Jews for Jesus, Zola Levitt, Dr Mike Brown, and many more Jewish/Christians believe in the Trinity. The Zohar which is Jewish talks about God plurality. Elohim or Gods in Hebrew, is used 2340+ and El or God in Hebrew is used 200+. Both Elohim and El speak of the God of Israel and both use a singular verb. The Shema has 3 names for God in 1st verse with 3 parts while Rabbi s pray with 3 fingers making the Hebrew character shin.
If jesus was the father or jesus was just the sun jesus was the holy spirit he have to stop being the 1 to become the other 1 therefore he could not be eternal god said he is eternal
I'm an ex-Oneness member. You don't have to believe all these "we believe" stuff. Its not necessary for salvation. Our salvation is by faith in Jesus Christ. Not believing or understanding some Oneness or Trinity mystery. God did not command us to understand his mystery. You all should stop arguing about these minor matters and focus on the important things.
nobody wants to challenge me on this site i'll destroy them the trinity is a orthodox christian doctrine if you deny that your a cult these oneness believers got rebuked at the councils started by apostle james rebuke these people seriously enough is enough they say limbs are being regenerated in their church they make claims that people who have had a arm or leg that was amputated grow back prove it then i'll believe
I GOT A QUESTION FOR ONENESS PENTECOSTALS WHICH APOSTLE FOUNDED YOUR CHURCH NAME ONE AND DON'T TELL ME JESUS JUST FOUNDED A DOCTRINE HE FOUNDED A CHURCH THAT WOULD BE VISIBLE NOT HIDDEN ACCORDING TO MATTHEW
I GOT A QUESTION FOR ONENESS PENTECOSTALS WHICH APOSTLE FOUNDED YOUR CHURCH NAME ONE AND DON'T TELL ME JESUS JUST FOUNDED A DOCTRINE HE FOUNDED A CHURCH THAT WOULD BE VISIBLE NOT HIDDEN
I GOT A QUESTION FOR ONENESS PENTECOSTALS WHICH APOSTLE FOUNDED YOUR CHURCH NAME ONE AND DON'T TELL JESUS JUST FOUNDED A DOCTRINE HE FOUNDED A CHURCH THAT WOULD BE VISIBLE NOT HIDDEN
God is One. He is Jesus, He is the Father, He is the Holy Ghost, He is God! He is I am that I am. All the fullness of the Godhead dwells in Jesus! I can call Him Jesus, I can call Him Father, I can call Him Holy Ghost, I can call Him God! But there is none other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved, and that name is Jesus! Show me Jesus in your life, and I will declare Him through mine. Let us love one another! stop this grumbling and disputing. Let God reveal himself!
@TriuneApostolic I left you a video response for you, you will have to go too my page, feel free to leave a respond and I will get back to you. God Bless you.
This vid wasn't Bad at all but at the Part where You were talking about The Son of God, I think You should clear that up a little. For you State that the Son of God is Not eternal but then say the Term Means God in Flesh, God is Eternal! So that wold be my small issue which i know you will clear up somehow.
Actually on four different occasions the Spirit was called an "it" or "itself" (Romans 8:16,26, John 1:32, 1 Pet 1:11). Yet, we all should know that the Spirit is a "he". The reason why the Spirit is called "he" in the bible is because of the Greek masculine noun "comforter or helper" that modifies the word "Spirit" (Pneuma) which is neuter (no gender). We just have to be careful when talking about the Spirit because either or can actually be used.
Are you a KJV only advocate? Because the verses you gave me are only true in the KJV, whereas in the NASB the Holy Spirit is consistently called "He', 'Himself', 'who'.
I read the KJV more than anything but im not a KJV only advocate. Even though the NASB says "He and Himself". The Greek is still "pneuma" which is neither feminine or masculine but is neuter so the Spirit can be called an "It" no matter what. Yet, we all know that the Spirit is a "He" and thats why the NASB translated it that way although they shouldn't have.
Oh okay, I think you are right about that. The term "spirit" is a neuter in Greek. So the NASB translators used "Him" recognizing the Holy Spirit's personality. NASB is my favourite translation, I believe it is much more accurate than the KJV for many reasons.
