Can someone tell me if Jonny Wilkinson was in this video or not?
Jonny is actually playing in my city (Toulon, France), and Tana Umaga played in too, and I would like to know if someday they played versus each other or not. And if they did, does it exist a haka video of that?
No I'm pretty sure I got it, you need to be born in a country where you have at least 3 gens of heritage to play for that country. Here's a curly one then, Andrew Merhtens, one of the best ABs ever. Both parents from NZ (lots of gens like you said) but he was born in Sth Africa and moved to NZ when he was 1. Can't play for NZ coz he's born in SA, can't play for SA coz he doesn't have 3 gens. I guess he just shouldn't have played : )
it just shows the diversity of the country. there is nothing wrong about being raised in another country. i mean look at what U.S has done to hawaii. we just have to respect the space and culture of the natives but dont be like the u.s and try to wipe them out. u.s is still considered the melting pot of the world because of the many ethnicities it has. thats why new zealand, austrailia and many countries are trying to be like that.
I heard that one time the english TURNED THEIR backs on the all blacks when they were doing the haka...thats so disrespectful,i thought the english were better than that!lol
ha ha ha bardthebowman is so fuuny.just as funny as when the british came to try and take over nz and never went back(killed) but the rest went to ozzy as convicts now thats a funny joke hahaha...idiot.
Haha, yeah, I'm sure nobody questions the Ethnic descent of Jason Robinson saelaird. Half of the ranks in your National Championships are filled with Nzer's anyway, I can't blame you though...we are the bomb-diggity.
mate, joson robinson was BORN in England, never said he wasn't descended from both England an/or Africa. Just making the point that half the N/Z squad were born elsewhere! You from samoa yourself?
Most are born in nz or have lived there since they were very young. there are more pacific islanders living in auckland than anywhere else in the world.
That aint even true!!! like maybe 4 of the squad was born over seas... and did you know that more then half of the samoan national team was born in NZ?
They aint New Zealand, They're all from bloody samoa and tonga! They have essentially IMPORTED a very good FOREIGN line-up.
Its political, technical stuff im afraid. They are very very good at rugby. but complacent against the french and deserved to be sent home with their tails between their legs!
At least English rugby players are born in England.
For sure a few ABs were born in the Islands but they grew up in NZ. Like Mils moved to NZ when he was 2 and Joe when he was 5. But what about a few of the English players?? Matt Stevens born and raised in Sth Africa, Simon Shaw born in Kenya, not to mention Lesley Vainikolo born in Tonga and raised in good old NZ. Don't be too quick to judge....
That was sort of my point, they ARE raised in NZ. It's like saying George Gregan ain't Australian coz he's born in Zambia, even though he grew up in Oz. I think you'll find all teams have some foreign born players - it's called immigration. And fyi there's a NZer in Welsh team, the Irish team, the wallabies and a couple in the Italian team. Has been some in the French in the past (not sure about now though) and also many NZ born players in the Samoan and other Island teams.
NZ have FAR more players that would be considered "imports" than any other national side! This is my point, I never claimed NZ were the only team including foreign-born players.
I'm not missing your point - it's just a bit flawed. You can't consider players to be "imported" when they have grown up in a country. Imported players are one's that have grown up and learnt their rugby elsewhere and then been drafted into a national team, someone like Lesley Vainikolo. I can see how you could jump to that conclusion by checking player bio's, but fyi last year there were 8 ABs (out of 30) born outside of NZ, and all of them moved to NZ when they were school aged or younger.
Are you serious?!!! What exactly is NZ blood? Does that mean only Maori can play? There are few NZers whose families go back very far, it is a young country. First wave of settlers were British and Irish, then in the early 20th century lots of Yugoslav and germans, then in the past 20-30 years lots of pacific islanders and more lately many asians. Not unlike britain, NZ is made up of many different people, which of them by your rules should be allowed to represent their country?
Well I guess almost none of them are NZers then. And I guess I'm not either since one of my parents is eastern european and one from elsewhere in the pacific. I guess I should just pick one of their countries to be my nationality even though I've never lived there! And I guess Lawrence Dallaglio isn't English, since his parents are Italian/Irish. Oh and half of Englands football team aren't either, doubt they go back 4 gens? Don't you see how ignorant that sounds????
