary about "Kaziuko" fair. This city is not called "Wilno", it is called Vilnius, the polish have OCCUPIED it though bloodshed in 1920 and started massively pumping polish settlers in, pushing that natives out - so what "tragedy of Polish inhabitants of Wilno" are they talking about?
I encourage everyone to read up on Vilniu's history at least in Wikipedia, the tragedy of the LITHUANIAN nation...
@Repter1961 ya, sure Read some Wikipedia ,than u would know that u've written bullshit
Wilno is a great example of polish culture!! Before the I war there are about 1,8% of lithuanians living in Wilno,
before II war only 0,8%
So what are you fucking about?? Wilno Polish again !!! the title of one's lithuanians newspapers some time ago. You wild people who murdeured Polish people in ponary forest in 1939. I split at ur faces
REMEMBER THAT IF THE II WAR DID NOT OCCUR WILNO, WOULD STAY IN POLAND
@Repter1961First of all Wilno was founded by Slavs, archeological digs confirmed it. So what that some duke of yours wrote in some document some line about it when it still was a Slavic settlement? The Grand Duchy of Lithuania was also a Slavic state with 90% of Slavic majority, the official language was Ruthenian and later Polish and Latin, not Baltic gibberish. And finally the towns’ populations were Polish and Jewish, the elites were all Polish. There were no Balts,so stop fantasizing
WILNO NA ZAWSZE POLSKIE ! - LITEWSKIE KUNDLE !
szydlowiak1961 4 days ago
My father was born there in 1933. I am not sure why they were there....because they were from Germany. I have family in Poland (famous Polish actor, artist and professor) but he and his wife died in a fire and none of the remaining relatives want to communicate with their American cousins. This video helped me understand more about where my father came from. He did not talk about his life very much, and he has been gone for many years. Thanks for posting this video.
skycop61 3 weeks ago
@skycop61 igo sym's family?
MarcoBocoure 3 weeks ago
lithuanians fond city, lithuanians builded it. Poland occupied it polonized people killed lithuanians banned language, all books, newspapaers, closed all schools, and on top of that started massive propoganda. And they were keep ataking and occupieing more lands our "friends" and now we have to deal with this shit. DO u even know that there was no real poles in vilnius? it was big mix of multi culture and multi nationality? language was big mix thats why was poland started polonization...
PvPcleric 1 month ago
@PvPcleric You are right Lithuanians built Wilno but not Lithuanians from Samogitia but primarily Polish speaking Lithuanians. Poland saved you from the Teutonic Order then helped you to become civilized. Your aristocratic families accepted Polish as their native language (Radziwiłłowie, Sapieha) and became Polish of their own free will. Polish nobility "adopted" Lithuanian families and granted them Polish coats of arms read about Union of Horodło.
pappajka 3 weeks ago
@PvPcleric Polsza kwitniet łacinoju,
Litwa kwitniet ruszczinoju,
Bez toj w Polsze nie priebudiesz,
Bez siej w Litwie błaznom budiesz.
Litewski wiersz z 1529 proszę zauważyć że nie ma mowy o języku żmudzinów tzw dzisiejszym Litewskim
pappajka 3 weeks ago
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PvPcleric 1 month ago
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PvPcleric 1 month ago
It is the same story with Konigsberg, but russian childern are free from hatread in their schools.
TheWieczory 1 month ago
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Response to other comment: "Wilno nasze" is kind of response for... let me cite someone " i hope Prussians will get freedom and lithuania would get Suvalkai back". Do you recognise anything... Buy the way, do you really think that our comments can change the borders?Answer is not! Why then your country behaves like Lukaszenka regime? Are you really so afraid that you culture will perish or is it a typical complex of younger brother?
TheWieczory 1 month ago
Ok I have carefully red your comments. Do you really think that the reason is always necessary to hate someone or something. Look at Nazi Germany, look at Soviet Russia. My point is that you are European Nation in XXI century but behave like those bastards.You are teaching your children in schools how to hate other people. I am giving you an example and you are justify that half brain teacher. Sorry but I can not imagine the same scenario in Poland schools.That guy should instantly lost his job!
TheWieczory 1 month ago
@TheWieczory "Do you really think that the reason is always necessary to hate someone or something. Look at Nazi Germany, look at Soviet Russia. My point is that you are European Nation in XXI century but behave like those bastards" THATS WHAT POLAND DOES!!! u teach ur children that Vilnius is polish city u twist history ur Sikorski made this chaos about discrimination, U ATACKED Lithuania u polonized them, u killed lithuanians, u still keep suvalkai.
PvPcleric 1 month ago
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@TheWieczory maby start showing people real history not this fucking discusting imperialistic propoganda, and then u gana get respect from Lithuania. And lithuanians knows all this shit very well, thats from where this hate comes, and u keep taking a shit on us and on top of that saying that we discriminate polish speakers... thats fucking discusting and only pigs do that!
PvPcleric 1 month ago
LWÓW I WILNO ZAWSZE POLSKIE
Tubus244 1 month ago
litwini, naród z buszu i bez kultury, zbrodniarze z Ponar, dobrze by było odzyskać kiedyś Wilno czołgami.
Vespasianvs1 2 months ago 2
Today is November the 11, Poland’s independence day. Long live Poland and long live Polish Wilno! Forever and ever!
panslavic 2 months ago
@panslavic i hope Prussians will get freedom and lithuania would get Suvalkai back
PvPcleric 1 month ago
@PvPcleric
Yes if you return our stolen lands and cities (Wilno and Lwow).
TheWieczory 1 month ago
@TheWieczory since when vilnius is polands city? it was 700years lithuanias capital u moran , go back to school kid cus ur history knowlage is the size of the bird shit.
PvPcleric 1 month ago
@PvPcleric
Why you are so vulgar? Is it a kind of frustration because of lack of arguments?
Ok so according to your theory Berlin supposed to be Slavic city just because it was founded by Slavic people?
I think you are wrong. Wilno (Vilnus) was founded by Lithuanians but built and developed by Polish. The truth is that your present capital was entirely under polish cultural influence from XIV/XV to XX century that is 500 years roughly speaking. That is pure fact.
