LASIK Flap Disintegrates Upon Lifting for Enhancement

[jnyfried]

yeah, that is PRK surgery, they don't use tweezers to lift the flap when doing regular lasik, nice try though!

[XTrevvion]

lol he's screwed

[robino0821]

Bad things happen. Try researching myocardial infarction at the dentists office. I had LASIK 11 years ago. I still see 20/15 and no issues with the flap. But then again, I had a great doctor who didn't try to push through a marginal candidate.

[sushigoround]

This is PRK, not lasik.

[grenadezeroone]

This isn't lasik... it's PRK, they are removing the flap on purpose. Retarded misinformation.

[JSHIPM4249]

Id do a better job myself! ..Shit... Even my dog would do a better job than this "Doctor"

[lancerwagon]

I had my surgery done 2 weeks ago. Almost perfect sight at day but starburst at night because pre-op I already had large pupil diameters. Do fellow-patients have a solution to this problem, please ? Sincerely yours.

P.S. the images above are real horror, I feel sorry for this patient who must have suffered a lot of pain afterwards. They say: shit happens, but imagine yourself lying right there... I'll treat my eyes with a lot of care... Bye

[stress326]

lazer vision correction ruined my eyes at the age of 31. I can no longer drive at night. My eyes hurt 24/7 because of sever dryness. I now have big black floaters in one eye that drives me crazy. Once things go wrong the doctors turn their backs on you. Fuck them all.

[stress326]

that eye will never be the same. fucking butchers.

[lasikruinedme]

Lasik destroyed my life. Ever since my surgery over one year ago I have had constant eye pain and terrible vision. Don't believe what the lasik docs tell you this procedure is not safe and eveerybody that gets it done has side effects/complications.

[msable26]

he probably completed the procedure , put on a bandage contact lens and the patient is fine. This sirmcgowington knows nothing about eyes. Can you honestly believe that this guy knows how deep the cut was? he says 130 microns thick? impossible to say looking at the video. Even if this wasnt a pure PRK, it will be treated as such and the patient should do fine.

[motodoc8]

This is not a LASIK case. This is a surface ablation case (PRK) in which the outer layer of the cornea is purposefully removed prior to application of the layer. Prior to what you see, the surgeon had used a well filled with ETOh on the outer layer to loosen it for removal, but they may have flushed it too early causing it to take extra effort to remove. LASIK is not for everyone but this is obvious misinformation.

[oldsk00l]

Ok, I'm trying to get my head around this...

Is this before a corneal graft? Corneal transplant? There is no info on this video for what happens to the eye afterward. It's obvious they are into the stromal bed, but why? Was there epithelial ingrowth? Some sort of structural problem with the cornea (ie collapsing)?

This video is sorta just FUD if you don't have more info.

Plus I think it's disingenuous because circumstantially there may be way more factors in play here....

[sirmcgowington]

It's not a PRK proceedure in any way shape or form.

That circular pattern on that patient's cornea is well into the stromal bed and way beneath the epithelium.

The circular pattern was created by a microkeratome or a Hansatome at a depth of about 130 to 160 micrometers about 90 days prior to this attempted retreat!

I should know. I worked with the VISX Excimer laser for 4 years and saw as many as 60 eyes zapped per day.

What you have here is a flipping nightmare.

[torero34]

I think this video is a scam,.Thats a regular PRK prcoedure where the epitelium is removed before the laser applicaiton.

[sirmcgowington]

Look at the eye movements from 7:10 to 8:40! This person is in fear, as they should be.

That doc spent 8:40 destroying that patient's eye.

Even good docs can ruin your God-given eyes. Look at what a bad one can do.

I know a doc who created an incomplete flap. He used his scalpel to cut it the rest of the way. I saw that with my own eyes. That patient didn't get to keep their VHS tape.

I wonder how this one got out.

[sirmcgowington]

The pupil would not have been dilated.  The only medicine the patient gets preop is a valium... so they can sit through this.

Look at the pupil breathing and moving in and out at about 1:06. And look at all the tears in the socket!

To the guy who had a free cap. Great. Your flap was don't correctly... or as correctly as a human being getting paid 1200 bucks per can do.

Look at that flap! Where did it go? Do you think there's enough to slap it back on there? It's ddisintegrated!

[sirmcgowington]

When doctors are proctored... or practice, they use pigs's eye's not cadavers!

[sirmcgowington]

Right. This is not a dead person as evidenced by the living moving pupil and the eye movement. I would hate to have seen this person suffer though.

