in the wild when something like this would scare a horse running away would be the natural instinct. this exercise is going to give this horse more courage. the people that are saying rude things can you honestly say that you would have just let go of the reins and let yourself fall off? no. and from what i saw she wasnt even pulling on the horses mouth that hard! unless you can give a video response of you doing any better than just dont post rude comments.
Judging from the gear on this horse and a bit that is hurting its mouth to force the head into the unnatural position of a show horse to ride around in boring circles, inside, I say his bucking is in frustration to his discomfort, not the bag. Pulling back hard on both reins doesn't stop a bucky horse. A one rein stop does. How about seeing how he does with a rope halter in wide open field.
@ClarkieCapeCod How about learning something about the training you are criticizing before opening your mouth. People who stand to make a lot of money by convincing you that you need THEIR gear to be nice to your horse will tell you all sorts of lies about bits and "head sets" This horse is in a simple snaffle D-ring and is moving quite comfortably in a natural posture. Different conformation makes horses comfortable in different postures. This horse is fine.
@Historybuff960 WOW!! you are so rude and have NO clue what your talking about, and you even have a playlist for a bad horsemanship? Well this woman is a trainer and is doing everything right in the horsemanship world and in the english world, she is correct and you however have a rude ass mouth you should learn your place and apperenly how to ride!
Loved the other video, and amazed at your stick-to-it-ness. :) My horse, three year old, seems absolutely fine with anything I deliberately introduce, but a random piece rag on the rail or lord forbid a horse glimpses in the outdoor arena and its all over. I created a barrel bear out of a skin I had and it may has well have been a log in the arena...he was fine. Put a jingle bell on his saddle and hang on. Random lol
now that I see this video I'm really curious as to why the horse spooked on the other one. He seems fine here. Did anyone try and wave plastic bags over his neck and head before? I found that sometimes they are fine with stuff hovering everywhere xcept above their heads. I usually tie the stuff to a long stick so I can be out of harm's reach when testing in-hand.
It's funny, If I'd seen this video before I wouldn't have been so relaxed when I started wearing my huge plastic poncho on windy days
You did an awesome job staying on! I got thrown off into a wall 5ft just the other day, while trying to jump so i know the shock and adrenaline! You did awesome! may I am what the white sheet it for? lol sorry I am not sure!
OMG I think what she was trying to do or the group as their was another person with a colored plastic she went past was teaching desentising and shame on any of your for critising her she is at least taking the time to do this and shame on your from judging her riding ability how many of you judgemental people could have stayed on that horse. Good for you for taking the time to desentise your horse. Shame on you judgemental people that probably dont ride as good as this lady.
And it was going so well! I done this with my young TB, but put a small plastic bag on the stirrup iron and lunged him with it on. A bombproof horse is invaluable
You seem very reliant on your hands and you're leaning forward quite a lot. Try to have softer hands as well to prevent the horse from kinda nodding in and out of an outline. By the way what is the plastic? And purty pony! <3
It's so funny that one moment a horse will be okay with something then the next moment they're like "OMG! It's gonna EAT me!" My own horse is a pretty good steady eddie type, but he has to stare suspiciously at logs in the grass like they're going to leap out at him and bite him on the ankle. Makes me LOL. Good luck with this cute youngster.
you can still tell he doesn't like the plastic being on his back, if you watch his ears, for the most part they are pointed back towards the plastic and its catching his interest so if he really didn't mind about the plastic, he would of occasionally turned his ears backwards towards the noise the plastic made instead of being on edge the entire time.
some of the worlds greatest natural horsemanship trainers are not the most graceful riders so why pick on someones riding style. The horse looked quite relaxed at first and this is not a dressage test or does everyone go for a trail ride making sure there horse is working correctly,. as a professional dressage rider and having ridden for 34yrs i think people are making a big deal out of nothing just so they can have a good ole bitch at the one who posted the video, give it a rest already
when you desensitize you show the stimlus to the horse but when he shows signs of relaxxation and exceptance you take it away as the reward. that person is so dumb!
@HunterJumperLover82 yes very true im glad someone realizes this important point ! but at least she was trying and was a fairly good rider too..she might just be learning..but i hope she has an instructor there to help=)
its not harming the horse at all so i dont understand why some of you are making a big deal out of it. she teaching him not to spook. period. NOT HARMING HIM AT ALL!!
what i really want to know is what kind of situation would you ever be in that you would need your horse to allow you to ride with a giant piece of plastic?
@twcowboy40599 if you train your horse to stay calm in as many situations as possible it's more easy for him to stay calm when tehre is a really new situation.because you can never train every single situation but as most as possible.
@SandraJosefineNorit To me, it looks like she was just staying further forward to keep the horse 'pushing on', whilst he seems comfortable, he also seems pretty stubborn at the start of the video.
i do the exact same thing with my horse with the same size of plastic and when the horse went of it is not because the horse is scared it's just is a thing horses are flight animasl it could have been somthing completly diffrant it could have been a bird or a horse runing around the paddock so if enyone is saying it is the rider or the plastic u r wrong
People are all like you're doing it wrong your making the horse more scared NO if you've ever trained your horse like POLICE have to and have you ever seen police horses how WELL trained they are they do it the EXACT same way, just saying ;) * dont diss police men
I'm always surprised at all the 'Oh my god, you're so amazing. I would have fallen off.' kind of comments on videos of bucking horses, but this time I actually agree. Kudos for staying seated, I would have ended up getting thrown against a wall.
But i agree with jjclimb69. You might have wanted to end the training early while things were still relatively quiet and rewarded the horse then. Now it got spooked and only calmed down after getting rid of the plastic.
you should of realeased the pressure sooner than you did! thats the reason why he freaked out! when he didnt spook at it then you should of taken the pressure away!! then you wouldnt of had this problem!!!! think a little!!!
I don't think there is any blame on the rider...are you saying there was no gradual work here? It is obvious that she took very careful time getting him used to it because he was fine with it. Stop saying that she's a bad rider/trainer when most horses wouldn't stand for this.
@xHiiwp It's basically a desensitation to plastic. If you want your horse to spook less or be more laid back, you show them that things aren't going to hurt them by getting them used to the idea of it. Sometimes things just happen. Part of the territory.
@xHiiwp She's obviosuly training her horse not to be scared of the plastic; it helps the horse lay back. And, what makes him crazy... you saw how calm he was at the beginning.
Great Job. To other posters, if you stop every time the horse gets tense, then all they will learn is if they get tense, you stop. That will just teach the horse how to get out of things they dont particularly like. As an owner of "HOT" horses, being Arabians, you have to use these techniques to make a safe and sane horse. Again, Great job. Keep up the good work. Also, lovely, floaty movement on this horse.
(saw the short video too). kudos to you for staying on! that was amazing- not sure if I've ever seen a horse move *quite* like that, lol!! Just curious, how long did you spend on the ground with him and the plastic before mounting? I've done some ground work before, but haven't done anything like this yet! :-)
You are a really good rider for staying on your horse and not beating him for "misbehaving" as many sick people do when their horse bolts and flip out.
As a horse owner, I find our responsibility to make sure our horse are trained for the experiences they will have in the future. An that is what she did. Maybe it was too much for the horse and flipped out because of it. But she was doing the right thing. Training her horse to be a safe horse. Greetings
I thnk the horse just had to much adreliene to begin with, and in the second video it was a bit scared but I think it was more excited and happy to run all over the place and buck, in a nutshell, the horse needed to get its bucks out before the rider got on. Im not dogging the rider in anyway, she is a good rider.
