@buybulkwhey Will do. Just signed up for a new gym thaty will open soon so I will train at home for a few more weeks. Will be starting diet Tomorrow. I will need some motivation though.
I too am a huge proponent for Heavy Duty style h.i.t.
Did you two guys alternate turns training muscle groups i.e. you-chest/him-chest/you-back/him-back? Also did you always use 4-2-4 cause I seen sometimes a 3-1-3 or 3-1-4? All good stuff guys. God Bless.
you guys need to get another video up their awesome... quick question though how come you guys don't use free weights on most exercises isn't that always recommended i mean you guys are clearly in good enough shape to handle them.
@Visalia13 - We wanted to follow the exact workout prescribed in HIGH INTENSITY TRAINING THE MIKE MENTZER WAY and that's what was detailed in the ideal routine. I use to be a hardcore free weight guy, but now I will do anything as long as it gets great results!!! thanks for coming on board.
4. Finally another trick that helps and has been suggested by authors and online contributors is to drop the isolation movement once in a while and to perform just the compound movement(s) for one workout before going back to the isolation - compound cycle - allows for lesser inroad and enhanced recovery. I would just try my previous suggestions before switching to consolidation or reducing your frequency too much. Great gains by the way and keep on posting your videos.
3. Finally - switch up exercises - we all reach temporary limits on exercises - I've found through my own experience and through the writings of Dante Trudel that switching movements is crucial. I recall a time I hit a plateau on a cable x over and incline hammer strength plateau at 100lbs/side on the x overs and 310 on the incline, changed the x overs to pec dec and the incline to the dip machine kept on progressing and when i came back to the original movements i shattered the plateau ..try it
2. The solution to a plateau isn't necessarily the consolidation routine - not until trainees are at very advanced strength should that be implemented. In HIT the MM way he says that no one advanced intensity technique should not be used exclusively - that applies to pre exhaust as well - so instead of super-setting performing the sets separately will help overcome a plateau as well - e.g. warm up on the incline bench - do 1 set of pec dec to failure rest and then 1 set of incline to failure
Great stuff as usual guys. I thought your final blog post and fidings were extremely interesting. Here's a few thoughts of my own from using HIT extensively over the past several years.
1. There rest days should be added between workouts but only up to a point. I don't know if it's deconditioning or a loss of neuromuscular efficiency that happens but beyond 'x' amount of rest trainees start to regress - 'x' of course varies from individual to individual.
@kabhattacharya I have been thinking about his as well.... is it possible that there are other physiological components at work as well. the HIT MM WAY you develop so much strength and size that is really not natural and perhaps if the body gets enough time off in between workouts it is trying to achieve it's natural equilibrium. I don't know... but I may report my personal experience on the Boise Experiment for 2011.
Great seeing such terrific equipment being utilized so well. Those are some LOW reps on the compound chest movement. How about some negatives at the end to batter those pecs? Again, very cool using pre-exhaustion to its fullest.
I got some questions, Why pulldowns instead of pull-ups? Why do you do sumo style deadlifts and he dose them legs in. Whats it like to lift with a guy that strong? I'm usually the strong guy but I got nothin on him, lol .
@tazzpower Ok, good questions. First - pullodowns vs pullups. you could probably go either way, but I feel like pullups involves more of the body whereas pulldowns seem to isolate more. Sumo Style deadlifts are my favorite lift. The sumo style allows you to really control the speed and weight without getting hung up around the knees. Matter of fact the bar doesn't even touch my body until almost completion. Strong, yeah it sucks. reminds me how weak I am LOL
The aforementioned was why I am now performing consolidated training , after experimenting with an ever decreasing drop in volume and frequency to accomodate ongoing progress over the years which resulted in a gradual drop of an exercise or two each workout until I found myself with just the heavy basics and traing every 9 days or so ... and still going strong.
@Cragails Yeah, after having a lot of time off between workouts I am starting to think I would see better gains only workout out about twice per month. what say you?
@buybulkwhey Ive stretched my recovery/workouts to approx 14 days at one point and whilst the strength gains were still forthcoming , the downside was that I was getting somewhat mentally deconditioned which was manifesting as lethargy ( physically ) I have now found ( after many years experimenting with such training ) that workouts every 7-9 days with very low volume consisting of only 2- 3 ( at most ) exercises ie; Chin/dip & leg press/ OHP keeps me both mentally and physically atuned .
