Mashallah if it wasn't for him i would have been in a dark place and way far away from Allah!!! May Allah have mercy on you Imam siraj wahhaj for inspiring me to seek Allah and i Thank Allah for guiding me to the right path!
LOL Mashallah this brother is too funny. death is reality something you cant avoid weather your muslim or not!! idont see how preparing for it makes you a terrorist, do you?
I love Nauman ali khan (for the sake of ALLAH) I love all his lectures Masha ALLAH very knowledgeable guy at a very young age. May ALLAH bless you and grand you jannah...my brother.
Jesus said "why u call me good..none is good only God is good.." clearly show our jesus never said he was god as christians claim..hundreds of proof are their in ur bible..but u dont see that why?
If that's all the bad things the confused people can come up with, subhanaALLAH, the brothers must have very little faults, let the non-believers read this book and they'll find the truth for themselves, inshaALLAH. And it means more coverage for Islam, and those that speak on Islam. :) ALLAH is the Greatest of planners.
@MuslimsNeedJesus I love your username, because it is essentially a double entendre: neither Muslims nor Christians would disagree with it! You think that we Muslims need to accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior, however we Muslims would say that that we need Jesus in the sense that we need to believe in him and accept him as a prophet and messiah in order to have correct faith. Lol
@MuslimsNeedJesus I can with confidence say that I as a Muslim am following the teachings of Jesus better than most Christians in the world. And the same can be said about the rest of the practicing Muslims. We pray like he did. We fast like he did. We go on pilgrimage like he did. And we great each other with the greatings of Peace as Jesus instructed his followers. It is then safe to say that when one becomes a Muslim, he becomes the best Christian. So, I say, Christians need Jesus more.
@DaWanderer Stop lying to yourself. Jesus says that if you deny Him as the Son, you are an Anti-Christ and deny both Him and the Father. And if you confess Him as the Son, you have both Him and the Father. 1 John 2:23
Islam reject's Jesus Sonship - through that you go against Jesus and do not have Him or the Father
@MuslimsNeedJesus Read the Council of Nicea, 325 AD I believe. The "Sonship" of Jesus (peace be upon him) is one of the things that they VOTED on. YOU CANNOT DENY HISTORY, but you can want something so bad that you trick your own self into believing that it's true. May Allah guide us and protect us.
@mohannedify Wrong, Jesus divinity and Sonship goes back right to the Apostles and early Disciples. The Council of Nicea only re-affirmed what was already practiced and known.
John 20:27-29: “Then He said to Thomas, ‘Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.’ Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God!’ Then Jesus told him, ‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.’"
@MuslimsNeedJesus that depends on what son really means. According to the bible, David was a son of God also. in Genesis, all the men are the sons are God and all the women are the daughters of God. So your argument is weak. In fact it is invalid. You have no case sir. May Allah guide you.
@DaWanderer The Bible makes a clear distinction between God's adopted sons and daughters on earth, and the one and unique Son of the same essence Jesus Christ, who is eternal, uncreated, has been there from the beginning, and then took on flesh and redeemed humanity before re-ascending back to His full glory - John 1:1; John 17:5, Philippians 2:5.
@MuslimsNeedJesus And Jesus makes a clear distinction between himself and God. "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone." - Luke 18:19.
These don't sound like the words of one who is of the "same essence" as God.... And of course, that is assuming the words in today's bible are in fact the words of Jesus.
@DaWanderer Way to totally rip a verse out of context and make it say the exact opposite of what it is actually saying. Jesus does not deny that He is good, nor that He is God. This verse is part of a parable where a man comes to Jesus and calls Him 'Good master', to which Jesus says that only God is truly God as all mere men have fallen short of the glory of God. Hence if the man truly believed Jesus is good - which only God is - he would sell his earthly possession and come and follow Him
@MuslimsNeedJesus And it is sad that even though what Jesus has said is clear, you chose not to understand it. Jesus says why do you call me good? Only God is Good. If Jesus was in fact claiming to be God, he wouldn't say these words.
@DaWanderer I bet you've never even read the passage in question. Jesus is NOT denying that He is good, and He is not denying that He is God.
He is showing the man that only God is truly good and that therefore, by the man calling Him Good Master, the man is calling Him God and if he really meant that, if he really believes Jesus is truly good - which only God is - then he should leave his earthly possessions and follow Him.
@MuslimsNeedJesus i see you are hopelessly trying to refutre Matthew 19, its painful to see how christians will twist explicit statment from Jesus christ to match them to random quotes by Paul, because only paul calls jesus God, Jesus never said he is God, and Jesus said WHY THOU CALL ME GOOD, THERE IS NONE GOOD BUT GOD, now please read the clear explicit statment, you have no excuse to reject this statment of Jesus Christ, He tells the man he is not God and...
@UKMuslim88 Your quite wrong. Jesus does not deny He is good, nor that He is divine in this parable but rather shows the man that only God is good and that thus if He is calling Him truly good He is calling Him God and should follow Him. Jesus repeatedly makes His divinity clear throughout His life and after His resurrection.
For example, the Prophet Daniel foretells that a coming Son of Man will come and He will have an eternal Kingdom and be worshipped by all of humanity and on His second
@MuslimsNeedJesus hello again, peace be upon you, let me reply to your comments, when i said versions of the bible, i was not talking about a translation, as a translation is of somthing that is original, now you know aswel as i do that there is no authentic statments of jesus christ, rather there is only third person accounts, example is matthew mark luke and john, now the problem here is that the so called original gospels are not in the language that jesus spoke, rather they are in greek and
@UKMuslim88 Wrong, it's not just third person accounts. It's God's Word, God is the author of the Bible, though it is written by man through his respective lens.
2 Peter 1:20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
@MuslimsNeedJesus and assuming that the four gospels that were added into the bible are correct (which is obviously added by man, there are many many gospels, only four are found in the bible) but lets assume them 4 are correct, not anywhere in these gospels does jesus claim to be God, you see Gods guidance should be clear, in law we have explicit and implicit statments, an implicit statment is cancled by a explicit statment and jesus explictly rejects he is God,
@UKMuslim88 Actually Jesus does make it EXPLICITLY clear He is God in all four of the canonical Gospels.
If you want to change the topic to the divinity of Christ, I'm more than happy to have that debate, though I thought we were talking about the preservation of scripture - the Holy Bible vs the Uthmani Qu'ran
@MuslimsNeedJesus now we know there is no one bible, this is man made, a collection of books by man, not God, so there are errors and contradictions, let me explain with the verse i mentioned previously, matthew 19 vs 16 “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” 17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?”
now compare this with the kings james version: “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”
@UKMuslim88 Those are 2 translations from the same original Greek manuscripts.
You have exactly the same with the Uthmani Qu'ran translations - Yusuf Ali's version is different to that of Pickthall which is different to that of Hilali Khan. In the Qu'ran translations sentences are made differently and have different meanings
@MuslimsNeedJesus we can clearly see that these bible verse are talking about somthing completly different but they are supposed to be the same verse! in the new revised version, the man asks about what good thing he should do to get to heaven, jesus then replies why ask of me which is good? in the king james version jesus says why does thou call me good? completly different subjects, are we asking whether jesus is good or whether there is a certain good thing we can do? so which bible is right?