I agree with jjclimb and kimsalabim. You were doing great, but towards the end there was too much tension, which defeats the purpose of the session. If there had been more walk-trot transitions and a slower pace it would've helped him associate the plastic with a more relaxed state of mind. Still, awesome job!!
the idea is good but at 3min19 when the horse went into trot , it was his idea to trot because of the plastic and u should have taken him back into walk again. Then I think you overdone it and should have stopped the session and try again the next day. I would have loved to see more rewarding and more walk to trot and back. There is too much tension with the riding. But u kept sitting on him while he was bucking etc.Good job! Respect!
you train certain horses like that to get rid of fears, it looks a bit cruel but it isn´t. for example horses used by the police get trained like that.
I'm doing something simaler for my firned. her horse is jsut a huge spook, and my horse is about as calm as it gets, so i ride on Jasper with jingle bells hooked to him, so when we ride together she gets used to noise^^ i may try the plastic thing to but, to the horses there plasic alredy means food snot something scary XD
you teach the horse to not be afraid of it, cause even if u don't think about it, so exposed environment for alot of things that have something to do with plastic, the sound, and everything. Once I was riding my ponie on the road when a car with a trailer passed me, with a big plastic protection on it, and then I was very happy that I'd teached her to not freak out when she heard a plastic sound!
aww i see, it does make sense we did that when we had youngsters to break in but we didnt ride whilst holding it! i've never really had a hacking problem like that i only ever pass occasional cars, horseboxes or tracters lol
it's good that you're at least trying to help with the fear, we had a horse that was afraid of going through bushes, so my friend covered him in branches and he got better with them.
Gradual exposure is the key to desensitization. When you 'flood' like this you run the serious risk of 'sensitizing' the horse to the stimulus which is what happened in the end. The horse was showing tension long before it took flight. You end up going back to square one with perhaps the horse becoming even more fearful than it was at first because you've shown it that' a tarp is frightening - that was the end result!
@jjclimb69 but sitll in most cases you don't have the effect of 'sensitzing' the hrose because I've seen this effect my own of couse at the beginning they flip then they have a calm phase then they flip again then when you continously do the training they don't flip at all anymore.
@jjclimb69 I did the same with my baby Leika, she's an amazing Cold-blood andalusia mixure, so you can imagine power and temper. I had the same effect at first with the flip out and calm periods but it gotten better and now she's lost all fear of plasic.
@jjclimb69 i dont think the horse was scared of the tarp. if it would the horse would have flipped out alot earlyer when it was on his neck and closer to his head. but you re right the horse was tensing up
@jjclimb69 That's a matter of opinion. If the horse was truely scared of the tarp he would have freaked much sooner, and looking at all of this you can't say there wasn't gradual exposure, it looks like she took a long time to get him to allow this, most horses would not be ok with this. There are many reasons he could have freaked but I don't think that she was at fault here.
@jjclimb69 I'm fairly certain it was not the trap he was sick of. Did you notice how hard the riders hands were? I'm positive he was sick of her hanging on him by the end of it. Her hands were way worse one handed because she was unbalanced and was really pulling on him. I had a horse that would freak out if I hung on his mouth for too long and it he responded the same.
@cseasnow Her hands are forgiving and honest on the horse's mouth. Once the horse gave to the pressure of the bit the pressure was released. Its a very common and well used method of training and one I used myself with great success. Simply because you are not well rounded in every method of training does not give you the right to blatantly insult someone else's riding.
@jjclimb69 Any horse will show slight tension when a large, unknown, loud thing is rubbed all around them. Thats the POINT of the exercise. The horse is actually working nicely prior to the outburst with very little tension.
@merager Of course there will be some tension when introducing frightening stimuli. However, when the fear response is activated to this extent it over-rides any learning. Good trainers know when to stop 'gradual exposure' before tension turns to fear and thus activates the flight response. When the flight response is activated and the horse flees it fortifies [in the horses mind] that the tarp is truely frightening. That's not the POINT of the exercise.
@merager By the way, if you know anything about horse physiology, you'll know that the horse has a blind spot to the rear. The width of the blind spot is determined by the horse's head carriage and movement. This type of work therefore, will naturally provoke the flight response more than other types of work, as objects may 'suddenly' appear, disappear and reappear! The flight response must be contained by slowing the feet otherwise it REINFORCES just how frightening an object truely is.
@jjclimb69 Actually no the object is large enough that it is always in view in one way or another. So sorry, your random babbling really isn't cutting it for me. The point of the exercise is to get the horse used to the object, OBVIOUSLY the horse will fear it at first, but with CONTINUOUS exposure to said object will gradually show the horse its not a big deal. Furthermore can you honestly tell me that you don't think she's exposed the horse to the tarp prior to this video? Common sense, use it
@merager-if the horse 'fears it at first' then it shouldn't have bolted at the end. You've said that continuous exposure should lessen fear-but that didn't happen did it? In fact, its not "Continuous exposure" its GRADUAL exposure-there is a difference! I think you've showed your ignorance as continuous exposure can run into flooding which is what happened here! Why have you mentioned prior exposure-its irrelevant. Common sense will tell you these things because the outcome was not successful.
@jjclimb69 Again you throw words out to make yourself sound intelligent when in fact you're oh, so wrong. What does prior exposure have to do with it? It has EVERYTHING to do with it and it's in no way irrelevant. The horse has had gradual and continuous exposure to the tarp lessening the shock of seeing the object. The outcome may not have been successful this time, but if she keeps at it I have no doubt that it will be successful. Only quitters will give up, and you sound like a quitter.
You are very defensive! Quitting-childish to bring to the debate! You don't really understand the concepts being used here. There is no such thing as 'continuous exposure' and even if there was how on earth would it work along side gradual exposure- they are pole opposites! Gradual exposure is about little/often & knowing when to stop so as not to activate the flight response. All training sessions should set the horse up for success as the trainer doesn't 'flood'.
@jjclimb69 Incorrect yet again. Continuous exposure works by keeping the pressure of the object on until the horse responds by relaxing or showing submission. You obviously gradually expose originally, but continuously put pressure after. By exposing a horse to an object and continuously putting it away, as your gradual way denotes, as if it's bad you're telling the horse that when he's freaked out the object goes away. You're then teaching him that it's on to freak out over something new.
I don't think you understand how gradual exposure works-The horse should be exposed to lower thresholds of fear that GRADULLY increases in stages, so that the horse shows habituation at each level, until the fear response FULLY subsides. From what you've said you don't understand how habitutation works or how to recognise the signs in horses.By blindly 'keeping the pressure on' (flooding) there are real dangers that once fear response is activated its hard to get rid of. Clippers!!
When you talk about the 'object being put away when he's freaking out' raising an important issue & one to do with reinforcement of behaviour. By removing a stimuli you may be reinforcing the behaviour that has just occured. If the 'pressure is kept on' & the horse takes flight/freaks out & you're forced to remove the stimuli, this fearful behaviour is rewarded/reinforced. The stimuli needs to be removed before the fear escalates. If the 'pressure' is kept on it may reinforce unwanted behaviour.
@jjclimb69 No, that is entirely opposite of anything I teach a horse. If a horse takes flight because of an object and you let off the pressure the horse learns that by running away it gets a release. NOT something you want a horse to do, because now you just taught it, when in doubt, run. If the response is flee, you keep the pressure until the horse stops, then release. It is then clear that the release comes when they're quiet, not when you run. By releasing at the spook, you ruin the horse.
@jjclimb69 And this conversation has gotten entirely pointless as you obviously have no idea what you're talking about and simply pull information from anywhere to make a point that has no foundation. I find it pointless to continue a conversation with a highly misinformed individual.
Are you deliberately misinterpreting my response just to be argumentative? No where did I state that if a horse takes flight should you let it carry on! You seem unable to grasp the main point in a text! When densensitizing/habituating it shouldn't reach the point where the horse takes flight! It means the rider has not read the signs. When a horse takes flights its vitally important that the feet are slowed with the horse's focus kept on the frightening stimuli so it learns its not frightening.
