Since youtube recently lengthened the time limits for videos, the 14 minute video I created in reply to this video may actually see the light of day. I'll probably re-record it though, and also don't expect it anytime soon as I've got the next three videos planned out already, but making a reply to this is at the very least officially back on list of things I may end up doing.
Wonderful. I look forward to it. As I've grown up a bit, I have realized, however, that I was far too nasty to you in this video. Forgive me for that. When I reply to your video, I will make an effort to be more gracious.
@KabaneTheChristian I sorta got that impression, but it could have been worse. Either way, like a good Christian, I forgive you. :-P And seriously, no matter how much we disagree on the details (and this goes for everyone) never forget that we are on the same side and brothers in Christ.
So are you implying that they are not the same "person" but they ARE the same "God"? Is that the point you were trying to make? So basically you're saying that they are each God AND the same God yet different persons?
Please, I'm not trying to be annoying or anything, but I sincerely don't understand how that helps your case.
When I say "God", I am not using that in the personal sense. I am saying that each divine person possesses all the attributes of deity. At the same time, I am saying that God is one being with three centers of consciousness. That is not logically contradictory, though humans are not used to a being with multiple centers of consciousness.
Yeah, I think I got it. So you're saying it's like one being with three distinct & independent personalities each with their own consciousness and while they aren't necessarily "Gods" in their own right, they do have all the attributes of deity.
Okay, so a proper analogy would be like multi-core processors where each core functions as a single processor but are distinct from being processors in that they operate on the same silicone die.
Kind of. Each divine person may rightly be called and addressed as "God", because each possesses all the attributes of deity, i.e. omniscience, omnipresence, omnibenevolence, etc. The fountain of the Trinity is God the Father. God the Spirit and God the Word both eternally participate in the essence of God the Father, and hence share in all of His attributes and thus worshiped equally.
This is why the Holy Apostle John writes in his first letter that "God is love." (1 John 4:16) God is an eternal communion of love, as each divine person of God has eternally loved the other two. Creation itself was an act of love, in that God's purpose was to extend His communion of love to His creatures. Thus, the goal of the Christian life is participation in the divine energies of God so that one may be united to Him in love.
Oh, and you definition of "Christian" is simply unfounded. The term Christian literally means Christ follower, or to follow Christ. You can't make up your own definitions, and neither can the "Chruch"... Oh, and the bishops also tell us to worship angels, and Mother mary. Hence forth pagan Catholosism.
The Church, as the body of Christ with His ordained authority, see Matt 18.17, has the authority to define Christian. And no they don't. They command veneration of the saints, just as the ancient Jews venerated and prayed to angels and prophets.
@KabaneTheChristian Matt 18:17 does not give a psass for the Church to define anyhting. Can you show in scripture ancient Jewish people praying to prophets and angels?
Hear o israel! the lord our God is one lord, no wait 3, nooo wait 3 in personhood but 1 in being... deuteronomy 6:4 did I get the traslation right???? I am sorry your caught up in a (dead) false religion, but if you want I can show you through scripture the plan of salvation and that there is one single God, in person and essence, the bible is quite clear. Jesus is the name of the father the son and the holy ghost. and he is one person.
Yes. God is One, and within His Omnipresent Spirit (substance) partakes of three distinct persons. God, who is One Being, has three seperate centers of consciousness while man has one center of conscious as each individual beings. Deut. 6:4 proves nothing. "Echad" does not exclusively denote "oneness in person". Scripture denotes oneness variously in different senses.
Genesis 2:24 "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother and shall cleave unto his wife and they shall be ONE flesh (le'vasar echad)."
If Jesus is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit... then you are saying that since the Father bore witness of the Son (John 5:32), Jesus (who you say is the "Father) bore witness of Himself and therefore His testimony is not true (John 5:31) "If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true."
If the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is "one person" and not distinct persons sharing in one divine essence, then you are saying that their testimony ALTOGETHER is not true according to John 5:31, because now you are asserting that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is ONE person and not three seperate persons who can communicate with each other in the singular divine essence that the share... (cont.)
... (Cont.) and thus you are guilty of blaspheming the Godhead (including the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit), and therefore fall under the irremissible sin (Matthew 12:32).
"“But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, He will bear witness about me." (John 15:26)
"If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true." (John 5:31)
Thanks for this video, to me this is an inspired teaching that will go a long way in helping me explain the Holy Trinity to my non-Catholic friends. I wonder if you could do me a favour? I am looking for documents on Martin Luther's reasoning and conceptual framework in trying to destroy the Catholic Church after Jesus Christ himself had said that the gates of hell shall not have dominion over His church.
You don't worship God. You worship a pagan unipersonal false god. God is a Trinity. ROFL, the Apostles could pass it on by virtue of their apostleship. Don't you place emphasis on what the Apostles did?
@KabaneTheChristian The Apostles were Jews correct? Christ himself had a scribe quote She'ma in Matthew correct? Jews understood YHWH as one self existant person. No way around this. Therefore no Son or Holy Spirit needed correct?
Nonsense. The ancient Jews believed in multiple persons of YHWH. Read the pre-Christian "Wisdom of Solomon" for references to Father, Wisdom, and Spirit as separate divine persons. The Shema doesn't establish one person, it establishes one God. Classic Unitarian non-sequitur.
The time of return is not revealed by the coming of Christ the first time as he comes as a servant but is all knowing in the Glory of the Father and in Glory he will come!
For Three will bear witness. The Father, The Word, The Spirit.
It seems when the Three unite as one. Then will be Judgement.
And just where in the Bible does it say that all 3 persons of the Godhead had to be all knowing? Apparently God the Father is the ultimate overseer of all knowledge, so I don't know why Jesus and the Holy Spirit would need equal knowledge for the Trinity to be true.
If you have seen Me you have seen the Father, for I'm in the Father and the Father is in Me. John's Intro 'In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. The same Word became flesh in the person of Jesus Christ (Son of God). The Holy Spirit in Acts 5:3-4 is referred to as God to whom (5:3) Ananias lied. You see Catholics believe that God in His deepest mystery is a Holy Family (Father, Son and Holy Spirit), let's create man in our image after our likeness!!!
I am sorry, but i must say i disagree, yes Jesus is God this is not in question, I just must say they are one plain and simple, not three in one just one simply one...not three distinct persons, one distict person.
This is not heresy it is bible... period there is only one God... every single verse u read to support the trinity say there is one God...One... I am sorry if you feel the need to twist what it says into some 3 in 1 thought but it says they are one plain and simple.
Nobody denies that there is one God. Listen closely....one God....three persons. It's not twisting. I confess the faith of the apostles and you are a manifest heretic, condemned at the ecumenical councils.
So I am a heretic because I see that the bible says that there is but one God? I also understand how the trinity belief came about. And I am not condemned for believing what the bible says. sorry
I also want to add that I take my judgment from God not some concil of men ty. aswell as I have not labeled you condemned or a heretic because you choose to believe something that doesnt make sense, or that is biblical i might add. The whole church (which would be the UPCI) i grew up with teaches that. are you gonna condemn them to?