This doctor is cruel. They should have left the cornea alone once they saw the epithelium break up like that.

That flap, at least 130 micrometer thick, including Bowman's layer and the epithelium are all gone. It'd be like trying to see under water in a murky lake.

8 minutes of utter hell for the patient. The doc probably puked after this too

[bitcheznhos]

this is not a dead person. cause the white part is moving. instead, its a stupid old person who thought they could see 20/20

[muwgal20]

How do these doctors practice in school? They have to have some type of cadaver or something.

[similik101]

how is it a dead persons eye if the eye is moving people? lol.

[bluestucco]

After LASIK, I was able to drop kick my eyeballs, put them back in and see perfect.

[DdgeShelby]

this was done on a corpse...end of story..

[Mcegan69]

The video description is bullshit. I had LASIK on both eyes. Right one was perfect, and still is. Left one, the flap was cut completely off...they just stuck it back on, put a bandage contact on top, and it healed IN ONE DAY. I've been waiting 6 months to see if there was any noticable changes with it and there hasn't been. Getting PRK tommorow...it's not a big deal, stop with the scare propaganda.

If you had a problem with your procedure, its your doctor's fault, not the procedures.

[waistoi]

Stop deceiving yourself. You have inflicted permanent damage to your eyes.

[Mcegan69]

No shit...the "damage" is how my terrible misshapen cornea was made to see perfectly. I hope it is permanent.

Why would I or anyone care that the "structure" of the eye is weaker? What does that even mean? That if I poke myself in the eye, something bad will happen with less force than before? I don't regularly have great force applied to my eye, so I don't see this as a problem.

[batthy]

oooh... I'm sure that was a dead person's eye..

[zagimis]

How can you be so sure if that was a dead person's eye? If that were truly a dead person's eye, the pupil would of been dilated.

[batthy]

mmm sorry, I still dont believe its real ...

[truenorthcorn]

All of you who did lasik are so stupid.

In the new Z--Laser instead of a blade as in traditional LASIK, they don't even touch the flap. Getting rid of the blade eliminates many of the main risks from LASIK, when formerly the flap was cut with a fine blade

Haha, technology has moved on. LASIK will disappear in 10 years and replaced .

Thanks for being the guinea pigs of early technology. It's really appreciated by future generations.

[mcnabj]

I wish death upon you for saying this. You are truly evil.

[Absinthemakesdaheart]

He thinks the new laser candidates wont be guinea pigs. The only way to get good vision is healthy eyes and that can only be achieved by behavoral optometry where you do eye excersise along side reduced prescriptions. Hopefull there will be more of those in the future as they are hard to find now, even lasik victims can return to normal eyesight but it may take a year or two dont lose hope, and dont undergo surgery to fix the damage.

[truenorthcorn]

sure they will also be.

in a long enough time horizon though, people would realize the true solution which may just be what you described.

[rad0radish]

stop doing it to people!!!

[cjnrj0308]

I had lasik eye surgery exactly 4 years ago this month and it still amazes me of how clear and crisp everything looks. The surgery i had though was bladeless lasik which uses a laser instead of a blade to cut the corneal flap. I would bladeless lasik again in a heartbeat.

[Mohjive]

This is just PRK. The flap is *supposed* to be removed. It's just the epithelium, which will regrow.

LASIK (which this vid does *not* show) use a keratome (sort-of-knife) to cut the cornea.

[sanjose21ca]

The second the dr noticed something he messed up and something was wrong, he should have stoped ASAP. Immediately admitted his fault, and that moment had the patient flown to a world renowed eye center like UCLA Jules Stein Eye Center. He just kept going, my goodness. I plan to be a doctor soon, if I ever make a mistake, I will immediately stop and have the patient transfered to specialists asap. Goodness, what is outcome of this story, who is the patient, who is the dr?

[yourrealmother]

what happens if the flap is completely lost? does this mean you have to wear some type of contact lens for the rest of your life?

[adamskaness]

Isn't this just LASEK (prk)

[susiyu]

I had it done last week, and the result is amazing, I was also very colour-blind and they somehow fixed that too. I am looking at the world anew and to be honest if it goes bad after 10 years I'll just have done again, the procedure is painless and quick, just find a proper Dr. and pay decent money. I think that some people dissing it are the folks , who can afford to have done.