TheWieczory 1 month ago
@TheWieczory no u r totaly wrong in Vilnius always lived lithuanians belarusians germans and yews (multi national city ) the polish language started to be popular at nobility at 17decade. It was never polish city it is totaly lithuanias historical center almost same as Trakai.Read history from english or lithuanian books, polish books are for brain washing (nazi politics tactiks). as they say its always easy to learn history from one book.
PvPcleric 1 month ago
No offence but how the hell you know what history books I have red? Maybe you are kind of person who knows everything, like nazi for exemple? Every history book (except of Lithuanian...) clearly states that Wilno was Polish city, first because of people (culture, language) secondly because of architecture. Now Wilno belongs to Lithuania, Lwow to Ukraine and Breslau to Poland. The only difference between Lithuania and Poland is that we are not hiding the true history of our cities.
TheWieczory 1 month ago
@TheWieczory u r wrong again,1.architecture is from itali and funded by lithuanian dukes and nobilty2.poland polonized lithuanians belarusiasn, jews and germans in 1919.3city was 700years capital of lithuania fond and builded by lithuanians,4.its total bullshit that history books say that vilnius is polish city cus its not even posible,5it was multi cultar multi national city always more lithuanians jews belarusians then poles.6there was never migration from poland to vilnius
PvPcleric 1 month ago
@PvPcleric 7.almost all surnames are polonized lithuanian surnames.8it was always big mix of languages in vilnius... i could continue but cba i think its enough facts for u. if u dont accept it, its ur problem and u should read history not from 1 book. u dont need to respond to me cus i cba to talk with u sicne u know nothing about history, just shit from youtube and chauvinism what you heard from brainwahsed people .
PvPcleric 1 month ago
@PvPcleric
You know what I am just wondering why are you writing comments and taking part in discussion if you already know what is truth and what is not! Who do you try to convince? I think you should watch this clip watch?v=9QR6_Zh4Zq4&feature=g-vrec&context=G29ddf82RVAAAAAAAABg Obviously it is in polish but If you find my comment you will know what is about. Please tell me is it another polish propaganda or is it normal in Lithuanian schools.....?
TheWieczory 1 month ago
@TheWieczory no1 says polish people are pigs, BUT people who comes says wilno nashe is pigs and they are a fucking pigs and fuck them all, this chovinism has to stop if u want respect from lithuania dont ignore us dont twist history dont take all history achievments to ur self, look people what they say about achievment, look at movies, look at what belarusians doing and u think we should respect people like that?btw ur sikorski doing this shit and there is political reasons.
PvPcleric 1 month ago
@TheWieczory look at that top coment in that video tis totaly brainwashed moran nazi writhing this shit and ppl accept it, and u think he is right? its fucking bullshit, there is no logic in that coment, its fucking ill person who thinks poland is best cus of polish propoganda and when 30milions screaming on 3milions its not posible to show truth, try adleast read history facts not from youtube, look it from over sides.as they say history is wery simple from one book.
PvPcleric 1 month ago
@TheWieczory and u think lithuanias diskile polish brainwashed people for no reason? u think we are just like fuck poland and its people, lets hate them for no reason, lets call them pigs and idiots ? things doesnt work that they, we saw what poland is friend with occupation polonization, and killing lithuanians, and all that war, so adleast try to understand us and from where that hate comes, then maby people gana be more friendly.
PvPcleric 1 month ago
Самым ярким примером полонизированных белорусов является А. Мицкевич.
Ю. Пилсудский был конечно реваншист, он ведь так упорно мечтал о границах 1772, да и по матери он был из Виленщины. Если бы не ситуация эпохи II Жечи, когда власти Польши и Литвы упорно не хотели искать разумности и настоящей правды, сегодня возможно отношения польско-литовские были бы другими. Но я считаю извинится должны первые поляки перед литовцами, белорусами, украинцами. Ибо наследие I Жечи это наследие скорее польское.
casimaris 3 months ago
Panowie, można wyrażę myśli po rosyjsku ...
Исторически литовцы попали в польский капкан сами. Ягелло и др. были первыми кто совершил тот безумный шаг из православия в католичество.
Но больше всего ситуация усугубилась в 18 веке. Если бы не разделы Речи, то через 200 лет литовцы были бы вымирающим этносом, вроде пруссов.
Т.к. грани различия меж белорусскими говорами и польскими едва уловими, можно утверждать, что население Виленщины в 1917 было скорее полонизированными белоруссами, чем поляками.
casimaris 3 months ago
Ja nie chce mówić ale statystyki dla Litwinów co do Wilna są miażdżące.
W 1916 r. w Wilnie mieszkało 74 466 (53,67%) Polaków, 57 516 (41,45%) Żydów, 2909 (2,09%) LITWINÓW.
A potem była ta sławna polonizacja Wilna i w 1931r. mieszkało już tylko 1579 osób przyznających się, że są LITWINAMI. :)
lubliner4 4 months ago 2
@lubliner4 bo wilno to polskie =)
KutasusWielgus 2 months ago
Wilno zawsze litewskie!
SchlomoMasonstein 4 months ago
@SchlomoMasonstein Litewskie, a właściwie żmudzkie, to mogą być i są psie stolce na trawnikach w Wilnie. Wilno i Wileńszczyzna na zawsze polskie. I Wrócą do Polski.
panslavic 4 months ago
your nation 3 mln( 500k Poland)= 2,5 mln.
Poland=40 MLN people
Pkb lithuania= 40 mld dol
Pkb poland= 499,6 mld USD
thank you, good night
Gerdzikk1 5 months ago
@Gerdzikk1 a teraz podželiaj Pkb na ilioszc liudnoszczi,ile masz na jednego czlowieka Arhimedze?
Notanga0920 5 months ago
Gerdzikk1 5 months ago
Yep, in Poland we all skirt Lithuania the Gretest nation in europe with 2 L-39 Airplane , who will be destroyed in XIII Century in Cross( maybe you dont remember- Polish help you survive). You can ended like Pruses - dissapear or the better thing: Speak Germany. So your ,,national tradition" is the part of Polish tradition and culture. Lithuania remember me little boy who is crying. You are all funny, and remember if you not accept our laws in Lithuania we do the same with Lithuania people in PL
Gerdzikk1 5 months ago
Thank you. I just wanted to understand it in English, sorry I upset you, that was not my purpose.
coffeeicecream51 5 months ago
Why when I use the translate into my language it does not work, I can not read polish.
coffeeicecream51 5 months ago
@coffeeicecream51 It's LITHUANIAN, not some Polish. Even if Poles had Vilnius by breaking treaty and killing thousand of Lithuanians - it will never be Polish town!!! Documentary from occupation is all they can enjoy!
