negative punishment?? i saw positive punishment. positive because you + something ie pain. punishment because it decreases behaviour.... ummm basic operant conditioning!!!
"lets ignore science and use bully tactics"
but yes aversive training does work and it is possible to title in any sport with a combination of (P+)(P-)(+R)(-R) the R stands for Reinforcement by the way ;-) these dogs are so driven by bites or balls you have the biggest possible R+ but you chose the prong collar F****g bullys
the proof is in the pudding, dogs the are trained an the full spectrum of positive/negative reinforcement/punishment are more reliable dogs. yes corrections cause stress, learning can be stressful, but it is needed to gain proficiency. Ask a good golden gloves boxer if would rather not get popped in the nose when his hands drop in training, that pain/stress help him become a better boxer and he wont go far without some positive punishment for having bad form.
look at all the shit west german showline dogs with sch3 titles. watch their videos, they are shit. schutzhund used to be something in the old days, but they changed it to a sport now, and it's become soft and watered down. i laugh when the video author describes schutzhund training as serious. Lol you want serious? watch KNPV, NVBK, mondio, or even PSA maybe.
that's a soft dog, correction is too hard. also, it's best to reward immediately after correction. correction means you correct the dog. the dog is now correct after correction, so reward. sch3 is not hard, any dog can be sch3. i can take a shit dog to sch3, but it's easier to take a high drive and hard dog to sch3. i bet she would fail at mondioring.
I find it interesting how the people commenting on the training are remiss to place there own videos of obvious perfection with there dogs? very easy to criticize people. The results are important as are the dog as a complete being, you forget the breed you speak of. Extremely driven animals with unbelievable work ethics. You train them hard for the simple fact they can handle it and EXCEL WITH IT! or maybe you can't see the failures in your own animals if you even own true pure blood shepherds.
Sloppy heeling.Unimpressive retrieves. Pretty much boilerplate old school stuff. If you want to see some impressive Schutzhund obedience look at Ivan Balabanov or Denise Fenzi...
Are you seriously comparing your herding dog to a correct Schutzhund trainer. Your yelling and flailing around in your video. sloppy would be a compliment.
One - a lovely video and a lovely animal - the dog looks happy and focused. I've just started Schutzhund training with my one year old german shepherd pup and he's taking very well to it. Nothing strengthens your bond with your animal quite like proper training.
Two - why the hatred against liberals and Canadians? I'm both and I subscribe to the notion that a large, powerful dog requires a calm, assertive master with the ability to administer corrections when necessary.
I agree Susan... Woman on a complete power trip. The people paying this woman must be fairly strapped for decent support. I wouldn't be soft in any shape or form, but this plainly shows a complete lack of foundation training. Quick fixes wreck good dogs.
The club she is training at has been in continuous existence for just over 100 years. This woman has titled many dogs to SchH 3 including this one. She qualified to compete in the Bundenseiger and was a Landesgrupen winner. Hummm....your right! She is a dumbass! Not to mention her dogs adore her. I was there. I saw this dog playing with her just after the release from this work session. You saw less than 4 minutes of work and are an expert on her and this dog. Amazing.
I have done some agility in the past. I now have my first GSD Now 8 mos old and plan to try my hand at SCH training. I was used to little corrections being enough with my BC in agility. I never knew how tenacious and thick skinned a dog could be untill I started the basics with him. I am glad to see its not just my dog that dosn't give up for nothing. Its hard trying to balance keeping him excited to do the work, and keeping him under controll.
Excellent post. Check my blog for tips, read Gottfried Dildei & Sheila Booths book on training in drive. Bernard Flinks would also be a good resource to check into. E-mail any time you have questions. Best of luck to you.
Well then you would REALLY be suprised to know the dog is a SchH 3 now, excellent V scores and has two brothers and a sister that are all SchH 3 too. This dog never shut down and your assesment of her hardness is incorrect. You mistake this womans control over the dog for the dogs lack of hardness. The woman is harder. Trust me on that. But, I appreciate you comments. We are all just trying to learn.
i don't think it's fair to correct your dog that way, this dog doesn't even look like a hard dog to be corrected that way, if it's an NVBK dog probably i would use that type of correction, but this dog is not!...there is a better way to train this dog, so i agree with sauamel you should be out of business!!!
As far as going out of business goes I have been training professionally (full time, no other job) for well for 25 years. I was using positive reinforcement training, clicker and shaping methods, way, way, way before they were popular. I was looked down on for using them then and now it's just the way it's done. Today I use a range of methods to suit the dog and the clients needs. I will make a half mil this year in my business. Perhaps I am doing something right :)
Heres to u & ur half a mil Never mind the dogs eh? As long as u make ur $. If anyone treated their dog like that in r sch club they would politely asked to leave! If ur watching this out of curiosity don't let this put you off. Most trainers do ground work through praise and reward with their dogs so don't have to resort to bully tactics.not all use abusive quick fix tactics to make $.. Most do the sport for the love of it.. And the love and respect of the dogs.. Goodluck with your half a mil ;)
I agree with fiestapup, you're giving the dog a job. Something that needs to be done correctly and correcting bad behavior is the only way to teach him how to do it the right way. Especially with Schutzhunding it's important to be sure the dog is able to do it right.
The dog is startled from the correction, that is why he yelped. It's shocking to watch but these are hard dogs as opposed to soft dogs. They can take a correction. It would take alot more strength then that lady has to hurt that dog. I don't want a 90 pound dog jumping up at me do you? These dogs love to work and the trainers are giving them a job so they can be the best that they can be. Abuse is when you have a working dog and don't give them a job. Not an expert but that is my opinion.
I totally agree I am a dog trainer and I specialise in this sort of training with GSD's and dogs are more intelligent than what we give them credit for, I had a GSD come to training who need 5 corrections on a Martingale collar to keep at heel with its owner and he happily walked at a nice pace showing no signs of submissive behaviour, i've found getting a dog fixated on a ball or toys is my most efficient method of getting the best out of a dog. A motivated dog is a happy dog to train.
Schutzhund heeling often looks like crowding to someone that does pet training or AKC type obedience training. She is driving this dogs excitement with a toy she has hidden in her bra :) When the dog is focused and heeling the way she wants she pulls out the toy quickly and plays with the dog. At the point the correction occured she was trying to get the dog to sit straight and not jump up. It's a tough balancing act with a strong dog. You want happy, but you don't want to lose control.
wat was she trying to get the dog to do?? i couldnt really tell it seemed like she was tryin to make it walk basicallly on top of her on 54walk side ways ??? anybody know??
Esta mujer tiene mucha energia y mucha neurosis. No entiendo porque en un pasatiempo tan bonito tenga que haber tanto stress. El entrenamiento sin castigo es mejor. Para que el perro haga caso a una orden primero tiene que jerarquizar su posición con el liderazo y este no se obtiene castigando un perro sino entendiendo el comportamiento canino.
Translation: This woman has a lot of energy and a lot of neurosis. I do not understand because in a pastime that is as nice to have so much stress. The training is better without punishment. For the dog to heed an order first has to prioritize his position? N with the leadership and this is not achieved by punishing a dog but by understanding canine behavior.
Big, powerful, high drive dog, out of control, bites the wrong person for the wrong reason and is now so dead because someone pussy footed around with control issues trying to be politically correct. I hear dying is bad for a dogs health. But, then again I am SO MEEEEAAAANNNN! :) Thanks for posting mhumphreys. I needed a breath of fresh air.
Training a high-energy working breed dog to display powerful, aggressive-type behaviors is a double-edged sword. It's incredibly useful and reinforces the bond between handler and dog, but if you half-ass it ... you now have a very large, strong, fast animal that likes to bite but doesn't listen to anyone. Which is just as bad for the long-term health of the dog as it is for all the people it's around.
People need to realize that before saying "OMG SO MEEEEEAAAAN!!"
Even pets can be pushy, but your right that dogs with working lines and have been bred for a tough job are often much harder both physically and mentally than a dog bred for a different task. Thanks for the comment.
Ok, my Doberman is my best friend and goes everywhere with me, even work. However being that he is a strong willed, highly intelligent, fearless, 120 lb animal, working dog, occasionally negative reinforcment is needed to control his energetic nature. He follows voice commands very well, however he does on occasion need to be restrained. It's not done maliciously but for his own benifit. Animals need to be controled at all times by their handlers. These are working dogs, not pets.
TRy using postive reinforcement and negative punishment to train your dog to leave the object and not touch it untill ask for. I think that wold eliminate the unnecessary yanking and obvisouly hurtful handling beeing done especially shown at the end. For someone who asks for logical and educational replys you seem to have little of both in your training techniques.
Ok i see where your comming from with the animal abuse. However.... working breeds, and herding breeds have high a pain tolerance. So something that would bother or hurt a smaller boned, or another type doesnt mean it is hurting this dog. Plus its the verbal tone taken with the dog not the slight pull that corrects the dog. Playing tug-o-war does more dammage, physicaly and mentally. Last, its not a choke chain, its a pinch collar. one jerk on the leash and one pinch.
Don't mind last comment on my account. Evil friend snuck on and she has no clue what she is talking about, but I agree there is no need for such harshness.
Mostly at the end. Oh no right the dog stepped in the wrong place so we ahve to choke and yank over and over at it?
Good luck in all your Schutzhund endeavors Mirokiki. If you saw rocks and ear dragging in that video, or choking, then you're going to need lots of luck. Your eyes must have been blurred from crying over Bambi. The dog is not even wearing a choke chain! Three little corrections in a four minute routine. I guarantee you will do more than that to your Schnauzer when it comes to getting that big boy over a 41 inch hurdle carrying a dumbbell.
