This is why you need to start off slow, put a towel over the board, brick or rock you're conditioning against, warm up the part to be conditioned before and afterwards and gradually build up over time. Gung-fu men can break several bricks with no bullshit spaces between them yet the hands feel soft and have no calluses or such on the outside, but can be as hard as rock when needed. My first teacher could break concrete slabs with his fist but his knuckles looked normal.
@fjunk72 according to the instruction manual titled "Martial Art Basics Karate" (sold at Barns and Noble) by 5th dan JKA Kevin Healy (page 10) it is "Oss". A fifth dan wouldn't make such a mistake. In the future may I suggest a bit more respect for fellow Karate-ka.
Every time someone posts a video, there in for a sea of critizms how they wern't perfect??? Comone guys let the guy express himself. (Also, great to see the swelling on the correct part of your hand :)) Oss
The scab on your knuckle is a good indication that there is something wrong with how you are punching, regardless of skin toughening. If I were you I'd rest, and practise on some focus pads to perfect your punch, before striking anything else! Good luck!
The side affects you have is due to the fact your makiwara has too much padding. The less padding you use the skin will get removed and toughens up the skin after several layers have been removed by twisting when you punch. This is Japanese style makiwara training, not Okinawan which is better.
That is stupid ! You can toughen your hands very Gradualy if you know how without getting cuts and Blisters ! I am to old for that now But I was able to put my fist through 6 pine boards without much problem and my hands were Not that conditioned . BUT You HAVE TO BELIEVE YOU CAN DO IT ! it's all in your mind !
After two months of regular punching to first blood fists stoped blooding even if you use full strength. The effect is quite pernament .You do not need practise it regulary. You can brake a brick with bare hand. You can heal hand and it look much more better than side effect video. People will no find out your new skill but you can definitlly recognaize it on other tough fellows knuckles. So do not worry too much and practise. Save you hands if you have something you can use to smash.
If you learn some Chi Gung your hands will heal a lot faster and you will not have arthritis when you get old. Chi Gung is the most important part of conditioning the hands. Without it you are doomed.
Ask him how many years did he train Makiwara striking before you act all high and mighty with advice ... Strengthening your bones is always a risk and if someone is good enough to give you a warning video learn to appreciate that ! If you want to do this kind of training you might try to find a teacher who has done makiwara all his life and who's bones are still good. In sports and martial arts changes/injuries to your body can occur that you can't reverse so always try to train smart !
i've read so much bullshit here in the comment section, but that's how youtube works i guess.....for the future: just take it easy...just hit with 20-30% force.....don't hit to many times....then keep improving as your hands are getting tougher and stronger...it's that simple!...you've just overdone it....it's also important that the surface you are hitting is flexible, otherwise you just damage your bones and joints
I am a karateka of 6 years, however my dojo does not emphasize makiwara training, but I would like to, I have searched up a few sites to buy one, but I was just wondering have to had or heard of any serious injury or problems occuring from makiwara use while using good form?
@ValkyereHowie It would be difficult to seriously hurt yourself when using good form. I'm sure a karateka of your experience would not experience a boxer's fracture or anything like that. But you don't need to buy a makiwara. Traditionally we make them out of what we have. In my case, I wrap thick phone books in colored duct tape in a quilted pattern. It's got 1 cm or so of give which is nice. What I like is that it's easy to spray with alcohol and clean the blood off between students
@ValkyereHowie also don't under use the makiwara. it's not just for punching. I use it for several different kicks, but it seems to work best with kicks with the hard parts of your foot, not the top of your foot. Also, with conditioning, it is good to practice big toe kicks with. DO NOT practice precision techniques like big toe kicks and nukite (etc) on the makiwara unless you've had the proper conditioning first or you'll just break your bones.
@elenchus Good point, my first concern is strikes just because knuckles can be sensitive and that's the last problem you want to have, not being able to use your strikes to their fullest extent because it is too painful. What are good ways to condition your fingers for strikes like the nukite? I've heard a traditional Okinawan exercise was to carry 50lb jars while going through stances, is this true? I was thinking of supplementing water gallons for the jars, would this work?
@ValkyereHowie To be honest, I'm no expert in body hardening. I know that the goju-ryu and uechi-ryu guys do actually carry the heavy jars to condition their grips and fingers. Also, there's the common thrusting your hand into sand or pebbles etc in the desired shape, so it's an impact, but it gives. I've also seen people do the hand-thrust esque movements into long stripes of bamboo, but that seems like it'd hurt a lot lol.
@ValkyereHowie My school doesn't teach hardening for nukite or big-toe kicks, just the more common areas (blocks, knuckles, shins/ankles etc). I've seen people condition big toes and it seems very simple (although obviously hard work), so this month I've spent some time gradually bringing up my toes and it's made a nice improvement. I can big-toe kick my makiwara at maybe 30% and feel no pain on my right side.
@ValkyereHowie Sadly, yes, I'm of little use to you in regards to nukite and so on. I crosstrained shotokan like 5 years ago for a semester and I just firmly remember the teacher using his makiwara for hand conditioning. He'd even hit the heavy bag with nukite and big toe kicks (and it'd move). But I was no where near advanced enough to jump in on it. So body hardening, outside of the common stuff, is a bit of a personal mission this summer.
Shotokan is a great art! Comes directly from master Funakoshi, basically the father of modern Karate, so you know that is one of the more pure styles. Wow! Lol that's pretty insane! Nukite and big toe strikes like that! I have practiced Kobayashi Shorin-Ryu for nearly seven years now and have learned so much, definitely changes your life, however we don't practice with Makiwara so I really want to buy my own Makiwara and begin, but of course I want to avoid injury so trying to research it a bit.
@ValkyereHowie I do really like Shotokan, but the last two years I've done shito-ryu. Other karateka I've talked to have expressed great respect for the shorin-ryu. I'd like to study it at some point. This summer I'll be crosstraining wado-ryu, which I'm looking forward to because it fits with my main style pretty well (yoseikan budo). I've loved shito-ryu too...I like that I can learn from both the naha-te (goju) and shuri-te (shotokan) lineages
@elenchus I have never heard of Yoseikan Budo before, so read up a bit, sounds like a truly amazing martial art! A combination of Judo, Karate, Western Boxing and Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto-Ryu! And the founder was taught by Jigoro Kano, Morihei Ueshiba and Gichin Funakoshi! I might want to try that one day! Sounds fantastic! What are the focuses of it's techniques? Wado-Ryu and Gojo-Ryu are also very good styles. My best friend trained in Gojo for many years, it is very similar to Shorin.
@ValkyereHowie well, the Yoseikan Budo schools vary a lot. At Mochizuki's original school, some of his deshi focused on the karate, judo or aikido aspects and moved to the various corners of the earth. The American style is probably 50% aikido, 40% judo and 10% karate. The European style is like 70% free style karate and 30% everything else...I'm not sure what the Japanese are doing these days. Crosstraining is encouraged there
@elenchus Wow lol. Funny how they all emphasize different aspects. I assume it also comes down to the Dojo a bit, what does your Dojo focus mainly? I'm hoping to start Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu also to compliment my Karate and no longer feel like a fish out of water on the ground! Lol. Sounds like Yoseikan has you pretty covered in all aspects!
@ValkyereHowie I've definitely defeated my share of opponents on the ground, but strictly compared to a black belt in BJJ or judo I usually get my ass handed to me. But what it does give me is a lot of ground defense and I have the option to take it to the ground against superior stand up fighters. We just don't fight or train as hard as the judo/bjj people. But then, we spend a lot of time on stuff they don't, so I guess that makes sense.
