Not coming to terms with the fact that the Republic is dead reminds me of that movie Weekend at Bernie's, where they pretend that Bernie is still alive, to keep a facade of normalcy. It was a comedy because of the ridiculousness of their situation. I wonder if ours is any less ridiculous...
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"the system won't continue for even another 10 years?" what changed your mind, what happened to every major victory takes 200 years and that anarchy wouldn't be seen in yours or mine generation??
I just don't understand how this a conspiracy theory. How do the dumbasses below me see any similarity between interpreting taxes as strong arm robbery, and thinking the Feds are hiding alien WMDs in Area 51? The big difference is that Stefan is following a philosophy, conspiracy theorists follow... That's right, theories.
3:12 I was about to say it "The revolution of mind" people wake up, it's so important, I don't want everybody to be conspiracy theorist or things like that. I wish everybody to find real values of life, work, and everything around
wtf dude, u lose all credibility when u talk about women as victims & being taken as prize, but don't say shit about about dead men at their feet or the men who did the heavy lifting to give them the vote. i don't know answer but everyone including u, realize the statism victomology welfare state is result of women getting the vote. goddam, I almost think ur smart guy but u r stuck on indocrination of women as damsel in distress when it has always been, as is today, men barried in coal mines.
Quit being so damn dramatic. It's not nearly as bad as you're making it out to be. South America used to be in pretty bad shape because of colonialism and then the impossible debts imposed on them by the international banks. Now, they're emerging into economic powerhouses which will threaten the US's place in the world. Their secret isn't some libertarian ideology, simply being practical about the problems their countries faced and finding real world solutions to solve them.
The American State is not as 'Dead and Burried' as Mr. Molyneaux suggests. While I do not disagree that nothing can be done to stop it. There is much worse to come. The wrenching and pitching of the ship of state and the utter panic of her passengers has yet to fully set in. What we see now are only the moans of the hull as she strains under the unbearable weight. In a ship this big, the worst is yet to come.
The system didn't keep up with modern technology. Science, and economics outpaced judiciary, The failure of the courts was when they criminalized the system of Laissez Faire', instead of weeding the criminals out of it. What they did was an anti-biotic approach, you kill the good red blood cells, with the bad white blood cells to save the patient, but the disease only mutated and the prescription is to keep killing it all. The judiciary has to evolve like science and man does.
Great video, and some fantastic artistry. I don't share many of the views or accept the arguments, but it certainly is enjoyable to stop in every now and then to see what Stefan has uploaded recently. I suppose that people like me would be the types to stay in and help fix the problems in the finest nation man has ever made, rather than flee as things get tough. Yes, there are people edging towards the door, but don't worry, I'll remind them to grab their hats on their way out.
Slavery is at an all time high in the world. It was just laundered to make it more palatable. Don't you get it? Money is the tool to keep the slaves in line. Earth is a left brain controlled, slave planet. The illusion of freedom, is necessary to keep the slaves productive. Religion is a powerful tool for controlling the slaves and getting them to believe that there is better ahead. Without a lot of outside help, no one will be letting go, of what they believe to be reality.
The gov is dying? About time! We sure need a revolution.
although gov isn't the last ancient tyranny that needs to die. We still got religion, or at least the forceful ones. Too bad so many aren't willing to give up that safety blanket.
Instead of gloom and doom and whining and complaining this guy should get out there and use his tiny brain to change his own life. For those who can, do. For those who can't, they make doom and gloom youtube videos.
@lizardgizard2002 The "doom and gloom" you speak of is subjective. To me, and to the video maker, undoubtly, the collapse of statism as we know it is a wonderful thing.
There's no whining or negativity in these videos, it's just reality and disucssion for better things. You see doom and gloom because you're deluded into thinking that statism as we know it is a good thing. It's reaching its end, and you should prepare yourself for that reality.
@GtheMVP You and the video maker are not unlike Alex Jones. You have found your conspiracy theory niche. The only thing is you think reality will conform to your fantasy. It is not going to happen. Be careful of the gurus that you follow for you surely will be disappointed.
I don't follow anyone, certainly not the politicans that bribe us with our own money while pointing a gun to our heads if we don't comply with said bribes..
Do you like paying for illegal wars, banking casinos, tyranny?
btw, what the hell does this have to do with Alex Jones? He's a religious statist.
Why are you on this board anyways? Is someone paying you to troll teh internets?
@GtheMVP As I expected, you are a conspiracy theorist. The government is holding a gun to our heads are they? I guess I should call you a "paranoid" conspiracy theorist. Your paranoia comes through again when you say I am a paid troll just because my ideas differ from yours. Then on top of that you do not want me on this board. That sounds like control to me and that is what you try to discourage in the fantacy "after government is destroyed" world. You already belong to a cult, poor fellow.
@lizardgizard2 If you're not a paid troll, then you're failing yourself if you can't see the gun the government needs to enforce its ridiculous ways. Don't want to pay criminal retroactive taxation? Good luck resisting arrest.
I've seen your type many times b4, you're out of your league
You're right on one thing, however, I could do without you on this board, but I'm not going to force anyone into anything because of words online. Besides, interwebs would be boring without tools like you
@GtheMVP I guess that you do not find it strange that right wing conspiracy theorists like your self resort to name calling when your intelligence is questioned. Typical also that you repeat what you said in your previous comment. Do you know why? It is because your type is not capable of original thought. You just parrot what your gurus have implanted in your tiny brain. Thus your use of "troll", "criminal retroactive taxation". You are being played by your gurus. Wake up!
@lizardgizard2002 haha, this coming from the guy calling people right wing conspiracy nuts and pea brains in opening statements. You couldn't insult my psoriasis disfigured thumbnail.
You're a joke, try sticking to the Alex Jones tinfoil types, they might buy your schtick.
I don`t know who you put on pedestals to have such trains of thought either, but I don`t have guru`s.
@GtheMVP LOL, guess who said this in August? "How can anyone not have a soft spot for Alex Jones? Sure he draws conclusions I never would with the facts he gets, but his peaceful anti-establishment and anti dumbing down of society messages makes him aces in my book". So much for not being an Alex Jones cult member. Try again. So funny. I'd say that you have been snookered.
@GtheMVP I can tell from your comment that you are sooooooo embarrassed. It is OK if you "love" Alex. Hey, he has a lot of kooky followers. You are not alone. Lets repeat your adoring comment.
How can anyone not have a soft spot for Alex Jones? Sure he draws conclusions I never would with the facts he gets, but his peaceful anti-establishment and anti dumbing down of society messages makes him aces in my book!
You do not have to resort to namecalling just because you are embarrassed.
Just google lizardgizzard2002 and see his spouting "cultist, conspiracy nut, right winger" at every turn, on seemingly anything anti government/globalist
A lot of people don't like to be labeled the things he spouts, so they keep their mouths shut for fear of being ostracized from their communities, and parasites like this this disinfo douche try to use that to silence dissent, it's classic shill spotting.
You're busted buddy, your own search apparatus tool is coming back to haunt you
@GtheMVP LOL. what nuts will do after a good woopin. Stop jumping up and down and having a tantrum. It is just the net. This isn't real life. Anyway it has been good beating you and embarrassing you. Now I hater myself for being such a bully. Not. Have a great day. End of debate.
@TheCapitalistdog Lol, you bet. It works too. I usually debate Austrian economic cult members. They can't stand it that I feel that people like Peter Schiff are wrong about history, economics and political reality.
"After the life boats have all left the Titanic, it's understandable to think that you would look at a banana peel and think that you can fashion a schooner.." great line
Stef, you may be right regarding "government" as an out of date concept. However, I submit, that the United States was the 1st government that tried to have a minimal government.
We haven't followed the Constitution in close to 100 years. If we were to shrink gov't to the size that it's supposed to be, we could begin to address the costs of gov't.
I'm not sure if you want to pay the price of watching The Nation-State die.
The thing is, the state that you had 100 years ago grew into the one you have today. There's a continuity there, driven by the inevitable workings of political economy, like a clock slowly ticking down towards detonation.