Rofl. I plan on training Schutzhund, but I don't plan on dragging my Giant Schnauzer across rocks by her ear. So the dog didn't give you a toy, no need to choke it. ee
And an abused dog is more likely to be a dog that is more firmly attached because it does not wish to be hurt again, so just because the dog is "attached" and "loves", doesn't mean it's not terrified.
Yeah, I cried when Bambi's mother died, but I know the difference between a cartoon getting shot, and a dog getting choked.
Please send us that video when you accomplish something more than running your mouth. I will accept any video comment you send with proof of your training skills. We already know your eyesight is questionable
Too bad all you can do is hit your dog and attempt to make people feel down.
I know that if anyone attempted to do that to Maggie, I would shoot them. I know first hand how easy it is for a dog to get a collapsing trachea, which Margaret has because of someone jerking her around like this video shows. Mag was tied up in a back yard and supposed to be a "guard dog".
I'll send you training video as soon as my Schnauzer arrives, you can be sure.
Mirokiki. Do they have eye care where you live? I said before you need your eyes examined if you saw rocks and choking in that video. Now your are seeing someone hitting a dog and accusing me and I am not even in the video. Geez dude or dudette. You need a serious reality check. And I wasn't trying to make you feel bad. I was worried about your ability to watch a video and see what is actually happening without imagining all types of horrid things that just didn't happen.
Wait wait wait.. Dude /or/ Dudett? Where do you live?
Did you even look at my profile? Then how the hell would you not know if I did or did not have a video of dog training up that you should have taken a look at? Sorta ironic to be saying I need my eyes checked when you don't even look, eh?
To pop a collar to that extent, in my opinion, is choking. If I did it to Margaret, she would fall over hacking because she's had it done to her before to the extent where her trachea collapses.
@Mirokiki Are you Kidding! a SHNAUZER! your comparing training that to a GSD. go back to small dog school where you go to the local pet store to learn sit down and stay... you have no clue!
alright some of u guys have to grow up. u people that think the negative reinforcements are cruel r making dogs sound like wimps. i miean german sheperds are tought dogs and can sometimes be hard headed. so u need that negative reinforcement. just as long as u know what ur doing. dogs can handle some pain. i think dogs are much tougher than humans. and obviously the dogs are not injured in any way and they love their handlers.
Excellent comment Elite. Best of luck in your dog training. Do a youtube search for lolita schutzhund to see some awesome working videos of this dogs sister, raised and trained by the same handler as the dog in this video. Very impressive and worth a look. I bred both dogs and have just recently repeated this very sucessful breeding. Pups due in August 08.
i find clickers to be incredibly annoying...i could never use one in training because i would go insane over the sound. and harris, that's AWESOME about the dogs! i hope the next litter is as great as the first! Do you think any of them will go on to do K9 or search and rescue?
i did schH1 in Germany and that's how we were thought to train, if we even thought about bringing a clicker to the school we got in serouis training, my Rott was a great dog and I'm happy I never trained with a clicker.. takes to damn long and it take the right dog for that type of training.. I now have a GSD puppy who will be learning SchH and will be trained the same way as my rott.. positive and negative reenforcement..
Just like there is nothing wrong with neg. reinforcement if done correctly, there is nothing wrong with clicker training if done and understood correctly. As you stated, it's about balance. To be a balanced trainer you need to understand your dog and use methods appropriate for that dog. Training all dogs with the same approach will not get you the kind of success you get from using the right method for each individual dog. Excellent comment. Thank you.
I see nothing wrong in this video at all... The dog is obviously not afraid of his handler and from what i see adores her, so obviously whatever negative reinforcement she has given has not made any mark on their relationship.
Keen observation Beachbuns. This dog does adore her handler. They have achieved high success in their sport. As have this dogs other brothers and sisters. All five puppies from this litter have obtained titles. Two are ScH 3 and two more will be soon. One competes on a National level and two have had regional success. I just repeated the breeding since it was so successful.
Ya guys there is nothing wrong with giving a dog a job. In order to have to be effective you have to give corrections. There is nothing wrong to say NO to a dogs there are lots of ways LOL.
I am in the US! We found a club 2 1/2 hours away that is mixed with beginners and advanced. I have a wonderful feeling about it.
We are thinking of getting a German Shepherd (sable) for this sport. It looks so handy and cool. It is a good sport for dogs to work off energy.Man I cant wait LOL
Sounds like you have a great plan. What part of the country are you from? Some areas in the US have very little in the way of clubs to support you and some area's have many helpful clubs.
And the real crime here is that sports like Schutzhund/IPO is not accepted. Displaying videos like this does not do the sport one bit of good. It offers an open invitation for those whom object to our sport, to criticize the sport. When the truth is that more and more trainers are having great success with training programs that minimize force. I am not so sure what the purpose of posting this video was. I am sure it was not with intention of promoting the sport.
The point is to show that you can correct a dog without harming, destroying it's spirt, dulling it's drive or any of the things that people who do not know what their doing often blame on corrections. This dog was well raised and is loved. She can take a two second correction from her master without falling apart. -more-
First inflincting pain in the name of training, especially for points and not a true utilitarian or social purpose is indeed abuse. Aversive training does not necassarily mean it has to be painful. I have yet to meet a person that need the infliction of pain in order to learn thier ABC's, Nuclear physics, or how to do summer sault or how to play tennis. Saying that some dogs just need pain (codeword:correction) in order to learn is ignorant.
My dogs correct each other harder than this all the time and two seconds later they are playing with each other and happy. Well raised dogs understand corrections and do not fall apart. They just learn from them. Watch this dog work in some of the other videos of her and her handler and you will see they have an awesome bond and a great working relationship. Thanks for commenting.
First, that you do not understand the need for positive/negative reinforcement training of dogs.
Second, that you do not understand that training dogs and raising/educating humans are not quite the same...some similarities, but many more differences.
I sure Do. -R is increasing the frequency of a behavior by avoiding an aversive. Look, I have a lot of success in Sch. I have not do that, because I do not understand learning theory. But I also understand that dogs have feelings and thoughts. I also understand that the dog tells us evertything that we are do wrong.
Secondley what's up insulting Canadians and liberals? I mean we're talking about dogs here, not politics or national origin. Cause if you're going to take the stance that all liberals and Canadians are tree hugging panseys, maybe we should assume that all conservatives are racist, homophobic, dog abusers. No? Then lay off the discrimatory crap. Oh and for the record I'm a Lib who likes big dogs, guns, and the 1st amendent, so what's that say for your stereotypes?
Finally to harrisd1dog WTF? Man do you have an ego on you. I mean first you act like anybody who doesn't have a GSD doesn't have a real dog, I love them and have owned one pure bitch and one mix bitch but I've also owned a pit and I can tell you as far as attitude goes the pit wins hands down. My point being ownig and training GSDs does not make you Bill Bad Ass, so lay off the if you don't own a GSD you're less of a dog owner reterick.
That being said I didn't find the clip to show signs of "dog abuse" I did see an "owner" (notice I said owner not parent) frustated with her dog's non compliance who corrected the dog's action in a way that worked for her and this dog. Have I done the same? Yes. Did it work? Yes with that dog. Have I ever abused my pets? Hell no, but I have disciplined and corrected them and will continue to do so as long as needed.
Dogs just like people are individuals, and as such require different teaching/training approaches. Some will respond to all positive feedback some with a combination of positve and negative, that being said, claiming that a trainer couldn't train a dog in schutzhund with all positve encouragment is like saying a cop is less a cop because his academy valued academics over quasi military structure.
I love watching training like this. Stiffling animation, slouching heels. slow retrieves. just lets me know thats one more competitor (if you can call them that) I do not have to worry about.
heres a tip to the lady making the do yelp in the blue shirt, stop kicking the crap out of the dog, put the toy in your hand outside his head, or put in your pocket! give the dog his reward to his left, and for gods sake stand straight. your making him crooked. and then you kick his ass for it?
Good eyes Allteesup! I wasn't even filming the dog. I was filming the handler! Over 30,000 views and your the first person to figure this out. Your my hero :) They're even better in person too.
I think it is great to see a video that uses both negative and positive reinforcment. I think that distractions and corrections are just as important as using toys and food.
And you would be 100% right. But, most people just don't understand balance in training. It's got to be an all or nothing kind of thing for them. All pos. or all neg. I don't understand why, but I think they just get stuck in trying to be right.
Im not a pro dog trainer by any means, but cant you scold a dog without inflicting pain? I understand you are the super hard core dog trainer type, but Ive never heard of, or had the notion to inflict pain on my dog to teach a lesson. Thanks for sharing your vid
Your welcome Vulcan. And your right. There are other ways. Some use more positive types of methods and some are harder. This woman raised this dog from a pup and knew what it would take to correct her dog. I taped it to show you could give a hard correction, without killing the dogs drive. This is a very hard, working dog. Watch how quickly the dog recovers once the toy comes back out.
Vulcan, you are absolutely right. There are other ways. Some better, some worse. Some more suited for one dog than another. That is the trick. Know what works for which dog. This handler raised her dog from a puppy. She knows what is necessary to motivate her dog. Watch the retrieve video I posted. She knows how to get the most out of her dog. And she works hard. This is no couch potato! The dog or the handler :)
I think the effort and work you guys are doing is great, I love a working shepherd. I can't say I agree with the yanking, I think there are other ways to handle that problem but thats my opinion.
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there is nothing wrong with the negative part but people, please remember that you only have 3 seconds after you correct the dog to praise him/her. if not, you will break the dog down.
Love to see your video's of dogs trained with all and only positive methods obtaining titles. So, far we here a lot about it, but no proof. Where is the proof?