@ValkyereHowie my school (before I graduated college and had to move away) was really focused on the aikido and standup judo aspect. We definitely had plenty of time on the ground. I'd say that the purists in the style sucked at kicking but were surprisingly good at striking, but we had a ton of people crosstraining elsewhere and a lot of people coming there to crosstrain, so it was a really mixed bag. The thing is, it's taught in such a way as to blend the different categories of MAs well
@ValkyereHowie our shito-ryu school here at OU though actually does have a small ground aspect, maybe 5% of the time is spent on basic submissions and traditional karate ground-n-pound. Another 10% is spent on sweeps and a couple throws. It's not going to make anyone a grappler, but with a couple years under your belt you would probably be competent to submit non-grapplers or to get defend from grapplers.
@elenchus That's awesome! Is that from Shito-Ryu itself or did your Dojo implement it just to cover the ground a little bit? Shorin-Ryu has 24 different Kumite forms including knife defenses and club defenses so you pick up some very basic throws/takedowns and submissions but all very basic of course.
@ValkyereHowie Well, it's honestly hard for me to say since the teacher started the club and was the only shito-ryu practicioner in the group...also, he had a blue belt in BJJ so he had a bit more background in grappling. But I THINK that yes, most of it is in shito-ryu...shito is a MASSIVE style combining naha-te and shuri-te, so it's like impossible to even know what's in or out unless you've done it for 10 years lol.
@elenchus I see lol, too much to learn, too little time! Master Funakoshi in one of his books also notes an Okinawan form of wrestling called Tegumi that may have had influence on modern Karate. A Tegumi match was won by submission much like Jiu-Jitsu or Japanese Jujutsu.
It sounds like you have a great Dojo + sensei, having mastered Shito-Ryu and having knowledge in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu to get quite a full range of self-defense for almost any scenario!
@ValkyereHowie that's one of the things I really liked about yoseikan budo, and probably would like about hapkido and conventional aikido...you don't need to learn different techniques for weapons. They were built from the ground up to deal with weapons (samurai) not for boxers, so you don't have to change much to use the techniques on the weapons.
@ValkyereHowie that said, aikido stuff, for REAL use, is really advanced. karate has a huge advantage in the learning curve department. I can't believe how far some of the students have come in only 6 months. Thus, I'd be willing to bet that your experience in shurin-ryu, even though you don't use many of those techniques, is actually pretty useful in those areas. And, at any rate, the practicality of sword disarming (etc) is somewhat limited these days
@elenchus Aikido has always looked quite complex to me! The throws seem like they must be hard to get down at first, although they are very beautiful. And sword disarming is a bit out dated these days lol! Rarely see a 'gangster' or 'thug' standing around with a giant sword, that might be a little suspicious to start with! Lol.
@ValkyereHowie Aikido is incredibly complex. I'm happy to have learned it, but part of me wishes I learned it after I learned another martial art...I sort of think you need to already be moderately experienced in another style to make use of it. Even Mochizuki was already a 5th dan (as I recall) in judo before he learned it. Honestly, as I make karate a daily part of my life, the standup techniques of judo and aikido make far more sense to me. I
@elenchus I think much of it has to do with a student having confidence in the art you know? When it's your first time practicing an art or your first time seriously practicing an art you often have doubts about the effectiveness of the ciriculum, but once you realize just how powerful it is you begin to have more faith in it and increase commitment much further. Not to mention the basics are usually quite similar in all arts because they are the most effective.
@ValkyereHowie I needed to be up against stand up purists a lot more to really practice the techniques on someone that doesn't behave like a judoka or aikidoka. Like if I grabbed another yoseikan guy in sparring, he would try to reverse for a throw and I'm used to that feeling. But clinching up on a karateka or thai boxer is a wholly different response (and probably far more representative of a self-defense situation)--aikido/judo works great there, but you have to practice it for real
@elen I think that's a great point, there is a difference between just going through the movements and really training in preperation for self-defense. I think this can be said for all arts. Wether it's free sparring, kata ect. You can definitely tell when someone is just going through the movements versus someone who is training like they mean it and really preparing themselves for real life combat if necissary. That is how I felt with knife defense once I got to brown belt, entirely new game.
@ValkyereHowie as per weapons disarming, some of it is quite antiquated, but the knife disarming is still pretty relevant, as well as crowbar/club etc. Some variants of aikido now practice gun-disarming techniques, which I'm a bit skeptical of, but I guess it'd be better to have some technique to deal with it than none at all. In my school, we never practice gun-disarming though, so it may not be in the yoseikan.
@elenchus Very true. Obviously not many people carry around a bo or a sword. However knife defenses are great and club defenses are superb and can be used against most blunt objects. At my Dojo in the lower levels knife defenses are very tame, not quite reflective of how it would actually be, but as you reach brown belt and into 1st dan or so they become very aggressive, same techniques just at full speed which makes it much more practical.
@elenchus Close range gun defense would be quite difficult indeed, but I guess really it's more about catching the person off guard. If you can get a hold of them before they can react it could work I guess.
@ValkyereHowie yeah...I certainly wouldn't want to count on an empty hand gun defense. But I guess if that's the situation you're in, better to have something that has a low chance of working than to have nothing at all...personally, I haven't studied any of the techniques. Oddly, I've seen the ultra-traditional uechi-ryu guys with gun disarming techniques...which has me very interested
@elenchus Wow lol. That's pretty odd, strange and interesting all at once! They must have created them either in the late 18 hundreds/early 19 hundreds or implemented them in recently? I didn't know that lol.
@ValkyereHowie lol I'd have to guess pretty recently. handguns existed when uechi ryu (the school of uechi) was founded...I think that was in the 40s or 50s. But the style of te and crane it's founded on is of course much older.
@elenchus True lol. Kung Fu and Okinawan Te date back so far it would be unreasonable to suggest even basic types of guns were existent or even that gun powder was existent at that point. However I wonder if any of the traditional modern Karate masters created gun defenses as guns were in of course in existence in the 1800s.
@ValkyereHowie it's difficult to say to what extent the Ryukyu islanders had developed gun countermeasures, but the samurai had experienced gun warfare, I believe due to the Portugese in the late 16th century. It's been a long time since I read the book of Five Rings, but as I recall, Musashi wrote on gun strategy therein. So it's at least conceivable that the te-fighters had encountered primitive musket or rifle technology prior to its introduction to the mainland.
@ValkyereHowie That said, in the case of Asian gun-warfare of the day, I'd be skeptical that they'd have encountered anything like what we'd call a handgun, which is a problem because all of the gun disarming techniques I've seen are handgun-centric. But to some extent handgun-disarming techniques still haven't really been developed per se because they appear to me to be adaptations of pre-existing knife defenses.
@elenchus What is the book of Five Rings? Sounds pretty interesting. Good points and obviously defending against a musket would be a bit easier, hand guns being so small require a lot of precision to grab a hold of than a musket. Someone should create new methods to counter close range gun attacks. Definitely would be a great tool to have in today's world!
@ValkyereHowie The Book of 5 Rings was written by arguably the most famous samurai ever, Miyomoto Musashi, and if you have some time to kill, I'd recommend it--although it's of little direct use to the karateka since it's a treatise on swordsmanship. Many people consider it the Japanese equivalent to Sun Tsu's Art of War, so modern students of budo tend to read it more abstractly, as a general approach to combat strategy...in some Japanese businesses, it's actually required reading
@ValkyereHowie Well, I've seen a variety of contemporary (I must assume) hand-gun disarming techniques over the years. It's not too rare in aikido schools (there's one in my home town that teaches some gun techniques) and also in hapkido schools. Obviously, it's a focus of krav maga and some other militarized martial arts. But, in general, I imagine it'd be best to be armed yourself if you think it's a real possibility that you'll encounter that situation.
@elenchus Absolutely lol, I don't think anyone in the right mind would plan on an empty hand gun defense lol. But I guess knowing them would be good. Some of the Krav Maga defenses look pretty good. I didn't know Aikido or Hapkido had gun defenses myself. But then again Aikido is a much more recently created art, so I don't think it's a stretch to say either one of Ueshiba's students or Ueshiba himself could have created gun defense(s).