Do you think the Holy Spirit is an "it" or a "He"? Persons are never called "it". Persons are always referred to with personal pronouns. In the case of the Holy Spirit, He is always called "He", "Him", "who". The Holy Spirit fits the definition of what a person is. The Holy Spirit as a will (1Cor 12:11), has intellect (1Cor 2:13), self-awareness (Acts 13:2) and emotions. (Eph 4:30) Self-awareness is the ability to say "I" or "Me". I think there is no doubt He is a person.
@ETHANGELIST Guess what else the Bible calls an "it"? The WORD! In isaiah 55:11, regardless of KJV or NASB, God refers to His word as an "it". This "word" is the same "Word" we see in John 1, yet translators felt a need to redefine the Word (Logos) as the second person in the trinity, and as such they have attributed personal pronouns to it. Isaiah 55:11 fits in perfectly with John 8:42, John 4:34 and John 19:30. I guess scholars forgot to reinterpret the word in Isaiah 55:11 as a "he"!
@ETHANGELIST It's useless. They are damned to Hell. However, I am with TheMessianicGentile. He has been studying the Bible and I have looked into the matter and concluded Arianism or Semi-Arianism is the correct interpretation.
@TriuneApostolic They are Antichrists. And so is everyone who rejects the simplicity of Jesus's teachings. Jesus is the Son of God. Semi-Arian apostolic speaking.
What would "shake" this world and "turn it upside down" is if God manifested in female form and she would be named "Shekinah" (the dwelling and radiance of God)-The I AM is ALL things, and ALL things are possible through the I AM.
The "Holy Spirit" is female (Gen.1:26) Then God said, "Let US make humans in OUR image, in OUR likeness... (Gen.1:27) So God created humans in his image. In the image of God he created them. He created them MALE and FEMALE. That is why all humans have male and female chromosomes. God the father and the Spirit mother are “One” through marriage, and the two became one flesh through the Son - Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.” All born by the Spirit are also "One"
@UniversalChange The Holy Spirit is male. Jesus said of the Holy Spirit in John 16:13 that He, the Spirit, will guide us into all truth. So the Holy Spirit is not female.
Actually, the greek word for "Spirit" is "pneuma" which is neither masculine or feminene but rather neuter therefore the reason why the spirit is called a "he" at times is because of the noun that compliments the thing. Example in John 15:26, the noun "comforter" is used to refer to the spirit and therefore, the spirit is called a "he". In Romans 8:26, the spirit is called an "Itself". So it depends on the noun
@FalseTrinityDoctrine Oh, okay. I didn't know all of that. I just knew that Jesus referred to the Spirit as he, and never a she. I didn't understand how the Spirit could be a "she", since the "she" is never used for it. But I understand now.
@bjisom1955 U believe that U can use 1 script as proof 2 UR claim,I could explain but U can't build upon a weak foundation it has 2B torn down.Jesus's teachings R esoteric so is the bible,not 2B taken literal.Many left at "eat my body&drink my blood" He sent them away purposely.His word/bible R2 confuse/divide/send away.The "treasure" is through a labyrinth of distractions/illusion/deception/dead ends. A Clue-1 claims 2B appointed an apostle a Judas, 12 (significant#rep.gov) were elected not 13
@Goodlife51 Which 1 of HIS "Spirits"? - 1Kings22-21 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD & said, ‘I will persuade him.’ 22 The LORD said to him, ‘In what way?’ So he said, ‘I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ And the LORD said, ‘You shall persuade him, and also prevail. Go out and do so.’ 23 Therefore look! The LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these prophets of yours, and the LORD has declared disaster against you.”
You will find two ways in which the word God is being said. 1st. τὸν Θεόν, which is translated The God, 2nd. Θεὸς, which is translated God. Therefore the verse could be read,
In the beginning was the word, and the word was with the God, and the word was God.
The word God in John 1:2 is also τὸν Θεόν, the God.
The knowlegde of God cannot be forced,it is learned,again men continue to grapple with their fleshly minds in trying to 'dissect' the mystery of God.
The reason there is such dissension concerningthis is because the vast majority DO NOT KNOW GOD,they have allowed men to teach them false doctrine and that is what they are basing their flawed faith upon.
All the way up/down to John MacArthur who presumes upon many things to youtubers who are in bondage to sin,and spout nonsense continually.
In the beginning was the word, the word was with God, and the word was God. With God, and was God... hmmm... sounds like Jesus is God to me...As for the Trinity, yes, there are some holes in it, just as there are in the oneness doctrine.