You're right, and the Founders saw this as well, which is why they created the Checks and Balances system. Fortunately, there may be enough of us to turn the clock back, if not, there's enough of us to reform within the Continental US and demand independence, and fight for it, if necessary.
Not for one minute will I ever believe Stef's World will be realized without a lot of death and destruction.
@captaindiesalot Yes, but this scaling down has proven historically impossible. If public opinion can be altered to that degree, I would be surprised, or it would probably be too late.
About your nation-state comment... I really hope you're not referring to a the US as a nation state...
I'm speaking about the progression of the polity. Humankind went through 1500 years of Devine Right, and the end of this system, as with those that preceded it was violent. The problem is exacerbated, because of the increase in lethality of military weapons.
I don't want to think about the type of violence we'll have to live through to obtain Stef's version of utopia.
The US, being a Republic, is the gov't structure that best serves the people, as the intermediate step.
Mahalo from occupied Hawai'i for your assessment of the US State. We here in Hawai'i have received over the years since the belligerent overthrow a triple dose of indoctrination from the ever-present US Military, descecrating graves, cultural sites, and bringing War to Hawaiian shores with their presence, the Fake-State of Hawai'i legitimising it's sell-out to big business hotels and development; bulldozing willy nilly, and the dumbing down of the populous with US TV entertainment and news.
Thank you for continuing to spread the word...not one person I've come into contact with wants to hear it...that statism is dead...that violence has never been a productive way to solve social problems,. They just continue to keep going to the polls and hope that their vote means something. I just can't seem to get through to anyone.
transitional times we are living in......we're either gonna make it or break it as a whole. I root and remain optimistic that we won't usher in the end of our species. A good portion of us are smart enough to make it.
Stef, your blind spots are few and far between, but are glaringly obvious. Here you mentioned that America's fiat currency is controlled by Government. It is not. The Federal Reserve is a private company disguised as being in the national interest. If you like history, you'll enjoy watching the film: The Money Masters. Much love dude keep up the good work.
As a thought experiment, try figuring out what would become of the Fed if it were left without state power. You'll see why nominal private ownership is not a sufficient criterion for calling it a private institution.
@PanzerDivisionBOM Totally agree, what I'm encouraging Stef to research further is the detail behind WHICH commercial entities comprise the Fed and what the most powerful individuals who head it up, have in common.
@ThereAreNoSides That's not completely accurate, either. The FRB is a collusion between government and bankers. Yes, the banks "own" the FRB, but there are limits on what they can do with their shares. The FRB was granted a special "charter" by the government. The government appoints its Board members. If you really want to know the roots of the problems, look at the National Bank Act of 1863, 1865. Before that, there were no "Panics".
I'd suggest everyone check out the 19 part series here on youtube ... intellectual and brilliant even more so than Stef --- it's by Warren Ferrell and is called, "The Myth of Male Power"
Type it in now and give it a listen. Other than Stef's "The Story of Your Slavery" video it's the BEST thing I have ever seen on youtube. check it out now! I promise, you will not be sorry...
Rivenrock, these kind of challenges you present are so tiring. I really don't understand how you think that your are objections are something that have never been presented before--as if you are the first one to present them--and now you expect every kind of conceivable objection could be answered in ONE vide. The man has hundreds of videos and podcasts where any objection you could dish up has been dealt with. It just isn't contained in one fucking video.
@Victorprossart1 It's not a challenge, it's a f#$%ing enquiry. And maybe I do need to go search through the 100 million hours of podcast he's apparently got somewhere, but it's a serious time commitment give how prolific (and repetitive) he is. However, here on YT, I have watched Stefan for months now talk about the collapse of the state, child abuse as the cause of all negative behaviours, statists as cattle, etc, but NOT ONCE about the transition from broken state to viable anarchist society.
@rivenrock That's because you're impatient. The US was built anew from the examples of failure of the past 1700+ years. The fact that it came to power so quickly is incredible. This "death" that he's referring to is going to take decades, and possibly centuries. He is a philosopher. His objective here is not to push us towards change, but to inform others of the impending change. Hopefully someone will heed his advice and use it to guide us towards a better future.
@sedatedlife18 "His objective here is not to push us towards change."
Of course it is. (@stefbot Am I wrong?) What's the point of philosophy if you analyse and never act?
Also, I don't think Stefan is hoping someone will listen and guide us towards a better future. I think he's hoping we will listen and guide ourselves towards a better future.
@rivenrock I agree on both points. I didn't mean someone in a "take charge, form a new government" kind of way. I meant in being the voice of reason in a sea of snakes and swindlers. Also I never meant to insinuate that he never wants us to act on the ideas he puts forth, but I did mean to say that he doesn't want us to rush into things acting irrationally. The small details of this kind of conversation usually cannot fit within the character limit. :)
Simply because you choose to depict it as "evil" doesn´t make it so. There is dire need for social regulation as this ludicrous "I´m not a witch" person got 40%!!! WTF??? Are those ppl crazy?
Recently i met s.o. proposing the "meta gov." of the future being formed right now, here in the virtual meeting room of the world where we the people deceide our ways! So in a sense the "old gov.type" needs to be abolished..
The government that changes is not the top of the pyramid. It is the banks who are the real state and they are doing exactly what they have planned. When people do not let go of the sinking illusory state, the new nightmare state can wipe them off the face of the earth. They will not need force to achieve this, they simply let us (push us into) fight/ kill each other. In the last 100 years social control has reached new and efficient heights. Awakened (minority) pockets of humanity offer hope.
I understand your take on the state. I like your vision of a future without it. I even see how it might work. But what I don't get, and wish you would talk about sometime, is the transition. States have fallen before and it's always a pathway to new government. Even if the current government fell, even if the economy collapsed, etc, the majority of citizens would still be statist and convinced it was simply the wrong government, not that government itself was the problem.
@rivenrock You sort of answer your own question by being here.. and understanding the truth of the state. This right here is the transition, a very long, multi-generational education. Stef has mentioned this hundreds of times, and it's very unfair of you to misrepresent him by stating incorrectly that he hasn't given every detail about transition that he physically can, and it's very simple, learn, educate and don't abuse your children.
@DreadLaw2 Hopefully Stefan will understand, as you have not, what I am asking here & the advice to 'learn, educate and don't abuse your children' has nothing to do with it. That refers to the personal transition of anarchists, whereas I am asking about societal transition from the statist system to anarchy in a society populated predominantly with people who are still committed to a statist paradigm. I just don't see how you get from A to B without some new government being formed.
@rivenrock Yeah, I understand, I used to be a bit ike that. Believing society to be some magical force above and beyond human beings which could be changed. Fortunately I met reality, in which human beings are the be all and end all of society. Human beings are the ones that have to live freedom, to show each other it is possible and to not abuse their children. Alot of long term personal transition for alot of people, is the answer, even if you don't like it.
@DreadLaw2 Actually I love that answer. (Not so much the patronising intro, but whatever.) But when Stefan talks collapse, he always seems to talk about things that would cause the collapse of a state, or even many states, but not the collapse of the statist paradigm.
@rivenrock To sum up my point, and one Stefan has (if I have understood him correctly) made on numerous occasions, is that there is no such thing as an anarchy populated predominantly with people who are still commited to a statist paradigm. What exactly is it that has changed in such a world? Nothing, you cannot change Concepts without making actual physical changes. People need to change, by living freedom, not looking for overnight world solving solutions, and loving their children.
@DreadLaw2 That's kind of my point - it wouldn't yet BE an anarchy. If the state only ever grows in power (and opting out of voting doesn't reduce the state's power) then collapse cannot come gradually. It would have to occur as a result of some catastrophic event (economy crashing due to unsustainable govt debt perhaps). AT THAT TIME the population will still be predominantly statist in their thinking and their response will be to form a new government.
