Why would someone hold both the flail and the staff at the same time?
Well, to swing with the staff while holing the head; a surprise switch to gain extra reach. That idea follows Mike Loades' demonstration of the two-handed flail, using it like a giant pair of nunchuks.
Die Wag is mentioned by numerous masters, not just Mair, and it is never mentioned as a guard. It is a stance. It has absolutely nothing to do with the position of the weapon/hands, but entirely with the legs/feet.
Excellent point about the history of 'Die Wag' in other sources, but this video is only concerned with the term's use according to Mair. 'Die Wag' is mentioned six times in Mair's various pole weapons. Five of these instances reference the weapon being held vertically on the ground. The one odd page out is not even technically concerning pole weapons, because the text says to drop one's staff and wrestle the opponent in Die Wag.
I will list the page references for you and what plate they are in Hunt's 'Polearms of PHM' >> Poleax 16 [10826, 156v. C94, 171v] .. Text says to hold vertical on ground. >> Staff 15 [10825 161r, C93 190r] .. Two separate references to Scales; different feet, same vertical weapon. >> Staff 18 [10825 162v, C93 191v] .. Drops staff and wrestles in Wag. >> Flail 4.. Weapon illustrated vertical after being struck. >> Flail 7.. Text says to hold vertical on ground.
Brian Hunt is a good friend of mine and I'm sure he appreciates his work being used and cited widely. It is good to see in the WMA society.
One could interpreted Die Wag in Mair as a guard, but taken in the context of the term in its wider use among all the masters, I think it would be incongruous for Mair to throw ambiguity into the teaching of this craft.
The masters were teaching the same craft and built off one another. So, I'd suggest a more holistic approach to interpretation.
That's awesome to hear that you know Brian. He seems like a great guy judging by the few PM's we sent each other concerning his Flail translation. * I know exactly what you mean about Die Wag being used in a different way by Mair in all other aspects of his combat forms. But I guess that's my point. Mair's polearms ARE incongruous to the rest of his own method. Also, it is a consistent incongruity found all the way through his pole section. To me, it begins to warrant a closer examination.
Very interesting! Thanks for uploading
Piatasify 6 months ago
Holy inappropriate music choice Batman!
frostek 1 year ago
Why would someone hold both the flail and the staff at the same time?
Well, to swing with the staff while holing the head; a surprise switch to gain extra reach. That idea follows Mike Loades' demonstration of the two-handed flail, using it like a giant pair of nunchuks.
JCLeSinge 1 year ago
Great tune what is it please?
resonance10 1 year ago
DJ Spooky Vs the Dub Pistols Peace in Zaire Mix [Dub Pistols Inna NYC]
By: DJ Spooky
Djemps 1 year ago
Thanks very much!
resonance10 1 year ago
wow, didnt think something like this exists....and espacially not in Germany. Thanks for broading my horizon^^
and good job to your work
Kadamir 2 years ago
Thank you!
Djemps 1 year ago
"hoch" is the german word for "high" ;)
FreestyleManGuru 2 years ago
Die Wag is mentioned by numerous masters, not just Mair, and it is never mentioned as a guard. It is a stance. It has absolutely nothing to do with the position of the weapon/hands, but entirely with the legs/feet.
decoy256 3 years ago
Excellent point about the history of 'Die Wag' in other sources, but this video is only concerned with the term's use according to Mair. 'Die Wag' is mentioned six times in Mair's various pole weapons. Five of these instances reference the weapon being held vertically on the ground. The one odd page out is not even technically concerning pole weapons, because the text says to drop one's staff and wrestle the opponent in Die Wag.
Djemps 3 years ago
I will list the page references for you and what plate they are in Hunt's 'Polearms of PHM' >> Poleax 16 [10826, 156v. C94, 171v] .. Text says to hold vertical on ground. >> Staff 15 [10825 161r, C93 190r] .. Two separate references to Scales; different feet, same vertical weapon. >> Staff 18 [10825 162v, C93 191v] .. Drops staff and wrestles in Wag. >> Flail 4.. Weapon illustrated vertical after being struck. >> Flail 7.. Text says to hold vertical on ground.
Djemps 3 years ago
Brian Hunt is a good friend of mine and I'm sure he appreciates his work being used and cited widely. It is good to see in the WMA society.
One could interpreted Die Wag in Mair as a guard, but taken in the context of the term in its wider use among all the masters, I think it would be incongruous for Mair to throw ambiguity into the teaching of this craft.
The masters were teaching the same craft and built off one another. So, I'd suggest a more holistic approach to interpretation.
decoy256 3 years ago
That's awesome to hear that you know Brian. He seems like a great guy judging by the few PM's we sent each other concerning his Flail translation. * I know exactly what you mean about Die Wag being used in a different way by Mair in all other aspects of his combat forms. But I guess that's my point. Mair's polearms ARE incongruous to the rest of his own method. Also, it is a consistent incongruity found all the way through his pole section. To me, it begins to warrant a closer examination.
Djemps 3 years ago
Nice video man. Is your laptop finally back in business?
smearsmell 3 years ago
Yes! I would have cried if I had lost this whole project. Thank God my friend brought the lappy back to life!
Djemps 3 years ago