thank you for sharing this very important footage of a extremely important moment in the history and progression of martial arts competition. please. as you watch this keep in mind it was 1951, and Mr. Gracie was still developing his personal approach to his art. to undermine the impact the Gracie family has had, whether you are a fan of the art or not, is just revisionist history in my opinion. respect should always be shown to the pioneers and the elders even as the art advances to new levels.
Hello, Helio did not "win" this one. Kimura bragged that if Gracie lasted more than a few minutes, Kimura would declare Gracie the champion. Kimura tossed Gracie for over and hour, and Kimura finally summited him with the hold that is now known as the Kimura. However, Kimura had much respect for Gracie and told Gracie that he had discovered techniques banned by the Kodokan.
Look at his bloody legs, they look like tree trunks! The gracies say that kimura won because he was alot heavier & inaccurately say he was 80lbs heavier & 9yrs younger which is bullshit, to those that know about kimura, he was 4yrs younger and 10lbs heavier, his usually weight was around 85kg. Judo is a more effective self defense art, whereas BJJ is a more effective sport art especially for mma.
@MUEEN007 out of experience the only problem judo has is a lack of knowledge when on the back,as they dont train it for competition purposes. a friend of mine is a black belt and i tapped him all day long, but once he started to not "give" me his back, it was a whole different kettle of fish. Combining arts is best as proven by mma.
@TheStudentofthegame yes I agree, their is less focus on newaza compared to bjj or jj, I don't train for sport but self-defense, the reason that kano focuses more on nage-waza, is because in a real fight, if you throw someone on the hard ground (concrete or even earth) they most likely won't get up, all fights start standing up, in mma you see alot of takedowns & you can get away with it because the ground is padded & you can't knee or 12-6 elbow someone.
@TheStudentofthegame To correct that statement, I would say that's generally the problem with 'sport' Judo. Depending where you learn, and what type of Judo you learn, there are different reactions committed to muscle memory. I for example am never taught to give up my back and have tapped a much larger opponent from my back (the vid is on my channel). There are certain habits to avoid with any art, and true, combination is the best idea.
Just being honest, A well trained judoka will beat a bjj fighter 9 times out of 10, I'm a brown belt in Judo, and I went to a bjj gym, They were good on the ground but fights start standing up. By the way they stood, and the way there force was going, I threw each person I fought. Don't get me wrong, Both are good, But judo, Is great.
@19Judoka95 really 9 times out of 10 a judoka beating a bjj fighter IN A GROUND GAME? you are saying that there were good on the ground but standing you beat them. OF COURSE your going to beat them standing(throws,sweeps & of course the bjj fighters is going to beat a judoka on the ground. they both are great & btw i beaten a black belt in judo in the standup and i tap him out(im the one who swept him). its not the style of art but the fighter himself. so please STFU.
@dortiz1514 I've fought multiple bjj guys and beet the, I got beat once, and every single fight was on the ground, You are right, it does depend on the fighter, but bjj isn't all hardcore shit, hate to break it to you.
@dortiz1514 Hello I'm not a trying to be mean, but but you sound really uneducated in martial arts. Because it's the fighter not the art when it comes to grappling. I do Judo and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu I even can say the name of my academy :) Alliance AZO look it up.I do not think you have ever stepped on a mat in your life. If you have and I quote " i beaten a black belt in judo in the standup and i tap him out(im the one who swept him)" then you have these a gym, coach, and a rank name them? :D
Look how badly Kimura humliated Helio and "BJJ". There is no comperason Kimura will always be the best and Judo will always remain the best as it has for centuries.
@Danieldx22 True but not by the gross exaggeration that the Gracie's lie about in their video. Also they made claims that "their style" could defeat a larger opponent. And steel weighs more than shit :)
@Machampion100 well, Helio is way too skinny and bjj stilled very similar to kosen judo witch was the art of Kimura, now days bjj is way different and nave more mma base. I ike judo, but the Olympics makes it less complete, and that really changes judo.
what are you people talking about, there is no best martial art, helio lost because this guy was a freaking beast and trained throws against fucking tree trunks. Only way you could compare styles trully would be if you cloned a guy, made them study different martial arts and then have them fight 100 battles to see who will win more times. ffs
@onokaoonokao One of the things looked for in a bout is which one of the martial art styles is clearly superior to the other. For instance Iron Palm vs. Judo. Ot Ninjitsu vs. Judo. Judo & Ju-Jitsu (ie. BJJ) have shown themselves to be pretty equal among experienced practitioners. Martial artists are always trying to determine which is the superior style - as they always want to practice in the best style.
Maeda, the founder of BJJ was sent from the Kodokan to tour the world. He arrived in Brazil way before WWII. He many others than the Gracies. NO ONE IN BRAZIL CALLS IT BJJ...THEY SIMPLY CALL IT JIU JITSU
@novanine9 yes; it's old judo as this video obviously reveals. Yes a japanese kodokan judoka named mitsuyo maeda went to brasil. he was a judoka. nothing more. he liked newaza and had applied his judo to match fighting. he taught HIS system to others in brasil which is why franka/fadda "bjj" looks exactly like gracie jj. The name "kosen" wasn't used until well after he left for brasil. kosen's not a different judo (or jiujutsu) it's judo by other rules. It's all judo folks.
@shinjukool Google newaza Hirata or Mitsunosuke, etc. search The Game of Jiujitsu by Yukio Tani written in 1905. It's obvious. In Brasil a wonderful sporting culture has been built around newaza focused judo and spread. excellent! great fun! But invent it? Add leverage? Come on. It's silly knowing all we know about the Japanese obsession with subtly/refinement, the kanji for jj and the size of Japanese people in the late 19th on into early 20th century. It's Kano's judo.
@shinjukool - You're right. I've got a 2nd Dan in Judo & purple belt in BJJ. There are no different techniques, either throws, sacrifices or chokes in either. The difference is in randori / sparring. Olympic judokas spend more of their time sparring the takedowns and BJJ practitioners spend more time on the ground game. That's it. The reason why the it's called Jiu Jitsu is because prior to 1960's...Judo was known as Kano Ryu Jiu Jitsu. Translated...Kano's Jiu Jitsu
thats why i train taekwondo , boxing , kickboxing , kyokushin and judo , and yes - it is possible :) if you like martial arts - you have to try all of them
I guess BJJ is very good on the ground , but the spirit of JUDO is stronger :)
We have seen several demonstrations in which practitioners of Karate can’t win the Ju-Jutsu fighters because the first ones don’t know what to do after being dropped to the ground. Long after the fight some of them use to tell that they couldn’t win without attacking the opponent's vital points.
“As a sport activity Martial Arts aren't real” so only the military men know better this hidden truth. e.g. They’ll never smash the opponents throat, break a leg, neck bones or blind a fellow during a sport competition and of course just because It’s not a valid strategy.
@Machampion100 60 years later, things have changed. Judo does not and never will have the ground game that BJJ has. Don't be foolish and equate your sport to the BJJ training methodology.
@PandawdyBob Judo does have the ground of BJJ its called newaza. All bjj moves come from judo. Name one move in bjj and i'll show a video of a judoka doing it. Watch Royce Gracie vs Yoshida(judoka) and you'll see Royce lose on the ground. BJJ is just Judo without the throws.
@Rayman77792 Back in that time Judo was 50/50 standing/ground unlike now just for a start. If you start training jabs and hooks in your Judo class you will not reach the same level in punching as a boxer no matter how much time you put at this training. The theory, approach, training conditions and experience of the system that you are being taught is important to your skill development.
If you do believe that BJJ did not evolved anything in the application of newaza and is just exactly what is taught at Judo then you are forgetting that everyone looking to improve their ground game looks at BJJ and not Judo or one japanese Jujitsu style. There is a reason for it or no professional fighter would throw his time away training BJJ.
I train Judo and plan into adding some BJJ classes to develop more my ground and I do recommend Judo to develop the standing game for BJJ guys too.
@Rayman77792 I've trained in both. Whether Judo has the moves or not is not the issue. The training methods are not the same. Judoka are weaker on the ground for that reason.
@PandawdyBob I know Judo is weaker on the ground. Thats why Royce Gracie lost to Yoshida on the ground. Because bjj is so much better on the ground (sarcasm).
@Machampion100 lol ok first of all bjj and judo are the same thing, all the same moves all the same submissions and sweeps, second of all that was not an easy fight, the judoka had a huge weight advantage and the fight still took a long time, by the rules of the fight the judoka "kimura" actually lost the fight lol, lately both bjj and judo have been getting schooled by fighters with college wrestling back grounds lol, just the way things go man
@sharkfinnigan actually if you knew anything about this fight you would know the first 10 minutes of this fight were staged. This has been discribed in detail in Kimura's book "My Judo" it was also written about in another book by Maeda who trained the Gracie family. also that "weight advantage" that he talks about in the video is a lie. Kimura's weight during the fight was 85k which is 187 lbs. Helio weighed in at 80k which is 176 lbs. Face it the Gracie's are liars and Judo will always win.
