@DancingMonkey12 well, although we can all agree the modern 300 flim was totally awesome and cool. this 1962 film was much much more histroricly accurate in how the battle actually went down. But both films are fun to watch.
6:47 The counselor says: "The Spartans fight like machines!" How come that the ancient Persians, much less the Greek, know of machines which they can compare with warriors?
vis, your eval of the 'why' concerning the legacy of the Greeks is spot-on. As for the rest of the rants here....some weird stuff for sure. I think most of you are spoiled to the max and couldn't even conceive of a West that has not been molded by both Hellenism and Judeo-Christianity.
greece has destroyed orders and made orders. 1=atlantis. 2=trogans. 3=persians. 4=alexander defeat the persian empire. 5= byzantine empire 6= greece desided the outcome of ww2. the entire world is waking up and are looking at the hellenic spirit as inspiration to defeat the new world order world goverment. nothing can match the imortal hellenic spirit. freedom or death like the ancient spartans
Sparta was not a democracy. This American political propaganda takes away from the movie but its still enjoyable when one overlooks the BS attempt of the US in interject itself.
@themios72 Rather to have the Persians then u superstituous Christian millenialists. If u dont like Babylon then move out of the city and out of civilisation.
@yosefbenyosef relax take it easy thats the new world order they have been around since the time of the talmud in babylon. we are living a babylian order of scum. nothing can match the imortal hellenic spirit, ancient greece is the light of the universe. hellenism will end up defeating zionism and its evil babylon system.
@themios72 OK. I got some of ur comments. The talk of New World Order is Judeo-Christian BS. The Persians and those others were not the problem though they contended with each other all of us have been diseased not by Babylon but by Judeo-Christianity. Yes. It was compiled in Babylon, even under Cyrus protection but it is not of the Achaemenids.
@themios72@themios72 We really have no argument as for Hellenism I always write OLYMPIAS in shouts because this is our hope as we are being marched to extinction not by any mysterious New World Order but a sickness thats been polluting for almost 2000 years.
@themios72 Rather to have the Persians then u superstituous Christian millenialists. If u dont like Babylon then move out of the city and out of civilisation.
This is a movie made in Hollywood in 1962. So stop projecting ur spooky paranoid religious nonsense on what really happened at Thermopylae 2500 years ago.
Later Persian kings like Artaxerxes III bought off both Athens and Sparta at different points and paid both sides co pound each pther senseless during the later years of the Peloponnesian wars.
It worked a lot better than anything Xerxes had attempted. Greece basically kicked its own ass, which made it war weaker and easier to invade. But the Persians never managed to complete this task because Alexander beat them to it, and then started getting even more ambitious.
Great movie,better than most made now,all tricks and computer technology will never ever replace the soul of the story and the great team of actors.Someday will visit the site of this remarkable event in Greece.
it is for this reason they say it was one of the most famous battles which ensured the trail which led to our western civilisation. without those few crucial stands going our way, we'd all be islamists, not that there's anything wrong with that.
@visualintent ...ummmm....vis...I suggest you ask your Western-raised daughter, wife, or mother if 'there's anything wrong with that...' Of course, if you were a to-the-bone Islamist, you wouldn't *ask* any of those 'hers' anything.....
Hi:) The reason i said there's nothing wrong with that was to ensure this would not turn into a hate video, with hate comments. Just wanted to concentrate on the fact :)
because if the Ancient Greek states were enslaved in that particular period, it would have put a stop to ideas of democracy which hadnt evolved yet.. it was still a very radical idea for the time, and after the repulsion of the enemy a new psyche took hold of the grecian people, and a coming together, a solidarity... the path was clear now for democracy to evolve and peak... an enslaved ancient greece would not had the chance to revolutionise our world.
@maximuslaurius good point , i read that two on bettany hugs ancient worlds, but she could be wrong becuase spartans did have money and she said they did not
Sparta was worse - always having to put down slave revolts. The reason they trained for war was so they could suppress the revolts and stay in power. Not the other way around. And though to their credit, Spartans were not interested in conquering other states like the Athenians were. Sparta basically wanted to be left alone, it was their dumb leaders who went along with Athens and its league and got swept into nationalist Persian-hating bigotry.
