Mr. Quest - No Guns

[krutonsbproductions]

If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.

[FearlessORG]

interesting video



[fghacbs]

Guns dont kill people Chuck N. does!

[mrquest2010]

hey guys there is plenty more tracks like this on my album the best of solid vinyl on i tunes mr quest

[champ3660]

Wow, I don't understand why you would response this. Anyways you guys should forget about this here and listen to a real song that has real emotion. type in youtube search

FLOW - Deep live in the studio

the song they sing is One Hand in the Sky.

[bluay1]

your just some guy trying to rub off some popularity from Chi-city..........i bet you didn't even watch his full video.

Shallow much???

[rainman1344]

People dont kill people. Idiots kill people

[stevenskul]

@rainman1344 guns just help

[Contact40]

It's disrespectful to Chi City that you elected to use his video (where he was willing to show his feelings of personal loss) so selfishly. There is nothing in this video that explains your point of view, or even substantiates your claim that less guns would cause less violence. In my humble opinion, you owe him an apology for making a zero-content video and leeching off his popularity to get people to watch this garbage.

[Mortis1966]

Where is the No Rail Road Tie sign like the one used to beat that 16 year old to death in Chicago? GUNS DO NOT KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE DO!!!

[Jallohy]

I like it...

[mrdelaware12]

i will take you serious if you remove the song. lol

[wkeil1981]

guns dont kill people. people kill people

[haty24]

yeah, but i think the guns help, y'no? i dont think just yelling BANG is going to do much damage.

[jackca4]

actualy its the guns that kill the people u dum fuck

[Jakoavain]

I hope you got my point, my writing is really messy, sry 'bout that.

[JiubLink]

correction*

[JiubLink]

The rate of firearm deaths among kids under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)

[xTh3MaNHimSelFx]

ill never kill nobody ever!

[hacwind]

Never? Even if a depraved rapist has his sites set on your mother? I bet you'll wish you had the means to stop him should that dreadful day ever come.

[JiubLink]

I see the importance of debate, and its value, but I have little left to gain from taking your comments on board.

And I think there's something different about people who think they have the right to decide to take life, and people who don't see any benefit in murder. I would be one taking the side of the latter.

[hacwind]

Is the "murder" of a bacteria as detestable as the murder of a young girl? I say no.

Is the "murder" of a cow as detestable as the murder of a young girl? I say no.

Is the "murder" of a sex predator as detestable as the murder of a young girl? I say no. Sex crimes are far afield from stealing bread to feed one's family. They are a truly self-centered, parasitic act.

Could they potentially be reformed? Perhaps. Am I going to let my daughter get raped first so we can find out? Hell no.

[JiubLink]

I find your bacteria metaphor quite disturbing.

But I understand, you'd rather see her shot with her own gun. :D

[hacwind]

You keep defaulting to that. Do you really think that the number of people killed accidentally outweighs the number of people killed because they can't defend themselves?

[JiubLink]

America and Gun Violence

American children are more at risk from firearms than the children of any other industrialized nation. In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States. (Centers for Disease Control)

[JiubLink]

Guns in the Wrong Hands

Faulty records enable terrorists, illegal aliens and criminals to purchase guns. Over a two and a half-year period, at least 9,976 convicted felons and other illegal buyers in 46 states obtained guns because of inadequate records. (Broken Records, Americans for Gun Safety Foundation)

[hacwind]

One in five college girls in the United States will experience rape or attempted rape. Approximately 15.9 million students are enrolled in college. I can't find a breakdown by gender, so let's assume half are female. Then, 1.59 million college girls are affected by rape. As sad as your examples are, they pale in comparison, and I haven't even looked at muggings, home invasions, etc. Even the possibility of the victim being armed is enough to deter all but the most daring rapists.

[JiubLink]

The majority of girls are raped by people they already know, I doubt a gun would do much to stop it.

I understand what you're saying about empowering the population, but while it might prevent the crime in some cases, it won't eradicate crime, just push up the toll of deaths, accidental and defensive.

I just think killing machines shouldn't be that available. I happily admit guns are cool tho'. :)

[hacwind]

Rape is just a convenient example. The fact is that the riskier you make the commission of a crime, the less likely someone is to attempt it. Your "solution" to the problem of crime is nothing short of wishing for peace on Earth. Of course that is the best possible situation, but in the mean time, there are people who would love to profit by harming me. As one who wishes for peace, I must ensure that I am alive to promote it, even if it means having to take the life of a parasitic human being.

[JiubLink]

I think guns should be allowed so you Americans can defend yourself from your own Federal Government when they start mobilizing a civilian army.

[hacwind]

Sit and smile to yourself at your clever retort, but know that any government is capable of total control if its citizens cannot fight back. George Orwell is one of your own, after all.

[JiubLink]

I'd rather die defending myself than starving in a correct facility. :D

[hacwind]

Are you going to defend yourself with musical instruments and books?

[JiubLink]

The power of Love will assure me the moral victory.

[hacwind]

How very selfish of you. You'd let your family suffer rather than shoot a stranger that desires carnage. A moral victory, indeed.

[JiubLink]

If the stranger is attempting to enslave me I doubt it's carnage he wants.

But that's besides the point I was only kidding.

[hacwind]

I was only trying to convey the fact that the desire to protect is nobler than the desire to destroy, even if the end-result for both is the same.