[pieczarapl]

leeeeeeeeeeeee

[rickmilford]

this whole lasik thing scares me I will stick with my glasses I like seeing  even with my big glasses that are powerful

[deward678]

I feel bad for those who had a bad experience, but they did not go to the best doctors and have the more expensive way of custom lasik (no blades). It costs about $2000each eye. If you go for a cheap doc, you'll get what you pay for sometimes. I just had it done and can see 20/20 - it is awesome! The flap is sealed! I keep thinking I have contacts in because I see so well. Dryness is less than with contacts, it's great! Cost me $4000, but I got what I paid for.

[deward678]

It's now been about 3 months since I had custom lasik done and the flaps are perfectly sealed and I have better then 20/20 vision. My vision before this was 20/400 meaning what people can see at 400 feet I could only see at 20 feet in front of me. It's like I've been given new eyes! Again, this video is of a lab animal's eye - not human. It is not a Lasik procedure. My Lasik custom procedure was done without human hands doing the cutting - it's all computerized. It took 15 minutes. Amazing!

[sanjose21ca]

Someone said this is not a human eye, but rather an animals eye. Ummm since when did animals have human type eye lashes and an iris that looks human.

this is human people

[deward678]

This is NOT a living human being's eye! Firstly, real Lasik takes place only on a suctioned eye to keep it from moving. There's no suction ring on this eye which hardly twitches. Secondly, the pupil isn't dilated when it should be. Thirdly, human eyelashes do are not shaped like this and go up along the sides of the eye like this shows. This is NOT an actual Lasik procedure being done on a real patient!!!

[deward678]

This is not a human eye. This is a famous video of the OLD way Lasik was done, and by an amateur using a lab animal.

[vegetarianbeefeater]

You fail.

This is a human being

[deward678]

This is not a human. #1 The human eye is not stationary and must be suctioned with special equipment in order for it to remain still during procedure - this was done without the suction device. #2 Human eyelashes are not like what is seen here and do not grow on the sides of the eye like we see here. This is NOT a human eye, but the eye of a poor lab animal.

[yoops]

ok, i think im good with glasses LOL

[bitcheznhos]

so what happened? and how do you remedy that

[1superstarjames]

wow thats awful

[rjparga]

this guy is a bad candidate for surgery as well..his has pretty weak cornea tissue

[rjparga]

this doctor is a freaking joke....his name should be shown

[skinboy8]

Look, some people have bad outcomes from this procedure, as they can have bad outcomes from ANY surgery. You have to weigh up the evidence and ask yourself if it is worth it. To some people, not wearing glasses is worth the risk. It's not worth that risk to me, and it's not worth it to my Eye doctor, who still wears his glasses!

[pimpinout1]

this is the reason WHY U CHECK UR SURGEONS B4 U FUKIN LET THEM POKE U WIT NEEDLES.. THIS IS PARTLY THE PATIENTS FAULT!!!

[SandyK001]

J Refract Surg. 2005 Sep-Oct;21(5):433-45.

CONCLUSIONS: The human comeal stroma typically heals after LASIK in a limited and incomplete fashion; this results in a weak, central and paracentral hypocellular primitive stromal scar that averages 2.4% as strong as normal comeal stroma.

Only 2.4% of the original corneal strength. Consider the fact that you will need your corneas for the rest of your life if you want to see. Is refractive surgery worth what it does to the eye?

[blicksflicks]

I think we also need to realize the other end of the spectrum concerning LASIK. Ever thought that a lot of these attorneys are just itching for you to sue your doctor because you have slight halos at night around light-bulbs??? In the day, you see perfect? Then they get you going? A lot of this anti-LASIK stuff - I have no doubt - is promoted by malpractice lawyers and people who fell in that 1% failure rate, because thye went to lame doctor.

[anesthesia1000]

This guy is obviously a greedy malpractice lawyer! I had LASIK in 2004 and have 20/10 vision! I worked as a tech at a clinic for 1 year before starting medical school. 99% do great... 1% have DO have complications, but the majority are minor. Please don't be selfish and deny everyone access to this procedure because of YOUR bad outcome. EVERY drug and EVERY medical procedure has complications. I don't need YOU to dictate which ones I can/cannot receive based on what CNN is reporting.

[a1mint]

Looks to me that only a super moron gets this bullshit procedure done.

The evidence is right here in this video. You're freaking looking at it. And what do you know, oh, my, god, the idiots come out and defend Lasik. Iiiiiiiidddiiiooootttsss!

