Discrimination? Yes, TODAY it's discrimination. Back then, it was considered a positive to be the man and the provider. That role had much power, because they controlled their wives and their household and could freely do any powerful occupation. Now, it's not the same. Women can't be controlled and women's roles have become more lenient and open to possibilities and men's roles have not. So in conclusion, TODAY it's discrimination, but back then, it was the greatest position to be in.
@BDSandM Would you mind me asking you a question? Are you old enough to remember the things you are describing as fact? I am old enough and can tell you straight up that what you are describing is far, far, far from what I saw with my own eyes. My fear is that you have been indoctrinated into these beliefs by others who have an agenda of reframing history in order to meet their ideological needs. So please do let us know how you came to your conclusions. Thanks.
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@Malwina77ful It seems you are unable to see the hardships of men and take it seriously. When someone only has compassion for their own group that is called BIGOTRY. Can you show us you have compassion for men? I doubt it. Men and boys deserve choice and compassion. At this point they have neither.
@karlsmith00 "not sit on your fat ass and leave comments on youtube. dumb bitch."
Isn't that what you do everyday? I seen you just about everywhere. Now who is the "dumb bitch" again?
Considering you make time every single day to come on to youtube and be a troll all day I think you have no right to tell someone how they should run their lives.
If I need help running my life, you would be the last I would go to, to seek help.
feminists really believe that white women had it worse than the jews and blacks go to there channels on youtube you will see they actually believe that
1menaregod1, you caricaturizing Uncle Joe as evil incarnate is steriotyping. I implore you to make your otherwise good case differently. Since it is not a good start arguing against women steriotyping men by simplisticly steriotyping a man or several men in the same instance.
@RaeleneMcDual Myths like the wage gap simply refuse to die even though they've been debunked. Read Farrells Why Men Earn More or a feminist publication like the AAUW paper which showed that prior to marriage women earn as much and even more than men at times. (This is the same conclusion as Farrell) They conclude that the wage gap, after taking into account intervening variables is more like 5% or so. Even that is an exageration, but is a start. I suggest you stop spreading misinformation.
@RaeleneMcDual @ You sound like a parrot, spitting out clichés that has now been around for 12 years. And, no there are no truths in those clichés either
@mace9008 Someone is having trouble mustering up some compassion for men and boys. Read Warren Farrell, Paul Nathanson and David Geary and say 500 menaregoods. ;>)
The wage gap stuff is nonsense....it is funny how women complain about making less than men, but there are actually more women with good jobs than men. Also, as with other "persecuted" groups in the US, it is silly to blame all white males living today for ills that may have occurred 50, 100, or 300 years ago. All white males in America today are not related to American colonists...and all white men aren't related to female oppressors.
No women have not been oppressed. It's just another myth of feminism. One of the aims of feminism was to put women in the workplace en masse so corporations would be able to drive down wages. When you have a surplus of millions of workers, you can always keep wages low.
Oh please. Just go to aauw dot org (strongly feminist org) and search for wage gap and you will find their 2007 report that admitted the gap was between 5-12%. Even this is a huge exaggeration and omits important variables but at least they are starting to come around. Interesting that the media sees the report & doesn't say women make "95 cents to a dollar" that a man makes! LOL that wouldn't be sexy now would it? Our world perseverates on women's hardships and ignores the pain of men. Fact.
If someone is not free they are oppressed. This guy come from the Rockefeller fndtn? The opressors were always egomaniac men like this guy.
Rockefellars poured money into womans movement, set Gloria Steinham up for an agenda. To make women feel guilty for nuturing their own children is oppression of the cruelest kind. They wanted kids in daycare younger for indoctrination and they could tax the other half of the nation. Women are more enslaved than they ever were. Kick this guy in the ass!
Marilyn Frye made it clear in "Oppression" this is a word that should not be thrown around wildly--used to describe situations when people are miserable or suffering. She lists basic features of oppressed people, one, a double bind, options reduced opening one to penalty, censure or deprivation--not given choices, life shaped by forces, barriers systemically instituted to keep you in place. reconsider women's plight. damned if you do, damned if you don't. silenced. invisible. kept down-ironed.
Hmm. No suffrage? No rights to abortion? Less pay? No domestic violence laws to protect them from abuse? The expectation of being an incubator & babysitter rather than a breadwinner? The assumption that they're emotional creatures rather than capable peers? In certain parts of the world, a woman can't report a rape unless her husband & 6 other men bear witness? Rosie the Riveter helped win WWII but when her husband came home, she was expected to get back in the kitchen?
@upabittoolate 1st thing, THEY ARE NOT SLAVES. They have plenty of freedom, it's not like they are on chains or something, and 2nd: rights to abortion? you approve of killing babies just for women's rights? Kind of selfish... And the video is about discrimination in the USA. In OTHER parts of the world things are that f***ed up, but here, they're focusing mostly on the United States.
@robertsfunny1995 They aren't slaves now. They're experiencing a lot of new freedoms here in the Western world but that's a far cry from where they have been. Furthermore, you're not using historical context NOR are you paying any regard to the women on the rest of the world.
@upabittoolate That's because the video is about how things are in the UNITED STATES. I'm not doing that to make you look or feel stupid, I just want to get my point across.
@robertsfunny1995 You're not making anyone feel stupid. I'd have to BE stupid to feel that way & "stupid" doesn't make the short list of words to describe me. MLK once said an injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere. So it doesn't really matter if this video is contextualized by the locus of the US. For that matter, the US ain't so great to women either. In this country's 240yr history, only 3 women have been nominated as major party candidates and THAT was only for VP.
Do you realize that women weren't even considered citizens in this country until 1920? Do you realize that abortion rights, a serious health issue, are constantly under attack from the right wing? Must I mention how backward the Fundamentalist Mormons (an AMERICAN religion) are toward their women? My friend, these are marks of oppression. Don't get me wrong, I'm probably more of a "macho man" than you may think. But I understand what Lennon meant when he said "Woman is the Nigger of the World".
@upabittoolate dude, abortion rights? The right to kill your own child? I mean, if domestic violence should be illegal why should it be legal to kill your own child?
@robertsfunny1995 It's not killing a child. It's surgical disposing of an unwanted pregnancy. Make the distinction becuase if you don't you'll get into the same confusion at the "right to life" crowd. Why isn't domestic violence legal? Because the victim is already HERE.
@upabittoolate it basically is, just because the baby is unborn doesn't make it less human. I mean, you wouldn't shoot a child. So what makes it right to kill it just because it hasn't come out yet?
@robertsfunny1995 It basically ISN'T. There's times when women birth something that's far from being a viable human being. Furthermore, there's a range when a fetus can't even be self-sustained. Abortion is NOT killing a child because you can't argue potentiality. When you eat an omelette or a cookie, are you eating chicken? Has the boulder at the top of the hill crushed the village yet?
Abortion isn't the end of the world. Ultimately it's STILL a woman's choice. You're too dim to get that.
@upabittoolate women have suffrage, they have right to abortion, about the pay gap it is much more complex than the 'misogynism' fanboys n girls want us to belive. Women are also breadwinner and we have good intellectuals and scientist. So the 'oppression' myth is just a myth.
@Kenshiroit Explain the pay gap. When did women get suffrage? When did women get the right to legal abortions? You're acting like these have always been regular entitlements. That's far from being correct. Women are still oppressed.
@upabittoolate no women r not oppressed at least not in western countryes. About the pay gap myth as I told u is more complex matter. That goes from personal choices to negotiations to work hour, to the kind of jobs chosen ect. Men tend to work for more hours (like take more over work hours), while women tend to take more time of ect. In some areas women also make more than men. Men chosing more dangerous job (who pays more) while women chose usually other jobs with lower pay. so it's more- cont
@Kenshiroit -cont complex that include personal choices and experience rather than just 'women r oppressed' therefore they make less kinda of argument.
@Kenshiroit You can barely spell or use grammar. I doubt you can give me some elaborate qualification for the pay gap. Dude, women are oppressed. I've presented my evidence. Make your case or shut up.
@upabittoolate ok I dont mind people "praising" my "superior English spelling talent. because, this is YT u have a limited space, so u have do sintetice everything. Second im not a English speaker. Third u talk like a sexually disturbet teenager, look at my evidence and add it also 'US dept of labor, consad 2009 report'. In conclusion, I have my case, u have nada but an opinion. Finally, I dont like when people say shut up. U shut up and uh, u'r up too late, go to bed otherwise daddy get angry
@upabittoolate You are poorly informed. The wage gap has been determined to be almost totally related to choices, NOT DISCRIMINATION. Even feminist groups like the AAUW have come out and stated that the portion of the wage gap that is unexplained is only a tiny fraction. Hell, young girls out of college are making MORE than their male counterparts. Read Warren Farrell's book "Why Men Earn More" to become informed on this topic. At this point your posts are more about ideology than facts.
@1menaregood1 When a person is in need of a job; the choice is limited. YOU are poorly informed. C'mon man, at least present a reasonable argument. Reading 1 book & following Farrell's bad premise (women have more of a "choice") is NOT presenting facts vs ideology. You're presenting YOUR ideology.
@upabittoolate The "pay gap" is only a snapshot of average yearly full-time incomes. It does not account for overtime, type of work, or other factors. It only exists because men work more hours at high-stress jobs they hate with longer commutes, less flexibility, more physical risk, etc. just to be breadwinners and feed their families, only to die younger and get bashed for "earning more."