Yes, indeed the "WORD" was with God, not a Son for their was no son until the incarnation (Luke 1:35). John confirms what he means in 1 John 1:1 attributing Jesus to be "The LIFE that was manifested to us". Trinitarians love scriptures that sound like they prove a Trinity and will push asside its true meaning when truth is presented.
The word then became flesh, and He (Jesus) is the image of the one true God. Everything that Jesus is beyond the physical body is God. Jesus had no human soul as we understand it, and was incapable of sinning. Only God can be perfect, so Jesus is God. Also, read Danile 7, where the coming Messiah is clearly shown as being God.
What makes you think that i don't believe that Jesus is God? I do believe he is God.
One thing i disagree with you about is that you said "Jesus had no human soul".
Indeed, he does have a human Spirit (Luke 23:46). If he didn't he wouldn't be human but moreso higher than the angels in which he wasn't until the ressurection.
The false doctrine of the trinity finds its origin within the RCC and its established rule over men.And you(yahwehsshofar) are proof of that,
Pssst,who is yahweh?
Probverbs 30 is a refutation of your man devised false doctrine but you cannot see it.
If,as you say you were once a Oneness and now dont follow after either beliefs only proves that you are standing on the shifting sands of your own unstable fleshly mind.
Why was the trinity not taught among the sons of Israel prior to Messiah?
I used to be Oneness. (I agree that the holy spirit is not another person) I now don't follow trinitarian or Oneness. Here are some of the scripture to share with you scriptures you just can't get around.
Pro 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is HIS name, and what is his SON'S name, if thou canst tell?
Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. (ONLY)
John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is GREATER than I.
The Son pre-existed as co-creator with the Father.
John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I HAD WITH thee before the world was.
You do a good job presenting your videos, my friend. But these are a few problem verses from a former oneness believer. We both don't hold to the Roman Catholic trinity though.
Read the scripture again, my friend. It speaks for itself and pray about. I would ask you, who is the Son here in Proverbs 30:4 and in Psalms 2 ?
I believe in the Scriptures as they were originally written, not in the traditions, dogmas and docrines of men. But I have learned that a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.
Proberbs 30: 4 is Not a prophecy? This is refering to creation. The son's name Is Yahshua, meaning Yahweh's salvation. The son's was never call Jesus, there was NEVER a "J" in ANY language until the 1500's. So the apostles never called him Jesus. IF you were truely Aposolic, you would keep the Sabbath day, not keep Easter, Christmas.
It's not a prophecy but is referring to creation? Seriously?
Pro 30:1 ~ "The words of Agur the son of Jakeh, the PROPHECY:"
Verse 4 is asking WHO did all those things, what is his name? Also, what is his sons name. Stay within the CONTEXT. Also, you said that the sons name is Yashua, so was this his name before the incarnation? If so, that is not biblical. You still haven't told me what you believe clearly.
The prophecy — literally, the burden (compare Isa_13:1; Zec_9:1), used for any divine instruction; not necessarily a prediction, which was only a kind of prophecy (1Ch_15:27, a song).
Hebrew defination: משּׂא maśśâ' BDB Definition: Massa = burden 1) load, bearing, tribute, burden, lifting (noun masculine) 1a) load, burden 1b) lifting, uplifting, that to which the soul lifts itself up 1c) bearing, carrying 1d) tribute, that which is carried or brought or borne 2) utterance, oracle, burden (noun masculine) This Hebrew word for "prophecy" means, burden or Oracle. The Bible plainly says that the Son pre-existed "WITH" the Father. Stop twisting scripture.
Soooooo, you say that the bible plainly say the Son pre-existe "WITH" the Father but yet im twisting scripture?
The scriptures say that "THE WORD" was with God, not a Son so you are the one twisting scripture. Also, John clarifys what he means concerning this statement in
1 John 1:1-2. Stick with the bible and not your own interpretation.
You still haven't told me plainly what you believe concerning Gods nature.
Amen, God bless you for searching the scriptures to see if what i present is true. I like to put up clear scriptures so that they can be easily understood :)
I was just checking out RevJTWheeler's vids. He's got some very good points also. But you being Oneness Apostolic you probably already know what he is saying though. God Bless you and your family Troy! Keep up the good work Brother!