[pmarceau]

I'll stick with contact lenses, I would only consider laser surgery for cataracts, or other similar condition. definitely not just for vision correction.

[CanadasFury]

I asked my doctor about this "permanent flap" you're talking about and he said yes it does heal with a small scar and can be lifted again but they have to break the scar to do it. Some people do have accidents if they are hit in the eye or if something sharp were to lift it...but that could happen to anybody and damage their eyes. If something like this were to happen (depending on the case) it is usually fixable if you go to see your eye doctor immediately.

[SandyK001]

J Refract Surg. 2005 Sep-Oct;21(5):433-45.

CONCLUSIONS: The human comeal stroma typically heals after LASIK in a limited and incomplete fashion; this results in a weak, central and paracentral hypocellular primitive stromal scar that averages 2.4% as strong as normal comeal stroma.

Only 2.4% of the original corneal strength. Consider the fact that you will need your corneas for the rest of your life if you want to see. Is refractive surgery worth what it does to the eye?

[rjparga]

2.4 % of what ?? I mean it is impossible to knock someone's cornea out if you poke it or hit if they had never had lasik..so where does this 2.4 % come in ??

[dkantis]

Dimitri Caro, Spiro Caro, Nick Caro, and Peggy Caro have ruined hundreds if not thousands of innocent patient lives, by giving them Lasik. Meaning: FLAP FOR LIFE, that DOES NOT heal. That is why these scumbag doctors can peel it back 3,6,10,15 years later. I pray nightly that this family is cursed with illness and misfortune for what they have done to my family and other families like mine. It didn't have to be this way...THEY ARE NOW BEING CURSED WEEKLY!!

[sumthingfornuthing]

AAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!JESUS WHAT IS THIS SAW 7 .well did it work can he see?

why is this nesisary what does this do in the long run?

[dkantis]

Lying Lasik Doctors will do anything to get your money. Most of them lie to every patient. They don't properly pre-qualify patients and then once they damage you, they could care less. They are more like sharks than like Doctors. They shouldn't even have the title MD "medical doctor." Instead, they should be called SNAKES or BOTTOM FEEDERS. More and more lasik doctors are under investigation for their lies.

[jerryaltman]

That's wht happen when you go to medicine fashion and spent money to get hurt instead of get cure. DON NOT TRUST DOCTOR, SPECIALLY STETIC PROCEDURES AND NEW FASHIONS. THEY DON'T WORTH YOUR MONEY.

[WhatWouldBukowskiDo]

I dont think that is lasik, and i dont think that is the cornea flap. That looks more like PRK (or maybe an early version of lasek). What they remove is just the skin on the eye, the epithelium, wich will regenerate on its own. (I had epi-Lasek done on my eyes five days ago and i'm fine).

[LASIKeyes]

It's a flap amputation due to extreme complications that left the flap so damaged that the patient couldn't see through it.

[pimpinout1]

but will the flap heal back cuz i heard it does

[Mokurentate]

this guy doesn't have a flap anymore. once you lose it, another one does NOT grow back in it's place. D:

[rjparga]

ever heard of a cornea transplant ??

[SandyK001]

J Refract Surg. 2005 Sep-Oct;21(5):433-45.

CONCLUSIONS: The human comeal stroma typically heals after LASIK in a limited and incomplete fashion; this results in a weak, central and paracentral hypocellular primitive stromal scar that averages 2.4% as strong as normal comeal stroma.

Only 2.4% of the original corneal strength. Consider the fact that you will need your corneas for the rest of your life if you want to see. Is refractive surgery worth what it does to the eye?

[screenwriter45]

well its intesting 2 say the least

[crackZC]

OMG !

[Caprici0usLady]

4:03

I'm too afraid to see all the vids @_@

[KleenezeOpportunity]

Concerning.

[bonchbonch]

Does anyone know the backstory behind this video? What was the aftermath?

[LASIKeyes]

I'd guess that very bad vision was the aftermath.

[shtz911]

haha he can brush that eye as many times as he wants that flap is nott comin back. its funny cuz u see him pause for such long times trying to think...how the fuck am i going to fix this.

[shtz911]

ohhh this doctorr is fuckkkkkedd

[nemesisprogram]

he needs a new eye

[eyeman123]

This doctor (butcher) didn't "lift" the flap, he cut it off. This is surgeon error, not an unavoidable complication which even to excellent surgeons experience very rarely. Don't decide about laser from this.

