SNP & Alex Salmond parrot INDEPENDENCE. Queen to rule Scots.

[ClansmanKerr]

@ScotlandsMessenger

I understand your dislike of the SNP under Salmond, but surely an Independent Scotland under the current Monarch (who has little impact on political matters, despite being head of state.) is a huge step towards Scotland becoming a Republic? It took South Africa 30 years to become a Republic after gaining Independence from London. The mood has to be right for change and sadly, i'm not even sure the majority want Independence at the moment.

[ScotlandsMessenger]

@ClansmanKerr No you don't understand AT ALL my dislike of the SNP under Salmond, nor other political parties under their rotten leaders unless you have read and understood my Scottish National Standard Bearer website and my posts in the For Freedom Forums.

The officers of the state under the Queen with their truncheons, handcuffs, prison cells and the rest have A MASSIVE IMPACT on political matters - enslaving Scots under a royalist, fascist police state.

[ScotlandsMessenger]

@ClansmanKerr Fatally flawed so-called "republics" like the Roman republic and the early American republic both with slavery or the apartheid South African republic from 1961 were not respectable democratic republics which any freedom fighter would agree to.

The enslavement of Scots now by the current monarchy or after a "huge step" into the cesspit of an undemocratic republic should be resisted by all necessary means.

[ScotlandsMessenger]

@ClansmanKerr The mood of the public is mostly determined by the propaganda which they are brainwashed with by the broadcasting media.

However, the oppressor union crown state can be overthrown by military means by targeting royal family military commanders first then different broadcasting can change the mood of the public next.

First things first - a war of liberation against the monarchy.

[Earthlinggb]

@ClansmanKerr With respect Clansman, the Queen is nowhere near powerless. In fact, she rules. I am well aware most people will not accept that but that is because most people have not studied it. Our "Constitutional Monarchy" is a lie my friend. You can take that to the bank. SHE does!

[ClansmanKerr]

@ScotlandsMessenger

I was always of the opinion that the SNP's ultimate goal was a Scottish Republic. I thought that they did not openly state this, so as to appeal to a broader range of voters.

[ScotlandsMessenger]

@ClansmanKerr No the SNP under Salmond states his ultimate goal in this video (and in others I will send you) as a Scottish Kingdom ruled by Queen Elizabeth and the successors of the Windsor dynasty under the Union of the Crowns.

The SNP leaders openly state that they are not Scottish republicans. A few in the SNP are republicans thankfully and it would be very different if republicans were leading the SNP but they are not. Not yet anyway.

[ClansmanKerr]

@ScotlandsMessenger

Who would you suggest we vote for if we desire an Independant Scotland? If not the SNP.

[ScotlandsMessenger]

@ClansmanKerr I suggest it is very useful towards getting Scottish independence if you register with the For Freedom Forums which I administer - figh. tk That matters.

Any notion that voting in this rigged election can help bring about real Scottish independence is a LIE and I will have no part in lying to the Scots. Though obviously voting for unionist parties like the SNP (who support the Union of the Crowns), Lab, Lib Dem or Tory cannot help Scottish independence.

[ClansmanKerr]

I will be voting SNP in the General Election, but thats only because Scottish Idependence is my number 1 priority. Their open door policy on immigration disgusts me and i'm sure it will put many off voting for them.

[ScotlandsMessenger]

@ClansmanKerr The SNP don't support independence for us Scots, only for the Queen's ministers in Scotland, very different. The SNP DEPENDENCE on the Queen allowed the immigration of a convicted killer - Plytnykas who then murdered Jolanta Bledaite in Brechin in March 2008 under the nose of First Minister Salmond.

Nothing to do with the EU because Germany deported him to Lithuania - still the Queen's ministers allowed this killer into Scotland.

[petrifiedmetal]

Well its the first step, no small republican part will win support in this climate.. stop moaning

[ScotlandsMessenger]

@petrifiedmetal Yes it is a step - into the broom cupboard. We don't want to go there politically. We don't need a Queen's Scottish state any more than a Queen's UK state. Both are bad for Scots.

On the contrary with the internet, the climate has never been better for a republican surge of support.

[ScotlandsMessenger]

@petrifiedmetal Agreed moaning doesn't get an independent Scottish republic. But asking the Scottish military to enforce a ban of Queen Elizabeth and the Windsors royal family certainly IS a serious step forward. I am asking the military to do that here and now and in my website. So I am doing far more than moaning.

[stewartkee]

ScotlandsMessenger You Are Full of Shit. An Independant Scotland is within the U.K. what youl'd do is lead Scotland towards Europe. It's divide and Conquer. You'll have less power facing europe on your own

[ScotlandsMessenger]

Stewartkee - "An independent Scotland is within the U.K."? You, Sir, are the one who is full of shite!