But spartan "imperialism" would rise after the Peloponesian War, when they were hegemonous on all of Greece, and even allies with persian satraps against Athens.
If it was only about conquering the world, Persian kings would not have practically invented human rights as we know it. (and no, democracy and human rights are not the same thing. Athens had some sort of rich men's club "democracy" but practically no protection of human rights. It was an unrestricted oligarchy which many times almost doomed itself to collapse.
Greece has never been easy to conquer. Too hilly and not much in the way of natural resources for a big army to live off. Though the Turks did a fairly decent job of it. Though Persians were liberators, not invaders. Every Spartan-lover should know that Athens started this whole mess by hijacking Persian trade ships and destroying Zoroastrian shrines in an attempt to trigger a crackdown by the King and cause a Greek nationalist revolt. Plutarch and Xenophon both talk of it.
It's debatable. The actions of Athens can also be seen as an attempt to liberate their Asia Minor colonies. Mostly the persians actions started it, when they conquered the colonies in the first place.
Persians were faster but had worse armor.... Heavy persian armor didn't show up until the Sassanids dynasty. The early persian soldiers like at Thermopylae, were all about speed and archery. They used arrows to thin enemy ranks and then sent in spearmen to break up the enemy lines, then the cavalry would outflank and finish the job. It was a strategy that worked almost anywhere - except in that tight squeeze through Thermopylae where only 50 men at most could fit through. They needed more space.
Wrong. Heavy persian armour emerged before the sassanids. After the Greek-Persian wars the persians developed their own version of the hoplite, the kardaka. It used the aspis shield and, depending on individual wealth, iron or bronze scale armour, or even linen armour (the poor warriors). Still they didnt become predominant on the battlefield. They were also used by the seleukid succesors and the parthians. And dont forget the parthian cathapracts with their scales, before the sassanids.
@susumu07 it also didn't work at Marathon or Plataea or Mycale and those weren't a tight squeeze like Thermopylae. You seem to be invested in this and sort of anti-Greek in your views...
Sparta had no code of human rights, even babies weren't safe from their own family - human life had no value to these people. Imagine being a Persian warrior at the time, you would think "WHAT ANIMALS THESE SPARTANS ARE... NO WRITTEN LAWS, NO BATHS, THEY KILL CHILDREN, 9/10 OF THEIR POPULATION IS ENSLAVED"...... you would have exactly the OPPOSITE impression as the makers of "300" are trying to brainwash you with.
Fact is, Persia was a FAR BETTER system that actually had freedom.
No you wouldnt. You would think "THESE SPARTANS CANT BE HUMAN, WE OUTNUMBER THEM 50-1 AND YET THEY HAVE SLAUGHTERED 20,000 OF OUR FINEST IN 2 DAYS!" The fact is, if the spartans were not betrayed, your "mighty" persians would have lost at thermopylae despite their huge army. You lost the war anyway, and so failed in your attempt to conquer the world. Yes, the spartans had their cruel ways, just like most cultures, but at least they didnt try and take over the world.
At the end of the day, the simple fact is the Persians got beat back time after time, by much fewer men, but men who WANTED to fight and die for THEIR OWN COUNTRY, not a group of nations under Persian control who were forced to fight for the greed of a king. The persians got what they deserved, and they still cannot accept defeat even to this day.
Democracy was in it's infancy. The Persian invasion forced the greeks to think about Unity. The final stand would rally the rest of the Greece to victory and suddenly democracy was on the horizon.
It was a crucial period in history. If Greece perishes so does democracy because it was such a radical concept for such barbarous times.
respect:)
It's true xerxes hated slavery however he did want to subjicate the known world under his rule. Surely this is slavery :)
that's nonsense. Who said Xerxes wanted to subjugate the world?
Persian empire gave their member states full human rights. And autonomy. They just had to follow the basic laws of justice and use the same money. Greeks living in Persian empire had more rights than in Greece, and much lower taxes. Herodotus, who hated Persians so much, chose to live THERE instead of Greece because there was freedom of speech. Nobody was "ostracized". Persians weren't molested in an Agoge either!