Great stuff guys , from experience there is always a point where as one realises progress in resistance and/or reps in the isolation exercise the compound exercise to follow suffers to a degree ... It can be frustrating to see a drop in the compound resistance but that IS progression , as one should be aiming to exhaust ( by isolation ) that specific muscle group , then by way of recruiting assisting musculature in the compound exercise in order to fully exhaust the specified area.
What's with the chewing gum? Youy look like a f-wad.
naile1a1r 3 months ago
@naile1a1r MAndible primal lobe work.
buybulkwhey 3 months ago
@KingElsaviorRex lol...well said
buybulkwhey 3 months ago
@KingElsaviorRex Have you tried it? It has worked for many including Dorain
buybulkwhey 4 months ago
Andy, Your all out of Whey? When will you have more?
rene495 8 months ago
@rene495 Unfortunately we wont
buybulkwhey 8 months ago
you use free weights too ?
fogonabomba2 9 months ago
@fogonabomba2 Sometimes during the experiment we did
buybulkwhey 9 months ago
@AveITALIA83 12-20 and then 6-8 on the supersets!
buybulkwhey 10 months ago
@AveITALIA83 2-3 warm up sets, usually i just listen to the body!
buybulkwhey 10 months ago
Andy, I'm ready to take the Boise Experiment Challenge!!
rene495 10 months ago
@rene495 Sweet, let me know if you need any help.
buybulkwhey 10 months ago
@buybulkwhey Will do. Just signed up for a new gym thaty will open soon so I will train at home for a few more weeks. Will be starting diet Tomorrow. I will need some motivation though.
rene495 10 months ago
@buybulkwhey btw I will follow on your diet,.
rene495 10 months ago
keep it up guys!!
dantsev 11 months ago
@dantsev Thanks man!! We tried..LOL
buybulkwhey 11 months ago
This is Heavy Duty? Blaaaaah
angleslam78 1 year ago
@angleslam78 it is heavy duty. when your reps are that slow and controlled its hard
goatkiller68 8 months ago
I too am a huge proponent for Heavy Duty style h.i.t.
Did you two guys alternate turns training muscle groups i.e. you-chest/him-chest/you-back/him-back? Also did you always use 4-2-4 cause I seen sometimes a 3-1-3 or 3-1-4? All good stuff guys. God Bless.
kravistjb 1 year ago
you guys need to get another video up their awesome... quick question though how come you guys don't use free weights on most exercises isn't that always recommended i mean you guys are clearly in good enough shape to handle them.
Visalia13 1 year ago
@Visalia13 - We wanted to follow the exact workout prescribed in HIGH INTENSITY TRAINING THE MIKE MENTZER WAY and that's what was detailed in the ideal routine. I use to be a hardcore free weight guy, but now I will do anything as long as it gets great results!!! thanks for coming on board.
buybulkwhey 1 year ago
Pec Decks are overrated. you can do the same thing with dumbbells and a bench.
seth3556r 1 year ago
@seth3556r I agree, however I like the stability of the pec deck. Both are great movements, have you had issues with the pec deck in the past??
buybulkwhey 1 year ago
@buybulkwhey It made my shoulders pop a lot and gave me some upper back pain later the nights I used it at the YMCA.
seth3556r 1 year ago
@seth3556r dang, that is a bummer! Dumbbells would be better for you than
buybulkwhey 1 year ago
How could Big Andy increase 3 inches on his arms, but not increase his number of repetions on the chest press at all? That doesn't add up.
Wrestle235 1 year ago
@Wrestle235 I know, I would rather take the strength...LOL
buybulkwhey 1 year ago
@Wrestle235 heavy duty my friend
dantsev 11 months ago
4. Finally another trick that helps and has been suggested by authors and online contributors is to drop the isolation movement once in a while and to perform just the compound movement(s) for one workout before going back to the isolation - compound cycle - allows for lesser inroad and enhanced recovery. I would just try my previous suggestions before switching to consolidation or reducing your frequency too much. Great gains by the way and keep on posting your videos.
kabhattacharya 1 year ago
@kabhattacharya Good Call!! Yeah I think I will stay on the Ideal Routine for a while... until progress halts.