@MuslimsNeedJesus i could go on and on about contradictions, but in the end its useless, whether it makes one mistake or a thousand, God is not capable of mistakes, so clearly there is different versions of bible, how ever the Quran is one in its original arabic form, and even if we didnt have this, we have Hafiz, memorisers of the Quran, its been passed down this way since prophet Muhammad, now there is no original aramaic text of Jesus, just greeks translations which come years after Jesus
@UKMuslim88 If you're going to call a translation a version, in that case there are hundreds of Qu'ran version. And no, the original Uthmani Qu'ran in arabic is not original at all. In fact, at one point there were several Qu'rans, which were then burnt under the Caliph Uthman. The Uthmani Qu'ran has a wrong chronology, verses missing (ex. stoning verse), verses forgotten by Muhammad and the followers (ex. Sahih Muslim 4:1726), and all its original documents destroyed
@UKMuslim88 coming judge the human race (Daniel 7:13). Jesus then directly identifies Himself as this very Son of Man the Prophet Daniel prophecized (Mark 14:62). Want it even clearer? Sure, here you go. Only God is the God of the Jewish Law, the Lord of the Sabbath, this is in the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:10) - Jesus claims this title for Himself explicitly, that He is the Lord of the Sabbath, the God of the Law (Mark 2:28)
@UKMuslim88 When Thomas comes and sees the resurrected Christ He hails His divinity and Jesus blesses Him for it.
John 20:27-29: “Then He said to Thomas, ‘Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.’ Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God!’ Then Jesus told him, ‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.’"
@UKMuslim88 Even according to the Qu'ran, God is the first and the last (Sura 53:7), well, that title actually belongs to Jesus:
Revelation 1:17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades."
@UKMuslim88 Even the demons on earth recognise Jesus divinity immediately & thought He had already come to destroy them (Luke 4:34) - it is humanity that does not recognise it as quickly, where it takes so much time to sink in. Just like how the Apostle Thomas doubted, and then when he saw the resurrected Christ finally believed. He subsequently spread the Gospel of Christ throughout India, incl. modern day Pakistan, before he was martyred by the Pagans. Matthew 28:19 - read it and follow Jesus
@MuslimsNeedJesus and... that if the man in question wants to have eterenal life then he should follow the laws... now the man asked which laws? and Jesus mentions some.. but when he mentions about wealth, the man then walks away, now the preists try to say this meeans man in general cant follow the laws, well this is saying God made mistakes, because God set these laws in the first place, he knows whether man can follow them or not, but some men decide not to, as christians do, but some men..
@MuslimsNeedJesus but some men decide to follow the laws as jesus himself told us to do, we can follow the laws and when we make mistakes, God is the most merciful and he forgives us these mistakes aslong as we dont fall into dispair and give uo following Gods commandments, simple as that, God forgave Adam, i think christians often foget that God forgave Adam for his sin and God does not make mistakes, if he cant or dosnt want to forgive sins, then God would not have created man weak, peace
@MuslimsNeedJesus There is much one can learn from the life of Jesus. That is what we Muslims do. We learn from his life and apply his teachings to our life. To not love worldly possessions but prepare for the world to come when we meet our Lord. God is unique and One and everything else besides God is his creation. That includes all the prophets including Muhammad and Jesus (peace be on them). Jesus never said he is God. In fact he said God is one. May God help us to understand.
@DaWanderer No Christian denies that God is one. If you think Christians worship 3 Gods, you don't understand the Christian faith. And yes, Jesus repeatedly says He is God. Only God is the Lord of the Sabbath, the God of the Jewish Law, and Jesus claims it for Himself. Only God is the First and the Last, and Jesus claims it for Himself. Only God created the universe, and Jesus claims it for Himself. Only God can hear our prayers be worshipped, and Jesus claims it for Himself
@h2dude69 This is recorded in the canonical Gospels. The Gospel of Mark was written less than 35 years after Jesus atonement. Muhammad's differing version comes over 550 years later, he said he got this from a revelation from an angel, that's the whole basis of the Qu'ran, now let me ask you, did anyone ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever see this angel apart from Muhammad? No.
Muhammad stole stories from around Arabia and made his own version about events. His version is false
Ur name is funny. Muslims already have Jesus. Its Christians who need him.
Now, YES other people did see the Angel Gabriel who brought revelations apart from Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). And He didn't get it from one revelation, he got it from revelations for 23 years.
And you can say what you want, but you cannot deny that the Gospels you have today are corrupted. No one even knows who wrote them. You dont have original manuscripts.
@h2dude69 No, unfortunately, you don't. Because all who deny the Sonship of Christ deny both Him and the Father.
1 John 2:22 Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the Antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also.
@h2dude69 You have been ill informed. The Gospel of Mark, for example, was written by Mark the Evangelist, one of the 70 disciples of Jesus and the founder of the Church of Alexandria. It was written no later than 35 years after the atonement of Christ.
And in this very Gospel of Mark, Jesus clearly declares His divinity, and His atonement and resurrection is documented in detail.
If you in fact want to look at the preservation of historical manuscripts, I suggest you research into the Uthmani
@h2dude69 Qu'ran. Once you do that, you will see that the order of the words has been changed around and is not in its original form. You will see that verses were forgotten and missed by both the followers and Muhammad himself. You will see that the Qu'ran was only collected well after Muhammad's death by Zaid bin Thabit who himself missed many verses during the recollection. And you will see that all the original documents were burnt under the Caliph Uthman and no longer exist
Typical Christian approach You can't defend the authenticity of the Bible so might as well attack the Quran The Quran is preserved. You would know if you got your information from the right sources.
Anyway
No Muslim would deny Jesus is the Christ. Its in the Quran
In Hebrew, Son of God means Servant of God. In that sense Muslims would say that Jesus is the Son of God no problem
However Jesus is Not God and Cant be God because he was a MAN
@h2dude69 I do defend the authenticity of the Bible, and simultaneously I also expose the corruption of the Uthmani Qu'ran with its lost and missing verses, wrong chronology and burnt original documents.
And here's my question to you, if Jesus teaches He is God, will you accept it? Yes or no? Or will you continue believing in what Muhammad says, despite Muhammad claiming he got this from an angel no one else ever saw. Think and answer me please, it's a tough but honest question
The Quran is a miraculous book. There are no corruptions in it. You haven't studied it. You also haven't studied its preservation. No one can change the Quran. Its impossible because unlike the bible, the Quran is preserved in memory of people.
As for your question let me quote a verse from Quran
And they say: "None shall enter paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian." Those are their (vain) desires. Say:Produce your proof if ye are truthful
@h2dude69 Ok, thank you, I thought you'd never asked.
1) Here's the proof the CHRONOLOGY of the Uthmani Qu'ran is in corrected.
How does Islam start? When an angel allegedly talks to Muhammad in a cave. So naturally, this should be how the Qu'ran then starts as well if its order has been preserved as revealed. But that is not the case. The verse from this event only comes in Surah 96, in the latter half of the book! Hence it's clear the verses have been changed around by man
2) Both Muhammad and his followers repeatedly forgot verses of the Qu'ran, and as it was only in oral form for the early part of its life, a verse that was completely forgotten was hence lost forever before it could be recorded.
Muhammad: Sahih Muslim Book 4, Nr 1721 Aisha reported that the Apostle of Allah listened to the recitation of the Qur'an by a man in the mosque. Thereupon he said: May Allah have mercy upon him; be reminded me of the verse which I had been made to forget.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 559: Narrated Abdullah: The Prophet said, "Why does anyone of the people say, 'I have forgotten such-and-such Verses (of the Qur'an)?' He, in fact, is caused (by Allah) to forget."
