Igor Strawinsky: Dumbarton Oaks (1+2 mvmt)

[drakan80]

Recently heard an orchestra do a very poor job of this piece. Quite unfortunate, but at least I have this video to recover!

[ferdinangenius]

maths ....

[ivykwan]

the music starts @1:39

[BuckshotLaFunke1]

My perfect transcendental music.

[jab53100]

he would as, although stravinskys music is totally strict and precise, the harmonic language is totally against the grain of repose and cadence that bach wrote with.

[jab53100]

i think "genius" and "unique" are being bandied around here a bit. both bach and stravinsky were simply men who, having learnt the music from before,found a niche in the market, and so brought music further in to its own evolution... if anything stravinsky is a very innovative mimic and im sure if you look closely at Bach's work he also borrowed extensively from contemporaries and predecessors.. it is extremely presumptuous to suggest that Bach would understand Stravinsky's music. i highly doubt

[ferdinangenius]

@jab53100

That you have said does not change the fact that they did it all that in such degree of beauty and perfection that are entitled to be called geniuses.

[daggeriar918]

i'm gunna be conducting this in Jan of next year. i'm soo looking forward to it

[gagamin2]

I love this!!!!

[MrColMC]

I've been playing crap for so long sometimes I just let my hands go where they want to go. Of course that doesn't amount to what the genius delivers in this piece but to me it says ' I've made the breach in human perception, go on my son have a go and see what you can do!

[jaredthree]

I too love Bach, and Stravinksy is badass. But i think Bach, with his baroque era ears would not have been able to sit through this.

[aufzuleiden987]

@jaredthree I think Bach, with his complete understanding of music, would be able to appreciate the well crafted nature of any masterpiece, recognizing that Stravinsky had produced just that: a work of enduring quality that was worthy of his respect. Bach, above all else, was a musician - a man who understood that music is made by people - like himself. Composers are often surprisingly generous when it comes to praising the works of others. Take it from a composer - I know.

[noiseinthevoid]

@aufzuleiden987 I am also a composer, albeit an inexperienced one at this one, but i will be doing it for the rest of my life. Anyways i think the judgement of other peoples works depends largely on the person who is perceiving them. I'm sure beethoven was often a harsh judge of peoples music for example. Also for anyone to enjoy any given piece of music they must develop a schema in their minds for appreciating that type music. And existing in the baroque era it is unlikely that Bach would...

[aufzuleiden987]

@noiseinthevoid You cannot expect to have Bach assess another century's music with the aesthetic of a different period. First of all, it is neo-classical, not neo-baroque; secondly, Stravinsky never claimed to be emulating the style of Bach, nor would he be so presumptuous. Stravinsky was Stravinsky - unique unto himself, not requiring the accolades of past-dead masters to validate their works. Besides, don't you think Bach deserves more credit than you're giving him? I think he does.

[noiseinthevoid]

@aufzuleiden987 First of all, I give Bach all the credit in the world, he's one of my favourite composers and a towering genius. Secondly in even speculating about what Bach might think of this piece without explicitly stating otherwise we are operating under the pre-tense that Bach is Bach with his barocque ears. By the way in the opening of this piece is basically a quote from Brandenburg concerto number three; neo classical, doesn't refer exclusively to the classical period.

[noiseinthevoid]

@aufzuleiden987 .... would have developed such a schema to appreciate this kind of music. But i also think that given opportunity of exposure Bach would have been one of the first to embrace and contribute to neo classical music. But anyways this is all speculation. (by the way I am the same person as Jaredthree)

[aufzuleiden987]

@noiseinthevoid Well, Whether or not Beethoven was a harsh critic & whether Bach would have or could have appreciated this piece are two different things. Beethoven was a great artist: he would have appreciated any well crafted work, in the context of its time. As a composer in the 20th century Beethoven would have had a totally different character than the one we know from having been born in the Classical period. The same can be said for Bach's aesthetic.

[drgabrielsoileau]

Where can I find the 3rd movement?

[drgabrielsoileau]

This is a work of genius!

[dazamaru]

ahhh...Id take this over Bach anyday....Bach is truly overrated, in my eyes....this is music with life, variety....

[edwinstar100]

This is so lovely, and transporting. Stravinsky takes us to places Bach could not have imagined, Bach would happily go with us now!

[carrielamont]

A lovely performance of one of my favorite pieces of 20th century music. If you don't like Stravinsky, you don't have to click on the "play" button.

Composers have to keep composing, and even if we could do it, the world doesn't really need Bach, the Sequel.  How does a great composer (such as Stravinsky) respond to the existence of Jazz? Of Debussy, or Schoenberg, or the fact that he too loves Bach (and has clearly studied him fairly intensively)? He writes a tribute in his own style.

[yourforte]

ZoeEGrace, I prefer 'real' baroque music more too. I'd rather listen to a Bach Brandenburg than to this. Nevertheless I'd rather listen to neo-baroque than to a lot of other stuff that was contemporaneous with this. Ah, but doesn't it make you long to hear Bach though? Bach sounds so natural and fluid compared with this. I wonder how we would hear neo-baroque if we weren't already acquainted with baroque.

[drgabrielsoileau]

I love Bach,but Stravinsky takes music to a whole new level. You have to listen beyond the dissonant notes to what the composer is actually trying to say. Stravinsky meant for this piece to sound rigid and unnatural. That's what makes it and most of his music, so special and unique. I think Bach would have enjoyed it!

[yourforte]

I'm not clear that Stravinsky meant his neo-classical music to sound 'rigid and unnatural'. That it does indeed sound rigid and unnatural says something about our perception of it rather than the intention I think. Dumbarton Oaks isn't more dissonant than, say, a Bach Brandenburg; the difference lies in the way dissonance is treated and the way in which the musical gestures are pressed home.

[kjtenthousand]

Both Bach and Stravinsky are masters of "musical thinking" (which Bach learned from Vivaldi). And they are both masters of counterpoint and harmony! (And being later in Western culture, Stravinsky has a wonderful sense of rhythm. His music has such "balls", for a classical composer!)

[pviola314]

no this is a wonderful piece without a doubt

[menezessimone]

it´s a good interpretation, however, like many records, there is a rhythm mistake in the first mouvement between 18 and 19...

[ZoeEGrace]

That's a silly comment. Stravinsky experimented with various styles including Schoenberg's Twelve Tone method, Blues and Ragtime but he wrote a lot of fairly conventional stuff. This is his 'neo-Baroque' Concerto in E Flat. It's obviously modern but has some characteristics of Bach. Personally, I prefer 'real' Baroque music but then we can't all like the same.

[hellunder]

I guess that's stravinsky for trailer-trash like yourself.

[BaalAsera]

Your comment speaks about yourself; not Stravinsky.

[youtert]

What was my comment, anyway? Youtube seems to be permanently deleting any comment marked down 5 or more.

[jezjizi]

You have to change the settings at the top of the comment column in order to see it (Show: poor). And your comment was OK, just that some people misunderstood it, I guess.

[BernardProfitendieu]

I'll bet a lot of things take you a minute to figure out, don't they?

I guess that's the short bus for you.