@16piller16lol halcyons could stay in the fight much longer than a marathon. they were built to take a beating and keep kicking. due to the high cost, production of halcyon cruisers stopped
@immrgrunty1363 they still had a dissadvantage even with the 2 best fleet commander. A single covenant ship could ice 5 pillars without a sparten it was impossible
@Arthos455 Yeah even with the UNSC spamming numbers the covenant 1 CCS battlecrusier...no just a mere corvet or destroyer can take out probably half a quarter of a UNSC fleet. At most half of a UNSC fleet before dieing due to too many MAC gun hits or nukes. Though if the Covi fleet was in range of some defense platforms and a huge fleet of UNSC ships, they may have a chance of winning but they will most definetly sustain major loses in between the combat.
@FearLancer2 Excuse me? A CCS BattleCruider would be annihalated if it met 6 Frigates, a CCS Battlecruiser would be toasted by 2 Marathon class cruisers.
@FearLancer2 5 CCS Battle Cruiser and an Assault Carrier would probably need to be matched by around 8 Marathons, 12 Frigates and a Bunch of Battle Ships.
@FearLancer2 Nothing to do with luck, if 6 Marathons engaged the Assault Carrier with all of the BattleShips (There were few at the battle of earth, infact there were over 150 at Reach alone) then the Carrier would be done for upon recieving the MAC fire, if you then placed 3 frigates to each CCS ship and had 2 Marathons provide fire support you would have it covered easily. This is without the use of adanced tactics or SHIVA Nukes.
@TBEClanMovies or you could have 4 marathons target each assault carrier. and have the remaining 63 frigates target the 13 cruisers. and gang rape them instantly.... thats why i always say. bungie isnt halo. its fannon. they suck at story telling. gearbox did a much better job.
@178thbattlegroup How about no? The ratio on a CCS battlecruiser is 3 > 1 with 3 Frigates and even then it's luck at best if you win. An assault carrier would toast 4 Marathons.
@TBEClanMovies your telling me that 1 covie battle cruiser can survive 4.8 to 1 odds, OF MAC rounds hitting it. and that a assault carrier can take 4 marathon heavy mac rounds? i call bull shit.
with numbers like that you dont need archers or nukes.
@178thbattlegroup MAC's are not guaranteed to hit and a Assault Carrier is 17,540 ft ship that uses Plasma Guided weapons and it has shields that are very powerful, It also has energy projecters that can pierce a UNSC ship like a knife ripping through Paper. Need i remind you of Halo 3 where the elite's Assault Carrier took down 3 Brute assault carriers? It also has boarding ships and well... Look what happend to the POA.
@TBEClanMovies the POA was a halcyon-class cruiser. It could take much more of a beating than most any other class vessel in the UNSC due to the honey-combed Titanium-A gridwork within the interior. Halcyon-class cruisers were made to last. the only reason production stopped was that it was getting too expensive
@killer13324 Wrong, Halcyon Class Cruisers were extremely weak and Underpowered, They were a Laughing stock within the UNSC and Cortana even said this in the books. Halcyon Class Cuisers were Cheaper than Marathon Class Cruisers which was their replacement which Had Superior Armour and Weapons. The only Halcyon Class Cruisers to ever do well were Specially Modified ones like the POA. A Marathon has 191cm Titanium-A Battle Plate Armour where as a Halcyon Has Les and can only take 5 plasma rounds.
@TBEClanMovies they were weak in power yes but like i stated earlier they could take a beating and keep kicking. they were designed to take a beating but production got too expensive. the gridwork inside was honeycombed Titanium-A
@killer13324 The Modified ones could take a Beating, The Average Halcyon Took 5 Plasma Torpedo's then it became so Crippled it was Useless, Marathons have been known to survive 8+ Plasma Torpedo's... Their Production also got stopped as they were inferior to Marathon Class Cruisers which cost roughly the Same, Don't compare the Overall performance of one ship to the Entire type of that same ship.
@TBEClanMovies "...ships of the class were able to remain operational despite sustaining breaches to all compartments and losing 90% of their armor. An example of the ship's durability was during the Fall of Reach when the ship took on the Covenant Supercruiser and took two hits from the ship's main weapon (one of which severly damaged the reactors) and kept going,
@killer13324 As for much more of a Beating than Any Class Vessel, Halcyon Class Cruisers (None Modified) Took 5 to 6 Plasma Rounds before being Severely Crippled. The UNSC SuperCarrier was made to Stand Toe to Toe with Covenant Ships... The POA was a One of a Kind, Halcyon's failed, End of.
@TBEClanMovies POA was refitted with new mac system, new reactor, and more archer missile pods. halcyons could keep fighting after losing up to 90% of their armor
@178thbattlegroup Need i also remind you that an Assault carrier is 4X Bigger than a Marathon class cruiser? Also that a Assault Carrier slipped past all of Earth's defences and ships and toasted many ships on the way down? Need i also remind you that 3 > 1 ratio for the UNSC usualy involves something heavier than a frigate being involved? And that frigates can be toasted in 2 plasma Shots if fired in the right spots?
@TBEClanMovies are you referring to the halo 2 cutscene where the master chief is falling to the covinant ship to return their bomb? of course i should say falling
@178thbattlegroup Need i also remind you that with the whole Sol Defence fleet and 300 Orbital Mac Guns that fire Super Macs a Super Carrier still survived and took down 2 ODP's and 3 Marathons? Need i also show you the Halo 2 cutscene where a Marathon is toasted by one Energy projector shot which brings it down?