It got so bad with the followers and Muhammad forgetting verses that Muhammad had to say that they were meant to be forgotten and lost, which of course makes no sense as then they wouldn't have been revealed in the first place
Not only is the chronology changed around and verses were forgotten and lost, but during the recollection of the verses after Muhammad's death by Zaid bin Thabit, he MISSED verses that existed and that are today found nowhere in the Qu'ran.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 8 Book 82 Number 816: Narrated by Ibn Abbas
'Umar said, "I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, "We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book," and consequently they may
@h2dude69 go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed. Lo! I confirm that the penalty of Rajam be inflicted on him who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if he is already married and the crime is proved by witnesses or pregnancy or confession." Sufyan added, "I have memorized this narration in this way." 'Umar added, "Surely Allah's Apostle carried out the penalty of Rajam, and so did we after him."
This is just one of the many verses Thabit missed during the recollection, that
@h2dude69 we know existed, and that is found nowhere in the Uthmani Qu'ran today.
Finally 4)
All the original documents that CONFLICTED with Thabit's version (and there were many) were then burnt and destroyed.
The document you call the Qu'ran today is actually the Uthmani Qu'ran, a highly corrupted book with a wrong chronology, missing and lost verses, and its original documents all destroyed through burning.
Ok. Do u think that I've never heard of the accusations you've presented? I've heard them a million times my friend. My advice is that You aren't a scholar of Hadith so you shouldn't be analyzing Hadith as ur not qualified
The Prophet Himself arranged the chapters of the Quran. It was not done by anyone else so that's not an issue.
Furthermore, I didn't ask you to prove whether the Quran is wrong or not.
I enjoy arguing with these people. They are so hypocritical. They have so many "Proofs" of the Quran's corruption yet they have no trouble believing what some random guy wrote about Jesus and treat that as a uncorrupted Holy Book. I find it funny :D
And besides he's trying hard to bring me on what he believes is the right path. I think its only fair I do the same for him :D
@h2dude69 No, Muhammad did not arrange the chapters of the Qu'ran, because the Qu'ran was only collected by Zaid bin Thabit long after his death.
The Uthmani Qu'ran has a wrong chronology, lost and missing verses, and all its original documents destroyed through burning. That is a historical fact.
Do you think its a secret that chapter 96 is the first revelation? Everyone knows that!
That's not an issue. Every man made book in world including Bible is in chronological order.
But Quran is not man made.
Ur knowledge is very shallow. U dont know how the quran was collected or why the manuscripts were burned. U seek information only to confirm what u wish to believe.
Are u afraid to learn the truth? If not then why do u ignore the entire history
@h2dude69 No, Muhammad did not arrange the chapters of the Qu'ran, because the Qu'ran was only collected by Zaid bin Thabit long after his death.
The Uthmani Qu'ran has a wrong chronology, lost and missing verses, and all its original documents destroyed through burning. That is a historical fact.
@h2dude69 Ok, you want proof that Jesus is Lord? Easy.
The Prophet Daniel foretells of a future Son of Man, who will be worshipped by all of humanity and who has an eternal Kingdom and who will judge humanity (Daniel 7:13). Only God has an eternal Kingdom, is to be worshipped by all and can judge us.
Jesus then directly identifies Himself as this foretold Son of Man - Mark 14:62. Not only that, He also says that He is the God of the Law - the Lord of the Sabbath.
@h2dude69 According to the Ten Commandments, only God is the Lord of the Sabbath (Exodus 20:10) - and Jesus says He is the Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28).
By saying He is the Lord of the Sabbath and the one who has an eternal Kingdom and who all of humanity will eventually worship when He returns on His second coming, Jesus is making it explicitly clear who He really is. Even the demons on earth know it: Luke 4:34 "Ha! What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us?
@h2dude69 I know who you are--the Holy One of God!"
They know who Jesus truly is, despite the fact that He is in appearance of a man - and eventually, His disciples recognise it too.
John 20:27-29: Then He said to Thomas, ‘Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.’ Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God!’ Then Jesus told him, ‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.’
@MuslimsNeedJesus U can make all the quotations u want. It doesn't prove anything. I have no reason to believe anything written by Mathew/Mark/Luke/John 100 years after Jesus's death. If u can bring some document left by Jesus Himself, then u might have something.
Jesus was Mortal/NOT All Knowing/Dependent.
God its eternal/self sufficient/All knowing.
So Jesus cannot be God because there's no way he can be both self sufficient and needy. Immortal but still die.Its illogical
@h2dude69 Actually, it proves everything and shows the Uthmani Qu'ran's corruption firsthand.
And the Gospel of Mark was written less than 35 years after Jesus atonement, by Mark the Evangelist, one of the 70 disciples of Christ and the founder of the Church of Alexandria in Egypt. And in Mark's Gospel Jesus divinity is clearly defined and confirmed. And the Bible isn't just an account, it is the inspired Word of God (2 Peter 1:20)
@h2dude69 Jesus is divine and He took on flesh (John 1:1).
To understand this you should know about the 2 natures of Christ (also known as the Hypostatic Union). Jesus in His divine nature was never born and cannot die and is eternal and completely self sufficient. However, when He took on flesh, He also took on a human nature - and this human nature was born as prophecized (Isaiah 9:6), died on the cross as an atonement for the sins of humanity, then resurrected and seen by thousands
@h2dude69 including the Apostle Thomas (as I quoted you below John 20:27), before He re-ascended back to His full glory in heaven from which He will return and judge the world (Mark 14:62) when the time is right. Jesus is eternal - He pre-exists His appearance in the flesh.
John 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me with the glory I had with you before the world began.
John 8:58 I tell you the truth, Jesus answered, before Abraham was born, I am!
@h2dude69 Or, if you want it in even more detail, here is the beginning of the Gospel of John.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.....the Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. John testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, “This is the
@h2dude69 one I spoke about when I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’ Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given. For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
@MuslimsNeedJesus Muslims have the same 10 commandments Islam is nothing new
Again, u keep quoting verses but U don't tell me WHY I should believe this Mark guy or John
He was an Evangelist nd a disciple? So what? If that's ur only reason u can't accuse Uthman because he too was a companion of the Prophet and sacrificed everything to protect the Quran. Why would he corrupt it?
U dont know anything about the Quran's preservation. Stop accusing Uthman with ur shallow knowledge
Yes they do slander our beloved Prophet (SAW). But they go after Uthman R.a when you tell them that their bible is corrupt. Since they can't defend that, they come back saying that Uthman R.a corrupted the Quran.
Haha..No not that, I dont even think he added the vowel signs. Anyway
Christians are obsessed with manuscripts cuz their bible is all manuscripts. Uthman R.a burned the bits and pieces of everyone's copies of the quran and published a standardized Quran with the other sahabas to avoid confusion, cuz ppl were mixing up hadith and quran. But they christians say he corrupted quran and burned the evidence.
They dont understand that quran is preserved in memory too
if we burn the whole religious scripture in the world today, tomorrow the Quran will reappear due to the fact that only the Quran have millions of people memorizing it and this have been the case since the time of Rasulullah s.a.w.