First to clarify I am not in heresy neither is my church. Inspired? many ppl say they are inspired that theyve seen angels and what not, i dont believe them so why should I believe any of your leaders, especially when you just reresent them as judgemental and selfrigheous. One question to you, How am I in heresy when I take the bible at its word?
Yes. You are. You teach and believe the false doctrines of patripassionism and unipersonalism. These were defined as heresies very early in church history. The Church is the pillar of truth - not the Bible (1 Tim 3:15). The Bible is a witness to the Holy Tradition of the Church. Aww, judgmental? I have no qualms about calling heresy when it is preached. You can whine with your modernist mouth about "tolerance", but I care about truth, not tolerance.
Funny I could say the same thing. I care about truth the bible is the word of God and the truth. I will not put my trust and faith in any man. I will only put it in God and his word.
First. The Church decided what is and what is not in the Bible. Council of Carthage. The SAME CHURCH that condemned your view as heretical.
Second. You have no biblical ground. You simply start with the assumption that one God means one person and move from there, an utterly stupid assumption.
Duly noted that you failed to respond to my point about scripture.
It's not an assumption. Jesus is God. The Father is God. the Spirit is God. There is one God. These three are not the same person. If you bothered to read the description box, I have scripture references for all seven points of trinitarianism.
I read the disciption and all those verses say there is one God. I nvr read in them or anywhere else for that matter, it saying there was three... OR one God but three persons. I just says there is ond God. IDk if u have kids but lets go with it anyway. So ur a human being. Ur a father and you are a son. Now ur only one human. but are u three persons for each title or role? and based on the fact we are made in his image u can certainly use this example.
Yeah, there is one God. Then those verses also prove that Jesus is God, the Father is God, the Spirit is God, and the kicker is that there is a passage up there which proves that they are different persons.
those verses and the "kicker" all say there is one God. None of them say there is 3 in 1. the bible is not hard to understand, it is clear if it was that way it would say it.
YES THERE IS ONE GOD. I AM NOT DENYING THAT. FOR HEAVENS SAKE LEARN TO READ WHAT I AM SAYING. THOSE PASSAGES SPECIFICALLY PROVE THAT THE FATHER SON AND SPIRIT ARE SEPARATe,
I read everything you write but it makes no sense. Theres one God no theres three, no theres 1 but 3 persons within 1 godhead...Its like ur beliefs shows a God with split personality disorder. those passages do not prove that. I have read them all, and heard both sides to this. The trinitarian belief makes no sense and alot of trinitarians say they dont understand it either.
(Colossians 2:9) For in him dwelleth ALL the fulness of the Godhead bodily." if u believe the trinity then u deny this verse as, because you say jesus was just the son and thus the other two were off doing something else, thus the fulness wasnt in him.
HAHAH this is the same verse I dealt with on NephilimFree. The Greek here is theotes, which is translated "deity". The word "Godhead" in the 1600s (when the KJV was translated) did not imply the whole Trinity as it does today. That is why modern translations translate it as deity. Try again, heretic.
Oh bud I didn't twist anything. You see, I recognized that the NT was not written in English, so I went to the Greek and proved you wrong. Try again, heretic.
Just remember I am a heretic to a false religion so I dont mind being called one. i will list verses that support the oneness of God. U can go look them up. exodus 20:3 deuteronomy 4: 35, 39, 6:4, 32:39, isiah 42:8, 43:10-11 44:6,8 45:5-6 , 18, 21-22 46:5,9 jeremiah 16:20 malachi 2:10 mark 12:29 "one Lord" 1cor. 8:4-6 ephesian 4:5-6 philippians 3:20 1tim 2:5 james 2:19 1john 5:7 john 10:30 14:8-10 If they were 3 seperate persons why is the father in the son?
Wow that makes perfectly no sense he is one in essence with the father.. and the perfect image of the father but not quite the father...first u miss quote it. "but of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not even the angels of heaven but my father only." since he already has said that when u look at him u see the father and that they are one, he knows because he is the father, even if ur trinitarian u say they are one so one would kno what the other knows seriously...
Wow, so Jesus DID know the date of his Return? Even though he says he DID NOT in Matthew 24? It makes perfect sense to trinitarians in light of the kenotic passage of Philippians 2...how do Sabellians like you get around it? Jesus is the perfect image of the Father, already explained this...Phil. 2 says that Jesus is the IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD. Scripture often interprets scripture. Try to apply that principle for once.
When Jesus prays to his Father, is he talking to Himself? No. These scriptures make perfect sense in trinitarian theology. They make no sense in Sabellian theology. The Council of Nicaea infallibly defined the doctrine of the Trinity.
Dude alot of what jesus did was to teach us how to do things, in this instances he was teaching us to give everything to him all our worrys and cares. Jesus was all man and all flesh, basicly Just like us but he soul was God in a sense. So he had all the fears and problems we had but he over came them, and since he was God he knew what he was going to go thru and so he was giving his problems to God.
I know about the dual natures and dual wills of Christ...I know about the incarnation lol. So what in the world was Jesus doing when he asked the Father to take this cup from Him? That makes NO SENSE in your theology.
He wasn't teaching at that point. He did that when He taught the Lord's prayer. He was personally praying to the Father. Abandon your heresies and come to the unity of the Orthodox Catholic Church.
Well it doesnt say he didnt it said only the father knows, so based on the fact they are one, or in ur twisted view one in essence but seperate in person, would the father keep somthing from himself or his equal counterpart, so whats ur theory then one day the fathers going to say or son i kno i didnt tell u wen u were going even tho we are one but seperate, its time to go after our ppl! no i agree with u it makes perfect sense! I am converted!
Dude...he said NOR THE SON. NOR THE SON. NOR THE SON. Try to read it. No dumb drum, don't you know what kenosis is? Guess not. Jesus gave up the free use of some divine attributes at the incarnation...see Philippians 2.
Mathew 24:36 "but of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my father only." Word for word begining to end that verse in KJV So if they are one but seperate in personhood, the father knows things the son doesnt, and the spirt knows other things they all keep things from one another, and the day the the son returns is a surprise to him?
So you're denying the scriptures? Read what it says in Mark 13. He had no reason to use his divine attribute at that point. It wasn't a "hiding" like Jesus was actively searching it out. Jesus WILLINGLY divested himself of the free use of some divine attributes.
hmm makes complete sense. So recap, jesus was all God all man. But he didnt know everything that God knows, because he is a seperate person himself. So when he says that him and his father are one that doesnt mean that he knows what the father knows, well not untill he goes back up to heaven... ur right makes comeplete sense andthe bible totaly backs this up!...