Deimauk 5 months ago
@Deimauk POLISH WILNO always in our heart and mind. We will never forsake and forgive. It is not the end of history. During II World war lithuanian occupants colaborated with Nazi. You will pay for your crimes in Ponary.
antyrezun 5 months ago
Grow up!
There is no Wilno - it's Vilnius. And it's ithuanian city, not Polish, no matter how much you would want it!
It has never been Polish and never will!
Regarding Ponary - I am guessing that's from Polish Foreign Affairs minister's nazi book? In Paneriai (not some mystic Ponary) - place next to river Neris there were a lot of people killed. I assure you - no more Lithuanians were involved than e.g.in Jedwabne - or is it only Poles count?
Deimauk 5 months ago
@Deimauk You have too many wet dreams. It was, it is and it will be WILNO. It is your choice to live with us in conflict. It is nice to see how you are frightened that some day we will come back. It is nice to see your anger when you realise that we still keep WILNO in our heart and mind. It is your foult that relationships between Poland and Lithuania are so bad. You have declared war towards polish minority in Lithuania. Ofcourse we know that you are small nation with only 3 milions souls.
antyrezun 5 months ago
@antyrezun - Vilnius was founded by Lithuanians and there is nothing Polish. If my dog gets flees - it does not mean my dog is not mine any more, but flees'.
Regarding 'Polish minority' - they are Polish speaking Lithuanian citizens. What Poland has to do with them???
Deimauk 5 months ago
@Deimauk Pole will be never lithuanian. In Lithuania live 250.000 polish speaking Poles who are lithuanian citizens( thats right ) but with POLISH nationality. On your own example you can see that it is only your problem. In July I visited Wilno and my friends who live there. Be sure that thay feel in 100% Poles. You can forbid surnames education street names. II is waste of time. Poles survived occupation and communism. You think that you are stonger than Germany or Russia. I do not think so.
antyrezun 5 months ago
@antyrezun Finally we aggree on something - these so to call 'Poles' ARE Lithuanian citizens. So they have be lawyal citizens - or is it not the case with Poles?
Occupation? We already aggreed that Vilnius is Lithuanian, so the only occupation we are talking is 1920-1939 one. Surnames for Lithuanian citizens and street names are written according Lithuanian law and quite a number of Lithuanian and European Courts already confirmed this.
Deimauk 5 months ago
Education? Common - where else on Earth do Polish speaking people have such a numer of schools in native language? Even if you'll count all in the rest of world, it would still make smaller number than in Lithuania. Or is it that history has to be taught in Lithuanian and this way it will not be this AK history?
Deimauk 5 months ago
@Deimauk Finally we agree NOTHING. It will not be LSS history. Respect for respect. Poles will be loyal citizens of lithuania ONLY if their minory rights will be respected. You will NEVER deny polish roots in Wilno. If you really wolud like to live with Poland in friendship you would not cowardly hide behind some European Courts decisions. Between 1920-1939 Wino was city where Poles had absolute majority. We will never leave our polish brothers and sisters in Lithuania. They can count on us.
antyrezun 5 months ago
@antyrezun I'll just repeat - if my dog gets flees - this does not make him a property of flees. Occupation of Vilnius is not ownership, faking documents with population count - so typical Polish! Why you are not mentioning numbers of e.g. 1917? Because with all Lithuanian hospitality there was only 3% of real Poles.
It does not matter how many times you'll repeat - Vilnius will never be Polish. Lietuva per amzius!
Deimauk 5 months ago
@Deimauk Ocourse. Occupation of Wilno is not ownership. It refers to lithuania after 1945. No arguments no proofs so typical Lithuanian. I does not metter how many times you will repeat - Wilno is Polish becouse Poles still live there. Niech żyje Polska.
antyrezun 5 months ago
What about Danzig? Is it also not occupied?
Jezcze Polska nie zginęła. ale zginąć musi!
Deimauk 5 months ago
@Deimauk You have to many wet dreams. Miło że uczysz się polskiego, przyda ci się w polskim Wilnie.
antyrezun 5 months ago
@antyrezun
1) Odpowiedź Polskim szowinistom Hymn Polski po wielkim Pojednaniu Rosyjsko-Polskim
Jeszcze Polska nie zginela
Ale zginąć musi
Co cholera nie potrafi
To litwin wydusze
Teraz Polska dogorywa,
Jednak widać koniec.
Już się zbliża zjednoczenie
Z braterską Rosją.
robisx2 5 months ago
@antyrezun
2)Marsz, marsz Kom'rowski,
Z ziemi Polskiej do Rosji.
Za jego przewodem
Skończymy z narodem.
Przejdziem Dniepr i Przejdziem Wolgę,
Będziemy Ruskami.
Dał nam przykład Jaruzelski;
Szanować go mamy!
robisx2 5 months ago
@antyrezun
3)Marsz, marsz Kom'rowski,
Z ziemi Polskiej do Rosji.
Za jego przewodem
Skończymy z narodem.
Jak Kom-rowski do Pałacu,
Po trupie Kaczora.
Tak narodem posteruje,
Będzie po zaborach!
robisx2 5 months ago
robisx2 5 months ago
@antyrezun
5)Marsz, marsz Kom'rowski,
Z ziemi Polskiej do Rosji.