The christian know they bible is corrupt. I mean come on, the King James version was published in the 15th century, a few thousands after Jesus died. But they are still blind to the truth
Haha. Yeah I know. But this guy who I'm arguing with on this page is telling me that Mark wrote his Gospel only 35 years after Jesus's "Supposed Death" so it must be true.
But I asked him why should I believe what this Mark guy wrote? Who is he to write a religious book? And even if he did write one the original no longer exists. All there is are copies.
He hasn't replied yet. I doubt he will cuz I posed the same question to another christian and he blocked me
if you look to his channel you will see he is using a verse of Quran and a hadith to prove that Rasulullah s.a.w is not a prophet. I mean he is using Quran and hadith? That mean he actually believe to Quran and hadith to be a true and reliable source.
by using the Quranic verse and hadith to prove that Rasulullah s.a.w is false prophet he actually showed his own stupidity because he literally took what the English translation meaning while in Arabic it mean something else.
LoL. Yeah. Christians do that. These people have no understanding of the the Arabic language and no matter how much you try, u cant explain to them that 90% of Quran is lost in translation.
But they Quote quran out of context to prove their points doesn't mean that they believe it. They're just trying to copy Ahmed Deedat I think. Remember he used to quote bible to prove that Jesus isn't God (which is true).
Of course they are. It doesn't take a genius to refute their stupid articles. All someone has to do is open the quran themselves and see that the christians are just a bunch of pathetic liars.
I even found one guy trying to prove Jesus is God from the Quran. lol
What u have done is draw a whole bunch of wrong conclusions by looking at a few hadiths. Its unfair to draw conclusion based on 5% of the total information. U've ignored 95% of the history of the preservation of Quran
Its also weird that U have so much problem with this yet find no problem believing the Bible written by random men in unknown times and not supervised by Jesus himself
Anyway as I said before I asked about jesus being god not Quran
@MuslimsNeedJesus i read your comment about the gospel of mark, well have you heard of Q source?? because we know from facts that Matthew and Luke copied certain scripts word for word of Mark and another gospel, where is this gospel? maybe expelled like all the other gospels that were never added to the bible? did God himself say which gospels should be added to the bible? he did not, man added it and as Muslims and Christians know, man is weak and naturally we sin
@MuslimsNeedJesus you said "The Gospel of Mark was written less than 35 years after Jesus atonement Muhammad's differing version comes over 550 years later" well i have to correct you, the Quran confirms everything in the bible, the only time the Quran contradicts the bible is when the bible contradicts itself, lets keep it simple, Quran says God is one, Jesus clearly says God is one, but christians say God is three or one in three or one with three phases or whatever other way try explain it
@UKMuslim88 No contradiction between the two? Then you've obviously never read the Bible.
Here's what Jesus teaches His followers to do:
Matthew 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."
Do you obey this, and baptise in the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit? No, didn't think so
@UKMuslim88 What about His Sonship, what does Jesus teach about this? Let's see:
1 John 2:22 Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also. As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.
@MuslimsNeedJesus another example of the Quran and Bible teaching the same would be the big question of salvation, both state salvation is through doing good works and obeying Gods law, yet Paul says salvation is through the blood of Christ, why? jesus didnt teach that, there is no contradiction between the quran and bible accept where the bible contradicts itself
@MuslimsNeedJesus i can tell you that in any version of the several bibles floating around today, there is no explicit statment from Jesus Christ saying he is God, now i dont want to get into an endless pointless debate, because all these debates have took place, i would just ask you to watch numerous video by ex-christians such as Yusuf Estes, Bilal phillips, Abduraheem green and Joshua evans, may God guid you to truth, remember even Jesus prayed to the only one who could save him from death,
@UKMuslim88 By 'versions floating around' I assume you mean translations, which the Qu'ran has just as many, such the Hilali Khan translation, the Yusuf Ali translation, the Pickthall translation and many others. If you don't want a debate, why respond to me with a long message, by doing that I assume you do want an exchange otherwise you wouldn't have clicked on my name and written me four messages
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aliorlimon 23 hours ago
Mashallah if it wasn't for him i would have been in a dark place and way far away from Allah!!! May Allah have mercy on you Imam siraj wahhaj for inspiring me to seek Allah and i Thank Allah for guiding me to the right path!
GuidancetoIslam 1 day ago
alhamdulillah, allahu akbar, put a smile on my face seeing how the beauty of our religion bothers the unbelievers.
ajdinDfolowerOfAllah 2 days ago
allahuakbar!
anas676 2 days ago
may Allah grant you Jannah inshAllah for your good work and lastly I LOVE MY BROTHER NOUMAN ALI KHAN
z4Peace 1 week ago
Islam = The way,The truth and The light :)
187ALZ 1 week ago
HAHA funny :) I love Siraj Wahaj and Nouman Ali Khan :)
pogota1 2 weeks ago
May Allah swt reward brother Nouman Ali Khan for his work Amin
elmamuslimah 3 weeks ago 19
I love nouman ali khan also :)
epoi92 4 weeks ago 2
LOL Mashallah this brother is too funny. death is reality something you cant avoid weather your muslim or not!! idont see how preparing for it makes you a terrorist, do you?
youheard03 1 month ago 8
I wish to become like him one day. INSHA ALLAH
zareen1980 1 month ago 21
I love Nauman ali khan (for the sake of ALLAH) I love all his lectures Masha ALLAH very knowledgeable guy at a very young age. May ALLAH bless you and grand you jannah...my brother.
zareen1980 1 month ago 5
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I love to listen to brother Nouman Ali Khan..
And to the christian below..
Jesus said "why u call me good..none is good only God is good.." clearly show our jesus never said he was god as christians claim..hundreds of proof are their in ur bible..but u dont see that why?
aryany2k7 1 month ago
MASHALLA !!!!!!!!!!!!
Mamacitaxoxoxoxoxo 1 month ago
Thanks for the video. May Allah guide us all ever closer to the truth.
DaWanderer 1 month ago
Allaahu Akbar.
naarakyuu 2 months ago
Thanks Zimmerinhere, gr8 job, ur the nex KhalifaClothing
Slahrichi14 2 months ago 17
@Slahrichi14 soo truee man ...carry on the good job Zimmerinhere
denge316 2 months ago 7
lol may Allah guide us to Jannatul Firdous
chestezzz 2 months ago 2
@chestezzz Ameen
bads482 2 months ago
If that's all the bad things the confused people can come up with, subhanaALLAH, the brothers must have very little faults, let the non-believers read this book and they'll find the truth for themselves, inshaALLAH. And it means more coverage for Islam, and those that speak on Islam. :) ALLAH is the Greatest of planners.
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Ya Allaah!! i just love imaam siraj wahaj for the sake of Allaah a loot ..wisdom wisdom all the way
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The same Nouman Ali Khan that gives lectures about not bullying others? LOL
MuslimVlogGuy 2 months ago 25
لا حول ولاقوة الا بالله
Mus44upload 2 months ago
As there is no moderate islam, Nouman Ali Khan is indeed spreading a hateful message
MuslimsNeedJesus 2 months ago
@MuslimsNeedJesus LOL have you even watched ONE of his videos?
Judging from your username, you probably haven't.
fandanstan 2 months ago
@MuslimsNeedJesus I love your username, because it is essentially a double entendre: neither Muslims nor Christians would disagree with it! You think that we Muslims need to accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior, however we Muslims would say that that we need Jesus in the sense that we need to believe in him and accept him as a prophet and messiah in order to have correct faith. Lol
NinjaKiyo 2 months ago
@MuslimsNeedJesus
And indeed you are an Ignorant, spreading a false and a weak message.