@Machampion100 Judo always win?? haha. then why almost ALL judoka who compete in MMA learn BJJ? everybody knows that kimura is the best judo fighter in history, but no one admits that Helio is the greatest BJJ fighter, Helio is a pioneer and a legend, but he is NOT the best Bjj fighter. he builds a legacy, family, and martial arts revolution through out the years, thats something that kimura hadn't achieved on his life. this video shows "old" style of BJJ. BJJ today is more evolved and complex.
but to sum it up. gracie basically won, cause of what Kimura said... kimura eventually did tap gracie out with the signature "Kimura" shoulder lock. and now gracie took this move and converted it to a BJJ version... now we have the BJJ Kimura shoulder lock. thanks for taking the time to read.
@rjvandy14 The fight also lasted 11 - 13 minutes, nowhere near half an hr. Apart from that I like your attitude to martial arts. I do both Judo and BJJ, and agree there is no "best"...just take what works and use it. It is all about the practitioner. This video is an ode to two legends, and Helio should also be proud despite losing this match. He is a pure warrior!!!
ok to continue what i was rambeling on about... (yeah i know i cant type, STFU)... but anyway, before this fight, Kimura told gracie if gracie could last 3 minutes with kimura, gracie would be crowned the winner, the fight lasted somewhere between 13 minutes and half an hour.... so from what kimura said gracie technically won the match.... gracie knew he would not win... well i mean of course not he was fighting one of the greatest martial artists... and gracie had vertigo...so everyone plz stfu
@rjvandy14 No offense, but you've been drinking the Gracie "Kool-Aid". Kimura never said anything about Gracie "winning if he lasted longer than 3 minutes". In fact Helio never claimed that either, this was made up by Rorion as an excuse for the loss. The size difference between them was also greatly exaggerated, Kimura's own biography claims he was 5kg heavier and not the 20kg Rorion mentions. Aso there is no "BJJ version" of the Kimura, it is one and the same thing.
not trying to be a smart ass... like some people here... but first off there is no BEST Martial Art... they all have there own goods and bads... some people are just better in their martial art than others... all this " ohh! this is better than that because..." no thats bullshit, you just have a lot of pride in what you do, i respect that, i really do it just gets to me when people act like a dumbass when trying to show their pride.... and 2nd.... i actually have to put in another comment...
@HistoryHmoobGuy to bad asians suck at the fighting they so called invented. When is the last time one became a champ in the states where the fights are not rigged and they test for roids?
@Mattixxg well while you u fuckin turds are fighting each other for our entertainment and jumpin around like chimps on a bball court n football we are writing yur checks and laughing!! whit men own your black ass always have always will now run nigger run!! dribble your stupid ball n punch each other in the face fo a small piece of the white mans money!!!
@Mattixxg A) All currencies are traded in terms of american dollars.
B) The US economy is weak because of top-down intervention and social planning.
C) A weak dollar could actually be a good thing if we weren't retarded and used the asymmetry to correct our trade imbalance.
D) What the fuck does that have to do with black people dominating sports? Ashkenazi Jews dominate Nobel Prizes, but are you ready to say "Oh, its just because Jews are smarter than we are."
@Mattixxg A) All currencies are traded in terms of american dollars.
B) The US economy is weak because of top-down intervention and social planning.
C) A weak dollar could actually be a good thing if we weren't retarded and used the asymmetry to correct our trade imbalance.
D) What the fuck does that have to do with black people dominating sports? Ashkenazi Jews dominate Nobel Prizes, but are you ready to say "Oh, its just because Jews are smarter than we are."
Catch is mainly catch as catch can, thats where the subs from catch come from. I'm not gna believe everything they write in wiki seems like anyone can post on it. Billy Robinson himself said that Kimura learned the Kimura lock from Karl Gotch. Kimura was a pro wrestler as well as Judoka, Japanese pro wrestling is mainly worked shoot fighting and pretty much every Japanese pro wrestler has catch wrestling training.
Maybe named after Masahiko Kimura?It's all an off shoot of judo.The arrogant brazilians didn't invent sh%t.Even after Hughes dominated another Gracie that ass h*le gave credit to BJJ, instead good ole American wrestling with a little judo.
Ude garami (kimura lock) very effective on ground fighting (BJJ and ne waza). Not that effective in standing submission grappling (like traditional jujutsu/chin na).
@RicardoKooh What do you train in? I always smile when i find people like you on youtube, who proabably train in traditional japanese martial arts and are aware the jujutsu is after all, not in its original form what you see on the tube today.
if it wasn't for the graices i doubt MMA would be as popular as it is today sorry but its true hate them or love them they did alooot for martial arts
But you must remember, because of Judo, "young" Gracie earned a thicker bush and longer if not a more fertile tool to allow him to enlarge his Gracie clan in Brazil!!
Don't be an ingrate to the art, Gracie. You are setting a bad example and karma to your clan!
Eh, "young" Gracie have earned his standing. Regardless of his antic or behavior, he proved he is a formidable opponent, a direct challenge to the judo federation.
Is pride the only thing the federation interest in? or really just another revitalization of interest?
The man is a student of the art, go back into the country spin off some of it and claimed it as his own? I would understand if some Japanese would have been angry. (also because he isn't Japanese)
sou um homem brasileiro... Jiu-jitsu brasileiro é um lixo, uma luta sem disciplina, ministrada por arrogantes que acham que podem tudo> como um lixo de pessoa pode ensinar algo de bom para qualquer dito atleta? Lixo pai, lixo filhos, vcs são a vergonha do esporte brasileiro. toda vez que vcs põe os pés no tatame seja ganhando e principalmente perdendo produzem espetáculos deploráveis de arrogância, falta de compostura, disciplina e caráter... SEM BREÇO... ETERNO IDIOTA
lets not forget kimura was like 220lbs. many years younger. helio gracie 140lbs. i love all martial arts, but the gracies transformed what everyone thought fighting was. gracie jiu jitsu has even made me more interested in judo. come on people give it up allready. two big things happend in martial arts so far, BRUCE LEE, and GRACIE JIU JITSU.
@tylerdurdin First thing, Masahiko Kimura was not many years younger than Helio Gracie. Kimura was only 4 years younger than Gracie. The fight took place in 1951. Gracie was born in 1913 and Kimura in 1917. That means that Gracie was 38 and Kimura 34 at the time of their match. Second, Kimura was never 220lbs. That's something the Gracie family, mainly Rorion has been telling people for years. Kimura at his biggest was only 5'6" and 187lbs. Yes, bigger than Gracie, but nowhere near 220lbs.
@tylerdurdin instead of "many years younger" and 220lbs, wikipedia says Kimura was 4yr younger and only weighed 187lbs. Also, Helio admitted to being choked out earlier in the match and regaining consciousness quickly after the choke was released. By judo rules, Kimura would have won many times over for ippon throws and 25second hold downs. For Helio to challenge him under submission-only rules on a soft mat then let his arm be broken is against the spirit of his own rules, not heroic.
I could see why, Helio even refused to fight Judo Gene LeBell. Despite that BJJ kicks ass. To make a claim that the Gracie's had an unbeatable system, was arrogant in their part. It can, and has been beaten.
@wutingchou don't get me wrong, they are formidabble, but I don't like arrogance. Bruce Lee is a perfect example, he talked the talk, and walked the walk, but was still a humble man.
Interesting fact: Helio Gracie suffered a broken arm at the hands of a Japanese man applying a kimura. Then his grandson Renzo suffered a broken arm at the hands of another Japanese man applying, guess what... a kimura o.O
@iloveasiangirls actually i think its sakuraba..i could be wrong, but he pulled kimuras on like 3 of the gracies he fought and was known as the gracie killer for it..then one of the younger gracies just owned him...Ralek I believe
@OffspringFTW65 He is known as the Gracie hunter, and He only pulled off a kimura on Renzo, Royce beat Sakuraba in the rematch but Royce tested positive for steroids and then he got owned from Ralek Gracie like you said .
@iloveasiangirls Helio Gracie's arm was broken at the hands of a Japanese man named Masahiko Kimura who applied a "Gyaku ude-garami". The technique didn't come to be known as the "Kimura" until afterwards.
Also, Renzo Gracie isn't Helio's grandson. Renzo is the grandson of Carlos Gracie. Helio was Renzo's great-uncle. The rest is correct. He also had his arm broken by a Japanese guy, who applied a "Gyaku ude-garami" (aka Kimura lock) on him.
@barrettokarate I have to apologize for my lack of knowledge, I'm relatively new to martial arts. I was unaware as to the actual lineage from Helio to Renzo. Thank you for clearing that up. Also, I didn't mean to imply that it was always called a "kimura". I simply was ignorant as to the Japanese name (My first language is English and I've never taken a Judo class) .