@upabittoolate The US Department of Labor itself says the wage gap myth is a lie, what more does it take for your stubborn ass to see the truth? Are you that weak-minded to get brainwashed this badly, if you're a woman you bring great shame to real women everywhere.
@upabittoolate Incorrect, did you even read the report at all or at least read articles about the report on the internet. They say there is no wage gap when you put all factors into the equation, you are either lying or have your head up your ass.
tiemedown said: "for men to be oppressed they must be oppressed by women."
Can you please offer the reasons you have used to come to this conclusion? To me this looks like grade b bigotry in valuing the pain of one group as worthy and devaluing the pain of another group as unworthy. Perhaps you can explain.
This is not an issue of semantics. Observing that androcentricism exists even today in biological textbooks is not an expression against the individual man. Society has been groomed in a nationalistic light, wherein reproduction of white couples of desired, therefore any 'hostility' towards this ( educated women who marry later and have less children, gay individuals, minorities) all of these things will be statistically hammered under the guise of science and 'family values'.
A psychologist named Money posited in the 70s the women's sexuality was inherent on the ideal of a male counterpart, and that clitoral stimulation was unnatural. This idea was utilized against lesbian women in the form of 'corrective rapes'. Historically women have been oppressed as " an aggressive sexual reservoir" the same dogma is true today in Iran. Forgetting these tragedies does noone good. The guise of protection is a guise, the same literature was used in colonist atrocities.
I find that in "women's studies," oppression is aligned with inequal treatment. Such as not having the same opportunities as men, which is exactly what you mentioned in the beginning (opportunities in education and the workplace) for example.
Other than that 2cents of information. I love this video! Well done. :)
You act as if granting women the rights that men already had is an act of benevolence. Have men ever been denied the right to vote based solely on their gender? It might not be on the level of slavery but it still was a form of oppression. It should also be recognized that men were trapped in their rigid gender roles due to social stigmas, while women faced that in addition to institutional oppression.
@leeharveyosmosis Yes, men have been denied the right to vote in the US just as women have. The US allowed or denied the vote based on land ownership not based on sex. White males who didn't own land were disallowed the vote until around the time of the civil war with the last state granting all white males the vote in the late 1880's not long before women got the vote in 1920. Women's studies and the media only tells half the story and that's dangerous and leads to brainwashing and ignorance.
@leeharveyosmosis You don't seem to be listening. The variables involved in allowing voters were land ownership. In fact there were states that allowed women to vote as long as they had a certain amount of land/property. As much as women's studies may want to spin this as oppression it falls short on so many fronts. It's just spin. Women were not oppressed in the US. They were PROTECTED.
@leeharveyosmosis It wasn't oppression, sure they had less freedom but that is more because they have always been the protected class. It isn't tyranny if a man is obligated to not only provide for his family but also fight and die for them.
And as contemporary politics shows us women are more than happy to trade freedom for security. The difference is this trade is forced on the men who generally do not want it.
Women wanted suffrage and surprise they got it, yet only men fought in WW2.
This is not a competition, this is simply a verification that widespread legally ratified oppression existed on the basis of feminity. American men suffered in the world wars, but eventually many could return to a country not ravaged, in fact the economy of the US after the world wars was one of the best. Therefore I would argue that being a salient country, it was the women and children of europe who suffered the most hardships, many starving to death ( or in china militantly raped)
@tiemedown Feminists and some women been making it a competition since the 60's when it reared its ugly head. In fact feminism denied that men suffered at all and said men only had it good while women had it all bad.
It said women was the oppressed class cause the negatives that effected women, completely ignoring the ways men are (and some cases still is) oppressed.
I am not sure where in fact you have been reading feminist memorabilia. If you have only been reading 2nd wave then I can understand that impression. However, third wave feminism brought up the entire idea of gender for all, promoting class relations, gender relations and homosexual rights. Men are not oppressed legally for their gender; while men are clearly pigeonholed into certain sexual ideals, these motivations are usually from attacks on race, class or economic status.
@tiemedown Oh? So laws like VAWA, and Primary Aggressor laws that demands that men be arrested on default is not discrimination against them? What about title 9 that had many men's sports teams cut to meet the gender quota demand, and more?
The stats show that only 29 women are raped per 100,000. The cases are few, yet the only men you hear about in the media is male rapists.
There is women out there that are baby killers, but should those women be the only women we hear about in the media?
I believe we are talking about oppression. I never made the point that men have not been discriminated against, they have. And 2nd wave feminists have helped turn a potentially just action into a discriminatory action. However, I am speaking about third wave feminists. Third wave feminists have promoted studies into autism which is a statistically male dominated enigma, they are the typical openers of male shelters. Patriarchy existed in the same way as the third reich
@tiemedown The simple truth is even though those things did happen. Men died by the millions.
and in the middle-east down in Bosnia men were so disproportionately wiped out from fighting in the war that women made 70% of the population there. Yet we never hear about that from the media about the middle east. Its all about women, it always has.
When the women and children were forced to leave their homes, the men were shot and killed. Yet you never hear about that either. I can go on
Yet were men killed because they were men, or because they took up arms? while the inherent reason behind these soldiers taking arms would be masculinizing social pressures, other men are the chief suppliers of this aggression. not women, that is the issue here, for men to be oppressed they must be oppressed by women. The fact that male victimization is under-reported is less a backlash of female rights and more a revelation in male to male interaction. Men and women are sexually diminished
However, men at least had certain rights under patriarchys, unfortunate choices and difficult lives, but the pursuit of a destiny was there. ( war is diminishes all rights, it is not an good way to garner human rights of any kind. in war, men are rarely sexually assaulted in droves, women are, despite their often lack of involvement in military affairs, they actually have a rape museum in china). I do not understand the logic in attacking a group of people who have your back.
So you just think it is cause women had some bad times? Men had it bad too but in different areas of life throughout history. From being drafted into war, to tearing their bodies down with brutal labor to provide for their family.
For your information tiemedown, if those men did not "take up arms". The draft would return and they would be FORCED to pick them up anyway. The draft of which women are still excluded from by the way.
Denying patriarchy is denying hundreds of cases of literature and laws reaching back to Aristotle. Denying that is the same thing as denying the holocaust, absurdity. You continue to virulently cite the draft as an anti-male establishment, however what in fact do feminists have to do with that? Forcing men into arms existed long before women had proportionate rights and many of the original feminists were men opposed equally to gender inequalities. the sports quota is hilarious btw
I do not know where you are getting your rape statistics but they are off the mark. I would love a world in which there was less rape and less reason for 2nd wave feminists to be taken serious. However that is not the case. While women sexual predators exist, they are vastly outnumbered by male counterparts in all cultures. Also 'baby killing' seems to take precendence to you over the violent rape of (typically) children. The point is that this gender divide is ludicrious and gets nothing done
I dont think you know the meaning of the term oppression. As an American neither do I, but I can observe it historically and residing in places like Iran. Sexual discrimination is a point on which we both agree, however blaming the other gender on the basis of illogical statistics is counter productive. Oppression existed very keenly in progressionist colonizing attitudes ( for women, men of lower classes, you name it). You dont wish to be gender stereotyped, that is the same goal as feminism
and for anybody who plans to say "Well men start wars so only men should die in them."
I am going to silence you before hand.
The majority of wars were over resources, and women make 85% of the consumer base in America. Women like having access to such resources but also seek to demonize men for bringing it to them.
and such a statement spits on the graves of men, who died protecting you and your freedoms
@leeharveyosmosis Wow didn't you pay attention in school? Women were given the right to vote (White Women) before Black Men (and Women) were allowed to vote. White Women also got access to Social Security before Black People did, Stop with BS.
ok I see pictures of women in home making and nurtering roles in this video..but no mention or photos of a battered woman with her face all bruised and cut up from being beaten ...YES there are women out there who are oppressed STILL!
@SuzSeptember said: "the topic of this video is to say women are not oppressed, and that is false."
Prove it.
Keep in mind that domestic violence is not a cultural norm like homemaking and caretaking were. Also, incidence of domestic violence occurs to a small fraction of women most of whom are poor. Far from being a norm.
@Abobojo ..yes some women are still oppressed..and some men are oppressed..Im not talking about genecide or starved slaves that us extreme oppression..Im talking about battered women or men who are beaten and or killed for leaving their abusive partners that is oppression. Abused women or men is not equal to happy home makers who stay home and take care of the home. So yes opression still happens !
@SuzSeptember 1menaregood1 just, explained what oppression is and what you described is not oppression.
Its domestic violence and both men and women suffer from it on roughly the same rates, and yet the world continues to deny that men also suffer from domestic violence. The fact that the Violence Against Women Act has not yet been repealed verifies my claim.
They should either repeal it or create a male equivalent, and neither has happened.
@ManSpeakOut I know what 1menaregood explained and I know what oppression is. There are women out there (in the US who are not allowed to leave their homes and are alienated by their evil husbands) and Im not talking about muslim women. Im referring to american women(non muslims). And YES that is OPPRESSION.
@SuzSeptember In fact I think your claim is complete bogus, women are allowed to leave, the Violence Against Women Act makes sure that happens.