Dboy61073 2 months ago
@MuslimsNeedJesus I can with confidence say that I as a Muslim am following the teachings of Jesus better than most Christians in the world. And the same can be said about the rest of the practicing Muslims. We pray like he did. We fast like he did. We go on pilgrimage like he did. And we great each other with the greatings of Peace as Jesus instructed his followers. It is then safe to say that when one becomes a Muslim, he becomes the best Christian. So, I say, Christians need Jesus more.
DaWanderer 1 month ago
@DaWanderer Stop lying to yourself. Jesus says that if you deny Him as the Son, you are an Anti-Christ and deny both Him and the Father. And if you confess Him as the Son, you have both Him and the Father. 1 John 2:23
Islam reject's Jesus Sonship - through that you go against Jesus and do not have Him or the Father
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
@MuslimsNeedJesus Read the Council of Nicea, 325 AD I believe. The "Sonship" of Jesus (peace be upon him) is one of the things that they VOTED on. YOU CANNOT DENY HISTORY, but you can want something so bad that you trick your own self into believing that it's true. May Allah guide us and protect us.
mohannedify 1 month ago
@mohannedify Wrong, Jesus divinity and Sonship goes back right to the Apostles and early Disciples. The Council of Nicea only re-affirmed what was already practiced and known.
John 20:27-29: “Then He said to Thomas, ‘Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.’ Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God!’ Then Jesus told him, ‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.’"
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
@MuslimsNeedJesus that depends on what son really means. According to the bible, David was a son of God also. in Genesis, all the men are the sons are God and all the women are the daughters of God. So your argument is weak. In fact it is invalid. You have no case sir. May Allah guide you.
DaWanderer 1 month ago
@DaWanderer The Bible makes a clear distinction between God's adopted sons and daughters on earth, and the one and unique Son of the same essence Jesus Christ, who is eternal, uncreated, has been there from the beginning, and then took on flesh and redeemed humanity before re-ascending back to His full glory - John 1:1; John 17:5, Philippians 2:5.
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
@MuslimsNeedJesus And Jesus makes a clear distinction between himself and God. "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone." - Luke 18:19.
These don't sound like the words of one who is of the "same essence" as God.... And of course, that is assuming the words in today's bible are in fact the words of Jesus.
DaWanderer 1 month ago
@DaWanderer Way to totally rip a verse out of context and make it say the exact opposite of what it is actually saying. Jesus does not deny that He is good, nor that He is God. This verse is part of a parable where a man comes to Jesus and calls Him 'Good master', to which Jesus says that only God is truly God as all mere men have fallen short of the glory of God. Hence if the man truly believed Jesus is good - which only God is - he would sell his earthly possession and come and follow Him
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
@MuslimsNeedJesus And it is sad that even though what Jesus has said is clear, you chose not to understand it. Jesus says why do you call me good? Only God is Good. If Jesus was in fact claiming to be God, he wouldn't say these words.
DaWanderer 1 month ago
@DaWanderer I bet you've never even read the passage in question. Jesus is NOT denying that He is good, and He is not denying that He is God.
He is showing the man that only God is truly good and that therefore, by the man calling Him Good Master, the man is calling Him God and if he really meant that, if he really believes Jesus is truly good - which only God is - then he should leave his earthly possessions and follow Him.
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
@MuslimsNeedJesus i see you are hopelessly trying to refutre Matthew 19, its painful to see how christians will twist explicit statment from Jesus christ to match them to random quotes by Paul, because only paul calls jesus God, Jesus never said he is God, and Jesus said WHY THOU CALL ME GOOD, THERE IS NONE GOOD BUT GOD, now please read the clear explicit statment, you have no excuse to reject this statment of Jesus Christ, He tells the man he is not God and...
UKMuslim88 1 month ago
@UKMuslim88 Your quite wrong. Jesus does not deny He is good, nor that He is divine in this parable but rather shows the man that only God is good and that thus if He is calling Him truly good He is calling Him God and should follow Him. Jesus repeatedly makes His divinity clear throughout His life and after His resurrection.
For example, the Prophet Daniel foretells that a coming Son of Man will come and He will have an eternal Kingdom and be worshipped by all of humanity and on His second
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
@MuslimsNeedJesus hello again, peace be upon you, let me reply to your comments, when i said versions of the bible, i was not talking about a translation, as a translation is of somthing that is original, now you know aswel as i do that there is no authentic statments of jesus christ, rather there is only third person accounts, example is matthew mark luke and john, now the problem here is that the so called original gospels are not in the language that jesus spoke, rather they are in greek and
UKMuslim88 1 month ago
@UKMuslim88 Wrong, it's not just third person accounts. It's God's Word, God is the author of the Bible, though it is written by man through his respective lens.
2 Peter 1:20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
@MuslimsNeedJesus and assuming that the four gospels that were added into the bible are correct (which is obviously added by man, there are many many gospels, only four are found in the bible) but lets assume them 4 are correct, not anywhere in these gospels does jesus claim to be God, you see Gods guidance should be clear, in law we have explicit and implicit statments, an implicit statment is cancled by a explicit statment and jesus explictly rejects he is God,
UKMuslim88 1 month ago
@UKMuslim88 Actually Jesus does make it EXPLICITLY clear He is God in all four of the canonical Gospels.
If you want to change the topic to the divinity of Christ, I'm more than happy to have that debate, though I thought we were talking about the preservation of scripture - the Holy Bible vs the Uthmani Qu'ran
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
@MuslimsNeedJesus now we know there is no one bible, this is man made, a collection of books by man, not God, so there are errors and contradictions, let me explain with the verse i mentioned previously, matthew 19 vs 16 “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” 17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?”
now compare this with the kings james version: “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”
17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good?
UKMuslim88 1 month ago
@UKMuslim88 Those are 2 translations from the same original Greek manuscripts.
You have exactly the same with the Uthmani Qu'ran translations - Yusuf Ali's version is different to that of Pickthall which is different to that of Hilali Khan. In the Qu'ran translations sentences are made differently and have different meanings
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
@MuslimsNeedJesus we can clearly see that these bible verse are talking about somthing completly different but they are supposed to be the same verse! in the new revised version, the man asks about what good thing he should do to get to heaven, jesus then replies why ask of me which is good? in the king james version jesus says why does thou call me good? completly different subjects, are we asking whether jesus is good or whether there is a certain good thing we can do? so which bible is right?
UKMuslim88 1 month ago
@MuslimsNeedJesus i could go on and on about contradictions, but in the end its useless, whether it makes one mistake or a thousand, God is not capable of mistakes, so clearly there is different versions of bible, how ever the Quran is one in its original arabic form, and even if we didnt have this, we have Hafiz, memorisers of the Quran, its been passed down this way since prophet Muhammad, now there is no original aramaic text of Jesus, just greeks translations which come years after Jesus
UKMuslim88 1 month ago
@UKMuslim88 If you're going to call a translation a version, in that case there are hundreds of Qu'ran version. And no, the original Uthmani Qu'ran in arabic is not original at all. In fact, at one point there were several Qu'rans, which were then burnt under the Caliph Uthman. The Uthmani Qu'ran has a wrong chronology, verses missing (ex. stoning verse), verses forgotten by Muhammad and the followers (ex. Sahih Muslim 4:1726), and all its original documents destroyed
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
@UKMuslim88 coming judge the human race (Daniel 7:13). Jesus then directly identifies Himself as this very Son of Man the Prophet Daniel prophecized (Mark 14:62). Want it even clearer? Sure, here you go. Only God is the God of the Jewish Law, the Lord of the Sabbath, this is in the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:10) - Jesus claims this title for Himself explicitly, that He is the Lord of the Sabbath, the God of the Law (Mark 2:28)
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
@UKMuslim88 When Thomas comes and sees the resurrected Christ He hails His divinity and Jesus blesses Him for it.