No I don't see how it is ignorant. I would say that until your grandchildren arive, you should represent that Eastern European country.
If I move to South Africa to study medicine for 5 years, should I be eligible to represent SA against England??? No of course not. My point cannot be argued with!
I appreciate migration happens, but we must maintain an element of selective call-ups based on national heritige.
Well what an EXCELLENT point. Lawrence Dallaglio, one of Englands greatest players, who was born, grew up and learnt his rugby in England, shouldn't be considered English - I'm sure he (and most of England) would be well pleased about that! And of course I should represent a country I have never lived in, and don't speak the language for. Your logic is astounding (I'm sure you'd get good enough grades to study medicine??). Well done!
Mate if you don't get it, I don't think I can make it any clearer. By your reasoning many prominent NZers are "a sham". Like Ernest Rutherford, parents are English. And Edmund Hillary (his grandparents are from Yorkshire) so I guess England conquered Everest? And Anand Satyanand (Governor General) was born in Akl but his parents were Fijian, so maybe he should be their GG? Oh except he's Indo-Fijian (grandparents from India) so I suppose he should go to India, unless it only applies to rugby?
Why should he have played for Italy and not Ireland? He was half Irish after all. The fact is many people have a claim to more than one nationality, that is a result of today's more integrated world. They should be able to represent whom THEY choose, not you. Of course you shouldn't be able to go to SA for 5 years and be selected, but there's a big difference between immigrating when you're an adult and growing up in a country. In any case, I'm done arguing with you about this.
How do you "import" a 2 year old child? And just some other stats for you, Australia also had 8 born out of OZ, Scotland has 9, Samoa had 14 kiwi born players, and Italy had 15 (mostly argentinian) players in their WC squad.
What you said was NZ had far more foreign born players than anyone else. Not true as I showed you with Aussie/Scotland/Samoa and Italy. 8 out of 30 is not most is it????
You're right, we do. I don't consider ANY of them foreign, since they were brought up in NZ. But you said they were BORN elsewhere, so I'm telling you that only 8 of them were.
Awesome stuff! Haka performed by the New Zealand teams since 1884. 123 years of proud Kiwi tradition. Stay Hard! Stay Black! All Blacks! All Blacks Forever!!!
Was it Glen Cockerill (I think, but prob wrong?) who went nose to nose with one of them during the haka? If anyone had that and could put that up that would be awesome
Anyone that thinks this is not scary try stand in front of a group of mouri's doing it and i garantee you will not be saying its not scary. This thing is Insane (as in awsome(lol)).
I thought the swing low reply to the haka was great! Shows that us english take pride in our rugby! better than our crappy footballers that get payed way too much just to kick a ball round (and dive!). where as these guys play a proper sport and they aint afraid to get hurt whilst doin it!
Opening match of the Lion's Tour two years ago I think it was. England capn made a response, after haka was finished, by picking up a blade of grass and letting it go to drift in the wind. Two minutes into the game he was spear tackled and was carted of with busted up shoulder. That was for a symbolistic response, laughing would probably not be a good idea hehe.
they would get absolutely smashed, all blacks take serious pride in the haka and if they're mocked they take it to heart, just look at what happened to O'Driscoll
Hi,
Can someone tell me if Jonny Wilkinson was in this video or not?
Jonny is actually playing in my city (Toulon, France), and Tana Umaga played in too, and I would like to know if someday they played versus each other or not. And if they did, does it exist a haka video of that?
Thank you.
TonyCrow 1 year ago
We'll match em, send in the morris dancers!!! The bells of doom!!!
nickmann2111 2 years ago
NZ is a multi cultural country...
We are the voice and power of the South Pacific...
Southern Hemisphere..we are the innovators of WORLD RUGBY..
Pommys are jus a bunch of fags that cant play 4 shit.