@rivenrock Oh, and of course... live your Virtues! Stefs said this many times as well (again, how anyone can say he hasn't talked about transistion is crazy!), but the best way to show people that freedom is the way to go is to be free and be happy. Don't invoke the Government anymore than it enforces, don't waste a minute of your time voluntarily giving up your life to evil, live freedom, and associate only with people and activities that make you immediately happy. Live Freedom.
@rivenrock Thats really the big question. I personally think it will require geographical concentrations of liberty lovers. The kinds of societies that will emerge will likely be diverse and hard to anticipate. I suppose it is like how the people who founded the United State (missing s intentional) were theorizing about how a republican constitutional system might work and then implemented their ideas in practice. They didn't know how it would really work till it was tried.
It's kind of hard to think of the State as another sentient being that we must contend with. But the State has no identity other than the 100 million or so that comprise it that Stefan speaks about. But, in actuality the State is an entity, and it has been enslaving humanity for thousands of years. It needs to go! Thanks Stefan!
@morlandoemtp I want to be free to worship as i see fit for myself. I do not want to live in a world where we can not choose our own metaphysical philosophical beliefs about reality. It is the state, through manipulation, that uses misinformation about religious dichotomy to cause conflict.
i, personally believe, the america our founding fathers created died in the 1800's when the immigrants came and people like Rockefeller started controlling big business. thats when the america we believe to still exist died
@Leonar12345 I partially agree with you. That is a conversation with a really good friend that I had about a month ago. I think that was the beginning of the end.
Stef - 85% of human beings can not even abandon the fantasy of God, they are willing to die for a fictitious master...how do we expect literally billions to abandon Government? They will die first
As for slavery being ended...hmmm...I think maybe only on paper. I see more slaves today than I think there has ever been in the world.
Empires rise and fall, what is to say another wont just take the place of this one? Isn't it a bit naive to think otherwise? Have we come far enough yet?
@Nexus2Eden The difference now is that people buy into and condone their own enslavement. It's called debt culture. Debt provides the illusion of choice and abundance, and a reality of enslavement and poverty.
@rivenrock I honestly think the only thing that has changed in 2000 years is technology. The day to day life we experience today is truly no different than if we were living 2000 years ago - except for the level of technology.
Everything else - remains the exact same. Unfortunately - empirical evidence would support that there is no reason to think it ever will.
The death throe. This can go on for a very long time. It is sad to see, but even more sad to be in it. The government is imploding and will be a much smaller and less intrusive entity in the end, but beware the wounded animal lest ye be first to go out.
@TheStig000 By far the best line of the week, this is what should have run as the front page headline of every news paper still in print, but alas the news "folk" are told what news is and then smile pretty and stretch their make-up (that stops right under the chin so you have two different colors of "person"...) all over their confused, contorted mugs...ahhhh, I need a mentos or whatever the next advertisement tells me i need.
@shelnutt I have a feeling that the "news" is just propaganda. I mean, who watches the news to hear the facts of the situation? I think most people watch the news to reinforce their beliefs. It's very hard to question your beliefs. There isn't a big audience for it. They follow the money.
@TheStig000 it's exactly the same as the UK. This is the model they want all over the world, because it sucks so many people into such a fruitless cycle that will never attend to the needs of anyone other than those government, banks, and all forms of concentrated power desire. I suppose this is largely thanks to our media system that enforces its legitimacy on a daily basis. I do love the frequency of these vids Stef, thanks
@MarioSavioTZM You have it exactly right. It's a huge distraction. They want to discuss the fine details and not the core principles. Elephant in the room, or as Stef says, the gun in the room. The best tactic we have is to reveal the gun in the room. You can't ignore it once you've seen it.
@TheStig000 Don't dare mention the third largest party to the American people though,cause as any democrat or republican knows those Libertarians are crazy.
@dirtbagstatus Anyone running for office wants power. They think they know what's best for us. They think they know how to run the country. It's arrogant and false.
@TheStig000 True, but the Republican seems to be wising up just a bit... they owe it all to Obama. They should hold a parade for Obama for causing them to look deeper into politics. The only question is are they too late?
@RamsesReturns The Republicans are not wising up. They are just as blind. They think that if only THEY could tell everyone what to do, everything would be fine! I'm here to tell you that nobody has the moral right to do what the government does. I don't care who is in control of it. The initiation of force is the problem, not who is initiating it! Don't blame the gun for murder, blame the shooter.
@MrHappy702 It goes much further back. The end of the uncivilized war, no reparation was made and in place of reparation we got a new kind of slavery where we are all on a Federal plantation.
Great F**King speech! I feel your love brotha! This is the positive Energy we need to become a free society and live out our existence! Keep the great Energy going brotha, I feel inspired.
So who is really gonna be hurt when the collapse happens? I mean I'm poor and been living day by day for at least the last 7 years. The house I live in is paid for, I dont own a car, or have credit cards. My bills r such that I could live without them like electric, water, phone and cable. I have plenty of wood and a creek, so I could get by with water & heat. But what about the rich and the mid-class doing w/o the luxuries their use to? I'm use to having nothing. Peace Who will suffer the most?
Okay Stefan...instead of moaning about government, what do YOU propose we do about the corporations and the governments? How do we transition to a free society as you deem it? How? Privatize all government property to the highest bidder? Really?
@PersianPaladin If he had all the answers that would be an argument for a dictatorship. The answer is that everyone can take care of themselves. It all works out if you let it go.
Pretty simple. If a "country" goes anarchist with full fledged property rights, all the businesses and capital will flow to that country (as to evade rising regulations and taxations in their respestive areas) effectively making the rest of the world a stinking carcass. Now, I doubt we have to protect ourselves from rotting dead carcasses.
@StrafingMoose No, I mean that property rights are a legal right. If the systems that provide/protect legal rights are gone, then can we assume property rights are protected enough to invite capital in? I'm not really disagreeing with you. I just think you have to be careful not imagine an anarchist future that relies on aspects of the current paradigm.
Basically I just wish we had one example of a successful, modern, urban anarchist society to examine and learn from.
What provides property rights is first and foremost respect of them by individuals. If individuals do not respect them, no ammount of government will be able to make prop. rights thrive. Capital will flow in when people see that this "nation" has utmost respect for one's property, without them needing to be tapped on the wrist by a big government to have so. There are no examples, just like there was no examples of societies not beating up women before we (mostly) stopped to do so.
@capitalist4life If you devote some time to studying the practical aspects, it might become much easier to see. I don't think there's any way to answer every practical problem that might come up, but the large questions have practical answers already. Have you read Stef's 'Practical Anarchy'?
@eulercircles I need to read it. I'm pretty busy. I guess it's like realizing that the earth is round. It takes a while to really sink in. I was a Republican just 2-3 years ago.
@capitalist4life OK. I Highly recommend it. There are others as well. You can pick it up from his site in audio format, to listen to it on the go, and there is also one called 'The Market for Liberty', (by the Tannehill's) which is also in audio format. Best of luck to you, and take care!
@capitalist4life For contrast, read some David Korten (eg When Corporations Rule The World). What capitalism can and has become. Capitalism has some good theory, but it isn't THE ANSWER.
Do you understand the definition of corporation, and how it differs from companies in general?
Today, bureaucrats can and do protect their favoured interests from liability and competition, sometimes as flagrantly as with the bailout bills or the BP oil spill, and sometimes as subtly as shutting down their competitors with tax laws and regulation, and can shut down international production structures years or decades in the making. That's not really what Stef means by capitalism.
@PanzerDivisionBOM I do understand that, but they spring from the same origin. I'm not saying capitalism is worthless or evil, but rather that it is dangerous to see it as inherently good & wise. If your purpose is to maximise your market share, monopoly is the only logical end goal. Seeking monopoly = seeking power.
In the end I'm not against capitalism. I just think its claims should be taken with a grain of salt.
Corporatism is the combination of statism with nominal private property. The basic idea is "a dollar and some pull with the right official buys me ten of someone else's dollars".
And step me through this: if you do have a monopoly, but you didn't get it through force or fraud, how and to whom is that a problem? If the vast majority of all readers chose the same newspaper, for instance, then how would you want to change that, and why?