Let's saturate you with scripture. Jesus was fully God (Col. 2:9) and fully man (1 Tim 2:5). He didn't know when he would return (Mark 13:32) because at the incarnation he willingly divested himself of the free use of some divine attributes. (Phil. 2:6-9) He is one in essence with the Father (John 10:30), but separate in personhood (Matt 3:15-17).
No response to any of my scriptural arguments? It was to be expected. I hope that one day you will emerge from the darkness of your heresy into the light of Orthodoxy.
El amor de dios junta los cetros con los cayados; la grandeza con la bajeza, hace posible lo imposible; iguala diferentes estados y viene a ser poderoso como la muerte.
Looking at the pictures, I notice that most of the saints have a particular hand position. The thumb and ring finger are touching with the rest up. Is there a reason for this?
I know that some state three fingers together for the three persons of the Trinity and the other two fingers together for the two natures of Christ. Now whether this was genuine or something made up later because it sounded good is anyone's guess.
I didn't say they were akin. This was a response to the question about the positioning of the fingers. I can give you links to Orthodox sites that contain it if you like.
Attention, I have just deleted and blocked a few atheists who were spamming my video with an absurd reading of the rich man parable, and deleted comments relating to them.
I just don't see the idea in Scripture, and I don't believe anyone has presented the idea based on Biblical texts, to throw around words like 'heresy' for an idea which in all honesty looks more Biblical then the C V approach, I find problematic. "
"He was wounded for your transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities, upon him was the chastisement that made us whole, and by his stripes we are healed...stricken for the transgression of my people...he bore the sin of many" Isa 53:5, 8, 12...if it is heresy, then it is a heresy taught by the Holy Spirit...I think this is clear...and the later C V approach seems to explain it away in more palatable terms...
Of course you've loaded that with Protestant baggage. Orthodox don't deny that he was pierced for our transgressions, but we DO deny that this was God being satisfied.
"Of course you've loaded that with Protestant baggage."-I was a Jew before I became a Christian, and that statement is akin to name calling, can you give me a Scriptural example?
Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
why do still have possessions kabane, do you not want to be perfect in the eyes of your lord?
This passage was just read in liturgy yesterday. Have you read the whole thing or are you just picking this line off some atheist website? The problem is that the man puts his riches above Christ. Jesus knew that, and so he asked him that question, exposing his mindset.
Equivocation. Falsification by means of the deliberate usage of vague and ambiguous language. What exactly does the word "essence" mean? Please, Stop using fallacious logic in order to prove your erroneous trinity. People don't have to believe in your god KabaneTheChristian. We'll do as they please.
"Essence" refers to God's "Godness". We don't know what it is, because God's essence is unknowable and utterly transcendent. Whatever makes God, God, as distinct from any created thing subject to time and space, is His essence.
It's just a way of saying don't worship false gods. That's how the Jews read it in all their commentaries on the scriptures, that's how the Christians read it.
Ah, I understand that part. It just seems weird that God himself would even dignify earthly idols by referring to them as Gods. They might as well be trash compared to him. But I get you.
I can't believe that we actually have to explain this to you. A first grader would be able to understand that the command "you shall have no other gods (elohiym) before me" does not mean there are other Divine beings of equal caliber with the God of Israel. It simply means that you mustn't exalt anything as the supreme God if it is not the supreme God. I could consider an angel "god" but that doesn't mean the angel is God. Elohiym is used often to denote false gods, such as in Isaiah 37:19.
I must respectfully disagree. It really does seem like god aknowlages that there are other gods that people worship however he does not say that these gods are the invention of human mind or that they are false. It's only says that he is the number one god and there shouldn't be others.
So don't we really have two interpertations here? one agrees with word for word what the commandment says and one that makes additional leap and interperts the commandment?
That's because we recognize that Exodus 20 is not the only revelation we have, and that monotheism is attested all throughout scripture. While, read alone, one could conceivably choose to read it in a henotheistic light, read with the rest of the Torah, and with the scriptures as a whole, such an interpretation is absurd.
Many scholars say there was an element of henotheism in early Judaism. However, that is a product of the culture, as monotheism was a brand new concept.
God revealed himself first as the primary God of gods, and by the end of the Babylonian captivity, Judaism was fully monotheistic.
God constantly condescends Himself for our benefit. Mankind could not have handled the idea of a Trinity at that time. We can hardly handle it today. Imagine what the idea of monotheism was like to them!
"the church" only church teaching this is a false religion period. IDC if u dont think i can refute it i follow what the bible says not a man or group of men say. but u go follow a group of men put ur faith in them.
no i am not ignoring scripture.. i am ignoring ur view on what they say because heres the thing idc what u twist them into saying i care about what they actually say (not what some group of men say they say, i cant think and read them for myself.. try it out somtime), every verse uve used i looked up... u ignored all the scripture i posted and just said oh we believe in one God, when obviously they go into more detail then that but u ignore them of course.
Yes you are. You didn't respond to my specific cites. Give me the verses that contradict Trinitarianism. I already took you out on the passage about the Father being in the Son.
look thru our comments i gave i list of them go thru them and study them, and ask God to talk to u thru them, dont worry about what some group of men say. Ask God for direction.
I've been through all those verses. Give me three at a time that you want me to reply to specifically. You can't do exegesis by warm fuzzy feelings that you feel in your chest and assuming that's the Spirit. Give me the verses.
HA! when was the last time u actually talked to God? without asking ur priest to bless u and forgive u since he has that power... and did u forget to go to peter first? cuz he totally care about u and ur problems!! u dont even know God.. so dont try to tell me he isnt on my side...
The last time was today. I pray to the Father, Son, and Spirit, and then I ask for the intercession of the saints. I'm not chrismated yet, so I have not gone to confession as of now. Don't make assumptions.
i was replying to easterncatholic101, but still i go stright to God, and dont bother with tryin to talk to the saints, and cofession to a priest is silly they have no power to fogive at all... lol... but wait on another note, who did u pray to which one? and since he is a jelous God did he get upset that u talked to him son instead, well thats assuming u talked to his son and not him, well then the son would get upset that u prayer to his father instead...
Do you ask your fellow Christians to pray for you? The saints are my fellow Christians, alive in Christ, so I ask them to pray for me. Christ gives the apostles power to forgive sins in John 20:23, and the apostles passed their authority onto the bishops, who authorize the priests with their authority in their parish. Uh are you serious? They wouldn't be jealous at all because they are one in essence, one God.
only jesus has th power to fogive sins period... like u said they are one in essence but not in personhood so why wouldnt one peron be mad that ur pray to another specificly.. and if ur not praying to one specificly how would that even work..
Just saying "period" doesn't work. The bishops authority to declare absolution derives from Christ, because Christ authorized the apostles to forgive sins, and they passed their authority onto the bishops, who authorize the priests. You can't get passed scripture.
(John 20:23) If you forgive the sins of anyone, they are forgiven; if you withhold forgiveness from anyone, it is withheld."
Clear as crystal.