I just thought two Gracies getting their arms broken by two Japanese men applying the exact same hold was an interesting fact:)
@barrettokarate Sakuraba had Royler's arm in a bad looking position with the Kimura/ Gyaku ude-garami/ double wrist lock, was he injured in anyway? Think he def would have been if the ref didn't stop it. Ofc i know Royler is his son not grandson just wondered if he got injured cos his arm was nearly touching his head.
@iloveasiangirls Another interesting fact: The technique used to break Helio's arm is actually called an Ude Garami. Helio coined the term "Kimura" lock after being defeated by Masahiko Kimura. Which is of course, the Judoka that applied the technique.
@EricRyanCronin well, the fact that they had no idea what it was called...just like kata gatami, they call it an arm triangle..or ezekiel choke is actualy katate jime.....yet they take credit for inventing these holds.
@CyBeRTRoNFLuX Ezekiel choke is actually called Sode Guruma Jime in Judo. The Kimura lock was double wrist lock in catch yrs b 4 Judo or BJJ had been founded. A lot of techniques have prob been practiced for centuries. I love Judo and BJJ Kano invented a lot more than the Gracies IMO cos he refined techniques and created a sport format so they could be practiced against fully resisting opponents, The Gracies changed the rules a bit and come up with some set ups and called it their own.
@Jimmynable 1. Wrestling, like boxing, are instinctive, and NOT martial arts. 2. They are both universal as bases. Blocking, ducking, punching, single and double legs, sprawling, slams, all universal and children can come up with them. 3. Judo is a gathering of ancient jujitsu with a focus on technique not requiring a strength advantage(anti-wrestling usually) brougth to high efficiency. 4. Catch wrestling is from the late 1800s, Judo is from the same time,but is from Jujitsu and is an extension
No. Just no. Neither boxing nor wrestling are instinctive. Punching and crappling are. Boxing is not just swinging your arms around and wrestling is more just rolling around on the ground. They require training to use effectively, like any other martial art.
@albinocaveslug I throw a punch at you, whats your kid instincts? Dodge or block with your fore arms. You try to take down somebody, what do you do? You grab a leg or two. You try to avoid being taken down properly with no training, you sprawl. You might perfect these with sport practice and streetfighting, but they ARE instinctive. I know cause its what I used back in intermediate and middle school. You try to choke someone, the most instinctive is the gullotine. There are rip off moves added.
Just because the 'kid instincts' resemble what you see in boxing or wrestling doesn't mean they're the same thing. First off, I can see how you'd thing the boxing cover would be instinctive. What isn't instinctive is to block and defend at the same time. Other parts of the overall boxing defense include parries, slipping and evasive footwork. On the offensive side of things, there's the body mechanics to punching and how to punch with your entire body rather than just your arms.
On the wrestling side, you grossly oversimplify the shot and the sprawl both. The shot is not simply a bum's rush to the midsection. The ability to drop one's center of gravity and move to engage that quickly is something that MUST be trained. Also, I'd bet dimes to dollars that your 'guillotine' wouldn't choke anyone. It's most likely a neck crank with a little air choke involved. That is NOT the same as a real guillotine. It seems you don't know that.
@albinocaveslug Its the basics of wrestling. Most everything a wrestler does is gross motor skill and natural logical deduction after some minor sparring experience. A neck crank is far better than an air choke, and I am a judoka for that matter, your catch and other bs is a rip off, and greco-roman is so instinctive its sad. Your just sad Westerners trying desperately to claim gross motor skill as an art.
@albinocaveslug Agreed. Boxing footwork is anything but instinctive, it's actually the complete opposite to walking and turning your weight into the punches isn't instinctive either and it takes proper skill to learn how to avoid punches. It could be seen as instinctive to grab someone's jacket or shirt if your were to fight them in a street fight at clinching range.
@wiggalama I believe the Kimura would have been used in Catch before Judo (illegal Judo technique anyway) and as the Gracies had not seen it before, if it was in Judo surely Maeda would have taught them it? Traditional Jujutsu was the Samurai's unarmed combat techniques designed for the battle field, the Kimura lock wouldn't really have been that effective for the Samurai as there is nothing stopping ur opponent from stabbing u to death wiv his free hand while u have no hands free.
@Jimmynable 1. The reverse ude-garami goes back to at least the 1000s c.e. (1000ad), though a crappier version existed in Pankration supposidely. 2. Catch is from the late 1800s and was folk wrestling, Judo was founded as Jiguro Kano Jujitsu in 1882, and everthing Catch claims is universal to grappling and existed long before Catch was coined as specific sport guildlines. 3. JUDO IS NOT A SPORT, IT IS FIRST AND FOREMOST AN ART OF WAR. 4. Armored combat required grappling when weapon broken fool.
@wiggalama Lets keep the discussion adult shall we. Whose weapon? What if yours is broken and opponents isn't? And it doesn't require a weapon to be broken u could just be too close to use it. Catch is derived from Lancashire catch as catch can which is older than Judo. Fair point about Pankration there's been discovered ancient Egyptian drawings of ppl fighting ground fighting many yrs b 4. The human body only moves in so many ways.
@Jimmynable If your opponents weapon is not broken he will have the advantage. Jujitsu was to give you a slight chance of taking him to the ground and trying to disarm him and kill him, and the reverse ude-garami is "exactly" such a technique since you go for that arm. Catch wrestling derives from a number different styles, the English style of Lancashire Catch-as-Catch-Can Wrestling, Irish Collar-and-elbow, Greco Roman Wrestling, styles of the Indian Pehlwani and Iranian Varzesh-e Pahlavani.
@wiggalama U do understand why Kano created Judo? U understand his theory of taking no lethal Jujutsu techniques and refining them so they can be practiced in sparring safely? Judo is anything but an art of war as u put it. It means gentle way Kano set up sport grappling matches against Jujutsu practitioners to showcase the effectiveness of live sparring and the sport he invented. Last time I checked Judo was in the Olympics as a competition event, I think that would make it a sport.
@Jimmynable Another faggot moralist *sighs* Kano codified it for the military and for street fighting in general, the sport aspect is a result of the sparring rules and nationalism. Look at Kyoto and what they use. He didn't abadon the best techniques, he made them more efficient, and if you think strangling or choking, breaking knees and eblows, throwing people on thier spine or head, or neck cranking isn't lethal, you got another thing coming. art of softness=jujitsu , way of softness=judo
@wiggalama Like I said lets keep the discussion adult I didn't insult u so be a man and not do it back to me not everyone is going to agree with u on everything. Jujutsu is out dated and Kano recognized that. Maybe Kano didn't mean for Judo to be a sport but I think he did, it just happens that sports can also be great self defense. A lot of the techniques u mentioned can be executed in self defense without being lethal. I'm not moralist I love a good street fight as long as it's fair.
@Jimmynable Whats "adult" about viewing the martial arts as anything less than killing in warfare for the greater prosperity and happiness of your family? Its about efficiency, and mocking the GM with such views are pathetic. Jujitsu was outdated in terms of the moves and ideas that emphasized wearing armor, so he focused on quick grappling mixed with striking to a minor degree(see calf kick in o soto gari for example). If you can use a move in a more lethal way, you DO IT. FAIR is not in St.Ft.
@wiggalama By 'adult' I meant without stupid insults. By out dated I mean that a lot of the lethal techniques designed to be used on a battle field no longer apply when wars are fought with guns and bombs, etc. Why would u use a technique in a lethal way if there is no need to do it and land yourself in prison? Ofc there are fair street fights, no rules but if two like minded ppl wanna go at it sort their differences out like that then fine.
@Jimmynable It can be pronouced either way grammar nazi and a calf kick is kicking WITH the calf, generally towards the side of the knee or thigh, jesus lol
@wiggalama I doubt u have ever done Judo. It's not a kick. Osoto Gari u break the balance and put the weight on the leg ur attacking then drive towards the shoulder and sweep the leg back, it's a reaping throw, it's not a strike. Tell me what belt are u?
@Jimmynable It is still a kick, and you are forgetting 2 things. First, Judo is secretly grappling and striking combined in that most of the tachiwaza moves are a combination. Second, you are forgetting the upper body's involvement which is often as a stabilizer and a shifter to the opposite side of the leg you are using. You drive towards YOUR shoulder. You are hitting your opponent fairly hard with your calf, so its technically striking with your calf, thus technically striking with grappling.
@iloveasiangirls OH HELL NO YOU JUST DIDN'T...that other Japanese man is Sakuraba!...how you think the Kimura came to be, it was named after Kimura who beat Gracie in the '50s
The Gracies stole the ju jitsu art and the Japanese want it back!
This is great. Gracie fought Kimura and gave him more experience to make BJJ better. It doesn't matter if he won or lost, what matters is the experience he gained from the match. Now if your a real martial artist, you should do the same.
@Hankthejollyspoon everyone speaks as if he lost, but the reality is that this experience is truely a win. He grew more as a person then Kimura did. He did this match when he was out of his prime and did it before Royce was even born. He was hungry for the challenge and that is how true champions are made. Look at Micky Ward, he had several losses but beat boxers that were undefeated. Don't look at a persons record, look who they fought. Thanks for your awesome comment.