Yep, they didn't count. That is why I said those nice things about you and your wonderful work. Of course they count. They just don't compare. Pet training verses Schutzhund. No comparison.
Those dogs are very different to other dogs. Bred for their intelligence and workability, not looks and fluffiness. Their being trained as working dogs where a lapse in obedience could cost theirs or their handlers lives. A bit of discipline never hurt anyone.
it fascinates me that so many people think that schutzhund obedience is so good. you could never comfortably walk down the street with the dog constantly banging into you. I understand that the dog should appear animated and "in drive" .... just not impressed with what you consider "precision"
I have been training professionally for 25 years and I have never heard anyone say SCH ob is that great. Hard considering that tracking and protection are coupled with it, but impressive looking and precise? No.
My point was that people who bash AKC obedience often (not always) stem from "working" history & often that is a sch background. Harris, are you active in sch? and do you see a trend among sch trainers to change obedience? or do you feel that people train this way in part because of "peer pressure" everyone else does it that way type of thing? Not trying to be antagonistic.
obviously you are involved in sch. sorry did not realize you were the original poster. I have only ever titled one dog in sch. all of my training is only in training service dogs.
No antagonism taken. I enjoy the discussion. I title both in AKC and SchH. They are very different. One is more precise, and the attitude of the dog is not taken into account. One is less precise, but the relationship the dog has with the handler is critical to a good score. I believe the best trainers can accomplish both. But, there is little doubt that SchH ob is easier than AKC when it comes to passing or failing.
although tat is a method of traing i dont agree wit tat much force. the only time i us tat much force is out of fustration and regreat it shortly after. Expecially on the most sensitive part of the neck. (the upper)Wit a pinch collar tat hurts a lil.
Sorry you have to get mad to hurt your dogs. I don't get mad. I just use the appropriate amount of correction to create avoidance of certain behaviors. I am not the trainer in this video, but I was there. She was not mad, but she was tired of getting her boob nipped at :) So she made an effective correction to stop the behavior in the future. It worked well.
When I see a client's dog behave like this (the boob nipping type of behavior and it's usually in young dogs), I ask questions to see if they've been inflicting pain on the dog or scaring it in any way. It always turns out they are even if they're unaware...
...The correction that pain gives is short term. The long term results are having a dog who has no confidence in you and starts to obey out of fear of worry. Unfortunately, leaders don't behave like that so we have start working to instill the dog's confidence in the person as a leader. Until the dog can see the person as a leader, he'll always feel as though he can invade their personal space. That coupled with the insecurity of not having a real leader create this problem...
Obey out of fear. The same reason you pay your taxes, stop at red lights and look both way before you cross the road. What is wrong with a little fear? Keeps you from getting hurt. This dog learned from her correction and never made it again. Excellent!
Now your just being silly. This dog was bred tough, because she is being used for a tough job. Don't see many rescues doing police work. But, this dog could.
No, I'm being quite serious. You'd like to think that this dog is tougher than anything a "cookie" trainer could work with but, really, I work with "tough" dogs on a regular basis. There's no need for brutality.
Exactly my point. There was no brutality. If you knew anything about dogs like this one you would understand. Watch the retrieve video I posted of this dog taken about two minutes after this horrible correction you keep crying about. See if the dog is still thinking about the correction or has totally recovered and moved on to have some fun with her totally awesome handler.
Would it not better that you tride to TRAIN the dogs? A dog doesn't learn when you correction it. Can't you be a little mot nice to the dogs? I mean FUCK! The dog screams when you train it! Are you blind or something? The dog is in pain for hells sake!
Train your dogs next time, this isn't dog training, this is dog abuse!
Nicely said Golden. You have such a sweet way with words. I feel sure from your kind words that your the nicest person on earth. I think everyone should listen to a person who writes comments like yours. Very helpful. Thanks.
you are a sarcastic snobby bitch, i guess you must have taken a lot of shit on here for your video or else youre just always like this? either way dont take all the comments so seriously , people write whatever they want on the internet, no holds bars..so just learn to deal with the positive and negative feedback or stop posting.. most posters just dont comment back on their own videos to avoid this
well its definately not dogs abuse, but why does your dog yelp so much. werent you just tugging hard on its choke collar? i think its just a whiny dog because it shouldnt yelp like that just from a little correction.
Actually I am not blind. Perhaps I am deaf. That is why I can't hear the dog screaming. Do you have something against disabled people training dogs? Are you a racist also?
Speak for yourself twin. This dog isn't guttless like you keep sounding in your comments. This dog can take it and dish it out. She works hard and plays hard and doesn't ask for any help from liberal candy asses who would rather see true working dogs dead than trained.
Amen Gingercat. This dog loves to bite and works hard to earn that reward. We should suit old twinclaire up and let him/her take a few bites from this fine animal. Maybe then they would have some respect for the power behind a dog like this one. And some ideal what it takes to maintain it's respect and obedience.
What does owning sheep have to do with understanding how powerful a working line German Shepherd Dog is compared to a Cock-A-Poo? Even the average GSD doesn't compare to a working line GSD with strong drives. What have you been doing with those sheep Twin?
Ooh sorry I see now. You have short german shepherds. How short are they? Were they bred short on purpose or are they mutations? Why did you want short GSD's. Are they easier to catch when they run away from you because of their short legs? ROTFLOL!!!!
Twin I am so happy and proud to see you have a sense of humor. Keep it real and enjoy those short legged dogs :) I sure do love mine and I know you love your also.
Mr. Webster do you have any idea what would motivate a dog like this to work? A scooby snack perhaps? A rub down? A sweet pat on the head? Or a chance for that ball the chick has hidden in her bra! This dog lives for one thing. Chase it, bite it, kill it. Watch her bite work video and know this isn't your little poodle working here. This is a mans dog being worked by a woman with the heart of a lion.
Geez. Okay, the level of training and ability I've seen in some videos is amazing, sure. You can give the towering ego a rest though, it's getting creepy.
Mr Chunky you are not a very nice person. Why do you want to harm people. Was your Mum mean to you as a child? Did your Dad not care, take you to the fair or change your underwear? I am sorry your unhappy. Does being mean to people make you feel better?
I personally think its a shame, the harsh methods used. Your training sessions must be that important, that you go to all measures. I personally don't like the methods, if someone done that to my dog, i'd report them to the rspca.
These harsh methods obviously get results for what the dogs are trained for, but menatlly, if must be so damanging, mans best friend, but what about the other way.
Respect is a great thing. Unfortunately, many animals and people (note your little Muslim problem in the UK) take overt kindness as a sign of weakness and then take advantage. Watch the video again. She gave this dog repeated chances to stop and when the dog refused she corrected it. Then the correction was over and the play began. I just stopped taping, but you can see she is throwing the ball and playing with the dog. Watch the other videos.
You can't see with your own eyes this dog is not damaged in anyway? This is a hard natured, working animal, not a puffy poodle. Watch the dogs ears, body posture, tail, eyes and return to happiness when the ball comes out for sign of stress. You will see none.
How sad for you that you hate people and wish them harm. I will pray for you. Are you a liberal? I find that most liberals are haters and are generally ashamed of being a human. Do you hate yourself or just other people?
I dont hate people I just hate the way that some people treat there animals, ok put it this way you beat the shit out of your dog, on day that dog has has enought it Retaliates and bites you, what happens next, you have that dog put to sleep, what happens to the person that makes him bite in the first place,
Twin please calm down and remember to take your medication each day. No one is killing dogs. As a matter of fact I save dogs each day. I recently had my the tip of my finger bitten off by a dog I was giving treats to. I did not kill him. I taught him not to do that again. No killing. Only training.
Besides you see the whole video. No one beat taht dog. It was a leash and collar correction. And the dog did not shit. Did you see the dog shit? Nope. Just wag her tail and then later get a reward and play. Are you sure were watching the same video?
I never said i saw the dog shit or see some one beat the dog in question, but what i did see was a sheps head nearly ripped off by being yanked so hard he had to cry out in pain that is disgusting after all he is only a puppy, with kind hands and heart you can teach your dog anything because he will be happy to please you
Now you just lying. You said you hate the way I beat the shit out of my dogs. Read your own comments. Secondly the dog looks pretty happy towards the end and is heeling with ears up, tail up and wanting to play ball. No undue pressure. Perhaps you think the dog is wearing a choke chain. Are your worried about it's neck? She is not wearing a choke chain and no damage was done to this very valuable animal.
i never said YOU beat the shit out of your dog i said some people beat there dog, when i said you that was not pointed at you personaly is was a figure of speach, I dont think you read right
Overall though I like this comment much better. At least your saying what you believe and not just saying nasty things about other people. I appreciate how much you have learned and how much you care about animals. I think you are doing much better with your comments. Keep up the good work :)
Unlike some people, dogs understand corrections and don't attack for no reason or just because they don't like something. At least normal dogs anyway. But, people like to judge and attack regardless of whether they have any real reason. Just a perceived one is enough. Perhaps you should try to be more like your dog.
Muzuza I was just poking fun at you. I know you don't hate old people. You just have no respect for the old ways and think everything new has to be better. If that is true then why is euthanasia the number one killer of dogs? Because they are being killed due to bad behavior and lack of training. People are so politically correct they would rather kill a dog than correct it. Very sad, but it happens all the time.
Click on my user name. I have videos of Casper, a dog who was a rescue and was considered untrainable. There's Dulcey, the Lab mix that was taped less than 30 minutes after I started working with her. Her potential adopter didn't take her because she wouldn't stop jumping at her face and was dragging her around by her leash. I also do a lot of behavioral stuff and there's Peewee who was about to be put down for her fear aggression. All positve; no whincing or pain.