Za jego przewodem
Skończymy z narodem.
robisx2 5 months ago
@robisx2 Na efekt twoich całonocnych halucynacji odpowiem krótko : WILNO ZNACZY POLSKA. A teraz możesz dalej tworzyć swoją komunistyczną twórczość pachołku moskiewski.
antyrezun 5 months ago
@antyrezun Wariacie !!! Tylko taki jak ty oszołom moze włóczęgac swoich marzeniach takie bzdury.Vilnius zawsze bylo Litewskie miasto.A Suwalki zawsze byla Litewska ziemia etniczna,i zawsze zostane Litewska.
robisx2 5 months ago
@robisx2 Do WILNA to ja jadę jak do Polski. To jak kolejne polskie województwo. W przyszłości Tablice wojewódzwa wileńskiego dostaną pierwszą literę tj "A" . I tak Wilno AW......., Soleczniki ASL......., Troki ATR..........Wasze litewskie nazwy to taki element uboczny i mało znaczący. Polak i tak wie że wjeżdża do Wilna, Solecznik, Trok. itd. W Suwałkach to waszą mniejszość zmieścimy na jednej kanapie. Zajmą co najwyżej jeden przedział w pociągu do kowna. Pajacyku internteowy jesteś "0".
antyrezun 5 months ago
@antyrezun bendžemi was tczekacz w Vilnius do tej pory poki pieklo ostynie.A Minsk,Kijuw,Smolensk,to nie Polska?dlia czego, jak to rozumiecz?Marszalku prowadž nas do Smolensku.
Notanga0920 5 months ago
@Notanga0920 Niedawno z Wilna wróciłem. Może za rok znowu pojadę więc siedź i czekaj. Co do piekła to już tam czekają na morderców z Ponar gdzie litwini kolaborowali z niemcami. Do Mińska i Kijowa nie muszę jechać bo to nie nasze miasta.
antyrezun 5 months ago
@antyrezun I jak Vilnius rodakuw nikt niezabije?Czekacz mnie niepodszebne jest,sam w Polsce bywa m czensto no takich džiwolionguw stakimi wypowiedžiami niespotkalem,tutaj jest wsziscy bochatery,i tym ''bochaterom''' jest okolo 16-17 lat.O Minsk i Kijuw pomiszl.W piekle oni jusz dawno jest.
Notanga0920 5 months ago
@Notanga0920 Ty jeszcze o tym Kijowie i Mińsku. To ja tobie polecam Ulan Bator i Taszkient. Takie azjatyckie klimaty to coś dla ciebie. Tak przy okazji to twój polski ubawił mnie do łez szczególnie "czekacz" "dziwolionguw" a bohater pisze się przez "h" a nie "ch" .
antyrezun 5 months ago
@antyrezun Ulan Bator mnie niepodszebnyj,wam žiemi malo i malo.Icz i zabiež te žemi ,tylko Smolensk,Smolensk niezapomni'' Marszalku''.Gramatiki nieuczilem.
Notanga0920 5 months ago
@Notanga0920 Masz jakąś obsesję i chorobę co do Smoleńska ?
antyrezun 5 months ago
@antyrezun obsesje i chorobę wy macze,cuza žiemia wam podszebna.A u, za oknem w podwurko jusz 21 wiek.Niežyj stereotipami 18 wieku.
Notanga0920 5 months ago
@Notanga0920 Sami chcecie konfliku z Polską. Stereotypami XVIII wieku to żyjecie wy. Domagamy się normalnych w całej Europie XXI wieku praw dla polskiej mniejszości czyli pisowni polskich nazwisk, prawa do polskiej edukacji i zwrotu ziemi zagrabionej przez komunistów na takich samych prawach jak odzyskują ją litwini. Polacy nigdy nie będą litwinami. Mogą być obywatelami Litwy ale zawsze Narodowości Polskiej.
antyrezun 5 months ago
@antyrezun To ja žyje?ja kszycze na pul EU odajcze Suvalkija? kture wy zagarneli 1920r s kturej pohodži moja rodžina.Ja demaljuje tablicy,pomniki poetam w Suvalcziznie?o jakich prawach ty muwisz?jest 120 szkul polskich szkul panstwowych,ile jest szkul Bialorusi,Ukrainie?2 albo 3.idcze do Luki do Janukowicza u bratjah slowian poproszce skul wiencej.Niekture litery u nas jest inne.Žemi nam tež wsziskiej niewruczili.Hot i bielarusami albo poliakami mnie bez ružnicy,kim oni bęndę.
Notanga0920 5 months ago
@Notanga0920 W Polsce są litewskie tablice i są zamalowane bo na Litwie nie ma polskich wcale. Wasze litery też są inne i nikt nie zabrania w Polsce pisać. Na Białorusi i Ukrainie nie ma takiego skupiska Polaków jak na wileńszczyźnie więc szkół jest mniej bo więcej nie potrzeba ale to prawda że to słowiańscy bracia. My nie chcemy waszej ziemi bo wzięliśmy niemieckie ziemie. Chcemy tylko praw dla naszej mniejszości bo od tego nie ustąpimy. W EU granic nie ma więc jedź do Suwałk jak ja do Wilna.
antyrezun 5 months ago
@antyrezun teraz patsze koszikuwke i te ''pajacyki'' jak ty muwisz na nas w lepi waszym nie pajacykom 53-38.Ide patszycz dalej.
Notanga0920 5 months ago
@Notanga0920 Spoważniej dzieciaku. To jest sport i zdrowa rywalizacja a nie wojna na śmierć i życie. Tylko oni to rozumieją a ty nie.
antyrezun 5 months ago
@antyrezun No skont ja bęndę ''rozumial''Kto bijesze na žycie to ma pierwsze mejsce,akto ne, gdže sedži?odpowiedž prawdžiwa,w d......ie. LT 97-PL 77 i o to chodži.
Notanga0920 5 months ago
@Notanga0920 I jakie to ma znaczenie. Żadne. Ale jak widać tak nisko upadłeś że nic nie znaczący mecz wprawia cię w euforię. Uważaj żebyś w przypadku przegranej nie wpadł w dziecięcą rozpacz i nie zaczął w złości tupać nóżką. A teraz wracaj do piaskownicy.
antyrezun 5 months ago
@antyrezun Ja nizko upadlem?ja lamie stadijony u was?ja robie awantury w waszyh miastach?ja wyziwam buj s policje na waszyh drogah,ježeli tak ,no to upadlem nisko, no i co teraz robicz?niebež do glowy jeszcze wygracze,u jakiego stadijona,polamacze kszesla,jeszcze co.Dobrego wykendu.