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Jews for Jesus, Zola Levitt, Dr Mike Brown, and many more Jewish/Christians believe in the Trinity. The Zohar which is Jewish talks about God plurality. Elohim or Gods in Hebrew, is used 2340+ and El or God in Hebrew is used 200+. Both Elohim and El speak of the God of Israel and both use a singular verb. The Shema has 3 names for God in 1st verse with 3 parts while Rabbi s pray with 3 fingers making the Hebrew character shin.
Some have taken the Shema out of context
MrHellowwww1 1 week ago
Is Jesus His own Father?? Who is it in Mat. 26:39 thats praying in the garden NOT my will? Do you believe God is playing out both roles Father/Son?
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
John 3:16 says God sent His Son. Not God sent Himself.
OnenessApostolicMan 1 month ago 4
This sounds just like apostolicGodschild?
ibawlreelhard 1 month ago
If jesus was the father or jesus was just the sun jesus was the holy spirit he have to stop being the 1 to become the other 1 therefore he could not be eternal god said he is eternal
perez85tkd 1 month ago
Malachi 3:6 For I am the Lord, I do not change.
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
perez85tkd 1 month ago
I'm an ex-Oneness member. You don't have to believe all these "we believe" stuff. Its not necessary for salvation. Our salvation is by faith in Jesus Christ. Not believing or understanding some Oneness or Trinity mystery. God did not command us to understand his mystery. You all should stop arguing about these minor matters and focus on the important things.
higherground2050 2 months ago
Three questions -
1. Who came forth from the Father into the world?
2. Who was manifested in the likeness of sinful flesh?
3. Who sat down with the Father on the Father's throne?
If the Oneness god is one person none of the above questions would make sense or could be answered correctly.
TheLayman316 2 months ago
nobody wants to challenge me on this site i'll destroy them the trinity is a orthodox christian doctrine if you deny that your a cult these oneness believers got rebuked at the councils started by apostle james rebuke these people seriously enough is enough they say limbs are being regenerated in their church they make claims that people who have had a arm or leg that was amputated grow back prove it then i'll believe
james67707 4 months ago
I GOT A QUESTION FOR ONENESS PENTECOSTALS WHICH APOSTLE FOUNDED YOUR CHURCH NAME ONE AND DON'T TELL ME JESUS JUST FOUNDED A DOCTRINE HE FOUNDED A CHURCH THAT WOULD BE VISIBLE NOT HIDDEN ACCORDING TO MATTHEW
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I GOT A QUESTION FOR ONENESS PENTECOSTALS WHICH APOSTLE FOUNDED YOUR CHURCH NAME ONE AND DON'T TELL ME JESUS JUST FOUNDED A DOCTRINE HE FOUNDED A CHURCH THAT WOULD BE VISIBLE NOT HIDDEN
james67707 4 months ago
I GOT A QUESTION FOR ONENESS PENTECOSTALS WHICH APOSTLE FOUNDED YOUR CHURCH NAME ONE AND DON'T TELL JESUS JUST FOUNDED A DOCTRINE HE FOUNDED A CHURCH THAT WOULD BE VISIBLE NOT HIDDEN
james67707 4 months ago
God is One. He is Jesus, He is the Father, He is the Holy Ghost, He is God! He is I am that I am. All the fullness of the Godhead dwells in Jesus! I can call Him Jesus, I can call Him Father, I can call Him Holy Ghost, I can call Him God! But there is none other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved, and that name is Jesus! Show me Jesus in your life, and I will declare Him through mine. Let us love one another! stop this grumbling and disputing. Let God reveal himself!
soulsurcher 6 months ago
GOOD VIDEO- my FAITH - GOd shown - GOd proven- NOT MAN---> GOD
and I am COMPLETE in HIM COL 2-10-------------> JESUS my LORD
2222pauline 8 months ago
@TriuneApostolic I left you a video response for you, you will have to go too my page, feel free to leave a respond and I will get back to you. God Bless you.
MrApostolicdoctrine1 8 months ago
This vid wasn't Bad at all but at the Part where You were talking about The Son of God, I think You should clear that up a little. For you State that the Son of God is Not eternal but then say the Term Means God in Flesh, God is Eternal! So that wold be my small issue which i know you will clear up somehow.
theyoungone101 9 months ago
@theyoungone101
Meaning that Jesus is both God and Man inseparably. If he were not dual natured, then the Son would cease to exist.
FalseTrinityDoctrine 9 months ago
The video called the person of the Holy Spirit an "it"... The Bible ALWAYS calls the Holy Spirit a person or "who" or "He".