Men are not allowed to leave though. He can only stay. If his wife abuses him, he cannot defend himself, and if he leaves he gets robbed of his assets in divorce court, and he is called a deadbeat dad for leaving any kids behind to get away from his abusive wife.
@ManSpeakOut..my claim to husbands not allowing their wives to leave the house is true..a small percentage though..but it does happen..and yes I know some men are abused by their wives and I know men are oppressed. I never said your claims are bogus, but neither are mine.
@SuzSeptember Plus evil wives can take their children away from men, and move to an entirely different state but the law will not punish her for alienating his kids from him. He goes from being a parent, to an occasional visitor, to being a memory, and not a good one since the evil wife poisons the kids minds against him.
Family court does not enforce visitation rights, but maintains the financial obligation men must hold at gun point. (metaphorically speaking)
I realize this is simple a few groups. But it was more prevalent in the past. And I agree it is not 'men' who are doing this, but 'evil men' who have the power to do this. So my answer would be YES women have been oppressed by SOME Evil men.
@SuzSeptember yes some women do still get beaten.......but how about the men? dies out of diseases women get treated so much better then men special treatments while men don`t get anything only being degraded
it`s ok my friend the illuminati is soon to be here and us to be rescued what are feminist`s gonna do when the new world order is here? :D
prostata cancer kill`s 62% more then breast cancer proven fact learned it yesterday.
Men are the motor of civilization. But women are the motor of men! A factor which shouldn't get underestimated. It's fact that nearly every psychopath and murderer had a sick and unhealty relationship to his mother. Or got the crap beaten out of her.And thats why our society is going down. Because the value of the mother and her influence on her children is unrecognized. In most cases the television parents the children while the feministic propaganda poisons every healty environment of children
Contd. The problem with your argument is that women's studies is is not blaming individual men. It is blaming the system that favors men. You cannot deny that there is a system in place all around us that favors men (in language for example). Governments further it (i.e. feminicide in Juarez) by policy and practice. Its not any one persons fault, it is the system in place that is furthered by those in power primarily that puts women on a lower rung of society and humanity than men.
@Ayerea hmm a system that favors men? Um, yeah, you mean the one that sends the men to death in wars? The one that expects them to sacrifice for others, the one that ignores when they are raped or when they are victims of domestic violence? The one that simply doesn't acknowledge their being 80% of suicides? The one that gives their kids to the mom and forces them out of the kids lives and into paying child support. The one that cuts off their genitals shortly after birth? That system? lol
@Ayerea The only reason you view the "system" as "favouring" men is because you've never been a man and it's supportive to the rigid feminist ideology you're working to prop up. I've been to Afghanistan - have you? Thought not. Tell me how lucky I am to have been favoured by the system to go to war. Please - I'd love to hear it. Lastly, race is a physical reality. Sickle-cell anemia thinks so. So does biology at large. Do you even vet this feminist tripe before saying it? Argue gravity next.
@Ayerea The only reason you view the "system" as "favouring" men is because you've never been a man and it's supportive to the rigid feminist ideology you're working to prop up. I've been to Afghanistan - have you? Thought not. Tell me how lucky I am to have been favoured by the system to go to war. Please - I'd love to hear it. Lastly, race is a physical reality. Sickle-cell anemia thinks so. So does biology at large. Do you even vet this feminist tripe before saying it? Argue gravity next.
@GlorifiedApe Actually you're wrong. I have been. I am chromosomally male, legally I'm male and I lived for 18 years as male. While I never did identify with being male, I was forced to live it for lack of legal control of my medical options. So, I know exactly what its like to be a man in modern american society. Along with being a woman too, because I am considered female by everyone now. Also, race is socially constructed, look at the papers. (fyi, I'm a science major)
@1menaregood1 Yes I have (thus me looking feminine). It doesn't change you as much as you might think (mentally of course) I do however cry more often and for different reasons. I'm also significantly less angry. Actually I've had much more access to my emotions that before, but these were all things I wanted to happen. Really it only changes emotional responses to things, sometimes at least.
@Ayerea so estrogen has given you better access to your emotions and to your tears, you feel less angry and you think that gender is totally due to social construction? LOL! Goes both ways. I've worked with numerous women over the years who have had life threatening illnesses and needed to take doses of testosterone. They all said the same thing: "I gotta get off this stuff, it makes me tense and I can't stop thinking about sex." Yeah. Welcome to my world, the world of men. Hormones matter.
@1menaregood1 Hormones do matter. BUT what you think is "gender" is just the rules for how people should act. We classified the rules based off the most obvious difference, penis and vagina. One usually producing testosterone, one usually producing estrogen. This does NOT affect gender. Gender is the continuously played out role that we do. What gender means and its rules and expectations are constructed by society, not biology. Yes, some of these rules do follow hormones, but not everything.
@Ayerea Testosterone and estrogen are not produced by the penis and vagina. The point is that hormones are a vital part of who we are as men and women. If this wasn't so, and we were 100% products of social construction you would simply not take nor need the estrogen. But you do take it and that tells us quite a bit. We have spent nearly 40 yrs hearing the feminist BS of men and women being different only in their socialization. That has been shown to be a lie. Let's not let that crap leech in.
Not to step on your toes 1menaregood1 as you have already proven your point about men and women being different but I just had to ask Mrs/Mr Ayerea something.
Ayerea, do you honestly believe that if two infants, a male and a female, were born together and allowed to grow up with no outside influence from "society" that they would act exactly the same?
You honestly believe the boy would not develop any masculine traits and the girl feminine traits?
@Jmnzz Your feedback is welcome. The more the merrier. This sort of message needs to be shouted down by LOTS of people. When it is, others will start waking up to the lies and propaganda that have been rammed down our throats by the media, academia and of course the feminists. I may try and speed up the production of my newest vid since it deals with this issue straight up. Drawn from the latest from biology, sex differences have evolved due to our being "competitors" or "choosers."
That would be friggin awesome if you did speed up production of that video. Your videos are my favorite on youtube. Each one is airtight and spectacular.
However, don't rush too much. Great masters of a certain craft always make errors they knew wouldn't happen if they had kept to their routine of being slow and precise.
Like they say in the army, slow is smooth and smooth is fast.
While I hate the long waits in between your brilliance, the wait is well worth it.
Do you believe at some point in the past that men just "made up" masculinity and femininity in our never ending quest to keep women down?
Ok yeah I admit that last question was condescending but I mean come on. G.I. Joe and Barbie didn't exist forever and they only existed on one landmass for a certain period of time.
The entire world shares one universal similarity.
The majority of men have masculine traits and the majority of women have feminine traits.
I know you can't possibly think that sometime before recorded history, before society as we know it even existed, that masculinity and femininity were constructs of a group consciousness of men and women rather than just the actions of men and women.
The things men and women do to survive since then haven't changed that much, at least not the basic principles.
Men hunt and build things
Women reap the benefits
Sure there is some influence but no where near on the level you speak of.
for "their" women (property). Before making these movies I recommend you take some courses in the construction of gender because there is actually a lot more to the subject than most people understand.
@flyingoncloud9 Yes, there is a lot more. I would suggest you have a look at your biology and see how biology and culture mix together to influence human behaviour. Anyone who thinks it is simply social construction is fooling themselves in order to protect their favorite theories. Give it up. Take a men's studies course. Can't find one? Read some Warren Farrell, Paul Nathanson, Stephen Baskerville etc. You have been fed a diet of only one side of the story. Get both sides.
@1menaregood1 Gender is a social construction. Sex is a social construction. biology ONLY gives you certain organs and chromosomes. Race is even a social construction. Yes, there are people that have a penis, or a vagina, or somewhere in between however their expected behavior, likes/dislikes, skills etc etc are socially constructed. Read Judith Butler, I can't possibly summarize her (very well supported) argument in 500 characters.
@Ayerea I would recommend you do a little reading outside the lace curtained wall of feminism. What you will discover is that science has been identifying our biological differences and even giving us ideas about how these differences evolved. Try Male, Female: The Evolution of Human Sex Differences. It is valuable information. Feminists are now living in a time warp that refuses to see new data. Like the lady who put her fingers in her ears and said "lalala." You're not like that right?
@flyingoncloud9 Saying "their" women does not imply that women are their property, it is just how one would express that there is a close relationship between them, it's not slavery, it's English. If you say "my" friends, "my" wife, "my" husband and "my" boss, it does not mean you own them. when you say "my friend Bob", does Bob become you're slave? In the end, it is really just another of saying the women in their life.
Actually if men are to create and wage their own wars by all means it is only reasonable that the majority of casualties be male (check out the profile of the average military recruit, age 18-24, male, and gung ho for blood). The "protector" stereotype is hardly as damaging to men as the "homemaker" stereotype, opening a door for a woman is not in any way on par with cooking and cleaning for no compensation. And by the way the "protector" behavior came into being so men wouldn't fight each cont.
@flyingoncloud9 What about Judith Miller from the New York Times who spread the WMD lie for Iraq? What about Sarah Palin? What about Hillary Clinton who is gung-ho about attacking Iran? These women and others play integral parts in the war machine
By that logic I could also say that if only men start wars for rights and resources, only men are entitled to the rights and resources they sacrifice for.If only men die for oil, only men should be allowed to use gasoline. If only men build our public institutions, only men should be allowed to use them. And so on. When such logic benefits men, we call it sexism and oppression. But when it benefits women, we call it Women's Studies, and Feminism.