If you were recommended to me to train/ride a horse I would question the treatment it would receive in your hands, from the anwers you have given. You show little understanding of the science behind how horses learn & their cognition. I would seriously worry that the horse would end up fearful and more sensitized than before it went to you as your approach doesn't appear to be ethical.
@jjclimb69 Funny, I could say the same thing about you. Your lack of knowledge is ever so clear. I'm surprised you can tell the difference between the front and hind end of a horse, let alone how to work past an issue. And apparently my methods work because I have many successful horses is every ring, all winning and championing in everything they do. I'd suggest you learn how to work around a horse before you ruin one with your ignorant statements. Good day.
Remember that your customers may read your comments & decide they wouldn't send their horse to you. I think you should be more willing to learn from others as your vids don't show a professional! Your horses don't work correctly and your position is poor. They are strung out, long, on the forehand, no outline, not connected or showing any engagement/not tracking up. You're infront of the verticle pushing your weight over their shoulders, no contact, land heavy in the saddle due to unstable leg!
@Harry67823 Actually I don't, thanks for your concern. I'd suggest you'd brush up on the current hunter ring practices before you attempt a pathetic critique again. All my horses work from behind in a hunter frame. The IDEA is to not have contact, hun. That is the way of the current hunter horse. Little to no contact showing the ability of the horse. And because you're not able to grasp that concept is why you think the way you do. Have fun wallowing in ignorance.
I would strongly recommend that you read a bit more about horse evolution, their cognition and so on. I think you should also have a look at what negative/positive reinforcement is and then look at Classical conditioning. Andrew McClean of the Australian Equine Behavioural Centre has a brill website and has published a few books/DVD. It's a scientific approach to horse training and uses clear definitions.
@jjclimb69 You can know everything there is to know about horse cognition, and it still won't make you a good rider. This person obviously knows and trusts their horse. The horse is also relaxed, so stop whining about things you don't understand.
@jjclimb69 And no, not childish, simply pointing out the obvious. If you put the object away you're quitting. Quitters never accomplish anything. So instead of taking a passive approach to training, assert yourself as the dominant party and get a result. Passive trainers who continuously poke at a horse, or 'gradually expose' never get anywhere. If you want the horse to know the object is not a big deal then you need a work with the object as if it isn't a big deal, not quit and put it away.
With gradual exposure to frightening stimuli, the level/intensity is increased with each exposure. The horse may still show small amounts of fear at each level but it's how much & what it does with it's feet that's important. If it takes flight it means that the trainer has pushed it too far & has not recognised the right moment to stop. When a horse is fearfull of an object it's really important not to let the horse turn around/flee as this confirms that the object/stimuli is frightening.
@merager Actually, I agree with you only partially. There are feaer memories and positively implanted memories. Since horses are prey animals, fear memories are very easy to implant and extremely difficult to override. What happened with the "flip out" was the unintended implantation of a fear memory, and those are ALWAYS harder to remove than to create. "Animals make us human" is a brilliant read. Regardless, that is some VERY good riding in the video and we should all be impressed! :)
@jjclimb69 You actually need to not cater to your horses fears. Things will disappear and reappear from a horses' blind spot not matter what. You need to make sure they don't spook when that happens in a controlled environment, such as in this video, to help ensure it doesn't spook in non-controlled environments. The horse may not have freaked out at the plastic, as it seems fairly relaxed with it about. Something else probably cause the horse to react so dramatically.
@S0XF0X You WORK WITH the flight & fear response as it's the most difficult learnt response to extinguish. Through gradual exposure a horse will habituate (get used to) the stimuli & it will no longer be fearful of it. A good trainer knows when to stop the training & not provoke a full flight response as this is not desirable as it can make the horse MORE sensitised/fearful. I think any good horseman can see that it took flight due to the tarp.
@jjclimb69 I'd like to point out that we don't know how long this rider has been working with her horse on its fear of plastic. For all we could know, they've been working together for a year. Maybe it didn't spook at the plastic. Maybe it saw something else.
@jjclimb69 and how do you know she hadn't worked with the horse before hand with the tarp? i'm sure she didn't just hop up on the horse with a tarp and he didn't show any signs of fear before he spooked - he wasn't shying and side stepping or backing up or bolting, he wasn't pulling at the bit, his neck was relaxed. just because the horse isn't lifeless doesn't mean he was exhibiting signs of fear.
I have to disagree- I think the horse WAS showing signs of tension long before it took flight. I think that the rider sat well but there was luck on her part as the tarp fell off. I wouldn't FIX/TIE anything to a horse that showed the SLIGHTEST bit of tension [as this horse did] - it means that it is not fully desensitised/ habituated to the stimulus and therefore, can be unpredictable & take flight. This situation was made worse because the horse couldn't get away from it.
@jjclimb69 Finally a sensible comment ! There's another video of the same horse freaking out again for no (known) reason and wondered if it was AFTER this event ?
@nags2bitches it was a continuation of this video. and all horses are unpredictable. because they have a sense of self just like you and I. she has worked with this horse before this event on desensitizing the horse and has obviously done so with other horses as she didn't tie it to him or hold onto it when the horse bolted. nothing will tell us why that horse bolted since he had been doing so well before hand as you can see in this video. all i can say is it was a bad run for both of them.
@LittleMustangMare I know things like this happen all the time & can be very unexpected ,it's happened to me;but I think jjclimbs comment on flooding is very apropriate & something most horse owners are unaware of.
@nags2bitches I see where you are coming from, but i've seen flooded horses and i've seen trained and desensitized horses, and there is only one difference between them if you ask me a flooded horse tends to keep his hind quarters stiff and doesn't trot well he will either want to walk or run no in between since as most people know in the wild horses only trot or jog as foals and yearling's or when they are prancing about for mares. in this case i'd say it was just a bad run he's not flooded
@LittleMustangMare What ?????? Most people DON'T know that as it's rubbish. arkive.org/przewalskis-horse/equus-ferus-przewalskii/video-06.html
And take another look at the pre-bucking vid and take note of the fact the horse virtually has his tail tucked between his legs , he is NOT happy . The session should've ended here not continued into the second video where the horror of it all finally overcame him.
@nags2bitches and, it wasn't a continuation of this video that I was talking about in my first post it was a different video that I saw with a different rider.
@nags2bitches i never said he was happy i just said he wasn't flooded. and horses DON'T trot unless in a safe inviroment i.e prancing about fillies and goofing off a foals and yearlings i guess it did sound/read like i was limiting it to these things but i mean if a horse doesn't feel safe he's not going to prance about he's going to make a run for it so a flooded horse tends not to trot unless its head is tucked so tightly to its chest that it can't move faster .which would over flex the horse
@LittleMustangMare I guess you didnt watch the video I linked to of takhis trotting ? Your comment that horses don't trot is nonsensical ; the horse will do whatever it is told untill it can't bear it any longer. Basically the horse was asked to put up with it for too long; he should've been given a break a lot sooner and then hopefully he wouldn't have freaked out.
@LittleMustangMare A flooded horse can apear to be totally calm & happy but in fact is simply overwhelmed - stunned like a rabbit in head-lights. All of a sudden he/she may explode. That's why desensitising should be literally one step at a time a few seconds at a time & never taken for granted that the horse is ok
@jjclimb69 dont you think she has probably done more work with the horse than just getting on him/her with a large piece of plastic?
She is clearly a compitant rider and the horse does not show sings of tension as he/she is moving at a comfortable pace with ears relaxed and litening to his/her enviroment. If he/she was scared he/she would have bolted alot sooner. So what, horses have there moments and you dont know what parctice she has done prvious to this exersize
I think you over did it! Honestly, he gave you so many signs of tension. He wouldn't have done all this is you stopped half way.