@MasterKanaar No problem, did you know Kimura lost 4 times too? when he was 17 he lost 4 matches at near the same time, and thought about quitting, but his friends said to continue, and he practised OSotoGari on a tree hundreds of times, and he ended up giving so many people concussion with it that his opponents asked him not to use it. He also advanced to a high grade in Karate as well, and did wrestling as well.
As the Japanese say: 'No Kimura before Kimura, No Kimura after Kimura'.
@doomaflatchie He practised the 'Gari' on saplings, until he got amazing Kime on the backwards snapping action., I got concussion off'f a perfectly timed osoto-gari, I can well believe that he was able to do it at-will.
Many, many Judoka, skilled and poor, still do a sort of half Gari half Gake on the reaps, as timing and accuracy is so needed to do them, it's far easier to use just a little push, a little lift, than practise again and again.
when helio lost to kimura they say it was because kimura was bigger and stronger but when royce beat bigger guys they go around saying bjj can beat a man much larger than him
There is no reason to disrespect Helio, the Gracies, or even BJJ. The simple truth is Kimura beat Heloi at this battle. That's it. These two warriors will both go down in history as masterful legends. To say the Gracies have not done anything for the sport is absurd.
Eu sou brasileiro e todos sabem no Brasil que mestre Kimura venceu Mestre Gracie. Inclusive, o golpe que ele aplicou no Mestre Gracie ficou conhecido no meu país com Kimura em homenagem ao Mestre vencedor do combate. O que apenas um jornal da época falou não deve ser levado em conta, mas sim o que o próprio Mestre Gracie falou: "ele me venceu honestamente, aprendi com a derrota e por isso estou mais forte agora".
In his own words , Helio said that he foght Kimura mainly to see what Kimura will use against him , because he knew that was a impossible win .
Many people said that Kimura was stronger and defeat Helio because of that . watch at 0:13 ... Helio is on his back , but Kimura just pass his guard like it was nothing . This have nothing to do with being strong . It is nice to read the words description of the fight .
Helio was good , but Kimura was impossible to beat at that time .
Yeah he was a Judoka, but Judo came from from Japanese Jiu-Jitsu, so you could argue that he was also a Jiu-Jitsu fighter, but Judoka is more accurate.
thank you for sharing this very important footage of a extremely important moment in the history and progression of martial arts competition. please. as you watch this keep in mind it was 1951, and Mr. Gracie was still developing his personal approach to his art. to undermine the impact the Gracie family has had, whether you are a fan of the art or not, is just revisionist history in my opinion. respect should always be shown to the pioneers and the elders even as the art advances to new levels.
MrByaeger 1 day ago
Hello, Helio did not "win" this one. Kimura bragged that if Gracie lasted more than a few minutes, Kimura would declare Gracie the champion. Kimura tossed Gracie for over and hour, and Kimura finally summited him with the hold that is now known as the Kimura. However, Kimura had much respect for Gracie and told Gracie that he had discovered techniques banned by the Kodokan.
That story was stated by Helio himself.
ronin752 1 week ago
Judo and Jiu Jitsu are almost the same thing.
stidhemw 2 weeks ago
Look at his bloody legs, they look like tree trunks! The gracies say that kimura won because he was alot heavier & inaccurately say he was 80lbs heavier & 9yrs younger which is bullshit, to those that know about kimura, he was 4yrs younger and 10lbs heavier, his usually weight was around 85kg. Judo is a more effective self defense art, whereas BJJ is a more effective sport art especially for mma.
MUEEN007 3 weeks ago
@MUEEN007 out of experience the only problem judo has is a lack of knowledge when on the back,as they dont train it for competition purposes. a friend of mine is a black belt and i tapped him all day long, but once he started to not "give" me his back, it was a whole different kettle of fish. Combining arts is best as proven by mma.
TheStudentofthegame 2 weeks ago
@TheStudentofthegame yes I agree, their is less focus on newaza compared to bjj or jj, I don't train for sport but self-defense, the reason that kano focuses more on nage-waza, is because in a real fight, if you throw someone on the hard ground (concrete or even earth) they most likely won't get up, all fights start standing up, in mma you see alot of takedowns & you can get away with it because the ground is padded & you can't knee or 12-6 elbow someone.
MUEEN007 2 weeks ago
@TheStudentofthegame To correct that statement, I would say that's generally the problem with 'sport' Judo. Depending where you learn, and what type of Judo you learn, there are different reactions committed to muscle memory. I for example am never taught to give up my back and have tapped a much larger opponent from my back (the vid is on my channel). There are certain habits to avoid with any art, and true, combination is the best idea.
noose357 5 days ago
Just being honest, A well trained judoka will beat a bjj fighter 9 times out of 10, I'm a brown belt in Judo, and I went to a bjj gym, They were good on the ground but fights start standing up. By the way they stood, and the way there force was going, I threw each person I fought. Don't get me wrong, Both are good, But judo, Is great.
19Judoka95 1 month ago
@19Judoka95 really 9 times out of 10 a judoka beating a bjj fighter IN A GROUND GAME? you are saying that there were good on the ground but standing you beat them. OF COURSE your going to beat them standing(throws,sweeps & of course the bjj fighters is going to beat a judoka on the ground. they both are great & btw i beaten a black belt in judo in the standup and i tap him out(im the one who swept him). its not the style of art but the fighter himself. so please STFU.
dortiz1514 1 month ago
@dortiz1514 I've fought multiple bjj guys and beet the, I got beat once, and every single fight was on the ground, You are right, it does depend on the fighter, but bjj isn't all hardcore shit, hate to break it to you.
19Judoka95 1 month ago
@dortiz1514 Hello I'm not a trying to be mean, but but you sound really uneducated in martial arts. Because it's the fighter not the art when it comes to grappling. I do Judo and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu I even can say the name of my academy :) Alliance AZO look it up.I do not think you have ever stepped on a mat in your life. If you have and I quote " i beaten a black belt in judo in the standup and i tap him out(im the one who swept him)" then you have these a gym, coach, and a rank name them? :D
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duckyoumissed 3 weeks ago
Look how badly Kimura humliated Helio and "BJJ". There is no comperason Kimura will always be the best and Judo will always remain the best as it has for centuries.
Machampion100 1 month ago 2
@Machampion100 well said.
shinjukool 1 month ago
@Machampion100 Kimura weights way more than Helio.
Danieldx22 1 month ago
@Danieldx22 True but not by the gross exaggeration that the Gracie's lie about in their video. Also they made claims that "their style" could defeat a larger opponent. And steel weighs more than shit :)
Machampion100 1 month ago
@Machampion100 well, Helio is way too skinny and bjj stilled very similar to kosen judo witch was the art of Kimura, now days bjj is way different and nave more mma base. I ike judo, but the Olympics makes it less complete, and that really changes judo.
Danieldx22 1 month ago
Judo is king.
Machampion100 1 month ago
Kimura said that day: If it lasts more than 3 minutes can be considered the winner ... Helio endured 13 minutes ...
roberto455 1 month ago
@roberto455 Of course, Helio did bring a coffin to the arena and state he was going to put Masahiko in it, if I recall.
Suigetsukanno 1 month ago
what are you people talking about, there is no best martial art, helio lost because this guy was a freaking beast and trained throws against fucking tree trunks. Only way you could compare styles trully would be if you cloned a guy, made them study different martial arts and then have them fight 100 battles to see who will win more times. ffs
onokaoonokao 2 months ago 23
@onokaoonokao agree but Kimura was more skilled across the board. read his bio "My Judo".
shinjukool 2 months ago
@onokaoonokao Then maybe Gracie shouldn't of challenged the beast that could throw tree trunks..
169bmer 1 month ago
@onokaoonokao One of the things looked for in a bout is which one of the martial art styles is clearly superior to the other. For instance Iron Palm vs. Judo. Ot Ninjitsu vs. Judo. Judo & Ju-Jitsu (ie. BJJ) have shown themselves to be pretty equal among experienced practitioners. Martial artists are always trying to determine which is the superior style - as they always want to practice in the best style.
onthemoney90 1 week ago
Kimura toyed with him.
Don't confuse JUDO with Olympic Judo.
BJJ = Baiscally Japanese Judo ... it's old judo folks
There are umpteen videos on YouTube and books elsewhere that reveal that clearly to all but the Gracie Koolaid Cult.
BJJ is a tactical and training emphasis on JUDO newaza.