MistaPasifika 2 years ago
@MistaPasifika i thought Rugby, was from Rugby in England, you thick Cunt!
dan32113 1 year ago
ahahahahah
underezechiele 2 years ago
i love rugby
andrewr2009 2 years ago 4
I don't care what anyone says, the allblacks are awesome and i'm american, born and raised here with a dumb accent
partyoverhear 3 years ago 11
KiwiNJ does not understand my point everyone.
saelaird 4 years ago
No I'm pretty sure I got it, you need to be born in a country where you have at least 3 gens of heritage to play for that country. Here's a curly one then, Andrew Merhtens, one of the best ABs ever. Both parents from NZ (lots of gens like you said) but he was born in Sth Africa and moved to NZ when he was 1. Can't play for NZ coz he's born in SA, can't play for SA coz he doesn't have 3 gens. I guess he just shouldn't have played : )
KiwiNJ 4 years ago
You are taking my points out of context.
When I said "born" of course I was referring to "having been brought up there" by parents who have a family heritage for a couple of generations.
It matters not where a player happens to have exited the womb!
saelaird 4 years ago
it just shows the diversity of the country. there is nothing wrong about being raised in another country. i mean look at what U.S has done to hawaii. we just have to respect the space and culture of the natives but dont be like the u.s and try to wipe them out. u.s is still considered the melting pot of the world because of the many ethnicities it has. thats why new zealand, austrailia and many countries are trying to be like that.
lttp123 4 years ago
typical american attitude, no 1 wants to be like you.
UHtiger 4 years ago 2
I heard that one time the english TURNED THEIR backs on the all blacks when they were doing the haka...thats so disrespectful,i thought the english were better than that!lol
Supermouse92 4 years ago
ha ha ha bardthebowman is so fuuny.just as funny as when the british came to try and take over nz and never went back(killed) but the rest went to ozzy as convicts now thats a funny joke hahaha...idiot.
deelua 4 years ago
Q. What's the difference between the All Blacks and a tea bag?
A. The tea bag lasts longer in the cup!
BardTheBowman101 4 years ago 2
True, true.
saelaird 4 years ago
they funny
parK9 4 years ago
scary fuckers
englandftw111 4 years ago
Haha, yeah, I'm sure nobody questions the Ethnic descent of Jason Robinson saelaird. Half of the ranks in your National Championships are filled with Nzer's anyway, I can't blame you though...we are the bomb-diggity.
hamu09 4 years ago
mate, joson robinson was BORN in England, never said he wasn't descended from both England an/or Africa. Just making the point that half the N/Z squad were born elsewhere! You from samoa yourself?
saelaird 4 years ago
Most are born in nz or have lived there since they were very young. there are more pacific islanders living in auckland than anywhere else in the world.
steve10ton 4 years ago
That aint even true!!! like maybe 4 of the squad was born over seas... and did you know that more then half of the samoan national team was born in NZ?
trigah01 4 years ago
Sounds like one big mish-mash to me. Why not just call yourself "lower oceana" or something!
Disgusing
saelaird 4 years ago
"Most are born in NZ"
Thats simply not true, refer to the teams squad page and look at the individual player bio's.
saelaird 4 years ago
They aint New Zealand, They're all from bloody samoa and tonga! They have essentially IMPORTED a very good FOREIGN line-up.
Its political, technical stuff im afraid. They are very very good at rugby. but complacent against the french and deserved to be sent home with their tails between their legs!
At least English rugby players are born in England.
saelaird 4 years ago
couldn't agree more.
blobbym 4 years ago
For saelaird.
For sure a few ABs were born in the Islands but they grew up in NZ. Like Mils moved to NZ when he was 2 and Joe when he was 5. But what about a few of the English players?? Matt Stevens born and raised in Sth Africa, Simon Shaw born in Kenya, not to mention Lesley Vainikolo born in Tonga and raised in good old NZ. Don't be too quick to judge....
KiwiNJ 4 years ago
Of course, I cannot ever claim EVERY player in the English squad was born in England.
I am talking about 'averages'
On average, the NZ squad seems to be built around men born and raised in Tongo/Samoa.
There are native New Zealanders in there obviously, what I'm saying is that NZ has many more "foreign" players than your average side.
saelaird 4 years ago
That was sort of my point, they ARE raised in NZ. It's like saying George Gregan ain't Australian coz he's born in Zambia, even though he grew up in Oz. I think you'll find all teams have some foreign born players - it's called immigration. And fyi there's a NZer in Welsh team, the Irish team, the wallabies and a couple in the Italian team. Has been some in the French in the past (not sure about now though) and also many NZ born players in the Samoan and other Island teams.