Because they are all equally God so there is no jealousy.
sigh more of that twisting it... thats not even how the verse reads lol....they may be all equally God but they are separate persons.. well in ur view of twisting around verses and changing things as the conversation changes
Twisting it? That is a DIRECT QUOTE from scripture. Christ told them that they had the power to pronounce absolution. Who cares if they are separate persons? It says that He is a jealous God in that he gets jealous if you worship other gods.
dude my salvation is between me and God there is no man that can change that no man that can forgive me or unforgive me. God is my savior he forgives no man forgives. and that is not how the verse reads at all, im reading it atm.. lets go on ur twisted view for a sec, and say he did give them that power, what gave them the right to pass it on?
I'll give you some advice since you feel you got it together when you read the Holy Bible do it with your eyes open, not closed! Drop the Ego its not doing you any favours.
The Holy Orthodox Church is factually a 2000yrs old and is the True Apostolic Church! Thats where the Bible came from and in the Bible it clearly says.
The Church is the Pillar of Truth!
The Church is united in the Apostolic Truth!
Not one mans opinion of it, isnt that how your gathering started? One man!
God according to the rest of the Bible is the greatest being that there is, the "I AM" and the alpha and omega. "god" is not the same thing as "God". I can make my toaster a "god" if I worship it, but my toaster would not become the supreme ruler of the universe. There is really no reason to mention that these "gods" are not equal to God, as it is mentioned throughout the rest of the Bible, and the verse can be interpreted in light of the rest of the book.
i mean it like saying 'haha yea i know there were thousands of other religions that pretty much had the same supernatural events before and after christianity but theirs is the only one that really happened, it's just coincidence every culture in history has had stories with the same type of insane stuff.'
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retrogamerist 4 months ago
Since youtube recently lengthened the time limits for videos, the 14 minute video I created in reply to this video may actually see the light of day. I'll probably re-record it though, and also don't expect it anytime soon as I've got the next three videos planned out already, but making a reply to this is at the very least officially back on list of things I may end up doing.
5thWatcher 7 months ago
@5thWatcher
Wonderful. I look forward to it. As I've grown up a bit, I have realized, however, that I was far too nasty to you in this video. Forgive me for that. When I reply to your video, I will make an effort to be more gracious.
KabaneTheChristian 7 months ago
@KabaneTheChristian I sorta got that impression, but it could have been worse. Either way, like a good Christian, I forgive you. :-P And seriously, no matter how much we disagree on the details (and this goes for everyone) never forget that we are on the same side and brothers in Christ.
5thWatcher 7 months ago
The 5thwatcher was actually fun to listen to. Best apolojoker.
Seraphim had absolutely no problems to nuke him away.
BringBackMy9Os 8 months ago
Amazing Video!
BringBackMy9Os 8 months ago
I think you totally owned 5thwatcher. Good job.
MaharlikaAWA 10 months ago
A = X B = X C=X
A ≠ B ≠ C
X = 1
penn919 1 year ago
I'm throughly amazed. Take a glance at these statements:
1. "Jesus is God, The Father is God, and The spirit is God"
2. "The father, son, and spirit are not the same person"
3. "There is one God"
Honestly, how can you people believe this stuff!?
penn919 1 year ago
@penn919
If one acknowledges that "person" and "God" are not synonymous, then there is nothing contradictory in those statements.
KabaneTheChristian 1 year ago
@KabaneTheChristian
So are you implying that they are not the same "person" but they ARE the same "God"? Is that the point you were trying to make? So basically you're saying that they are each God AND the same God yet different persons?
Please, I'm not trying to be annoying or anything, but I sincerely don't understand how that helps your case.
Please Explain.
penn919 1 year ago
@penn919
When I say "God", I am not using that in the personal sense. I am saying that each divine person possesses all the attributes of deity. At the same time, I am saying that God is one being with three centers of consciousness. That is not logically contradictory, though humans are not used to a being with multiple centers of consciousness.
KabaneTheChristian 10 months ago
@KabaneTheChristian
Yeah, I think I got it. So you're saying it's like one being with three distinct & independent personalities each with their own consciousness and while they aren't necessarily "Gods" in their own right, they do have all the attributes of deity.
Okay, so a proper analogy would be like multi-core processors where each core functions as a single processor but are distinct from being processors in that they operate on the same silicone die.
Did I get that right?
penn919 10 months ago
@penn919
Kind of. Each divine person may rightly be called and addressed as "God", because each possesses all the attributes of deity, i.e. omniscience, omnipresence, omnibenevolence, etc. The fountain of the Trinity is God the Father. God the Spirit and God the Word both eternally participate in the essence of God the Father, and hence share in all of His attributes and thus worshiped equally.
KabaneTheChristian 10 months ago
@penn919
This is why the Holy Apostle John writes in his first letter that "God is love." (1 John 4:16) God is an eternal communion of love, as each divine person of God has eternally loved the other two. Creation itself was an act of love, in that God's purpose was to extend His communion of love to His creatures. Thus, the goal of the Christian life is participation in the divine energies of God so that one may be united to Him in love.
KabaneTheChristian 10 months ago
Oh, and you definition of "Christian" is simply unfounded. The term Christian literally means Christ follower, or to follow Christ. You can't make up your own definitions, and neither can the "Chruch"... Oh, and the bishops also tell us to worship angels, and Mother mary. Hence forth pagan Catholosism.
halfie25 1 year ago
@halfie25
The Church, as the body of Christ with His ordained authority, see Matt 18.17, has the authority to define Christian. And no they don't. They command veneration of the saints, just as the ancient Jews venerated and prayed to angels and prophets.
KabaneTheChristian 1 year ago
@KabaneTheChristian Matt 18:17 does not give a psass for the Church to define anyhting. Can you show in scripture ancient Jewish people praying to prophets and angels?
halfie25 1 year ago
7 versus out of the whole Bible prove your case? Good try though.
halfie25 1 year ago
Hear o israel! the lord our God is one lord, no wait 3, nooo wait 3 in personhood but 1 in being... deuteronomy 6:4 did I get the traslation right???? I am sorry your caught up in a (dead) false religion, but if you want I can show you through scripture the plan of salvation and that there is one single God, in person and essence, the bible is quite clear. Jesus is the name of the father the son and the holy ghost. and he is one person.
Brownster88 1 year ago
@Brownster88
Yes. God is One, and within His Omnipresent Spirit (substance) partakes of three distinct persons. God, who is One Being, has three seperate centers of consciousness while man has one center of conscious as each individual beings. Deut. 6:4 proves nothing. "Echad" does not exclusively denote "oneness in person". Scripture denotes oneness variously in different senses.
HeresyCrusher 1 year ago
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Genesis 2:24 "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother and shall cleave unto his wife and they shall be ONE flesh (le'vasar echad)."
If Jesus is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit... then you are saying that since the Father bore witness of the Son (John 5:32), Jesus (who you say is the "Father) bore witness of Himself and therefore His testimony is not true (John 5:31) "If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true."