Tough guys, skilled fighters, respect that .. but it's judo folks not some special Brazilian art.
it's stripped of J-culture and no standup so more people will do it. money
shinjukool 2 months ago
@shinjukool - BJJ = Pre WWII KOSEN JUDO
Maeda, the founder of BJJ was sent from the Kodokan to tour the world. He arrived in Brazil way before WWII. He many others than the Gracies. NO ONE IN BRAZIL CALLS IT BJJ...THEY SIMPLY CALL IT JIU JITSU
novanine9 2 months ago
@novanine9 yes; it's old judo as this video obviously reveals. Yes a japanese kodokan judoka named mitsuyo maeda went to brasil. he was a judoka. nothing more. he liked newaza and had applied his judo to match fighting. he taught HIS system to others in brasil which is why franka/fadda "bjj" looks exactly like gracie jj. The name "kosen" wasn't used until well after he left for brasil. kosen's not a different judo (or jiujutsu) it's judo by other rules. It's all judo folks.
shinjukool 2 months ago
@shinjukool Google newaza Hirata or Mitsunosuke, etc. search The Game of Jiujitsu by Yukio Tani written in 1905. It's obvious. In Brasil a wonderful sporting culture has been built around newaza focused judo and spread. excellent! great fun! But invent it? Add leverage? Come on. It's silly knowing all we know about the Japanese obsession with subtly/refinement, the kanji for jj and the size of Japanese people in the late 19th on into early 20th century. It's Kano's judo.
shinjukool 2 months ago
@shinjukool - You're right. I've got a 2nd Dan in Judo & purple belt in BJJ. There are no different techniques, either throws, sacrifices or chokes in either. The difference is in randori / sparring. Olympic judokas spend more of their time sparring the takedowns and BJJ practitioners spend more time on the ground game. That's it. The reason why the it's called Jiu Jitsu is because prior to 1960's...Judo was known as Kano Ryu Jiu Jitsu. Translated...Kano's Jiu Jitsu
novanine9 2 months ago
thats why i train taekwondo , boxing , kickboxing , kyokushin and judo , and yes - it is possible :) if you like martial arts - you have to try all of them
I guess BJJ is very good on the ground , but the spirit of JUDO is stronger :)
bask01chn1 2 months ago
@bask01chn1 fuck taekwondo lol
demblackfeet 1 month ago
@demblackfeet lmao!!!!!!!!!
sharkfinnigan 1 month ago
Hélio got beaten, Kimura was a WAY Better fighter = end of story.
pkjdm 2 months ago 2
Original practitioners of Judo and Jiujitsu arent used to seeing steroids. Royce is only 170. And now everyone knows what submission looks like.
Lordofthenipplerings 2 months ago
I love these martial arts!
chicabobica 2 months ago
bitches
McRibman 2 months ago
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Kimura broke Gracie's arm he got our broken arm
why not thrown in the towel before breaking the arm of the helio
homen123456 2 months ago
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Kimura broke Gracie's arm he got our broken arm
why not thrown in the towel before breaking the arm of the helium
homen123456 2 months ago
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Msuhlcke 3 months ago
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We have seen several demonstrations in which practitioners of Karate can’t win the Ju-Jutsu fighters because the first ones don’t know what to do after being dropped to the ground. Long after the fight some of them use to tell that they couldn’t win without attacking the opponent's vital points.
TheWolfjr 3 months ago in playlist Karate World. (19 Styles)
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“As a sport activity Martial Arts aren't real” so only the military men know better this hidden truth. e.g. They’ll never smash the opponents throat, break a leg, neck bones or blind a fellow during a sport competition and of course just because It’s not a valid strategy.
TheWolfjr 3 months ago in playlist Karate World. (19 Styles)
From what i understand Kimura learned that douoble wrist lock from catch wrestlers. So its not a judo technique
Leonidas3888 3 months ago
lol nice "BJJ." Look how easily he was defeated, how pathetic. Judo forever.
Machampion100 3 months ago
@Machampion100 60 years later, things have changed. Judo does not and never will have the ground game that BJJ has. Don't be foolish and equate your sport to the BJJ training methodology.
PandawdyBob 3 months ago
@PandawdyBob you know whats quite funny is that the first 5 gracie defeats after this were all by kimura :P
TheObelix876 3 months ago
@PandawdyBob Judo does have the ground of BJJ its called newaza. All bjj moves come from judo. Name one move in bjj and i'll show a video of a judoka doing it. Watch Royce Gracie vs Yoshida(judoka) and you'll see Royce lose on the ground. BJJ is just Judo without the throws.
Rayman77792 2 months ago
@Rayman77792 Back in that time Judo was 50/50 standing/ground unlike now just for a start. If you start training jabs and hooks in your Judo class you will not reach the same level in punching as a boxer no matter how much time you put at this training. The theory, approach, training conditions and experience of the system that you are being taught is important to your skill development.
joaoclaudevandamme 2 months ago
If you do believe that BJJ did not evolved anything in the application of newaza and is just exactly what is taught at Judo then you are forgetting that everyone looking to improve their ground game looks at BJJ and not Judo or one japanese Jujitsu style. There is a reason for it or no professional fighter would throw his time away training BJJ.
I train Judo and plan into adding some BJJ classes to develop more my ground and I do recommend Judo to develop the standing game for BJJ guys too.
joaoclaudevandamme 2 months ago
@Rayman77792 I've trained in both. Whether Judo has the moves or not is not the issue. The training methods are not the same. Judoka are weaker on the ground for that reason.
PandawdyBob 2 months ago
@PandawdyBob I know Judo is weaker on the ground. Thats why Royce Gracie lost to Yoshida on the ground. Because bjj is so much better on the ground (sarcasm).
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PandawdyBob 2 months ago
@Rayman77792 And then Royce won the rematch with strikes. I guess that means BJJ is better for striking vs. Judo??
PandawdyBob 2 months ago
@PandawdyBob It was a draw actually ... and funny that the Jiujitsu expert decided not to wear his gi vs the weaker ground fighter Judoka?
Wake up. BJJ is JUDO. For match fighting originally and now turned into a ground fighting focused wrestling sport.
shinjukool 2 months ago
@Machampion100 lol ok first of all bjj and judo are the same thing, all the same moves all the same submissions and sweeps, second of all that was not an easy fight, the judoka had a huge weight advantage and the fight still took a long time, by the rules of the fight the judoka "kimura" actually lost the fight lol, lately both bjj and judo have been getting schooled by fighters with college wrestling back grounds lol, just the way things go man
sharkfinnigan 2 months ago
@sharkfinnigan actually if you knew anything about this fight you would know the first 10 minutes of this fight were staged. This has been discribed in detail in Kimura's book "My Judo" it was also written about in another book by Maeda who trained the Gracie family. also that "weight advantage" that he talks about in the video is a lie. Kimura's weight during the fight was 85k which is 187 lbs. Helio weighed in at 80k which is 176 lbs. Face it the Gracie's are liars and Judo will always win.
Machampion100 2 months ago
@Machampion100 lol ok man, im done arguing with a 12 year old,
sharkfinnigan 2 months ago
@sharkfinnigan Im just pointing out your flaws. Thats all.
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SirRediazVh 2 months ago
@Machampion100 Judo always win?? haha. then why almost ALL judoka who compete in MMA learn BJJ? everybody knows that kimura is the best judo fighter in history, but no one admits that Helio is the greatest BJJ fighter, Helio is a pioneer and a legend, but he is NOT the best Bjj fighter. he builds a legacy, family, and martial arts revolution through out the years, thats something that kimura hadn't achieved on his life. this video shows "old" style of BJJ. BJJ today is more evolved and complex.
SirRediazVh 2 months ago
either way I agree on that one... BJJ and Judo are both great :P
HeavyMetalArmor936 3 months ago 3
So... that's where the Kimura term originated... hehe nice :D
HeavyMetalArmor936 3 months ago
Old school
FantomasMXss 3 months ago
Why the fuck is there 2 dislikes at this ??
shibuyagto 4 months ago
holy cow..the named it after him..awesome
lpalalay 4 months ago
but to sum it up. gracie basically won, cause of what Kimura said... kimura eventually did tap gracie out with the signature "Kimura" shoulder lock. and now gracie took this move and converted it to a BJJ version... now we have the BJJ Kimura shoulder lock. thanks for taking the time to read.
rjvandy14 4 months ago
@rjvandy14 The fight also lasted 11 - 13 minutes, nowhere near half an hr. Apart from that I like your attitude to martial arts. I do both Judo and BJJ, and agree there is no "best"...just take what works and use it. It is all about the practitioner. This video is an ode to two legends, and Helio should also be proud despite losing this match. He is a pure warrior!!!
wildchilde69 4 months ago
ok to continue what i was rambeling on about... (yeah i know i cant type, STFU)... but anyway, before this fight, Kimura told gracie if gracie could last 3 minutes with kimura, gracie would be crowned the winner, the fight lasted somewhere between 13 minutes and half an hour.... so from what kimura said gracie technically won the match.... gracie knew he would not win... well i mean of course not he was fighting one of the greatest martial artists... and gracie had vertigo...so everyone plz stfu
rjvandy14 4 months ago
@rjvandy14 No offense, but you've been drinking the Gracie "Kool-Aid". Kimura never said anything about Gracie "winning if he lasted longer than 3 minutes". In fact Helio never claimed that either, this was made up by Rorion as an excuse for the loss. The size difference between them was also greatly exaggerated, Kimura's own biography claims he was 5kg heavier and not the 20kg Rorion mentions. Aso there is no "BJJ version" of the Kimura, it is one and the same thing.
wildchilde69 4 months ago
not trying to be a smart ass... like some people here... but first off there is no BEST Martial Art... they all have there own goods and bads... some people are just better in their martial art than others... all this " ohh! this is better than that because..." no thats bullshit, you just have a lot of pride in what you do, i respect that, i really do it just gets to me when people act like a dumbass when trying to show their pride.... and 2nd.... i actually have to put in another comment...
rjvandy14 4 months ago
@rjvandy14 well,. you have the cushion for a mat to thank for,. thats why gracie lasted long,.