I train pet dogs like that everyday using balanced training approaches. Saved hundreds of dogs lives over the years. But, were talking about a high drive working dog here. Not a lab or a golden mix. Have you ever had your hands on a dog that really knows he can kick your butt and is willing to prove it? What do you do when a dog tries to bite you seriously, not a fear thing cringing away, but an attack? Try giving that dog a treat and see where it gets you.
Pupscout I applaud your work with rescues and believe you methods and services have value to the dog world and to your clients. But, this video is about a type of training and type of dog you know little if anything about. Feel free to visit my trainig center anytime. I will hand you a dog or two and let you learn first hand the value of positive only methods with dogs like these. There is no sustitute for hands on experience :)
Keep telling yourself that some how as a full time trainer who works regularly with aggressive "high drive" dogs that I haven't run across dogs like this. I'm sure it makes it a lot easier to hurt dogs.
I don't know why you consider yourself so special. What is it that you do that is unique? Have you seen my video's? Do you realise I am not the girl in the vid, rather the camera man and took this video for instructional purposes. Much has been learned from discussing it. Including the fact that you have poor observation skills and lack the ability to say anything nice about anyone other than yourself.
I'm not special- there are 1,000s of dog trainers who are effective yet gentle. They do pet obedience, agility, Schutzhund, police work etc. I get upset when people use the excuse of "high drive" or "working dog" as a reason to hurt dogs.
And I know you're not the person in video. I'm responding to your comments including your snarky warning.
My comments were meant to be instructional also- to teach people that they don't need to hurt a dog to train it.
I am a seriou, full-time professional trainer. I not only have private clients with dogs of all breeds including my fair share of GSDs but I do a lot of work with shelter dogs, mostly Pits. Many of these dogs have severe behavioral problems. There is no need to treat a dog like that to get excellent results!
The only aggressive GSDs I've seen are ones who went through training like this. It comes down to the attitude of "Look at me- I can handle an aggressive dog." It's sad really.
pupscout, I am sure you are well meaning and work hard. Your shelter work is commendable. But, no one ever said this dog was being corrected for being aggressive. She is protection trained and titled as a sport dog, but shows no aggression towards her handler, before, during or after the correction.
Well most dogs are more forgiving that a lot of humans. But, you point is well taken. Dogs are not people and deserve to be treated like what they are. Sensitive, caring animals that need consistent guidence so they know what is expected of them and how to get what they want out of life. Food, toys and attention from a strong leader they can trust.
I have 50kg Shepherd which i got @ 8 y/o I guess i found him on a train station in Australia. I started training him and with both gentle and aggresive techniques i have him going really good. Sometimes a dog needs a smack (NOT A FLOGGING) they shred each other in the wild. and would you rather a dog under someones car dead or smacked on the chops and alive? which is more humane my 50kg shepherd can walk anywhere unleased and obeys no regimed training= dangerous dog.
Excellent point Breeze. Unfortunately some people are afraid to correct their dog. Afraid the dog will no longer love them. So, they allow the dog to misbehave and then get rid of them because the are to much trouble. Or the dog gets killed as you said because of no obedience or control. So sad for dogs that have weak owners. Dogs love an owner that is not afraid to be a leader and is not a whimp.
All of you asshats that post negative comments have OBVIOUSLY never owned a GSD or a Belgian Malinois. These dogs HAVE to know who's boss, and you HAVE to assert yourself over the dog. These dogs are smart, but they are also pushy. If you give an inch, they will take 2 miles just to see what they can get away with.
People like you that coddle your dogs and let them run your life, you are the people that don't know how to train, and you make me SICK when you come onto places like this and parade around your "Knowledge" of how to train dogs.
o your dog can sit, lie down, and shake? HOORAY FOR YOU! Will your dog walk right next to you in a crowded area and never break eye contact with you? Can you stand 30 feet from it and will it still do ALL of the commands instantly? No, which is why you guys are NOT Schutzhund trainers.
You people wouldn't last a day and your dogs would be NIGHTMARES! I cringe everytime I see a GSD or Belgian that isn't under control, those dogs can do massive damage if not trained correctly. Do yourselves a favor, research something before you post about it (and training your mutt, poodle, or other toy dog does NOT make you a trainer AT ALL!) *gets off soapbox*
A moogle is a character from the Final Fantasy series (google image search) and I just stuck the "pimp" on the end because I "moogle" was already taken and I couldn't think of anything else to add to it :-p
That Girl In the Blue should not be a dog tranier, I bet if it wasnt recordin, she would be beating that dog senseless..people like that are just in the sport, to feel powerful or something..
I would expect no less from a Canadian. A poorly thought out emotional response with no basis in reality. Just touchy feely. Possibly a cat trainer? Certainly not a trainer of top notch working dogs with drive. This dog isn't a house pet. Get a life and get a poodle if you are afraid to correct a dog with this type of drive. Hot dogs won't get it done. She will bite you and take your hot dogs. What then? An intervention?
I agree. The timing isn't good. But, I don't think she was trying to time a correction to perfect heeling. She was making a statement "an attitude" correction. This is a powerful animal and very pushy. She was simply trying to get the dogs respect. 95-93-95 SchH 1 says she got it.
negative punishment?? i saw positive punishment. positive because you + something ie pain. punishment because it decreases behaviour.... ummm basic operant conditioning!!!
"lets ignore science and use bully tactics"
but yes aversive training does work and it is possible to title in any sport with a combination of (P+)(P-)(+R)(-R) the R stands for Reinforcement by the way ;-) these dogs are so driven by bites or balls you have the biggest possible R+ but you chose the prong collar F****g bullys
MrJiujitsujames 1 month ago
Nice training!
the proof is in the pudding, dogs the are trained an the full spectrum of positive/negative reinforcement/punishment are more reliable dogs. yes corrections cause stress, learning can be stressful, but it is needed to gain proficiency. Ask a good golden gloves boxer if would rather not get popped in the nose when his hands drop in training, that pain/stress help him become a better boxer and he wont go far without some positive punishment for having bad form.
happy training!
Dobermank12 10 months ago
look at all the shit west german showline dogs with sch3 titles. watch their videos, they are shit. schutzhund used to be something in the old days, but they changed it to a sport now, and it's become soft and watered down. i laugh when the video author describes schutzhund training as serious. Lol you want serious? watch KNPV, NVBK, mondio, or even PSA maybe.
krazyshet 1 year ago
that's a soft dog, correction is too hard. also, it's best to reward immediately after correction. correction means you correct the dog. the dog is now correct after correction, so reward. sch3 is not hard, any dog can be sch3. i can take a shit dog to sch3, but it's easier to take a high drive and hard dog to sch3. i bet she would fail at mondioring.
krazyshet 1 year ago
I find it interesting how the people commenting on the training are remiss to place there own videos of obvious perfection with there dogs? very easy to criticize people. The results are important as are the dog as a complete being, you forget the breed you speak of. Extremely driven animals with unbelievable work ethics. You train them hard for the simple fact they can handle it and EXCEL WITH IT! or maybe you can't see the failures in your own animals if you even own true pure blood shepherds.
adamca96 1 year ago
Sloppy heeling.Unimpressive retrieves. Pretty much boilerplate old school stuff. If you want to see some impressive Schutzhund obedience look at Ivan Balabanov or Denise Fenzi...
vonSontausenGSD 1 year ago
@vonSontausenGSD
Are you seriously comparing your herding dog to a correct Schutzhund trainer. Your yelling and flailing around in your video. sloppy would be a compliment.
adamca96 1 year ago
Two things:
One - a lovely video and a lovely animal - the dog looks happy and focused. I've just started Schutzhund training with my one year old german shepherd pup and he's taking very well to it. Nothing strengthens your bond with your animal quite like proper training.
Two - why the hatred against liberals and Canadians? I'm both and I subscribe to the notion that a large, powerful dog requires a calm, assertive master with the ability to administer corrections when necessary.
maragon01 1 year ago
I agree Susan... Woman on a complete power trip. The people paying this woman must be fairly strapped for decent support. I wouldn't be soft in any shape or form, but this plainly shows a complete lack of foundation training. Quick fixes wreck good dogs.
vickyteuton1979 1 year ago 3
The club she is training at has been in continuous existence for just over 100 years. This woman has titled many dogs to SchH 3 including this one. She qualified to compete in the Bundenseiger and was a Landesgrupen winner. Hummm....your right! She is a dumbass! Not to mention her dogs adore her. I was there. I saw this dog playing with her just after the release from this work session. You saw less than 4 minutes of work and are an expert on her and this dog. Amazing.
harrisd1dog 1 year ago
I have done some agility in the past. I now have my first GSD Now 8 mos old and plan to try my hand at SCH training. I was used to little corrections being enough with my BC in agility. I never knew how tenacious and thick skinned a dog could be untill I started the basics with him. I am glad to see its not just my dog that dosn't give up for nothing. Its hard trying to balance keeping him excited to do the work, and keeping him under controll.