KiwiNJ 4 years ago
I understand what you are saying, and I agree.
You are missing my point is all.
NZ have FAR more players that would be considered "imports" than any other national side! This is my point, I never claimed NZ were the only team including foreign-born players.
saelaird 4 years ago
I'm not missing your point - it's just a bit flawed. You can't consider players to be "imported" when they have grown up in a country. Imported players are one's that have grown up and learnt their rugby elsewhere and then been drafted into a national team, someone like Lesley Vainikolo. I can see how you could jump to that conclusion by checking player bio's, but fyi last year there were 8 ABs (out of 30) born outside of NZ, and all of them moved to NZ when they were school aged or younger.
KiwiNJ 4 years ago
My point isn't flawed at all!
Why do they move to NZ whilst young? To be educated in NZ? Bollocks do they!
They go to try to play for the all-blacks.
Lets face it, the frankly unwarranted prestige of the team draws many young players from all over oceana.
Most of the NZ are not of NZ blood, this is my point. The age they were when they moved to NZ is irrelevant.
saelaird 4 years ago
Are you serious?!!! What exactly is NZ blood? Does that mean only Maori can play? There are few NZers whose families go back very far, it is a young country. First wave of settlers were British and Irish, then in the early 20th century lots of Yugoslav and germans, then in the past 20-30 years lots of pacific islanders and more lately many asians. Not unlike britain, NZ is made up of many different people, which of them by your rules should be allowed to represent their country?
KiwiNJ 4 years ago
Maori or the descendants of the European settlers.
Perhaps back 3 or 4 generations?
saelaird 4 years ago
Well I guess almost none of them are NZers then. And I guess I'm not either since one of my parents is eastern european and one from elsewhere in the pacific. I guess I should just pick one of their countries to be my nationality even though I've never lived there! And I guess Lawrence Dallaglio isn't English, since his parents are Italian/Irish. Oh and half of Englands football team aren't either, doubt they go back 4 gens? Don't you see how ignorant that sounds????
KiwiNJ 4 years ago
No I don't see how it is ignorant. I would say that until your grandchildren arive, you should represent that Eastern European country.
If I move to South Africa to study medicine for 5 years, should I be eligible to represent SA against England??? No of course not. My point cannot be argued with!
I appreciate migration happens, but we must maintain an element of selective call-ups based on national heritige.
Dallaglio should be playing for Italy.
saelaird 4 years ago
Well what an EXCELLENT point. Lawrence Dallaglio, one of Englands greatest players, who was born, grew up and learnt his rugby in England, shouldn't be considered English - I'm sure he (and most of England) would be well pleased about that! And of course I should represent a country I have never lived in, and don't speak the language for. Your logic is astounding (I'm sure you'd get good enough grades to study medicine??). Well done!
KiwiNJ 4 years ago
I'm not going to allow my academic credentials to be targeted! I am studying acoustic engineering as it happens and am getting fine grades.
My logic is fine thank you.
I do feel Dallaglio should have played for Italy... what's wrong with that viewpoint???
saelaird 4 years ago
Mate if you don't get it, I don't think I can make it any clearer. By your reasoning many prominent NZers are "a sham". Like Ernest Rutherford, parents are English. And Edmund Hillary (his grandparents are from Yorkshire) so I guess England conquered Everest? And Anand Satyanand (Governor General) was born in Akl but his parents were Fijian, so maybe he should be their GG? Oh except he's Indo-Fijian (grandparents from India) so I suppose he should go to India, unless it only applies to rugby?
KiwiNJ 4 years ago
Yes... many are a sham.
saelaird 4 years ago
Why should he have played for Italy and not Ireland? He was half Irish after all. The fact is many people have a claim to more than one nationality, that is a result of today's more integrated world. They should be able to represent whom THEY choose, not you. Of course you shouldn't be able to go to SA for 5 years and be selected, but there's a big difference between immigrating when you're an adult and growing up in a country. In any case, I'm done arguing with you about this.
KiwiNJ 4 years ago
Yes I'm done too.
I agree that in today's world it is difficult to define what nationality a player is...
However I feel that the deliberate migration to a particular country in order to play for a national side is disgraceful.