Choose an experienced surgeon. I perform PRK/LASEK more as there is no flap. Healing is a little slower eyes can be a little sore for 2-3 days but that is a small price to pay -and results are just as good especially for myopia and astigmatism

Dr AMF

Eye Surgeon

[LASIKeyes]

Why are you afraid to post your name, Dr. AMF? PRK is much safer than LASIK and I wish I'd been given the choice. How do patients avoid butcher surgeons if we don't know their names, other than looking up surgeons at their local courthouse?

[NinjaGirl07]

that doctor didn't cut it or wet the eye... how'd they expect to lift it correctly? o.O

[poerx]

NO LASIK performed

[vladdmd]

Put simply, don't have Lasik done!

[vladdmd]

ok... why wasn't my comment posted?

[AVDJ]

Yeah! I so wanted this in the contest. Thank you, BadLASIK

[jrmod88]

This is absolutely surgeon error performed by someone who does not have a clue as to how to lift a flap. This is not a complication of LASIK or LASIK enhancements. This is an example of very poor surgical technique. Cannot imagine where this video originated. The lesson here is to research with whom and where you are having LASIK performed. LASIK performed properly and for the right candidate is safe. This video is not even close to the proper technique of a flap lift or enhancement.

-Dr. JRM

[SandyK001]

Research what? Even the top docs have created patients with severe complications like this one. Seems the best way to research a lasik surgeon is to look him up at the local courthouse, and then contact the patients who've sued him to find out what happened. Or you can Google their name + lawsuit and see what you find....some patients are starting to publish lawsuits online to get the word out.

[ThePapayaFish]

I think Dr. JRM here is making a valid point. ANY surgery done with POOR technique will result in complications that will severely impact that quality of life for the patient. Conversely, ANY surgery done with proper technique can greatly improve the patient's prognosis. I think that a few isolated cases of malpractce should give caution but not all-out fear of some potentially life-saving procedures.

[RoyNeary]

Did anyone else notice that this "doctor" did not irrigate the eye prior to lifting the flap, nor did he attempt to keep the flap moist during the operation?

[Russoft]

if I ever need glasses, I will live with glasses, thank you very much. That looks freaky.

[MaverickHunter75]

to be honest, i think i look cooler with glasses then without them. im gonna stick to them or contacts. no way to hell am i gonna let those docs near me with that equiptment! to think i wanted to get this done....

[dkantis]

the bottom line is that doctors are NOT telling the entire story of the known damages that Lasik is creating like a flap that never heals, less tear production after slashing a used razor blade through a virgin cornea, and more on this at: www.LifeAfterLasik.com, again, these doctors in my opinion are living their heaven on earth, and will eventually descend to Hell to spend eternity...

[BadLASIK]

Robert Maloney says the flap never heals--no one has lived long enough for their flap to heal. They can be lifted even 13 years later, or dislocated with a fingernail, sweater, snowball, tree branch or lots of other mishaps. Save your eyes and take a vacation instead!

[dkantis]

Lasik ruined my life and it should have never have been FDA approved knowing that there is nothing in place by the FDA to monitor devil doctors slicing eyeballs with flaps that never heal...

[LASIKNightmare]

There are many surgeons who no longer perform lasik because of all of the flap complications. Many have gone back to PRK, which may be safer, but still has many risks.

[kingx989]

wow after watching that, it seems as tho the surgeon is either lost, a rookie, or realised that he just effed up!

id like to know what happend to the patient after this even too!

[spokspokspok]

Why does the surgeon keep on pulling after the flap rips?? And what on earth happened to this patient?

[skimboley]

shut up fools, LASIK is alternative for a best vision, if one like it, fine, or not.Keep u bad comments out

[xXAkridXx]

Thier not fools, thsi video shows a botched operation. There is nothing foolish about researching somthing before you do it. And nobody knows if the flaps ever heal or not.

[crackZbyGulli]

omg... welcher Dok war da denn dran ?! Ich hoffe das sowas mir nicht passieren wird !!

[LASIKNightmare]

I'm sorry to hear that. Usually, your statute starts to run when you realized there was something wrong, so maybe there is still time. Consult an attorney.

[lasikblue]

I had lasik and it sucked and still does. Terrible night vision. I couldn't get any doctor to believe me. Or so I thought. Now I just realize they were running out the statute of limitations. :(

[BadLASIK]

You got that right! For fools and the uneducated.

[allenykl]

LASIK is a fool's game.