Any advice for an aspiring SCH handler?
jmdnarri 2 years ago
Excellent post. Check my blog for tips, read Gottfried Dildei & Sheila Booths book on training in drive. Bernard Flinks would also be a good resource to check into. E-mail any time you have questions. Best of luck to you.
harrisd1dog 2 years ago
i wouldn't be surprise if this dog would quit working one day!!!
jjm76mmj82 2 years ago
Well then you would REALLY be suprised to know the dog is a SchH 3 now, excellent V scores and has two brothers and a sister that are all SchH 3 too. This dog never shut down and your assesment of her hardness is incorrect. You mistake this womans control over the dog for the dogs lack of hardness. The woman is harder. Trust me on that. But, I appreciate you comments. We are all just trying to learn.
harrisd1dog 2 years ago
i don't think it's fair to correct your dog that way, this dog doesn't even look like a hard dog to be corrected that way, if it's an NVBK dog probably i would use that type of correction, but this dog is not!...there is a better way to train this dog, so i agree with sauamel you should be out of business!!!
jjm76mmj82 2 years ago
As far as going out of business goes I have been training professionally (full time, no other job) for well for 25 years. I was using positive reinforcement training, clicker and shaping methods, way, way, way before they were popular. I was looked down on for using them then and now it's just the way it's done. Today I use a range of methods to suit the dog and the clients needs. I will make a half mil this year in my business. Perhaps I am doing something right :)
harrisd1dog 2 years ago
Heres to u & ur half a mil Never mind the dogs eh? As long as u make ur $. If anyone treated their dog like that in r sch club they would politely asked to leave! If ur watching this out of curiosity don't let this put you off. Most trainers do ground work through praise and reward with their dogs so don't have to resort to bully tactics.not all use abusive quick fix tactics to make $.. Most do the sport for the love of it.. And the love and respect of the dogs.. Goodluck with your half a mil ;)
susanmccullough1 1 year ago
That's the way dogs were trained 20 years ago. With a performance like this you are out of business.
sauamsel 2 years ago
I agree with fiestapup, you're giving the dog a job. Something that needs to be done correctly and correcting bad behavior is the only way to teach him how to do it the right way. Especially with Schutzhunding it's important to be sure the dog is able to do it right.
HoRsE13GaL95 2 years ago
Wonderful post. Thanks for taking the time to write and give your input.
harrisd1dog 2 years ago
The dog is startled from the correction, that is why he yelped. It's shocking to watch but these are hard dogs as opposed to soft dogs. They can take a correction. It would take alot more strength then that lady has to hurt that dog. I don't want a 90 pound dog jumping up at me do you? These dogs love to work and the trainers are giving them a job so they can be the best that they can be. Abuse is when you have a working dog and don't give them a job. Not an expert but that is my opinion.
fiestapup 2 years ago
I totally agree I am a dog trainer and I specialise in this sort of training with GSD's and dogs are more intelligent than what we give them credit for, I had a GSD come to training who need 5 corrections on a Martingale collar to keep at heel with its owner and he happily walked at a nice pace showing no signs of submissive behaviour, i've found getting a dog fixated on a ball or toys is my most efficient method of getting the best out of a dog. A motivated dog is a happy dog to train.
schutzhund1994 2 years ago
Schutzhund heeling often looks like crowding to someone that does pet training or AKC type obedience training. She is driving this dogs excitement with a toy she has hidden in her bra :) When the dog is focused and heeling the way she wants she pulls out the toy quickly and plays with the dog. At the point the correction occured she was trying to get the dog to sit straight and not jump up. It's a tough balancing act with a strong dog. You want happy, but you don't want to lose control.
doggiedogblog 3 years ago
wat was she trying to get the dog to do?? i couldnt really tell it seemed like she was tryin to make it walk basicallly on top of her on 54walk side ways ??? anybody know??
dafreaks101 3 years ago 3
Esta mujer tiene mucha energia y mucha neurosis. No entiendo porque en un pasatiempo tan bonito tenga que haber tanto stress. El entrenamiento sin castigo es mejor. Para que el perro haga caso a una orden primero tiene que jerarquizar su posición con el liderazo y este no se obtiene castigando un perro sino entendiendo el comportamiento canino.
areyesmares 3 years ago 3
Translation: This woman has a lot of energy and a lot of neurosis. I do not understand because in a pastime that is as nice to have so much stress. The training is better without punishment. For the dog to heed an order first has to prioritize his position? N with the leadership and this is not achieved by punishing a dog but by understanding canine behavior.
doggiedogblog 3 years ago
"OMG YOU'RE SO RIGHT!!!!
Big, powerful, high drive dog, out of control, bites the wrong person for the wrong reason and is now so dead because someone pussy footed around with control issues trying to be politically correct. I hear dying is bad for a dogs health. But, then again I am SO MEEEEAAAANNNN! :) Thanks for posting mhumphreys. I needed a breath of fresh air.
doggiedogblog 3 years ago
Training a high-energy working breed dog to display powerful, aggressive-type behaviors is a double-edged sword. It's incredibly useful and reinforces the bond between handler and dog, but if you half-ass it ... you now have a very large, strong, fast animal that likes to bite but doesn't listen to anyone. Which is just as bad for the long-term health of the dog as it is for all the people it's around.
People need to realize that before saying "OMG SO MEEEEEAAAAN!!"
mhumphreys10 3 years ago
Even pets can be pushy, but your right that dogs with working lines and have been bred for a tough job are often much harder both physically and mentally than a dog bred for a different task. Thanks for the comment.
doggiedogblog 3 years ago
Ok, my Doberman is my best friend and goes everywhere with me, even work. However being that he is a strong willed, highly intelligent, fearless, 120 lb animal, working dog, occasionally negative reinforcment is needed to control his energetic nature. He follows voice commands very well, however he does on occasion need to be restrained. It's not done maliciously but for his own benifit. Animals need to be controled at all times by their handlers. These are working dogs, not pets.
214MLI 3 years ago
TRy using postive reinforcement and negative punishment to train your dog to leave the object and not touch it untill ask for. I think that wold eliminate the unnecessary yanking and obvisouly hurtful handling beeing done especially shown at the end. For someone who asks for logical and educational replys you seem to have little of both in your training techniques.
claudiahoyle 3 years ago
Which of my training techniques are you referring to?
doggiedogblog 3 years ago
Ok i see where your comming from with the animal abuse. However.... working breeds, and herding breeds have high a pain tolerance. So something that would bother or hurt a smaller boned, or another type doesnt mean it is hurting this dog. Plus its the verbal tone taken with the dog not the slight pull that corrects the dog. Playing tug-o-war does more dammage, physicaly and mentally. Last, its not a choke chain, its a pinch collar. one jerk on the leash and one pinch.
BryanC38 3 years ago
Don't mind last comment on my account. Evil friend snuck on and she has no clue what she is talking about, but I agree there is no need for such harshness.
Mostly at the end. Oh no right the dog stepped in the wrong place so we ahve to choke and yank over and over at it?
AnimalCrazy14 3 years ago 3
Wow, someone has no clue how to train for sch.
Hey everyone lets choke and hurt our dogs because we are so above it.
We own a German Shepherd and never have had to use "negative renforcment" to train him.
Sure feel bad for your dogs.
AnimalCrazy14 3 years ago 2
Good luck in all your Schutzhund endeavors Mirokiki. If you saw rocks and ear dragging in that video, or choking, then you're going to need lots of luck. Your eyes must have been blurred from crying over Bambi. The dog is not even wearing a choke chain! Three little corrections in a four minute routine. I guarantee you will do more than that to your Schnauzer when it comes to getting that big boy over a 41 inch hurdle carrying a dumbbell.
doggiedogblog 3 years ago
Rofl. I plan on training Schutzhund, but I don't plan on dragging my Giant Schnauzer across rocks by her ear. So the dog didn't give you a toy, no need to choke it. ee
And an abused dog is more likely to be a dog that is more firmly attached because it does not wish to be hurt again, so just because the dog is "attached" and "loves", doesn't mean it's not terrified.
Yeah, I cried when Bambi's mother died, but I know the difference between a cartoon getting shot, and a dog getting choked.
Mirokiki 3 years ago 3
Please send us that video when you accomplish something more than running your mouth. I will accept any video comment you send with proof of your training skills. We already know your eyesight is questionable
doggiedogblog 3 years ago
Too bad all you can do is hit your dog and attempt to make people feel down.
I know that if anyone attempted to do that to Maggie, I would shoot them. I know first hand how easy it is for a dog to get a collapsing trachea, which Margaret has because of someone jerking her around like this video shows. Mag was tied up in a back yard and supposed to be a "guard dog".
I'll send you training video as soon as my Schnauzer arrives, you can be sure.
Mirokiki 3 years ago 3
Mirokiki. Do they have eye care where you live? I said before you need your eyes examined if you saw rocks and choking in that video. Now your are seeing someone hitting a dog and accusing me and I am not even in the video. Geez dude or dudette. You need a serious reality check. And I wasn't trying to make you feel bad. I was worried about your ability to watch a video and see what is actually happening without imagining all types of horrid things that just didn't happen.
doggiedogblog 3 years ago
Wait wait wait.. Dude /or/ Dudett? Where do you live?
Did you even look at my profile? Then how the hell would you not know if I did or did not have a video of dog training up that you should have taken a look at? Sorta ironic to be saying I need my eyes checked when you don't even look, eh?
To pop a collar to that extent, in my opinion, is choking. If I did it to Margaret, she would fall over hacking because she's had it done to her before to the extent where her trachea collapses.
Mirokiki 3 years ago 2
@Mirokiki Are you Kidding! a SHNAUZER! your comparing training that to a GSD. go back to small dog school where you go to the local pet store to learn sit down and stay... you have no clue!
adamca96 1 year ago
@adamca96 That reply was from over two years ago and my opinions have changed. Really interesting to see that people still read it, though.