The fact that he had control over most of asia and set his sights on greece and the rest of europe pretty much proves he wanted the world. He thought he was a living god for crying out loud. Funny how you say "member" states as well, no one WANTED to be controlled by Persia, they werent "members" at all, they were OWNED. The countries under persian control were FORCED to fight when called upon. And if greeks had more rights, then why did they rebel?
Well to me, a ruler who conquers other peoples and have them do as he says is SLAVERY. Also 9/10 people who lived in Sparta were not slaves. To be honest, the Spartan helots had just a good life as a Spartan soldier really. It's hard to explain, but the Spartans didnt conquer people to have them as slaves as such, they needed the helots so that they could do nothing but train for war. Read the book "Gates Of Fire", about a outsider who goes to live in Sparta and starts out as a helot.
Don't be a fool. Helots were lower than animals to the spartans. You're right about them being essential for spartans to be full time warriors, but your 9/10 figure ACTUALLY refers to the helots - that's right, the HELOTS (slaves/serfs/subhumans) were actually 9/10 of the population.
Killing a helot was perfectly legal, even if you got caught, you would only be demoted not executed. Their lives were worthless to spartan warriors, and they were always revolting in response.
I sense someone has been on wikipedia. Actually, although yes, the helots were generally treated like dirt, they still had rights that alot of other slaves at the time did not, like they were allowed to marry and have personal possesions. And helots werent just killed at random, a group called the krypteia selected helots that showed disloyalty to sparta. And if you got caught you would suffer severe punishment. And 9/10 of the pop. was not just helots, there were also the perioikoi.
I love the 1962 movie ,but the pass in 480 BC was only 22 ft wide.Never forget the 700 thespians and the fact that helots were there on a 1/1 ratio.
MrBuddydan 1 year ago
I love the 1962 movie ,but the pass in 480 BC was only 22 ft wide.
MrBuddydan 1 year ago
this is an insult to the spartens
piratelover64 1 year ago
A much more respectful film than the modern '300'.
Iran88Arya 1 year ago 7
@Iran88Arya respectful?
DancingMonkey12 1 year ago
@DancingMonkey12 well, although we can all agree the modern 300 flim was totally awesome and cool. this 1962 film was much much more histroricly accurate in how the battle actually went down. But both films are fun to watch.
m1grand70 1 year ago
Thanks for the upload.
PersoAryanism 1 year ago 8
Spartans look just like Roman officers!
TheRomanRuler 1 year ago
Western propaganda... Is western propaganda <3....
HydratedProductions 1 year ago
I love how all the main characters have American accents
cromwell300 1 year ago
6:47 The counselor says: "The Spartans fight like machines!" How come that the ancient Persians, much less the Greek, know of machines which they can compare with warriors?
Daniel4646 1 year ago
It's like watching a really, really long movie trailer. But still a pretty good flick!
wilmanric1 1 year ago
The persians have WICKER shields!
adamdd03 1 year ago
classic
always
classic
icecream99ish 1 year ago
Hold on, wouldnt they understand the Greek at 1:53 - 1:56?
Since...you know...they are greek?
redslownight 1 year ago
the spartans do not ask how many but where they are
punongkahoy312 1 year ago
1 word.
COOL !
pooopoooooooo 1 year ago
vis, your eval of the 'why' concerning the legacy of the Greeks is spot-on. As for the rest of the rants here....some weird stuff for sure. I think most of you are spoiled to the max and couldn't even conceive of a West that has not been molded by both Hellenism and Judeo-Christianity.
oldcorps76 1 year ago
dont even look like spartans -.-
homeruu1lol 1 year ago
@homeruu1lol you expect too much from 1962...atlease they tried their best to do replicate it.
