Gotta love the sound of older Chevy V-8's. That is one SICK 68. I have a 68 SS that I need to restore and get back on the road. It hasn't been on the road since 1993.
I was Hammering down the Motorway in the uk in 68 327, looked at the speedo i'm doing 130, i though Fuck i better slow down. But as i went past a 911 carrera S which was just cruising along the middle lane i saw his window open a little, he obviously wanted to hear it :) Respect to my American muscle! i thought, lol which cost a fraction of the price of his porsche.
@tkwjh07 Some fag troll that likes Ford or Dodge, or maybe a ricer. That's what kills me about Youtube. People watch videos and leave shitty comments about them. Why are they watching the videos in the first place?
@bigbad302 Manual, If you watch at starting of the vid, when he was pulling out of the shop you could see it roll backwards, and when it shifts if you listen you can hear the pause from the clutch being pushed in
holy shit that things a beast! u bastards have way too much fun at work! come down to monterey to cherries jubilee! id love to see some of ur guys rods
@Brooky0793 see i was trying to word it so that it wouldnt come out like that but i guess i just couldnt get it out right.... glad it made someone laugh though....
The car looks and sounds great! It made me go out and watch the movie... Out of curiosity, are the side pipes baffled or is it a straight- through or perforated tube design? I'd like to get my car sounding like this, but without the side exhaust. Thanks!
I love these cars,do yekken you could switch these to right hand drive cause im from England and i d love to destroy the boy racers in their golf gti and what not lol
i feel like converting this into mp3 and then putting it on my ipod and listen to it all day on repeat mode :D awesome guys !!! greetings from germany.
Love the old "slotted mags"! I had those on my '68 RS in high school ('79)! The blacked out rear is ok, but too much on the back of the trunk spoilier... Bitchin Ride!!!
Apparantly the tires and wheels were customer supplied, so they were never entered in the parts invoice, and nobody remembers what was used with any certaintly.
The wheels were most likely Halibrand "Sprint" wheels or Wheel Vintique reproductions of that wheel. The Tires were BF Goodrich P255 and P275/R60-15's.
@800hotrod5 Those rims look remarkably like a set of Cragar deep slot aluminum rims I once bought back in 1980. I haven't seen anyone else with them in ages. I love that look.
I like the better off dead more ...you can drive past the cop in it with less chance of suspicion ....red = red and blue lights lolz XD thats why when i paint my Caprice it will be metalic blue with white stripes
If you want safe, drive a Priuis, they have all kinds of markers so you can avoid running over them. And we ain't been busted yet, because we only drive like that for a few seconds at a time. Just enough for the vids. We'd have to go to a track to really drop the hammer on these beasts.
I just rescued a 68 from the pasture,rusted pretty bad but mostly surface.Know anything about rust dipping a whole car,where I could get it done,and price?I'd check into you guys but im in Texas.
We don't reccomend dipping. Solvent always reamins behind in the crevis' and seams then bubbles up again under the paint. Besides, it's no longer legal to do in most states. We do media blasting on all our cars. You can read an online article about it on our website.
Thanks for the reply.Ive got a lot of response pro and con but Im gonna pass on the dipping.BTW,does anybody remember a movie with ron howard that was made around the American Graffitti days that was basicly just him running from the cops in a badass comaro the whole movie?Saw it years ago and dont remember the name.
I found it.Its called "Eat My Dust".Only thing on you tube is the trailor and I think its actually a firebird.Movie was ok but the car was awsome though the trailor doesnt really do it justice.
Gentlemen, I'm looking for a solid '68body and chassis to build on. Numbers don't matter, I already have the motor and drivetrain. Let me know if you can help me out, I'll pay the shipping.
Well then, why try to teach our children any standards then? Is that it? It's Ok because everyone does or might do it? Cussing adds nothing of value to the conversation or the comment. I speak from experience as once who used to do it all the time. Profanity is laziness of thought. Demand better of yourself.
lol, i like how you get on to people about cussing then post a vid of this guy doing like 3 times the speed limit in the middle of town. Let's hope your kids don't step out in front of him.
Thanks. This morning I had to delete a post on this thread and block a guy who had just the opposite reaction, and who went in to a profanity laced tirade. Some people just dont get it. All I can do is try to set an example.