HeresyCrusher 1 year ago
If the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is "one person" and not distinct persons sharing in one divine essence, then you are saying that their testimony ALTOGETHER is not true according to John 5:31, because now you are asserting that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is ONE person and not three seperate persons who can communicate with each other in the singular divine essence that the share... (cont.)
HeresyCrusher 1 year ago
... (Cont.) and thus you are guilty of blaspheming the Godhead (including the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit), and therefore fall under the irremissible sin (Matthew 12:32).
"“But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, He will bear witness about me." (John 15:26)
"If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true." (John 5:31)
HeresyCrusher 1 year ago
Thanks for this video, to me this is an inspired teaching that will go a long way in helping me explain the Holy Trinity to my non-Catholic friends. I wonder if you could do me a favour? I am looking for documents on Martin Luther's reasoning and conceptual framework in trying to destroy the Catholic Church after Jesus Christ himself had said that the gates of hell shall not have dominion over His church.
MuZimbo044 1 year ago
16:08 not Catholic that word does not exist them ?
VyckRo 1 year ago
Trinity = Genesis 18:1 - 18:3
9.18 Catholic church?
atheists see the concile as som kind of negotiation! LOL
VyckRo 1 year ago
The Trinity is false in two steps!
1. God is all-knowing:
Great is our Lord and abundant in strength;His understanding is infinite. - Psalm 147:5
2. Neither Jesus nor the Holy Spirit are all-knowing:
But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. - Mark 13:32
bandaidmafia 2 years ago
You don't worship God. You worship a pagan unipersonal false god. God is a Trinity. ROFL, the Apostles could pass it on by virtue of their apostleship. Don't you place emphasis on what the Apostles did?
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
@KabaneTheChristian The Apostles were Jews correct? Christ himself had a scribe quote She'ma in Matthew correct? Jews understood YHWH as one self existant person. No way around this. Therefore no Son or Holy Spirit needed correct?
halfie25 1 year ago
@halfie25
Nonsense. The ancient Jews believed in multiple persons of YHWH. Read the pre-Christian "Wisdom of Solomon" for references to Father, Wisdom, and Spirit as separate divine persons. The Shema doesn't establish one person, it establishes one God. Classic Unitarian non-sequitur.
KabaneTheChristian 1 year ago
The time of return is not revealed by the coming of Christ the first time as he comes as a servant but is all knowing in the Glory of the Father and in Glory he will come!
For Three will bear witness. The Father, The Word, The Spirit.
It seems when the Three unite as one. Then will be Judgement.
Greentipman 2 years ago
Its also clear that the Word of God and the Spirit of God, is God. Not gods!
For they both come from the ONE GOD, The Father! Trinity is a laymans way of explaining that God is not divided and he is Worshiped in his fullness!
Greentipman 2 years ago
And just where in the Bible does it say that all 3 persons of the Godhead had to be all knowing? Apparently God the Father is the ultimate overseer of all knowledge, so I don't know why Jesus and the Holy Spirit would need equal knowledge for the Trinity to be true.
Rawk4Life 1 year ago
If you have seen Me you have seen the Father, for I'm in the Father and the Father is in Me. John's Intro 'In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. The same Word became flesh in the person of Jesus Christ (Son of God). The Holy Spirit in Acts 5:3-4 is referred to as God to whom (5:3) Ananias lied. You see Catholics believe that God in His deepest mystery is a Holy Family (Father, Son and Holy Spirit), let's create man in our image after our likeness!!!
MuZimbo044 1 year ago
I can't believe this is up for debate to them.
AbdielAbiram 2 years ago
Good stuff Kabane, keep up the goo0d work!!
samsterlok 2 years ago
I am sorry, but i must say i disagree, yes Jesus is God this is not in question, I just must say they are one plain and simple, not three in one just one simply one...not three distinct persons, one distict person.
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
That's heresy. Jesus is one person of the Trinity, not the entire Trinity incarnate.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
This is not heresy it is bible... period there is only one God... every single verse u read to support the trinity say there is one God...One... I am sorry if you feel the need to twist what it says into some 3 in 1 thought but it says they are one plain and simple.
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
Nobody denies that there is one God. Listen closely....one God....three persons. It's not twisting. I confess the faith of the apostles and you are a manifest heretic, condemned at the ecumenical councils.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
So I am a heretic because I see that the bible says that there is but one God? I also understand how the trinity belief came about. And I am not condemned for believing what the bible says. sorry
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
I also want to add that I take my judgment from God not some concil of men ty. aswell as I have not labeled you condemned or a heretic because you choose to believe something that doesnt make sense, or that is biblical i might add. The whole church (which would be the UPCI) i grew up with teaches that. are you gonna condemn them to?
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
I don't care if you haven't chosen to label me a heretic. You are a heretic, you teach patripassionism, and your church is in heresy.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
Um, yes, there is one God. That doesn't mean one person. The Councils of the Holy Church are inspired.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
First to clarify I am not in heresy neither is my church. Inspired? many ppl say they are inspired that theyve seen angels and what not, i dont believe them so why should I believe any of your leaders, especially when you just reresent them as judgemental and selfrigheous. One question to you, How am I in heresy when I take the bible at its word?
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
Yes. You are. You teach and believe the false doctrines of patripassionism and unipersonalism. These were defined as heresies very early in church history. The Church is the pillar of truth - not the Bible (1 Tim 3:15). The Bible is a witness to the Holy Tradition of the Church. Aww, judgmental? I have no qualms about calling heresy when it is preached. You can whine with your modernist mouth about "tolerance", but I care about truth, not tolerance.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
Funny I could say the same thing. I care about truth the bible is the word of God and the truth. I will not put my trust and faith in any man. I will only put it in God and his word.
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
First. The Church decided what is and what is not in the Bible. Council of Carthage. The SAME CHURCH that condemned your view as heretical.
Second. You have no biblical ground. You simply start with the assumption that one God means one person and move from there, an utterly stupid assumption.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
Assuming that there is one God but three persons is and utterly stupid assumption.
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
Duly noted that you failed to respond to my point about scripture.
It's not an assumption. Jesus is God. The Father is God. the Spirit is God. There is one God. These three are not the same person. If you bothered to read the description box, I have scripture references for all seven points of trinitarianism.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
I read the disciption and all those verses say there is one God. I nvr read in them or anywhere else for that matter, it saying there was three... OR one God but three persons. I just says there is ond God. IDk if u have kids but lets go with it anyway. So ur a human being. Ur a father and you are a son. Now ur only one human. but are u three persons for each title or role? and based on the fact we are made in his image u can certainly use this example.
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
Yeah, there is one God. Then those verses also prove that Jesus is God, the Father is God, the Spirit is God, and the kicker is that there is a passage up there which proves that they are different persons.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
those verses and the "kicker" all say there is one God. None of them say there is 3 in 1. the bible is not hard to understand, it is clear if it was that way it would say it.