[Jakoavain]

In the end, does it matter how nobler you are? It's all 'bout your ego, something you need to do, so you can say "I'm a noble guy, I'm a good guy". Just saying those things for yourself.

I understand what you're saying and it's all good, but that's one of the things that humans need to understand and get seperated from, destroy your egoes to as small as you can. :P

I'm trying to ! :)

[hacwind]

You clearly didn't read the entire thread (or did so and failed to comprehend it). The point is not that I feel the need to be nobler. The point is that we need a finer metric than what JiubLink proposes. He says "Killing is wrong in all cases." I say, "Killing for selfish gain is wrong. Killing to protect is noble (hence, permissible)."

[Jakoavain]

We are speaking the same, but in different points of view, I understand what was your point and all, I ain't trying to be smarter or anything. I'm just saying, that because people have this kinds of feelings, they make us do things that are slowing down the process... you know? If we wouldn't have so big egoes (ego) we wouldn't have feel of shame in every place, no need to turn down different kind of people, and feeling noble is one of the things, which in SOME cases is just.. not good.

[hacwind]

You're still not getting my point. I'm not concerned with how an action makes me FEEL. I will never find pleasure in taking a life. What I'm concerned with is what actions are PERMISSIBLE. In order to explore this, we have to think about motive. Killing for selfish gain is entirely different then killing for self-defense.

[Jakoavain]

I got your idea, but it seems you don't get mine. I'm talking 'bout ego :(

[hacwind]

"In the end, does it matter how nobler you are? It's all 'bout your ego, something you need to do, so you can say "I'm a noble guy, I'm a good guy". Just saying those things for yourself."

You accused me of being egotistical because I deem it nobler to kill for protection than to kill for gain. Either that, or you comment was completely out of context.

[Jakoavain]

I didn't mean that, I ment all humans, as a specie, thats how we work... and I think it's the mainreason for 90% of the shit in the world.

[hacwind]

I agree with you, but I think your meaning was lost in your word choice.

[Jakoavain]

And now I can agree with you! :) It's a shame, that too many times, I say things too raw and nobody gets my point of view :D

[hacwind]

How do you propose to take away guns? With laws? Then you take away guns from the people who obey the law - the very people that wouldn't use them for violence. Projecting your feelings onto the weapon is not going to bring about any real solution.

[wade929]

i agree with you 107%. that's how it is. gun laws only harm the law abiding citizens.

[JiubLink]

Take away all guns, everywhere, and replace them with musical instruments and books.

[hacwind]

1. You can't take away all guns. You can only take them away from citizens who will give them up - the very people that aren't going to misuse them in the first place.

2. If you could take away guns, people would start using swords. Addressing a particular weapon is NOT going to solve the problem of violence. You're a fool for thinking so.

[JiubLink]

I never said that, so I'd call you the fool for making assumptions.

I'm not talking about realism, I'm talking about an unachievable ideal we will never realise but should always aspire to.

Guns are primitive pieces of shit that we don't need anymore and tho' they are amazing craftmenship and iconic, we need to give up our fascination with their corruption. You have a good point, but guns give too much power to anyone dumb enough to pick one up.

[hacwind]

Suppose we do as you claim. Do you think that will solve the problem? Will the absence of weapons implies the absence of violence? Certainly not.

[JiubLink]

Solve the problem of violence? Of course not.

Will it stop people being shot? yes, both intentionally and accidentally.

The bottom line is simple: We are better off without guns and should keep a few only case some hostile aliens arrive.

[hacwind]

1. I'd rather be shot dead than mangled by my aggressor's bare hands.

2. Knowing that your target is armed is a deterrent to violent crime.

3. Keep "a few" for hostile aliens? You must be joking.

[JiubLink]

Only nobody gets mangled to death by bare hands by accident.... but maybe you have a point... 0 people have been killed by hand since guns were invented.

" Knowing that your target is armed is a deterrent to violent crime."

This comment makes no sense to me please enlighten me.

And yes I'm kidding about the "few" guns incase of aliens. If aliens come we'll need loads!

*Proof read for sarcasm*

[hacwind]

"Knowing that your target is armed is a deterrent to violent crime."

A predator today sees a small-framed college girl walking home alone at night. What's to stop him from doing anything he wants? Pepper spray at worst. He'll take his chances.

A predator living in a city with concealed carry sees a small-framed college girl walking home alone at night. There's a very real chance that she will be able to end his life if he threatens her. Perhaps he'd be well-advised to leave her alone.

[JiubLink]

So guns are a good idea because it means you can defend yourself.

Only regular people don't carry guns around in their handbags, and even if they did, unless he comes from 50 yards shouting "Get your gun out" I doubt there's alot she can do to stop him then. Chances are if she has a gun he'll take it off her.

Even knives, in London there's a massive number of people who are stabbed with their own knives using them in defence.

[hacwind]

It's a matter of risk vs. reward.

The reward for a rapist is committing his crime.

The risk now, is minimal. There's a small probability that he will get caught, and that's about it.

If the victim is potentially armed, the risk has now increased substantially. If there's even a small chance of death (arguably the greatest risk possible), the rapist will surely think twice.

I've been focusing on rape as an example, but let's not forget home invasion, car-jacking, etc.

[illplayguitar4u]

i honestly love the idea to. but it aint hatnin

[jacobe3579]

@JiubLink ew ten we would have to use chopping weapons and that would be nasty