@projectbrumaire yes, i wonder about that. i hope that there will be some sort of trickle-down effect ... it's unfortunate Mr Kurzweil did not hear that last question properly as I would imagine he actually has some interesting thoughts about the problem (and it definitely is a problem, moreso than geriatry imo) of poverty.
@MonkeyBars1 I think this is a big issue, but under the assumption that those countries you are talking about are interested in the dominant form of technological progression, it would and should help. Using the internet to look up knowledge across the world is better than intelligence of a few. More education, more access to IT will almost always help imo, unless the country is faced with a locked down, autocratic government.
@projectbrumaire The actual consensus is that this is untrue, especially if you watch his other videos. MIPS has gone down significantly year over year. The technology the rich had a few years ago will be affordable for the poor and help their own development and even promote democratization. Arab spring in Egypt was a textbook example of the democratization of technology at work. In some cases, the poor need to rid themselves of the chains of autocratic governments and belief systems.
@Lifestream Two totally different things. I really don't even understand how the two compare. When brain augmentation comes, the few that can afford it will posses a vast superiority over all others, especially in knowledge intensive realms, the ones that make a lot of money. Even if eventually the price becomes more affordable, for a couple years a few people will literally be superior to all others, the power they have for that window cannot be overlooked carelessly. My only hope is astro
@Lifestream part 2 is that astrocytes will delay the technology long enough for me to have enough money to afford it myself. I figure I need only make as much as Mr Kurzweil, to have the same chance at the technology.
@projectbrumaire Generally when it's that expensive it's impractical and doesn't work very well. That's the whole point. It didn't take all that long for what many view as the best phone in the iPhone go from a rich person's toy in 2007 to half of all smartphone owners owning one in 2010. The issue of haves and have nots will be a big issue for a while, but technology has and will continue to flatten the world and make it more even. The graph shows a progression towards that.
the things that make a computer work, are that same laws that govern the physical processes that allow your brain to do what it does every second of every day. 100 years from now classical computing will be ancient history, humans will be far beyond the confines of our biological mind if we so choose, and we'll still be living by all the same laws that allow a cpu to run as well as our brain to function. you are already living inside a machine, and you are not your silly chemical based hardware.
@tyrannotron17 I think people view this as crazy today because it's an integration with technology that hasn't been seen yet. Ask nomads living in the Pleisocene forests about where we are today and they'd think we lived in an alternate dimension. I remember reading that after the Romans left, tribespeople from England saw the construction works they left behind and believed that some type of superhuman gods created them (aquaducts etc).
Agree with @mamola97. To admit that Singularity as stated by Kurzweil is possible is to admit God existance. To prove that Singularity is possible is to prove God existance. That's a very high goal to achieve and very valuable, I'm not against, but I belive it'll be impossible and unreachable.
When I said let's dream a truly human future I ment to say yes to use the technology for our own benefit i.e. eliminating deseases and poverty, etc. but not to loose our human identity.
@GoLoucho Ray would disagree with you based on some of the other interviews he has read. The idea of technological singularity has absolutely no bearing on existence of God, and if it does, it would be in the spiritual, personal sense, nothing more than that.
@MrVictorPhoenix If distant species already surpassed the singularity according to Kurzweil it'll take 200 years to make the Universe awake. 200 years in Universal scale is nothing, thow if the Singularity is really possible it already happened. There's a superhuman intelligence already that masters the Universe...you can call it GOD. So if singularity is possible we would be proving GOD existance!
I'm not saying not to work to solve all our problems, just I don't want to live inside a machine.
@mamola97 I have a similar view as yours but still a lot different , I think it is possible and that it has been done. if we can create AI robots in "near" future we can one day create full softwere simulation of our entire planet for example with every "living" organizam on it to be AI and that way create "the matrix" for those AI's . and if we can do that it is possible that we live in the matrix and even more that our creator/s is living in another matrix at an even higher level
@DigitalSoulArts I think you're right to some extent. One day I think we'll be able to back up and store the information of our minds rendering physical death next to obsolete. Whether we call it the Matrix is something, but I think more people would rather be actual living beings in something World of Warcraft ;)
Follow this simple reasoning: if this "Singularity" thing is possible why do you think that we are the only and first species in the Universe to achieve that? Most probably some other species in the Universe already achieved it and thus we are all living into some alien (God?) Matrix!!! Possible? Unlikely. I bet that the singularity as stated in Transcendent Man (enhanced copy of Asimov's "The last question" story) will never happen. Let's dream a truly human future.