ETHANGELIST 11 months ago
@ETHANGELIST
Actually on four different occasions the Spirit was called an "it" or "itself" (Romans 8:16,26, John 1:32, 1 Pet 1:11). Yet, we all should know that the Spirit is a "he". The reason why the Spirit is called "he" in the bible is because of the Greek masculine noun "comforter or helper" that modifies the word "Spirit" (Pneuma) which is neuter (no gender). We just have to be careful when talking about the Spirit because either or can actually be used.
FalseTrinityDoctrine 11 months ago
@FalseTrinityDoctrine
Are you a KJV only advocate? Because the verses you gave me are only true in the KJV, whereas in the NASB the Holy Spirit is consistently called "He', 'Himself', 'who'.
ETHANGELIST 11 months ago
@ETHANGELIST
I read the KJV more than anything but im not a KJV only advocate. Even though the NASB says "He and Himself". The Greek is still "pneuma" which is neither feminine or masculine but is neuter so the Spirit can be called an "It" no matter what. Yet, we all know that the Spirit is a "He" and thats why the NASB translated it that way although they shouldn't have.
FalseTrinityDoctrine 11 months ago
@FalseTrinityDoctrine
Oh okay, I think you are right about that. The term "spirit" is a neuter in Greek. So the NASB translators used "Him" recognizing the Holy Spirit's personality. NASB is my favourite translation, I believe it is much more accurate than the KJV for many reasons.
ETHANGELIST 11 months ago
@ETHANGELIST The Holy Ghost is never in scripture called a person. The Holy Spirit, is a Spirit. John 4:24.
MrApostolicdoctrine1 10 months ago
@MrApostolicdoctrine1
Do you think the Holy Spirit is an "it" or a "He"? Persons are never called "it". Persons are always referred to with personal pronouns. In the case of the Holy Spirit, He is always called "He", "Him", "who". The Holy Spirit fits the definition of what a person is. The Holy Spirit as a will (1Cor 12:11), has intellect (1Cor 2:13), self-awareness (Acts 13:2) and emotions. (Eph 4:30) Self-awareness is the ability to say "I" or "Me". I think there is no doubt He is a person.
ETHANGELIST 10 months ago
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MrApostolicdoctrine1 10 months ago
@ETHANGELIST Guess what else the Bible calls an "it"? The WORD! In isaiah 55:11, regardless of KJV or NASB, God refers to His word as an "it". This "word" is the same "Word" we see in John 1, yet translators felt a need to redefine the Word (Logos) as the second person in the trinity, and as such they have attributed personal pronouns to it. Isaiah 55:11 fits in perfectly with John 8:42, John 4:34 and John 19:30. I guess scholars forgot to reinterpret the word in Isaiah 55:11 as a "he"!
OneTruthFinder 5 months ago
@ETHANGELIST It's useless. They are damned to Hell. However, I am with TheMessianicGentile. He has been studying the Bible and I have looked into the matter and concluded Arianism or Semi-Arianism is the correct interpretation.
Danielezerable 5 months ago
@TriuneApostolic They are Antichrists. And so is everyone who rejects the simplicity of Jesus's teachings. Jesus is the Son of God. Semi-Arian apostolic speaking.
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UniversalChange 1 year ago
What would "shake" this world and "turn it upside down" is if God manifested in female form and she would be named "Shekinah" (the dwelling and radiance of God)-The I AM is ALL things, and ALL things are possible through the I AM.
UniversalChange 1 year ago
The "Holy Spirit" is female (Gen.1:26) Then God said, "Let US make humans in OUR image, in OUR likeness... (Gen.1:27) So God created humans in his image. In the image of God he created them. He created them MALE and FEMALE. That is why all humans have male and female chromosomes. God the father and the Spirit mother are “One” through marriage, and the two became one flesh through the Son - Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.” All born by the Spirit are also "One"
UniversalChange 1 year ago
@UniversalChange The Holy Spirit is male. Jesus said of the Holy Spirit in John 16:13 that He, the Spirit, will guide us into all truth. So the Holy Spirit is not female.