The only Halo Tard here is you, Go do some research.
@TBEClanMovies no it wasn't a super carrier. it was an assault carrier. and in the books the UNSC super macs only needed 1 hit, to shatter the CCS battlecruisers and carriers.
it didnt take them out, bombs they planted on them when they boarded did. of course covenant can take out UNSC. but in the case of firing at the same time. 4 cruisers on 1 assault carrier. the carrier would get blown to hell by the MAC fire.
@178thbattlegroup I correct myself, you are right i messed the words up it was an Assault carrier. But you are going off of the basis that the MAC's all hit from a Marathon? And correct me if i am wrong Marathons only fire normal Mac's not SMAC's you tool! Need i show you the cutscene where an Assault Carrier in Halo 2 uses its Projector beam and kills a Marathon in 1 hit? That does not include Plasma Torpedo's, Boarding ships etc etc.
@178thbattlegroup "The titanic vessel Keyes had seen before was back. It fired its brilliant blue-white beam - a lance across space - that struck the destroyer Herodotus, one hundred thousand kilometers distant. The beam cut clean through the ship, stem to stern, dissecting her" Remember that ship in TFoR? Energy Projectors can fire way outside of the Range of the UNSC and slaughter UNSC ships in one shot tearing them like paper.
@178thbattlegroup OMG theirs your problem right their. you going off the horse shit that is the games. im going off the books. with the exception of halo evolutions. i dont consider half of the stories in that to be cannon. mostly due to in consistency on already established stuff.
@178thbattlegroup I am not going solely off of the games but the example of Halo 2 is perfectly Canon, Asault Carriers were 4 times bigger than Marathon's and Toasted them many many times!! All it takes is 1 Enery Projector shot to bring down a Marathon and several Plasma Torpedo's which can be Guided unlike UNSC Mac's which do NOT always hit and the covenant can Shoot Missiles and Nukes out of the air and they do alot. They even have a system to warn them about Nuke's coming at the ship.
@TBEClanMovies if you want to be realistic and technical. you can take out a stationary or ship moving at a continuous speed and velocity from earth. orbiting Jupiter. pretty easily. especially considering they have AI to do calculations, and the slugs fly at what was 25-60% the speed of light, depending of the type of mac and the generation of mac. the newer 3rd generation macs, like the one on the POA from TFOR for example. can fire 2 times and then a 3rd time using left over energy recaptured
@178thbattlegroup from the 1st 2 shots. they have energy recapture technology NOW in real life. you hear about the amusement park that powers it self? SAME thing.
thats like saying that all UNSC ships had the new anti capital ship lasers (the replacement for the mac) or the experimental microwave weapon.
only like what 8 ships had ACLs for field testing.
and 1 prototype had the microwave weapon. which was a experimental alternative for the super mac. but that was destroyed when the research outpost was attacked, and most of the data on the weapon was lost.
@TBEClanMovies ill watch my 2 friends fire their macs at you. the 1st shot will be deflected. the 2nd shot will buckle your shields and ding off the hull. and the 3rd shot (my shot) will go through your nose and out your ass.
@16piller16lol no they fire 1 round at a time. only the newer 3rd generation macs fire in 3 round intervals. and really they are designed to fire it in 2 round intervals. the reason the POA fired 3 at a time. is because it had new 3rd gen mac AND reactors. its an older ship that was brought back from mothballs, gutted, and upgraded with top of the line late war tech.
@16piller16lol i can tell you all about the different mac specifications based on generation and class. if you want to discuss it or learn about it. hit me up with a message. and ill give you my team speak or xfire info.
@16piller16lol the only halcyon-class cruiser to fire 3 round intervals was the pillar of autumn, which was completely refitted with the latest MAC system AND the newest top of the line reactor that they could fit inside of it. not to mention the many other upgrades it recieved in order to allow John's spartan team to take a covie ship
@178thbattlegroup the MAC shredder rounds do much more damage than the normal MAC rounds it only takes 1 to weaken the shields significantly, and the second to punch through the weakened shields and go through the ship from nose to ass. and you also have to considter the missiles being fired as well
@TBEClanMovies oh thats right you wanted me to correct you if you were wrong. i almost forgot. frigates and destroyers use normal Macs in the 250 ton - 300 ton range. destroyers having 2 macs. cruisers use HEAVY macs 450 tons.. and SUPER MACS fire the MASSIVE 600 ton slug. the platforms at reach were older 1st gen platforms, and fired them at 45% the speed of light. where as the newer platforms around earth could sling them at 60%
@178thbattlegroup Super macs use the 3000 ton tungsten slugs and accelerate them to 24-25% of the speed of light. They can fire once every 5 seconds, because they're powered by extremely advanced ground based generators. I haven't heard of different generations and it doesn't say anything in Halopedia or Halo Nation but they may exist. It's also supposed that Carriers or Supercarriers may carry a single SMAC because they're big enough and their power drives are good enough.
@SPARTAIN088 is this the same halo pedia and halo nation that claim unsc frigates are only about 370m long or what ever? when unsc longswords are 75m wide 64 long and 13m high, and the books state that a UNSC frigate can carry a total of 12 long swords. 6 on each side of the upper internal hanger bays.explane to me how your suppose to fit 12 or even 6 long swords in a frigate 370 or so meters long?
just saying.
i most likely got the tonnage of the slugs wrong. but i didnt get the speed% wrong.