Mind you, I think Salmond would not mind if your strange view prevails because as the Queens First Minister of Scotland, he has never had so much personal independence to dictate to the Scots while we are enslaved by the UK.

You sound like one of those UKIP Euro-obsessed-types.

No-one mentioned Europe until you came along so forget it if you hope to change the subject here.

[ScotlandsMessenger]

stewartkee - I will delete Euro-bashing comments here. Post your anti-Euro paranoia in the For Freedom Forums instead - see (more info) for the link.

If Europe had wanted to help us they could have issued an indictment before the International Criminal Court and put the Queen on trial in the Hague or something.

As it is, by keeping schtum about medieval monarchy in this day and age, Europe has left us to stand alone - so what is new?

[ardiar2011]

The Queen is irrelevant. If espousing monarchist views helps Salmond widen the SNP's part in the electorate, he's just being a good political leader.

And on a certain level, it does make perfect sense!  No one PLANNED for England and Scotland to have the same crown; Queen Elizabeth the First just never got laid, and so her nearest relative (a SCOT!) took the throne. It's like when Britain and Hanover in Germany had the same monarch from 1714 until Victoria. No big deal.

[ScotlandsMessenger]

ardiar2011 - When the state usurps the government of the people, the head of state is to blame and so the Queen IS relevant.

TV talent shows are popular with the electorate; Michelle McManus for First Minister of Scotland?

Salmond goes with the monarchist crowd. So what? Do you suppose when Salmond attends a Scotland football match, he is just being a good political leader?

Getting votes in an election gets Salmond into Parliament, it does not entitle him to govern as First Minister.

[13Barbie]

The SNP youth and trade union groups are openingly republican as are some SNP members. Salmond knows the only way to win Protestant votes for independence is to keep the Queen. (Not trying to be sectarian,but it is true). Who really cares who is head of state - most people who want a republic are Celtic fans who think they're Irish.

I think Scotland should prabably be a Republic but until then I'd rather be in independant Scotland with a Queen, than in Britain with one.

[ScotlandsMessenger]

13Barbie - The actions of the SNP MSPs - banning other MSPs from parliament, supporting the UK fascist police state oppressing people under FM Salmond - are violently anti-democratic and anti-independence. If one good Scot is banned, not free nor independent, then so is the nation.

The SNP youth and trade union groups cannot be good republicans associating themselves with these neo-Nazis.

If you don't care when the state and its head are abusing Scots then you too are a fascist.

[ELONut]

Your insults on Salmod are tiresome! I get the impression you want an independant Scotland too? but as a republic only? so who do you have in mind to lead that? Alex Salmonds rise to power has been remarkable against all the odds .For the first time in 300 years he will give Scots the chance to vote on self determination, but you would rather rubbish him and put Scotlands cause back another 300 years.

I too am no fan of the Royals But I would rather Scotland became Independent FIRST!

[ScotlandsMessenger]

ELONut - Scotland, the geology of glens and lochs, is firmly anchored to the tectonic plate - it cannot be independent.

That which could possibly be independent or not, is people - a head of state, ministers and officers of the state and/or all of the people, the whole nation.

I support independence of the Scottish people, the nation and only a Scottish republic & president could deliver this.

With Queen Elizabeth as head of state, only the state is independent, as the UK state is now.

[ScotlandsMessenger]

ELONut - Who could lead the Scots all the way to a Scottish Republic? Take a look at my Scottish National Standard Bearer website to see what leadership I offer.

I supported 'Republican Rose' Cunningham for SNP leader only (not leader of the Scots) but I can't support her while she is supporting Salmond's royalist government.

Not SSP or Solidarity while they remain pro-Castro Marxists.

Condoleezza Rice isn't in Scotland to lead us in person.

No-one comes to my mind except myself.

[ScotlandsMessenger]

ELONut - Salmond exercising UK power as the Queen's Scottish First Minister is the much the same unremarkable treason as the previous FMs.

It is always against the odds for any one person to become the UK Queen's First Minister the same as it is always against the odds for anyone to win the lottery but some chancer always does.

In the constituency vote, we had 4 bad royalist parties to choose from. One of them had to get in.

Even I voted SNP as the least bad choice, expecting nothing.

[ScotlandsMessenger]

ELONut - Neither Salmond nor the SNP have any plan for a fair vote on self-determination.

All the options on Salmond's rubbish referendum will amount to "Queen-Elizabeth-determination­". The only "self" who Salmond wants to determine things is himself.