punongkahoy312 1 year ago
greece has destroyed orders and made orders. 1=atlantis. 2=trogans. 3=persians. 4=alexander defeat the persian empire. 5= byzantine empire 6= greece desided the outcome of ww2. the entire world is waking up and are looking at the hellenic spirit as inspiration to defeat the new world order world goverment. nothing can match the imortal hellenic spirit. freedom or death like the ancient spartans
themios72 1 year ago
Sparta was not a democracy. This American political propaganda takes away from the movie but its still enjoyable when one overlooks the BS attempt of the US in interject itself.
yosefbenyosef 1 year ago
look at the pyramids or triangles around xerxes throne= the new world order, these scum have been around from the days of babylon.
themios72 1 year ago
@themios72 Rather to have the Persians then u superstituous Christian millenialists. If u dont like Babylon then move out of the city and out of civilisation.
yosefbenyosef 1 year ago
@yosefbenyosef relax take it easy thats the new world order they have been around since the time of the talmud in babylon. we are living a babylian order of scum. nothing can match the imortal hellenic spirit, ancient greece is the light of the universe. hellenism will end up defeating zionism and its evil babylon system.
themios72 1 year ago
@themios72 OK. I got some of ur comments. The talk of New World Order is Judeo-Christian BS. The Persians and those others were not the problem though they contended with each other all of us have been diseased not by Babylon but by Judeo-Christianity. Yes. It was compiled in Babylon, even under Cyrus protection but it is not of the Achaemenids.
yosefbenyosef 1 year ago
@themios72 @themios72 We really have no argument as for Hellenism I always write OLYMPIAS in shouts because this is our hope as we are being marched to extinction not by any mysterious New World Order but a sickness thats been polluting for almost 2000 years.
yosefbenyosef 1 year ago
@themios72 Rather to have the Persians then u superstituous Christian millenialists. If u dont like Babylon then move out of the city and out of civilisation.
This is a movie made in Hollywood in 1962. So stop projecting ur spooky paranoid religious nonsense on what really happened at Thermopylae 2500 years ago.
yosefbenyosef 1 year ago
Can anyone tell me, what's the meaning of the Lambda on their shields?
steitisch 1 year ago
@steitisch It stands for Lacedaemon the name of their country and legendary founder.
yosefbenyosef 1 year ago
..this isn't 300.ffs
killer1014021 1 year ago
Still the Best 300 movie . . .
NassimHarameinVedas 1 year ago
:40 looks like Mel Brooks.
prototype21 2 years ago
Later Persian kings like Artaxerxes III bought off both Athens and Sparta at different points and paid both sides co pound each pther senseless during the later years of the Peloponnesian wars.
It worked a lot better than anything Xerxes had attempted. Greece basically kicked its own ass, which made it war weaker and easier to invade. But the Persians never managed to complete this task because Alexander beat them to it, and then started getting even more ambitious.
susumu07 2 years ago
Great movie,better than most made now,all tricks and computer technology will never ever replace the soul of the story and the great team of actors.Someday will visit the site of this remarkable event in Greece.
MrAkella 2 years ago
this lookslike a cartoon!
sakzaan 2 years ago
not evan in a phalanx!
g4aaaa 2 years ago
тупо тупой фильм))
alphapitbul 2 years ago
@alphapitbul
даже тогда смогли снять лучше чем сейчас
dream459 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
300 is way better
raftake 2 years ago
it is for this reason they say it was one of the most famous battles which ensured the trail which led to our western civilisation. without those few crucial stands going our way, we'd all be islamists, not that there's anything wrong with that.
visualintent 2 years ago
@visualintent ...ummmm....vis...I suggest you ask your Western-raised daughter, wife, or mother if 'there's anything wrong with that...' Of course, if you were a to-the-bone Islamist, you wouldn't *ask* any of those 'hers' anything.....
oldcorps76 1 year ago
@oldcorps76
Hi:) The reason i said there's nothing wrong with that was to ensure this would not turn into a hate video, with hate comments. Just wanted to concentrate on the fact :)
visualintent 1 year ago
@oldcorps76 .......NUKE MECCA.....
sssuperbikes 1 year ago
@visualintent Even the path to Islamism requires last stands. Look at Khandaq Battle...
baabaaer 1 year ago
why does everyone go on about sparta and democracy; the spartans loathed democracy.