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
YES THERE IS ONE GOD. I AM NOT DENYING THAT. FOR HEAVENS SAKE LEARN TO READ WHAT I AM SAYING. THOSE PASSAGES SPECIFICALLY PROVE THAT THE FATHER SON AND SPIRIT ARE SEPARATe,
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
I read everything you write but it makes no sense. Theres one God no theres three, no theres 1 but 3 persons within 1 godhead...Its like ur beliefs shows a God with split personality disorder. those passages do not prove that. I have read them all, and heard both sides to this. The trinitarian belief makes no sense and alot of trinitarians say they dont understand it either.
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
I NEVER said there were three gods. ROFL. Okay, try to get this through your thick head. Jesus is the personification of divine wisdom.
tektonics(.)org/jesusclaims/trinitydefense.html
READ IT.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
(Colossians 2:9) For in him dwelleth ALL the fulness of the Godhead bodily." if u believe the trinity then u deny this verse as, because you say jesus was just the son and thus the other two were off doing something else, thus the fulness wasnt in him.
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
HAHAH this is the same verse I dealt with on NephilimFree. The Greek here is theotes, which is translated "deity". The word "Godhead" in the 1600s (when the KJV was translated) did not imply the whole Trinity as it does today. That is why modern translations translate it as deity. Try again, heretic.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
Did your councils that twist and distort doctrine and the word of God teach you this?
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
No, simply looking up the word in a Greek lexicon will teach you this. Try again, heretic.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
I am ok with being considered a heretic by a false religion.
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
Can't defend your position? The only verse you had failed to prove your position. Do you have any verses which prove your position?
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
LOL whats the point to defend it anyway, you twist the verse into somthing they are not instead of taking them at their word.
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
Oh bud I didn't twist anything. You see, I recognized that the NT was not written in English, so I went to the Greek and proved you wrong. Try again, heretic.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
Just remember I am a heretic to a false religion so I dont mind being called one. i will list verses that support the oneness of God. U can go look them up. exodus 20:3 deuteronomy 4: 35, 39, 6:4, 32:39, isiah 42:8, 43:10-11 44:6,8 45:5-6 , 18, 21-22 46:5,9 jeremiah 16:20 malachi 2:10 mark 12:29 "one Lord" 1cor. 8:4-6 ephesian 4:5-6 philippians 3:20 1tim 2:5 james 2:19 1john 5:7 john 10:30 14:8-10 If they were 3 seperate persons why is the father in the son?
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
Trinitarians believe in one God, dumb drum! The Son is one in essence with the Father, and Jesus is the perfect image of the invisible Father.
(Matthew 24:36) "But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.
If Jesus is the Father, then how does that verse get explained? Hm?
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
Wow that makes perfectly no sense he is one in essence with the father.. and the perfect image of the father but not quite the father...first u miss quote it. "but of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not even the angels of heaven but my father only." since he already has said that when u look at him u see the father and that they are one, he knows because he is the father, even if ur trinitarian u say they are one so one would kno what the other knows seriously...
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
Wow, so Jesus DID know the date of his Return? Even though he says he DID NOT in Matthew 24? It makes perfect sense to trinitarians in light of the kenotic passage of Philippians 2...how do Sabellians like you get around it? Jesus is the perfect image of the Father, already explained this...Phil. 2 says that Jesus is the IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD. Scripture often interprets scripture. Try to apply that principle for once.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
When Jesus prays to his Father, is he talking to Himself? No. These scriptures make perfect sense in trinitarian theology. They make no sense in Sabellian theology. The Council of Nicaea infallibly defined the doctrine of the Trinity.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
Dude alot of what jesus did was to teach us how to do things, in this instances he was teaching us to give everything to him all our worrys and cares. Jesus was all man and all flesh, basicly Just like us but he soul was God in a sense. So he had all the fears and problems we had but he over came them, and since he was God he knew what he was going to go thru and so he was giving his problems to God.
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
I know about the dual natures and dual wills of Christ...I know about the incarnation lol. So what in the world was Jesus doing when he asked the Father to take this cup from Him? That makes NO SENSE in your theology.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
yes it does. being that he was flesh all man to, he was scared and he was teaching us to go to God with our problems its not confusing
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
He wasn't teaching at that point. He did that when He taught the Lord's prayer. He was personally praying to the Father. Abandon your heresies and come to the unity of the Orthodox Catholic Church.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
what u ask me to do is abandon the truth, and put my faith in men. Aswell as ask mary to pray for me to.
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
You mean the Church which convoked the ecumenical councils? The BODY OF CHRIST?
What's wrong with asking Mary for prayer?
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
Well it doesnt say he didnt it said only the father knows, so based on the fact they are one, or in ur twisted view one in essence but seperate in person, would the father keep somthing from himself or his equal counterpart, so whats ur theory then one day the fathers going to say or son i kno i didnt tell u wen u were going even tho we are one but seperate, its time to go after our ppl! no i agree with u it makes perfect sense! I am converted!
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
Dude...he said NOR THE SON. NOR THE SON. NOR THE SON. Try to read it. No dumb drum, don't you know what kenosis is? Guess not. Jesus gave up the free use of some divine attributes at the incarnation...see Philippians 2.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
Mathew 24:36 "but of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my father only." Word for word begining to end that verse in KJV So if they are one but seperate in personhood, the father knows things the son doesnt, and the spirt knows other things they all keep things from one another, and the day the the son returns is a surprise to him?
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
Fine, if you want to use the KJV just go to Mark 13:
(Mark 13:32) But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Did you miss what I said on kenosis?
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
u ignore what i say about how it doesnt make sense that if they are one that one would keep somthing from the other.
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
So you're denying the scriptures? Read what it says in Mark 13. He had no reason to use his divine attribute at that point. It wasn't a "hiding" like Jesus was actively searching it out. Jesus WILLINGLY divested himself of the free use of some divine attributes.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
it one of them happened to be when he would return.... and if he did then he wasnt all God was he if he didnt have all the attributes.
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
Huh? Did Jesus know or did he not know at that time? If he didn't, then you are totally refuted. If he did, then the Bible is wrong. Take your pick.
I said FREE USE of some divine attributes, not the attributes themselves.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
So you say that the son didnt know then, but now does?...
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
Um, yeah, because the kenosis was during his time on Earth.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
hmm makes complete sense. So recap, jesus was all God all man. But he didnt know everything that God knows, because he is a seperate person himself. So when he says that him and his father are one that doesnt mean that he knows what the father knows, well not untill he goes back up to heaven... ur right makes comeplete sense andthe bible totaly backs this up!...
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
Let's saturate you with scripture. Jesus was fully God (Col. 2:9) and fully man (1 Tim 2:5). He didn't know when he would return (Mark 13:32) because at the incarnation he willingly divested himself of the free use of some divine attributes. (Phil. 2:6-9) He is one in essence with the Father (John 10:30), but separate in personhood (Matt 3:15-17).