John 20:27-29: “Then He said to Thomas, ‘Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.’ Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God!’ Then Jesus told him, ‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.’"
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
@UKMuslim88 Even according to the Qu'ran, God is the first and the last (Sura 53:7), well, that title actually belongs to Jesus:
Revelation 1:17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades."
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
@UKMuslim88 Even the demons on earth recognise Jesus divinity immediately & thought He had already come to destroy them (Luke 4:34) - it is humanity that does not recognise it as quickly, where it takes so much time to sink in. Just like how the Apostle Thomas doubted, and then when he saw the resurrected Christ finally believed. He subsequently spread the Gospel of Christ throughout India, incl. modern day Pakistan, before he was martyred by the Pagans. Matthew 28:19 - read it and follow Jesus
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
@MuslimsNeedJesus and... that if the man in question wants to have eterenal life then he should follow the laws... now the man asked which laws? and Jesus mentions some.. but when he mentions about wealth, the man then walks away, now the preists try to say this meeans man in general cant follow the laws, well this is saying God made mistakes, because God set these laws in the first place, he knows whether man can follow them or not, but some men decide not to, as christians do, but some men..
UKMuslim88 1 month ago
@MuslimsNeedJesus but some men decide to follow the laws as jesus himself told us to do, we can follow the laws and when we make mistakes, God is the most merciful and he forgives us these mistakes aslong as we dont fall into dispair and give uo following Gods commandments, simple as that, God forgave Adam, i think christians often foget that God forgave Adam for his sin and God does not make mistakes, if he cant or dosnt want to forgive sins, then God would not have created man weak, peace
UKMuslim88 1 month ago
@DaWanderer But instead, the man holds on to his earthly possessions and walks away sorrowful.
It's a beautiful story - quite applicable to all Muslim today in fact. You call Jesus good and sinless, but only God is truly good and sinless.
So let go of your earthly possessions, and take up your own Cross and follow Him (Luke 14:27). Don't make the same mistake as the man
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
@MuslimsNeedJesus There is much one can learn from the life of Jesus. That is what we Muslims do. We learn from his life and apply his teachings to our life. To not love worldly possessions but prepare for the world to come when we meet our Lord. God is unique and One and everything else besides God is his creation. That includes all the prophets including Muhammad and Jesus (peace be on them). Jesus never said he is God. In fact he said God is one. May God help us to understand.
DaWanderer 1 month ago
@DaWanderer No Christian denies that God is one. If you think Christians worship 3 Gods, you don't understand the Christian faith. And yes, Jesus repeatedly says He is God. Only God is the Lord of the Sabbath, the God of the Jewish Law, and Jesus claims it for Himself. Only God is the First and the Last, and Jesus claims it for Himself. Only God created the universe, and Jesus claims it for Himself. Only God can hear our prayers be worshipped, and Jesus claims it for Himself
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
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@MuslimsNeedJesus Mark 1:13 and he was in the desert forty days, being tempted by Satan. He was with the wild animals, and angels attended him.
jesus being tempted, ofc, he is a prophet, a man. why?
James 1:13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone
kirona91 1 month ago
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Jesus did not claim those things. U are you the one claiming that he claimed those things
h2dude69 1 month ago
@h2dude69 This is recorded in the canonical Gospels. The Gospel of Mark was written less than 35 years after Jesus atonement. Muhammad's differing version comes over 550 years later, he said he got this from a revelation from an angel, that's the whole basis of the Qu'ran, now let me ask you, did anyone ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever see this angel apart from Muhammad? No.
Muhammad stole stories from around Arabia and made his own version about events. His version is false
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
@MuslimsNeedJesus
Ur name is funny. Muslims already have Jesus. Its Christians who need him.
Now, YES other people did see the Angel Gabriel who brought revelations apart from Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). And He didn't get it from one revelation, he got it from revelations for 23 years.
And you can say what you want, but you cannot deny that the Gospels you have today are corrupted. No one even knows who wrote them. You dont have original manuscripts.
WE DO
God is not a Man.
h2dude69 1 month ago
@h2dude69 No, unfortunately, you don't. Because all who deny the Sonship of Christ deny both Him and the Father.
1 John 2:22 Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the Antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also.
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
@h2dude69 You have been ill informed. The Gospel of Mark, for example, was written by Mark the Evangelist, one of the 70 disciples of Jesus and the founder of the Church of Alexandria. It was written no later than 35 years after the atonement of Christ.
And in this very Gospel of Mark, Jesus clearly declares His divinity, and His atonement and resurrection is documented in detail.
If you in fact want to look at the preservation of historical manuscripts, I suggest you research into the Uthmani
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
@h2dude69 Qu'ran. Once you do that, you will see that the order of the words has been changed around and is not in its original form. You will see that verses were forgotten and missed by both the followers and Muhammad himself. You will see that the Qu'ran was only collected well after Muhammad's death by Zaid bin Thabit who himself missed many verses during the recollection. And you will see that all the original documents were burnt under the Caliph Uthman and no longer exist
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
@MuslimsNeedJesus
Typical Christian approach You can't defend the authenticity of the Bible so might as well attack the Quran The Quran is preserved. You would know if you got your information from the right sources.
Anyway
No Muslim would deny Jesus is the Christ. Its in the Quran
In Hebrew, Son of God means Servant of God. In that sense Muslims would say that Jesus is the Son of God no problem
However Jesus is Not God and Cant be God because he was a MAN
GOD IS NOT MAN
h2dude69 1 month ago
@h2dude69 I do defend the authenticity of the Bible, and simultaneously I also expose the corruption of the Uthmani Qu'ran with its lost and missing verses, wrong chronology and burnt original documents.
And here's my question to you, if Jesus teaches He is God, will you accept it? Yes or no? Or will you continue believing in what Muhammad says, despite Muhammad claiming he got this from an angel no one else ever saw. Think and answer me please, it's a tough but honest question
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
@MuslimsNeedJesus
The Quran is a miraculous book. There are no corruptions in it. You haven't studied it. You also haven't studied its preservation. No one can change the Quran. Its impossible because unlike the bible, the Quran is preserved in memory of people.
As for your question let me quote a verse from Quran
And they say: "None shall enter paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian." Those are their (vain) desires. Say:Produce your proof if ye are truthful
So Do IT
h2dude69 1 month ago
@h2dude69 Ok, thank you, I thought you'd never asked.
1) Here's the proof the CHRONOLOGY of the Uthmani Qu'ran is in corrected.