Mirokiki 1 year ago
alright some of u guys have to grow up. u people that think the negative reinforcements are cruel r making dogs sound like wimps. i miean german sheperds are tought dogs and can sometimes be hard headed. so u need that negative reinforcement. just as long as u know what ur doing. dogs can handle some pain. i think dogs are much tougher than humans. and obviously the dogs are not injured in any way and they love their handlers.
loved the video.
elitedogtrainer 3 years ago
Excellent comment Elite. Best of luck in your dog training. Do a youtube search for lolita schutzhund to see some awesome working videos of this dogs sister, raised and trained by the same handler as the dog in this video. Very impressive and worth a look. I bred both dogs and have just recently repeated this very sucessful breeding. Pups due in August 08.
doggiedogblog 3 years ago
i find clickers to be incredibly annoying...i could never use one in training because i would go insane over the sound. and harris, that's AWESOME about the dogs! i hope the next litter is as great as the first! Do you think any of them will go on to do K9 or search and rescue?
Beachbuns612 3 years ago
i did schH1 in Germany and that's how we were thought to train, if we even thought about bringing a clicker to the school we got in serouis training, my Rott was a great dog and I'm happy I never trained with a clicker.. takes to damn long and it take the right dog for that type of training.. I now have a GSD puppy who will be learning SchH and will be trained the same way as my rott.. positive and negative reenforcement..
great work
Matrixrats 3 years ago
Just like there is nothing wrong with neg. reinforcement if done correctly, there is nothing wrong with clicker training if done and understood correctly. As you stated, it's about balance. To be a balanced trainer you need to understand your dog and use methods appropriate for that dog. Training all dogs with the same approach will not get you the kind of success you get from using the right method for each individual dog. Excellent comment. Thank you.
harrisd1dog 3 years ago
I see nothing wrong in this video at all... The dog is obviously not afraid of his handler and from what i see adores her, so obviously whatever negative reinforcement she has given has not made any mark on their relationship.
Beachbuns612 3 years ago
Keen observation Beachbuns. This dog does adore her handler. They have achieved high success in their sport. As have this dogs other brothers and sisters. All five puppies from this litter have obtained titles. Two are ScH 3 and two more will be soon. One competes on a National level and two have had regional success. I just repeated the breeding since it was so successful.
harrisd1dog 3 years ago
I have no objections that the dogs have all the talent in world. They look like fine representations of the breed.
LifeOfAdversity 3 years ago
Ya guys there is nothing wrong with giving a dog a job. In order to have to be effective you have to give corrections. There is nothing wrong to say NO to a dogs there are lots of ways LOL.
I am in the US! We found a club 2 1/2 hours away that is mixed with beginners and advanced. I have a wonderful feeling about it.
HunterJumperLuver 3 years ago
We are thinking of getting a German Shepherd (sable) for this sport. It looks so handy and cool. It is a good sport for dogs to work off energy.Man I cant wait LOL
HunterJumperLuver 3 years ago
Sounds like you have a great plan. What part of the country are you from? Some areas in the US have very little in the way of clubs to support you and some area's have many helpful clubs.
doggiedogblog 3 years ago
And the real crime here is that sports like Schutzhund/IPO is not accepted. Displaying videos like this does not do the sport one bit of good. It offers an open invitation for those whom object to our sport, to criticize the sport. When the truth is that more and more trainers are having great success with training programs that minimize force. I am not so sure what the purpose of posting this video was. I am sure it was not with intention of promoting the sport.
LifeOfAdversity 3 years ago
The point is to show that you can correct a dog without harming, destroying it's spirt, dulling it's drive or any of the things that people who do not know what their doing often blame on corrections. This dog was well raised and is loved. She can take a two second correction from her master without falling apart. -more-
doggiedogblog 3 years ago 2
First inflincting pain in the name of training, especially for points and not a true utilitarian or social purpose is indeed abuse. Aversive training does not necassarily mean it has to be painful. I have yet to meet a person that need the infliction of pain in order to learn thier ABC's, Nuclear physics, or how to do summer sault or how to play tennis. Saying that some dogs just need pain (codeword:correction) in order to learn is ignorant.
LifeOfAdversity 3 years ago
My dogs correct each other harder than this all the time and two seconds later they are playing with each other and happy. Well raised dogs understand corrections and do not fall apart. They just learn from them. Watch this dog work in some of the other videos of her and her handler and you will see they have an awesome bond and a great working relationship. Thanks for commenting.
doggiedogblog 3 years ago 2
This comment illustrates two things.
First, that you do not understand the need for positive/negative reinforcement training of dogs.
Second, that you do not understand that training dogs and raising/educating humans are not quite the same...some similarities, but many more differences.
SteinbaumGSD 3 years ago
I sure Do. -R is increasing the frequency of a behavior by avoiding an aversive. Look, I have a lot of success in Sch. I have not do that, because I do not understand learning theory. But I also understand that dogs have feelings and thoughts. I also understand that the dog tells us evertything that we are do wrong.
LifeOfAdversity 3 years ago
I love it....in the name of training it's not abuse!
It's not abuse if you understand what your doing!!!
Negative reiforement and Abuse cannot co-exist!!!
So full of Shit.
LifeOfAdversity 3 years ago
LifeofAdversity. There have been so many negative comments on this clip that I think people believe you are being sarcastic.
harrisd1dog 3 years ago
Secondley what's up insulting Canadians and liberals? I mean we're talking about dogs here, not politics or national origin. Cause if you're going to take the stance that all liberals and Canadians are tree hugging panseys, maybe we should assume that all conservatives are racist, homophobic, dog abusers. No? Then lay off the discrimatory crap. Oh and for the record I'm a Lib who likes big dogs, guns, and the 1st amendent, so what's that say for your stereotypes?
soulcop83 3 years ago
Finally to harrisd1dog WTF? Man do you have an ego on you. I mean first you act like anybody who doesn't have a GSD doesn't have a real dog, I love them and have owned one pure bitch and one mix bitch but I've also owned a pit and I can tell you as far as attitude goes the pit wins hands down. My point being ownig and training GSDs does not make you Bill Bad Ass, so lay off the if you don't own a GSD you're less of a dog owner reterick.
soulcop83 3 years ago
That being said I didn't find the clip to show signs of "dog abuse" I did see an "owner" (notice I said owner not parent) frustated with her dog's non compliance who corrected the dog's action in a way that worked for her and this dog. Have I done the same? Yes. Did it work? Yes with that dog. Have I ever abused my pets? Hell no, but I have disciplined and corrected them and will continue to do so as long as needed.
soulcop83 3 years ago
Dogs just like people are individuals, and as such require different teaching/training approaches. Some will respond to all positive feedback some with a combination of positve and negative, that being said, claiming that a trainer couldn't train a dog in schutzhund with all positve encouragment is like saying a cop is less a cop because his academy valued academics over quasi military structure.
soulcop83 3 years ago
I love watching training like this. Stiffling animation, slouching heels. slow retrieves. just lets me know thats one more competitor (if you can call them that) I do not have to worry about.
heres a tip to the lady making the do yelp in the blue shirt, stop kicking the crap out of the dog, put the toy in your hand outside his head, or put in your pocket! give the dog his reward to his left, and for gods sake stand straight. your making him crooked. and then you kick his ass for it?
LifeOfAdversity 3 years ago
Personally I dont blame the dog for doing that.
That bird has nice lookin boobs!!
allteesup1 4 years ago
Good eyes Allteesup! I wasn't even filming the dog. I was filming the handler! Over 30,000 views and your the first person to figure this out. Your my hero :) They're even better in person too.
doggiedogblog 4 years ago
I think it is great to see a video that uses both negative and positive reinforcment. I think that distractions and corrections are just as important as using toys and food.
Bluecatdemoness 4 years ago
And you would be 100% right. But, most people just don't understand balance in training. It's got to be an all or nothing kind of thing for them. All pos. or all neg. I don't understand why, but I think they just get stuck in trying to be right.
doggiedogblog 4 years ago
Im not a pro dog trainer by any means, but cant you scold a dog without inflicting pain? I understand you are the super hard core dog trainer type, but Ive never heard of, or had the notion to inflict pain on my dog to teach a lesson. Thanks for sharing your vid
vulcan505 4 years ago
Your welcome Vulcan. And your right. There are other ways. Some use more positive types of methods and some are harder. This woman raised this dog from a pup and knew what it would take to correct her dog. I taped it to show you could give a hard correction, without killing the dogs drive. This is a very hard, working dog. Watch how quickly the dog recovers once the toy comes back out.
doggiedogblog 4 years ago
Vulcan, you are absolutely right. There are other ways. Some better, some worse. Some more suited for one dog than another. That is the trick. Know what works for which dog. This handler raised her dog from a puppy. She knows what is necessary to motivate her dog. Watch the retrieve video I posted. She knows how to get the most out of her dog. And she works hard. This is no couch potato! The dog or the handler :)
doggiedogblog 4 years ago
I think the effort and work you guys are doing is great, I love a working shepherd. I can't say I agree with the yanking, I think there are other ways to handle that problem but thats my opinion.
xwildman138x 4 years ago
Nice post wildman. It's a big world and I value everyone's input. Thanks for watching. I have a new blog you might be interested in. doggiedogblog dot com
doggiedogblog 4 years ago
there is nothing wrong with the negative part but people, please remember that you only have 3 seconds after you correct the dog to praise him/her. if not, you will break the dog down.
modelingmania 4 years ago
Nice comment. This dog went on to score very high in her competions and lives happily ever after in a nice home where she is loved and cared for.
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
Why, exactly, do you use negative reinforcement
as you call it, aka, abuse, to train these
dogs when there is absolutely NO reason for it?
You dont know how to train dogs using
positive methods?
People, don't do as these do.. positive
reinforcement all the way. Abuse your dog
for not understanding and there will be
negative effects alright.
NiknSaf 4 years ago
Love to see your video's of dogs trained with all and only positive methods obtaining titles. So, far we here a lot about it, but no proof. Where is the proof?