Notanga0920 5 months ago
@Notanga0920 To co piszesz to chuligani prowokowani przez waszą antypolską policję. Wy zakazujecie polskiej mowy szkoły i nazwisk i jesteście chuliganami w białych kołnierzykach. Dobrego weekendu.
antyrezun 5 months ago
@antyrezun I policja juž anti Polska?.Czlowieku,czlowieku,idž panie do tawarisčia Luki i poproszcz,o wienksze prawa,szkoly,karty poliaka,jenzyk polski w gminach,Može jusz w BL poliacy nie mieszka?albo nie,niechodž do tawariszčia Luki,jeszcze zlego tot slowianin wam zrobi.Tak miszle mmmm idž panie do neurologa,on to jeszcze wam pomože.
Notanga0920 5 months ago
@Notanga0920 Już myślałem że to koniec tej dyskusji bo chyba życzyliśmy sobie dobrego weekendu, ale proszę bardzo możemy kontynuować. Widzę że jakiś straszny "luko" też cię prześladuje po nocach. Na stany lękowe, depresyjne i twoje kompleksy przed Słowianami polecam psychiatrę.
antyrezun 5 months ago
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@naviown1 Wilno will be back in fatherland in about 10-20 years" - can you say how you can do this?
historical justice. who would thing about independent lithiania in 70s - 80s and this happened. the same is situation of polsih minority- they live in the concrete teritory, they have the same language and culture and are politically organised, so why arent they independent ?
norffolkk2 6 months ago
objective lithuanians say that you learn such things in your books as if you were the biggest and most important contry in europe troghout history. but in fact you are pathetic nationalist country of less than 3 million. you are so sad and ugly looking like a combination of zhirynovsky and dracula. you commit most crimes in scandinavia. Wilno will be back in fatherland in about 10-20 years.
norffolkk2 6 months ago
@norffolkk2 "you are so sad and ugly looking like a combination of zhirynovsky and dracula" , you're have good imagination. less than 3 million" - quality is better than quantity. "Wilno will be back in fatherland in about 10-20 years" - can you say how you can do this?
naviown1 6 months ago
@norffolkk2 lol
toisver 5 months ago
Eik nachuj ujobiscia. Atvaziuok tu man i Lietuva gyva blet palaidosim.
inxero 6 months ago
Where you get this information? Can you say the source?
laurynasleskauskas 6 months ago
@laurynasleskauskas History Books.
panslavic 6 months ago
@panslavic These books is from Poland? Of course. I know that because this is propaganda.
laurynasleskauskas 6 months ago
czy ten kto załadował ten film nie może zablokować tych bałtyckich ścierwojadów na tym forum?
panslavic 6 months ago
@panslavic
NO, video uploader can't block Baltic Giants region people, because people like you is our world wounds.
laurynasleskauskas 6 months ago
LIthuania has won GOLD MEDALS!!! Yeah!! We are the CHAMPIONS!!! ŠAUNUOLIAI!! LIETUVA!!! LIETUVA!!!!
laurynasleskauskas 6 months ago
You are bigger chauvinist then I've expected. Yes, we are small nation, but we are NOT bigots like you said, or something else. And what you talking about day of the reckoning is like fairy tales :). I'm living in Vilnius, I know there is a lot BY, PL, RU people. BY and RU people don't say anything about discrimination, but PL shouts a lot. I want to ask a question for person like you. Why PL people saying that they're feeling discrimination?? Lithuania is doing the same thing like USA, Germany.
laurynasleskauskas 6 months ago
@laurynasleskauskas Truly I don’t give a shit what you think of me. Yeah your pretty insolent indeed, let me tell me why they fell persecuted. It is because you don’t want to return them their land taken by the soviets, that’s 1. You do everything to close Polish schools, that’s 2. Poles cannot use their language in public bureaus even in areas where they are the majority, 3. There are many more reasons, in reality you are savage barbarians unworthy to call yourselves Europeans.
panslavic 6 months ago
@laurynasleskauskas Oh, about the day of the reckoning. We Poles make up the majority in the Wilno region. I am certain that within few decades we are going to get Wilno back and you are gonna get exactly what you deserve for all of your crimes. We just need you to continue your policy of hatred for several years and I will be able to visit Wilno without hearing your language of Mordor.
panslavic 6 months ago
@panslavic Thank you for wonderful fairy tale :D Can you write a book? I think a lot people with damaged brains should buy this.
laurynasleskauskas 6 months ago
Vilnius is Lithuanian.It was built by and lived in by Lithuanians for all times and Polackshits only polonized it.Be ashamed of what you did you pigs.All of Poland once was the lands of Balts and Polacks were Balts who sold they're culture to slavs like prostitutes. so don't speak to us about stolen land you ignorant slow pokes.I hope the world one day will kill you all you polska fags.You are mearly Slav(e)s.
DelTevynes 7 months ago
@DelTevynes Hey Baltic motherfucker, piece of shit cocksucker. Wilno was, is and will be Polish. And you can just keep on pushing, keep on persecuting the indigenous Polish nation there, in the Republic of Central Lithuania. Sooner or later we are gonna come and chop you up really good.
panslavic 7 months ago
@panslavic we will see...
DelTevynes 7 months ago
@panslavic To understand better the attitude of some (German driven?) Lithuanians you should research the relationships between Swedes and Fins and between the English and the Welsh etc.
It should help to take hate out of equation.
There is also a pretty good scene from Monty Python's Life of Brian where Jews deliberate What have the Romans ever done for us.
Poland can be too busy loosing Silesia over the next few decades to even think about its folk left in the East.
Viln... is beautiful.
factualinfo 7 months ago
@panslavic Poles always shows their mentality, such as cocksuckers. :D SHUT THE FUCK UP POLISH PROLETAR CUNT!
inxero 7 months ago
@inxero motherfucker, return to your field you baltic peasant.
panslavic 7 months ago
@panslavic Damn dude, you're so angry... Ask your self why I'm so angry, and after that you should read History of Lithuania - Poland after the union death. Poland stole so many villages and cities from Lithuania. Don't be so rude, you're giving bad example for other people. And I think you're big chauvinist too.. Don't be animal.
laurynasleskauskas 7 months ago
@laurynasleskauskas Yes I do am angry. I know the Polish history very well and don’t tell me that we stole something. Those were the decisions of the King and of the treaty. And you are insolent by saying that I misbehave, my comments are only a response to the chauvinistic and boorish comments of your kind. The truth is that you are a small nation of bigots and that the day of the reckoning is approaching.