@flyingoncloud9 Really? "Our" wars? How about the females that supported the regimes and handed out flowers to shame men into enlisting? And they were only OUR wars, eh? All those female spies, Russian soldiers, factory workers building bombs, etc. - but it was all "our" war? Please. Again, yet another woman rephrasing history to suit the "women as eternal victim/saint" bullshit. Get a grip and show some gratitude. A dim-witted monkey can crank out a kid - try fighting a war.
I have to disagree with you on this. ALL governments are violent, and founded upon violence. Yes, every person has faced oppression in the USA, because this is what governments do. They oppress. They are oppression engines, and are oppressing both sexes even now. At this very moment, our government is oppressing people inside and outside of our nation. To say this is not so is socially irresponsible.
Government = Oppression
Watch Freedomain Radio for the truth about oppression.
@Garrett00009 This is an excellent observation. The problem is that when men "squeak" they are automatically judged as being unworthy. If a man says he is "needy" he is immediately dubbed a loser. When women claim they are needy, men will scramble to meet their needs. A man's pain is taboo while a woman's pain is a call to action. This is the unconscious and unanimous battle cry of our political leaders. Men tend to SERVE women and COMPETE with other men. You don't serve your competitor.
@1menaregood1 What needs to be done is to find a way to shake off that old male sex role "Provide and Protect". When we are providing and protecting for others, who is providing and protecting us?
@Garrett00009 wow...thats laughable.. its interesting how hypocritical a man can be..you dont want to be generalized..but you are quick to do the same thing..some men are oppressors..that is a fact....this film didnt include vioelent crimes on women wich happen every day..it is very one sided showing only average house wives that dont look like they have gone a night with out food due to a mans financial abuse. Maybe you chose to be deaf when a woman started "squeaking"...and blind too.
@ThatCougarChic This little vid tried to simply observe the middle ground that most of us consider "normalcy." All too often feminists will try and focus ONLY on the terrible things that happen to women and omit any mention of the terrible things that happen to men (war, murder etc) Many are exhausted with the double standards that have been the rule in this culture. It is time to treat both men and women with love and caring and cease the relentless womanitarian ways that are truly bigoted.
This seems like wordplay. Weather you want to use the word opression doesn't matter. They have both been discriminated against. Women's problems are middle to upper class (Can't get a profession despite qualification, or a university education despite having the cash) whereas men have suffered deadly problems. Women have been oppressed in a sense, not the same sense jews or blacks or gays or the poor were oppressed, or even how men were, but it is a form of opression. NOT LEGAL opression though!
women cant exist without oppression. Its the only way they justify the fact that they have done nothing. Women also couldn't give a shit about anyone but themselves. Having created nothing they now expect to receive nice handouts,carefully avoiding cleaning sewers,mining etc. As long as its nice and safe. The weakest people on earth. If it wasn't for their sexuality-pretty poor if you ask me-they would have been wiped out years ago. I dont think they are competent at ANYTHING. oh poor me sobsob
women have been oppressed in the USA bull shit! thats in their mind what kind of oppression gets you wedding rings and the right to half of the mans money if you leave him
Tender areas of home and hearth?!?! What on earth are you talking about??
ladyfuschia 1 month ago
@ladyfuschia Women were encouraged, (not oppressed, not forced, but encouraged) to take part in the raising of children and the nurturing.
1menaregood1 1 month ago
@1menaregood1 Like they have an option??
ladyfuschia 1 month ago
I call having a sex change as a baby in India oppression, happens every day!
Exsugarbabe1 1 month ago
I really liked this video although I'm not sure if there is a uniform defention of Oppresion. The black soilder was Israeli, Represent!
David51895 2 months ago in playlist Gender Bias
Discrimination? Yes, TODAY it's discrimination. Back then, it was considered a positive to be the man and the provider. That role had much power, because they controlled their wives and their household and could freely do any powerful occupation. Now, it's not the same. Women can't be controlled and women's roles have become more lenient and open to possibilities and men's roles have not. So in conclusion, TODAY it's discrimination, but back then, it was the greatest position to be in.
BDSandM 3 months ago
@BDSandM Would you mind me asking you a question? Are you old enough to remember the things you are describing as fact? I am old enough and can tell you straight up that what you are describing is far, far, far from what I saw with my own eyes. My fear is that you have been indoctrinated into these beliefs by others who have an agenda of reframing history in order to meet their ideological needs. So please do let us know how you came to your conclusions. Thanks.
1menaregood1 3 months ago 2
Good video
johnman1911 4 months ago
Great video!
Yazoo2564 4 months ago
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Malwina77ful 6 months ago
@Malwina77ful most men are good, most american women are not
renardo3333 4 months ago 4
so even when women are not opressed in US (in islam and other sick things like that they are) is it ok when women are discriminated?
no
why are men so sad that women finally are advancing in life and men are not having supremacy?
equality hurts you? you prefer to be superrior??? than it would be ok for you????
Malwina77ful 6 months ago
@Malwina77ful It seems you are unable to see the hardships of men and take it seriously. When someone only has compassion for their own group that is called BIGOTRY. Can you show us you have compassion for men? I doubt it. Men and boys deserve choice and compassion. At this point they have neither.
1menaregood1 6 months ago 7
this is one of the most intelligent and accurate videos on youtube! Good job, sir. Nice work! Thank you for this wonderful (truthful) presentation.
realmanallen73 6 months ago
@karlsmith00 Should have known better then to engage in an argument with you.
You do nothing but use ad hominem attacks, and make it your life's work to be a pain the ass of the people on youtube.
You are definitely in the running for the biggest troll on Youtube achievement, keep up the bad work.
As for this conversation, it ends here, I know a pointless endeavor when I see it.
ManSpeakOut 6 months ago 2
@karlsmith00 "not sit on your fat ass and leave comments on youtube. dumb bitch."
Isn't that what you do everyday? I seen you just about everywhere. Now who is the "dumb bitch" again?
Considering you make time every single day to come on to youtube and be a troll all day I think you have no right to tell someone how they should run their lives.
If I need help running my life, you would be the last I would go to, to seek help.
ManSpeakOut 6 months ago
@karlsmith00 There are several cases that shown women voting in that time period.
Most of them were women who obtained property through a deceased spouse or another relative and other means.
When they obtained that property they became eligible to vote, and they have.
ManSpeakOut 6 months ago
@karlsmith00 If I was your history teacher I would give you a big fat F right about now.
and the wage gap myth has been debunked as many times as people like you insist on its existence.
There is so many studies and reports that comes to this conclusion, only someone who is separate from reality could continue to insist it exists.
ManSpeakOut 6 months ago
feminists really believe that white women had it worse than the jews and blacks go to there channels on youtube you will see they actually believe that
crh2010 7 months ago
1menaregod1, you caricaturizing Uncle Joe as evil incarnate is steriotyping. I implore you to make your otherwise good case differently. Since it is not a good start arguing against women steriotyping men by simplisticly steriotyping a man or several men in the same instance.
hagsmunamadurinn 8 months ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Women are still being held down. In employment, men get paid much more than a woman for the exact same job.
RaeleneMcDual 9 months ago
@RaeleneMcDual
Google "wage gap myth"
Firekikro 8 months ago
@RaeleneMcDual
In which countries and industries? Do you have any proof of it? Are there no cases where a woman is being paid more for the same job than a man?
orlando098 8 months ago
@RaeleneMcDual Myths like the wage gap simply refuse to die even though they've been debunked. Read Farrells Why Men Earn More or a feminist publication like the AAUW paper which showed that prior to marriage women earn as much and even more than men at times. (This is the same conclusion as Farrell) They conclude that the wage gap, after taking into account intervening variables is more like 5% or so. Even that is an exageration, but is a start. I suggest you stop spreading misinformation.
1menaregood1 8 months ago 12
@RaeleneMcDual @ You sound like a parrot, spitting out clichés that has now been around for 12 years. And, no there are no truths in those clichés either
XxDEFLESHEDxX 8 months ago
@RaeleneMcDual not true
papertreegun 6 months ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
This whole "men are oppressed too" or whatever the fuck you're trying to say is like a fat man complaining of hunger to a starving child.
mace9008 9 months ago
@mace9008 Someone is having trouble mustering up some compassion for men and boys. Read Warren Farrell, Paul Nathanson and David Geary and say 500 menaregoods. ;>)
1menaregood1 9 months ago 15
@mace9008 , you really ARE brainwashed, sigh....
XxDEFLESHEDxX 8 months ago
@XxDEFLESHEDxX you call it brainwashed.. I call it educated. tomato.. tomawto
mace9008 8 months ago
I guess his silence on this matter must indicate he and I are on the same page now. ;)
ManSpeakOut 10 months ago
The wage gap stuff is nonsense....it is funny how women complain about making less than men, but there are actually more women with good jobs than men. Also, as with other "persecuted" groups in the US, it is silly to blame all white males living today for ills that may have occurred 50, 100, or 300 years ago. All white males in America today are not related to American colonists...and all white men aren't related to female oppressors.
saintgauden 10 months ago
No women have not been oppressed. It's just another myth of feminism. One of the aims of feminism was to put women in the workplace en masse so corporations would be able to drive down wages. When you have a surplus of millions of workers, you can always keep wages low.
clip11 10 months ago
Oh please. Just go to aauw dot org (strongly feminist org) and search for wage gap and you will find their 2007 report that admitted the gap was between 5-12%. Even this is a huge exaggeration and omits important variables but at least they are starting to come around. Interesting that the media sees the report & doesn't say women make "95 cents to a dollar" that a man makes! LOL that wouldn't be sexy now would it? Our world perseverates on women's hardships and ignores the pain of men. Fact.