@PanzerDivisionBOM I'm thinking more of the situation (happening right now) where, to use your example, a media corporation will buy newspaper company after newspaper company, but keep the original names, etc, so that people feel like they have a choice of news sources, but in fact the one company has control over most of the news sources. The essence of capitalism is supposed to be competition, but actual players in the market will do whatever they can to prevent it.
Again, what is the problem, and what is your solution? Would you like to see some of those newspapers taxed punitively, or shut down outright? A compulsory lottery, to pick people who will be forced to buy issues of less popular, independent newspapers?
@PanzerDivisionBOM *sigh* I'm not describing a problem or proposing a solution. I'm simply saying that, in my opinion, the core concepts of capitalism are not as compatible with those of anarchy as some people have claimed. That's all. Monopoly is only a problem if you want to retain freedom.
However, the very source of new media outlets, to use your example, have arisen, because the Free Market will always find a way to serve a target market in the quest for profit.
The Free Market works...your example is a simple event in a long process.
You're right. Capitalism doesn't make friends or enemies; it simply recognizes efficiencies of economic life. It's the behavior of people which is somewhat unpredictable as individuals, but predictable within groups.
Capitalism takes the best of this behavior and improves the lives of the group. Not all individuals may benefit, but mankind does. It's the "management" of this system which exacerbates the normal dislocations that occur as a result of normal economic evolution.
@TheCapitalistdog That's a very idealistic definition of capitalism that seems very unrelated to modern day capitalism in a world economy dominated by monopoly-hungry multinational corporations.
@rivenrock That's cute. Do you often contradict statements made about Tables by simply saying you use the word to mean chairs? If you don't agree with someones definition, then don't use the terminology, but you can't contradict a concept with flawed terminology, Philosophical concepts always come before Linguistic terminology.
@cchessmaster You are correct. Very estute. Show the power-elite the effectiveness of the exercise of the executive. The deal was sealed in 1933 when we were declared bankrupt and the perpetual state of national emergency began. The constitution died then and every four years thereafter with each executive that renews the national state of emergency.
People were better off as slaves, at least then it was obvious and masters treated their slaves as investments and would never have allowed them to be fed MSG, high fructose corn syrup etc, and slaves would be too valuable to ship off to war without thought. Now so much resource is devoted to maintaining the illusion of control and freedom and the goyim are sort of like the tragedy of the commons as nobody takes ownership of them just use and exploit to the point of exhaustion.
BEAUTIFULLY SAID
etembi 6 months ago
Not coming to terms with the fact that the Republic is dead reminds me of that movie Weekend at Bernie's, where they pretend that Bernie is still alive, to keep a facade of normalcy. It was a comedy because of the ridiculousness of their situation. I wonder if ours is any less ridiculous...
IzaakTaltos 6 months ago
Stefan, I think you should re-title this one and send it back out to your more recent subscribers. Great stuff.
aussiedon8 8 months ago
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eyejudgeeverything 1 year ago
"the system won't continue for even another 10 years?" what changed your mind, what happened to every major victory takes 200 years and that anarchy wouldn't be seen in yours or mine generation??
DaveEZ2009 1 year ago
@DaveEZ2009 the current system could, and probably will easily be, replaced by another corrupt statist society.
Digali 1 year ago
I just don't understand how this a conspiracy theory. How do the dumbasses below me see any similarity between interpreting taxes as strong arm robbery, and thinking the Feds are hiding alien WMDs in Area 51? The big difference is that Stefan is following a philosophy, conspiracy theorists follow... That's right, theories.
unleashedanarchy 1 year ago
3:12 I was about to say it "The revolution of mind" people wake up, it's so important, I don't want everybody to be conspiracy theorist or things like that. I wish everybody to find real values of life, work, and everything around
L4ch74n 1 year ago
wtf dude, u lose all credibility when u talk about women as victims & being taken as prize, but don't say shit about about dead men at their feet or the men who did the heavy lifting to give them the vote. i don't know answer but everyone including u, realize the statism victomology welfare state is result of women getting the vote. goddam, I almost think ur smart guy but u r stuck on indocrination of women as damsel in distress when it has always been, as is today, men barried in coal mines.
ORVX 1 year ago
Just a string of metaphors but no substance.
lizardgizard2002 1 year ago
FDR drinking game: Whenever Stefan uses a metaphor, take a drink!
EarlCat 1 year ago
I love the use of adjectives stef, usually my favorite part of your videos. :)
TheLibertas2 1 year ago
Still Dem run in Massachusetts though.
Gettinghitonattheban 1 year ago
Quit being so damn dramatic. It's not nearly as bad as you're making it out to be. South America used to be in pretty bad shape because of colonialism and then the impossible debts imposed on them by the international banks. Now, they're emerging into economic powerhouses which will threaten the US's place in the world. Their secret isn't some libertarian ideology, simply being practical about the problems their countries faced and finding real world solutions to solve them.
SpazzzDog 1 year ago
The American State is not as 'Dead and Burried' as Mr. Molyneaux suggests. While I do not disagree that nothing can be done to stop it. There is much worse to come. The wrenching and pitching of the ship of state and the utter panic of her passengers has yet to fully set in. What we see now are only the moans of the hull as she strains under the unbearable weight. In a ship this big, the worst is yet to come.
Soundmind78 1 year ago
"kicking leg, long after the brain has died..." wow.. thats a potent truth and quote, hope you don't mind i use it good sir! :)
PkSage89 1 year ago
The system didn't keep up with modern technology. Science, and economics outpaced judiciary, The failure of the courts was when they criminalized the system of Laissez Faire', instead of weeding the criminals out of it. What they did was an anti-biotic approach, you kill the good red blood cells, with the bad white blood cells to save the patient, but the disease only mutated and the prescription is to keep killing it all. The judiciary has to evolve like science and man does.
dons123111 1 year ago
Great video, and some fantastic artistry. I don't share many of the views or accept the arguments, but it certainly is enjoyable to stop in every now and then to see what Stefan has uploaded recently. I suppose that people like me would be the types to stay in and help fix the problems in the finest nation man has ever made, rather than flee as things get tough. Yes, there are people edging towards the door, but don't worry, I'll remind them to grab their hats on their way out.
TheAmericanApologist 1 year ago
Slavery is at an all time high in the world. It was just laundered to make it more palatable. Don't you get it? Money is the tool to keep the slaves in line. Earth is a left brain controlled, slave planet. The illusion of freedom, is necessary to keep the slaves productive. Religion is a powerful tool for controlling the slaves and getting them to believe that there is better ahead. Without a lot of outside help, no one will be letting go, of what they believe to be reality.
rollsthepaul 1 year ago
The gov is dying? About time! We sure need a revolution.
although gov isn't the last ancient tyranny that needs to die. We still got religion, or at least the forceful ones. Too bad so many aren't willing to give up that safety blanket.
nomoreyou1212 1 year ago
Have we dealt with slavery? To me it seems like the plantation just got bigger, that's all.
uttles 1 year ago 3
@suckah4fridayz
You're welcome.
Knowing is half the battle.
takotheoktopus 1 year ago
Instead of gloom and doom and whining and complaining this guy should get out there and use his tiny brain to change his own life. For those who can, do. For those who can't, they make doom and gloom youtube videos.
lizardgizard2002 1 year ago
@lizardgizard2002 The "doom and gloom" you speak of is subjective. To me, and to the video maker, undoubtly, the collapse of statism as we know it is a wonderful thing.
There's no whining or negativity in these videos, it's just reality and disucssion for better things. You see doom and gloom because you're deluded into thinking that statism as we know it is a good thing. It's reaching its end, and you should prepare yourself for that reality.
GtheMVP 1 year ago
@GtheMVP You and the video maker are not unlike Alex Jones. You have found your conspiracy theory niche. The only thing is you think reality will conform to your fantasy. It is not going to happen. Be careful of the gurus that you follow for you surely will be disappointed.
lizardgizard2002 1 year ago
@lizardgizard2002
I don't follow anyone, certainly not the politicans that bribe us with our own money while pointing a gun to our heads if we don't comply with said bribes..