panslavic 7 months ago
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inxero 6 months ago
@panslavic You are real invalid. You should sit in madhouse dressed with straightjacket. Maybe one day it will happen
inxero 6 months ago
@inxero Hey shithead, the title of his film is ”Polish Wilno”, so get the fuck out from this page. Get it?
panslavic 6 months ago
@panslavic Vilnius is Lithuanian, so fuck off Pszek!
inxero 6 months ago
@inxero Wilno is Polish and you're just a walking corpse mutherfucker.
panslavic 6 months ago
@panslavic You are the dumbest Pszek in the world :D
laurynasleskauskas 6 months ago
@laurynasleskauskas Nigga I don't speak your scum language:]
panslavic 6 months ago
@panslavic
1. I'm not a nigga ( Don't know about you.)
2. Lithuania language is very interesting and original/ ( Can't say that about your language.)
3. Moreover, you can be stupid, aggressive animal, like your country football fans. ( Look at other countries like Italia, Lithuania, Estonia, Germany...)
laurynasleskauskas 6 months ago
@laurynasleskauskas The only stupid and aggressive people on this forum are your Baltic homies and you. You are members of a tiny pseudo nation of criminals and murderess, you hear me scum? Before you write to me anything else you should practice your English since you make errors which are irritating to read.
panslavic 6 months ago
@panslavic "The only stupid and aggressive people"? WOW, you are dumb, just read your previous post.
laurynasleskauskas 6 months ago
@laurynasleskauskas Man you are stupid, reasoning with you is pointless. You should read all of the comments of your kind in the chronological order to see who is the fucker here.
panslavic 6 months ago
@panslavic I don't know me at all, so shut your mouth dog, and answer my question. Why you are saying that : "You are members of a tiny pseudo nation of criminals and murderess" my friends in UK, Germany said that local people hate pole?
laurynasleskauskas 6 months ago
@laurynasleskauskas I meant You don't know me at all.
laurynasleskauskas 6 months ago
@laurynasleskauskas 2 Even Jagiello/Jogaila was predominantly Slavic of Ruthenian extraction. Tiny, because you are tiny. PS I know local people from UK who hate you Balts, tell me why?
panslavic 6 months ago
3 Yeah, it appears that you are in a desperate need of a history lesson. The GDL was a Slavic country with the Slavic crushing 90% majority, there were also Germans, Armenians and Jews, an at the very end there were you, the Balts, far to the North in Samogotia (or something like that), that region wasn’t even a part of the country for a couple of years. The elites in the GDL were Ruthenian but with years they became Polish and after several centuries the cities were all Polish
panslavic 6 months ago
@laurynasleskauskas 4 (with Jews as significant minorities) and the nobility was all Polish. In the XIXth century to be a Litvin meant to be Polish. And you my friend, you evolved form the illiterate Baltic peasants whom the Russians wanted to russify. your kind gained your national identity in the second half of the XIXth century. My surname in Polish is...... Litwin, what means Lithuanian, my roots are in the GDL but I have nothing to do with you.
panslavic 6 months ago
@panslavic
Your historical knowledge about Lithuania are close to propaganda? Why? Because polish politics want to conquer those teritories. You trying to do this ~ 500 years. I could tell you one thing - baltic hydronyms are common in teritory between Berlin and Moscow and this is scientific fact (1). In Zhechpospolita was a treaty between GDL and Poland to not allow polish people to live in Lithuania and not allow GDL citizens to live in Poland (2) until 1795.
Cercilius 6 months ago
@Cercilius I presume that talking to you won’t do any good but still you’re wrong. The treaty of the Union of Lublin abolished the ban which disallowed the Poles to buy land in the GDL. And talking stuff like that our politicians wanted to conquer something is just plain bullshit and paranoia. Poland always had a better level of cultural development than the GDL and the Ruthenian (not Baltic) nobles wanted to become Polish. It was all voluntary. And it was good. Long live Poland and Litva.
panslavic 5 months ago
@laurynasleskauskas 1As for a scum you are pretty demanding, very well. Murderers, because you murdered 20.000 Poles in Ponary, criminals, because you stole Polish property and don’t want go give it back (their estates and their land). A pseudo nation, because you stole your name form the true Litvins, the Poles and the Ruthenians since the Grand Duchy of Lithuanuia was a Slavic state with Ruthenian and later Polish as the official language.
panslavic 6 months ago
the official language of grand duchy of lithuanian was old belorussian. lithuanians spoke lithuanian at home and belorussian as their second language. later lithuanians also started speaking polish. first they were bi lingual and then a lot of them just switchet to polish. people in mixed marriages switched to polish. 100yrs ago most lithuanians didn't speak lithuanian. most of the polish speakers in lt were lithuanians.
polishranger 8 months ago
@polishranger Lithuanians never spoke Belorussian as second language. Only some nobles and civil servants. Latin was state language for many European countries and it was used in churches as the first language but believe me or not common people did not speak Latin.
"100yrs ago most lithuanians didn't speak lithuanian." Does it written in Polish history books? :)))))
This thing happened in some areas including Vilnius and Vilnius county, but far cry from the rest of Lithuania.
mnplastic1 7 months ago
@mnplastic1 hehe you're making fun of polish history books? this is common knowledge. history lover around the world know that. 28% or so of lithuanian nobles spoke lithuanian at home, the rest spoke polish. polish was a language of day to day dealing in lithuania. lithuanian dialect of polish is part of your heritage just like lithuanian and samogotian. nothing to be ashamed of really. i will send you a private message if you don't mind.
polishranger 7 months ago
@polishranger No I am just writing that not all Lithuanians spoke Polish. I agree in respect of nobility and Lithuanians who were living in town and cities or close to cities and had to deal with people from towns and cities.
mnplastic1 7 months ago
@mnplastic1 ofcourse not. i think most of people could speak at least two (probably more languages). lithuanian rebounded and is a thriving language now. you have a beautiful dialect of polish language spoken in lithuania. you should keep it up and present it to the world as part of lithuanian heritage.
polishranger 7 months ago
1936 roku. moja babcia mala wtedy 15 lat. zastanawiem sie czy moze na tych zdjeciach sa jacys moi krewni albo przodkowie. ciekawe wtedy w wilnie mieszkalo tylko pareset litwinow. dopiero w 1980's litwini stali sie wiekszoscia mieszkancow wilna.