As for the speed displays on our vids, they are all within (or close to) posted speed limits. We just do some hard accelerations for short distances.
dude im 15 and im a camaro freak, i know the owner of the original camaro used in the move -little known fact- the car was a real trans am race car before the movie used it, and it is actually a 67 camaro with a '68 front end and doors. the car was taken out of storage (its been in there for 30 years) a few months back and is in need of a full restoration, and i also know a dude that built a replica, and gave us a ride to our HOUSE to get our camera so we could take pictures of it.
no, just to let you know this car isn't an rs, rs stands for rally sport, and really wasn't a performance package on its own back in the day, though all recieved a 327 cubic inch V8 (which is not bad by any standards), but rather an appearance package. on a rally sport camaro 1967-69 they would have the hidden headlights, which is really cool, i own a 67 rs, certainly not the most powerful camaro in the world, but its kewl. And as for power, it depends on the owner wants to give it.
Gotta love the sound of older Chevy V-8's. That is one SICK 68. I have a 68 SS that I need to restore and get back on the road. It hasn't been on the road since 1993.
ryandthack 14 hours ago
Seriously, excellent job on this camaro. Incredible sound.. and perfect wheel/tire size by the way.
arianshreds 1 week ago
awsome sound ! I love it ;D
TheDiaz5000 2 weeks ago
Found this video in a WideBody thread on Pro-Touring.
Spotted 3rd Gen Camaro. 2:42 - 2:47
SimplisticBeing 4 weeks ago
ohhh my god i want it so much... these rims with oldschook tyres are awesome!
idle like a real musclecar and on torgue a massive v8-sound, i looove it !
hope, there's a time i could buy one 68 camaro, a 65 mustang or a 70 challenger to do things like THIS to it !
but here in germany, i think it's even more expensive...
:(
DrJey 2 months ago
OMG I saw a 68 camaro, and it was gorgeous, I mean my god, and he wanted $22,000 for it, but i believe it would be worth it!!!
xforce687 3 months ago
Funny passenger sounded like a little 6 year old asking to ride lol
downtoearth1986 4 months ago
How much?
cyberparr 4 months ago
I was Hammering down the Motorway in the uk in 68 327, looked at the speedo i'm doing 130, i though Fuck i better slow down. But as i went past a 911 carrera S which was just cruising along the middle lane i saw his window open a little, he obviously wanted to hear it :) Respect to my American muscle! i thought, lol which cost a fraction of the price of his porsche.
peteq1972 5 months ago
Who clicked the dislike button?
tkwjh07 5 months ago
@tkwjh07 Some fag troll that likes Ford or Dodge, or maybe a ricer. That's what kills me about Youtube. People watch videos and leave shitty comments about them. Why are they watching the videos in the first place?
ryandthack 14 hours ago
Getting a 1968 Camaro black on blue and a 74-77 hugger orange with black racing stripes
Camaros are the best cars ever and they aren't overrated!!!
todd3190 5 months ago
20's in the back, and 18's in the front is badass what the fuck are you trailer trash mother fuckers talking about?
TheAARON631 7 months ago
anyone know if someone makes a kit for those flares?
ArmedOkie 10 months ago
If I could have any car in the world, it would be that one..
Rock3t138 10 months ago
Ahhhh..........now that's how a proper car sounds. Couldn't afford to run it myself but it's nice to hear some music from time to time.
MrGoblin60 10 months ago
365 people jizzed in their pants; 15 couldn't get it up.
aza454 1 year ago
love the noise!!!! POWER!!!!!!!!! XD i would marry that car, at least it wouldnt cheat on me!
luigidetomaso 1 year ago
those are proper muscle car rims, not some 20" low rider crap!
t0rq21 1 year ago
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cheswic 1 year ago
damn sounds awesome!