maximuslaurius 2 years ago 3
because if the Ancient Greek states were enslaved in that particular period, it would have put a stop to ideas of democracy which hadnt evolved yet.. it was still a very radical idea for the time, and after the repulsion of the enemy a new psyche took hold of the grecian people, and a coming together, a solidarity... the path was clear now for democracy to evolve and peak... an enslaved ancient greece would not had the chance to revolutionise our world.
visualintent 2 years ago
@maximuslaurius good point , i read that two on bettany hugs ancient worlds, but she could be wrong becuase spartans did have money and she said they did not
AwsomWarrior 1 year ago
then we will fight in the shades
hoerejongde 2 years ago
Sparta was worse - always having to put down slave revolts. The reason they trained for war was so they could suppress the revolts and stay in power. Not the other way around. And though to their credit, Spartans were not interested in conquering other states like the Athenians were. Sparta basically wanted to be left alone, it was their dumb leaders who went along with Athens and its league and got swept into nationalist Persian-hating bigotry.
They were easily bought off though.
susumu07 2 years ago
But spartan "imperialism" would rise after the Peloponesian War, when they were hegemonous on all of Greece, and even allies with persian satraps against Athens.
darkdanu89 2 years ago
If it was only about conquering the world, Persian kings would not have practically invented human rights as we know it. (and no, democracy and human rights are not the same thing. Athens had some sort of rich men's club "democracy" but practically no protection of human rights. It was an unrestricted oligarchy which many times almost doomed itself to collapse.
susumu07 2 years ago
Greece has never been easy to conquer. Too hilly and not much in the way of natural resources for a big army to live off. Though the Turks did a fairly decent job of it. Though Persians were liberators, not invaders. Every Spartan-lover should know that Athens started this whole mess by hijacking Persian trade ships and destroying Zoroastrian shrines in an attempt to trigger a crackdown by the King and cause a Greek nationalist revolt. Plutarch and Xenophon both talk of it.
some scores fester.
susumu07 2 years ago
It's debatable. The actions of Athens can also be seen as an attempt to liberate their Asia Minor colonies. Mostly the persians actions started it, when they conquered the colonies in the first place.
darkdanu89 2 years ago
Persians were faster but had worse armor.... Heavy persian armor didn't show up until the Sassanids dynasty. The early persian soldiers like at Thermopylae, were all about speed and archery. They used arrows to thin enemy ranks and then sent in spearmen to break up the enemy lines, then the cavalry would outflank and finish the job. It was a strategy that worked almost anywhere - except in that tight squeeze through Thermopylae where only 50 men at most could fit through. They needed more space.
susumu07 2 years ago
Wrong. Heavy persian armour emerged before the sassanids. After the Greek-Persian wars the persians developed their own version of the hoplite, the kardaka. It used the aspis shield and, depending on individual wealth, iron or bronze scale armour, or even linen armour (the poor warriors). Still they didnt become predominant on the battlefield. They were also used by the seleukid succesors and the parthians. And dont forget the parthian cathapracts with their scales, before the sassanids.
darkdanu89 2 years ago
@susumu07 it also didn't work at Marathon or Plataea or Mycale and those weren't a tight squeeze like Thermopylae. You seem to be invested in this and sort of anti-Greek in your views...
komninosm 1 year ago
Lol what´s the big difrens in fighting skills? They are all just standing there. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL................
chrstilen5 2 years ago
Sparta had no code of human rights, even babies weren't safe from their own family - human life had no value to these people. Imagine being a Persian warrior at the time, you would think "WHAT ANIMALS THESE SPARTANS ARE... NO WRITTEN LAWS, NO BATHS, THEY KILL CHILDREN, 9/10 OF THEIR POPULATION IS ENSLAVED"...... you would have exactly the OPPOSITE impression as the makers of "300" are trying to brainwash you with.