1menaregood1 11 months ago 17
If someone is not free they are oppressed. This guy come from the Rockefeller fndtn? The opressors were always egomaniac men like this guy.
Rockefellars poured money into womans movement, set Gloria Steinham up for an agenda. To make women feel guilty for nuturing their own children is oppression of the cruelest kind. They wanted kids in daycare younger for indoctrination and they could tax the other half of the nation. Women are more enslaved than they ever were. Kick this guy in the ass!
LadyStonecut 11 months ago
Marilyn Frye made it clear in "Oppression" this is a word that should not be thrown around wildly--used to describe situations when people are miserable or suffering. She lists basic features of oppressed people, one, a double bind, options reduced opening one to penalty, censure or deprivation--not given choices, life shaped by forces, barriers systemically instituted to keep you in place. reconsider women's plight. damned if you do, damned if you don't. silenced. invisible. kept down-ironed.
budoaunte 1 year ago
HAve women been oppressed? Absolutely. How stupid are you guys?
upabittoolate 1 year ago
@upabittoolate I think he's trying to say that "oppress" is a bit too strong a word, "discriminated" maybe, but "oppressed" is too strong.
robertsfunny1995 1 year ago
@robertsfunny1995 Oppressed is a perfectly appropriate word. Why is this even a conversation?
upabittoolate 1 year ago
@upabittoolate I don't know, but isn't oppression more heavy? Jeez, it's not like woman are in concentration camps or some crap like that...
robertsfunny1995 1 year ago
Hmm. No suffrage? No rights to abortion? Less pay? No domestic violence laws to protect them from abuse? The expectation of being an incubator & babysitter rather than a breadwinner? The assumption that they're emotional creatures rather than capable peers? In certain parts of the world, a woman can't report a rape unless her husband & 6 other men bear witness? Rosie the Riveter helped win WWII but when her husband came home, she was expected to get back in the kitchen?
That's oppression.
upabittoolate 1 year ago
@upabittoolate 1st thing, THEY ARE NOT SLAVES. They have plenty of freedom, it's not like they are on chains or something, and 2nd: rights to abortion? you approve of killing babies just for women's rights? Kind of selfish... And the video is about discrimination in the USA. In OTHER parts of the world things are that f***ed up, but here, they're focusing mostly on the United States.
robertsfunny1995 1 year ago
@robertsfunny1995 They aren't slaves now. They're experiencing a lot of new freedoms here in the Western world but that's a far cry from where they have been. Furthermore, you're not using historical context NOR are you paying any regard to the women on the rest of the world.
upabittoolate 1 year ago
@upabittoolate That's because the video is about how things are in the UNITED STATES. I'm not doing that to make you look or feel stupid, I just want to get my point across.
robertsfunny1995 1 year ago
@robertsfunny1995 You're not making anyone feel stupid. I'd have to BE stupid to feel that way & "stupid" doesn't make the short list of words to describe me. MLK once said an injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere. So it doesn't really matter if this video is contextualized by the locus of the US. For that matter, the US ain't so great to women either. In this country's 240yr history, only 3 women have been nominated as major party candidates and THAT was only for VP.
upabittoolate 1 year ago
Do you realize that women weren't even considered citizens in this country until 1920? Do you realize that abortion rights, a serious health issue, are constantly under attack from the right wing? Must I mention how backward the Fundamentalist Mormons (an AMERICAN religion) are toward their women? My friend, these are marks of oppression. Don't get me wrong, I'm probably more of a "macho man" than you may think. But I understand what Lennon meant when he said "Woman is the Nigger of the World".
upabittoolate 1 year ago
@upabittoolate dude, abortion rights? The right to kill your own child? I mean, if domestic violence should be illegal why should it be legal to kill your own child?
robertsfunny1995 1 year ago
@robertsfunny1995 It's not killing a child. It's surgical disposing of an unwanted pregnancy. Make the distinction becuase if you don't you'll get into the same confusion at the "right to life" crowd. Why isn't domestic violence legal? Because the victim is already HERE.
Use your head.
upabittoolate 1 year ago
@upabittoolate it basically is, just because the baby is unborn doesn't make it less human. I mean, you wouldn't shoot a child. So what makes it right to kill it just because it hasn't come out yet?
robertsfunny1995 1 year ago
@robertsfunny1995 It basically ISN'T. There's times when women birth something that's far from being a viable human being. Furthermore, there's a range when a fetus can't even be self-sustained. Abortion is NOT killing a child because you can't argue potentiality. When you eat an omelette or a cookie, are you eating chicken? Has the boulder at the top of the hill crushed the village yet?
Abortion isn't the end of the world. Ultimately it's STILL a woman's choice. You're too dim to get that.
upabittoolate 1 year ago
@upabittoolate women have suffrage, they have right to abortion, about the pay gap it is much more complex than the 'misogynism' fanboys n girls want us to belive. Women are also breadwinner and we have good intellectuals and scientist. So the 'oppression' myth is just a myth.
Kenshiroit 11 months ago
@Kenshiroit Explain the pay gap. When did women get suffrage? When did women get the right to legal abortions? You're acting like these have always been regular entitlements. That's far from being correct. Women are still oppressed.
upabittoolate 11 months ago
@upabittoolate no women r not oppressed at least not in western countryes. About the pay gap myth as I told u is more complex matter. That goes from personal choices to negotiations to work hour, to the kind of jobs chosen ect. Men tend to work for more hours (like take more over work hours), while women tend to take more time of ect. In some areas women also make more than men. Men chosing more dangerous job (who pays more) while women chose usually other jobs with lower pay. so it's more- cont
Kenshiroit 11 months ago
@Kenshiroit -cont complex that include personal choices and experience rather than just 'women r oppressed' therefore they make less kinda of argument.
Kenshiroit 11 months ago
@Kenshiroit You can barely spell or use grammar. I doubt you can give me some elaborate qualification for the pay gap. Dude, women are oppressed. I've presented my evidence. Make your case or shut up.
upabittoolate 11 months ago
@upabittoolate ok I dont mind people "praising" my "superior English spelling talent. because, this is YT u have a limited space, so u have do sintetice everything. Second im not a English speaker. Third u talk like a sexually disturbet teenager, look at my evidence and add it also 'US dept of labor, consad 2009 report'. In conclusion, I have my case, u have nada but an opinion. Finally, I dont like when people say shut up. U shut up and uh, u'r up too late, go to bed otherwise daddy get angry
Kenshiroit 11 months ago
@upabittoolate You are poorly informed. The wage gap has been determined to be almost totally related to choices, NOT DISCRIMINATION. Even feminist groups like the AAUW have come out and stated that the portion of the wage gap that is unexplained is only a tiny fraction. Hell, young girls out of college are making MORE than their male counterparts. Read Warren Farrell's book "Why Men Earn More" to become informed on this topic. At this point your posts are more about ideology than facts.
1menaregood1 11 months ago
@1menaregood1 When a person is in need of a job; the choice is limited. YOU are poorly informed. C'mon man, at least present a reasonable argument. Reading 1 book & following Farrell's bad premise (women have more of a "choice") is NOT presenting facts vs ideology. You're presenting YOUR ideology.
Make your case or shut up..
upabittoolate 11 months ago
@upabittoolate Women aren't oppressed and never were in this country.
YoungnRomantic 10 months ago
@YoungnRomantic The sky isn't blue. Water isn't wet. New York is a small town.
Moron.
upabittoolate 10 months ago
@upabittoolate The "pay gap" is only a snapshot of average yearly full-time incomes. It does not account for overtime, type of work, or other factors. It only exists because men work more hours at high-stress jobs they hate with longer commutes, less flexibility, more physical risk, etc. just to be breadwinners and feed their families, only to die younger and get bashed for "earning more."
ManSpeakOut 10 months ago
@upabittoolate The US Department of Labor itself says the wage gap myth is a lie, what more does it take for your stubborn ass to see the truth? Are you that weak-minded to get brainwashed this badly, if you're a woman you bring great shame to real women everywhere.
ManSpeakOut 10 months ago
@ManSpeakOut The Department of Labor has actually CONFIRMED the wage gap. Don't lie.
upabittoolate 10 months ago
@upabittoolate Incorrect, did you even read the report at all or at least read articles about the report on the internet. They say there is no wage gap when you put all factors into the equation, you are either lying or have your head up your ass.
ManSpeakOut 10 months ago
@upabittoolate There I sent you like 2 or 3 links so what do you say about the report now?
ManSpeakOut 10 months ago
Seems that the act of 'women stretching the truth' is not only in the US, but the rest of the globe as well....
khan507 1 year ago
tiemedown said: "for men to be oppressed they must be oppressed by women."
Can you please offer the reasons you have used to come to this conclusion? To me this looks like grade b bigotry in valuing the pain of one group as worthy and devaluing the pain of another group as unworthy. Perhaps you can explain.