Do you like paying for illegal wars, banking casinos, tyranny?
btw, what the hell does this have to do with Alex Jones? He's a religious statist.
Why are you on this board anyways? Is someone paying you to troll teh internets?
GtheMVP 1 year ago
@GtheMVP As I expected, you are a conspiracy theorist. The government is holding a gun to our heads are they? I guess I should call you a "paranoid" conspiracy theorist. Your paranoia comes through again when you say I am a paid troll just because my ideas differ from yours. Then on top of that you do not want me on this board. That sounds like control to me and that is what you try to discourage in the fantacy "after government is destroyed" world. You already belong to a cult, poor fellow.
lizardgizard2002 1 year ago
@lizardgizard2 If you're not a paid troll, then you're failing yourself if you can't see the gun the government needs to enforce its ridiculous ways. Don't want to pay criminal retroactive taxation? Good luck resisting arrest.
I've seen your type many times b4, you're out of your league
You're right on one thing, however, I could do without you on this board, but I'm not going to force anyone into anything because of words online. Besides, interwebs would be boring without tools like you
GtheMVP 1 year ago
@GtheMVP I guess that you do not find it strange that right wing conspiracy theorists like your self resort to name calling when your intelligence is questioned. Typical also that you repeat what you said in your previous comment. Do you know why? It is because your type is not capable of original thought. You just parrot what your gurus have implanted in your tiny brain. Thus your use of "troll", "criminal retroactive taxation". You are being played by your gurus. Wake up!
lizardgizard2002 1 year ago
@lizardgizard2002 haha, this coming from the guy calling people right wing conspiracy nuts and pea brains in opening statements. You couldn't insult my psoriasis disfigured thumbnail.
You're a joke, try sticking to the Alex Jones tinfoil types, they might buy your schtick.
I don`t know who you put on pedestals to have such trains of thought either, but I don`t have guru`s.
GtheMVP 1 year ago
@GtheMVP LOL, guess who said this in August? "How can anyone not have a soft spot for Alex Jones? Sure he draws conclusions I never would with the facts he gets, but his peaceful anti-establishment and anti dumbing down of society messages makes him aces in my book". So much for not being an Alex Jones cult member. Try again. So funny. I'd say that you have been snookered.
Lol
lizardgizard2002 1 year ago
@lizardgizard2002 lol, so now "A soft spot" for someone is criteria for cult status? I guess english could be your second language...
So now you're stalking me, that's kinda kinky. You just ventured from disnfo status into loserdom lol
GtheMVP 1 year ago
@GtheMVP I can tell from your comment that you are sooooooo embarrassed. It is OK if you "love" Alex. Hey, he has a lot of kooky followers. You are not alone. Lets repeat your adoring comment.
How can anyone not have a soft spot for Alex Jones? Sure he draws conclusions I never would with the facts he gets, but his peaceful anti-establishment and anti dumbing down of society messages makes him aces in my book!
You do not have to resort to namecalling just because you are embarrassed.
lizardgizard2002 1 year ago
@lizardgizard2002 you guys really need a new manual
GtheMVP 1 year ago
Just google lizardgizzard2002 and see his spouting "cultist, conspiracy nut, right winger" at every turn, on seemingly anything anti government/globalist
A lot of people don't like to be labeled the things he spouts, so they keep their mouths shut for fear of being ostracized from their communities, and parasites like this this disinfo douche try to use that to silence dissent, it's classic shill spotting.
You're busted buddy, your own search apparatus tool is coming back to haunt you
GtheMVP 1 year ago
@GtheMVP LOL. what nuts will do after a good woopin. Stop jumping up and down and having a tantrum. It is just the net. This isn't real life. Anyway it has been good beating you and embarrassing you. Now I hater myself for being such a bully. Not. Have a great day. End of debate.
lizardgizard2002 1 year ago
@lizardgizard2002 lol You couldn't bully your own shadow.
There's no debating somone who condones violence outside of self defence either, but thanks for the entertainment :).
GtheMVP 1 year ago
@lizardgizard2002
lol. Do you always make a point of declaring yourself the winner?
TheCapitalistdog 1 year ago
@TheCapitalistdog it's a trap!! don't go there lol
GtheMVP 1 year ago
@TheCapitalistdog Lol, you bet. It works too. I usually debate Austrian economic cult members. They can't stand it that I feel that people like Peter Schiff are wrong about history, economics and political reality.
lizardgizard2002 1 year ago
I LOVE YOUR MODE OF SPEECH STEFBOT VERY NICE
amcanmike 1 year ago
The lighting looks perfect this time, Stef!
JermJus 1 year ago
"After the life boats have all left the Titanic, it's understandable to think that you would look at a banana peel and think that you can fashion a schooner.." great line
LJPpro 1 year ago
Stef, you may be right regarding "government" as an out of date concept. However, I submit, that the United States was the 1st government that tried to have a minimal government.
We haven't followed the Constitution in close to 100 years. If we were to shrink gov't to the size that it's supposed to be, we could begin to address the costs of gov't.
I'm not sure if you want to pay the price of watching The Nation-State die.
captaindiesalot 1 year ago
@captaindiesalot
The thing is, the state that you had 100 years ago grew into the one you have today. There's a continuity there, driven by the inevitable workings of political economy, like a clock slowly ticking down towards detonation.
PanzerDivisionBOM 1 year ago
@PanzerDivisionBOM
You're right, and the Founders saw this as well, which is why they created the Checks and Balances system. Fortunately, there may be enough of us to turn the clock back, if not, there's enough of us to reform within the Continental US and demand independence, and fight for it, if necessary.
Not for one minute will I ever believe Stef's World will be realized without a lot of death and destruction.
captaindiesalot 1 year ago
@captaindiesalot Yes, but this scaling down has proven historically impossible. If public opinion can be altered to that degree, I would be surprised, or it would probably be too late.
About your nation-state comment... I really hope you're not referring to a the US as a nation state...
TheLemmingHead 1 year ago
@TheLemmingHead
I'm speaking about the progression of the polity. Humankind went through 1500 years of Devine Right, and the end of this system, as with those that preceded it was violent. The problem is exacerbated, because of the increase in lethality of military weapons.
I don't want to think about the type of violence we'll have to live through to obtain Stef's version of utopia.
The US, being a Republic, is the gov't structure that best serves the people, as the intermediate step.
captaindiesalot 1 year ago
Mahalo from occupied Hawai'i for your assessment of the US State. We here in Hawai'i have received over the years since the belligerent overthrow a triple dose of indoctrination from the ever-present US Military, descecrating graves, cultural sites, and bringing War to Hawaiian shores with their presence, the Fake-State of Hawai'i legitimising it's sell-out to big business hotels and development; bulldozing willy nilly, and the dumbing down of the populous with US TV entertainment and news.
shtonker8 1 year ago
@shtonker8
yeah, but before you Polynesians arrived, Hawaii was an untouched paradise. I'm afraid that you'll also have to leave.
It was either us or the British. Someone had to free your people from the terrible tyranny of your monarchy. Mahalo.
captaindiesalot 1 year ago
Brilliant, you are a fantastic story teller and an incredibly insightful thinker. Thanks
Englandareshit 1 year ago
Top notch.
skunkwerksrc 1 year ago
An eloquent way to say..... You Americans are Fucked! Abandon ship!
sonyerectson 1 year ago
"The state is the next one"
I hope you're right. IF you are, people will look back at the dark ages of statism with horror, like we look back at the middle ages..
MigDanskeren 1 year ago 16
Thumbs up for double masturbation.
HigherPlanes 1 year ago
@HigherPlanes Thumbs up where? Please advise:)
BrainInSkull 1 year ago
@BrainInSkull watch the video again.
HigherPlanes 1 year ago
please do a video like this when the next british elections come round, cheers
krychamin 1 year ago
thank you for your time.