@ValkyereHowie well, I'm sure the gun defenses of hapkido and aikido were more recent additions. hapkido is the korean school of aikido, so any difference between it and aikido is the product of modern additions. most aikido schools, as far as I know, do not have the gun defenses. but there was a small aikido school near my last university that did teach them.
@elenchus I see. I don't know much about Hapkido myself. Was the name change to differenciate between the Japanese version of Aikido and the Korean verison of Aikido or is it due to pronunciation? I know Shorin-Ryu is actually the Okinawan pronunciation of Shaolin in respects to the Shaolin temple and some of Karate's heritage in Shaolin Kung Fu, but on the other hand I could just see a name change to differenciate between Japanese Aikido and Korean Aikido.
@ValkyereHowie Choi, the founder of hapkido, was apparently the adopted son of an aiki-jujutsu master in Japan. I've been told that hapkido is merely the result of translating the meaning of aikido into Korean, but they mean roughly the same things. I've studied a little hapkido when I was learning TKD a couple years ago and these days, there's a pretty wide divergence, but the core of the arts is still very similar.
@elenchus Kind of like the difference between Okinawan Karate and Korean Taekwondo or Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and Judo I would assume. Same primary principles, slightly different tactics and maybe a new technique or two? It's pretty interesting to learn about the evolution of the martial arts, fascinates me. But now days everybody looks at it like a 'superiority contest', like a martial art can be better than another martial art and that there could be one supreme martial art.
@ValkyereHowie I agree with you about the fact that there are too many martial artists seeking for the perfect, ultimate, supreme martial art, which doesn't exist.
I think each martial art is a complete system.....once I was told that "before starting to practise with a new martial art, you should be completely confident wit the one you are into". And since being completely confidend with a martial art may take your entire lifetime....the answer comes without saying....
@elenchus I love MMA and the UFC, but it has given people the idea that a martial art can be better than another art. Which is of course absurd when all martial arts have their own strengths and weaknesses. I think the greatest thing a martial artist can do is practice two martial arts that compliment each other; BJJ + Karate, Judo + Boxing ect. ect. Arts that combined give you a full spectrum of self defense ya know? I wish more people realized this.
@ValkyereHowie Well, I do strongly believe that a given technique can be similar to a competitor. I mean, theoretically it's possible that a martial art could exist composed entirely of headbutts, in which case, I would strongly suggest that a competitor from muay thai or boxing (or anything) would prevail even if the headbutt-ist had advanced training. Fighters matter more than styles in the current selection we have, but styles do have a substantial impact.
@elenchus Lol very true, good points. I just mean with the martial arts we have now days, they all have weaknesses and strengths and I feel 60-70% of it is in the hands of the practitioner. Which is why you can see a boxer beat a Muay Thai guy and a Muay Thai guy beat a boxer ect. ect. It just seems quite funny when you have those guys that think their martial art is the one and only lol. I used to be that way with Karate, then I woke up! Lol. Now they all absolutely fascinate me!
@ValkyereHowie AGREE 100%@Now they all absolutely fascinate me! You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free!!! weeeeeeeeee!!! Have a nice day.
@ValkyereHowie Yeah. There is an old saying, there is no superior martial art, only a superior martial artist. The training a warrior receives will have an effect on the warrior produced, but the mindset of the warrior has bigger effect then the limits of the styles. All new style exist because a great warrior saw through the weaknesses of his art and improved it. A match is never between styles, arts, or schools; it is between warriors.
@ValkyereHowie AGREE@ Two or three that compliment. I think if we cover all areas, striking, grappling/wrestling.... using few principles from the two arts (ie, judo/boxing or bjj/muay thai or wing chun, bjj) to guide training and practice. But I think a very important concept that would help is.... Improvisation and ADAPTATION.... I think adapting your style to your opponent is very logical and can simplify training. good discussion.
@ValkyereHowie There are other styles with different names that translate confusingly too. There's a style of Vietnamese kung fu called "thieu lam" which translates into shaolin as well.
im not sure about the japanese form of iron body and iron fist, but with shaolin the point of toughening the body is for health and resistance to normal everyday damage, as well as fighting. hurting yourself to this extent will only weaken you in the long run. the goal is to strengthen and toughen over a long period of time, doing this to yourself is only going to hurry arthritis and joint pain. too much of a good thing is too much.
I've been training for a while ( most of my life) looks to me that the person in question either did not follow instructions correctly, or was not instructed in the way of Makiwara training, sure you can get the deformed hands(Higahona Morio has some major conditioned meat hooks) but if you look at Oshiro( Known for a very strong punch) his method includes wearing a glove during practice,
Dude you aren't focusing on your primary knuckles enough to get that all over. When I used to do this, I would tear the skin off the primary index and middle finger knuckles all the time, but not on the sides of the fist. You are going to break a finger that way!
Yeah..it' called dit Jauw or Dit Da Jauw ...but it wont do that. You still have to train to create thicker layers of cell tissue in the skin and connective tissue and to cause ossification of the metacarpophalangeal joints..no way around it. And he has. I should know..he's my bro'. ;)
hey man, that isn't too bad, if you are still interested in continuing try not to drag your knuckles across the makiwara, and also take it more easily, if you do it for too long, blisters will occur, some suggestions are, shorten your use, wrap it in something softer, and practice more form
There is no such thing as a side effect my friend, there is only BUDO, discipline and passion for what you do. Martial Arts and all its elements are supposed to be practiced to make peace with the world and with yourself. I believe the correct use of a makiwara will increrease not only your hands or feet, but also it will elevate your spirit and determination. Osu!
lol just kiddin, but anyway, the wounds arent as bad as they look, or feel, they will heal up pretty soon, if your like me it'l be a few days to a week or so. you'll be fine.
The desired effect is to have more of a solid bar across the whole kncukle. This can ONLY be achieved through a twist at the end of every punch. I've been bone conditioning for 12 years now and have almost achieved the desired effect. I have some chronic arthritis in my right fist but it only makes me stronger.
Ive been bone conditioning my shins, elbows, forearms, and hands for about 5 years. Using various of devices. After prolonged used, it does "distort" the look of the area. My shins have almost a "perma" brownish marks for the repeatitive hits, my knuckles are protruding. I get some aches and pains, but overall, if done properly, the damage isnt that bad, but ALOT of people dont do it properly. For 25 years of it, and the looks of his hands, he does it properly.
@adrenalinerushskier mmmmm and thats the martial arts way...comment...what part of the comment do you find true then..or are you afraid of the truth, as a martil artist of over 40 years standing and the use of the Makawari..I also have hands that are deformed.. due to lack of true information...you do not need this..
People, When you start to practice makiwara you have to consult at least a master, or to search on Internet for advises. There are masters that practice for 40 years and still haven't any side effect .
You must be doing something wrong, because I get way more conditioned and it never looks that bad. Maybe too much for one session, or something, or maybe it's just you, well your skin or something.
This is what your hand look like when you don't use a makiwara boards. I believe this person may have stopped using the makiwara boards for a while, then started again. After 25 year pf using a makiwara board yours knuckles should bee like steel.
When you hit or beat a Makiwara..You should not allow your hands or fest to get injury...so no new skin or fresh skin builds up..and you suffer just like this clip..
You have to know what you are doing. Makiwara is a great Training, raise the KIME up, but to keep your self up to this limit..allow me to say..this is a stupid showoff..for many years I have trained Makiwara never had your problem. (Unless I want to have it)
thats why you dont start off above ur skill level, or dont hit too hard, or know your limit, or hey, a new novel idea, hit the makiwara with the intention of making yourself better rather than concentrating on just toughening and hitting harder, when you get those results you put yourself back more than you go forward. i suggest putting some red wine on your hands and letting it soak in next time. helps with the healing process and makes sure you dont bruise too much.
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@Dharma73 when it comes down to it , Its just a matter on how far is for you. A Makiwara is a very Great tool if you know how to use it. And from studying Karate in Okinawa and living in Okinawa I have to say from what Ive learned Deforming your hands is the wrong way.