Nayayotsu 3 months ago 7
judo forever bjj is nothing without judo NOT JIU JUTSU FROM JAPAN I MEAN BJJ.
go fuck yourselfs you bjj nuthuggers judo always wins
judopathoftruth 4 months ago
Its like watching 2 pythons go at each other
sgmillington1 5 months ago
ASIANS INVENTED FIGHTING, boxing and wrestling dont count because it is too gay
HistoryHmoobGuy 5 months ago
@HistoryHmoobGuy to bad asians suck at the fighting they so called invented. When is the last time one became a champ in the states where the fights are not rigged and they test for roids?
matthewroderick84 4 months ago
@matthewroderick84 Asians suck at fighting ? LOL
Yodsaenklai, Buakaw Por Pramuk, Masato, Malaipet, Norifumi Yamamoto, Shinya Aoki, ??? EVER HEARD OF THEM?, didnt think so you typical dumb ass UFC cock sucker !!!
Oh yea! american white fighters are soooooooo goooooood, thats why their belt is always taken away by Brazillian fighters. LOL
HistoryHmoobGuy 4 months ago
@HistoryHmoobGuy i am japanese ! the strongest of all asians! and i will kick your white ass in front of your mother!
ROBOSKOT 4 months ago
@ROBOSKOT dude im asian ! WTF ???
HistoryHmoobGuy 4 months ago
@matthewroderick84 Name one white boxing champ ?
Manny Pacquiao / Nonito Donaire...Both Asian and both champion right now
HistoryHmoobGuy 4 months ago
@HistoryHmoobGuy
To add: Cung Le
Not to mention alot of Kyokushin & Muay Thai guys who can fight.
And also Escrima masters who had really killed people. eg Angel Cabales, Antonio Ilustrisimo, Leo Geron,
Floro Villabrille etc.
1NX9 4 months ago
@HistoryHmoobGuy
Pac is the fist and LAST.
Enjoy that ride dude...African Americans dominate boxing. But Brazilians seem to dominate MMA.
Mattixxg 4 months ago
@Mattixxg well while you u fuckin turds are fighting each other for our entertainment and jumpin around like chimps on a bball court n football we are writing yur checks and laughing!! whit men own your black ass always have always will now run nigger run!! dribble your stupid ball n punch each other in the face fo a small piece of the white mans money!!!
TheSands83 4 months ago
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@TheSands83
"whit men" LEARN TO SPELL LOL
DId you know CHINAS economy is BETTER than the USA, dumbass?
Look up Kuwaiti Dinar vs US dollar.
Youll find that our dollar isnt worth SHIT....of WHITE - Thats how you spell white you dumbass hillbilly lol...America.
Oh and the UFC is RAN by ITALIAN brothers you stupid fuck.
Please, keep posting so we can learn more about how embarrassing the trailer park is...
Mattixxg 4 months ago
@Mattixxg Thats not true though brah. Fuck all these racist fags. But what about Amir Khan, what about the Klischkos?
Races don't dominate anything. Hard work does.
orangeiceice12 4 months ago
@orangeiceice12
True, but I dont know where youve been, but the US economy IS in the toilet.
Look at how the US dollar stacks up against the Euro, or the Kuwaiti dollar.
You will be shocked.
And Amir and the HW brothers are dominating in boxing. But boxing is EXTREMELY limited by rules.
Mattixxg 4 months ago
@Mattixxg A) All currencies are traded in terms of american dollars.
B) The US economy is weak because of top-down intervention and social planning.
C) A weak dollar could actually be a good thing if we weren't retarded and used the asymmetry to correct our trade imbalance.
D) What the fuck does that have to do with black people dominating sports? Ashkenazi Jews dominate Nobel Prizes, but are you ready to say "Oh, its just because Jews are smarter than we are."
orangeiceice12 4 months ago
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@Mattixxg A) All currencies are traded in terms of american dollars.
B) The US economy is weak because of top-down intervention and social planning.
C) A weak dollar could actually be a good thing if we weren't retarded and used the asymmetry to correct our trade imbalance.
D) What the fuck does that have to do with black people dominating sports? Ashkenazi Jews dominate Nobel Prizes, but are you ready to say "Oh, its just because Jews are smarter than we are."
orangeiceice12 4 months ago
@HistoryHmoobGuy
And brazilians mastered it lol
Mattixxg 4 months ago
@Mattixxg NO,,,ITS STILL THE SAME...they didnt make anything new
HistoryHmoobGuy 4 months ago
@HistoryHmoobGuy
Whats still the same?
Mattixxg 4 months ago
Catch is mainly catch as catch can, thats where the subs from catch come from. I'm not gna believe everything they write in wiki seems like anyone can post on it. Billy Robinson himself said that Kimura learned the Kimura lock from Karl Gotch. Kimura was a pro wrestler as well as Judoka, Japanese pro wrestling is mainly worked shoot fighting and pretty much every Japanese pro wrestler has catch wrestling training.
Jimmynable 5 months ago
judo. 'nuff said
MrArmengg1 5 months ago
Kimura is a fucken beast!
Toopizzle 5 months ago
Maybe named after Masahiko Kimura?It's all an off shoot of judo.The arrogant brazilians didn't invent sh%t.Even after Hughes dominated another Gracie that ass h*le gave credit to BJJ, instead good ole American wrestling with a little judo.
flattop44sc 6 months ago
Ude garami (kimura lock) very effective on ground fighting (BJJ and ne waza). Not that effective in standing submission grappling (like traditional jujutsu/chin na).
RicardoKooh 6 months ago
@RicardoKooh What do you train in? I always smile when i find people like you on youtube, who proabably train in traditional japanese martial arts and are aware the jujutsu is after all, not in its original form what you see on the tube today.
dirosaga 5 months ago
@dirosaga I've trained in Tang Soo Do, Muay Thai, Hapkido and BJJ. Best regards.
RicardoKooh 5 months ago
@RicardoKooh
Not true. The kimura and the americana can both be used standing as well as in ground fighting. Don't talk about what you don't know.
albinocaveslug 5 months ago
Historic!
uppercut999 6 months ago
if it wasn't for the graices i doubt MMA would be as popular as it is today sorry but its true hate them or love them they did alooot for martial arts
ariess2019 7 months ago
But you must remember, because of Judo, "young" Gracie earned a thicker bush and longer if not a more fertile tool to allow him to enlarge his Gracie clan in Brazil!!
Don't be an ingrate to the art, Gracie. You are setting a bad example and karma to your clan!
UnitedPebbles 8 months ago
Eh, "young" Gracie have earned his standing. Regardless of his antic or behavior, he proved he is a formidable opponent, a direct challenge to the judo federation.
Is pride the only thing the federation interest in? or really just another revitalization of interest?
The man is a student of the art, go back into the country spin off some of it and claimed it as his own? I would understand if some Japanese would have been angry. (also because he isn't Japanese)
UnitedPebbles 8 months ago
sou um homem brasileiro... Jiu-jitsu brasileiro é um lixo, uma luta sem disciplina, ministrada por arrogantes que acham que podem tudo> como um lixo de pessoa pode ensinar algo de bom para qualquer dito atleta? Lixo pai, lixo filhos, vcs são a vergonha do esporte brasileiro. toda vez que vcs põe os pés no tatame seja ganhando e principalmente perdendo produzem espetáculos deploráveis de arrogância, falta de compostura, disciplina e caráter... SEM BREÇO... ETERNO IDIOTA
emersonbruxo 8 months ago
lets not forget kimura was like 220lbs. many years younger. helio gracie 140lbs. i love all martial arts, but the gracies transformed what everyone thought fighting was. gracie jiu jitsu has even made me more interested in judo. come on people give it up allready. two big things happend in martial arts so far, BRUCE LEE, and GRACIE JIU JITSU.
tylerdurdin 8 months ago
@tylerdurdin First thing, Masahiko Kimura was not many years younger than Helio Gracie. Kimura was only 4 years younger than Gracie. The fight took place in 1951. Gracie was born in 1913 and Kimura in 1917. That means that Gracie was 38 and Kimura 34 at the time of their match. Second, Kimura was never 220lbs. That's something the Gracie family, mainly Rorion has been telling people for years. Kimura at his biggest was only 5'6" and 187lbs. Yes, bigger than Gracie, but nowhere near 220lbs.