Here, it may look peaceful to some, but he's behind your leg, your contact is getting worse by second, he starts opening his mouth and eludes you. You must learn to stop when a horse stops paying attention to you and go back to basic training until he's yours again. Congrats for staying on lol
Wow, you guys make quite a beautiful pair! I know that I'm not more experianced than you, but I was wondering whether the reason your horse spooked was because the plastic went abover his/her head? I didn't see you do as much work like that before the flip, if it wasn't do you know what it was? Well done though, you guys look beautiful together!
I don't understand why the constant pressure on the horses mouth? What is the purpose of that? Does that not make the horse have a hard mouth? Great rider. Obviously experienced and understand what they are doing.
It may appear that there is constant pressure there, but in fact this is just a light 'contact'. A steady contact is necessary to teach the horse the correct headset, which in turn allows them to move 'through' themselves properly, and encourages good balance and elasticity. And yes, I agree, this is one VERY skilled saddle-sitter! haha!
You obviously don't understand how to adapt your riding when training youngsters, if she was to sit on his back in the canter she would no doubt hollow his back and discourage the hind leg from stepping under , you need to keep a horse in front of your leg whilst doing these exercises and into an elastic condact which isn't condusive to sitting upright and onto a young horses back!
For the people saying you could hurt yourself by doing that, im not trying to be rude but you could end up in the hospital just on the horse itself it has nothing to do with weather or not shes holding plastic because the horse has a mind of its own. You could end up in the hospital standing near one, never mind riding one.
I think it was the continuous pressure that set her off, more approach and retreat would have helped, plus cantering put her into flight mode. She's a sweety and you're a very nice rider.
try to sit up taller in trot, and in the canter, try to sit down in the saddle and relax, it will make it easier to sit the canter. because not trying to be rude please dont take this offensively but you are bouncing out of the saddle at the canter.
Nikki are you mad? or a novice, Not being rude but she is obviously riding a youngster or novice horse which maybe you never have and she is riding with a balanced forward seat in the trot and the canter which is exactly right!!
well if she sat back maybe it would be easier o control the horse! im not saying like leaning back but sitting down in the canter and keeping her back straight!! and i have ridden a novice horse, thank u very much!!
unless u are guna b wearing a plastic jacket when u are riding which i dnt think u will i just dnt think this is a safe way for u or the horse to b trained, 1 the horse would b so nervous why teach it like that u out ur self into the horses shoes for a min, poor thing would b hating it im sure and its so unsafe if u hurt urself or even end up in hospital with a brain injry
yeah she could have gotten hurt. But shes trying to teach the horse to not be afraid of plastic...we did the same thing with my TB cause he would jump at the sound of it. I think its extremly smart to ride with it. hes indoors..cant do too much damage :)
in the wild when something like this would scare a horse running away would be the natural instinct. this exercise is going to give this horse more courage. the people that are saying rude things can you honestly say that you would have just let go of the reins and let yourself fall off? no. and from what i saw she wasnt even pulling on the horses mouth that hard! unless you can give a video response of you doing any better than just dont post rude comments.
kaysharenee 1 day ago
good job! And ignore those who said it wasn't
auroraborealis2000 2 weeks ago
Judging from the gear on this horse and a bit that is hurting its mouth to force the head into the unnatural position of a show horse to ride around in boring circles, inside, I say his bucking is in frustration to his discomfort, not the bag. Pulling back hard on both reins doesn't stop a bucky horse. A one rein stop does. How about seeing how he does with a rope halter in wide open field.
ClarkieCapeCod 3 weeks ago
@ClarkieCapeCod How about learning something about the training you are criticizing before opening your mouth. People who stand to make a lot of money by convincing you that you need THEIR gear to be nice to your horse will tell you all sorts of lies about bits and "head sets" This horse is in a simple snaffle D-ring and is moving quite comfortably in a natural posture. Different conformation makes horses comfortable in different postures. This horse is fine.
jmdnarri 2 days ago
Let the reins out you freaking idiot thats what is pissing off the horse!
Historybuff960 1 month ago in playlist Bad Horsemanship
@Historybuff960 WOW!! you are so rude and have NO clue what your talking about, and you even have a playlist for a bad horsemanship? Well this woman is a trainer and is doing everything right in the horsemanship world and in the english world, she is correct and you however have a rude ass mouth you should learn your place and apperenly how to ride!
myartfuldodger1 1 month ago in playlist More videos from HorseTrainer79
Damn my horse would never be able to do that! He would freak out and throw me off the second he would see the plastic! Nice work!
DanishAirways 2 months ago
Loved the other video, and amazed at your stick-to-it-ness. :) My horse, three year old, seems absolutely fine with anything I deliberately introduce, but a random piece rag on the rail or lord forbid a horse glimpses in the outdoor arena and its all over. I created a barrel bear out of a skin I had and it may has well have been a log in the arena...he was fine. Put a jingle bell on his saddle and hang on. Random lol
kalikacre 2 months ago
now that I see this video I'm really curious as to why the horse spooked on the other one. He seems fine here. Did anyone try and wave plastic bags over his neck and head before? I found that sometimes they are fine with stuff hovering everywhere xcept above their heads. I usually tie the stuff to a long stick so I can be out of harm's reach when testing in-hand.
It's funny, If I'd seen this video before I wouldn't have been so relaxed when I started wearing my huge plastic poncho on windy days
DJBelbe 2 months ago
You did an awesome job staying on! I got thrown off into a wall 5ft just the other day, while trying to jump so i know the shock and adrenaline! You did awesome! may I am what the white sheet it for? lol sorry I am not sure!
ringfighter222 3 months ago
OMG I think what she was trying to do or the group as their was another person with a colored plastic she went past was teaching desentising and shame on any of your for critising her she is at least taking the time to do this and shame on your from judging her riding ability how many of you judgemental people could have stayed on that horse. Good for you for taking the time to desentise your horse. Shame on you judgemental people that probably dont ride as good as this lady.
mgrullagirl 4 months ago
And it was going so well! I done this with my young TB, but put a small plastic bag on the stirrup iron and lunged him with it on. A bombproof horse is invaluable
hermythewormy 5 months ago
What did you expect? It's a horse not a robot. Why the hell would you want a plastic bag forced on your back? urgh
sheerindulgence 6 months ago
You seem very reliant on your hands and you're leaning forward quite a lot. Try to have softer hands as well to prevent the horse from kinda nodding in and out of an outline. By the way what is the plastic? And purty pony! <3
MissVictoriaBrookes 6 months ago
Why the plastic??
ollyfun 6 months ago
y do u have the bag
jattived 7 months ago
It's so funny that one moment a horse will be okay with something then the next moment they're like "OMG! It's gonna EAT me!" My own horse is a pretty good steady eddie type, but he has to stare suspiciously at logs in the grass like they're going to leap out at him and bite him on the ankle. Makes me LOL. Good luck with this cute youngster.
kaylivel 7 months ago
you can still tell he doesn't like the plastic being on his back, if you watch his ears, for the most part they are pointed back towards the plastic and its catching his interest so if he really didn't mind about the plastic, he would of occasionally turned his ears backwards towards the noise the plastic made instead of being on edge the entire time.
OctoberSky98 7 months ago
some of the worlds greatest natural horsemanship trainers are not the most graceful riders so why pick on someones riding style. The horse looked quite relaxed at first and this is not a dressage test or does everyone go for a trail ride making sure there horse is working correctly,. as a professional dressage rider and having ridden for 34yrs i think people are making a big deal out of nothing just so they can have a good ole bitch at the one who posted the video, give it a rest already
justjeanify 7 months ago
your horse is beautiful thats all i have to say (:
nyrangerxo98 7 months ago
when you desensitize you show the stimlus to the horse but when he shows signs of relaxxation and exceptance you take it away as the reward. that person is so dumb!