@dannye914 Mas Oyama was the man at knuckle conditioning and he did not suffer any negatives side effects from it because he approached his training correctly. Anyone else can do the same.
@Dharma73 not to argue your point or anything, but i used to think the same thing until i saw a documentery on his life, he had two sons and one daughter.. during the interview, his oldest son, who is a bone specialist at a hospital in japan was taking about how his father developed a bad case of osteo-arthritis..he was saying that when his father (oyama) grew older, he would home from breaking demonstrations and he would break down and moan in agony over his arthritis and his lung cancer
@Dharma73 his son described him as moaning through the night and losing alot of sleep, he described his father as getting horrible pains and having breakdowns in front of him.however, the effects did not set in until he grew older. i have devoted a great deal of my life in the strict practice and persuit of his methods and i can tell you first hand, the effects are fuckin nasty and they only get worse as you get older, you get a lethal punch 4 life,but there is a price to pay and im paying 4 it.
remember in asia they have herbs that they soak the hands in. japanese even go to chinese hearbalist to get this medicine. the iron palm of hung ga they use a dit ja jow medicine for thier hands. thats why you never see a chinese fighter with knuckles like that. thiers are more smooth, not rough looking.
@nighthaunter7865 yes dit da jow its like concoction gold for martial artists im suprised the Okinawan founders didnt bring it back from china cuz that how u keep ur hand form scaring.
It is absolutely unnecessary to hurt yourself that way. Training with a makiwara has not anything to do with hitting it until you bleed and it hurts like hell. That way you will not be able to continue on practising with it, so please take your time and remember that it takes many years to strengthen your hands.
Conditioning your hands is good to a certain extent. It's good that way you wont hurt your hands when hitting a hard bonny part of the body or simply missing your target and hit the wall or something. The down side is it i see you got jacked up knuckles I'm know you know something so I'll get the drop on you first and don't give you time to react. So health wise you develop arthritis in your hands.
@nightmoon11 That's ok. I would Just hit a leather heavy bag. Go slow cause if you don't have strong wrist you can break them. Then go to a leather makiwara board. Like i said go slow one day on one day off you gonna feel your knuckles get a little jelly like or mushy. Let them heal and do it again. But to be honest after awhile you don't need that stuff for self defense. You'll learn punching someone in the throat or slapping there ear is very effective.
Wouldn't worry about it. Your obviously not going to continue if you skin splits anyway. Read Egami's advise on makiwara in the Heart of Karate do. Enjoy the journey
Or just begin with a phonebook
Indeed the shaolins start really slowly andstop when it gets to worse
MrMaximusi 1 week ago
This is why you need to start off slow, put a towel over the board, brick or rock you're conditioning against, warm up the part to be conditioned before and afterwards and gradually build up over time. Gung-fu men can break several bricks with no bullshit spaces between them yet the hands feel soft and have no calluses or such on the outside, but can be as hard as rock when needed. My first teacher could break concrete slabs with his fist but his knuckles looked normal.
Gungfuman77 1 month ago
THE BARBI HAND
bruceleeestavivo 1 month ago
What you need is Material Arts Handshoes.
You brought too much power into your Makiwara training. Makiwaras are never used with power, only with speed.
Pommes1983 1 month ago
It's actually osu! Not "oss". U put shit on here it's public domain, u deserve to get bagged
fjunk72 1 month ago
@fjunk72 according to the instruction manual titled "Martial Art Basics Karate" (sold at Barns and Noble) by 5th dan JKA Kevin Healy (page 10) it is "Oss". A fifth dan wouldn't make such a mistake. In the future may I suggest a bit more respect for fellow Karate-ka.
SekTauBand 1 month ago
looks more like the side effect of doing it wrong.
paddyoshea55 2 months ago 2
Every time someone posts a video, there in for a sea of critizms how they wern't perfect??? Comone guys let the guy express himself. (Also, great to see the swelling on the correct part of your hand :)) Oss
TheDexta007 2 months ago
natural brass knuckles
TheBigGuyBGY 2 months ago
拳ダコが出来てるみたいですね
更に頑張って硬くしましょう。
charly345mstl 2 months ago
Non, pas quand on le fait dans les règles de l'art, à savoir commencer à taper doucement puis augmenter peu à peu la puissance.
Juday1979 2 months ago
Deformed hands are not necessary. You can condition your hands without fucking them up. This is just stupid...
DrSpooglemon 2 months ago 2
Tienes que tener 5 años entrenando us.
luisr222r 3 months ago
Bien pero te falta mas entrenamiento para que puedas romper 4 o 6 tablas y blockes yo llevo 3 meses
luisr222r 3 months ago
Impresionante...pero no es necesario llegar a eso.....
ikki7777 5 months ago
hahaha. good. see oyama hand and u know u need more training
walawe 5 months ago
I love the ad for "Have you got arthritis?" popping up on this video LOL
G3Dre 6 months ago 4
The scab on your knuckle is a good indication that there is something wrong with how you are punching, regardless of skin toughening. If I were you I'd rest, and practise on some focus pads to perfect your punch, before striking anything else! Good luck!
howiedanja 6 months ago
just stupid ;)
Onikznsk 6 months ago
The side affects you have is due to the fact your makiwara has too much padding. The less padding you use the skin will get removed and toughens up the skin after several layers have been removed by twisting when you punch. This is Japanese style makiwara training, not Okinawan which is better.
seanamico 6 months ago
That is stupid ! You can toughen your hands very Gradualy if you know how without getting cuts and Blisters ! I am to old for that now But I was able to put my fist through 6 pine boards without much problem and my hands were Not that conditioned . BUT You HAVE TO BELIEVE YOU CAN DO IT ! it's all in your mind !
nicktesla45 6 months ago
After two months of regular punching to first blood fists stoped blooding even if you use full strength. The effect is quite pernament .You do not need practise it regulary. You can brake a brick with bare hand. You can heal hand and it look much more better than side effect video. People will no find out your new skill but you can definitlly recognaize it on other tough fellows knuckles. So do not worry too much and practise. Save you hands if you have something you can use to smash.
stefanptube 7 months ago
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stefanptube 7 months ago
If you learn some Chi Gung your hands will heal a lot faster and you will not have arthritis when you get old. Chi Gung is the most important part of conditioning the hands. Without it you are doomed.
coldfission75 7 months ago
After how many years did your knuckles got like that?
PowerfulNe0 7 months ago
lol this is just after training,it is all up to you lol...how you train,how hard do you hit and how strong you want to be :)
XKNIGHT196 7 months ago
is it callise (idk how you write it) or fluid?
tipsy700 7 months ago
iv gotten MUCH worse bruises and cuts
MsDumnut 7 months ago
@MsDumnut ...from using a makiwara
MsDumnut 7 months ago
faggot,,,,ouch mu hand hurt me....fag
adlkdflsk 8 months ago
looks like you will be a cripple soon.
mad1966dog 8 months ago
fake and gay
Insulino666 8 months ago
@Insulino666
Fake? i'm just 13 years but my fist is copy of this one...
Liudas101 8 months ago
Ask him how many years did he train Makiwara striking before you act all high and mighty with advice ... Strengthening your bones is always a risk and if someone is good enough to give you a warning video learn to appreciate that ! If you want to do this kind of training you might try to find a teacher who has done makiwara all his life and who's bones are still good. In sports and martial arts changes/injuries to your body can occur that you can't reverse so always try to train smart !
RexBaselio 9 months ago
ur an idiot
xxxKenseIxxx 9 months ago
i've read so much bullshit here in the comment section, but that's how youtube works i guess.....for the future: just take it easy...just hit with 20-30% force.....don't hit to many times....then keep improving as your hands are getting tougher and stronger...it's that simple!...you've just overdone it....it's also important that the surface you are hitting is flexible, otherwise you just damage your bones and joints
best wishes
Thome90 9 months ago
are you serious?
mariosmcdj 9 months ago
I am a karateka of 6 years, however my dojo does not emphasize makiwara training, but I would like to, I have searched up a few sites to buy one, but I was just wondering have to had or heard of any serious injury or problems occuring from makiwara use while using good form?