MaxGr33nfan 1 year ago
at 00:10 i came in my pants...............
pkrprodigy777 1 year ago
Man that MOTHER FUCKER SOUNDS GOOOOOD......
woodzo40 1 year ago
thank you for re-building an old muscle car and not putting goofy 18 inch rims on it. badass camaro
MurderAt1300 1 year ago 6
@MurderAt1300
I have to agree with you, anything larger than 16 inches looks silly on a first generation Camaro.
emoneybagz23 1 year ago
OMG LISTEN THE SOUND!!! *.* pure awesomeness
xXxCrossoveRxXx 1 year ago
Car....... looks like candy and sounds like thunder. One of life's perfect combinations.
dkapone 1 year ago
is this a auto or man trans?
bigbad302 1 year ago
@bigbad302 Manual, If you watch at starting of the vid, when he was pulling out of the shop you could see it roll backwards, and when it shifts if you listen you can hear the pause from the clutch being pushed in
tkh450 1 year ago
Yeah its got the goods
TequilaKG 1 year ago
Nice car
draculascoffin 1 year ago
car sounds good better not go over a speed bump tho with those long ass pipes..3 inch turn downs wud be nice
dskee88 1 year ago
Let Me Show Ya How To Do It ;)
JUSTACHIPN 1 year ago
Love how your rockin the mags,what size are they?
clntravis 1 year ago
Nice lil ride! =)) Dig the nostalgic sidepipes & wheels.
JSAautomotive 1 year ago
HOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!
caligotspeerbomb 1 year ago
holy shit that things a beast! u bastards have way too much fun at work! come down to monterey to cherries jubilee! id love to see some of ur guys rods
extracredit100 1 year ago
@extracredit100 haha ... "would love to see some of your guys rods" thats some funny shit right there.
Brooky0793 1 year ago
@Brooky0793 see i was trying to word it so that it wouldnt come out like that but i guess i just couldnt get it out right.... glad it made someone laugh though....
extracredit100 1 year ago
i would never let someone else do work on my chevy...no fun in that
chevynovaSS90 1 year ago
any one know af a company that does side exhaust like that?
camarodue 1 year ago
nice!
stockedmuscle 1 year ago
When Aloha Bobby & Rose came out, I took my G/F to see it quite a few times, talk about a bitchin' Camaro! \m/ xD
rhythmrancher 1 year ago
Nice Camaro!
V8MB 1 year ago
buen motor
BUGATTI118 1 year ago
buen camaro
BUGATTI118 1 year ago
nice camaro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BUGATTI118 1 year ago
nice camaro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BUGATTI118 1 year ago
whats the engine?
lobzdik 1 year ago
best sound i've ever heard
g30rge93 1 year ago
You guys will have to give me the low down on what you do and where you are located message me plz
smithpool360 1 year ago
@smithpool360 checkout our website w w w . h o t r o d s c u s t o m s t u f f . c o m
located in beautiful Southern California, San Diego County USA
800hotrod5 1 year ago
@800hotrod5 Go Broncos!!!
leeshrrs 11 months ago
The car looks and sounds great! It made me go out and watch the movie... Out of curiosity, are the side pipes baffled or is it a straight- through or perforated tube design? I'd like to get my car sounding like this, but without the side exhaust. Thanks!
bzster 1 year ago
where can i get a set of those wheels..ive got the exact same wheels on my 68 but there a lil beat up..let me know
KCMCUSTOMS 1 year ago
this place sell classic cars?
youdragon 1 year ago
@youdragon We occasionally sell cars for our customers but for the most part we build, fabricate and service classic cars
800hotrod5 1 year ago
@800hotrod5 would u build a 75 camaro with a 400?
youdragon 1 year ago
@youdragon We can pretty mucj build anything. Give us a call and we can discuss
800hotrod5 1 year ago
the things i would do for one of these... awesome
SourishWhale 1 year ago
the old Camaro's look like real cars... the new 2010 looks like a matchbox toy with all that plastic.
ladygodia 1 year ago
one very cool ride
bepianoful 1 year ago
QUE CARRO TAN CABROOOOOOON..!! :D
jiosry 1 year ago
is this the 350?
whowants2know369 1 year ago
Great car you can keep your rice burners muscle all the way!
MrWezman82 1 year ago
bad ass
kb382 1 year ago
my favourite yank motor
DominicSantiago123 1 year ago
The exhaust came from Summit ( Hooker )
ekpd181 1 year ago
It seems to do a decent 0-60 run..Looks good, too. 5*
dariowsky 1 year ago
where can i find that kind of exhaust like the Cobra ?
X2N18 1 year ago
I love these cars,do yekken you could switch these to right hand drive cause im from England and i d love to destroy the boy racers in their golf gti and what not lol
deltex259 1 year ago 2
@deltex259 The voice of common sense, I salute you!
