I thought unions were illegal in Communist China. I'm happy to see this happening. The people of China should not have to be the slave labor of the world.
@MrsSarb I can see that. I was talking about what hypocrites they are. China should not be a big sweatshop for the world. It is an outrage. The Chinese people need democracy, and not the corporate owned type like ours in America!
@fishontuesday Like the democracy of Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Singapore, Argentina? I'm assuming you are refering to 'liberal' democracy? Class society, owners and workers....hasn't really been upto much has it. So if the Chinese people need something other than American what is it?
@ButherLi55ett No not at all. You can have democracy or you can have a few people with all the wealth. But you can't truly have both. Elections should be publicly funded! I feel like it is the workers themselves that should be in control of the means of production and it's distribution through democratically-controlled public agencies, cooperatives, and other collectives. The whole world needs to take back what is theirs though, not just China. And I'm not COMPLETELY against competition.
@fishontuesday How does publicly funded elections give any more democracy? You've already said 'a few people have all the wealth' - economic power, control etc. How do you reconcile that with 'workers'...should be in control...' It sounds like you want a half way house between communism and capitalism, you cannot have it. It's called 'state socialism' and we all know how that turns out. A section of the workers' movment argued for this in the 19th century and it was argued against then.
@ButherLi55ett Wow my last comment was vague. Sorry I wouldve cleared a bit more up but I couldn't cause of the max length B.S Look I don't think that politicians should be paid for by billionnares because then the politicians won't do anything that might harm them in some way (not physically, economically) Do you know what crony capitalism is?
@fishontuesday That's ok, I know having a conversation through You Tube is very difficult. I don't believe there is any other name for capitalism. It changes and goes through different periods but always returns to crisis, inherent in the system itself...you can't have a nice capitalism. I believe you are refering to a general tendency towards state capitalism which I probably agree with..I think if you took measures like what you imply the system would still have to go on like it is now anyway.
Sorry to be so harsh on that other comment- you do speak fairly well, I ironically spoke poorly! However it struck me as imitative speech - or intentional manipulation. That kind of fraudulent speech is offensive - no, we don't all know what happens to it - and it's misleading to say mixed market socialism has failed - what in fact is true is that some form of this has been the success story of Korea, Taiwan, China - even the US is that way - or was in the 1930-1960 period.
I don't think you speak well, I have done that too. "We all know how that turns out?"
State socialist/mixed capitalist thinking led to one of the most productive workforces in the world, with I say one of the happiest societies and cultures - France - French workers produce more output per hour than any worker in the world - except the Luxembourgois - as measured by the value of their output in the international market. 56 US dollars an hour.
@MrsSarb I agree 'official' Communism (Stalinism) and all brands of left capital (Trotsykism, Maoism etc) is about that....Marx's communism is something entirely different, try reading him.
@fishontuesday Communism is about the abolition of wage labour and commodity production comrade, the withering away of the state and an end to private property. China is no more communist than the USA, Sweden or Bangladesh.
@MrsSarb Independent ones perhaps are? No doubt wild cat strikes are...I think the 'unions' in China are policed by the government and bureaucracy similar to everywhere else in the world. Though in China they actually explicitly are part of the state...then again this really isn't too dis-similar to places in Europe even...just China is slightly more authoritarian and bureaucratic...however we are seeing a tendency for this globally perhaps. You can only fight against it to change it.
Good on them! Slavery should be a thing of the past!
DurexDurpaneu2 1 year ago
@DurexDurpaneu2
you right.. workers should rise up against the capital-class!
codeagent47 1 year ago
I thought unions were illegal in Communist China. I'm happy to see this happening. The people of China should not have to be the slave labor of the world.
MrsSarb 1 year ago 2
@MrsSarb Communism is all about worker power. And world wide revolution lol. Workers of the world unite and China is being fuckin retarded!
fishontuesday 1 year ago
@fishontuesday Communism is about government monopoly control. They don't give a shit about the people.