The UK would rig a referendum debate, promoting royalists and sidelining republicans or promoting only stupid ones in order to mislead.

For the first time in 300 years, Scots have a chance to read my website and advance our cause.

[Scotia1424]

The SNP is a broad church for those supporting independence - people with different views on other issues support the parties main goal. After independence nationalists (royalists or republicans) can go their own way. The SNP are the only credible party who can deliver independence for Scotland. Demanding a Republic could well put off voters who otherwise are warming to independence. Do you really believe that there is a majority of people in Scotland who want an independent Republic?

[ScotlandsMessenger]

Scotia1424 - The SNP is not a broad church - I know I tried to attend the SNP conference in Aberdeen once but was excluded.

So then I tried to leaflet outside the door but the police were called and I was required to leave or else be arrested.

If I had resisted arrest, the police would have used whatever violence, up to and including my death, to get me away from the SNP conference.

The SNP would rather have me dead than free to speak to my fellow Scots.

SNP = Narrow satanic sect.

[ScotlandsMessenger]

Scotia1424 - I support independence - true national independence for the Scots - not the STATE independence and national enslavement of the Scots by the Queen's state which is SNP policy.

The SNP has long been seen as a party run by fascistic control freaks since Gordon Wilson infamously appeared to ban all groups within the SNP.

So the SNP don't even support independence for their own members never mind for all Scots.

Now Salmond wields the UK stick against Scots and loves it.

[ScotlandsMessenger]

Scotia1424 - The UK/Windsor royalists try to deny republicans even a SAY now. Their way is to oppress us.

If Holyrood takes over the military and other UK functions then the Queen's state under Salmond may be independent - but not us Scots.

We may be LESS independent than now because we may be tortured, imprisoned or murdered by the state.

If Scots are killed, how are we 'independent'?

State independence means Scottish royalists can use the military too against other Scots.

[ScotlandsMessenger]

Scotia1424 - The SNP may indeed have credibility but with whom?

* in the UK parliament & the BBC - conservatives who like the fact that Salmond is no threat to the UK really, just a name change in Scotland with UK royalists in the Queen's Privy Council running everything as per usual.

* with the Tartan Army once they have had a few.

* with union-flag & British-Scots burners.

I voted SNP because they were the least bad of the big 4 parties. Least bad is not the same as credible.

[ScotlandsMessenger]

Scotia1424 - Voters will be put off a republic so long as the BBC keep telling them to support the monarchy.

We need elements in the Scottish military to demand Scottish patriots and republicans the right to broadcast in Scotland.

The campaign strategy goes in the following order -

(1) Guns

(2) TV

(3) Votes

(4) Independence.

Unless republican guns replace the royalist guns which are today threatening broadcasters we won't get much further to real Scottish national independence.

[SNPCeltic]

Saor Alba

Saorsa A-Nis

Alba Gu Brath

Scottish independence now.

And the queens famioly is germanb so we are part of the german commonwealth lol

[1celtic1888]

I didnt know this before. its really disapointng.

[1celtic1888]

fuck sake. i dont want to keep the english queen

[bcnsco]

it wouldn't be for long. Independence first then the republic.

[1celtic1888]

yes I hope so but what if Alex Salmond really wants to "keep" the royal family. I dont know what he's thinking

[DeltaNC]

Alex Salmond has stated that should the people of Scotland wish to become a republic then they will have every right to do so.

These things need to be done one step at a time.

[ScotlandsMessenger]

DeltaNC - Except for the Queen, no-one in Scotland is doing more right now to deny us Scots our rights than Alex Salmond.

Do the right thing for yourself, your family and for your nation - and chances are you might be arrested today in Scotland - I certainly would be.

It is the UK royalist, fascist police state - prisons and courts - which is denying Scots our rights - to Salmond's orders as UK First Minister here.

You trust that fascist to defend our rights to a republic? Very unwise.

[ScotlandsMessenger]

DeltaNC - I have no problem with taking things one step at a time - so long as each step is in the right direction.

Any step whereby you trust a royalist politician like Alex Salmond - is like a step in the wrong direction or like a misstep going down stairs - you might fall and hurt yourself.

[DeltaNC]

I feel there is a huge flaw in your argument.

Firstly Alex Salmond wishes Scotland to be an Independent state, this is something you also want. In addition he has publicly stated that he would support a further referendum on Scotland becoming a republic should the people of Scotland want it.

He is not opposing your goal in any way, so why do you go out of your way to shun his moves towards Independence?

[ScotlandsMessenger]

DeltaNC - What is the difference between an independent STATE and an independent NATION?

An independent state can exterminate its nationals.

So Hitler's independent state could exterminate Germans.