How does Islam start? When an angel allegedly talks to Muhammad in a cave. So naturally, this should be how the Qu'ran then starts as well if its order has been preserved as revealed. But that is not the case. The verse from this event only comes in Surah 96, in the latter half of the book! Hence it's clear the verses have been changed around by man
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
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2) Both Muhammad and his followers repeatedly forgot verses of the Qu'ran, and as it was only in oral form for the early part of its life, a verse that was completely forgotten was hence lost forever before it could be recorded.
Muhammad: Sahih Muslim Book 4, Nr 1721 Aisha reported that the Apostle of Allah listened to the recitation of the Qur'an by a man in the mosque. Thereupon he said: May Allah have mercy upon him; be reminded me of the verse which I had been made to forget.
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
@h2dude69
The followers:
Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 559: Narrated Abdullah: The Prophet said, "Why does anyone of the people say, 'I have forgotten such-and-such Verses (of the Qur'an)?' He, in fact, is caused (by Allah) to forget."
It got so bad with the followers and Muhammad forgetting verses that Muhammad had to say that they were meant to be forgotten and lost, which of course makes no sense as then they wouldn't have been revealed in the first place
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
@h2dude69
Not only is the chronology changed around and verses were forgotten and lost, but during the recollection of the verses after Muhammad's death by Zaid bin Thabit, he MISSED verses that existed and that are today found nowhere in the Qu'ran.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 8 Book 82 Number 816: Narrated by Ibn Abbas
'Umar said, "I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, "We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book," and consequently they may
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
@h2dude69 go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed. Lo! I confirm that the penalty of Rajam be inflicted on him who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if he is already married and the crime is proved by witnesses or pregnancy or confession." Sufyan added, "I have memorized this narration in this way." 'Umar added, "Surely Allah's Apostle carried out the penalty of Rajam, and so did we after him."
This is just one of the many verses Thabit missed during the recollection, that
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
@h2dude69 we know existed, and that is found nowhere in the Uthmani Qu'ran today.
Finally 4)
All the original documents that CONFLICTED with Thabit's version (and there were many) were then burnt and destroyed.
The document you call the Qu'ran today is actually the Uthmani Qu'ran, a highly corrupted book with a wrong chronology, missing and lost verses, and its original documents all destroyed through burning.
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
@MuslimsNeedJesus
Ok. Do u think that I've never heard of the accusations you've presented? I've heard them a million times my friend. My advice is that You aren't a scholar of Hadith so you shouldn't be analyzing Hadith as ur not qualified
The Prophet Himself arranged the chapters of the Quran. It was not done by anyone else so that's not an issue.
Furthermore, I didn't ask you to prove whether the Quran is wrong or not.
I asked you to prove Jesus is God.
h2dude69 1 month ago
@h2dude69 : ".....and when the ignorant address them, they say, "Peace!"; Furqan: 63
let him live in delusion bro :)
kido45 1 month ago
@kido45
I enjoy arguing with these people. They are so hypocritical. They have so many "Proofs" of the Quran's corruption yet they have no trouble believing what some random guy wrote about Jesus and treat that as a uncorrupted Holy Book. I find it funny :D
And besides he's trying hard to bring me on what he believes is the right path. I think its only fair I do the same for him :D
h2dude69 1 month ago
@h2dude69 No, Muhammad did not arrange the chapters of the Qu'ran, because the Qu'ran was only collected by Zaid bin Thabit long after his death.
The Uthmani Qu'ran has a wrong chronology, lost and missing verses, and all its original documents destroyed through burning. That is a historical fact.
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
@MuslimsNeedJesus
Do you think its a secret that chapter 96 is the first revelation? Everyone knows that!
That's not an issue. Every man made book in world including Bible is in chronological order.
But Quran is not man made.
Ur knowledge is very shallow. U dont know how the quran was collected or why the manuscripts were burned. U seek information only to confirm what u wish to believe.
Are u afraid to learn the truth? If not then why do u ignore the entire history
I
h2dude69 1 month ago
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@h2dude69 No, Muhammad did not arrange the chapters of the Qu'ran, because the Qu'ran was only collected by Zaid bin Thabit long after his death.
The Uthmani Qu'ran has a wrong chronology, lost and missing verses, and all its original documents destroyed through burning. That is a historical fact.
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
@h2dude69 Ok, you want proof that Jesus is Lord? Easy.
The Prophet Daniel foretells of a future Son of Man, who will be worshipped by all of humanity and who has an eternal Kingdom and who will judge humanity (Daniel 7:13). Only God has an eternal Kingdom, is to be worshipped by all and can judge us.
Jesus then directly identifies Himself as this foretold Son of Man - Mark 14:62. Not only that, He also says that He is the God of the Law - the Lord of the Sabbath.
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
@h2dude69 According to the Ten Commandments, only God is the Lord of the Sabbath (Exodus 20:10) - and Jesus says He is the Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28).
By saying He is the Lord of the Sabbath and the one who has an eternal Kingdom and who all of humanity will eventually worship when He returns on His second coming, Jesus is making it explicitly clear who He really is. Even the demons on earth know it: Luke 4:34 "Ha! What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us?
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
@h2dude69 I know who you are--the Holy One of God!"
They know who Jesus truly is, despite the fact that He is in appearance of a man - and eventually, His disciples recognise it too.
John 20:27-29: Then He said to Thomas, ‘Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.’ Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God!’ Then Jesus told him, ‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.’
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
@MuslimsNeedJesus U can make all the quotations u want. It doesn't prove anything. I have no reason to believe anything written by Mathew/Mark/Luke/John 100 years after Jesus's death. If u can bring some document left by Jesus Himself, then u might have something.
Jesus was Mortal/NOT All Knowing/Dependent.
God its eternal/self sufficient/All knowing.
So Jesus cannot be God because there's no way he can be both self sufficient and needy. Immortal but still die.Its illogical
h2dude69 1 month ago
@h2dude69 Actually, it proves everything and shows the Uthmani Qu'ran's corruption firsthand.
And the Gospel of Mark was written less than 35 years after Jesus atonement, by Mark the Evangelist, one of the 70 disciples of Christ and the founder of the Church of Alexandria in Egypt. And in Mark's Gospel Jesus divinity is clearly defined and confirmed. And the Bible isn't just an account, it is the inspired Word of God (2 Peter 1:20)
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
@h2dude69 Jesus is divine and He took on flesh (John 1:1).
To understand this you should know about the 2 natures of Christ (also known as the Hypostatic Union). Jesus in His divine nature was never born and cannot die and is eternal and completely self sufficient. However, when He took on flesh, He also took on a human nature - and this human nature was born as prophecized (Isaiah 9:6), died on the cross as an atonement for the sins of humanity, then resurrected and seen by thousands
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
@h2dude69 including the Apostle Thomas (as I quoted you below John 20:27), before He re-ascended back to His full glory in heaven from which He will return and judge the world (Mark 14:62) when the time is right. Jesus is eternal - He pre-exists His appearance in the flesh.
John 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me with the glory I had with you before the world began.
John 8:58 I tell you the truth, Jesus answered, before Abraham was born, I am!
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
@MuslimsNeedJesus Hallelujiah!!! For Jesus is the great I AM!!!
prboxershorts 1 month ago
@h2dude69 Or, if you want it in even more detail, here is the beginning of the Gospel of John.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.....the Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. John testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, “This is the
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
@h2dude69 one I spoke about when I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’ Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given. For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
@MuslimsNeedJesus Muslims have the same 10 commandments Islam is nothing new
Again, u keep quoting verses but U don't tell me WHY I should believe this Mark guy or John
He was an Evangelist nd a disciple? So what? If that's ur only reason u can't accuse Uthman because he too was a companion of the Prophet and sacrificed everything to protect the Quran. Why would he corrupt it?