ValkyereHowie 9 months ago
@ValkyereHowie makiwara is good first day you going to get a burn like in the video... i been using makiwara i training 9 years shotokan
mariosmcdj 9 months ago
@mariosmcdj Thanks for info! Shotokan is an incredible style I am sure! Especially since it was created by master Funakoshi himself!
ValkyereHowie 9 months ago
@ValkyereHowie It would be difficult to seriously hurt yourself when using good form. I'm sure a karateka of your experience would not experience a boxer's fracture or anything like that. But you don't need to buy a makiwara. Traditionally we make them out of what we have. In my case, I wrap thick phone books in colored duct tape in a quilted pattern. It's got 1 cm or so of give which is nice. What I like is that it's easy to spray with alcohol and clean the blood off between students
elenchus 9 months ago
@ValkyereHowie also don't under use the makiwara. it's not just for punching. I use it for several different kicks, but it seems to work best with kicks with the hard parts of your foot, not the top of your foot. Also, with conditioning, it is good to practice big toe kicks with. DO NOT practice precision techniques like big toe kicks and nukite (etc) on the makiwara unless you've had the proper conditioning first or you'll just break your bones.
elenchus 9 months ago
@elenchus Good point, my first concern is strikes just because knuckles can be sensitive and that's the last problem you want to have, not being able to use your strikes to their fullest extent because it is too painful. What are good ways to condition your fingers for strikes like the nukite? I've heard a traditional Okinawan exercise was to carry 50lb jars while going through stances, is this true? I was thinking of supplementing water gallons for the jars, would this work?
ValkyereHowie 9 months ago
@ValkyereHowie To be honest, I'm no expert in body hardening. I know that the goju-ryu and uechi-ryu guys do actually carry the heavy jars to condition their grips and fingers. Also, there's the common thrusting your hand into sand or pebbles etc in the desired shape, so it's an impact, but it gives. I've also seen people do the hand-thrust esque movements into long stripes of bamboo, but that seems like it'd hurt a lot lol.
elenchus 9 months ago
@ValkyereHowie My school doesn't teach hardening for nukite or big-toe kicks, just the more common areas (blocks, knuckles, shins/ankles etc). I've seen people condition big toes and it seems very simple (although obviously hard work), so this month I've spent some time gradually bringing up my toes and it's made a nice improvement. I can big-toe kick my makiwara at maybe 30% and feel no pain on my right side.
elenchus 9 months ago
@ValkyereHowie Sadly, yes, I'm of little use to you in regards to nukite and so on. I crosstrained shotokan like 5 years ago for a semester and I just firmly remember the teacher using his makiwara for hand conditioning. He'd even hit the heavy bag with nukite and big toe kicks (and it'd move). But I was no where near advanced enough to jump in on it. So body hardening, outside of the common stuff, is a bit of a personal mission this summer.
elenchus 9 months ago
Shotokan is a great art! Comes directly from master Funakoshi, basically the father of modern Karate, so you know that is one of the more pure styles. Wow! Lol that's pretty insane! Nukite and big toe strikes like that! I have practiced Kobayashi Shorin-Ryu for nearly seven years now and have learned so much, definitely changes your life, however we don't practice with Makiwara so I really want to buy my own Makiwara and begin, but of course I want to avoid injury so trying to research it a bit.
ValkyereHowie 8 months ago
@ValkyereHowie I do really like Shotokan, but the last two years I've done shito-ryu. Other karateka I've talked to have expressed great respect for the shorin-ryu. I'd like to study it at some point. This summer I'll be crosstraining wado-ryu, which I'm looking forward to because it fits with my main style pretty well (yoseikan budo). I've loved shito-ryu too...I like that I can learn from both the naha-te (goju) and shuri-te (shotokan) lineages
elenchus 8 months ago
@elenchus I have never heard of Yoseikan Budo before, so read up a bit, sounds like a truly amazing martial art! A combination of Judo, Karate, Western Boxing and Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto-Ryu! And the founder was taught by Jigoro Kano, Morihei Ueshiba and Gichin Funakoshi! I might want to try that one day! Sounds fantastic! What are the focuses of it's techniques? Wado-Ryu and Gojo-Ryu are also very good styles. My best friend trained in Gojo for many years, it is very similar to Shorin.
ValkyereHowie 8 months ago
@ValkyereHowie well, the Yoseikan Budo schools vary a lot. At Mochizuki's original school, some of his deshi focused on the karate, judo or aikido aspects and moved to the various corners of the earth. The American style is probably 50% aikido, 40% judo and 10% karate. The European style is like 70% free style karate and 30% everything else...I'm not sure what the Japanese are doing these days. Crosstraining is encouraged there
elenchus 8 months ago
@elenchus Wow lol. Funny how they all emphasize different aspects. I assume it also comes down to the Dojo a bit, what does your Dojo focus mainly? I'm hoping to start Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu also to compliment my Karate and no longer feel like a fish out of water on the ground! Lol. Sounds like Yoseikan has you pretty covered in all aspects!
ValkyereHowie 8 months ago
@ValkyereHowie I've definitely defeated my share of opponents on the ground, but strictly compared to a black belt in BJJ or judo I usually get my ass handed to me. But what it does give me is a lot of ground defense and I have the option to take it to the ground against superior stand up fighters. We just don't fight or train as hard as the judo/bjj people. But then, we spend a lot of time on stuff they don't, so I guess that makes sense.
elenchus 8 months ago
@ValkyereHowie my school (before I graduated college and had to move away) was really focused on the aikido and standup judo aspect. We definitely had plenty of time on the ground. I'd say that the purists in the style sucked at kicking but were surprisingly good at striking, but we had a ton of people crosstraining elsewhere and a lot of people coming there to crosstrain, so it was a really mixed bag. The thing is, it's taught in such a way as to blend the different categories of MAs well
elenchus 8 months ago
@ValkyereHowie our shito-ryu school here at OU though actually does have a small ground aspect, maybe 5% of the time is spent on basic submissions and traditional karate ground-n-pound. Another 10% is spent on sweeps and a couple throws. It's not going to make anyone a grappler, but with a couple years under your belt you would probably be competent to submit non-grapplers or to get defend from grapplers.
elenchus 8 months ago
@elenchus That's awesome! Is that from Shito-Ryu itself or did your Dojo implement it just to cover the ground a little bit? Shorin-Ryu has 24 different Kumite forms including knife defenses and club defenses so you pick up some very basic throws/takedowns and submissions but all very basic of course.
ValkyereHowie 8 months ago
@ValkyereHowie Well, it's honestly hard for me to say since the teacher started the club and was the only shito-ryu practicioner in the group...also, he had a blue belt in BJJ so he had a bit more background in grappling. But I THINK that yes, most of it is in shito-ryu...shito is a MASSIVE style combining naha-te and shuri-te, so it's like impossible to even know what's in or out unless you've done it for 10 years lol.
elenchus 8 months ago
@elenchus I see lol, too much to learn, too little time! Master Funakoshi in one of his books also notes an Okinawan form of wrestling called Tegumi that may have had influence on modern Karate. A Tegumi match was won by submission much like Jiu-Jitsu or Japanese Jujutsu.
It sounds like you have a great Dojo + sensei, having mastered Shito-Ryu and having knowledge in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu to get quite a full range of self-defense for almost any scenario!