HunterJumperLover82 8 months ago
@HunterJumperLover82 yes very true im glad someone realizes this important point ! but at least she was trying and was a fairly good rider too..she might just be learning..but i hope she has an instructor there to help=)
lakota123max 6 months ago
@lakota123max I hope so too :)
HunterJumperLover82 6 months ago
I would have done it differently like using slight exposure first, but she is NOT hurting him in anyway.
HorseWishList 10 months ago
its not harming the horse at all so i dont understand why some of you are making a big deal out of it. she teaching him not to spook. period. NOT HARMING HIM AT ALL!!
peytonmorrow1 10 months ago
what i really want to know is what kind of situation would you ever be in that you would need your horse to allow you to ride with a giant piece of plastic?
twcowboy40599 10 months ago
@twcowboy40599 if you train your horse to stay calm in as many situations as possible it's more easy for him to stay calm when tehre is a really new situation.because you can never train every single situation but as most as possible.
stoeberhund 10 months ago
You need to lean more back :-) but beautifull.
SandraJosefineNorit 1 year ago
@SandraJosefineNorit To me, it looks like she was just staying further forward to keep the horse 'pushing on', whilst he seems comfortable, he also seems pretty stubborn at the start of the video.
Experiment641 1 year ago
i do the exact same thing with my horse with the same size of plastic and when the horse went of it is not because the horse is scared it's just is a thing horses are flight animasl it could have been somthing completly diffrant it could have been a bird or a horse runing around the paddock so if enyone is saying it is the rider or the plastic u r wrong
makala291 1 year ago 3
People are all like you're doing it wrong your making the horse more scared NO if you've ever trained your horse like POLICE have to and have you ever seen police horses how WELL trained they are they do it the EXACT same way, just saying ;) * dont diss police men
fonjadidi 1 year ago 3
I've seen the police training their horses over here in a similar way :D
RedHyuuga 1 year ago
I'm always surprised at all the 'Oh my god, you're so amazing. I would have fallen off.' kind of comments on videos of bucking horses, but this time I actually agree. Kudos for staying seated, I would have ended up getting thrown against a wall.
But i agree with jjclimb69. You might have wanted to end the training early while things were still relatively quiet and rewarded the horse then. Now it got spooked and only calmed down after getting rid of the plastic.
animato 1 year ago
you should of realeased the pressure sooner than you did! thats the reason why he freaked out! when he didnt spook at it then you should of taken the pressure away!! then you wouldnt of had this problem!!!! think a little!!!
MsKenzie999 1 year ago
who is riding?
newmoon1265 1 year ago
Haha it's like he just at that moment realized he didn't like it.. Props for staying on though! I know how hard it is to desensatize horses!
kickincait 1 year ago
I don't think there is any blame on the rider...are you saying there was no gradual work here? It is obvious that she took very careful time getting him used to it because he was fine with it. Stop saying that she's a bad rider/trainer when most horses wouldn't stand for this.
PonyRider4ever 1 year ago
I am in love with that trot soo beautiful.
SevenEleven901 1 year ago
Why are you doing that with that stupid white thing? when he's crazy with ride. ;s
xHiiwp 1 year ago
@xHiiwp It's basically a desensitation to plastic. If you want your horse to spook less or be more laid back, you show them that things aren't going to hurt them by getting them used to the idea of it. Sometimes things just happen. Part of the territory.
Woozer21507 1 year ago
@Woozer21507 Allright, i get it.
xHiiwp 1 year ago
@xHiiwp She's obviosuly training her horse not to be scared of the plastic; it helps the horse lay back. And, what makes him crazy... you saw how calm he was at the beginning.
BickleighJoker 1 year ago
@BickleighJoker Oh yes, your right. Thanks.
xHiiwp 1 year ago
What is the music in the background called? It's beautiful :)
dark0815 1 year ago
@dark0815 It's something by Enya. I think it might be like "A Long Way to Go" or something like that. I don't know. I just know the artist.
Woozer21507 1 year ago
@Woozer21507 Long long journey? Nah that's not it I don't think, I love Enya but I don't think it is Enya, I love the song though :(
dark0815 1 year ago
informed comment by jjclimb69 - i will consider this in my training...thank you
and HorseTrainer79 has a great seat!
MortishaPoppins 1 year ago
Great Job. To other posters, if you stop every time the horse gets tense, then all they will learn is if they get tense, you stop. That will just teach the horse how to get out of things they dont particularly like. As an owner of "HOT" horses, being Arabians, you have to use these techniques to make a safe and sane horse. Again, Great job. Keep up the good work. Also, lovely, floaty movement on this horse.
lcrothers1968 1 year ago
(saw the short video too). kudos to you for staying on! that was amazing- not sure if I've ever seen a horse move *quite* like that, lol!! Just curious, how long did you spend on the ground with him and the plastic before mounting? I've done some ground work before, but haven't done anything like this yet! :-)
merryoxox 1 year ago
You are a really good rider for staying on your horse and not beating him for "misbehaving" as many sick people do when their horse bolts and flip out.
As a horse owner, I find our responsibility to make sure our horse are trained for the experiences they will have in the future. An that is what she did. Maybe it was too much for the horse and flipped out because of it. But she was doing the right thing. Training her horse to be a safe horse. Greetings
RavenBlake 1 year ago
that is a beautiful horse !
xxblazegirlxx 1 year ago
I thnk the horse just had to much adreliene to begin with, and in the second video it was a bit scared but I think it was more excited and happy to run all over the place and buck, in a nutshell, the horse needed to get its bucks out before the rider got on. Im not dogging the rider in anyway, she is a good rider.
boskox 1 year ago
I agree with jjclimb and kimsalabim. You were doing great, but towards the end there was too much tension, which defeats the purpose of the session. If there had been more walk-trot transitions and a slower pace it would've helped him associate the plastic with a more relaxed state of mind. Still, awesome job!!
TheHantard 1 year ago
gorgeous horse! great seat :)
bunnielicious 1 year ago
the idea is good but at 3min19 when the horse went into trot , it was his idea to trot because of the plastic and u should have taken him back into walk again. Then I think you overdone it and should have stopped the session and try again the next day. I would have loved to see more rewarding and more walk to trot and back. There is too much tension with the riding. But u kept sitting on him while he was bucking etc.Good job! Respect!
Kimsalabim74 1 year ago
wow! pretty horse!
familyluv2020 2 years ago
to desensitize him
sockysockssock 2 years ago
wow. why were you riding with the plastic? I just dont get that...
MegaBellaBee 2 years ago
you train certain horses like that to get rid of fears, it looks a bit cruel but it isn´t. for example horses used by the police get trained like that.
Misami2 2 years ago
@MegaBellaBee she is clearly trying to train him to be bombproof and to not spook at anything.
iloveriding96 1 year ago
@MegaBellaBee to spook train them. It's a common method, it's teaches them to not freak out around plastic.
RammsteinRoesli 1 year ago
He did very well with the plastic before he flipped out. Great job in hanging on and training him.
RoguePhoenix6 2 years ago
looks like a strong horse, can't be easy to ride?
HavEnGodJul 2 years ago
we do all of that stuff on the ground to our horses, before we ever get on.
Mdequifever 2 years ago
I'm doing something simaler for my firned. her horse is jsut a huge spook, and my horse is about as calm as it gets, so i ride on Jasper with jingle bells hooked to him, so when we ride together she gets used to noise^^ i may try the plastic thing to but, to the horses there plasic alredy means food snot something scary XD
chloegurl043 2 years ago
why were you riding with plastic bags to start with?