Debatewithme 1 year ago
Thank you for continuing to spread the word...not one person I've come into contact with wants to hear it...that statism is dead...that violence has never been a productive way to solve social problems,. They just continue to keep going to the polls and hope that their vote means something. I just can't seem to get through to anyone.
MrJuangalt 1 year ago
transitional times we are living in......we're either gonna make it or break it as a whole. I root and remain optimistic that we won't usher in the end of our species. A good portion of us are smart enough to make it.
samsonality 1 year ago
The only Senator to vote no on the patriot act was defeated
this is how dumb the electorate are in USA
dave777blaster 1 year ago
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Stef, your blind spots are few and far between, but are glaringly obvious. Here you mentioned that America's fiat currency is controlled by Government. It is not. The Federal Reserve is a private company disguised as being in the national interest. If you like history, you'll enjoy watching the film: The Money Masters. Much love dude keep up the good work.
ThereAreNoSides 1 year ago
@ThereAreNoSides
As a thought experiment, try figuring out what would become of the Fed if it were left without state power. You'll see why nominal private ownership is not a sufficient criterion for calling it a private institution.
PanzerDivisionBOM 1 year ago 13
@PanzerDivisionBOM Totally agree, what I'm encouraging Stef to research further is the detail behind WHICH commercial entities comprise the Fed and what the most powerful individuals who head it up, have in common.
ThereAreNoSides 1 year ago
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ThereAreNoSides 1 year ago
@ThereAreNoSides That's not completely accurate, either. The FRB is a collusion between government and bankers. Yes, the banks "own" the FRB, but there are limits on what they can do with their shares. The FRB was granted a special "charter" by the government. The government appoints its Board members. If you really want to know the roots of the problems, look at the National Bank Act of 1863, 1865. Before that, there were no "Panics".
mikemat3307 1 year ago
I'd suggest everyone check out the 19 part series here on youtube ... intellectual and brilliant even more so than Stef --- it's by Warren Ferrell and is called, "The Myth of Male Power"
Type it in now and give it a listen. Other than Stef's "The Story of Your Slavery" video it's the BEST thing I have ever seen on youtube. check it out now! I promise, you will not be sorry...
rtardbox 1 year ago
Rivenrock, these kind of challenges you present are so tiring. I really don't understand how you think that your are objections are something that have never been presented before--as if you are the first one to present them--and now you expect every kind of conceivable objection could be answered in ONE vide. The man has hundreds of videos and podcasts where any objection you could dish up has been dealt with. It just isn't contained in one fucking video.
Victorprossart1 1 year ago
@Victorprossart1 It's not a challenge, it's a f#$%ing enquiry. And maybe I do need to go search through the 100 million hours of podcast he's apparently got somewhere, but it's a serious time commitment give how prolific (and repetitive) he is. However, here on YT, I have watched Stefan for months now talk about the collapse of the state, child abuse as the cause of all negative behaviours, statists as cattle, etc, but NOT ONCE about the transition from broken state to viable anarchist society.
rivenrock 1 year ago
@rivenrock That's because you're impatient. The US was built anew from the examples of failure of the past 1700+ years. The fact that it came to power so quickly is incredible. This "death" that he's referring to is going to take decades, and possibly centuries. He is a philosopher. His objective here is not to push us towards change, but to inform others of the impending change. Hopefully someone will heed his advice and use it to guide us towards a better future.
sedatedlife18 1 year ago
@sedatedlife18 "His objective here is not to push us towards change."
Of course it is. (@stefbot Am I wrong?) What's the point of philosophy if you analyse and never act?
Also, I don't think Stefan is hoping someone will listen and guide us towards a better future. I think he's hoping we will listen and guide ourselves towards a better future.
rivenrock 1 year ago
@rivenrock I agree on both points. I didn't mean someone in a "take charge, form a new government" kind of way. I meant in being the voice of reason in a sea of snakes and swindlers. Also I never meant to insinuate that he never wants us to act on the ideas he puts forth, but I did mean to say that he doesn't want us to rush into things acting irrationally. The small details of this kind of conversation usually cannot fit within the character limit. :)
sedatedlife18 1 year ago
@sedatedlife18 True (about the character limit). I see what you mean now, thanks.
rivenrock 1 year ago
1. The same kind is leading every institution, every company, every branche, etc..
2. Spiritless beings lead by a digital system are taking over humanity.
So tasks:
1 Get rid of all leaders everywhere.
2. Block and destroy all digital systems.
SaharaForce 1 year ago
There cannot be a world "without" a governmnet.
Simply because you choose to depict it as "evil" doesn´t make it so. There is dire need for social regulation as this ludicrous "I´m not a witch" person got 40%!!! WTF??? Are those ppl crazy?
Recently i met s.o. proposing the "meta gov." of the future being formed right now, here in the virtual meeting room of the world where we the people deceide our ways! So in a sense the "old gov.type" needs to be abolished..
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
The government that changes is not the top of the pyramid. It is the banks who are the real state and they are doing exactly what they have planned. When people do not let go of the sinking illusory state, the new nightmare state can wipe them off the face of the earth. They will not need force to achieve this, they simply let us (push us into) fight/ kill each other. In the last 100 years social control has reached new and efficient heights. Awakened (minority) pockets of humanity offer hope.
aghoranathi 1 year ago
you get more boring about "systems" with each video
qtzlctl2012 1 year ago
Thanks Stef. You give me hope.
silverfoils 1 year ago
I understand your take on the state. I like your vision of a future without it. I even see how it might work. But what I don't get, and wish you would talk about sometime, is the transition. States have fallen before and it's always a pathway to new government. Even if the current government fell, even if the economy collapsed, etc, the majority of citizens would still be statist and convinced it was simply the wrong government, not that government itself was the problem.
rivenrock 1 year ago
@rivenrock You sort of answer your own question by being here.. and understanding the truth of the state. This right here is the transition, a very long, multi-generational education. Stef has mentioned this hundreds of times, and it's very unfair of you to misrepresent him by stating incorrectly that he hasn't given every detail about transition that he physically can, and it's very simple, learn, educate and don't abuse your children.
DreadLaw2 1 year ago
@DreadLaw2 Hopefully Stefan will understand, as you have not, what I am asking here & the advice to 'learn, educate and don't abuse your children' has nothing to do with it. That refers to the personal transition of anarchists, whereas I am asking about societal transition from the statist system to anarchy in a society populated predominantly with people who are still committed to a statist paradigm. I just don't see how you get from A to B without some new government being formed.
rivenrock 1 year ago
@rivenrock Yeah, I understand, I used to be a bit ike that. Believing society to be some magical force above and beyond human beings which could be changed. Fortunately I met reality, in which human beings are the be all and end all of society. Human beings are the ones that have to live freedom, to show each other it is possible and to not abuse their children. Alot of long term personal transition for alot of people, is the answer, even if you don't like it.
DreadLaw2 1 year ago
@DreadLaw2 Actually I love that answer. (Not so much the patronising intro, but whatever.) But when Stefan talks collapse, he always seems to talk about things that would cause the collapse of a state, or even many states, but not the collapse of the statist paradigm.
rivenrock 1 year ago
@rivenrock To sum up my point, and one Stefan has (if I have understood him correctly) made on numerous occasions, is that there is no such thing as an anarchy populated predominantly with people who are still commited to a statist paradigm. What exactly is it that has changed in such a world? Nothing, you cannot change Concepts without making actual physical changes. People need to change, by living freedom, not looking for overnight world solving solutions, and loving their children.
DreadLaw2 1 year ago
@DreadLaw2 That's kind of my point - it wouldn't yet BE an anarchy. If the state only ever grows in power (and opting out of voting doesn't reduce the state's power) then collapse cannot come gradually. It would have to occur as a result of some catastrophic event (economy crashing due to unsustainable govt debt perhaps). AT THAT TIME the population will still be predominantly statist in their thinking and their response will be to form a new government.
rivenrock 1 year ago
@rivenrock Oh, and of course... live your Virtues! Stefs said this many times as well (again, how anyone can say he hasn't talked about transistion is crazy!), but the best way to show people that freedom is the way to go is to be free and be happy. Don't invoke the Government anymore than it enforces, don't waste a minute of your time voluntarily giving up your life to evil, live freedom, and associate only with people and activities that make you immediately happy. Live Freedom.