@SPARTAIN088 they did indeed have different generations or upgrades (which i suppose you could call it) of the mac cannons. research and development made improvements to the standard anti capital ship weapon of the UNSC (macs) through out the war. the latest improvement can be read about in the book fall of reach. 1 such cannon was mounted on the pillar of autumn. it could fire 2 times on its own reserves. and with energy recapture technology built into its 3rd gen mac. fire a 3rd time.
@178thbattlegroup I know about the PoA, but wasn't that upgrade unique for the ship? I think it was stated it's the only known ship that has it. They'll definitely make more since at the battle of instalation 04 Cortana predicted 4 to 5 kills of superior CCS class battleships. And it makes perfect sense for there to be upgrades through out the war. It's like 25 years long they definitely made advances and more money was poured into research after the war started and the military got full control
@178thbattlegroup not to mention the new reactor that didnt need to have coolant fed into it to stay cool. the pillar of autumn also had many other adjustments made to it so it can survive long enough to allow John and his spartan team to infiltrate and capture a covenant ship as per their original mission.
@killer13324 yep. it amazes me how little "halo fans" know about the series. i mean look a halo wiki and halo pedia. they say that a frigate is half as long as a halcyon. and that a frigate cant carry long swords. yet in the cole protocol they say that a heavy frigate is capable of carrying up to 12 longswords. 6 on each side. you can see the 6 hanger long hangar bay on the upper middle sides of a frigate.1 hanger row per side.ppl forget that thing are SCALED DOWN to fit into games.
@178thbattlegroup i didnt look at those except to find out how many Spartan IIs were alive who have ever put on the armor. and the only spartan II i noticed who actually retired was Maria, who tested the MK VI MJOLNIR armor varient for the master chief
@killer13324 Yeah up to 90% in the best situations when they get lucky, Either way it still gets completely crippled in 5 Shots, Imagine 8 shots? Marathons can still kick the shit out of a Halcyon... And stop bring the POA, The POA was specifically Modified with the newest Best Tech, Which Marathons would also Receive making them still better than a Halcyon.
@TBEClanMovies it depends on where on the ship those 5 shots hit if they all hit major systems then the ship is crippled, if they mainly broad-sided the ship they can keep fighting depending on the condition of the reactor and weapons systems
@killer13324 Hardly, 5 Torpedo's would Cripple any Halcyon Severely whether it was a Critical System or not, Even if it took 8 the Marathon is still more effective..
@TBEClanMovies i looked at the POA's upgrades and refits. none that i saw were made to the armor plating. it had the same armor structure as any halcyon-class cruiser. meaning, if the POA was able to take a beating and keep going, so could it's underpowered, undergunned brethren
@TBEClanMovies as far as power and armament yes they were but if they were all refitted with the same power and weapons systems as the PoA, they could trounce the marathon-class cruisers
@TBEClanMovies non-modified halcyons had a severe trade-off for armament and power to durability. marathons lacked the bracing structure of the halcyons rendering them easier to destroy in ship-to-ship combat. however, marathons had the weapons and engines to hold their own. the refits to the POA made it equal if not superior to any marathon.
@killer13324 If they were all Fitted with shit from the POA they would give it to the Marathons Aswell, Stop using the POA as the basis for your Argument as that was a One of a kind ship at the time... You can't compare all Halcyon Class Cruisers because a Heavily Modified one does well...
@TBEClanMovies the thing is all the halcyons did not get armor plating upgrades. as far as durability goes they are superior due to the honeycombed titanium-A crossbracings. but initially there was a severe trade-off for it, leaving them undergunned and underpowered. production of halcyon-class cruisers stopped because they got too expensive so they put the marathon cruisers in their place, trading the superior crossbracings for better weapons and engine systems
@TBEClanMovies plus the marathon cruisers had 1.92 meters of armor plating whereas the halcyon cruisers had 2 meters. this, plus the crossbracings mentions earlier further prove the superior durability of a halcyon-class cruiser over the marathon-class. marathons have superior firepower and superior engines and given a good commander could destroy an unmodified halcyon nearly unscathed despite the halcyon's superior structure and armor plating.
@SPARTAIN088 on the fall of reach it says that even carriers werent big enough to carry the super macs but mayb their only super carrier which was also destroyed at reach if you read halo: first strike it may have been big enough but would have made the gun inpractical considering how long it would have taken to charge up
@TBEClanMovies thats what the nuke mines are for. as you have read in the books they have been used to destroy the ship with the ship's shields CONTAINING the blast until the generaters were vaporized.
@Arthos455 A single ship? Well a Corvette is a ship and would have been fucked by a Frigate had the Mac Hit it, Or if they hit it with a Shiva Nuke, Spartans did not win space battles for the UNSC. The Pillar of Autumn fired extra-powerful Mac Blasts in 3 Round bursts, It was probably the second Most Deadly ship in the UNSC Fleet along with the UNSC SuperCarrier. The POA "Iced" over 5 ships at the battle of reach so learn what your talking about kid!