ChrisHenniker 2 months ago
all the ls is is a 350 ci and up. They dont sound too much different than stock 350's...
NewtProductions 1 year ago
lol did he double clutch it at the first when he pulled out sounded good reminded me of Bullit and Steve Mcqueen
smashedgnome 1 year ago
That is the nicest car I have ever seen.....
JoshieBoy81 1 year ago 2
did you hear the big turbo from the truck 2:20
26byrondonis 2 years ago
That was the air dryer purging cuz the air compressor got up to its cut out pressure. diesels dont have throttle plates so no need for blow off valve
jibirish11321 1 year ago
yup.
211for11 1 year ago
i feel like converting this into mp3 and then putting it on my ipod and listen to it all day on repeat mode :D awesome guys !!! greetings from germany.
DonPhilip84 2 years ago
So what is it? 11:50 - 12:40 car? give some info here! LOL
zenswing 2 years ago
that was a great movie, but the end sucked.
signguy8u 2 years ago
awsome!! Turn up the volume when listing to this!!!! :D
SimoDERRRRR 2 years ago 2
badass
217zenki 2 years ago
u can obviously hear it when he pulls out that he double clutches!!!!! Just like some truck drivers
SuperMan05GTO 2 years ago
at 0:57 did he pull out right behind a 68 mustang? they should have drag raced back. awsome car by the way.
quadriderkyle 2 years ago
that dude can drive. he double clutches takin off and heel and toes downshifting. Badass!
Homohunter420 2 years ago
heel n toe? lol wat is this anatomy dude? lol wtf guys a genius! he can see through the car to see how the guy drives!
txpimpincali 2 years ago
wow ,,, easy start
JustConquering 2 years ago
:O!!!! i think i just jizzed in my pants!
halofanjg 2 years ago
ILL! I love this car!
emoneybagz23 2 years ago
Love the old "slotted mags"! I had those on my '68 RS in high school ('79)! The blacked out rear is ok, but too much on the back of the trunk spoilier... Bitchin Ride!!!
hankgs 2 years ago
Gorgeous car. Should lose the spoiler though.
Domenick1992 2 years ago
jaja every camaro sounds different,, how do you know how they sound im pritty sure u dont own one
thomasarg88 2 years ago
Love it.
FlegDesigns 2 years ago 3
doesnt even sound like a camaro
FroopieLoopies 2 years ago
i know its a replica but god do i love that front bumper
andr123w 2 years ago
there is no front bumper
year1camaro 2 years ago 8
@year1camaro you planning to put the bumper on someone? i think it looks better..
jlittlethc 1 year ago
@year1camaro and i like it!
iRIDEaHONDA9 1 year ago
the lake pipe's have to go byby tho
trwgmlg 2 years ago
1st gen camaros are some of my favorite cars ever
psychoclown420 2 years ago 9
no shit there the most popular ones. and they fucking suck!
stangnick 2 years ago
sounds like the mustang steve mcqueen drove in bullet.
rippin74camaro 2 years ago
that car is very nice ive looked at all off the pictures when you restored it and it an exelent job great work.
ksera2k7 2 years ago
amazing!!
ClassicDragRace 2 years ago
BONER!!
imme4255 2 years ago
omg:D I want this car :D:P
DanussQa15 2 years ago
zaujmave vsak juro xD
PK158AP 2 years ago
Apparantly the tires and wheels were customer supplied, so they were never entered in the parts invoice, and nobody remembers what was used with any certaintly.
The wheels were most likely Halibrand "Sprint" wheels or Wheel Vintique reproductions of that wheel. The Tires were BF Goodrich P255 and P275/R60-15's.
800hotrod5 2 years ago 2
they look really nice
chevybb572 2 years ago
@800hotrod5 nothing looks better then aluminum slots
nazarethfan89 1 year ago
@800hotrod5 Those rims look remarkably like a set of Cragar deep slot aluminum rims I once bought back in 1980. I haven't seen anyone else with them in ages. I love that look.
mrgears 1 year ago
dont see it can you just ask someone?
chevybb572 2 years ago
WUT SIZE R THE BACK RIMS AND TIRES?
chevybb572 2 years ago
Details of the build can be found on our website.