polishranger 8 months ago
There was no "Wilno" or "Vilna" or other shit. Vilnius for ages and will be.
arimanaz 8 months ago
@arimanaz i bet 100 years ago, your ancestors didn't even speak lithuanian. your great grandfather called vilnius wilno. before the war you fucks destroyed polish community in pre war lithuania and you alsa destroyed protestant lithuanian community of klaipeda. you behaved like savages towards your own people.
polishranger 8 months ago
read some history books, stupid. There are historical documents, archeological evidence and so one. it is called historical source. not Lithuanian books, if you wish. But not polish too. And people who survived polish savagery in occupied Vilnius, they have left some memories for us. So we know what it was like. And you know wat? there are many normal poles in Vilnius, they are well educated, not like you.
arimanaz 8 months ago
@arimanaz and what period of time are we talking about here? you are talking about polish occupation so i'm thinking you're talking about the time between the wolrd wars right? how many lithuanians lived in vilnius then and what was happening to them? what does it have to do with the way lithuania treat the polish lithuanian minority?
polishranger 8 months ago
50% of population. When you occupied Vilnius, tried to polonise native population or to drive them away. Some people were forced to polonise their surnames, and dont say it is not true, I know these families. Some were killed. Taking Vinius by force and tratory and breach,then keeping it for 20 years... and then sayng ,, vilno nasze". and what problems do poles have in Lithuania at this moment? except of some of them being arseholes?
arimanaz 8 months ago
@arimanaz what do you say to this? Remiantis 1916 m. gruodžio 14 d. (Vokietijos okupacija) duomenimis, Vilniuje buvo 138 794 gyventojai, iš kurių 53,67 % sudarė lenkai (74 466 gyventojai), 41,45 % žydai (57 516), lietuviai 2,09 % (2 909), how did you make 50% out of 2.09% ? poles 53% jews 41.45% i hope you can read lithuanian. do you know anybody who's family name is markunas?
polishranger 8 months ago
at that moment it was 2 %. but not from the begining of Vilnius. It was religious center of ancient Lithuania long before it became capital of the country. it is proved by historical sources. it is 100% lithuanian at its origins. the fact, that natural population of the city was driven away by poles does not make it polish. yes, there was a moment in its history, when it was only 2% of us here, but now it is different.
arimanaz 8 months ago
@arimanaz you don't know lithuanian history too well do you? nobody was driven away. rich lithuanian nobles often spoke polish at home. you could be lithuanian and not speak lithuanian. just like today you could be irish and only speak english. lithuanians started speaking polish because it was convenient. than you had some poles who settle there (people migrate you know?) there was never forced polonization. no polonization.
polishranger 8 months ago
I know people... there was polonization, as it was russification. many people are changing their surnames back to lithuanian, for they know their family history. facts dont lie.
arimanaz 8 months ago
@arimanaz when lithuania became independent, some lithuanians opted for lithuania, some for poland. pilsudski and zeligowski were lithuanians and they opted to be with poland. look at narutowicz brothers. one signed the declaration if lithuanian declaration, the other became the president of poland. families were divided. friends became enemies. markunas was lithuanian and he was my grandmother's first husband. my uncle is lithuanian and only speaks polish.
polishranger 8 months ago
@arimanaz stanislaw narutowicz was one of the 20 who signed the lithuanian declaration of independance. his brother became the president of poland, his wife was pilsudski's cousin. what do you think about forcible lituanization of lithuanians of polish language and tradition in pre war lithuania? they were attacked and discrimiated against. what happened to all those polish speakers in lauda region? you think you lithuanians are saints?
polishranger 8 months ago
@arimanaz DO NOT lituanize polish speakers in vilnius and area. they are of polish language, polish culture and tradition, they are polish but they are also as lithuanian as you are. the greatness of lithuania has always been tolerance and multiculturalism. lithuanians spoke polish, lithuanian and belarussian. don't destroy that. if you want to be a great nation you need to include lithuanians who speak other languages at home.
polishranger 8 months ago
aaa... this is interesting. what do you mean by saying ,,lituanize polish speakers"? it is not forbiden in Lithuania to speak polish or any other language or to develop ones culture. According to lithuanian constitution, no person should be discriminated or BE PRIVILEGED due to his nationality. Some of my friends, who are poles, by the way, denied any facts of discrimination, also told me about strong fealing of shame because of stupidity of notorious pan Tomaszewski.
arimanaz 8 months ago
belorussian was not second language,it was used for oficial documents only. common folks spoke no belarussian. as for nobles, I see nothing good in betraying ones traditions. It was the same with russian nobles, when everyone turned french. And Lithuanian language was always here, no aggressive force could destroy it, nor it was poland or russia or germany.
arimanaz 8 months ago
at that moment it was 2 %. but not from the begining of Vilnius. It was religious center of ancient Lithuania long before it became capital of the country. it is proved by historical sources. it is 100% lithuanian at its origins. the fact, that natural population of the city was driven away by poles does not make it polish. yes, there was a moment in its history, when it was only 2% of us here, but now it is different. and what about Markūnas?
arimanaz 8 months ago
@polishranger Could you give me details of those pre-war "mass destructions"? Or this is just in Polish or Polish sites?
mnplastic1 7 months ago
could just put this mess behind us. Besides, shouldn't we be trash talking the USSR and Nazi Germany instead of eachother? They're the ones who put the both of us into such a mess. Honestly, I love Lithuania and I love Poland but some people just make it difficult sometimes. Please just look into the history of BOTH countries before you decide to completely hate it.
PawnedKabuto 8 months ago
You can't judge the strength of a nation by its military or size, but it's people and our people were always very strong. I mean, just read about how stubborn we were to get our historical captial back. Also, don't just brush off the days of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, we were once the largest country in Europe. Something a weak nation could never do. And I'm just saying this to the respectable Polish people, I admire your many rebellions and your strength. Wish that both of our people-
PawnedKabuto 8 months ago
@PawnedKabuto ok, lithuanians are a great nation. now go on and behave like a great nation. vilnius is your forever, we don't want it. we want you to treat polish minority in lithuania with respect and we want you to learn lithuanian history. you have your own country now, you don't need to keep on telling everyone that lithuanians are not polish. you don't have to pretend you don't understand polish my granmother was half lithuanian. you have any polish blood in you?
polishranger 8 months ago
Damn people, calm down! Especially the people who are being completely biased about the whole thing. Look into the history from both sides before typing up insanely insulting comments. You wanna make us hate eachother? Though a lot of us do, which is unfortunate. Both sides had their reasons, war makes countries desperate and turn on one another. Also, the reason Lithuania couldn't fight back well was because we didn't have an actual military. We weren't and were never weak.