@FearLancer2 let's put it this way, if u thing John-117 is the only spartan left, you're dead wrong. counting him there are 11 Spartan IIs surviving, and this is just the ones who were able to put on the armor and fight. PLUS the handful of spartan IIIs who are holed in the core of the shield world of onyx with linda fred kelly halsey and mendez
@killer13324 I know very well that John isnt the only spartan because i've played all of the games and know alot of the background story there are alot of spartans not acounted for....especially at Onyx
@FearLancer2 exactly i've read all of the novels thus far except glasslands, which i'm really hoping to get soon, and when i got curious i looked up any surviving spartan IIs still in the fight and i counted 11 including the master chief
@Arthos455 So because i hae the all of the books over a space of 2 years and have a fantastic memory that means i do it too much? Considering none of these facts or any large scale battles are mentioned or seen in the games they don't come into this.
@Arthos455 not true, a fully armored spatran II was equal in physical strength to the covenant's sangheili [aka elite] warriors. But with the sangheili's overwhelming sense of honor, they were inferior to any Spartan II active in the fight
@Dantaroen the covenant would've obliterated the UNSC if it werent for the civil war within the covenant, splitting their forces considerably. That plus the chaos caused by the flood around the second halo ring, both sides were fighting on two fronts. If you asked me, humanity wouldve been extinguished from the universe if it werent for their alliance with the sangheili
hey man would you mind if I used this for a teaser trailer for a halo movie i plan to do all credit for the original vid going to u of course
TechnoEchoFilms 3 weeks ago
@TechnoEchoFilms No problem. Go ahead.
jtdoepke 3 weeks ago
@jtdoepke thanks alot man :)
TechnoEchoFilms 3 weeks ago
@jtdoepke lol probably good time to mention now that I put this vid in one of my videos, though I put you in the credits (it was like 6 months ago)
Also, your animations are great, they were one of the inspirations that led me to start attempting halo animations :)
343TheSentient 3 weeks ago
ladies please! you will never know because its FICTIONAL!
Conor17777 2 months ago
=p lets fight over a book a game.....
Arthos455 2 months ago
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killer13324 2 months ago
dude where did you get your models?
rockmanmikey 2 months ago
What is the name of the song?
BrewCrew4Life21 3 months ago
@BrewCrew4Life21 i think its armored prayer from gears of war 2
spartan1080 2 months ago
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dotch8774 6 months ago
Marathons kick halcyon ass...
16piller16lol 8 months ago
@16piller16lol halcyons could stay in the fight much longer than a marathon. they were built to take a beating and keep kicking. due to the high cost, production of halcyon cruisers stopped
killer13324 2 months ago
to believe something like this was defeated by the covenant is rather hard buh meh we saw it happen lol
Dantaroen 11 months ago
@Dantaroen The covenant were way more advance. Better shields, guns and warriors.
Arthos455 11 months ago
@Arthos455 i know its just knowing that a fleet of this size is nothing against the covenant =D
Dantaroen 11 months ago
@Arthos455 unless the man in command of the human fleet was cole or keyes.
immrgrunty1363 10 months ago
@immrgrunty1363 they still had a dissadvantage even with the 2 best fleet commander. A single covenant ship could ice 5 pillars without a sparten it was impossible
Arthos455 10 months ago
@Arthos455 Yeah even with the UNSC spamming numbers the covenant 1 CCS battlecrusier...no just a mere corvet or destroyer can take out probably half a quarter of a UNSC fleet. At most half of a UNSC fleet before dieing due to too many MAC gun hits or nukes. Though if the Covi fleet was in range of some defense platforms and a huge fleet of UNSC ships, they may have a chance of winning but they will most definetly sustain major loses in between the combat.
FearLancer2 10 months ago
@FearLancer2 Excuse me? A CCS BattleCruider would be annihalated if it met 6 Frigates, a CCS Battlecruiser would be toasted by 2 Marathon class cruisers.
TBEClanMovies 10 months ago
@TBEClanMovies I know i exagerated those numbers its more like a group of CCS battlecruisers and the Assualt carriers they are bound the have as well
FearLancer2 9 months ago
@FearLancer2 5 CCS Battle Cruiser and an Assault Carrier would probably need to be matched by around 8 Marathons, 12 Frigates and a Bunch of Battle Ships.
TBEClanMovies 9 months ago
@TBEClanMovies But thats if they are lucky The UNSC battleships i believe were all destroyed way before the battle of earth.
FearLancer2 9 months ago
@FearLancer2 Nothing to do with luck, if 6 Marathons engaged the Assault Carrier with all of the BattleShips (There were few at the battle of earth, infact there were over 150 at Reach alone) then the Carrier would be done for upon recieving the MAC fire, if you then placed 3 frigates to each CCS ship and had 2 Marathons provide fire support you would have it covered easily. This is without the use of adanced tactics or SHIVA Nukes.
TBEClanMovies 9 months ago
@TBEClanMovies or you could have 4 marathons target each assault carrier. and have the remaining 63 frigates target the 13 cruisers. and gang rape them instantly.... thats why i always say. bungie isnt halo. its fannon. they suck at story telling. gearbox did a much better job.
178thbattlegroup 7 months ago
@178thbattlegroup How about no? The ratio on a CCS battlecruiser is 3 > 1 with 3 Frigates and even then it's luck at best if you win. An assault carrier would toast 4 Marathons.
TBEClanMovies 7 months ago
@TBEClanMovies your telling me that 1 covie battle cruiser can survive 4.8 to 1 odds, OF MAC rounds hitting it. and that a assault carrier can take 4 marathon heavy mac rounds? i call bull shit.
with numbers like that you dont need archers or nukes.
your instantly branded a halo retard.