U dont know anything about the Quran's preservation. Stop accusing Uthman with ur shallow knowledge
h2dude69 1 month ago
@h2dude69
the only people who I know that love slandering Uthman r.a is the Shiah.
AmirulAmin1904 1 month ago
@AmirulAmin1904
And the Christians and Jews. They Love to slander him too
h2dude69 1 month ago
@h2dude69
actually this is the first time I met with Christian (at least what he proclaimed) to slander a sahaba. Usually they just slander Rasulullah s.a.w
AmirulAmin1904 1 month ago
@AmirulAmin1904
Yes they do slander our beloved Prophet (SAW). But they go after Uthman R.a when you tell them that their bible is corrupt. Since they can't defend that, they come back saying that Uthman R.a corrupted the Quran.
h2dude69 1 month ago
@h2dude69
why? just because he added the lines so that it make easier for non Arabs to pronounce the words from Quran?
AmirulAmin1904 1 month ago
@AmirulAmin1904
Haha..No not that, I dont even think he added the vowel signs. Anyway
Christians are obsessed with manuscripts cuz their bible is all manuscripts. Uthman R.a burned the bits and pieces of everyone's copies of the quran and published a standardized Quran with the other sahabas to avoid confusion, cuz ppl were mixing up hadith and quran. But they christians say he corrupted quran and burned the evidence.
They dont understand that quran is preserved in memory too
h2dude69 1 month ago
@h2dude69
if we burn the whole religious scripture in the world today, tomorrow the Quran will reappear due to the fact that only the Quran have millions of people memorizing it and this have been the case since the time of Rasulullah s.a.w.
The christian know they bible is corrupt. I mean come on, the King James version was published in the 15th century, a few thousands after Jesus died. But they are still blind to the truth
AmirulAmin1904 1 month ago
@AmirulAmin1904
Haha. Yeah I know. But this guy who I'm arguing with on this page is telling me that Mark wrote his Gospel only 35 years after Jesus's "Supposed Death" so it must be true.
But I asked him why should I believe what this Mark guy wrote? Who is he to write a religious book? And even if he did write one the original no longer exists. All there is are copies.
He hasn't replied yet. I doubt he will cuz I posed the same question to another christian and he blocked me
h2dude69 1 month ago
@h2dude69
if you look to his channel you will see he is using a verse of Quran and a hadith to prove that Rasulullah s.a.w is not a prophet. I mean he is using Quran and hadith? That mean he actually believe to Quran and hadith to be a true and reliable source.
by using the Quranic verse and hadith to prove that Rasulullah s.a.w is false prophet he actually showed his own stupidity because he literally took what the English translation meaning while in Arabic it mean something else.
AmirulAmin1904 1 month ago
@AmirulAmin1904
LoL. Yeah. Christians do that. These people have no understanding of the the Arabic language and no matter how much you try, u cant explain to them that 90% of Quran is lost in translation.
But they Quote quran out of context to prove their points doesn't mean that they believe it. They're just trying to copy Ahmed Deedat I think. Remember he used to quote bible to prove that Jesus isn't God (which is true).
They try to do the same to us
h2dude69 1 month ago
@h2dude69 brother i have read some christian articles and im sure its not just lack of understanding. most of them are just dishonest liars
shrek91053 1 week ago
@shrek91053
Of course they are. It doesn't take a genius to refute their stupid articles. All someone has to do is open the quran themselves and see that the christians are just a bunch of pathetic liars.
I even found one guy trying to prove Jesus is God from the Quran. lol
h2dude69 1 week ago
@MuslimsNeedJesus
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What u have done is draw a whole bunch of wrong conclusions by looking at a few hadiths. Its unfair to draw conclusion based on 5% of the total information. U've ignored 95% of the history of the preservation of Quran
Its also weird that U have so much problem with this yet find no problem believing the Bible written by random men in unknown times and not supervised by Jesus himself
Anyway as I said before I asked about jesus being god not Quran
h2dude69 1 month ago
@MuslimsNeedJesus i read your comment about the gospel of mark, well have you heard of Q source?? because we know from facts that Matthew and Luke copied certain scripts word for word of Mark and another gospel, where is this gospel? maybe expelled like all the other gospels that were never added to the bible? did God himself say which gospels should be added to the bible? he did not, man added it and as Muslims and Christians know, man is weak and naturally we sin
UKMuslim88 1 month ago
@MuslimsNeedJesus you said "The Gospel of Mark was written less than 35 years after Jesus atonement Muhammad's differing version comes over 550 years later" well i have to correct you, the Quran confirms everything in the bible, the only time the Quran contradicts the bible is when the bible contradicts itself, lets keep it simple, Quran says God is one, Jesus clearly says God is one, but christians say God is three or one in three or one with three phases or whatever other way try explain it
UKMuslim88 1 month ago
@UKMuslim88 No contradiction between the two? Then you've obviously never read the Bible.
Here's what Jesus teaches His followers to do:
Matthew 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."
Do you obey this, and baptise in the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit? No, didn't think so
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
@UKMuslim88 What about His Sonship, what does Jesus teach about this? Let's see:
1 John 2:22 Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also. As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
@UKMuslim88 Islam explicitly denies the Sonship, the one thing Jesus says makes you an Anti-Christ and deny both Him and the Father.
And these are just 2 of hundreds of examples. You need to research into this a bit my friend with an open mind and heart. Peace
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
@MuslimsNeedJesus another example of the Quran and Bible teaching the same would be the big question of salvation, both state salvation is through doing good works and obeying Gods law, yet Paul says salvation is through the blood of Christ, why? jesus didnt teach that, there is no contradiction between the quran and bible accept where the bible contradicts itself
UKMuslim88 1 month ago
@MuslimsNeedJesus i can tell you that in any version of the several bibles floating around today, there is no explicit statment from Jesus Christ saying he is God, now i dont want to get into an endless pointless debate, because all these debates have took place, i would just ask you to watch numerous video by ex-christians such as Yusuf Estes, Bilal phillips, Abduraheem green and Joshua evans, may God guid you to truth, remember even Jesus prayed to the only one who could save him from death,
UKMuslim88 1 month ago
@UKMuslim88 By 'versions floating around' I assume you mean translations, which the Qu'ran has just as many, such the Hilali Khan translation, the Yusuf Ali translation, the Pickthall translation and many others. If you don't want a debate, why respond to me with a long message, by doing that I assume you do want an exchange otherwise you wouldn't have clicked on my name and written me four messages
MuslimsNeedJesus 1 month ago
subhanAllaah.. wow they have taken it to a new level..
LoveforAllaahx 2 months ago
@LoveforAllaahx subhanAllaah! they really have. The kuffar are becoming more foolish by the day.
Dawahulislam 2 months ago
@Dawahulislam; Indeed they are.
May Allaah guide them.
BarakAllaahu feeki ukhti.
LoveforAllaahx 2 months ago
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@LoveforAllaahx ameen.
Wa iyyaki, habibti x
Dawahulislam 2 months ago
lol..subhnallah! Islam will never fail..it will keep rising, Insha Allah!..Hokis Pokis!!!lol!!!
IsmaeilAlKady 2 months ago