I think NZ has a lot of this happening.
saelaird 4 years ago
Abd dodos aren't extinct!
Vazah1978 4 years ago
They are I think.
saelaird 4 years ago
How do you "import" a 2 year old child? And just some other stats for you, Australia also had 8 born out of OZ, Scotland has 9, Samoa had 14 kiwi born players, and Italy had 15 (mostly argentinian) players in their WC squad.
KiwiNJ 4 years ago
I'm not saying it doesn't happen elsewhere!
NZ squad is FULL of individuals not from NZ. Simple as that.
saelaird 4 years ago
What you said was NZ had far more foreign born players than anyone else. Not true as I showed you with Aussie/Scotland/Samoa and Italy. 8 out of 30 is not most is it????
KiwiNJ 4 years ago
I think we differ on what we consider "foreign".
In that respect, our numbers are different.
saelaird 4 years ago
You're right, we do. I don't consider ANY of them foreign, since they were brought up in NZ. But you said they were BORN elsewhere, so I'm telling you that only 8 of them were.
KiwiNJ 4 years ago
They are foreign, by any measure. They should have family heritage in that nation for at least 3 generations in my opinion.
The NZ squad is a sham, not unlike other teams but more pronounced.
NZ rely on their rugby prestige to attract talented players from other countries... they should be playing for their native teams simple as that!
saelaird 4 years ago
Bet ye the english fannys were shittin their pants
stuart123456789 4 years ago
cough cough chokers
fonejackers 4 years ago
Awesome stuff! Haka performed by the New Zealand teams since 1884. 123 years of proud Kiwi tradition. Stay Hard! Stay Black! All Blacks! All Blacks Forever!!!
Anzac1974 4 years ago
im english but if i could be from any other country it would be new zeeland because of dt looool
spakawill 4 years ago
Was it Glen Cockerill (I think, but prob wrong?) who went nose to nose with one of them during the haka? If anyone had that and could put that up that would be awesome
stuey21uk 4 years ago
That wasnt the england captain it was the Ireland captain who had his shoulder busted. O'Driscall not that shore how to spell it!
magpiemaxwwell 4 years ago
Brian O'Driscoll ^^
StandCorrected 4 years ago
Cup-of-tea, cup-of-tea, sugar and milk! We'll see them choke in the World Cup again!
rustytbone2 4 years ago
take that brits!!!
lol
talissin 4 years ago
Anyone that thinks this is not scary try stand in front of a group of mouri's doing it and i garantee you will not be saying its not scary. This thing is Insane (as in awsome(lol)).
BigYazz 4 years ago
I thought the swing low reply to the haka was great! Shows that us english take pride in our rugby! better than our crappy footballers that get payed way too much just to kick a ball round (and dive!). where as these guys play a proper sport and they aint afraid to get hurt whilst doin it!
gremlins6136 5 years ago
I've always wondered, what would be to happen if the apposing team laughed at this 'Haka' while they were doing it?
durtypsds 5 years ago
Opening match of the Lion's Tour two years ago I think it was. England capn made a response, after haka was finished, by picking up a blade of grass and letting it go to drift in the wind. Two minutes into the game he was spear tackled and was carted of with busted up shoulder. That was for a symbolistic response, laughing would probably not be a good idea hehe.
branahan 4 years ago
Haha. I'm English but that's great
durtypsds 4 years ago
apparently it was a sign of respect but it wasn't taken like that by Tana Umaga, he's pretty mean lol
StandCorrected 4 years ago
they would get absolutely smashed, all blacks take serious pride in the haka and if they're mocked they take it to heart, just look at what happened to O'Driscoll
StandCorrected 4 years ago
Lol, obviously you've never seen a rugby match. Wimps they are not. And yep, Los is tops, one of the best ever!
xmyevaline 5 years ago
Surely that isn't supposed to be scary??!! I always knew rugby players were wimps.
thesowismine 5 years ago
It's called showing respect for your countries history and traditions mate.
Something we Brits rarely do, and care to name a better English sport than rugby? Football? *laughs*
durtypsds 5 years ago
carlos spencer is ace
cocopop999 5 years ago
lol no he's just ugly mate
chrisdjaelani 5 years ago
thompson looks likes hes shitting a brick
garethskate 5 years ago