DreadLaw2 1 year ago
@rivenrock Thats really the big question. I personally think it will require geographical concentrations of liberty lovers. The kinds of societies that will emerge will likely be diverse and hard to anticipate. I suppose it is like how the people who founded the United State (missing s intentional) were theorizing about how a republican constitutional system might work and then implemented their ideas in practice. They didn't know how it would really work till it was tried.
Helionaeic 1 year ago
I like the idea of not worrying, 'well, what now?"... I do not want government at all!
We do not need government if we are in smaller communities...and those are the best..not these crowded cities.....
marypoppins2009 1 year ago
And go it will... Powerful video Stefan.
fumanchu1k 1 year ago
Stef's getting better and better
KeepGoing11235 1 year ago 14
@KeepGoing11235
He is if your as unrealistic as he is.
captaindiesalot 1 year ago
It's kind of hard to think of the State as another sentient being that we must contend with. But the State has no identity other than the 100 million or so that comprise it that Stefan speaks about. But, in actuality the State is an entity, and it has been enslaving humanity for thousands of years. It needs to go! Thanks Stefan!
vutEwa 1 year ago
@vutEwa The state is not an entity; it's a device. It is people who provide its mindset and perpeptuate its actions.
rivenrock 1 year ago
@rivenrock. "The state is not an entity..." bla, bla, bla. No shit.
Victorprossart1 1 year ago
you mean next 1 of 2 things stef, religion needs to go too.
morlandoemtp 1 year ago
@morlandoemtp I want to be free to worship as i see fit for myself. I do not want to live in a world where we can not choose our own metaphysical philosophical beliefs about reality. It is the state, through manipulation, that uses misinformation about religious dichotomy to cause conflict.
aghoranathi 1 year ago
i, personally believe, the america our founding fathers created died in the 1800's when the immigrants came and people like Rockefeller started controlling big business. thats when the america we believe to still exist died
Leonar12345 1 year ago
@Leonar12345 I partially agree with you. That is a conversation with a really good friend that I had about a month ago. I think that was the beginning of the end.
shaudee67 1 year ago
@Leonar12345 Totally!
aghoranathi 1 year ago
Very well said, good brother!
themusicmakernyc 1 year ago
Um, The Problems started with the privately owned "federal reserve". The USG is wholly owned by private banks and corporations.
BigD822 1 year ago
Stef - 85% of human beings can not even abandon the fantasy of God, they are willing to die for a fictitious master...how do we expect literally billions to abandon Government? They will die first
As for slavery being ended...hmmm...I think maybe only on paper. I see more slaves today than I think there has ever been in the world.
Empires rise and fall, what is to say another wont just take the place of this one? Isn't it a bit naive to think otherwise? Have we come far enough yet?
Nexus2Eden 1 year ago
@Nexus2Eden The difference now is that people buy into and condone their own enslavement. It's called debt culture. Debt provides the illusion of choice and abundance, and a reality of enslavement and poverty.
rivenrock 1 year ago
@rivenrock I honestly think the only thing that has changed in 2000 years is technology. The day to day life we experience today is truly no different than if we were living 2000 years ago - except for the level of technology.
Everything else - remains the exact same. Unfortunately - empirical evidence would support that there is no reason to think it ever will.
Nexus2Eden 1 year ago
The death throe. This can go on for a very long time. It is sad to see, but even more sad to be in it. The government is imploding and will be a much smaller and less intrusive entity in the end, but beware the wounded animal lest ye be first to go out.
62636263c 1 year ago
@62636263c PS it will never go without a brutal fight.
62636263c 1 year ago
Good one.
DionysusAlS 1 year ago
capitalism need government to regulate it, no such worries in venus project.
meadowsirl 1 year ago
Props to Stefmeister
MrDorkusMaximus 1 year ago
Love it !
RenegadeTimes 1 year ago
It makes me feel better visualizing the collapse of statism
chriswroads 1 year ago
American Politics: Democrats fuck you over? Vote Republican. Then the Republicans fuck you over. Vote Democrat. Rinse. Repeat.
TheStig000 1 year ago 28
@TheStig000 By far the best line of the week, this is what should have run as the front page headline of every news paper still in print, but alas the news "folk" are told what news is and then smile pretty and stretch their make-up (that stops right under the chin so you have two different colors of "person"...) all over their confused, contorted mugs...ahhhh, I need a mentos or whatever the next advertisement tells me i need.
shelnutt 1 year ago
@shelnutt I have a feeling that the "news" is just propaganda. I mean, who watches the news to hear the facts of the situation? I think most people watch the news to reinforce their beliefs. It's very hard to question your beliefs. There isn't a big audience for it. They follow the money.
TheStig000 1 year ago
@TheStig000 it's exactly the same as the UK. This is the model they want all over the world, because it sucks so many people into such a fruitless cycle that will never attend to the needs of anyone other than those government, banks, and all forms of concentrated power desire. I suppose this is largely thanks to our media system that enforces its legitimacy on a daily basis. I do love the frequency of these vids Stef, thanks
MarioSavioTZM 1 year ago
@MarioSavioTZM You have it exactly right. It's a huge distraction. They want to discuss the fine details and not the core principles. Elephant in the room, or as Stef says, the gun in the room. The best tactic we have is to reveal the gun in the room. You can't ignore it once you've seen it.
TheStig000 1 year ago
@TheStig000 Don't dare mention the third largest party to the American people though,cause as any democrat or republican knows those Libertarians are crazy.
dirtbagstatus 1 year ago
@dirtbagstatus Anyone running for office wants power. They think they know what's best for us. They think they know how to run the country. It's arrogant and false.
TheStig000 1 year ago
@TheStig000 America has battered wife syndrome.
xxstealyourface 1 year ago
@xxstealyourface Someone give me the divorce papers.
TheStig000 1 year ago
@TheStig000 Someone give me the shovel so that I can barried this beast once and for all.
xxstealyourface 1 year ago
@TheStig000 True, but the Republican seems to be wising up just a bit... they owe it all to Obama. They should hold a parade for Obama for causing them to look deeper into politics. The only question is are they too late?
RamsesReturns 1 year ago
@RamsesReturns The Republicans are not wising up. They are just as blind. They think that if only THEY could tell everyone what to do, everything would be fine! I'm here to tell you that nobody has the moral right to do what the government does. I don't care who is in control of it. The initiation of force is the problem, not who is initiating it! Don't blame the gun for murder, blame the shooter.
TheStig000 1 year ago
I agree with you wholely this time Stefan.
Here's the motto of modern governments, around the world, starting first in the USA.
"Everyone gets screwed and nobody gets served"
vutEwa 1 year ago
The American system dies when the J team took over.
MrHappy702 1 year ago
@MrHappy702 It goes much further back. The end of the uncivilized war, no reparation was made and in place of reparation we got a new kind of slavery where we are all on a Federal plantation.
vutEwa 1 year ago
i think we still gota work on patriarchy, ageism and our 'medications'
sexdrugsRnR 1 year ago
Great F**King speech! I feel your love brotha! This is the positive Energy we need to become a free society and live out our existence! Keep the great Energy going brotha, I feel inspired.
timsharper 1 year ago
So who is really gonna be hurt when the collapse happens? I mean I'm poor and been living day by day for at least the last 7 years. The house I live in is paid for, I dont own a car, or have credit cards. My bills r such that I could live without them like electric, water, phone and cable. I have plenty of wood and a creek, so I could get by with water & heat. But what about the rich and the mid-class doing w/o the luxuries their use to? I'm use to having nothing. Peace Who will suffer the most?
JimmyCarol100 1 year ago 2
Okay Stefan...instead of moaning about government, what do YOU propose we do about the corporations and the governments? How do we transition to a free society as you deem it? How? Privatize all government property to the highest bidder? Really?