1menaregood1 1 year ago 3
This is not an issue of semantics. Observing that androcentricism exists even today in biological textbooks is not an expression against the individual man. Society has been groomed in a nationalistic light, wherein reproduction of white couples of desired, therefore any 'hostility' towards this ( educated women who marry later and have less children, gay individuals, minorities) all of these things will be statistically hammered under the guise of science and 'family values'.
tiemedown 1 year ago
A psychologist named Money posited in the 70s the women's sexuality was inherent on the ideal of a male counterpart, and that clitoral stimulation was unnatural. This idea was utilized against lesbian women in the form of 'corrective rapes'. Historically women have been oppressed as " an aggressive sexual reservoir" the same dogma is true today in Iran. Forgetting these tragedies does noone good. The guise of protection is a guise, the same literature was used in colonist atrocities.
tiemedown 1 year ago
suffering Olympics doesn't discount any players sufferings.
BoneDancerF 1 year ago
I find that in "women's studies," oppression is aligned with inequal treatment. Such as not having the same opportunities as men, which is exactly what you mentioned in the beginning (opportunities in education and the workplace) for example.
Other than that 2cents of information. I love this video! Well done. :)
lovelyladynostalgic 1 year ago
actually the very definition of oppression includes the phrase "the feeling of being oppressed, burdened, in mind or body...." etc etc.
so apparently just "feeling" oppressed makes you oppressed.
damn i feel depressingly oppressed lol
can i get my social kickbacks now?
knowthingman 1 year ago
lol...funny..this guys only talking about a certain type of woman.
kmcl11 1 year ago
You act as if granting women the rights that men already had is an act of benevolence. Have men ever been denied the right to vote based solely on their gender? It might not be on the level of slavery but it still was a form of oppression. It should also be recognized that men were trapped in their rigid gender roles due to social stigmas, while women faced that in addition to institutional oppression.
leeharveyosmosis 1 year ago
@leeharveyosmosis Yes, men have been denied the right to vote in the US just as women have. The US allowed or denied the vote based on land ownership not based on sex. White males who didn't own land were disallowed the vote until around the time of the civil war with the last state granting all white males the vote in the late 1880's not long before women got the vote in 1920. Women's studies and the media only tells half the story and that's dangerous and leads to brainwashing and ignorance.
1menaregood1 1 year ago 16
@1menaregood1
Have men ever been denied the right to vote based solely on their gender?
leeharveyosmosis 1 year ago
@leeharveyosmosis You don't seem to be listening. The variables involved in allowing voters were land ownership. In fact there were states that allowed women to vote as long as they had a certain amount of land/property. As much as women's studies may want to spin this as oppression it falls short on so many fronts. It's just spin. Women were not oppressed in the US. They were PROTECTED.
1menaregood1 1 year ago
@1menaregood1
one of the variables was gender too..otherwise why would the 19th ammendment need to be introduced?....and why did a suffrage movement exist?
leeharveyosmosis 1 year ago
@leeharveyosmosis It wasn't oppression, sure they had less freedom but that is more because they have always been the protected class. It isn't tyranny if a man is obligated to not only provide for his family but also fight and die for them.
And as contemporary politics shows us women are more than happy to trade freedom for security. The difference is this trade is forced on the men who generally do not want it.
Women wanted suffrage and surprise they got it, yet only men fought in WW2.
1Scattered 1 year ago
@1menaregood1 bullshit.
all men voted until the 1920s. stop your revisionist history you whiny uneducated male.
karlsmith00 6 months ago
@karlsmith00 You're the one thats full of shit.
Voting at first discriminated against the poor.
Only rich people who owned land could vote, which also included women if they too met the land ownership requirement.
When men got the full right to vote, women got it 30 years later.
Those 30 years is the only time period you can point to as valid discrimination.
Looks like someone needs to go back to school and relearn history. I knew this since school....
ManSpeakOut 6 months ago
@leeharveyosmosis Have millions of women been sent off to die in wars while the men lived comfortably at home? I don't think so.
Women not being able to work or vote may have been bad, no offense but despite how much women suffered, men suffered at magnitudes much greater.
World War 1 and 2 were possibly the worst events human kind as ever faced, and it was only men who had to fight and die through it.
In fact men were shot if they could not perform to military standards, on a hell on earth.
ManSpeakOut 1 year ago
This is not a competition, this is simply a verification that widespread legally ratified oppression existed on the basis of feminity. American men suffered in the world wars, but eventually many could return to a country not ravaged, in fact the economy of the US after the world wars was one of the best. Therefore I would argue that being a salient country, it was the women and children of europe who suffered the most hardships, many starving to death ( or in china militantly raped)
tiemedown 1 year ago
@tiemedown Feminists and some women been making it a competition since the 60's when it reared its ugly head. In fact feminism denied that men suffered at all and said men only had it good while women had it all bad.
It said women was the oppressed class cause the negatives that effected women, completely ignoring the ways men are (and some cases still is) oppressed.
ManSpeakOut 1 year ago
I am not sure where in fact you have been reading feminist memorabilia. If you have only been reading 2nd wave then I can understand that impression. However, third wave feminism brought up the entire idea of gender for all, promoting class relations, gender relations and homosexual rights. Men are not oppressed legally for their gender; while men are clearly pigeonholed into certain sexual ideals, these motivations are usually from attacks on race, class or economic status.
tiemedown 1 year ago
@tiemedown Oh? So laws like VAWA, and Primary Aggressor laws that demands that men be arrested on default is not discrimination against them? What about title 9 that had many men's sports teams cut to meet the gender quota demand, and more?
The stats show that only 29 women are raped per 100,000. The cases are few, yet the only men you hear about in the media is male rapists.
There is women out there that are baby killers, but should those women be the only women we hear about in the media?
ManSpeakOut 1 year ago
I believe we are talking about oppression. I never made the point that men have not been discriminated against, they have. And 2nd wave feminists have helped turn a potentially just action into a discriminatory action. However, I am speaking about third wave feminists. Third wave feminists have promoted studies into autism which is a statistically male dominated enigma, they are the typical openers of male shelters. Patriarchy existed in the same way as the third reich
tiemedown 1 year ago
@tiemedown The simple truth is even though those things did happen. Men died by the millions.
and in the middle-east down in Bosnia men were so disproportionately wiped out from fighting in the war that women made 70% of the population there. Yet we never hear about that from the media about the middle east. Its all about women, it always has.
When the women and children were forced to leave their homes, the men were shot and killed. Yet you never hear about that either. I can go on
ManSpeakOut 1 year ago
Yet were men killed because they were men, or because they took up arms? while the inherent reason behind these soldiers taking arms would be masculinizing social pressures, other men are the chief suppliers of this aggression. not women, that is the issue here, for men to be oppressed they must be oppressed by women. The fact that male victimization is under-reported is less a backlash of female rights and more a revelation in male to male interaction. Men and women are sexually diminished
tiemedown 1 year ago
However, men at least had certain rights under patriarchys, unfortunate choices and difficult lives, but the pursuit of a destiny was there. ( war is diminishes all rights, it is not an good way to garner human rights of any kind. in war, men are rarely sexually assaulted in droves, women are, despite their often lack of involvement in military affairs, they actually have a rape museum in china). I do not understand the logic in attacking a group of people who have your back.
tiemedown 1 year ago
@tiemedown There never was a patriarchy.
So you just think it is cause women had some bad times? Men had it bad too but in different areas of life throughout history. From being drafted into war, to tearing their bodies down with brutal labor to provide for their family.
For your information tiemedown, if those men did not "take up arms". The draft would return and they would be FORCED to pick them up anyway. The draft of which women are still excluded from by the way.
ManSpeakOut 1 year ago
Denying patriarchy is denying hundreds of cases of literature and laws reaching back to Aristotle. Denying that is the same thing as denying the holocaust, absurdity. You continue to virulently cite the draft as an anti-male establishment, however what in fact do feminists have to do with that? Forcing men into arms existed long before women had proportionate rights and many of the original feminists were men opposed equally to gender inequalities. the sports quota is hilarious btw
tiemedown 1 year ago
I do not know where you are getting your rape statistics but they are off the mark. I would love a world in which there was less rape and less reason for 2nd wave feminists to be taken serious. However that is not the case. While women sexual predators exist, they are vastly outnumbered by male counterparts in all cultures. Also 'baby killing' seems to take precendence to you over the violent rape of (typically) children. The point is that this gender divide is ludicrious and gets nothing done
tiemedown 1 year ago
I dont think you know the meaning of the term oppression. As an American neither do I, but I can observe it historically and residing in places like Iran. Sexual discrimination is a point on which we both agree, however blaming the other gender on the basis of illogical statistics is counter productive. Oppression existed very keenly in progressionist colonizing attitudes ( for women, men of lower classes, you name it). You dont wish to be gender stereotyped, that is the same goal as feminism
tiemedown 1 year ago
and for anybody who plans to say "Well men start wars so only men should die in them."
I am going to silence you before hand.
The majority of wars were over resources, and women make 85% of the consumer base in America. Women like having access to such resources but also seek to demonize men for bringing it to them.
and such a statement spits on the graves of men, who died protecting you and your freedoms
ManSpeakOut 1 year ago
@leeharveyosmosis Wow didn't you pay attention in school? Women were given the right to vote (White Women) before Black Men (and Women) were allowed to vote. White Women also got access to Social Security before Black People did, Stop with BS.
dj4monie 1 year ago
@dj4monie
I assumed we were talking about gender inequalities and not racial inequalities.
leeharveyosmosis 1 year ago
ok I see pictures of women in home making and nurtering roles in this video..but no mention or photos of a battered woman with her face all bruised and cut up from being beaten ...YES there are women out there who are oppressed STILL!