178thbattlegroup 7 months ago
@178thbattlegroup MAC's are not guaranteed to hit and a Assault Carrier is 17,540 ft ship that uses Plasma Guided weapons and it has shields that are very powerful, It also has energy projecters that can pierce a UNSC ship like a knife ripping through Paper. Need i remind you of Halo 3 where the elite's Assault Carrier took down 3 Brute assault carriers? It also has boarding ships and well... Look what happend to the POA.
TBEClanMovies 7 months ago
@TBEClanMovies the POA was a halcyon-class cruiser. It could take much more of a beating than most any other class vessel in the UNSC due to the honey-combed Titanium-A gridwork within the interior. Halcyon-class cruisers were made to last. the only reason production stopped was that it was getting too expensive
killer13324 2 months ago
@killer13324 Wrong, Halcyon Class Cruisers were extremely weak and Underpowered, They were a Laughing stock within the UNSC and Cortana even said this in the books. Halcyon Class Cuisers were Cheaper than Marathon Class Cruisers which was their replacement which Had Superior Armour and Weapons. The only Halcyon Class Cruisers to ever do well were Specially Modified ones like the POA. A Marathon has 191cm Titanium-A Battle Plate Armour where as a Halcyon Has Les and can only take 5 plasma rounds.
TBEClanMovies 2 months ago
@TBEClanMovies they were weak in power yes but like i stated earlier they could take a beating and keep kicking. they were designed to take a beating but production got too expensive. the gridwork inside was honeycombed Titanium-A
killer13324 2 months ago
@killer13324 The Modified ones could take a Beating, The Average Halcyon Took 5 Plasma Torpedo's then it became so Crippled it was Useless, Marathons have been known to survive 8+ Plasma Torpedo's... Their Production also got stopped as they were inferior to Marathon Class Cruisers which cost roughly the Same, Don't compare the Overall performance of one ship to the Entire type of that same ship.
TBEClanMovies 2 months ago
@TBEClanMovies "...ships of the class were able to remain operational despite sustaining breaches to all compartments and losing 90% of their armor. An example of the ship's durability was during the Fall of Reach when the ship took on the Covenant Supercruiser and took two hits from the ship's main weapon (one of which severly damaged the reactors) and kept going,
killer13324 2 months ago
@killer13324 As for much more of a Beating than Any Class Vessel, Halcyon Class Cruisers (None Modified) Took 5 to 6 Plasma Rounds before being Severely Crippled. The UNSC SuperCarrier was made to Stand Toe to Toe with Covenant Ships... The POA was a One of a Kind, Halcyon's failed, End of.
TBEClanMovies 2 months ago
@TBEClanMovies POA was refitted with new mac system, new reactor, and more archer missile pods. halcyons could keep fighting after losing up to 90% of their armor
killer13324 2 months ago
@178thbattlegroup Need i also remind you that an Assault carrier is 4X Bigger than a Marathon class cruiser? Also that a Assault Carrier slipped past all of Earth's defences and ships and toasted many ships on the way down? Need i also remind you that 3 > 1 ratio for the UNSC usualy involves something heavier than a frigate being involved? And that frigates can be toasted in 2 plasma Shots if fired in the right spots?
TBEClanMovies 7 months ago
@TBEClanMovies are you referring to the halo 2 cutscene where the master chief is falling to the covinant ship to return their bomb? of course i should say falling
killer13324 2 months ago
@178thbattlegroup Need i also remind you that with the whole Sol Defence fleet and 300 Orbital Mac Guns that fire Super Macs a Super Carrier still survived and took down 2 ODP's and 3 Marathons? Need i also show you the Halo 2 cutscene where a Marathon is toasted by one Energy projector shot which brings it down?
The only Halo Tard here is you, Go do some research.
TBEClanMovies 7 months ago
@TBEClanMovies no it wasn't a super carrier. it was an assault carrier. and in the books the UNSC super macs only needed 1 hit, to shatter the CCS battlecruisers and carriers.
it didnt take them out, bombs they planted on them when they boarded did. of course covenant can take out UNSC. but in the case of firing at the same time. 4 cruisers on 1 assault carrier. the carrier would get blown to hell by the MAC fire.
178thbattlegroup 7 months ago
@178thbattlegroup I correct myself, you are right i messed the words up it was an Assault carrier. But you are going off of the basis that the MAC's all hit from a Marathon? And correct me if i am wrong Marathons only fire normal Mac's not SMAC's you tool! Need i show you the cutscene where an Assault Carrier in Halo 2 uses its Projector beam and kills a Marathon in 1 hit? That does not include Plasma Torpedo's, Boarding ships etc etc.
TBEClanMovies 7 months ago
@178thbattlegroup "The titanic vessel Keyes had seen before was back. It fired its brilliant blue-white beam - a lance across space - that struck the destroyer Herodotus, one hundred thousand kilometers distant. The beam cut clean through the ship, stem to stern, dissecting her" Remember that ship in TFoR? Energy Projectors can fire way outside of the Range of the UNSC and slaughter UNSC ships in one shot tearing them like paper.
TBEClanMovies 7 months ago
@TBEClanMovies that was 1 of the last cove battleships. the last 2 were destroyed in the fleet that got vaporized in 1st strike.
178thbattlegroup 7 months ago
@178thbattlegroup Also, The covenant ship with the Projector beam i was using it as an example for its Beam, The Assault carriers have them too...