buybulkwhey 1 year ago
3. Finally - switch up exercises - we all reach temporary limits on exercises - I've found through my own experience and through the writings of Dante Trudel that switching movements is crucial. I recall a time I hit a plateau on a cable x over and incline hammer strength plateau at 100lbs/side on the x overs and 310 on the incline, changed the x overs to pec dec and the incline to the dip machine kept on progressing and when i came back to the original movements i shattered the plateau ..try it
kabhattacharya 1 year ago
2. The solution to a plateau isn't necessarily the consolidation routine - not until trainees are at very advanced strength should that be implemented. In HIT the MM way he says that no one advanced intensity technique should not be used exclusively - that applies to pre exhaust as well - so instead of super-setting performing the sets separately will help overcome a plateau as well - e.g. warm up on the incline bench - do 1 set of pec dec to failure rest and then 1 set of incline to failure
kabhattacharya 1 year ago
@kabhattacharya I agree, exclusivity can be an impediment in itself - Good Looking out!!
buybulkwhey 1 year ago
Great stuff as usual guys. I thought your final blog post and fidings were extremely interesting. Here's a few thoughts of my own from using HIT extensively over the past several years.
1. There rest days should be added between workouts but only up to a point. I don't know if it's deconditioning or a loss of neuromuscular efficiency that happens but beyond 'x' amount of rest trainees start to regress - 'x' of course varies from individual to individual.
kabhattacharya 1 year ago
@kabhattacharya I have been thinking about his as well.... is it possible that there are other physiological components at work as well. the HIT MM WAY you develop so much strength and size that is really not natural and perhaps if the body gets enough time off in between workouts it is trying to achieve it's natural equilibrium. I don't know... but I may report my personal experience on the Boise Experiment for 2011.
buybulkwhey 1 year ago
Great seeing such terrific equipment being utilized so well. Those are some LOW reps on the compound chest movement. How about some negatives at the end to batter those pecs? Again, very cool using pre-exhaustion to its fullest.
hooahm1a2 1 year ago
@hooahm1a2 Thank you! Yes, I agree on the negatives!!! Again thanks!!!
buybulkwhey 1 year ago
"My hero" then "too young to fall in love." interesting combo. I really like this video series.
yourtuberr 1 year ago
@yourtuberr Yeah, we try to mix the tunes up. Thank you for watching! We will do another one in about two months.
buybulkwhey 1 year ago
I got some questions, Why pulldowns instead of pull-ups? Why do you do sumo style deadlifts and he dose them legs in. Whats it like to lift with a guy that strong? I'm usually the strong guy but I got nothin on him, lol .
tazzpower 1 year ago
@tazzpower Ok, good questions. First - pullodowns vs pullups. you could probably go either way, but I feel like pullups involves more of the body whereas pulldowns seem to isolate more. Sumo Style deadlifts are my favorite lift. The sumo style allows you to really control the speed and weight without getting hung up around the knees. Matter of fact the bar doesn't even touch my body until almost completion. Strong, yeah it sucks. reminds me how weak I am LOL
buybulkwhey 1 year ago
The aforementioned was why I am now performing consolidated training , after experimenting with an ever decreasing drop in volume and frequency to accomodate ongoing progress over the years which resulted in a gradual drop of an exercise or two each workout until I found myself with just the heavy basics and traing every 9 days or so ... and still going strong.
Cragails 1 year ago
@Cragails Yeah, after having a lot of time off between workouts I am starting to think I would see better gains only workout out about twice per month. what say you?
buybulkwhey 1 year ago
@buybulkwhey Ive stretched my recovery/workouts to approx 14 days at one point and whilst the strength gains were still forthcoming , the downside was that I was getting somewhat mentally deconditioned which was manifesting as lethargy ( physically ) I have now found ( after many years experimenting with such training ) that workouts every 7-9 days with very low volume consisting of only 2- 3 ( at most ) exercises ie; Chin/dip & leg press/ OHP keeps me both mentally and physically atuned .
Cragails 1 year ago
Great stuff guys , from experience there is always a point where as one realises progress in resistance and/or reps in the isolation exercise the compound exercise to follow suffers to a degree ... It can be frustrating to see a drop in the compound resistance but that IS progression , as one should be aiming to exhaust ( by isolation ) that specific muscle group , then by way of recruiting assisting musculature in the compound exercise in order to fully exhaust the specified area.
Cragails 1 year ago
@Cragails Thanks buddy! good to have you on board. Good points as well. Very curious to see how the consolidated workout goes.
buybulkwhey 1 year ago