@GoLoucho Why on earth would that be the only possibilities? What if some distant species has allready surpassed the singularity why would they need to be a god? or put us in the matrix?
A truly human future. What human? Is Medicine Human? Or is letting people suffer with diseases Human? Is people with Alzheimer losing them selves to the ravages of aging Human? I feel solving our problems is the most truly human thing we do.
@GoLoucho True, but there is no denying that, based on the trends, the cost of MIPS is going down, availability of technology is going up, and our integration of technology will continue. I would argue that just because Asimov wrote a parallel story to what is actually happening should be a testament to how much foresight Asimov actually had rather than a criticism to the work Ray has done. The process of integration of technology began far before Ray began studying it.
@stefanmetodijev Can you be a bit more precise? If you mean the article on 'accelerating change' - those are the old ones. This talk has a bunch of new ones that are not in the book either...
I say forget the philosophy, just keep in mind human well being and then get on with it. Loud-mouth Polemicists appear simply to test the market because its easy for the attention seekers to emotively position opposite established trends to harvest 'gullible energy' :D
As I posted on The Technology Review, where Paul Allen's article was first posted: "All these words just to say, I think Ray's date is wrong. What a waste." If Paul had any balls, he'd have provided his own date. No date...no balls.
What about astrocytes? He said add another ten years..
projectbrumaire 1 month ago
The Rich are the only ones who will get this technology, the poor will suffer I think.
projectbrumaire 1 month ago
@projectbrumaire yes, i wonder about that. i hope that there will be some sort of trickle-down effect ... it's unfortunate Mr Kurzweil did not hear that last question properly as I would imagine he actually has some interesting thoughts about the problem (and it definitely is a problem, moreso than geriatry imo) of poverty.
MonkeyBars1 3 weeks ago
@MonkeyBars1 I think this is a big issue, but under the assumption that those countries you are talking about are interested in the dominant form of technological progression, it would and should help. Using the internet to look up knowledge across the world is better than intelligence of a few. More education, more access to IT will almost always help imo, unless the country is faced with a locked down, autocratic government.
Lifestream 1 week ago
@projectbrumaire The actual consensus is that this is untrue, especially if you watch his other videos. MIPS has gone down significantly year over year. The technology the rich had a few years ago will be affordable for the poor and help their own development and even promote democratization. Arab spring in Egypt was a textbook example of the democratization of technology at work. In some cases, the poor need to rid themselves of the chains of autocratic governments and belief systems.
Lifestream 1 week ago
@Lifestream Two totally different things. I really don't even understand how the two compare. When brain augmentation comes, the few that can afford it will posses a vast superiority over all others, especially in knowledge intensive realms, the ones that make a lot of money. Even if eventually the price becomes more affordable, for a couple years a few people will literally be superior to all others, the power they have for that window cannot be overlooked carelessly. My only hope is astro
projectbrumaire 1 week ago
@Lifestream part 2 is that astrocytes will delay the technology long enough for me to have enough money to afford it myself. I figure I need only make as much as Mr Kurzweil, to have the same chance at the technology.
projectbrumaire 1 week ago
@projectbrumaire Generally when it's that expensive it's impractical and doesn't work very well. That's the whole point. It didn't take all that long for what many view as the best phone in the iPhone go from a rich person's toy in 2007 to half of all smartphone owners owning one in 2010. The issue of haves and have nots will be a big issue for a while, but technology has and will continue to flatten the world and make it more even. The graph shows a progression towards that.
Lifestream 5 days ago
the things that make a computer work, are that same laws that govern the physical processes that allow your brain to do what it does every second of every day. 100 years from now classical computing will be ancient history, humans will be far beyond the confines of our biological mind if we so choose, and we'll still be living by all the same laws that allow a cpu to run as well as our brain to function. you are already living inside a machine, and you are not your silly chemical based hardware.
tyrannotron17 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@tyrannotron17 I think people view this as crazy today because it's an integration with technology that hasn't been seen yet. Ask nomads living in the Pleisocene forests about where we are today and they'd think we lived in an alternate dimension. I remember reading that after the Romans left, tribespeople from England saw the construction works they left behind and believed that some type of superhuman gods created them (aquaducts etc).