ValkyereHowie 8 months ago
@ValkyereHowie that's one of the things I really liked about yoseikan budo, and probably would like about hapkido and conventional aikido...you don't need to learn different techniques for weapons. They were built from the ground up to deal with weapons (samurai) not for boxers, so you don't have to change much to use the techniques on the weapons.
elenchus 8 months ago
@ValkyereHowie that said, aikido stuff, for REAL use, is really advanced. karate has a huge advantage in the learning curve department. I can't believe how far some of the students have come in only 6 months. Thus, I'd be willing to bet that your experience in shurin-ryu, even though you don't use many of those techniques, is actually pretty useful in those areas. And, at any rate, the practicality of sword disarming (etc) is somewhat limited these days
elenchus 8 months ago
@elenchus Aikido has always looked quite complex to me! The throws seem like they must be hard to get down at first, although they are very beautiful. And sword disarming is a bit out dated these days lol! Rarely see a 'gangster' or 'thug' standing around with a giant sword, that might be a little suspicious to start with! Lol.
ValkyereHowie 8 months ago
@ValkyereHowie Aikido is incredibly complex. I'm happy to have learned it, but part of me wishes I learned it after I learned another martial art...I sort of think you need to already be moderately experienced in another style to make use of it. Even Mochizuki was already a 5th dan (as I recall) in judo before he learned it. Honestly, as I make karate a daily part of my life, the standup techniques of judo and aikido make far more sense to me. I
elenchus 8 months ago
@elenchus I think much of it has to do with a student having confidence in the art you know? When it's your first time practicing an art or your first time seriously practicing an art you often have doubts about the effectiveness of the ciriculum, but once you realize just how powerful it is you begin to have more faith in it and increase commitment much further. Not to mention the basics are usually quite similar in all arts because they are the most effective.
ValkyereHowie 8 months ago
@ValkyereHowie I needed to be up against stand up purists a lot more to really practice the techniques on someone that doesn't behave like a judoka or aikidoka. Like if I grabbed another yoseikan guy in sparring, he would try to reverse for a throw and I'm used to that feeling. But clinching up on a karateka or thai boxer is a wholly different response (and probably far more representative of a self-defense situation)--aikido/judo works great there, but you have to practice it for real
elenchus 8 months ago
@elen I think that's a great point, there is a difference between just going through the movements and really training in preperation for self-defense. I think this can be said for all arts. Wether it's free sparring, kata ect. You can definitely tell when someone is just going through the movements versus someone who is training like they mean it and really preparing themselves for real life combat if necissary. That is how I felt with knife defense once I got to brown belt, entirely new game.
ValkyereHowie 8 months ago
@ValkyereHowie as per weapons disarming, some of it is quite antiquated, but the knife disarming is still pretty relevant, as well as crowbar/club etc. Some variants of aikido now practice gun-disarming techniques, which I'm a bit skeptical of, but I guess it'd be better to have some technique to deal with it than none at all. In my school, we never practice gun-disarming though, so it may not be in the yoseikan.
elenchus 8 months ago
@elenchus Very true. Obviously not many people carry around a bo or a sword. However knife defenses are great and club defenses are superb and can be used against most blunt objects. At my Dojo in the lower levels knife defenses are very tame, not quite reflective of how it would actually be, but as you reach brown belt and into 1st dan or so they become very aggressive, same techniques just at full speed which makes it much more practical.
ValkyereHowie 8 months ago
@elenchus Close range gun defense would be quite difficult indeed, but I guess really it's more about catching the person off guard. If you can get a hold of them before they can react it could work I guess.
ValkyereHowie 8 months ago
@ValkyereHowie yeah...I certainly wouldn't want to count on an empty hand gun defense. But I guess if that's the situation you're in, better to have something that has a low chance of working than to have nothing at all...personally, I haven't studied any of the techniques. Oddly, I've seen the ultra-traditional uechi-ryu guys with gun disarming techniques...which has me very interested
elenchus 8 months ago
@elenchus Wow lol. That's pretty odd, strange and interesting all at once! They must have created them either in the late 18 hundreds/early 19 hundreds or implemented them in recently? I didn't know that lol.
ValkyereHowie 8 months ago
@ValkyereHowie lol I'd have to guess pretty recently. handguns existed when uechi ryu (the school of uechi) was founded...I think that was in the 40s or 50s. But the style of te and crane it's founded on is of course much older.
elenchus 8 months ago
@elenchus True lol. Kung Fu and Okinawan Te date back so far it would be unreasonable to suggest even basic types of guns were existent or even that gun powder was existent at that point. However I wonder if any of the traditional modern Karate masters created gun defenses as guns were in of course in existence in the 1800s.
ValkyereHowie 8 months ago
@ValkyereHowie it's difficult to say to what extent the Ryukyu islanders had developed gun countermeasures, but the samurai had experienced gun warfare, I believe due to the Portugese in the late 16th century. It's been a long time since I read the book of Five Rings, but as I recall, Musashi wrote on gun strategy therein. So it's at least conceivable that the te-fighters had encountered primitive musket or rifle technology prior to its introduction to the mainland.
elenchus 8 months ago
@ValkyereHowie That said, in the case of Asian gun-warfare of the day, I'd be skeptical that they'd have encountered anything like what we'd call a handgun, which is a problem because all of the gun disarming techniques I've seen are handgun-centric. But to some extent handgun-disarming techniques still haven't really been developed per se because they appear to me to be adaptations of pre-existing knife defenses.
elenchus 8 months ago
@elenchus What is the book of Five Rings? Sounds pretty interesting. Good points and obviously defending against a musket would be a bit easier, hand guns being so small require a lot of precision to grab a hold of than a musket. Someone should create new methods to counter close range gun attacks. Definitely would be a great tool to have in today's world!
ValkyereHowie 8 months ago
@ValkyereHowie The Book of 5 Rings was written by arguably the most famous samurai ever, Miyomoto Musashi, and if you have some time to kill, I'd recommend it--although it's of little direct use to the karateka since it's a treatise on swordsmanship. Many people consider it the Japanese equivalent to Sun Tsu's Art of War, so modern students of budo tend to read it more abstractly, as a general approach to combat strategy...in some Japanese businesses, it's actually required reading
elenchus 8 months ago
@elenchus Wow! Sounds pretty outstanding! Thank you!
ValkyereHowie 8 months ago
@ValkyereHowie Well, I've seen a variety of contemporary (I must assume) hand-gun disarming techniques over the years. It's not too rare in aikido schools (there's one in my home town that teaches some gun techniques) and also in hapkido schools. Obviously, it's a focus of krav maga and some other militarized martial arts. But, in general, I imagine it'd be best to be armed yourself if you think it's a real possibility that you'll encounter that situation.
elenchus 8 months ago
@elenchus Absolutely lol, I don't think anyone in the right mind would plan on an empty hand gun defense lol. But I guess knowing them would be good. Some of the Krav Maga defenses look pretty good. I didn't know Aikido or Hapkido had gun defenses myself. But then again Aikido is a much more recently created art, so I don't think it's a stretch to say either one of Ueshiba's students or Ueshiba himself could have created gun defense(s).
ValkyereHowie 8 months ago
@ValkyereHowie well, I'm sure the gun defenses of hapkido and aikido were more recent additions. hapkido is the korean school of aikido, so any difference between it and aikido is the product of modern additions. most aikido schools, as far as I know, do not have the gun defenses. but there was a small aikido school near my last university that did teach them.
elenchus 8 months ago
@elenchus I see. I don't know much about Hapkido myself. Was the name change to differenciate between the Japanese version of Aikido and the Korean verison of Aikido or is it due to pronunciation? I know Shorin-Ryu is actually the Okinawan pronunciation of Shaolin in respects to the Shaolin temple and some of Karate's heritage in Shaolin Kung Fu, but on the other hand I could just see a name change to differenciate between Japanese Aikido and Korean Aikido.
ValkyereHowie 8 months ago
@ValkyereHowie Choi, the founder of hapkido, was apparently the adopted son of an aiki-jujutsu master in Japan. I've been told that hapkido is merely the result of translating the meaning of aikido into Korean, but they mean roughly the same things. I've studied a little hapkido when I was learning TKD a couple years ago and these days, there's a pretty wide divergence, but the core of the arts is still very similar.
elenchus 8 months ago
@elenchus Kind of like the difference between Okinawan Karate and Korean Taekwondo or Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and Judo I would assume. Same primary principles, slightly different tactics and maybe a new technique or two? It's pretty interesting to learn about the evolution of the martial arts, fascinates me. But now days everybody looks at it like a 'superiority contest', like a martial art can be better than another martial art and that there could be one supreme martial art.