SuzSeptember 1 year ago
@SuzSeptember But that wasn't the topic of this video. It was speaking generally.
And FYI: domestic violence is committed nearly equally by both men and women.
NerfDeathcoil 1 year ago
@NerfDeathcoil ..the topic of this video is to say women are not oppressed, and that is false.
SuzSeptember 1 year ago
@SuzSeptember said: "the topic of this video is to say women are not oppressed, and that is false."
Prove it.
Keep in mind that domestic violence is not a cultural norm like homemaking and caretaking were. Also, incidence of domestic violence occurs to a small fraction of women most of whom are poor. Far from being a norm.
1menaregood1 1 year ago
@1menaregood1 I would like your thoughts on this...
Okay well youtube doesn't like links so google Time Polygamy Survivor Carolyn Jessop
And I would agree it is Evil Men involve. Myself I was lucky to find a wonderful man! :D
Photobunce 1 year ago
@SuzSeptember women....are.....not....opressed. At all.
Abobojo 1 year ago
@Abobojo ..yes some women are still oppressed..and some men are oppressed..Im not talking about genecide or starved slaves that us extreme oppression..Im talking about battered women or men who are beaten and or killed for leaving their abusive partners that is oppression. Abused women or men is not equal to happy home makers who stay home and take care of the home. So yes opression still happens !
SuzSeptember 1 year ago
@SuzSeptember 1menaregood1 just, explained what oppression is and what you described is not oppression.
Its domestic violence and both men and women suffer from it on roughly the same rates, and yet the world continues to deny that men also suffer from domestic violence. The fact that the Violence Against Women Act has not yet been repealed verifies my claim.
They should either repeal it or create a male equivalent, and neither has happened.
ManSpeakOut 1 year ago
@ManSpeakOut I know what 1menaregood explained and I know what oppression is. There are women out there (in the US who are not allowed to leave their homes and are alienated by their evil husbands) and Im not talking about muslim women. Im referring to american women(non muslims). And YES that is OPPRESSION.
SuzSeptember 1 year ago
@SuzSeptember Oh really, would you care to point out these "evil husbands" that do this? I would like to see a few examples.
ManSpeakOut 1 year ago
@SuzSeptember as for oppression of men in this country, visit my channel
I got over 270 videos to back up my claims.
ManSpeakOut 1 year ago
@SuzSeptember In fact I think your claim is complete bogus, women are allowed to leave, the Violence Against Women Act makes sure that happens.
Men are not allowed to leave though. He can only stay. If his wife abuses him, he cannot defend himself, and if he leaves he gets robbed of his assets in divorce court, and he is called a deadbeat dad for leaving any kids behind to get away from his abusive wife.
ManSpeakOut 1 year ago
@ManSpeakOut..my claim to husbands not allowing their wives to leave the house is true..a small percentage though..but it does happen..and yes I know some men are abused by their wives and I know men are oppressed. I never said your claims are bogus, but neither are mine.
SuzSeptember 1 year ago
@SuzSeptember Plus evil wives can take their children away from men, and move to an entirely different state but the law will not punish her for alienating his kids from him. He goes from being a parent, to an occasional visitor, to being a memory, and not a good one since the evil wife poisons the kids minds against him.
Family court does not enforce visitation rights, but maintains the financial obligation men must hold at gun point. (metaphorically speaking)
ManSpeakOut 1 year ago
@SuzSeptember @1menaregood1 Hey have you heard of anything going on in Colorado City?
I realize this is simple a few groups. But it was more prevalent in the past. And I agree it is not 'men' who are doing this, but 'evil men' who have the power to do this. So my answer would be YES women have been oppressed by SOME Evil men.
Photobunce 1 year ago
@SuzSeptember yes some women do still get beaten.......but how about the men? dies out of diseases women get treated so much better then men special treatments while men don`t get anything only being degraded
it`s ok my friend the illuminati is soon to be here and us to be rescued what are feminist`s gonna do when the new world order is here? :D
prostata cancer kill`s 62% more then breast cancer proven fact learned it yesterday.
but is it known as breast cancer?
death to feminism.
fuckturks2223 1 year ago
a very good video, as always by 1manaregood1
TheVerySpecialThommy 1 year ago
Men are the motor of civilization. But women are the motor of men! A factor which shouldn't get underestimated. It's fact that nearly every psychopath and murderer had a sick and unhealty relationship to his mother. Or got the crap beaten out of her.And thats why our society is going down. Because the value of the mother and her influence on her children is unrecognized. In most cases the television parents the children while the feministic propaganda poisons every healty environment of children
SubSurreal 1 year ago
@SubSurreal said above: Men are the motor of civilization. But women are the motor of men! A factor which shouldn't get underestimated.
VERY Well Said!! Thank you.
1menaregood1 1 year ago
@1menaregood1 I'll tell you this..no woman is mine. My motor. No person for that matter.
Abobojo 1 year ago
Oppression–noun
1.
the exercise of authority or power in a burdensome, cruel, or unjust manner.
2.
an act or instance of oppressing.
3.
the state of being oppressed.
4.
the feeling of being heavily burdened, mentally or physically, by troubles, adverse conditions, anxiety, etc.
Your definition of oppression only takes into account part of it (note the word mentally in the definition).
Ayerea 1 year ago
Contd. The problem with your argument is that women's studies is is not blaming individual men. It is blaming the system that favors men. You cannot deny that there is a system in place all around us that favors men (in language for example). Governments further it (i.e. feminicide in Juarez) by policy and practice. Its not any one persons fault, it is the system in place that is furthered by those in power primarily that puts women on a lower rung of society and humanity than men.
Ayerea 1 year ago
@Ayerea hmm a system that favors men? Um, yeah, you mean the one that sends the men to death in wars? The one that expects them to sacrifice for others, the one that ignores when they are raped or when they are victims of domestic violence? The one that simply doesn't acknowledge their being 80% of suicides? The one that gives their kids to the mom and forces them out of the kids lives and into paying child support. The one that cuts off their genitals shortly after birth? That system? lol
1menaregood1 1 year ago
@Ayerea The only reason you view the "system" as "favouring" men is because you've never been a man and it's supportive to the rigid feminist ideology you're working to prop up. I've been to Afghanistan - have you? Thought not. Tell me how lucky I am to have been favoured by the system to go to war. Please - I'd love to hear it. Lastly, race is a physical reality. Sickle-cell anemia thinks so. So does biology at large. Do you even vet this feminist tripe before saying it? Argue gravity next.
GlorifiedApe 1 year ago
@Ayerea The only reason you view the "system" as "favouring" men is because you've never been a man and it's supportive to the rigid feminist ideology you're working to prop up. I've been to Afghanistan - have you? Thought not. Tell me how lucky I am to have been favoured by the system to go to war. Please - I'd love to hear it. Lastly, race is a physical reality. Sickle-cell anemia thinks so. So does biology at large. Do you even vet this feminist tripe before saying it? Argue gravity next.
GlorifiedApe 1 year ago
@GlorifiedApe Actually you're wrong. I have been. I am chromosomally male, legally I'm male and I lived for 18 years as male. While I never did identify with being male, I was forced to live it for lack of legal control of my medical options. So, I know exactly what its like to be a man in modern american society. Along with being a woman too, because I am considered female by everyone now. Also, race is socially constructed, look at the papers. (fyi, I'm a science major)
Ayerea 1 year ago
@Ayerea Interesting. Have you been taking estrogens or other hormones/drugs to aid your switch? If so, can you tell us how it made you feel?
1menaregood1 1 year ago
@1menaregood1 Yes I have (thus me looking feminine). It doesn't change you as much as you might think (mentally of course) I do however cry more often and for different reasons. I'm also significantly less angry. Actually I've had much more access to my emotions that before, but these were all things I wanted to happen. Really it only changes emotional responses to things, sometimes at least.
Ayerea 1 year ago
@Ayerea so estrogen has given you better access to your emotions and to your tears, you feel less angry and you think that gender is totally due to social construction? LOL! Goes both ways. I've worked with numerous women over the years who have had life threatening illnesses and needed to take doses of testosterone. They all said the same thing: "I gotta get off this stuff, it makes me tense and I can't stop thinking about sex." Yeah. Welcome to my world, the world of men. Hormones matter.
1menaregood1 1 year ago
@1menaregood1 Hormones do matter. BUT what you think is "gender" is just the rules for how people should act. We classified the rules based off the most obvious difference, penis and vagina. One usually producing testosterone, one usually producing estrogen. This does NOT affect gender. Gender is the continuously played out role that we do. What gender means and its rules and expectations are constructed by society, not biology. Yes, some of these rules do follow hormones, but not everything.
Ayerea 1 year ago
@Ayerea Testosterone and estrogen are not produced by the penis and vagina. The point is that hormones are a vital part of who we are as men and women. If this wasn't so, and we were 100% products of social construction you would simply not take nor need the estrogen. But you do take it and that tells us quite a bit. We have spent nearly 40 yrs hearing the feminist BS of men and women being different only in their socialization. That has been shown to be a lie. Let's not let that crap leech in.