barrettokarate 7 months ago
@tylerdurdin instead of "many years younger" and 220lbs, wikipedia says Kimura was 4yr younger and only weighed 187lbs. Also, Helio admitted to being choked out earlier in the match and regaining consciousness quickly after the choke was released. By judo rules, Kimura would have won many times over for ippon throws and 25second hold downs. For Helio to challenge him under submission-only rules on a soft mat then let his arm be broken is against the spirit of his own rules, not heroic.
lapurdy71 7 months ago
I could see why, Helio even refused to fight Judo Gene LeBell. Despite that BJJ kicks ass. To make a claim that the Gracie's had an unbeatable system, was arrogant in their part. It can, and has been beaten.
bluehavencd 8 months ago
@bluehavencd , i agree with u dude. the gracies are very arrogant. In the first place, the word jiujitsu is Japanese, AND NOT BRAZILIAN! =)
wutingchou 8 months ago
@wutingchou don't get me wrong, they are formidabble, but I don't like arrogance. Bruce Lee is a perfect example, he talked the talk, and walked the walk, but was still a humble man.
bluehavencd 8 months ago
the big rival between two great families
bboyzshannon 8 months ago
That dude got destroyed.
matreyia 8 months ago
0:54 ..Helios facial reaction to Kimuras fart in his face?
henh32 10 months ago 7
@henh32 hahahahahaa;(( hahaha!
bogusiek 9 months ago
Its not what you do its how you do it
abeltrraz 10 months ago
Interesting fact: Helio Gracie suffered a broken arm at the hands of a Japanese man applying a kimura. Then his grandson Renzo suffered a broken arm at the hands of another Japanese man applying, guess what... a kimura o.O
iloveasiangirls 1 year ago 23
@iloveasiangirls actually i think its sakuraba..i could be wrong, but he pulled kimuras on like 3 of the gracies he fought and was known as the gracie killer for it..then one of the younger gracies just owned him...Ralek I believe
OffspringFTW65 10 months ago
@OffspringFTW65 well owned is a big word for a judges decision. Watch the match.
karatespidey 9 months ago
@karatespidey I may have been over exaggerating a bit...chill the fuck out
OffspringFTW65 9 months ago
@OffspringFTW65 He is known as the Gracie hunter, and He only pulled off a kimura on Renzo, Royce beat Sakuraba in the rematch but Royce tested positive for steroids and then he got owned from Ralek Gracie like you said .
parks2000 9 months ago
@iloveasiangirls Helio Gracie's arm was broken at the hands of a Japanese man named Masahiko Kimura who applied a "Gyaku ude-garami". The technique didn't come to be known as the "Kimura" until afterwards.
Also, Renzo Gracie isn't Helio's grandson. Renzo is the grandson of Carlos Gracie. Helio was Renzo's great-uncle. The rest is correct. He also had his arm broken by a Japanese guy, who applied a "Gyaku ude-garami" (aka Kimura lock) on him.
barrettokarate 7 months ago
@barrettokarate I have to apologize for my lack of knowledge, I'm relatively new to martial arts. I was unaware as to the actual lineage from Helio to Renzo. Thank you for clearing that up. Also, I didn't mean to imply that it was always called a "kimura". I simply was ignorant as to the Japanese name (My first language is English and I've never taken a Judo class) .
I just thought two Gracies getting their arms broken by two Japanese men applying the exact same hold was an interesting fact:)
iloveasiangirls 7 months ago
@barrettokarate You stole my story! But you told it better than I would have, so you get thumbs up ! :)
shmuckling 7 months ago
@barrettokarate Sakuraba had Royler's arm in a bad looking position with the Kimura/ Gyaku ude-garami/ double wrist lock, was he injured in anyway? Think he def would have been if the ref didn't stop it. Ofc i know Royler is his son not grandson just wondered if he got injured cos his arm was nearly touching his head.
Jimmynable 6 months ago
@iloveasiangirls Another interesting fact: The technique used to break Helio's arm is actually called an Ude Garami. Helio coined the term "Kimura" lock after being defeated by Masahiko Kimura. Which is of course, the Judoka that applied the technique.
EricRyanCronin 6 months ago
@EricRyanCronin well, the fact that they had no idea what it was called...just like kata gatami, they call it an arm triangle..or ezekiel choke is actualy katate jime.....yet they take credit for inventing these holds.
CyBeRTRoNFLuX 5 months ago
@CyBeRTRoNFLuX Oh, dude, I'm with you all the way. It's sickening. It seems like BJJ guys would love to erase Kano from history.
EricRyanCronin 5 months ago
@CyBeRTRoNFLuX Ezekiel choke is actually called Sode Guruma Jime in Judo. The Kimura lock was double wrist lock in catch yrs b 4 Judo or BJJ had been founded. A lot of techniques have prob been practiced for centuries. I love Judo and BJJ Kano invented a lot more than the Gracies IMO cos he refined techniques and created a sport format so they could be practiced against fully resisting opponents, The Gracies changed the rules a bit and come up with some set ups and called it their own.
Jimmynable 5 months ago
@Jimmynable 1. Wrestling, like boxing, are instinctive, and NOT martial arts. 2. They are both universal as bases. Blocking, ducking, punching, single and double legs, sprawling, slams, all universal and children can come up with them. 3. Judo is a gathering of ancient jujitsu with a focus on technique not requiring a strength advantage(anti-wrestling usually) brougth to high efficiency. 4. Catch wrestling is from the late 1800s, Judo is from the same time,but is from Jujitsu and is an extension
wiggalama 5 months ago
@wiggalama
No. Just no. Neither boxing nor wrestling are instinctive. Punching and crappling are. Boxing is not just swinging your arms around and wrestling is more just rolling around on the ground. They require training to use effectively, like any other martial art.
albinocaveslug 5 months ago
@albinocaveslug I throw a punch at you, whats your kid instincts? Dodge or block with your fore arms. You try to take down somebody, what do you do? You grab a leg or two. You try to avoid being taken down properly with no training, you sprawl. You might perfect these with sport practice and streetfighting, but they ARE instinctive. I know cause its what I used back in intermediate and middle school. You try to choke someone, the most instinctive is the gullotine. There are rip off moves added.
wiggalama 5 months ago
@wiggalama
Just because the 'kid instincts' resemble what you see in boxing or wrestling doesn't mean they're the same thing. First off, I can see how you'd thing the boxing cover would be instinctive. What isn't instinctive is to block and defend at the same time. Other parts of the overall boxing defense include parries, slipping and evasive footwork. On the offensive side of things, there's the body mechanics to punching and how to punch with your entire body rather than just your arms.
albinocaveslug 5 months ago
@wiggalama
That's just beginner stuff.
On the wrestling side, you grossly oversimplify the shot and the sprawl both. The shot is not simply a bum's rush to the midsection. The ability to drop one's center of gravity and move to engage that quickly is something that MUST be trained. Also, I'd bet dimes to dollars that your 'guillotine' wouldn't choke anyone. It's most likely a neck crank with a little air choke involved. That is NOT the same as a real guillotine. It seems you don't know that.
albinocaveslug 5 months ago
@albinocaveslug Its the basics of wrestling. Most everything a wrestler does is gross motor skill and natural logical deduction after some minor sparring experience. A neck crank is far better than an air choke, and I am a judoka for that matter, your catch and other bs is a rip off, and greco-roman is so instinctive its sad. Your just sad Westerners trying desperately to claim gross motor skill as an art.
wiggalama 5 months ago
@albinocaveslug Agreed. Boxing footwork is anything but instinctive, it's actually the complete opposite to walking and turning your weight into the punches isn't instinctive either and it takes proper skill to learn how to avoid punches. It could be seen as instinctive to grab someone's jacket or shirt if your were to fight them in a street fight at clinching range.
Jimmynable 5 months ago
@wiggalama I believe the Kimura would have been used in Catch before Judo (illegal Judo technique anyway) and as the Gracies had not seen it before, if it was in Judo surely Maeda would have taught them it? Traditional Jujutsu was the Samurai's unarmed combat techniques designed for the battle field, the Kimura lock wouldn't really have been that effective for the Samurai as there is nothing stopping ur opponent from stabbing u to death wiv his free hand while u have no hands free.
Jimmynable 5 months ago
@Jimmynable 1. The reverse ude-garami goes back to at least the 1000s c.e. (1000ad), though a crappier version existed in Pankration supposidely. 2. Catch is from the late 1800s and was folk wrestling, Judo was founded as Jiguro Kano Jujitsu in 1882, and everthing Catch claims is universal to grappling and existed long before Catch was coined as specific sport guildlines. 3. JUDO IS NOT A SPORT, IT IS FIRST AND FOREMOST AN ART OF WAR. 4. Armored combat required grappling when weapon broken fool.
wiggalama 5 months ago
@wiggalama Lets keep the discussion adult shall we. Whose weapon? What if yours is broken and opponents isn't? And it doesn't require a weapon to be broken u could just be too close to use it. Catch is derived from Lancashire catch as catch can which is older than Judo. Fair point about Pankration there's been discovered ancient Egyptian drawings of ppl fighting ground fighting many yrs b 4. The human body only moves in so many ways.