ValkyereHowie 8 months ago
@ValkyereHowie I agree with you about the fact that there are too many martial artists seeking for the perfect, ultimate, supreme martial art, which doesn't exist.
I think each martial art is a complete system.....once I was told that "before starting to practise with a new martial art, you should be completely confident wit the one you are into". And since being completely confidend with a martial art may take your entire lifetime....the answer comes without saying....
vr079962 8 months ago
@elenchus I love MMA and the UFC, but it has given people the idea that a martial art can be better than another art. Which is of course absurd when all martial arts have their own strengths and weaknesses. I think the greatest thing a martial artist can do is practice two martial arts that compliment each other; BJJ + Karate, Judo + Boxing ect. ect. Arts that combined give you a full spectrum of self defense ya know? I wish more people realized this.
ValkyereHowie 8 months ago
@ValkyereHowie Well, I do strongly believe that a given technique can be similar to a competitor. I mean, theoretically it's possible that a martial art could exist composed entirely of headbutts, in which case, I would strongly suggest that a competitor from muay thai or boxing (or anything) would prevail even if the headbutt-ist had advanced training. Fighters matter more than styles in the current selection we have, but styles do have a substantial impact.
elenchus 8 months ago
@elenchus Lol very true, good points. I just mean with the martial arts we have now days, they all have weaknesses and strengths and I feel 60-70% of it is in the hands of the practitioner. Which is why you can see a boxer beat a Muay Thai guy and a Muay Thai guy beat a boxer ect. ect. It just seems quite funny when you have those guys that think their martial art is the one and only lol. I used to be that way with Karate, then I woke up! Lol. Now they all absolutely fascinate me!
ValkyereHowie 8 months ago
@ValkyereHowie AGREE 100%@Now they all absolutely fascinate me! You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free!!! weeeeeeeeee!!! Have a nice day.
Handspoken 8 months ago
@ValkyereHowie Yeah. There is an old saying, there is no superior martial art, only a superior martial artist. The training a warrior receives will have an effect on the warrior produced, but the mindset of the warrior has bigger effect then the limits of the styles. All new style exist because a great warrior saw through the weaknesses of his art and improved it. A match is never between styles, arts, or schools; it is between warriors.
Altonahk 8 months ago 9
@Altonahk A match is not so much between warriors as it is an internal struggle within the individual, one's self.
ImStayGold42 1 month ago
@ValkyereHowie AGREE@ Two or three that compliment. I think if we cover all areas, striking, grappling/wrestling.... using few principles from the two arts (ie, judo/boxing or bjj/muay thai or wing chun, bjj) to guide training and practice. But I think a very important concept that would help is.... Improvisation and ADAPTATION.... I think adapting your style to your opponent is very logical and can simplify training. good discussion.
Handspoken 8 months ago
@Handspoken Very true, one should always be focusing on their strengths and using them against their opponent's weakest attributes.
ValkyereHowie 8 months ago
@ValkyereHowie There are other styles with different names that translate confusingly too. There's a style of Vietnamese kung fu called "thieu lam" which translates into shaolin as well.
elenchus 8 months ago
Where is the side effect???
twangeste 9 months ago
I use to have those but 10 times worse,I dont think its a good idea my knuckles hurt like arthritic when they were coming down and I was only 20...
robertelliottlangs 9 months ago
im not sure about the japanese form of iron body and iron fist, but with shaolin the point of toughening the body is for health and resistance to normal everyday damage, as well as fighting. hurting yourself to this extent will only weaken you in the long run. the goal is to strengthen and toughen over a long period of time, doing this to yourself is only going to hurry arthritis and joint pain. too much of a good thing is too much.
MightySunTzu 10 months ago 2
tapette
quchitxa 10 months ago
I've been hitting trees for 15 years, and i never had that shit.
I think u don't know how to hit properly, u should ask a good master instead of trying like a kamikaze.
moussleouf 10 months ago
all you noobs type in at google images: mas oyama godhand an then make your comment
fanzi9 10 months ago
thats the point?
xXJDMXx420 10 months ago
I've been training for a while ( most of my life) looks to me that the person in question either did not follow instructions correctly, or was not instructed in the way of Makiwara training, sure you can get the deformed hands(Higahona Morio has some major conditioned meat hooks) but if you look at Oshiro( Known for a very strong punch) his method includes wearing a glove during practice,
Specter1957 11 months ago
is that callus or blisters
kenseisato1989 11 months ago
Yeah, you deserve that. You obviously don't train properly or no one taught you properly
JVThrillz 11 months ago
u fail !
CitrixJuice 11 months ago
hmm karate is known for making ugly hands and bad kneejoints
schulleee 11 months ago
This is what happens when you think makiwara is all about going to your back yard and hitting trees as hard as you can.
Yamtendo 1 year ago
proper makiwara should be a gradual process. you dont start out smashing your fists, it will only cause damage and strengthen your bones unevenly.
kinaesthesis 1 year ago
Dude you aren't focusing on your primary knuckles enough to get that all over. When I used to do this, I would tear the skin off the primary index and middle finger knuckles all the time, but not on the sides of the fist. You are going to break a finger that way!
MorteWulfe 1 year ago
there is a shaolin liquid for the hands for not hurting them
jin54363 1 year ago
@jin54363
Yeah..it' called dit Jauw or Dit Da Jauw ...but it wont do that. You still have to train to create thicker layers of cell tissue in the skin and connective tissue and to cause ossification of the metacarpophalangeal joints..no way around it. And he has. I should know..he's my bro'. ;)
ferkinskin 1 year ago
hey man, that isn't too bad, if you are still interested in continuing try not to drag your knuckles across the makiwara, and also take it more easily, if you do it for too long, blisters will occur, some suggestions are, shorten your use, wrap it in something softer, and practice more form
0netheonly 1 year ago
makiwara side effect
this seems to be some one who has no idea what he is doing.
jadm110 1 year ago
There is no such thing as a side effect my friend, there is only BUDO, discipline and passion for what you do. Martial Arts and all its elements are supposed to be practiced to make peace with the world and with yourself. I believe the correct use of a makiwara will increrease not only your hands or feet, but also it will elevate your spirit and determination. Osu!
TheJoma89 1 year ago
I use a makiwara at my dojo and that never happens, proper techniques equals no injury
TheShotokankarateguy 1 year ago 2
you are striking wrong.. keep going!
Hardcoer84 1 year ago
that's good training effects now your hands will be like oldboy
garuga0777 1 year ago
lol just kiddin, but anyway, the wounds arent as bad as they look, or feel, they will heal up pretty soon, if your like me it'l be a few days to a week or so. you'll be fine.
ssths 1 year ago
Awww... does it hurt baby?
next time don't do your hand conditioning while your high on crystal meth!!
ssths 1 year ago
your not soppose to over due it this much take it easy
ilgopeds4378 1 year ago
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The desired effect is to have more of a solid bar across the whole kncukle. This can ONLY be achieved through a twist at the end of every punch. I've been bone conditioning for 12 years now and have almost achieved the desired effect. I have some chronic arthritis in my right fist but it only makes me stronger.
darrenleroy 1 year ago
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darrenleroy 1 year ago
How you feel now?:D
budaLT 1 year ago
Ive been bone conditioning my shins, elbows, forearms, and hands for about 5 years. Using various of devices. After prolonged used, it does "distort" the look of the area. My shins have almost a "perma" brownish marks for the repeatitive hits, my knuckles are protruding. I get some aches and pains, but overall, if done properly, the damage isnt that bad, but ALOT of people dont do it properly. For 25 years of it, and the looks of his hands, he does it properly.