800hotrod5 2 years ago
awesome ride! look great!! =D
PiP0KaZ 2 years ago
what a beautiful beautiful sound.
mmack9 2 years ago
hmm it vs. the better off dead camaro??? 0_O
69Cabeast 2 years ago
Performance wise not much difference, but the Bobby & Rose Camaro looks much cooler. No contest there.
800hotrod5 2 years ago
I like the better off dead more ...you can drive past the cop in it with less chance of suspicion ....red = red and blue lights lolz XD thats why when i paint my Caprice it will be metalic blue with white stripes
rowdy165 2 years ago
oooooooooooooooh that noise
ratgreen 2 years ago
It needs a front bumper
SuperMan05GTO 2 years ago
No it doesn't.
800hotrod5 2 years ago
all time favorite car!
no doubt
jakemorey72 2 years ago
i hate when people be haten on old cars.
i think old cars are the coolest looking, but some new ones a cool looking
CMXxgor3xX 2 years ago 2
this is my dream car right here
rogercarranza 2 years ago 3
How much fuel eat this monster? :)
kuchilin 2 years ago
More than a Prius. =-]
800hotrod5 2 years ago
grat looking and sounding car its bad ass but it the wrong wheels on it it needs something different badly
cobratwinturbo 2 years ago
my god!! your rite!!!
FroopieLoopies 2 years ago 2
the car was built to re-create the car used in the movie "Aloha Bobby & Rose". The car looks like the one in the movie... Wheels and all.
800hotrod5 2 years ago
what kind of hp is that car makeing?
kingbucky6 2 years ago
The ZZ383 stroker small-block (with fast-burn heads), is rated at 425 horsepower and 449 lb.-ft. of torque.
You can see the complete build and get more info at our website.
800hotrod5 2 years ago
What motor is in that bad boy? Sounds like an ls-1 to me.
72chevelless530 2 years ago
A ZZ 383 crate motor. You can see the complete build and all the specs at our website.
800hotrod5 2 years ago
super sound super car:)
potentia77 2 years ago
sweat camaro
88super50notchback 2 years ago
Who ever put this car together did a great job - done right.
heymargaretlook 2 years ago
Thanks!
800hotrod5 2 years ago
Damn!!! This car is a reeeeeaaaaal bomb! Muscle car FTW! What a sound men!
levelvtl 2 years ago
super unsafe car with out the side marker reflectors lol do you get in trouble for driving it like that?? beautiful car though.
305pride 2 years ago
If you want safe, drive a Priuis, they have all kinds of markers so you can avoid running over them. And we ain't been busted yet, because we only drive like that for a few seconds at a time. Just enough for the vids. We'd have to go to a track to really drop the hammer on these beasts.
800hotrod5 2 years ago
lol but would the cops actually care? i wish i had this car. ive only seen a first gen once :'( i guess i'll just have to do with my 4th gen lol
305pride 2 years ago
I was waiting for him to spin some 360's in the intersection, just like in the movie.
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RackEmPunk 2 years ago
That's for the owner to do. We don't get paid if we wreck the car before delivery.
800hotrod5 2 years ago
he was speeding
Jsm000007 2 years ago
my uncle owns a red one of these with black racing stripes. He
didn't tell me that he bought it until he showed up in my driveway and said "wanna ride?":):):):):):):):)
oatmealisawesome99 2 years ago
bad ass
gangrail 2 years ago
is the 68 camaro better then the 69?
ps3kid310 2 years ago
no 69 is better
copelander212 2 years ago
Bla, HOW?? Plastic lights, dash, key in ignition?
Couple design gone to lines on sides. They still make 69's !! The post Jan 68 camaro has the same subframe etc.
Formulabruce 2 years ago
theres not much difference between the 68 and 69 camaro. They have the same engine stock, the body is a little different though.
DeckerRidesABike 2 years ago
That spot on the hood is not seagull
shit, it's Herby Cream Cheese!
rnasap 2 years ago
You talking about the hood locks?
Alohabr 2 years ago
Nice ride
DSMtsi23 2 years ago
Pure bête de course, pure son de V8. Superbe Camaro.
DragonManiac33 2 years ago
fuck yeah!
213brito131 2 years ago
I just rescued a 68 from the pasture,rusted pretty bad but mostly surface.Know anything about rust dipping a whole car,where I could get it done,and price?I'd check into you guys but im in Texas.