bjisom1955 1 year ago
@bjisom1955
Actually, the greek word for "Spirit" is "pneuma" which is neither masculine or feminene but rather neuter therefore the reason why the spirit is called a "he" at times is because of the noun that compliments the thing. Example in John 15:26, the noun "comforter" is used to refer to the spirit and therefore, the spirit is called a "he". In Romans 8:26, the spirit is called an "Itself". So it depends on the noun
FalseTrinityDoctrine 1 year ago
@FalseTrinityDoctrine Oh, okay. I didn't know all of that. I just knew that Jesus referred to the Spirit as he, and never a she. I didn't understand how the Spirit could be a "she", since the "she" is never used for it. But I understand now.
bjisom1955 1 year ago
@bjisom1955
Glad i could help :)
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@bjisom1955 U believe that U can use 1 script as proof 2 UR claim,I could explain but U can't build upon a weak foundation it has 2B torn down.Jesus's teachings R esoteric so is the bible,not 2B taken literal.Many left at "eat my body&drink my blood" He sent them away purposely.His word/bible R2 confuse/divide/send away.The "treasure" is through a labyrinth of distractions/illusion/deception/dead ends. A Clue-1 claims 2B appointed an apostle a Judas, 12 (significant#rep.gov) were elected not 13
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UniversalChange 1 year ago
Do you know who is your mother is? Have you overlooked this truth
UniversalChange 1 year ago
Isaiah 48:16"the Lord God and HIS Spirit sent ME"......
Goodlife51 1 year ago
@Goodlife51 Which 1 of HIS "Spirits"? - 1Kings22-21 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD & said, ‘I will persuade him.’ 22 The LORD said to him, ‘In what way?’ So he said, ‘I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ And the LORD said, ‘You shall persuade him, and also prevail. Go out and do so.’ 23 Therefore look! The LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these prophets of yours, and the LORD has declared disaster against you.”
UniversalChange 1 year ago
Very good theology in this video brother.
tjmax777 1 year ago
Here is something interesting:
If you look John 1:1 in the original greek text ;
You will find two ways in which the word God is being said. 1st. τὸν Θεόν, which is translated The God, 2nd. Θεὸς, which is translated God. Therefore the verse could be read,
In the beginning was the word, and the word was with the God, and the word was God.
The word God in John 1:2 is also τὸν Θεόν, the God.
Thakel77 2 years ago
God will always be ONE and ONLY ONE.And he is the Perfect One.He never dies and has no equals.
STARepublic 2 years ago
The knowlegde of God cannot be forced,it is learned,again men continue to grapple with their fleshly minds in trying to 'dissect' the mystery of God.
The reason there is such dissension concerningthis is because the vast majority DO NOT KNOW GOD,they have allowed men to teach them false doctrine and that is what they are basing their flawed faith upon.
All the way up/down to John MacArthur who presumes upon many things to youtubers who are in bondage to sin,and spout nonsense continually.
8Anya8 2 years ago
In the beginning was the word, the word was with God, and the word was God. With God, and was God... hmmm... sounds like Jesus is God to me...As for the Trinity, yes, there are some holes in it, just as there are in the oneness doctrine.
apologeticsman 2 years ago
Yes, indeed the "WORD" was with God, not a Son for their was no son until the incarnation (Luke 1:35). John confirms what he means in 1 John 1:1 attributing Jesus to be "The LIFE that was manifested to us". Trinitarians love scriptures that sound like they prove a Trinity and will push asside its true meaning when truth is presented.
FalseTrinityDoctrine 2 years ago
The word then became flesh, and He (Jesus) is the image of the one true God. Everything that Jesus is beyond the physical body is God. Jesus had no human soul as we understand it, and was incapable of sinning. Only God can be perfect, so Jesus is God. Also, read Danile 7, where the coming Messiah is clearly shown as being God.
apologeticsman 2 years ago
What makes you think that i don't believe that Jesus is God? I do believe he is God.
One thing i disagree with you about is that you said "Jesus had no human soul".
Indeed, he does have a human Spirit (Luke 23:46). If he didn't he wouldn't be human but moreso higher than the angels in which he wasn't until the ressurection.
FalseTrinityDoctrine 2 years ago
The false doctrine of the trinity finds its origin within the RCC and its established rule over men.And you(yahwehsshofar) are proof of that,
Pssst,who is yahweh?
Probverbs 30 is a refutation of your man devised false doctrine but you cannot see it.
If,as you say you were once a Oneness and now dont follow after either beliefs only proves that you are standing on the shifting sands of your own unstable fleshly mind.