Fact is, Persia was a FAR BETTER system that actually had freedom.
susumu07 2 years ago
No you wouldnt. You would think "THESE SPARTANS CANT BE HUMAN, WE OUTNUMBER THEM 50-1 AND YET THEY HAVE SLAUGHTERED 20,000 OF OUR FINEST IN 2 DAYS!" The fact is, if the spartans were not betrayed, your "mighty" persians would have lost at thermopylae despite their huge army. You lost the war anyway, and so failed in your attempt to conquer the world. Yes, the spartans had their cruel ways, just like most cultures, but at least they didnt try and take over the world.
robelwell88 2 years ago
At the end of the day, the simple fact is the Persians got beat back time after time, by much fewer men, but men who WANTED to fight and die for THEIR OWN COUNTRY, not a group of nations under Persian control who were forced to fight for the greed of a king. The persians got what they deserved, and they still cannot accept defeat even to this day.
robelwell88 2 years ago
LMAO thank god film making has developed. This is ridiculous.
ktraining 2 years ago
persians here more realistic -then in new film 300....
vlad9vt 2 years ago 2
kidding?
whole story is more realistic
Pyco0I0uJI 2 years ago
And the city witch greeks burnd to the ground was Ionya in modern turky...
pishgaman 2 years ago
Xerxes wanted to panish Greec because they supported rebels who burned a city under persian rule in modern Turky 25 years earlier.
pishgaman 2 years ago
Thank you very much for both posting this and for taking out the dull scenes and leaving only the important ones :D
darkdanu89 2 years ago
Democracy was in it's infancy. The Persian invasion forced the greeks to think about Unity. The final stand would rally the rest of the Greece to victory and suddenly democracy was on the horizon.
It was a crucial period in history. If Greece perishes so does democracy because it was such a radical concept for such barbarous times.
respect:)
It's true xerxes hated slavery however he did want to subjicate the known world under his rule. Surely this is slavery :)
visualintent 3 years ago
that's nonsense. Who said Xerxes wanted to subjugate the world?
Persian empire gave their member states full human rights. And autonomy. They just had to follow the basic laws of justice and use the same money. Greeks living in Persian empire had more rights than in Greece, and much lower taxes. Herodotus, who hated Persians so much, chose to live THERE instead of Greece because there was freedom of speech. Nobody was "ostracized". Persians weren't molested in an Agoge either!
susumu07 2 years ago
The fact that he had control over most of asia and set his sights on greece and the rest of europe pretty much proves he wanted the world. He thought he was a living god for crying out loud. Funny how you say "member" states as well, no one WANTED to be controlled by Persia, they werent "members" at all, they were OWNED. The countries under persian control were FORCED to fight when called upon. And if greeks had more rights, then why did they rebel?
robelwell88 2 years ago
Spartans did NOT have democracy. They were an oligarchy. And 9/10 of their inhabitants were SLAVES.
Xerxes actually HATED slavery. These guys totally lied about the history.
susumu07 3 years ago
Well to me, a ruler who conquers other peoples and have them do as he says is SLAVERY. Also 9/10 people who lived in Sparta were not slaves. To be honest, the Spartan helots had just a good life as a Spartan soldier really. It's hard to explain, but the Spartans didnt conquer people to have them as slaves as such, they needed the helots so that they could do nothing but train for war. Read the book "Gates Of Fire", about a outsider who goes to live in Sparta and starts out as a helot.
robelwell88 2 years ago
Don't be a fool. Helots were lower than animals to the spartans. You're right about them being essential for spartans to be full time warriors, but your 9/10 figure ACTUALLY refers to the helots - that's right, the HELOTS (slaves/serfs/subhumans) were actually 9/10 of the population.
Killing a helot was perfectly legal, even if you got caught, you would only be demoted not executed. Their lives were worthless to spartan warriors, and they were always revolting in response.
susumu07 2 years ago
I sense someone has been on wikipedia. Actually, although yes, the helots were generally treated like dirt, they still had rights that alot of other slaves at the time did not, like they were allowed to marry and have personal possesions. And helots werent just killed at random, a group called the krypteia selected helots that showed disloyalty to sparta. And if you got caught you would suffer severe punishment. And 9/10 of the pop. was not just helots, there were also the perioikoi.
robelwell88 2 years ago