Saddam's independent state could exterminate Iraqis.

Now an independent Scottish state could exterminate Scots.

An independent Scottish nation would be IN CHARGE of the state. The state would be accountable to the people, democratically, IF we elect a good president as head of state.

[ScotlandsMessenger]

DeltaNC - Now Salmond wants an independent state rather than an independent nation.

This will mean the rule of the Queen's state will be as bad or worse than UK rule in that anyone who really protests and exposes things very badly wrong with the government will be silenced, arrested, tortured or killed.

We won't get a proper open debate in Scotland on the question of a republic so long as the UK state or the Queen's independent state rules Scotland.

Hi-IQ republicans will be silenced.

[ScotlandsMessenger]

1celtic1888 - Of course the traitor Salmond wants to keep the royal family. That's what his words in this video mean.

I know exactly what Salmond is thinking - it is obvious.

He is thinking what the BBC tell him, the SNP and the rest of us that we must think.

Day after day the BBC spew pro-monarchy stories about the Queen and her family. They think for us, supposedly.

There is a tradition of SNP MPs going to Westminster and now MSPs to Holyrood, to serve the Queen and to betray us.

[ScotlandsMessenger]

bcnsco - Too long.

Consider Australia

* Constitutional independence for the Queen's Australian ministers from the United Kingdom ministers - 1931.

* The Queen's Governor General sacked the Australian PM Gough Whitlam 1975.

* Still today there is no Australian national independence from the Queen nor an Australian republic - they are still waiting.

Independence for the Queen's state you might see but trust royalists like Salmond and you'll never see Scottish national independence.

[ScotlandsMessenger]

Well neither does any wise English patriot want to keep that enemy Queen instead of electing a president as head of state for England.

The point about the Queen is that she anti-Scottish, anti-English, anti-Welsh and anti-British.

The only people the Queen is "for" is her own family and for those treacherous royalists who want to deny the people and the nations ever having a proper say over our own destiny and fortune.

So don't insult the English people by calling the Queen "English".

[ScotlandsMessenger]

BonnieBlueFlag1314 - That is what is called "An ad hominem argument".

Any SNP Salmond-lovers watching who have nothing more than ad hominem to contribute, please at least give BonnieBlueFlag1314's comment the thumbs up so that we can count the sheep.

[glasgow1234]

The Act of Union which Alex Salmond is against is a completely different matter from the "Union of the Crowns".

Queen Elizabeth would still be Queen and head of state in Scotland just like in countries such as Canada and Australia!

After all, it was Scotland's King James who inherited the English throne. And the Queen is half Scottish herself.

[ScotlandsMessenger]

glasgow1234 - Oh yes, Salmond and the SNP will deliver us independent crowns OK.

The Queen wearing the crown of Scotland will be COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT from the Queen wearing the crown of England & Wales or whatever.

Well that is a relief that we Scots will at last have a head of state with independence of action from the evil Queen who has been oppressing the Scots for so many years.

"Independence Your Majesty?" asks the Parrot.

"Don't mind if I do." says the Queen.

[ScotlandsMessenger]

glasgow1234 - Just like in Canada and Australia, the subjects (or slaves) of the crown in those countries will be dependent and mastered-over by royalist ministers and officers.

There will be no president of a republic to keep the state in check.

The state will independently be able to torture, imprison or kill any Scot it wants - and nobody, but nobody will stop the state.

Certainly not Salmond - his officers will eliminate or marginalize all the real opposition, UK style or worse.

[TheFatalInstinct1]

@glasgow1234 The people of Scotland, the Scots, are the sovereign of Scotland, as legally stated in the 1328 Declaration of Arbroath and later re-documented in the 1689 Scottish claim of Rights, that means they can kick the Queen out at any time if there was a need, just like James VII who wanted to reform with the Dutch, the Scots didn't want that, so he was kept out of Scotland while he agreed with it.

[ScotlandsMessenger]

@TheFatalInstinct1 The only way to make it the clear and unambiguous practice in Scotland that the people are indeed sovereign is for us Scots regularly to elect a Scottish president as head of Scottish republican state under the terms of a new republican constitution and dump the crown in the dustbin of history, so to speak though perhaps keeping hold of the actual head-piece for display in some museum.

Then all "Kings and Queen of Scotland" should be shot on sight by true Scottish patriots.

[ScotlandsMessenger]

@TheFatalInstinct1 However, please debate this further in the For Freedom Forums for robust political debate at FIGH.TK

[rossispossiofone]

This is perhapse the most commonly stupid thing politicians tend to say. They seem to believe there is no inherent contradiction in promoting democracy and liberty on the one hand and supporting monarchy on the other.