BringElyTheHorizon1 2 years ago
you teach the horse to not be afraid of it, cause even if u don't think about it, so exposed environment for alot of things that have something to do with plastic, the sound, and everything. Once I was riding my ponie on the road when a car with a trailer passed me, with a big plastic protection on it, and then I was very happy that I'd teached her to not freak out when she heard a plastic sound!
(sorry for my bad english)!
Beautifulhorsies 2 years ago
aww i see, it does make sense we did that when we had youngsters to break in but we didnt ride whilst holding it! i've never really had a hacking problem like that i only ever pass occasional cars, horseboxes or tracters lol
your english is fine xxx
BringElyTheHorizon1 2 years ago
@BringElyTheHorizon1 aw, thanks =)
xxx
Beautifulhorsies 2 years ago
wow, what a differance! shame he flipped at the end, i cant imagine how dissapointing that must feel =(
Horthaful 2 years ago
Wow! Flawless transition!
LuckyZoneOne2 2 years ago
it's good that you're at least trying to help with the fear, we had a horse that was afraid of going through bushes, so my friend covered him in branches and he got better with them.
EveDarkAngel666 2 years ago
Good comments Dicttattor! Totally agree!
jjclimb69 2 years ago
Gradual exposure is the key to desensitization. When you 'flood' like this you run the serious risk of 'sensitizing' the horse to the stimulus which is what happened in the end. The horse was showing tension long before it took flight. You end up going back to square one with perhaps the horse becoming even more fearful than it was at first because you've shown it that' a tarp is frightening - that was the end result!
jjclimb69 2 years ago 38
@jjclimb69 but sitll in most cases you don't have the effect of 'sensitzing' the hrose because I've seen this effect my own of couse at the beginning they flip then they have a calm phase then they flip again then when you continously do the training they don't flip at all anymore.
P0iS0N0UZ 1 year ago
@jjclimb69 I did the same with my baby Leika, she's an amazing Cold-blood andalusia mixure, so you can imagine power and temper. I had the same effect at first with the flip out and calm periods but it gotten better and now she's lost all fear of plasic.
P0iS0N0UZ 1 year ago
@jjclimb69 i dont think the horse was scared of the tarp. if it would the horse would have flipped out alot earlyer when it was on his neck and closer to his head. but you re right the horse was tensing up
ASBprincess101 1 year ago
@jjclimb69 That's a matter of opinion. If the horse was truely scared of the tarp he would have freaked much sooner, and looking at all of this you can't say there wasn't gradual exposure, it looks like she took a long time to get him to allow this, most horses would not be ok with this. There are many reasons he could have freaked but I don't think that she was at fault here.
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cseasnow 1 year ago
@jjclimb69 I'm fairly certain it was not the trap he was sick of. Did you notice how hard the riders hands were? I'm positive he was sick of her hanging on him by the end of it. Her hands were way worse one handed because she was unbalanced and was really pulling on him. I had a horse that would freak out if I hung on his mouth for too long and it he responded the same.
cseasnow 1 year ago
@cseasnow Her hands are forgiving and honest on the horse's mouth. Once the horse gave to the pressure of the bit the pressure was released. Its a very common and well used method of training and one I used myself with great success. Simply because you are not well rounded in every method of training does not give you the right to blatantly insult someone else's riding.
merager 1 year ago
@jjclimb69 Any horse will show slight tension when a large, unknown, loud thing is rubbed all around them. Thats the POINT of the exercise. The horse is actually working nicely prior to the outburst with very little tension.
merager 1 year ago
@merager Of course there will be some tension when introducing frightening stimuli. However, when the fear response is activated to this extent it over-rides any learning. Good trainers know when to stop 'gradual exposure' before tension turns to fear and thus activates the flight response. When the flight response is activated and the horse flees it fortifies [in the horses mind] that the tarp is truely frightening. That's not the POINT of the exercise.
jjclimb69 1 year ago
@merager By the way, if you know anything about horse physiology, you'll know that the horse has a blind spot to the rear. The width of the blind spot is determined by the horse's head carriage and movement. This type of work therefore, will naturally provoke the flight response more than other types of work, as objects may 'suddenly' appear, disappear and reappear! The flight response must be contained by slowing the feet otherwise it REINFORCES just how frightening an object truely is.
jjclimb69 1 year ago
@jjclimb69 Actually no the object is large enough that it is always in view in one way or another. So sorry, your random babbling really isn't cutting it for me. The point of the exercise is to get the horse used to the object, OBVIOUSLY the horse will fear it at first, but with CONTINUOUS exposure to said object will gradually show the horse its not a big deal. Furthermore can you honestly tell me that you don't think she's exposed the horse to the tarp prior to this video? Common sense, use it
merager 1 year ago 26
@merager-if the horse 'fears it at first' then it shouldn't have bolted at the end. You've said that continuous exposure should lessen fear-but that didn't happen did it? In fact, its not "Continuous exposure" its GRADUAL exposure-there is a difference! I think you've showed your ignorance as continuous exposure can run into flooding which is what happened here! Why have you mentioned prior exposure-its irrelevant. Common sense will tell you these things because the outcome was not successful.
jjclimb69 9 months ago
@jjclimb69 Again you throw words out to make yourself sound intelligent when in fact you're oh, so wrong. What does prior exposure have to do with it? It has EVERYTHING to do with it and it's in no way irrelevant. The horse has had gradual and continuous exposure to the tarp lessening the shock of seeing the object. The outcome may not have been successful this time, but if she keeps at it I have no doubt that it will be successful. Only quitters will give up, and you sound like a quitter.
merager 9 months ago
You are very defensive! Quitting-childish to bring to the debate! You don't really understand the concepts being used here. There is no such thing as 'continuous exposure' and even if there was how on earth would it work along side gradual exposure- they are pole opposites! Gradual exposure is about little/often & knowing when to stop so as not to activate the flight response. All training sessions should set the horse up for success as the trainer doesn't 'flood'.
jjclimb69 9 months ago
@jjclimb69 Incorrect yet again. Continuous exposure works by keeping the pressure of the object on until the horse responds by relaxing or showing submission. You obviously gradually expose originally, but continuously put pressure after. By exposing a horse to an object and continuously putting it away, as your gradual way denotes, as if it's bad you're telling the horse that when he's freaked out the object goes away. You're then teaching him that it's on to freak out over something new.
merager 9 months ago
I don't think you understand how gradual exposure works-The horse should be exposed to lower thresholds of fear that GRADULLY increases in stages, so that the horse shows habituation at each level, until the fear response FULLY subsides. From what you've said you don't understand how habitutation works or how to recognise the signs in horses.By blindly 'keeping the pressure on' (flooding) there are real dangers that once fear response is activated its hard to get rid of. Clippers!!
jjclimb69 9 months ago
When you talk about the 'object being put away when he's freaking out' raising an important issue & one to do with reinforcement of behaviour. By removing a stimuli you may be reinforcing the behaviour that has just occured. If the 'pressure is kept on' & the horse takes flight/freaks out & you're forced to remove the stimuli, this fearful behaviour is rewarded/reinforced. The stimuli needs to be removed before the fear escalates. If the 'pressure' is kept on it may reinforce unwanted behaviour.
jjclimb69 9 months ago
@jjclimb69 No, that is entirely opposite of anything I teach a horse. If a horse takes flight because of an object and you let off the pressure the horse learns that by running away it gets a release. NOT something you want a horse to do, because now you just taught it, when in doubt, run. If the response is flee, you keep the pressure until the horse stops, then release. It is then clear that the release comes when they're quiet, not when you run. By releasing at the spook, you ruin the horse.
merager 9 months ago
@jjclimb69 And this conversation has gotten entirely pointless as you obviously have no idea what you're talking about and simply pull information from anywhere to make a point that has no foundation. I find it pointless to continue a conversation with a highly misinformed individual.