Vikturus2k6 1 year ago
hi, could you tell me how hard your knockles are exactly ?
Lucasdeboer 1 year ago
and the arthritis that you will get when you get older
brymacbluesband 1 year ago
@brymacbluesband fuck you
adrenalinerushskier 1 year ago
@adrenalinerushskier mmmmm and thats the martial arts way...comment...what part of the comment do you find true then..or are you afraid of the truth, as a martil artist of over 40 years standing and the use of the Makawari..I also have hands that are deformed.. due to lack of true information...you do not need this..
brymacbluesband 1 year ago
@brymacbluesband letme hit you in the face and you tellme if that doesnt works......
ichigo8892 1 year ago
@ichigo8892 ...sorry better late than ever, you would get near my face..it doesnt stand still like a makiwari does..and i do hit back..
brymacbluesband 3 months ago
man... I hit a WALL everyday and I don't get like that... you don't know hot to take of yours hands after...
Blackangel234 1 year ago
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Blackangel234 1 year ago
cool ....keep on!
martialarts04 1 year ago
People, When you start to practice makiwara you have to consult at least a master, or to search on Internet for advises. There are masters that practice for 40 years and still haven't any side effect .
grisanea29 1 year ago
You must be doing something wrong, because I get way more conditioned and it never looks that bad. Maybe too much for one session, or something, or maybe it's just you, well your skin or something.
askaboutRudyV 1 year ago
This is what your hand look like when you don't use a makiwara boards. I believe this person may have stopped using the makiwara boards for a while, then started again. After 25 year pf using a makiwara board yours knuckles should bee like steel.
pelypel 1 year ago
Well...Makiwara needs an art..not a crap.
When you hit or beat a Makiwara..You should not allow your hands or fest to get injury...so no new skin or fresh skin builds up..and you suffer just like this clip..
You have to know what you are doing. Makiwara is a great Training, raise the KIME up, but to keep your self up to this limit..allow me to say..this is a stupid showoff..for many years I have trained Makiwara never had your problem. (Unless I want to have it)
deadooo 1 year ago
thats nothing compared with my sensei wow buts stills ben amazing i have 5 years entraining with makiwara and i almost reach that level
ichigo8892 1 year ago
what ever you are doing you are doing it wrong..... u are supposed to have your bones hardened, not your skin.. that is called callous....
Eltatopr 1 year ago
what's the side effect?
tipsy700 1 year ago
have you used the medical medicinedit da jow?
thejijjic 1 year ago
WHen your fist can blow your opposent head or chest into piece, in 1 f***** punch then you don't care about side effect LMAO!!
Kaito66666 1 year ago
@Kaito66666 xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
ichigo8892 1 year ago
pussy
McUskok 1 year ago
thats why you dont start off above ur skill level, or dont hit too hard, or know your limit, or hey, a new novel idea, hit the makiwara with the intention of making yourself better rather than concentrating on just toughening and hitting harder, when you get those results you put yourself back more than you go forward. i suggest putting some red wine on your hands and letting it soak in next time. helps with the healing process and makes sure you dont bruise too much.
MightySunTzu 1 year ago
what does kill you only makes you stronger
cameromanuel2010 1 year ago
i've seen worse..
sientguy 1 year ago
Nice!
fund4ment 1 year ago
pussy
dannyirwin 1 year ago
lol ubprofessional
Mr118c 1 year ago
now go out and strike is some more!
Cuthburt1232007 1 year ago
If you grab a set of the rod of iron this device will make you hard as hell in just a few weeks add this to your training program and you will be hard to stop. Fists like rocks and more I invented it, patented it,use it and stand behind it 100% look at my web page about us and you will see were I was in a motorcycle wreck just back in december of this year I literally bounced of the car and walked away. @therodofiron0com
THERODOFIRON777 1 year ago
To much training...thats just overdoing a good thing
dannye914 1 year ago 3
@dannye914 wrong
Dharma73 1 year ago
@Dharma73 when it comes down to it , Its just a matter on how far is for you. A Makiwara is a very Great tool if you know how to use it. And from studying Karate in Okinawa and living in Okinawa I have to say from what Ive learned Deforming your hands is the wrong way.
dannye914 1 year ago
@dannye914 Mas Oyama was the man at knuckle conditioning and he did not suffer any negatives side effects from it because he approached his training correctly. Anyone else can do the same.
Dharma73 1 year ago
@Dharma73 not to argue your point or anything, but i used to think the same thing until i saw a documentery on his life, he had two sons and one daughter.. during the interview, his oldest son, who is a bone specialist at a hospital in japan was taking about how his father developed a bad case of osteo-arthritis..he was saying that when his father (oyama) grew older, he would home from breaking demonstrations and he would break down and moan in agony over his arthritis and his lung cancer
JUGGERNAUTWORSHIPER 1 year ago
@Dharma73 his son described him as moaning through the night and losing alot of sleep, he described his father as getting horrible pains and having breakdowns in front of him.however, the effects did not set in until he grew older. i have devoted a great deal of my life in the strict practice and persuit of his methods and i can tell you first hand, the effects are fuckin nasty and they only get worse as you get older, you get a lethal punch 4 life,but there is a price to pay and im paying 4 it.
JUGGERNAUTWORSHIPER 1 year ago
fail
krasat 1 year ago
that's the way you do it
fund4ment 1 year ago
remember in asia they have herbs that they soak the hands in. japanese even go to chinese hearbalist to get this medicine. the iron palm of hung ga they use a dit ja jow medicine for thier hands. thats why you never see a chinese fighter with knuckles like that. thiers are more smooth, not rough looking.
edlo123 1 year ago
@edlo123 agree, dit da jow ftw
nighthaunter7865 1 year ago 2
@nighthaunter7865 yes dit da jow its like concoction gold for martial artists im suprised the Okinawan founders didnt bring it back from china cuz that how u keep ur hand form scaring.
kaindrg 1 year ago
You're a fool. Your hands are weak! You can not retain martial arts! Fail hands. Fail male.
JohnnyTheRavenous 1 year ago
Agreed and thumbs up for you mate
kyuubifox66 1 year ago
It is absolutely unnecessary to hurt yourself that way. Training with a makiwara has not anything to do with hitting it until you bleed and it hurts like hell. That way you will not be able to continue on practising with it, so please take your time and remember that it takes many years to strengthen your hands.
lpzcaba 1 year ago
Conditioning your hands is good to a certain extent. It's good that way you wont hurt your hands when hitting a hard bonny part of the body or simply missing your target and hit the wall or something. The down side is it i see you got jacked up knuckles I'm know you know something so I'll get the drop on you first and don't give you time to react. So health wise you develop arthritis in your hands.
kungfuspic 1 year ago
@kungfuspic im considering wrapping a foampad around a metal pole and using that, would that work well? any advice
nightmoon11 1 year ago
@nightmoon11 That's ok. I would Just hit a leather heavy bag. Go slow cause if you don't have strong wrist you can break them. Then go to a leather makiwara board. Like i said go slow one day on one day off you gonna feel your knuckles get a little jelly like or mushy. Let them heal and do it again. But to be honest after awhile you don't need that stuff for self defense. You'll learn punching someone in the throat or slapping there ear is very effective.
kungfuspic 1 year ago
Good work ;-))
joute12 2 years ago
Maybe it's because you're not doing it correctly
Grimmwood 2 years ago 3
Wouldn't worry about it. Your obviously not going to continue if you skin splits anyway. Read Egami's advise on makiwara in the Heart of Karate do. Enjoy the journey
BujiZen 2 years ago
good
garcha10 2 years ago
2 y 3??? jajajaja
kevinjkd 2 years ago
look ..its just a lil calus n swolling do knuckle push ups n next time dont act like u da hulk take you time ...it takes years to get strong hands
kidrebel13 2 years ago 9
BAD WORK.
FERBYE 2 years ago 3