Jimmynable 5 months ago
@Jimmynable If your opponents weapon is not broken he will have the advantage. Jujitsu was to give you a slight chance of taking him to the ground and trying to disarm him and kill him, and the reverse ude-garami is "exactly" such a technique since you go for that arm. Catch wrestling derives from a number different styles, the English style of Lancashire Catch-as-Catch-Can Wrestling, Irish Collar-and-elbow, Greco Roman Wrestling, styles of the Indian Pehlwani and Iranian Varzesh-e Pahlavani.
wiggalama 5 months ago
@wiggalama U do understand why Kano created Judo? U understand his theory of taking no lethal Jujutsu techniques and refining them so they can be practiced in sparring safely? Judo is anything but an art of war as u put it. It means gentle way Kano set up sport grappling matches against Jujutsu practitioners to showcase the effectiveness of live sparring and the sport he invented. Last time I checked Judo was in the Olympics as a competition event, I think that would make it a sport.
Jimmynable 5 months ago
@Jimmynable Another faggot moralist *sighs* Kano codified it for the military and for street fighting in general, the sport aspect is a result of the sparring rules and nationalism. Look at Kyoto and what they use. He didn't abadon the best techniques, he made them more efficient, and if you think strangling or choking, breaking knees and eblows, throwing people on thier spine or head, or neck cranking isn't lethal, you got another thing coming. art of softness=jujitsu , way of softness=judo
wiggalama 5 months ago
@wiggalama Like I said lets keep the discussion adult I didn't insult u so be a man and not do it back to me not everyone is going to agree with u on everything. Jujutsu is out dated and Kano recognized that. Maybe Kano didn't mean for Judo to be a sport but I think he did, it just happens that sports can also be great self defense. A lot of the techniques u mentioned can be executed in self defense without being lethal. I'm not moralist I love a good street fight as long as it's fair.
Jimmynable 5 months ago
@Jimmynable Whats "adult" about viewing the martial arts as anything less than killing in warfare for the greater prosperity and happiness of your family? Its about efficiency, and mocking the GM with such views are pathetic. Jujitsu was outdated in terms of the moves and ideas that emphasized wearing armor, so he focused on quick grappling mixed with striking to a minor degree(see calf kick in o soto gari for example). If you can use a move in a more lethal way, you DO IT. FAIR is not in St.Ft.
wiggalama 5 months ago
@wiggalama By 'adult' I meant without stupid insults. By out dated I mean that a lot of the lethal techniques designed to be used on a battle field no longer apply when wars are fought with guns and bombs, etc. Why would u use a technique in a lethal way if there is no need to do it and land yourself in prison? Ofc there are fair street fights, no rules but if two like minded ppl wanna go at it sort their differences out like that then fine.
Jimmynable 5 months ago
@wiggalama How long have u been a Judoka? It's Osoto Gari and ur not really kicking their calf.
Jimmynable 5 months ago
@Jimmynable It can be pronouced either way grammar nazi and a calf kick is kicking WITH the calf, generally towards the side of the knee or thigh, jesus lol
wiggalama 5 months ago
@wiggalama I doubt u have ever done Judo. It's not a kick. Osoto Gari u break the balance and put the weight on the leg ur attacking then drive towards the shoulder and sweep the leg back, it's a reaping throw, it's not a strike. Tell me what belt are u?
Jimmynable 5 months ago
@Jimmynable It is still a kick, and you are forgetting 2 things. First, Judo is secretly grappling and striking combined in that most of the tachiwaza moves are a combination. Second, you are forgetting the upper body's involvement which is often as a stabilizer and a shifter to the opposite side of the leg you are using. You drive towards YOUR shoulder. You are hitting your opponent fairly hard with your calf, so its technically striking with your calf, thus technically striking with grappling.
wiggalama 5 months ago
@iloveasiangirls when Renzo fought Sakuraba?
LoneKGW 5 months ago
@LoneKGW Indeed. And I believe Sakuraba did the same thing to another Gracie, but I'm not sure.
iloveasiangirls 5 months ago
@iloveasiangirls OH HELL NO YOU JUST DIDN'T...that other Japanese man is Sakuraba!...how you think the Kimura came to be, it was named after Kimura who beat Gracie in the '50s
The Gracies stole the ju jitsu art and the Japanese want it back!
2jzgteSupraJZA80 4 months ago
@iloveasiangirls it may be some kind of curse :D
TurboRatownik 3 months ago
This is great. Gracie fought Kimura and gave him more experience to make BJJ better. It doesn't matter if he won or lost, what matters is the experience he gained from the match. Now if your a real martial artist, you should do the same.
MasterKanaar 1 year ago
@MasterKanaar I completely agree with your statement!
MrLOKILLO15 1 year ago
@MasterKanaar Excellent point, It's better to fight opponents that take you to and over your limit, only then can you really improve.
Hankthejollyspoon 1 year ago
@Hankthejollyspoon everyone speaks as if he lost, but the reality is that this experience is truely a win. He grew more as a person then Kimura did. He did this match when he was out of his prime and did it before Royce was even born. He was hungry for the challenge and that is how true champions are made. Look at Micky Ward, he had several losses but beat boxers that were undefeated. Don't look at a persons record, look who they fought. Thanks for your awesome comment.
MasterKanaar 1 year ago
@MasterKanaar No problem, did you know Kimura lost 4 times too? when he was 17 he lost 4 matches at near the same time, and thought about quitting, but his friends said to continue, and he practised OSotoGari on a tree hundreds of times, and he ended up giving so many people concussion with it that his opponents asked him not to use it. He also advanced to a high grade in Karate as well, and did wrestling as well.
As the Japanese say: 'No Kimura before Kimura, No Kimura after Kimura'.
Hankthejollyspoon 1 year ago
@Hankthejollyspoon that shows what happens when the drive of two champions come together.
MasterKanaar 1 year ago
@Hankthejollyspoon
How can you do O Soto Gari on a tree?
doomaflatchie 8 months ago
@doomaflatchie He practised the 'Gari' on saplings, until he got amazing Kime on the backwards snapping action., I got concussion off'f a perfectly timed osoto-gari, I can well believe that he was able to do it at-will.
Many, many Judoka, skilled and poor, still do a sort of half Gari half Gake on the reaps, as timing and accuracy is so needed to do them, it's far easier to use just a little push, a little lift, than practise again and again.
Hankthejollyspoon 8 months ago
Chin Na is a pretty good grappling art and also for ground fighting made by the Chinese before jiujitsu.
jesseboy34 1 year ago
when helio lost to kimura they say it was because kimura was bigger and stronger but when royce beat bigger guys they go around saying bjj can beat a man much larger than him
SupremeARA915 1 year ago
@doomheart2001 i agree with you
SupremeARA915 1 year ago
There is no reason to disrespect Helio, the Gracies, or even BJJ. The simple truth is Kimura beat Heloi at this battle. That's it. These two warriors will both go down in history as masterful legends. To say the Gracies have not done anything for the sport is absurd.
bobbyBMC 1 year ago
Eu sou brasileiro e todos sabem no Brasil que mestre Kimura venceu Mestre Gracie. Inclusive, o golpe que ele aplicou no Mestre Gracie ficou conhecido no meu país com Kimura em homenagem ao Mestre vencedor do combate. O que apenas um jornal da época falou não deve ser levado em conta, mas sim o que o próprio Mestre Gracie falou: "ele me venceu honestamente, aprendi com a derrota e por isso estou mais forte agora".
Oss!
soares156 1 year ago
@doomheart2001 ooo thx for catching my mistake, i wanted see Kimura vs Bruce Lee, not helio vs brucelee
ichooseyoufromon 1 year ago
Kimura broke a Gracie arm on that fight…Judo is more complete than BJJ if the Judoka is a serious practitioner (and if he knows Kosen Judo)!
shinkioku 1 year ago
In his own words , Helio said that he foght Kimura mainly to see what Kimura will use against him , because he knew that was a impossible win .
Many people said that Kimura was stronger and defeat Helio because of that . watch at 0:13 ... Helio is on his back , but Kimura just pass his guard like it was nothing . This have nothing to do with being strong . It is nice to read the words description of the fight .
Helio was good , but Kimura was impossible to beat at that time .
osmiu 1 year ago
Why they don't put this fight in the Gracie DVDs? Why??
smr144 1 year ago
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ichooseyoufromon 1 year ago
kimura was a judoka right?or did he do jujitsu?
guardiandemon666 1 year ago
@guardiandemon666 judoka; but the traditional one, not only the olimpyc sport throw... the whole combat system, self defense, martial art.
kokyjabn 1 year ago
@guardiandemon666
Yeah he was a Judoka, but Judo came from from Japanese Jiu-Jitsu, so you could argue that he was also a Jiu-Jitsu fighter, but Judoka is more accurate.
justin1138 1 year ago