PawnedKabuto 8 months ago
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realdealforsure 8 months ago
No dobra Litwini tak się napinacie to dawajcie swoje filmy i zdjęcia z "Waszego Wilna" które będą pochodziły z okresu sprzed II Wojny Światowej sprzed 1939 roku ? Macie takie ?
IQ145 8 months ago
Poland not only tried to assimilate Lithuania (thanks god to germans and russians ) but they even was stealing dead bodies of our grand dukes and changing history thats why Lithuania hates poland.
PvPcleric 8 months ago
@PvPcleric
Yeah, and probably Żeligowski ate these bodies?
Dead bodies after 700 years? Dude, GDL was not ancient Egypt, after 50 years it were only bones remaining, and after 500 years?
khulik 8 months ago
Piękne polskie miasto, kościoły, kamienice. Warto zobaczyć.
zbojkak 9 months ago
but its not under the polish control!!! WHAT ARE YOU FUCKING ABOUT??
You'd better do ur homework and stop wasting ur time on writing untrue stuff.
TheBloody071 9 months ago
@TheBloody071 LOL? you said "before II war this city belonged to Poland." and now you say "but its not under the polish control!! " if you still don't get it i meant if ww2 would not occur (in the time when Vilnius was in Polish occupation) but it would still become Lithuanian (without WW2) Your understanding in comments is stupid .
eiffelTowerMan 9 months ago
@eiffelTowerMan
Lithuanian city with 2% Lithuanians (according to LITHUANIAN sources, in polish were 0,5%).
khulik 9 months ago
but its not under the polish control?? WHAT ARE YOU FUCKING ABOUT??
You'd better do ur homework and stop wasting ur time on writing untrue stuff.
TheBloody071 9 months ago
@alieev What? You need the Germans to help you kill us you fucking pathetic pedophile?? You little Baltic pieces of shit couldn’t win a single battle on your own during your history, you were like a fucking parasite always sucking juice from everybody around. And no, it will be you who will die you Baltic peasant motherfucker, to chop you up with an axe would be still too merciful. Wilno Semper Fidelis!
panslavic 9 months ago
@panslavic LOL ? Vilnius was founded by our grand duke in the territory of BALTIC traditions and the language was Baltic , only the regions in the east , south spoke Slavic. We won ALLOT of battles by our own Our country was stronger at medieval ages.Your corrupt Union idea killed both countries. Our duke Jogaila took control of your country for once . And you are blaming the British for not helping you in WW2 ? The British has nothing to gain when helping such a shitty country.OVERALL-YOU SUCK
eiffelTowerMan 9 months ago
@eiffelTowerMan You don’t really get it, do you? During the city’s history you Balts never formed the majority of the population. The town was inhabited by Slavs long before your duke announced its foundation, it hasn’t suddenly just popped out of nowhere. Of course I don’t expect you to understand it for you apparently learn the alternative version of history at school.
panslavic 9 months ago
@eiffelTowerMan Oh, one more thing. The Union was with the Ruthenians since they, together with us, were, are, and will be – the true Litvins. As a matter of fact my surname is Litwin - what literally means Lithuanian, but I have absolutely nothing to do with you and I wish I would never have.
panslavic 9 months ago
@panslavic popped out of nothing? well .... the baltic tribes and traditions were in the location when Vilnius was constructed under the order of our Grand duke Gediminas . The inhabitants were the people from the land which were baltic .
eiffelTowerMan 9 months ago
@eiffelTowerMan
Kalisz was constructed by German tribes. But it was completly destroyed and rebuilt some kilometers from earlier place. Is it German town?
khulik 9 months ago
The original subtitles are in lithuanian, this a documentary about "Kaziuko" fair. This city is not called "Wilno", it is called Vilnius, the polish have OCCUPIED it though bloodshed in 1920 and started massively pumping polish settlers in, pushing that natives out - so what "tragedy of Polish inhabitants of Wilno" are they talking about?
I encourage everyone to read up on Vilniu's history at least in Wikipedia, the tragedy of the LITHUANIAN nation...
Repter1961 10 months ago
@Repter1961 ya, sure Read some Wikipedia ,than u would know that u've written bullshit
Wilno is a great example of polish culture!! Before the I war there are about 1,8% of lithuanians living in Wilno,
before II war only 0,8%
So what are you fucking about?? Wilno Polish again !!! the title of one's lithuanians newspapers some time ago. You wild people who murdeured Polish people in ponary forest in 1939. I split at ur faces
REMEMBER THAT IF THE II WAR DID NOT OCCUR WILNO, WOULD STAY IN POLAND
TheBloody071 10 months ago
@TheBloody071 If ww2 would not occur Vilnius would still be Lithuania . Why? some random reasons
1. Polish will learn history for once and return it.
2. Usa will invade Poland and liberate Vilnius
3. Stalin would take over it and turn it Lithuanian
4. Lithuanians will take it by force.
5. Cows will go to mars.
eiffelTowerMan 9 months ago
@eiffelTowerMan "If ww2 would not occur Vilnius would still be Lithuanian" no because before II war this city belonged to Poland. You are so dumb
TheBloody071 9 months ago
@TheBloody071 I meant that Vilnius will not remain in Polish control for long
eiffelTowerMan 9 months ago
@Repter1961First of all Wilno was founded by Slavs, archeological digs confirmed it. So what that some duke of yours wrote in some document some line about it when it still was a Slavic settlement? The Grand Duchy of Lithuania was also a Slavic state with 90% of Slavic majority, the official language was Ruthenian and later Polish and Latin, not Baltic gibberish. And finally the towns’ populations were Polish and Jewish, the elites were all Polish. There were no Balts,so stop fantasizing
panslavic 9 months ago
@Repter1961
Without this settlers Lithuanians were in fact 2% minorty.
khulik 9 months ago