Lifestream 1 week ago
Agree with @mamola97. To admit that Singularity as stated by Kurzweil is possible is to admit God existance. To prove that Singularity is possible is to prove God existance. That's a very high goal to achieve and very valuable, I'm not against, but I belive it'll be impossible and unreachable.
When I said let's dream a truly human future I ment to say yes to use the technology for our own benefit i.e. eliminating deseases and poverty, etc. but not to loose our human identity.
GoLoucho 2 months ago
@GoLoucho Ray would disagree with you based on some of the other interviews he has read. The idea of technological singularity has absolutely no bearing on existence of God, and if it does, it would be in the spiritual, personal sense, nothing more than that.
Lifestream 1 week ago
@MrVictorPhoenix If distant species already surpassed the singularity according to Kurzweil it'll take 200 years to make the Universe awake. 200 years in Universal scale is nothing, thow if the Singularity is really possible it already happened. There's a superhuman intelligence already that masters the Universe...you can call it GOD. So if singularity is possible we would be proving GOD existance!
I'm not saying not to work to solve all our problems, just I don't want to live inside a machine.
mamola97 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@mamola97 You don't have to it's your choice at the end of the day.
Usomadbros 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@mamola97 I have a similar view as yours but still a lot different , I think it is possible and that it has been done. if we can create AI robots in "near" future we can one day create full softwere simulation of our entire planet for example with every "living" organizam on it to be AI and that way create "the matrix" for those AI's . and if we can do that it is possible that we live in the matrix and even more that our creator/s is living in another matrix at an even higher level
DigitalSoulArts 1 month ago
@DigitalSoulArts actually to be precise I think of it as one of the possiblities not something of wich I am sure or either strongly convinced of.
DigitalSoulArts 1 month ago
@DigitalSoulArts I think you're right to some extent. One day I think we'll be able to back up and store the information of our minds rendering physical death next to obsolete. Whether we call it the Matrix is something, but I think more people would rather be actual living beings in something World of Warcraft ;)
Lifestream 1 week ago
Follow this simple reasoning: if this "Singularity" thing is possible why do you think that we are the only and first species in the Universe to achieve that? Most probably some other species in the Universe already achieved it and thus we are all living into some alien (God?) Matrix!!! Possible? Unlikely. I bet that the singularity as stated in Transcendent Man (enhanced copy of Asimov's "The last question" story) will never happen. Let's dream a truly human future.
GoLoucho 2 months ago
@GoLoucho Why on earth would that be the only possibilities? What if some distant species has allready surpassed the singularity why would they need to be a god? or put us in the matrix?
A truly human future. What human? Is Medicine Human? Or is letting people suffer with diseases Human? Is people with Alzheimer losing them selves to the ravages of aging Human? I feel solving our problems is the most truly human thing we do.
MrVictorPhoenix 2 months ago
@GoLoucho True, but there is no denying that, based on the trends, the cost of MIPS is going down, availability of technology is going up, and our integration of technology will continue. I would argue that just because Asimov wrote a parallel story to what is actually happening should be a testament to how much foresight Asimov actually had rather than a criticism to the work Ray has done. The process of integration of technology began far before Ray began studying it.
Lifestream 1 week ago
Speech begins around 4:45
sachamm 3 months ago 18
Does anybody know whether these slides are publicly available anywhere?
sdspieg 3 months ago 2
@sdspieg Wikipedia.
stefanmetodijev 2 months ago
@stefanmetodijev Can you be a bit more precise? If you mean the article on 'accelerating change' - those are the old ones. This talk has a bunch of new ones that are not in the book either...
sdspieg 2 months ago
@stefanmetodijev I did find them. Look on his AI website and then enter pps/KurzweilPowerPoint or /pps/TEDU09
sdspieg 2 months ago
Very good talk. I really liked his analogy between the laws of thermodynamics and Moore's law. I hadn't thought about it that way before.
LunchAnderson 3 months ago 2
I say forget the philosophy, just keep in mind human well being and then get on with it. Loud-mouth Polemicists appear simply to test the market because its easy for the attention seekers to emotively position opposite established trends to harvest 'gullible energy' :D
intermender 4 months ago 2
As I posted on The Technology Review, where Paul Allen's article was first posted: "All these words just to say, I think Ray's date is wrong. What a waste." If Paul had any balls, he'd have provided his own date. No date...no balls.
WesKahle 4 months ago 10
@WesKahle I'm sure Allen would simply assert that it is unpredictable, without making a case for the claim.
Saerain 4 months ago