MrsSarb 1 year ago
@MrsSarb I can see that. I was talking about what hypocrites they are. China should not be a big sweatshop for the world. It is an outrage. The Chinese people need democracy, and not the corporate owned type like ours in America!
fishontuesday 1 year ago
@fishontuesday Yes I agree with you. :-) Sadly this whole world is owned and run by corporate interests.
MrsSarb 1 year ago
@fishontuesday Like the democracy of Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Singapore, Argentina? I'm assuming you are refering to 'liberal' democracy? Class society, owners and workers....hasn't really been upto much has it. So if the Chinese people need something other than American what is it?
ButherLi55ett 1 year ago
@ButherLi55ett No not at all. You can have democracy or you can have a few people with all the wealth. But you can't truly have both. Elections should be publicly funded! I feel like it is the workers themselves that should be in control of the means of production and it's distribution through democratically-controlled public agencies, cooperatives, and other collectives. The whole world needs to take back what is theirs though, not just China. And I'm not COMPLETELY against competition.
fishontuesday 1 year ago
@fishontuesday How does publicly funded elections give any more democracy? You've already said 'a few people have all the wealth' - economic power, control etc. How do you reconcile that with 'workers'...should be in control...' It sounds like you want a half way house between communism and capitalism, you cannot have it. It's called 'state socialism' and we all know how that turns out. A section of the workers' movment argued for this in the 19th century and it was argued against then.
ButherLi55ett 1 year ago
@ButherLi55ett Wow my last comment was vague. Sorry I wouldve cleared a bit more up but I couldn't cause of the max length B.S Look I don't think that politicians should be paid for by billionnares because then the politicians won't do anything that might harm them in some way (not physically, economically) Do you know what crony capitalism is?
fishontuesday 1 year ago
@fishontuesday That's ok, I know having a conversation through You Tube is very difficult. I don't believe there is any other name for capitalism. It changes and goes through different periods but always returns to crisis, inherent in the system itself...you can't have a nice capitalism. I believe you are refering to a general tendency towards state capitalism which I probably agree with..I think if you took measures like what you imply the system would still have to go on like it is now anyway.
ButherLi55ett 1 year ago
@ButherLi55ett
Sorry to be so harsh on that other comment- you do speak fairly well, I ironically spoke poorly! However it struck me as imitative speech - or intentional manipulation. That kind of fraudulent speech is offensive - no, we don't all know what happens to it - and it's misleading to say mixed market socialism has failed - what in fact is true is that some form of this has been the success story of Korea, Taiwan, China - even the US is that way - or was in the 1930-1960 period.
Nicksvoiceinthewild 1 year ago
@ButherLi55ett
I don't think you speak well, I have done that too. "We all know how that turns out?"
State socialist/mixed capitalist thinking led to one of the most productive workforces in the world, with I say one of the happiest societies and cultures - France - French workers produce more output per hour than any worker in the world - except the Luxembourgois - as measured by the value of their output in the international market. 56 US dollars an hour.
Nicksvoiceinthewild 1 year ago
@MrsSarb I agree 'official' Communism (Stalinism) and all brands of left capital (Trotsykism, Maoism etc) is about that....Marx's communism is something entirely different, try reading him.
ButherLi55ett 1 year ago
@ButherLi55ett Yeah but it has never been practiced. It's just theoretical, philosophical thought. I have read a little bit of it.
MrsSarb 1 year ago
@fishontuesday Communism is about the abolition of wage labour and commodity production comrade, the withering away of the state and an end to private property. China is no more communist than the USA, Sweden or Bangladesh.
ButherLi55ett 1 year ago
@MrsSarb Independent ones perhaps are? No doubt wild cat strikes are...I think the 'unions' in China are policed by the government and bureaucracy similar to everywhere else in the world. Though in China they actually explicitly are part of the state...then again this really isn't too dis-similar to places in Europe even...just China is slightly more authoritarian and bureaucratic...however we are seeing a tendency for this globally perhaps. You can only fight against it to change it.
ButherLi55ett 1 year ago
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I hope they listen and get a higher pay, the people are getting jack shit for money over there.
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