Why was the trinity not taught among the sons of Israel prior to Messiah?
8Anya8 2 years ago
He says im twisting scripture but yet he is the one doing the twisting.
FalseTrinityDoctrine 2 years ago
I used to be Oneness. (I agree that the holy spirit is not another person) I now don't follow trinitarian or Oneness. Here are some of the scripture to share with you scriptures you just can't get around.
Pro 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is HIS name, and what is his SON'S name, if thou canst tell?
Yes, Yahshua did pre-exist as a Son.
YahwehsShofar 2 years ago
Father and son not co-equal or co-eternal.
Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. (ONLY)
John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is GREATER than I.
The Father is greater than the Son.
YahwehsShofar 2 years ago
The Son pre-existed as co-creator with the Father.
John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I HAD WITH thee before the world was.
You do a good job presenting your videos, my friend. But these are a few problem verses from a former oneness believer. We both don't hold to the Roman Catholic trinity though.
Shalom!
YahwehsShofar 2 years ago
I made a video about John 17:5, check it out. It most certainly is not a problem verse for us Oneness folk :)
FalseTrinityDoctrine 2 years ago
I agree
FalseTrinityDoctrine 2 years ago
Ooook, so how does Pro 30:4 prove that Jesus prexsisted? Im confused as to what you actually believe. Can you explain please
FalseTrinityDoctrine 2 years ago
Read the scripture again, my friend. It speaks for itself and pray about. I would ask you, who is the Son here in Proverbs 30:4 and in Psalms 2 ?
I believe in the Scriptures as they were originally written, not in the traditions, dogmas and docrines of men. But I have learned that a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.
Shalom!
YahwehsShofar 2 years ago
I would ask you to read Proverbs 30 :4 again. This is a PROPHECY as well as Psalms 2. The Son here is Jesus Christ.
Now please tell me, what is the sons name in proverbs 30?
FalseTrinityDoctrine 2 years ago
Proberbs 30: 4 is Not a prophecy? This is refering to creation. The son's name Is Yahshua, meaning Yahweh's salvation. The son's was never call Jesus, there was NEVER a "J" in ANY language until the 1500's. So the apostles never called him Jesus. IF you were truely Aposolic, you would keep the Sabbath day, not keep Easter, Christmas.
YahwehsShofar 2 years ago
It's not a prophecy but is referring to creation? Seriously?
Pro 30:1 ~ "The words of Agur the son of Jakeh, the PROPHECY:"
Verse 4 is asking WHO did all those things, what is his name? Also, what is his sons name. Stay within the CONTEXT. Also, you said that the sons name is Yashua, so was this his name before the incarnation? If so, that is not biblical. You still haven't told me what you believe clearly.
FalseTrinityDoctrine 2 years ago
The prophecy — literally, the burden (compare Isa_13:1; Zec_9:1), used for any divine instruction; not necessarily a prediction, which was only a kind of prophecy (1Ch_15:27, a song).
YahwehsShofar 2 years ago
YahwehsShofar 2 years ago
Soooooo, you say that the bible plainly say the Son pre-existe "WITH" the Father but yet im twisting scripture?
The scriptures say that "THE WORD" was with God, not a Son so you are the one twisting scripture. Also, John clarifys what he means concerning this statement in
1 John 1:1-2. Stick with the bible and not your own interpretation.
You still haven't told me plainly what you believe concerning Gods nature.
FalseTrinityDoctrine 2 years ago
Not bad at all! All the verses mentioned are in accord with the Bible. And to believe otherwise is to argue against the Bile itself. God Bless!
OurGr8God 2 years ago
Amen, God bless you for searching the scriptures to see if what i present is true. I like to put up clear scriptures so that they can be easily understood :)
FalseTrinityDoctrine 2 years ago
I can see that as clear as light.
I was just checking out RevJTWheeler's vids. He's got some very good points also. But you being Oneness Apostolic you probably already know what he is saying though. God Bless you and your family Troy! Keep up the good work Brother!
OurGr8God 2 years ago
Amen, thank you
FalseTrinityDoctrine 2 years ago
Good video Troy, very nicely put. Let the truth be known!
OurGr8God 2 years ago
Good video. I disagree with you on some points but otherwise very well done!
bandaidmafia 2 years ago
I know what you disagree on, its all good bro. Continue exposing the false trinity doctrine.
FalseTrinityDoctrine 2 years ago