TBEClanMovies 7 months ago
@178thbattlegroup that's assuming that the carrier could not escape enough of the combined fire to keep fighting
killer13324 2 months ago
@178thbattlegroup OMG theirs your problem right their. you going off the horse shit that is the games. im going off the books. with the exception of halo evolutions. i dont consider half of the stories in that to be cannon. mostly due to in consistency on already established stuff.
178thbattlegroup 7 months ago
@178thbattlegroup I am not going solely off of the games but the example of Halo 2 is perfectly Canon, Asault Carriers were 4 times bigger than Marathon's and Toasted them many many times!! All it takes is 1 Enery Projector shot to bring down a Marathon and several Plasma Torpedo's which can be Guided unlike UNSC Mac's which do NOT always hit and the covenant can Shoot Missiles and Nukes out of the air and they do alot. They even have a system to warn them about Nuke's coming at the ship.
TBEClanMovies 7 months ago
@TBEClanMovies if you want to be realistic and technical. you can take out a stationary or ship moving at a continuous speed and velocity from earth. orbiting Jupiter. pretty easily. especially considering they have AI to do calculations, and the slugs fly at what was 25-60% the speed of light, depending of the type of mac and the generation of mac. the newer 3rd generation macs, like the one on the POA from TFOR for example. can fire 2 times and then a 3rd time using left over energy recaptured
178thbattlegroup 7 months ago
@178thbattlegroup from the 1st 2 shots. they have energy recapture technology NOW in real life. you hear about the amusement park that powers it self? SAME thing.
178thbattlegroup 7 months ago
@178thbattlegroup You assuming that AI's are onboard all ships? And you also assuming all ships have 3rd Generation mac guns? Big assumptions.
TBEClanMovies 7 months ago
no im not. and i know they dont.
thats like saying that all UNSC ships had the new anti capital ship lasers (the replacement for the mac) or the experimental microwave weapon.
only like what 8 ships had ACLs for field testing.
and 1 prototype had the microwave weapon. which was a experimental alternative for the super mac. but that was destroyed when the research outpost was attacked, and most of the data on the weapon was lost.
oh and your a tool.
178thbattlegroup 7 months ago
@178thbattlegroup I said all ships as in all 4 Marathons you tool.
TBEClanMovies 7 months ago
@TBEClanMovies your a tool and a gay fish.
so what are you wearing?
178thbattlegroup 7 months ago
@178thbattlegroup A Assault Carrier costume, get 3 friends to wear some Marathons and watch me kick your asses.
TBEClanMovies 7 months ago
@TBEClanMovies ill watch my 2 friends fire their macs at you. the 1st shot will be deflected. the 2nd shot will buckle your shields and ding off the hull. and the 3rd shot (my shot) will go through your nose and out your ass.
178thbattlegroup 7 months ago
Marathons and Halcyons fire MACs in three round intervals.
16piller16lol 7 months ago
@16piller16lol no they fire 1 round at a time. only the newer 3rd generation macs fire in 3 round intervals. and really they are designed to fire it in 2 round intervals. the reason the POA fired 3 at a time. is because it had new 3rd gen mac AND reactors. its an older ship that was brought back from mothballs, gutted, and upgraded with top of the line late war tech.
178thbattlegroup 7 months ago
@16piller16lol i can tell you all about the different mac specifications based on generation and class. if you want to discuss it or learn about it. hit me up with a message. and ill give you my team speak or xfire info.
178thbattlegroup 7 months ago
@16piller16lol the only halcyon-class cruiser to fire 3 round intervals was the pillar of autumn, which was completely refitted with the latest MAC system AND the newest top of the line reactor that they could fit inside of it. not to mention the many other upgrades it recieved in order to allow John's spartan team to take a covie ship
killer13324 2 months ago
@178thbattlegroup the MAC shredder rounds do much more damage than the normal MAC rounds it only takes 1 to weaken the shields significantly, and the second to punch through the weakened shields and go through the ship from nose to ass. and you also have to considter the missiles being fired as well
killer13324 2 months ago
@killer13324 i know. how long do you think it would take the UNSC to think. "hey. mac round + nova bomb = good idea"
basically hollow out a mac round stick a nova bomb in it. and fire that at fleets or planets =P
178thbattlegroup 2 months ago
@TBEClanMovies oh thats right you wanted me to correct you if you were wrong. i almost forgot. frigates and destroyers use normal Macs in the 250 ton - 300 ton range. destroyers having 2 macs. cruisers use HEAVY macs 450 tons.. and SUPER MACS fire the MASSIVE 600 ton slug. the platforms at reach were older 1st gen platforms, and fired them at 45% the speed of light. where as the newer platforms around earth could sling them at 60%
178thbattlegroup 7 months ago
@178thbattlegroup Super macs use the 3000 ton tungsten slugs and accelerate them to 24-25% of the speed of light. They can fire once every 5 seconds, because they're powered by extremely advanced ground based generators. I haven't heard of different generations and it doesn't say anything in Halopedia or Halo Nation but they may exist. It's also supposed that Carriers or Supercarriers may carry a single SMAC because they're big enough and their power drives are good enough.
SPARTAIN088 3 months ago
@SPARTAIN088 is this the same halo pedia and halo nation that claim unsc frigates are only about 370m long or what ever? when unsc longswords are 75m wide 64 long and 13m high, and the books state that a UNSC frigate can carry a total of 12 long swords. 6 on each side of the upper internal hanger bays.explane to me how your suppose to fit 12 or even 6 long swords in a frigate 370 or so meters long?
just saying.
i most likely got the tonnage of the slugs wrong. but i didnt get the speed% wrong.