merager 9 months ago
Are you deliberately misinterpreting my response just to be argumentative? No where did I state that if a horse takes flight should you let it carry on! You seem unable to grasp the main point in a text! When densensitizing/habituating it shouldn't reach the point where the horse takes flight! It means the rider has not read the signs. When a horse takes flights its vitally important that the feet are slowed with the horse's focus kept on the frightening stimuli so it learns its not frightening.
jjclimb69 9 months ago
If you were recommended to me to train/ride a horse I would question the treatment it would receive in your hands, from the anwers you have given. You show little understanding of the science behind how horses learn & their cognition. I would seriously worry that the horse would end up fearful and more sensitized than before it went to you as your approach doesn't appear to be ethical.
jjclimb69 9 months ago
@jjclimb69 Funny, I could say the same thing about you. Your lack of knowledge is ever so clear. I'm surprised you can tell the difference between the front and hind end of a horse, let alone how to work past an issue. And apparently my methods work because I have many successful horses is every ring, all winning and championing in everything they do. I'd suggest you learn how to work around a horse before you ruin one with your ignorant statements. Good day.
merager 9 months ago
Remember that your customers may read your comments & decide they wouldn't send their horse to you. I think you should be more willing to learn from others as your vids don't show a professional! Your horses don't work correctly and your position is poor. They are strung out, long, on the forehand, no outline, not connected or showing any engagement/not tracking up. You're infront of the verticle pushing your weight over their shoulders, no contact, land heavy in the saddle due to unstable leg!
Harry67823 9 months ago
@Harry67823 Actually I don't, thanks for your concern. I'd suggest you'd brush up on the current hunter ring practices before you attempt a pathetic critique again. All my horses work from behind in a hunter frame. The IDEA is to not have contact, hun. That is the way of the current hunter horse. Little to no contact showing the ability of the horse. And because you're not able to grasp that concept is why you think the way you do. Have fun wallowing in ignorance.
merager 8 months ago
@merager Right........which video, exactly, shows your horse/s working properly from behind?
Harry67823 8 months ago
@Harry67823 hehe awesome critique =) do u train horses btw?
lakota123max 6 months ago
I would strongly recommend that you read a bit more about horse evolution, their cognition and so on. I think you should also have a look at what negative/positive reinforcement is and then look at Classical conditioning. Andrew McClean of the Australian Equine Behavioural Centre has a brill website and has published a few books/DVD. It's a scientific approach to horse training and uses clear definitions.
jjclimb69 9 months ago
@jjclimb69 You can know everything there is to know about horse cognition, and it still won't make you a good rider. This person obviously knows and trusts their horse. The horse is also relaxed, so stop whining about things you don't understand.
facetiousbadger 4 days ago
@jjclimb69 And no, not childish, simply pointing out the obvious. If you put the object away you're quitting. Quitters never accomplish anything. So instead of taking a passive approach to training, assert yourself as the dominant party and get a result. Passive trainers who continuously poke at a horse, or 'gradually expose' never get anywhere. If you want the horse to know the object is not a big deal then you need a work with the object as if it isn't a big deal, not quit and put it away.
merager 9 months ago
With gradual exposure to frightening stimuli, the level/intensity is increased with each exposure. The horse may still show small amounts of fear at each level but it's how much & what it does with it's feet that's important. If it takes flight it means that the trainer has pushed it too far & has not recognised the right moment to stop. When a horse is fearfull of an object it's really important not to let the horse turn around/flee as this confirms that the object/stimuli is frightening.
jjclimb69 9 months ago
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@merager when you desensitize you show the stimlus to the horse but when he shows signs of relaxxation and exceptance you take it away as the reward
HunterJumperLover82 8 months ago
@merager Actually, I agree with you only partially. There are feaer memories and positively implanted memories. Since horses are prey animals, fear memories are very easy to implant and extremely difficult to override. What happened with the "flip out" was the unintended implantation of a fear memory, and those are ALWAYS harder to remove than to create. "Animals make us human" is a brilliant read. Regardless, that is some VERY good riding in the video and we should all be impressed! :)
Nizingur 1 week ago
@jjclimb69 You actually need to not cater to your horses fears. Things will disappear and reappear from a horses' blind spot not matter what. You need to make sure they don't spook when that happens in a controlled environment, such as in this video, to help ensure it doesn't spook in non-controlled environments. The horse may not have freaked out at the plastic, as it seems fairly relaxed with it about. Something else probably cause the horse to react so dramatically.
S0XF0X 1 year ago
@S0XF0X You WORK WITH the flight & fear response as it's the most difficult learnt response to extinguish. Through gradual exposure a horse will habituate (get used to) the stimuli & it will no longer be fearful of it. A good trainer knows when to stop the training & not provoke a full flight response as this is not desirable as it can make the horse MORE sensitised/fearful. I think any good horseman can see that it took flight due to the tarp.
jjclimb69 1 year ago
@jjclimb69 dude your not a stuck-up, know-it-all im sure they know alot of the stuff your saying already!
TheBessierocks 1 year ago
@jjclimb69 I'd like to point out that we don't know how long this rider has been working with her horse on its fear of plastic. For all we could know, they've been working together for a year. Maybe it didn't spook at the plastic. Maybe it saw something else.
Ravenfire385 1 year ago
@jjclimb69 and how do you know she hadn't worked with the horse before hand with the tarp? i'm sure she didn't just hop up on the horse with a tarp and he didn't show any signs of fear before he spooked - he wasn't shying and side stepping or backing up or bolting, he wasn't pulling at the bit, his neck was relaxed. just because the horse isn't lifeless doesn't mean he was exhibiting signs of fear.
SkoalFirePrincess 1 year ago 2
I have to disagree- I think the horse WAS showing signs of tension long before it took flight. I think that the rider sat well but there was luck on her part as the tarp fell off. I wouldn't FIX/TIE anything to a horse that showed the SLIGHTEST bit of tension [as this horse did] - it means that it is not fully desensitised/ habituated to the stimulus and therefore, can be unpredictable & take flight. This situation was made worse because the horse couldn't get away from it.
jjclimb69 1 year ago
@jjclimb69 Finally a sensible comment ! There's another video of the same horse freaking out again for no (known) reason and wondered if it was AFTER this event ?
nags2bitches 11 months ago
@nags2bitches it was a continuation of this video. and all horses are unpredictable. because they have a sense of self just like you and I. she has worked with this horse before this event on desensitizing the horse and has obviously done so with other horses as she didn't tie it to him or hold onto it when the horse bolted. nothing will tell us why that horse bolted since he had been doing so well before hand as you can see in this video. all i can say is it was a bad run for both of them.
LittleMustangMare 11 months ago
@LittleMustangMare I know things like this happen all the time & can be very unexpected ,it's happened to me;but I think jjclimbs comment on flooding is very apropriate & something most horse owners are unaware of.
nags2bitches 11 months ago
@nags2bitches I see where you are coming from, but i've seen flooded horses and i've seen trained and desensitized horses, and there is only one difference between them if you ask me a flooded horse tends to keep his hind quarters stiff and doesn't trot well he will either want to walk or run no in between since as most people know in the wild horses only trot or jog as foals and yearling's or when they are prancing about for mares. in this case i'd say it was just a bad run he's not flooded
LittleMustangMare 11 months ago
@LittleMustangMare What ?????? Most people DON'T know that as it's rubbish. arkive.org/przewalskis-horse/equus-ferus-przewalskii/video-06.html
And take another look at the pre-bucking vid and take note of the fact the horse virtually has his tail tucked between his legs , he is NOT happy . The session should've ended here not continued into the second video where the horror of it all finally overcame him.
nags2bitches 11 months ago
@nags2bitches and, it wasn't a continuation of this video that I was talking about in my first post it was a different video that I saw with a different rider.