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
So the videos that I posted of the out of control rescue dog walking much more nicely than this dog, don't count.
pupscouts 4 years ago
Yep, they didn't count. That is why I said those nice things about you and your wonderful work. Of course they count. They just don't compare. Pet training verses Schutzhund. No comparison.
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
Okay, just keep telling yourself that somehow your dogs are different than other dogs. Maybe someday somebody will believe it.
pupscouts 4 years ago
Those dogs are very different to other dogs. Bred for their intelligence and workability, not looks and fluffiness. Their being trained as working dogs where a lapse in obedience could cost theirs or their handlers lives. A bit of discipline never hurt anyone.
mrbeetham 4 years ago
it fascinates me that so many people think that schutzhund obedience is so good. you could never comfortably walk down the street with the dog constantly banging into you. I understand that the dog should appear animated and "in drive" .... just not impressed with what you consider "precision"
weavermom3 4 years ago
I have been training professionally for 25 years and I have never heard anyone say SCH ob is that great. Hard considering that tracking and protection are coupled with it, but impressive looking and precise? No.
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
My point was that people who bash AKC obedience often (not always) stem from "working" history & often that is a sch background. Harris, are you active in sch? and do you see a trend among sch trainers to change obedience? or do you feel that people train this way in part because of "peer pressure" everyone else does it that way type of thing? Not trying to be antagonistic.
weavermom3 4 years ago
obviously you are involved in sch. sorry did not realize you were the original poster. I have only ever titled one dog in sch. all of my training is only in training service dogs.
weavermom3 4 years ago
No antagonism taken. I enjoy the discussion. I title both in AKC and SchH. They are very different. One is more precise, and the attitude of the dog is not taken into account. One is less precise, but the relationship the dog has with the handler is critical to a good score. I believe the best trainers can accomplish both. But, there is little doubt that SchH ob is easier than AKC when it comes to passing or failing.
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
although tat is a method of traing i dont agree wit tat much force. the only time i us tat much force is out of fustration and regreat it shortly after. Expecially on the most sensitive part of the neck. (the upper)Wit a pinch collar tat hurts a lil.
Tru3vet 4 years ago
Sorry you have to get mad to hurt your dogs. I don't get mad. I just use the appropriate amount of correction to create avoidance of certain behaviors. I am not the trainer in this video, but I was there. She was not mad, but she was tired of getting her boob nipped at :) So she made an effective correction to stop the behavior in the future. It worked well.
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
When I see a client's dog behave like this (the boob nipping type of behavior and it's usually in young dogs), I ask questions to see if they've been inflicting pain on the dog or scaring it in any way. It always turns out they are even if they're unaware...
pupscouts 4 years ago
...The correction that pain gives is short term. The long term results are having a dog who has no confidence in you and starts to obey out of fear of worry. Unfortunately, leaders don't behave like that so we have start working to instill the dog's confidence in the person as a leader. Until the dog can see the person as a leader, he'll always feel as though he can invade their personal space. That coupled with the insecurity of not having a real leader create this problem...
pupscouts 4 years ago 2
Obey out of fear. The same reason you pay your taxes, stop at red lights and look both way before you cross the road. What is wrong with a little fear? Keeps you from getting hurt. This dog learned from her correction and never made it again. Excellent!
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
If fear is the main thing keeping you behaving like a halfway civilized person, I worry.
GnarlyCranium 3 years ago
...This just supports my view that people who train like this create difficult dogs so they can look tough handling them.
pupscouts 4 years ago 2
Now your just being silly. This dog was bred tough, because she is being used for a tough job. Don't see many rescues doing police work. But, this dog could.
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
No, I'm being quite serious. You'd like to think that this dog is tougher than anything a "cookie" trainer could work with but, really, I work with "tough" dogs on a regular basis. There's no need for brutality.
pupscouts 4 years ago
Exactly my point. There was no brutality. If you knew anything about dogs like this one you would understand. Watch the retrieve video I posted of this dog taken about two minutes after this horrible correction you keep crying about. See if the dog is still thinking about the correction or has totally recovered and moved on to have some fun with her totally awesome handler.
doggiedogblog 4 years ago
Would it not better that you tride to TRAIN the dogs? A dog doesn't learn when you correction it. Can't you be a little mot nice to the dogs? I mean FUCK! The dog screams when you train it! Are you blind or something? The dog is in pain for hells sake!
Train your dogs next time, this isn't dog training, this is dog abuse!
Goldenkillar 4 years ago
Nicely said Golden. You have such a sweet way with words. I feel sure from your kind words that your the nicest person on earth. I think everyone should listen to a person who writes comments like yours. Very helpful. Thanks.
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
you are a sarcastic snobby bitch, i guess you must have taken a lot of shit on here for your video or else youre just always like this? either way dont take all the comments so seriously , people write whatever they want on the internet, no holds bars..so just learn to deal with the positive and negative feedback or stop posting.. most posters just dont comment back on their own videos to avoid this
tminard20 4 years ago
well its definately not dogs abuse, but why does your dog yelp so much. werent you just tugging hard on its choke collar? i think its just a whiny dog because it shouldnt yelp like that just from a little correction.
tminard20 4 years ago
Actually I am not blind. Perhaps I am deaf. That is why I can't hear the dog screaming. Do you have something against disabled people training dogs? Are you a racist also?
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
Where is the positive reinforcement??
jwebster28 4 years ago
the aint none lol
twinclaire 4 years ago
Speak for yourself twin. This dog isn't guttless like you keep sounding in your comments. This dog can take it and dish it out. She works hard and plays hard and doesn't ask for any help from liberal candy asses who would rather see true working dogs dead than trained.
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
the positive reinforcement comes when the dog gets to bite. Wnat it to bit you?
Gingercat19 4 years ago
Oops. Want it to bite you?
Gingercat19 4 years ago
Amen Gingercat. This dog loves to bite and works hard to earn that reward. We should suit old twinclaire up and let him/her take a few bites from this fine animal. Maybe then they would have some respect for the power behind a dog like this one. And some ideal what it takes to maintain it's respect and obedience.
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
I own sheps so i do what i am talking about, what planet do you come from
twinclaire 4 years ago
What does owning sheep have to do with understanding how powerful a working line German Shepherd Dog is compared to a Cock-A-Poo? Even the average GSD doesn't compare to a working line GSD with strong drives. What have you been doing with those sheep Twin?
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
were does it say SHEEP it says (sheps) short for german shepherd, you havent been around much have you,
twinclaire 4 years ago
Ooh sorry I see now. You have short german shepherds. How short are they? Were they bred short on purpose or are they mutations? Why did you want short GSD's. Are they easier to catch when they run away from you because of their short legs? ROTFLOL!!!!
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
funny ha ha working line German Shepherd Dog i do believe you have the same, pity urs has short legs too :-)
twinclaire 4 years ago
Twin I am so happy and proud to see you have a sense of humor. Keep it real and enjoy those short legged dogs :) I sure do love mine and I know you love your also.
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
Mr. Webster do you have any idea what would motivate a dog like this to work? A scooby snack perhaps? A rub down? A sweet pat on the head? Or a chance for that ball the chick has hidden in her bra! This dog lives for one thing. Chase it, bite it, kill it. Watch her bite work video and know this isn't your little poodle working here. This is a mans dog being worked by a woman with the heart of a lion.
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
Geez. Okay, the level of training and ability I've seen in some videos is amazing, sure. You can give the towering ego a rest though, it's getting creepy.
GnarlyCranium 3 years ago
Thanks for the compliments. Part of being an effect trainer is having confidence in oneself (EGO) that is for sure. Glad you noticed.
doggiedogblog 3 years ago
I hope one day the dog bites the bitch of a trainer!!
MrChunkyV2 4 years ago
Mr Chunky you are not a very nice person. Why do you want to harm people. Was your Mum mean to you as a child? Did your Dad not care, take you to the fair or change your underwear? I am sorry your unhappy. Does being mean to people make you feel better?
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
I personally think its a shame, the harsh methods used. Your training sessions must be that important, that you go to all measures. I personally don't like the methods, if someone done that to my dog, i'd report them to the rspca.
These harsh methods obviously get results for what the dogs are trained for, but menatlly, if must be so damanging, mans best friend, but what about the other way.
jimmyyabass 4 years ago
hear hear, I think in the united kingdom we treat our animals with respect
twinclaire 4 years ago
Respect is a great thing. Unfortunately, many animals and people (note your little Muslim problem in the UK) take overt kindness as a sign of weakness and then take advantage. Watch the video again. She gave this dog repeated chances to stop and when the dog refused she corrected it. Then the correction was over and the play began. I just stopped taping, but you can see she is throwing the ball and playing with the dog. Watch the other videos.
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
You can't see with your own eyes this dog is not damaged in anyway? This is a hard natured, working animal, not a puffy poodle. Watch the dogs ears, body posture, tail, eyes and return to happiness when the ball comes out for sign of stress. You will see none.
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
one day you will get what you deserve, your face being bitten off,(I hope so anyhow)
twinclaire 4 years ago
How sad for you that you hate people and wish them harm. I will pray for you. Are you a liberal? I find that most liberals are haters and are generally ashamed of being a human. Do you hate yourself or just other people?
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
I dont hate people I just hate the way that some people treat there animals, ok put it this way you beat the shit out of your dog, on day that dog has has enought it Retaliates and bites you, what happens next, you have that dog put to sleep, what happens to the person that makes him bite in the first place,
Fuck all
twinclaire 4 years ago
Twin please calm down and remember to take your medication each day. No one is killing dogs. As a matter of fact I save dogs each day. I recently had my the tip of my finger bitten off by a dog I was giving treats to. I did not kill him. I taught him not to do that again. No killing. Only training.