178thbattlegroup 3 months ago
@SPARTAIN088 they did indeed have different generations or upgrades (which i suppose you could call it) of the mac cannons. research and development made improvements to the standard anti capital ship weapon of the UNSC (macs) through out the war. the latest improvement can be read about in the book fall of reach. 1 such cannon was mounted on the pillar of autumn. it could fire 2 times on its own reserves. and with energy recapture technology built into its 3rd gen mac. fire a 3rd time.
178thbattlegroup 3 months ago
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@178thbattlegroup I know about the PoA, but wasn't that upgrade unique for the ship? I think it was stated it's the only known ship that has it. They'll definitely make more since at the battle of instalation 04 Cortana predicted 4 to 5 kills of superior CCS class battleships. And it makes perfect sense for there to be upgrades through out the war. It's like 25 years long they definitely made advances and more money was poured into research after the war started and the military got full control
SPARTAIN088 3 months ago
@178thbattlegroup not to mention the new reactor that didnt need to have coolant fed into it to stay cool. the pillar of autumn also had many other adjustments made to it so it can survive long enough to allow John and his spartan team to infiltrate and capture a covenant ship as per their original mission.
killer13324 2 months ago
@killer13324 yep. it amazes me how little "halo fans" know about the series. i mean look a halo wiki and halo pedia. they say that a frigate is half as long as a halcyon. and that a frigate cant carry long swords. yet in the cole protocol they say that a heavy frigate is capable of carrying up to 12 longswords. 6 on each side. you can see the 6 hanger long hangar bay on the upper middle sides of a frigate.1 hanger row per side.ppl forget that thing are SCALED DOWN to fit into games.
178thbattlegroup 2 months ago
@178thbattlegroup i didnt look at those except to find out how many Spartan IIs were alive who have ever put on the armor. and the only spartan II i noticed who actually retired was Maria, who tested the MK VI MJOLNIR armor varient for the master chief
killer13324 2 months ago
@killer13324 I see you have some Knowledge of the Haloverse but I Advise you do some research before you make an Outrageous Claim like that.
TBEClanMovies 2 months ago
@TBEClanMovies look it up a non-modified halcyon cruiser, by design, can lose up to 90% of it's armor and keep fighting
killer13324 2 months ago
@killer13324 Yeah up to 90% in the best situations when they get lucky, Either way it still gets completely crippled in 5 Shots, Imagine 8 shots? Marathons can still kick the shit out of a Halcyon... And stop bring the POA, The POA was specifically Modified with the newest Best Tech, Which Marathons would also Receive making them still better than a Halcyon.
TBEClanMovies 2 months ago
@TBEClanMovies it depends on where on the ship those 5 shots hit if they all hit major systems then the ship is crippled, if they mainly broad-sided the ship they can keep fighting depending on the condition of the reactor and weapons systems
killer13324 2 months ago
@killer13324 Hardly, 5 Torpedo's would Cripple any Halcyon Severely whether it was a Critical System or not, Even if it took 8 the Marathon is still more effective..
TBEClanMovies 2 months ago
@TBEClanMovies i looked at the POA's upgrades and refits. none that i saw were made to the armor plating. it had the same armor structure as any halcyon-class cruiser. meaning, if the POA was able to take a beating and keep going, so could it's underpowered, undergunned brethren
killer13324 2 months ago
@killer13324 Still talking about Durability? Why can't you address the fact that Halcyon Class Cruisers are Inferior to Marathons....
TBEClanMovies 2 months ago
@TBEClanMovies as far as power and armament yes they were but if they were all refitted with the same power and weapons systems as the PoA, they could trounce the marathon-class cruisers
killer13324 2 months ago
@TBEClanMovies non-modified halcyons had a severe trade-off for armament and power to durability. marathons lacked the bracing structure of the halcyons rendering them easier to destroy in ship-to-ship combat. however, marathons had the weapons and engines to hold their own. the refits to the POA made it equal if not superior to any marathon.
killer13324 2 months ago
@killer13324 If they were all Fitted with shit from the POA they would give it to the Marathons Aswell, Stop using the POA as the basis for your Argument as that was a One of a kind ship at the time... You can't compare all Halcyon Class Cruisers because a Heavily Modified one does well...
TBEClanMovies 2 months ago
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killer13324 2 months ago
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@TBEClanMovies the thing is all the halcyons did not get armor plating upgrades. as far as durability goes they are superior due to the honeycombed titanium-A crossbracings. but initially there was a severe trade-off for it, leaving them undergunned and underpowered. production of halcyon-class cruisers stopped because they got too expensive so they put the marathon cruisers in their place, trading the superior crossbracings for better weapons and engine systems
killer13324 2 months ago
@TBEClanMovies all in all, marathons are the more powerful, more cost effective and larger versions of the halcyons
killer13324 2 months ago
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@TBEClanMovies plus the marathon cruisers had 1.92 meters of armor plating whereas the halcyon cruisers had 2 meters. this, plus the crossbracings mentions earlier further prove the superior durability of a halcyon-class cruiser over the marathon-class. marathons have superior firepower and superior engines and given a good commander could destroy an unmodified halcyon nearly unscathed despite the halcyon's superior structure and armor plating.
killer13324 2 months ago
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@TBEClanMovies plus, cortana picked the POA, a halcyon-class cruiser, primarily for it's durability in combat
killer13324 2 months ago
@TBEClanMovies most if not all modifications to the POA were offensive not defensive
killer13324 2 months ago
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178thbattlegroup 2 months ago
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@SPARTAIN088 we have energy recapture technology today. you see it here. watch?v=8Vfrcv8qZK0
if your interested you can do your own research on it ;)
the stuff in the video is not exactly the same as what they would use in a mac gun. but you get the point..