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nags2bitches 11 months ago
@nags2bitches i never said he was happy i just said he wasn't flooded. and horses DON'T trot unless in a safe inviroment i.e prancing about fillies and goofing off a foals and yearlings i guess it did sound/read like i was limiting it to these things but i mean if a horse doesn't feel safe he's not going to prance about he's going to make a run for it so a flooded horse tends not to trot unless its head is tucked so tightly to its chest that it can't move faster .which would over flex the horse
LittleMustangMare 11 months ago
@LittleMustangMare I guess you didnt watch the video I linked to of takhis trotting ? Your comment that horses don't trot is nonsensical ; the horse will do whatever it is told untill it can't bear it any longer. Basically the horse was asked to put up with it for too long; he should've been given a break a lot sooner and then hopefully he wouldn't have freaked out.
nags2bitches 11 months ago
@LittleMustangMare A flooded horse can apear to be totally calm & happy but in fact is simply overwhelmed - stunned like a rabbit in head-lights. All of a sudden he/she may explode. That's why desensitising should be literally one step at a time a few seconds at a time & never taken for granted that the horse is ok
nags2bitches 11 months ago
@jjclimb69 dont you think she has probably done more work with the horse than just getting on him/her with a large piece of plastic?
She is clearly a compitant rider and the horse does not show sings of tension as he/she is moving at a comfortable pace with ears relaxed and litening to his/her enviroment. If he/she was scared he/she would have bolted alot sooner. So what, horses have there moments and you dont know what parctice she has done prvious to this exersize
777darkart777 10 months ago 5
I think you over did it! Honestly, he gave you so many signs of tension. He wouldn't have done all this is you stopped half way.
Here, it may look peaceful to some, but he's behind your leg, your contact is getting worse by second, he starts opening his mouth and eludes you. You must learn to stop when a horse stops paying attention to you and go back to basic training until he's yours again. Congrats for staying on lol
dicttattor 2 years ago 3
It's hard to tell but is he a BLUE ROAN?
JasperXisXmyXmonkey 2 years ago
all i want to know is after the flip out did u carry on with the plastic? would be a bit of a downer if u did all of that and not kept at it
carlym1989 2 years ago
I think maybe she needed LOTS of the plastic stuff on the ground beforehand. NATURAL HORSEMANSHIP PEOPLE!!!!!
missygirl688688 2 years ago
AGRREEDD!!
sadiemackrade2 2 years ago
Wow, you guys make quite a beautiful pair! I know that I'm not more experianced than you, but I was wondering whether the reason your horse spooked was because the plastic went abover his/her head? I didn't see you do as much work like that before the flip, if it wasn't do you know what it was? Well done though, you guys look beautiful together!
horseandmusicmadrosa 2 years ago
Nicely mannered horse, going nicely - what on earth made her flip?
naturalkat 2 years ago 3
ebautiful horse with lovly movements and wonderful rider. lovly movements threw legs and hind quarters
FLoSs110 2 years ago 2
love the baby voice when u talk to him hahaha what a lovely horse (:
annaalol 2 years ago
saw both videos, you are a great rider! and your horse is a beautiful mover!!
jmdnarri 2 years ago 3
u r are a great rider so dont mind ny one else!!
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Cloudruby9 2 years ago
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ottopasquier 2 years ago
I don't think she's forcing pain, I think she's trying to train her horse to not spook around pastic...
WackClackBang 2 years ago 71
@WackClackBang (He)
BrownHairBrownEyes97 10 months ago
you guys look ama zing, like ur floating and totally zen! especially with that cape
TheDewster27 2 years ago
I don't understand why the constant pressure on the horses mouth? What is the purpose of that? Does that not make the horse have a hard mouth? Great rider. Obviously experienced and understand what they are doing.
horsinround1 2 years ago
It may appear that there is constant pressure there, but in fact this is just a light 'contact'. A steady contact is necessary to teach the horse the correct headset, which in turn allows them to move 'through' themselves properly, and encourages good balance and elasticity. And yes, I agree, this is one VERY skilled saddle-sitter! haha!
yorkheardt 2 years ago
Nikki 5309
You obviously don't understand how to adapt your riding when training youngsters, if she was to sit on his back in the canter she would no doubt hollow his back and discourage the hind leg from stepping under , you need to keep a horse in front of your leg whilst doing these exercises and into an elastic condact which isn't condusive to sitting upright and onto a young horses back!
Annette261 2 years ago
For the people saying you could hurt yourself by doing that, im not trying to be rude but you could end up in the hospital just on the horse itself it has nothing to do with weather or not shes holding plastic because the horse has a mind of its own. You could end up in the hospital standing near one, never mind riding one.
ilovetommy312 2 years ago 3
r u trying to teach the horse not to spook at the plastic?
eliza671 2 years ago
does he/she do dressage (the horse) if not it should, its has 3 lovely paces and would do really well in a dressage comp.
suchandidiot94 2 years ago
I think it was the continuous pressure that set her off, more approach and retreat would have helped, plus cantering put her into flight mode. She's a sweety and you're a very nice rider.
bellestarr71 2 years ago
what horse is amazing he/she is sooo pritty if I did that my horse would have bolted!!
spark453 2 years ago
did you not watch the whole video?
Half way through it spooked & freaked out going mental?
skyandkit 2 years ago
what a beautiful trot and canter this horse has :)
Jefrma 2 years ago
try to sit up taller in trot, and in the canter, try to sit down in the saddle and relax, it will make it easier to sit the canter. because not trying to be rude please dont take this offensively but you are bouncing out of the saddle at the canter.
Nikki5309 2 years ago
Nikki are you mad? or a novice, Not being rude but she is obviously riding a youngster or novice horse which maybe you never have and she is riding with a balanced forward seat in the trot and the canter which is exactly right!!
Annette261 2 years ago
well if she sat back maybe it would be easier o control the horse! im not saying like leaning back but sitting down in the canter and keeping her back straight!! and i have ridden a novice horse, thank u very much!!
Nikki5309 2 years ago
she is doing some sort of half seat at the canter not bouncing around other wise she is the most graceful bouncer ever haha
TekSav 2 years ago
unless u are guna b wearing a plastic jacket when u are riding which i dnt think u will i just dnt think this is a safe way for u or the horse to b trained, 1 the horse would b so nervous why teach it like that u out ur self into the horses shoes for a min, poor thing would b hating it im sure and its so unsafe if u hurt urself or even end up in hospital with a brain injry
emnemz8 2 years ago
yeah she could have gotten hurt. But shes trying to teach the horse to not be afraid of plastic...we did the same thing with my TB cause he would jump at the sound of it. I think its extremly smart to ride with it. hes indoors..cant do too much damage :)
bentleyrox1st 2 years ago 2
wat a lovly canter ur very lucky to ride him/her!!!
CALIENTECHICA354 2 years ago
he's a lovely mover
shouldabnapirate 2 years ago
who was the rider on the horse?
DorianeVioloncello 2 years ago
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no galloping? sissy!!!!!!
hoperyansage 2 years ago
were u bomb prrofing ur horse or wat were u doin with the plstic bag thingy?
horseluver7896 2 years ago
Yeah its a way to get them used to noises around them and prepare them for a drill team (where they do things with flags)
if they wanted them to join one
horseofthemoonlight 2 years ago 2
ohhh cool
horseluver7896 2 years ago
where do you ride? becasue this barn looks familliar
jumpersdoitbetter 2 years ago
Your horse is lovely, great work! xx
eventerkatie84 2 years ago
bombproofing your horse is good!
ginavile 2 years ago
i love cantering....................
Rainshadow0 2 years ago
y did u hav plastic?
TrickRidingForrest 2 years ago
She was trying to bomb-proof him.
jeffreyRAWKS12798 2 years ago