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
Besides you see the whole video. No one beat taht dog. It was a leash and collar correction. And the dog did not shit. Did you see the dog shit? Nope. Just wag her tail and then later get a reward and play. Are you sure were watching the same video?
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
I never said i saw the dog shit or see some one beat the dog in question, but what i did see was a sheps head nearly ripped off by being yanked so hard he had to cry out in pain that is disgusting after all he is only a puppy, with kind hands and heart you can teach your dog anything because he will be happy to please you
twinclaire 4 years ago
Now you just lying. You said you hate the way I beat the shit out of my dogs. Read your own comments. Secondly the dog looks pretty happy towards the end and is heeling with ears up, tail up and wanting to play ball. No undue pressure. Perhaps you think the dog is wearing a choke chain. Are your worried about it's neck? She is not wearing a choke chain and no damage was done to this very valuable animal.
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
i never said YOU beat the shit out of your dog i said some people beat there dog, when i said you that was not pointed at you personaly is was a figure of speach, I dont think you read right
twinclaire 4 years ago
Ok, I don't read that well. And perhaps you don't write so well either. Were both a bit at fault. Can we be friends now and go out and play?
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
Overall though I like this comment much better. At least your saying what you believe and not just saying nasty things about other people. I appreciate how much you have learned and how much you care about animals. I think you are doing much better with your comments. Keep up the good work :)
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
This is absolutely disgusting, you should be ashamed woman, this poor pup, not very fun training at all
jimmyyabass 4 years ago
Unlike some people, dogs understand corrections and don't attack for no reason or just because they don't like something. At least normal dogs anyway. But, people like to judge and attack regardless of whether they have any real reason. Just a perceived one is enough. Perhaps you should try to be more like your dog.
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
oups, i guess u understood me wrong, sorry,
i don't hate old people - no i think younger
can learn a lot from them...
but sometimes they should change there old fashioned
way of trying to train a dog.
btw:
wtf is a "sicko"???
*rofl*
muzuza23 4 years ago
Muzuza I was just poking fun at you. I know you don't hate old people. You just have no respect for the old ways and think everything new has to be better. If that is true then why is euthanasia the number one killer of dogs? Because they are being killed due to bad behavior and lack of training. People are so politically correct they would rather kill a dog than correct it. Very sad, but it happens all the time.
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
i am sorry to say, but
this vid is seriously not a ad for dog training.
in this way they trained in my area 20 years ago,
okay some old people never will learn...
muzuza23 4 years ago
muzuza, oldism will not be tolerated on youtube. If you hate old people then just keep it to yourself you sicko!
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
I don't care what she's trained to do- there is no need to make a dog cry out in pain in the name of training. It's a cowardly and lazy way to train.
And I'm not "well meaning"- I'm professional and effective.
pupscouts 4 years ago
Prove it. A video is worth a thousand words.
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
Click on my user name. I have videos of Casper, a dog who was a rescue and was considered untrainable. There's Dulcey, the Lab mix that was taped less than 30 minutes after I started working with her. Her potential adopter didn't take her because she wouldn't stop jumping at her face and was dragging her around by her leash. I also do a lot of behavioral stuff and there's Peewee who was about to be put down for her fear aggression. All positve; no whincing or pain.
pupscouts 4 years ago
I train pet dogs like that everyday using balanced training approaches. Saved hundreds of dogs lives over the years. But, were talking about a high drive working dog here. Not a lab or a golden mix. Have you ever had your hands on a dog that really knows he can kick your butt and is willing to prove it? What do you do when a dog tries to bite you seriously, not a fear thing cringing away, but an attack? Try giving that dog a treat and see where it gets you.
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
Pupscout I applaud your work with rescues and believe you methods and services have value to the dog world and to your clients. But, this video is about a type of training and type of dog you know little if anything about. Feel free to visit my trainig center anytime. I will hand you a dog or two and let you learn first hand the value of positive only methods with dogs like these. There is no sustitute for hands on experience :)
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
Keep telling yourself that some how as a full time trainer who works regularly with aggressive "high drive" dogs that I haven't run across dogs like this. I'm sure it makes it a lot easier to hurt dogs.
pupscouts 4 years ago
I don't know why you consider yourself so special. What is it that you do that is unique? Have you seen my video's? Do you realise I am not the girl in the vid, rather the camera man and took this video for instructional purposes. Much has been learned from discussing it. Including the fact that you have poor observation skills and lack the ability to say anything nice about anyone other than yourself.
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
I'm not special- there are 1,000s of dog trainers who are effective yet gentle. They do pet obedience, agility, Schutzhund, police work etc. I get upset when people use the excuse of "high drive" or "working dog" as a reason to hurt dogs.
And I know you're not the person in video. I'm responding to your comments including your snarky warning.
My comments were meant to be instructional also- to teach people that they don't need to hurt a dog to train it.
pupscouts 4 years ago
I am a seriou, full-time professional trainer. I not only have private clients with dogs of all breeds including my fair share of GSDs but I do a lot of work with shelter dogs, mostly Pits. Many of these dogs have severe behavioral problems. There is no need to treat a dog like that to get excellent results!
The only aggressive GSDs I've seen are ones who went through training like this. It comes down to the attitude of "Look at me- I can handle an aggressive dog." It's sad really.
pupscouts 4 years ago
pupscout, I am sure you are well meaning and work hard. Your shelter work is commendable. But, no one ever said this dog was being corrected for being aggressive. She is protection trained and titled as a sport dog, but shows no aggression towards her handler, before, during or after the correction.
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
treat a dog like a human, and they'll treat you like a dog
gigalojam 4 years ago
Well most dogs are more forgiving that a lot of humans. But, you point is well taken. Dogs are not people and deserve to be treated like what they are. Sensitive, caring animals that need consistent guidence so they know what is expected of them and how to get what they want out of life. Food, toys and attention from a strong leader they can trust.
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
Just to add, if you smack a dog for no reason, or call it over for a smack then that is cruel but remember dogs are tough.
BreezeTV 4 years ago
I have 50kg Shepherd which i got @ 8 y/o I guess i found him on a train station in Australia. I started training him and with both gentle and aggresive techniques i have him going really good. Sometimes a dog needs a smack (NOT A FLOGGING) they shred each other in the wild. and would you rather a dog under someones car dead or smacked on the chops and alive? which is more humane my 50kg shepherd can walk anywhere unleased and obeys no regimed training= dangerous dog.
BreezeTV 4 years ago
Excellent point Breeze. Unfortunately some people are afraid to correct their dog. Afraid the dog will no longer love them. So, they allow the dog to misbehave and then get rid of them because the are to much trouble. Or the dog gets killed as you said because of no obedience or control. So sad for dogs that have weak owners. Dogs love an owner that is not afraid to be a leader and is not a whimp.
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
You have a very serious attitude problem, yourself.
A healthy person is not nearly so defensive.
aeiou99999 4 years ago
All of you asshats that post negative comments have OBVIOUSLY never owned a GSD or a Belgian Malinois. These dogs HAVE to know who's boss, and you HAVE to assert yourself over the dog. These dogs are smart, but they are also pushy. If you give an inch, they will take 2 miles just to see what they can get away with.
mooglepimp 4 years ago
People like you that coddle your dogs and let them run your life, you are the people that don't know how to train, and you make me SICK when you come onto places like this and parade around your "Knowledge" of how to train dogs.
mooglepimp 4 years ago
o your dog can sit, lie down, and shake? HOORAY FOR YOU! Will your dog walk right next to you in a crowded area and never break eye contact with you? Can you stand 30 feet from it and will it still do ALL of the commands instantly? No, which is why you guys are NOT Schutzhund trainers.
mooglepimp 4 years ago
You people wouldn't last a day and your dogs would be NIGHTMARES! I cringe everytime I see a GSD or Belgian that isn't under control, those dogs can do massive damage if not trained correctly. Do yourselves a favor, research something before you post about it (and training your mutt, poodle, or other toy dog does NOT make you a trainer AT ALL!) *gets off soapbox*
mooglepimp 4 years ago
(click the "view all comments" button to view my rant in order 0:-)
mooglepimp 4 years ago
Mooglepimp, I enjoyed your rant. Please feel free to post on my videos anyday. Just one question? What is a mooglepimp?
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
A moogle is a character from the Final Fantasy series (google image search) and I just stuck the "pimp" on the end because I "moogle" was already taken and I couldn't think of anything else to add to it :-p
mooglepimp 4 years ago
That Girl In the Blue should not be a dog tranier, I bet if it wasnt recordin, she would be beating that dog senseless..people like that are just in the sport, to feel powerful or something..
Good Training method.. Pron collar..
AsheyCadbury 4 years ago
I would expect no less from a Canadian. A poorly thought out emotional response with no basis in reality. Just touchy feely. Possibly a cat trainer? Certainly not a trainer of top notch working dogs with drive. This dog isn't a house pet. Get a life and get a poodle if you are afraid to correct a dog with this type of drive. Hot dogs won't get it done. She will bite you and take your hot dogs. What then? An intervention?
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
shes supposedly a dog trainer? for schutzhund? wouldnt even pass muster.
twoid 4 years ago
She has titled many dogs to Schutzhund 3 and has been invited to top competitions. What have you done?
The dog in this video is SchH 1 now and scored very well thank you.
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
I agree. The timing isn't good. But, I don't think she was trying to time a correction to perfect heeling. She was making a statement "an attitude" correction. This is a powerful animal and very pushy. She was simply trying to get the dogs respect. 95-93-95 SchH 1 says she got it.
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
ridiculous
snap0902 4 years ago
I agree completely. Well said.
harrisd1dog 4 years ago
i love german shepherds♥
yay theyre really great!
ilubabe12 4 years ago