178thbattlegroup 3 months ago
@SPARTAIN088 on the fall of reach it says that even carriers werent big enough to carry the super macs but mayb their only super carrier which was also destroyed at reach if you read halo: first strike it may have been big enough but would have made the gun inpractical considering how long it would have taken to charge up
spartan1080 2 months ago
@TBEClanMovies thats what the nuke mines are for. as you have read in the books they have been used to destroy the ship with the ship's shields CONTAINING the blast until the generaters were vaporized.
killer13324 2 months ago
@FearLancer2 If you do your Research Assault Carrier are beastly ships and have always Kicked the shit out of the UNSC.
TBEClanMovies 7 months ago
@Arthos455 A single ship? Well a Corvette is a ship and would have been fucked by a Frigate had the Mac Hit it, Or if they hit it with a Shiva Nuke, Spartans did not win space battles for the UNSC. The Pillar of Autumn fired extra-powerful Mac Blasts in 3 Round bursts, It was probably the second Most Deadly ship in the UNSC Fleet along with the UNSC SuperCarrier. The POA "Iced" over 5 ships at the battle of reach so learn what your talking about kid!
TBEClanMovies 10 months ago
@TBEClanMovies read to much or play to much do we?
Arthos455 9 months ago
@Arthos455 no its basic knowledge of Halo you have to know stuff to understand halo or your not going to be left dumb struck after each game
FearLancer2 9 months ago
@FearLancer2 you dont just gain knowledge T=T
Arthos455 9 months ago
@FearLancer2 let's put it this way, if u thing John-117 is the only spartan left, you're dead wrong. counting him there are 11 Spartan IIs surviving, and this is just the ones who were able to put on the armor and fight. PLUS the handful of spartan IIIs who are holed in the core of the shield world of onyx with linda fred kelly halsey and mendez
killer13324 2 months ago
@killer13324 I know very well that John isnt the only spartan because i've played all of the games and know alot of the background story there are alot of spartans not acounted for....especially at Onyx
FearLancer2 2 months ago
@FearLancer2 exactly i've read all of the novels thus far except glasslands, which i'm really hoping to get soon, and when i got curious i looked up any surviving spartan IIs still in the fight and i counted 11 including the master chief
killer13324 2 months ago
@Arthos455 So because i hae the all of the books over a space of 2 years and have a fantastic memory that means i do it too much? Considering none of these facts or any large scale battles are mentioned or seen in the games they don't come into this.
TBEClanMovies 9 months ago
@Arthos455 not true, a fully armored spatran II was equal in physical strength to the covenant's sangheili [aka elite] warriors. But with the sangheili's overwhelming sense of honor, they were inferior to any Spartan II active in the fight
killer13324 2 months ago
@Dantaroen the covenant would've obliterated the UNSC if it werent for the civil war within the covenant, splitting their forces considerably. That plus the chaos caused by the flood around the second halo ring, both sides were fighting on two fronts. If you asked me, humanity wouldve been extinguished from the universe if it werent for their alliance with the sangheili
killer13324 2 months ago
Very slick looking. :D
RobBobtron 1 year ago
Really nice dude.
ionshade3 1 year ago
Could you make a covenant version of this?
DarkKrusnik 1 year ago
@Helge129 really? Why? I mean take halo reach for example, bright colourful space with lumintaing gases in space :)
aitkensE04xXxRecon 1 year ago
@Helge129 Well yeah I saw that :) but it must be a really empty star system I guess XD
aitkensE04xXxRecon 1 year ago
@aitkensE04xXxRecon unless you look at the sun directly, you won't see that many stars in space either tbh.
Helge129 1 year ago
Maybe u couldve added a background as well :) I mean the black space
aitkensE04xXxRecon 1 year ago
@aitkensE04xXxRecon There are a few stars :)
Helge129 1 year ago
the fleet that protected reach was 50 times this size :D
Absolutely love the animation work here it is simply amazing !!!!!!!!!!!!!
RemusRomulas 1 year ago
longswords i like ill take them alland the carrier thats behind the camera
mastercollinify 1 year ago
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This was really epic
aitkensE04xXxRecon 1 year ago
Wow.. If u ever made a clip of like a battle scene thts lasts about 2 mins I'll be like so happy!!
aitkensE04xXxRecon 1 year ago
EXCELLENT work! id like to see more halo stuff :D
dudepersonmanstuff 1 year ago
Awesome work. Looked like it was actually a scene from Halo. Music fit perfectly too.
SteelGunner4104 1 year ago
awesome
vashonline 2 years ago
epic but can start to put there together it would look SOOOOOOOO kool
benkai09 2 years ago
6 frigates 2 destroyers and 2 cruisers
InsanelyMatt 2 years ago
@InsanelyMatt And a bunch of Longswords
DarthFolo 1 year ago
I counted 8 frigates and 2 marathon class crusiers
familyguyrofl 2 years ago
nice job there
gamedude1997 3 years ago
that looks awesome man. the music also sets the mood perfectly.
SPARTAN158x 3 years ago
damn man nice job
Stradic0 3 years ago