Scripture, scripture, scripture. Anything else, heretic?
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
nope i soppose not... but remember i dont mind u calling me a heretic because im only called a heretic be a false religion.
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
No response to any of my scriptural arguments? It was to be expected. I hope that one day you will emerge from the darkness of your heresy into the light of Orthodoxy.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
No point in making a response lol
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
also, Jesus did say when you look at me you have seen the father, not the image of the father.
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
Catechism 841....
Does that mean the muslims are going to heaven without the salvation of Christ?
What say's you Kabane?
tbgx1 2 years ago
I say I'm not Roman Catholic. I'm Orthodox.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
No, it does not mean that.
BlackCappa 2 years ago
make moar videos!
TorsoManza 2 years ago
Hola, Que ro ve?
El amor de dios junta los cetros con los cayados; la grandeza con la bajeza, hace posible lo imposible; iguala diferentes estados y viene a ser poderoso como la muerte.
MizzJamieHumphreys 2 years ago
the trinity is such a stupid concept anyway.
cherbine888 2 years ago
ehem, kabane...
Where are the pictures of timothy?
iartim 2 years ago
Is saint Peter giving the shocker?
krzw92 2 years ago
Looking at the pictures, I notice that most of the saints have a particular hand position. The thumb and ring finger are touching with the rest up. Is there a reason for this?
Mahama8686 2 years ago
I know that some state three fingers together for the three persons of the Trinity and the other two fingers together for the two natures of Christ. Now whether this was genuine or something made up later because it sounded good is anyone's guess.
labarum312 2 years ago
No, that is heretical. To say that the natures of Christ is akin to the persons of the trinity is the Nestorian heresy.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
I didn't say they were akin. This was a response to the question about the positioning of the fingers. I can give you links to Orthodox sites that contain it if you like.
labarum312 2 years ago
AH I see, alright, YouTube's retarded commenting system didn't let me see what you were responding to.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
No problem. It's happened to me too...and probably everyone else.
labarum312 2 years ago
Actually just google "fingers + orthodox + trinity + natures"
labarum312 2 years ago
That particular position is making the Greek abbreviation for "Jesus Christ", which is IC XC.
Index = I
Middle = C
Ring and Thumb = X
Pinkie = C
age234 2 years ago
Mr. Tautology
omghai2u 2 years ago
Attention, I have just deleted and blocked a few atheists who were spamming my video with an absurd reading of the rich man parable, and deleted comments relating to them.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
Perhaps they ought to read about the camel passing through the needle's eye to comprehend the actual message.
BlackCappa 2 years ago
I just don't see the idea in Scripture, and I don't believe anyone has presented the idea based on Biblical texts, to throw around words like 'heresy' for an idea which in all honesty looks more Biblical then the C V approach, I find problematic. "
freezingstill 2 years ago
Well that Christ broke the chains of death is Biblical. But I find the rejection of satisfaction to be unbiblical.
BlackCappa 2 years ago
"He was wounded for your transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities, upon him was the chastisement that made us whole, and by his stripes we are healed...stricken for the transgression of my people...he bore the sin of many" Isa 53:5, 8, 12...if it is heresy, then it is a heresy taught by the Holy Spirit...I think this is clear...and the later C V approach seems to explain it away in more palatable terms...
freezingstill 2 years ago
Of course you've loaded that with Protestant baggage. Orthodox don't deny that he was pierced for our transgressions, but we DO deny that this was God being satisfied.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
"Of course you've loaded that with Protestant baggage."-I was a Jew before I became a Christian, and that statement is akin to name calling, can you give me a Scriptural example?
freezingstill 2 years ago
Why then did he "bear the sins of many"?
BlackCappa 2 years ago
matt 19:21
Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
why do still have possessions kabane, do you not want to be perfect in the eyes of your lord?
eqmcstephenhawking 2 years ago
This passage was just read in liturgy yesterday. Have you read the whole thing or are you just picking this line off some atheist website? The problem is that the man puts his riches above Christ. Jesus knew that, and so he asked him that question, exposing his mindset.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
Equivocation. Falsification by means of the deliberate usage of vague and ambiguous language. What exactly does the word "essence" mean? Please, Stop using fallacious logic in order to prove your erroneous trinity. People don't have to believe in your god KabaneTheChristian. We'll do as they please.
MizzJamieHumphreys 2 years ago
"Essence" refers to God's "Godness". We don't know what it is, because God's essence is unknowable and utterly transcendent. Whatever makes God, God, as distinct from any created thing subject to time and space, is His essence.
age234 2 years ago
thank you for this video. i needed it
GoodnessGlaciers 2 years ago
Well Done Kabane, very well put together points. I'll probably use this in the future.
Graffight 2 years ago
In step four, the verse says there is one God. Yet, the first commandment says you will have no other Gods before me.
wut?
rba718 2 years ago
rba, I think that if you use your highly-developed critical thinking skills you just might be able to figure out why that is.
TheAmazingImbecile 2 years ago
So it is said that there is only one God, the God of the bible yet God himself is admitting by that commandment that there are other Gods.
I think you have some explaining to do. =(
rba718 2 years ago
That's ridiculous. He said don't worship anyone else before me. Okay, so don't worship pagan idols? Yeah, and?
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
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rba718 2 years ago
Nope, he specifically mentions 'gods'.
rba718 2 years ago
You've never heard of a false god?
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
Lol, I have Kabane. Yet, why would God refer to something like an idol as another God?
rba718 2 years ago
It's just a way of saying don't worship false gods. That's how the Jews read it in all their commentaries on the scriptures, that's how the Christians read it.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
Ah, I understand that part. It just seems weird that God himself would even dignify earthly idols by referring to them as Gods. They might as well be trash compared to him. But I get you.
rba718 2 years ago
I can't believe that we actually have to explain this to you. A first grader would be able to understand that the command "you shall have no other gods (elohiym) before me" does not mean there are other Divine beings of equal caliber with the God of Israel. It simply means that you mustn't exalt anything as the supreme God if it is not the supreme God. I could consider an angel "god" but that doesn't mean the angel is God. Elohiym is used often to denote false gods, such as in Isaiah 37:19.
TheAmazingImbecile 2 years ago
I can't believe it's not butter.
rba718 2 years ago
I must respectfully disagree. It really does seem like god aknowlages that there are other gods that people worship however he does not say that these gods are the invention of human mind or that they are false. It's only says that he is the number one god and there shouldn't be others.
So don't we really have two interpertations here? one agrees with word for word what the commandment says and one that makes additional leap and interperts the commandment?
DerivedApe 2 years ago
That's because we recognize that Exodus 20 is not the only revelation we have, and that monotheism is attested all throughout scripture. While, read alone, one could conceivably choose to read it in a henotheistic light, read with the rest of the Torah, and with the scriptures as a whole, such an interpretation is absurd.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
I think I could go on argumenting that perhaps this is due to different authorship and hence different views but that would be weak at best.