1menaregood1 1 year ago
@Ayerea
Not to step on your toes 1menaregood1 as you have already proven your point about men and women being different but I just had to ask Mrs/Mr Ayerea something.
Ayerea, do you honestly believe that if two infants, a male and a female, were born together and allowed to grow up with no outside influence from "society" that they would act exactly the same?
You honestly believe the boy would not develop any masculine traits and the girl feminine traits?
Jmnzz 1 year ago
@Jmnzz Your feedback is welcome. The more the merrier. This sort of message needs to be shouted down by LOTS of people. When it is, others will start waking up to the lies and propaganda that have been rammed down our throats by the media, academia and of course the feminists. I may try and speed up the production of my newest vid since it deals with this issue straight up. Drawn from the latest from biology, sex differences have evolved due to our being "competitors" or "choosers."
1menaregood1 1 year ago
@1menaregood1
That would be friggin awesome if you did speed up production of that video. Your videos are my favorite on youtube. Each one is airtight and spectacular.
However, don't rush too much. Great masters of a certain craft always make errors they knew wouldn't happen if they had kept to their routine of being slow and precise.
Like they say in the army, slow is smooth and smooth is fast.
While I hate the long waits in between your brilliance, the wait is well worth it.
Jmnzz 1 year ago
@Ayerea
Do you believe at some point in the past that men just "made up" masculinity and femininity in our never ending quest to keep women down?
Ok yeah I admit that last question was condescending but I mean come on. G.I. Joe and Barbie didn't exist forever and they only existed on one landmass for a certain period of time.
The entire world shares one universal similarity.
The majority of men have masculine traits and the majority of women have feminine traits.
Jmnzz 1 year ago
@Ayerea
I know you can't possibly think that sometime before recorded history, before society as we know it even existed, that masculinity and femininity were constructs of a group consciousness of men and women rather than just the actions of men and women.
The things men and women do to survive since then haven't changed that much, at least not the basic principles.
Men hunt and build things
Women reap the benefits
Sure there is some influence but no where near on the level you speak of.
Jmnzz 1 year ago
This is a good video
dubified89 1 year ago
men are opressed in a bad way, women where opressed in the "we want what you have" oppression
majikstranger 1 year ago
for "their" women (property). Before making these movies I recommend you take some courses in the construction of gender because there is actually a lot more to the subject than most people understand.
flyingoncloud9 1 year ago
@flyingoncloud9 Yes, there is a lot more. I would suggest you have a look at your biology and see how biology and culture mix together to influence human behaviour. Anyone who thinks it is simply social construction is fooling themselves in order to protect their favorite theories. Give it up. Take a men's studies course. Can't find one? Read some Warren Farrell, Paul Nathanson, Stephen Baskerville etc. You have been fed a diet of only one side of the story. Get both sides.
1menaregood1 1 year ago
@1menaregood1 Gender is a social construction. Sex is a social construction. biology ONLY gives you certain organs and chromosomes. Race is even a social construction. Yes, there are people that have a penis, or a vagina, or somewhere in between however their expected behavior, likes/dislikes, skills etc etc are socially constructed. Read Judith Butler, I can't possibly summarize her (very well supported) argument in 500 characters.
Ayerea 1 year ago
@Ayerea I would recommend you do a little reading outside the lace curtained wall of feminism. What you will discover is that science has been identifying our biological differences and even giving us ideas about how these differences evolved. Try Male, Female: The Evolution of Human Sex Differences. It is valuable information. Feminists are now living in a time warp that refuses to see new data. Like the lady who put her fingers in her ears and said "lalala." You're not like that right?
1menaregood1 1 year ago
@flyingoncloud9 Saying "their" women does not imply that women are their property, it is just how one would express that there is a close relationship between them, it's not slavery, it's English. If you say "my" friends, "my" wife, "my" husband and "my" boss, it does not mean you own them. when you say "my friend Bob", does Bob become you're slave? In the end, it is really just another of saying the women in their life.
TheResoluteTyrant 1 year ago
@TheResoluteTyrant yeah that's a ridiculous comment. As if no one's heard a woman talk about her man before
dubified89 1 year ago
Actually if men are to create and wage their own wars by all means it is only reasonable that the majority of casualties be male (check out the profile of the average military recruit, age 18-24, male, and gung ho for blood). The "protector" stereotype is hardly as damaging to men as the "homemaker" stereotype, opening a door for a woman is not in any way on par with cooking and cleaning for no compensation. And by the way the "protector" behavior came into being so men wouldn't fight each cont.
flyingoncloud9 1 year ago
@flyingoncloud9 Looks like you need to develop a little gratefulness to the men who have died protecting your freedoms.
1menaregood1 1 year ago 9
@1menaregood1 terrible response
dubified89 1 year ago
@flyingoncloud9 What about Judith Miller from the New York Times who spread the WMD lie for Iraq? What about Sarah Palin? What about Hillary Clinton who is gung-ho about attacking Iran? These women and others play integral parts in the war machine
dubified89 1 year ago
Ann Coulter, Michelle Backman, etc.
dubified89 1 year ago
@flyingoncloud9
By that logic I could also say that if only men start wars for rights and resources, only men are entitled to the rights and resources they sacrifice for.If only men die for oil, only men should be allowed to use gasoline. If only men build our public institutions, only men should be allowed to use them. And so on. When such logic benefits men, we call it sexism and oppression. But when it benefits women, we call it Women's Studies, and Feminism.
Gogonostop 1 year ago
@flyingoncloud9 Really? "Our" wars? How about the females that supported the regimes and handed out flowers to shame men into enlisting? And they were only OUR wars, eh? All those female spies, Russian soldiers, factory workers building bombs, etc. - but it was all "our" war? Please. Again, yet another woman rephrasing history to suit the "women as eternal victim/saint" bullshit. Get a grip and show some gratitude. A dim-witted monkey can crank out a kid - try fighting a war.
GlorifiedApe 1 year ago
I have to disagree with you on this. ALL governments are violent, and founded upon violence. Yes, every person has faced oppression in the USA, because this is what governments do. They oppress. They are oppression engines, and are oppressing both sexes even now. At this very moment, our government is oppressing people inside and outside of our nation. To say this is not so is socially irresponsible.
Government = Oppression
Watch Freedomain Radio for the truth about oppression.
daimonmagus 1 year ago
Type: "The Consequences Of Feminism" into the search box here. Get a massive dose of truth in one small hit.
DumblyBrilliant 1 year ago
Ever heard of the saying "The squeaky wheel gets the oil."?
Mens wheel barely squeaks and is often overlooked because of that.
While women's wheel squeaking is so loud you go deaf listening to it for just a short period of time.
Men, time to get our wheel squeaking, time to be heard.
Garrett00009 1 year ago 13
@Garrett00009 This is an excellent observation. The problem is that when men "squeak" they are automatically judged as being unworthy. If a man says he is "needy" he is immediately dubbed a loser. When women claim they are needy, men will scramble to meet their needs. A man's pain is taboo while a woman's pain is a call to action. This is the unconscious and unanimous battle cry of our political leaders. Men tend to SERVE women and COMPETE with other men. You don't serve your competitor.
1menaregood1 1 year ago
@1menaregood1 What needs to be done is to find a way to shake off that old male sex role "Provide and Protect". When we are providing and protecting for others, who is providing and protecting us?
Garrett00009 1 year ago
@1menaregood1 you have insight into this matter all i know is women have it both ways and then some.
PARKEREAL 1 year ago
@Garrett00009 wow...thats laughable.. its interesting how hypocritical a man can be..you dont want to be generalized..but you are quick to do the same thing..some men are oppressors..that is a fact....this film didnt include vioelent crimes on women wich happen every day..it is very one sided showing only average house wives that dont look like they have gone a night with out food due to a mans financial abuse. Maybe you chose to be deaf when a woman started "squeaking"...and blind too.
ThatCougarChic 1 year ago
@ThatCougarChic This little vid tried to simply observe the middle ground that most of us consider "normalcy." All too often feminists will try and focus ONLY on the terrible things that happen to women and omit any mention of the terrible things that happen to men (war, murder etc) Many are exhausted with the double standards that have been the rule in this culture. It is time to treat both men and women with love and caring and cease the relentless womanitarian ways that are truly bigoted.
1menaregood1 1 year ago
This seems like wordplay. Weather you want to use the word opression doesn't matter. They have both been discriminated against. Women's problems are middle to upper class (Can't get a profession despite qualification, or a university education despite having the cash) whereas men have suffered deadly problems. Women have been oppressed in a sense, not the same sense jews or blacks or gays or the poor were oppressed, or even how men were, but it is a form of opression. NOT LEGAL opression though!
unassumption 1 year ago
women cant exist without oppression. Its the only way they justify the fact that they have done nothing. Women also couldn't give a shit about anyone but themselves. Having created nothing they now expect to receive nice handouts,carefully avoiding cleaning sewers,mining etc. As long as its nice and safe. The weakest people on earth. If it wasn't for their sexuality-pretty poor if you ask me-they would have been wiped out years ago. I dont think they are competent at ANYTHING. oh poor me sobsob
DAVIDFREDERICKROY 1 year ago
So true!
Thanks for making such a high quality video.
LucyFem3 1 year ago
women have been oppressed in the USA bull shit! thats in their mind what kind of oppression gets you wedding rings and the right to half of the mans money if you leave him
Cutup663 1 year ago