TheoneGodfather 2 years ago
We don't reccomend dipping. Solvent always reamins behind in the crevis' and seams then bubbles up again under the paint. Besides, it's no longer legal to do in most states. We do media blasting on all our cars. You can read an online article about it on our website.
800hotrod5 2 years ago
Thanks for the reply.Ive got a lot of response pro and con but Im gonna pass on the dipping.BTW,does anybody remember a movie with ron howard that was made around the American Graffitti days that was basicly just him running from the cops in a badass comaro the whole movie?Saw it years ago and dont remember the name.
TheoneGodfather 2 years ago
Sorry, dont recall that one.
800hotrod5 2 years ago
I found it.Its called "Eat My Dust".Only thing on you tube is the trailor and I think its actually a firebird.Movie was ok but the car was awsome though the trailor doesnt really do it justice.
TheoneGodfather 2 years ago
i have the moive its a camaro and stared ron howard cool moive.
thejetskiguy 2 years ago
omg i got just got a stiffy
skullcandydgk 2 years ago
Gentlemen, I'm looking for a solid '68body and chassis to build on. Numbers don't matter, I already have the motor and drivetrain. Let me know if you can help me out, I'll pay the shipping.
CombatVet65 2 years ago
I got two of these bueaties in my garage... and SS and an RSS and i really want to get them back on teh road.
Strunnn 2 years ago
We'd be happy to help you get them on the road!
800hotrod5 2 years ago
That is one Bad@#$ Car
Lochinvar111 2 years ago
my dream car
brotherbyrge 2 years ago
i actually cussed on purpose actually shouldn't be a big deal they will cuss one day
Whatthefuckisgoingon 2 years ago
Well then, why try to teach our children any standards then? Is that it? It's Ok because everyone does or might do it? Cussing adds nothing of value to the conversation or the comment. I speak from experience as once who used to do it all the time. Profanity is laziness of thought. Demand better of yourself.
800hotrod5 2 years ago
i fuckin love it......excuse my language lol
Whatthefuckisgoingon 2 years ago
You are excused this time, but try to keep it clean. My kids go to these videos. I block repeat offenders. Thanks.
800hotrod5 2 years ago
lol, i like how you get on to people about cussing then post a vid of this guy doing like 3 times the speed limit in the middle of town. Let's hope your kids don't step out in front of him.
bobert866 2 years ago
Thanks. This morning I had to delete a post on this thread and block a guy who had just the opposite reaction, and who went in to a profanity laced tirade. Some people just dont get it. All I can do is try to set an example.
As for the speed displays on our vids, they are all within (or close to) posted speed limits. We just do some hard accelerations for short distances.
800hotrod5 2 years ago
lol, right. There was some definite speeding. As for the profanity... unnecessary.
bobert866 2 years ago
It's california, stay within 30 MPH of the posted limit and you'll be fine!
Beautiful car, if I ever need custom work I'll be sure to check you guys out from Riverside California!
cheese71burger 2 years ago
F*** the speed limit. That's for old ladies and weenies.
CombatVet65 2 years ago
dude im 15 and im a camaro freak, i know the owner of the original camaro used in the move -little known fact- the car was a real trans am race car before the movie used it, and it is actually a 67 camaro with a '68 front end and doors. the car was taken out of storage (its been in there for 30 years) a few months back and is in need of a full restoration, and i also know a dude that built a replica, and gave us a ride to our HOUSE to get our camera so we could take pictures of it.
2wire4 2 years ago
love it!!! :D
ISPY4ever 2 years ago
Is this a camaro rs
I dont really nkow a lot about these cars apart from they are amazing
Also how many BHP its running
bumblefluff 2 years ago
Go to the build article on our website. The answers to those questions are there.
800hotrod5 2 years ago
no, just to let you know this car isn't an rs, rs stands for rally sport, and really wasn't a performance package on its own back in the day, though all recieved a 327 cubic inch V8 (which is not bad by any standards), but rather an appearance package. on a rally sport camaro 1967-69 they would have the hidden headlights, which is really cool, i own a 67 rs, certainly not the most powerful camaro in the world, but its kewl. And as for power, it depends on the owner wants to give it.
2wire4 2 years ago
Hey thanks !
bumblefluff 2 years ago