So I think I have to concede that this is just bullshit argument.
DerivedApe 2 years ago
Many scholars say there was an element of henotheism in early Judaism. However, that is a product of the culture, as monotheism was a brand new concept.
God revealed himself first as the primary God of gods, and by the end of the Babylonian captivity, Judaism was fully monotheistic.
God constantly condescends Himself for our benefit. Mankind could not have handled the idea of a Trinity at that time. We can hardly handle it today. Imagine what the idea of monotheism was like to them!
age234 2 years ago
that makes no sense. He would not reveal himself as something then change it later.
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
He didn't change it, he revealed more. You can only say he changed it if you believed the initial revelation is all there is.
age234 2 years ago
ugh... that makes no sense... just a copout to help explain ur view...
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
It does make sense, you choose not to accept it.
Your answer is the copout because you cannot refute what I said. That has been the Church's teaching since the Apostles.
age234 2 years ago
"the church" only church teaching this is a false religion period. IDC if u dont think i can refute it i follow what the bible says not a man or group of men say. but u go follow a group of men put ur faith in them.
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
I've been quoting scripture this entire time. You are just ignoring scripture.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
no i am not ignoring scripture.. i am ignoring ur view on what they say because heres the thing idc what u twist them into saying i care about what they actually say (not what some group of men say they say, i cant think and read them for myself.. try it out somtime), every verse uve used i looked up... u ignored all the scripture i posted and just said oh we believe in one God, when obviously they go into more detail then that but u ignore them of course.
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
Yes you are. You didn't respond to my specific cites. Give me the verses that contradict Trinitarianism. I already took you out on the passage about the Father being in the Son.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
no u didnt, u "took me out" using only the logic u learned from ur false religon u are so blinded by...
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
I said give me the verses, heretic.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
look thru our comments i gave i list of them go thru them and study them, and ask God to talk to u thru them, dont worry about what some group of men say. Ask God for direction.
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
I've been through all those verses. Give me three at a time that you want me to reply to specifically. You can't do exegesis by warm fuzzy feelings that you feel in your chest and assuming that's the Spirit. Give me the verses.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
false religion, the only false religion is the one you follow you try to use god as if he was on your side turn to the light not some fake light
easterncatholic101 2 years ago
HA! when was the last time u actually talked to God? without asking ur priest to bless u and forgive u since he has that power... and did u forget to go to peter first? cuz he totally care about u and ur problems!! u dont even know God.. so dont try to tell me he isnt on my side...
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
The last time was today. I pray to the Father, Son, and Spirit, and then I ask for the intercession of the saints. I'm not chrismated yet, so I have not gone to confession as of now. Don't make assumptions.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
i was replying to easterncatholic101, but still i go stright to God, and dont bother with tryin to talk to the saints, and cofession to a priest is silly they have no power to fogive at all... lol... but wait on another note, who did u pray to which one? and since he is a jelous God did he get upset that u talked to him son instead, well thats assuming u talked to his son and not him, well then the son would get upset that u prayer to his father instead...
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
Do you ask your fellow Christians to pray for you? The saints are my fellow Christians, alive in Christ, so I ask them to pray for me. Christ gives the apostles power to forgive sins in John 20:23, and the apostles passed their authority onto the bishops, who authorize the priests with their authority in their parish. Uh are you serious? They wouldn't be jealous at all because they are one in essence, one God.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
only jesus has th power to fogive sins period... like u said they are one in essence but not in personhood so why wouldnt one peron be mad that ur pray to another specificly.. and if ur not praying to one specificly how would that even work..
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
Just saying "period" doesn't work. The bishops authority to declare absolution derives from Christ, because Christ authorized the apostles to forgive sins, and they passed their authority onto the bishops, who authorize the priests. You can't get passed scripture.
(John 20:23) If you forgive the sins of anyone, they are forgiven; if you withhold forgiveness from anyone, it is withheld."
Clear as crystal.
Because they are all equally God so there is no jealousy.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
sigh more of that twisting it... thats not even how the verse reads lol....they may be all equally God but they are separate persons.. well in ur view of twisting around verses and changing things as the conversation changes
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
Twisting it? That is a DIRECT QUOTE from scripture. Christ told them that they had the power to pronounce absolution. Who cares if they are separate persons? It says that He is a jealous God in that he gets jealous if you worship other gods.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
dude my salvation is between me and God there is no man that can change that no man that can forgive me or unforgive me. God is my savior he forgives no man forgives. and that is not how the verse reads at all, im reading it atm.. lets go on ur twisted view for a sec, and say he did give them that power, what gave them the right to pass it on?
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
Nijaleaf,
dude my salvation is between me and God. Sure, that doesnt mean your saved!
Greentipman 2 years ago
As far as my salvation is concerned, I tend to follow what the word says for that =) idk what yyour guys are reading but ur not spewing the bible
Nijaleaf 2 years ago
@Nijaleaf
I'll give you some advice since you feel you got it together when you read the Holy Bible do it with your eyes open, not closed! Drop the Ego its not doing you any favours.
The Holy Orthodox Church is factually a 2000yrs old and is the True Apostolic Church! Thats where the Bible came from and in the Bible it clearly says.
The Church is the Pillar of Truth!
The Church is united in the Apostolic Truth!
Not one mans opinion of it, isnt that how your gathering started? One man!
Greentipman 2 years ago
amen to that brother wish i could meet you in person
easterncatholic101 2 years ago
I put my faith in the Holy Spirit, who Jesus gave to that group of men to "guide them in all truth."
age234 2 years ago
God according to the rest of the Bible is the greatest being that there is, the "I AM" and the alpha and omega. "god" is not the same thing as "God". I can make my toaster a "god" if I worship it, but my toaster would not become the supreme ruler of the universe. There is really no reason to mention that these "gods" are not equal to God, as it is mentioned throughout the rest of the Bible, and the verse can be interpreted in light of the rest of the book.
TheAmazingImbecile 2 years ago
see my response to Kabane above.
DerivedApe 2 years ago
i mean it like saying 'haha yea i know there were thousands of other religions that pretty much had the same supernatural events before and after christianity but theirs is the only one that really happened, it's just coincidence every culture in history has had stories with the same type of insane stuff.'
eqmcstephenhawking 2 years ago
hey, doesn't it say in the bible nothing died before adam? how could evolution have happened?
i'm sorry that was a bit off topic but i thought you might know the answer.
eqmcstephenhawking 2 years ago
Very good Kabane. I wanted to make a video response but I am very lazy. God bless.
xchampx 2 years ago
Great response
AbdielAbiram 2 years ago
unitarian christians dont believe in trinity
mannypatel1 2 years ago
Unitarians are heretics.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
Nicely done. I remember seeing that video a while ago and hoping it would get a good response.
Epydemic2020 2 years ago
Oh geez I wish I had been warned about this. I coul