PersianPaladin 1 year ago
@PersianPaladin If he had all the answers that would be an argument for a dictatorship. The answer is that everyone can take care of themselves. It all works out if you let it go.
TheStig000 1 year ago
@suckah4fridayz
Do a search for "An Anarchist FAQ" for an extensive collection of answers to questions regarding Anarchism.
takotheoktopus 1 year ago
@suckah4fridayz
Pretty simple. If a "country" goes anarchist with full fledged property rights, all the businesses and capital will flow to that country (as to evade rising regulations and taxations in their respestive areas) effectively making the rest of the world a stinking carcass. Now, I doubt we have to protect ourselves from rotting dead carcasses.
StrafingMoose 1 year ago
@StrafingMoose That's actually a really interesting idea, but fully-fledged property rights enforced by who?
rivenrock 1 year ago
@rivenrock
I don't understand. You mean how do we enforce the non-enforcement of compulsive laws upon people ? I guess you just don't do it.
StrafingMoose 1 year ago
@StrafingMoose No, I mean that property rights are a legal right. If the systems that provide/protect legal rights are gone, then can we assume property rights are protected enough to invite capital in? I'm not really disagreeing with you. I just think you have to be careful not imagine an anarchist future that relies on aspects of the current paradigm.
Basically I just wish we had one example of a successful, modern, urban anarchist society to examine and learn from.
rivenrock 1 year ago
@rivenrock
What provides property rights is first and foremost respect of them by individuals. If individuals do not respect them, no ammount of government will be able to make prop. rights thrive. Capital will flow in when people see that this "nation" has utmost respect for one's property, without them needing to be tapped on the wrist by a big government to have so. There are no examples, just like there was no examples of societies not beating up women before we (mostly) stopped to do so.
StrafingMoose 1 year ago
@suckah4fridayz good luck. I'm still trying to wrap my head around anarchism.
capitalist4life 1 year ago
@capitalist4life Which parts are you having trouble with?
eulercircles 1 year ago
@eulercircles I agree that government is inherently immoral because it requires theft, force, etc...
I guess it's just a big leap for me to take mentally.
capitalist4life 1 year ago
@capitalist4life If you devote some time to studying the practical aspects, it might become much easier to see. I don't think there's any way to answer every practical problem that might come up, but the large questions have practical answers already. Have you read Stef's 'Practical Anarchy'?
eulercircles 1 year ago
@eulercircles I need to read it. I'm pretty busy. I guess it's like realizing that the earth is round. It takes a while to really sink in. I was a Republican just 2-3 years ago.
capitalist4life 1 year ago
@capitalist4life OK. I Highly recommend it. There are others as well. You can pick it up from his site in audio format, to listen to it on the go, and there is also one called 'The Market for Liberty', (by the Tannehill's) which is also in audio format. Best of luck to you, and take care!
eulercircles 1 year ago
@capitalist4life You have to overcome a lot of lies you were told as a child.
TheStig000 1 year ago
@TheStig000 I'm in high school. I'm still being told lies (or at least untruths) everyday.
capitalist4life 1 year ago
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@capitalist4life
"I'm still trying to wrap my head around anarchism."
From one capitalist to another, be sure to give the insights of Economist Murray Rothbard some serious thought.
"capitalism is the fullest expression of anarchism, and anarchism is the fullest expression of capitalism." - Rothbard
TheCapitalistdog 1 year ago 3
@TheCapitalistdog Dude, I'm on your side. I have a poster of Rothbard on my wall and I'm wearing a Rothbard T-Shirt.
capitalist4life 1 year ago
@capitalist4life For contrast, read some David Korten (eg When Corporations Rule The World). What capitalism can and has become. Capitalism has some good theory, but it isn't THE ANSWER.
rivenrock 1 year ago
@rivenrock
Do you understand the definition of corporation, and how it differs from companies in general?
Today, bureaucrats can and do protect their favoured interests from liability and competition, sometimes as flagrantly as with the bailout bills or the BP oil spill, and sometimes as subtly as shutting down their competitors with tax laws and regulation, and can shut down international production structures years or decades in the making. That's not really what Stef means by capitalism.
PanzerDivisionBOM 1 year ago
@PanzerDivisionBOM I do understand that, but they spring from the same origin. I'm not saying capitalism is worthless or evil, but rather that it is dangerous to see it as inherently good & wise. If your purpose is to maximise your market share, monopoly is the only logical end goal. Seeking monopoly = seeking power.
In the end I'm not against capitalism. I just think its claims should be taken with a grain of salt.
rivenrock 1 year ago
@rivenrock
And I think you're blanking out.
Corporatism is the combination of statism with nominal private property. The basic idea is "a dollar and some pull with the right official buys me ten of someone else's dollars".
And step me through this: if you do have a monopoly, but you didn't get it through force or fraud, how and to whom is that a problem? If the vast majority of all readers chose the same newspaper, for instance, then how would you want to change that, and why?
PanzerDivisionBOM 1 year ago
@PanzerDivisionBOM I'm thinking more of the situation (happening right now) where, to use your example, a media corporation will buy newspaper company after newspaper company, but keep the original names, etc, so that people feel like they have a choice of news sources, but in fact the one company has control over most of the news sources. The essence of capitalism is supposed to be competition, but actual players in the market will do whatever they can to prevent it.
rivenrock 1 year ago
@rivenrock
Again, what is the problem, and what is your solution? Would you like to see some of those newspapers taxed punitively, or shut down outright? A compulsory lottery, to pick people who will be forced to buy issues of less popular, independent newspapers?
PanzerDivisionBOM 1 year ago
@PanzerDivisionBOM *sigh* I'm not describing a problem or proposing a solution. I'm simply saying that, in my opinion, the core concepts of capitalism are not as compatible with those of anarchy as some people have claimed. That's all. Monopoly is only a problem if you want to retain freedom.
rivenrock 1 year ago
@rivenrock
However, the very source of new media outlets, to use your example, have arisen, because the Free Market will always find a way to serve a target market in the quest for profit.
The Free Market works...your example is a simple event in a long process.
captaindiesalot 1 year ago
@rivenrock
As I see it, capitalism is neither good nor evil, but rather morally neutral and the result of freedom. It is all the other systems that are evil.
MigDanskeren 1 year ago
@MigDanskeren
You're right. Capitalism doesn't make friends or enemies; it simply recognizes efficiencies of economic life. It's the behavior of people which is somewhat unpredictable as individuals, but predictable within groups.
Capitalism takes the best of this behavior and improves the lives of the group. Not all individuals may benefit, but mankind does. It's the "management" of this system which exacerbates the normal dislocations that occur as a result of normal economic evolution.
captaindiesalot 1 year ago
@captaindiesalot
I wish there were something to add, but All I can say is that I agree 100% :)
MigDanskeren 1 year ago
@TheCapitalistdog That's a very idealistic definition of capitalism that seems very unrelated to modern day capitalism in a world economy dominated by monopoly-hungry multinational corporations.
rivenrock 1 year ago
@rivenrock That's cute. Do you often contradict statements made about Tables by simply saying you use the word to mean chairs? If you don't agree with someones definition, then don't use the terminology, but you can't contradict a concept with flawed terminology, Philosophical concepts always come before Linguistic terminology.
DreadLaw2 1 year ago
The republic died when Lincoln invaded the south. We have been under martial law since then.
cchessmaster 1 year ago
@cchessmaster You are correct. Very estute. Show the power-elite the effectiveness of the exercise of the executive. The deal was sealed in 1933 when we were declared bankrupt and the perpetual state of national emergency began. The constitution died then and every four years thereafter with each executive that renews the national state of emergency.
MisterAvis 1 year ago
People were better off as slaves, at least then it was obvious and masters treated their slaves as investments and would never have allowed them to be fed MSG, high fructose corn syrup etc, and slaves would be too valuable to ship off to war without thought. Now so much resource is devoted to maintaining the illusion of control and freedom and the goyim are sort of like the tragedy of the commons as nobody takes ownership of them just use and exploit to the point of exhaustion.
Gromitdog1 1 year ago