All who want to know about God I can give you answers, I am willing to talk to anyone about Him because He has done so much for me. I was raised without God in my life and I didn't start belining in Him until 21. I have both views. By the way my life before 21 was hell and it sucked.
Just being an atheist doesn't make you skeptical; some people just have no religious upbringing, and may identify as atheist, maybe just because their parents did. Even so, they may have weak critical thinking skills, or never actually thought about it at all. Maybe they have a conversion experience. I can't explain why people become religious because I never had that, but I do have "deconversion" experience so I can talk a little more confidently about that.
Our morality comes from a combination of our born temperament and our upbringing. Egomaniacs are born and a psychopath raised with religion is still going to be a psychopath. Those born with a logical brain will soon discover that helping others makes you feel good and selfishness leads to misery. Self-esteem is built through output not gain. It doesn't take belief in Gods to figure that out. Life is an incredible thing, it doesn't need a reason for living it, other than we already are.
Christianity expects you to believe that you can send telepathic messages to a dead Jew who is his own father and praise him for allowing the removal of the curse he bestowed and we all incurred when the ancient woman made from a rib ate the magic fruit after the talking snake told her to! If an atheist started to believe this I would seriously doubt their mental health.
To continue, both sides are equally irreconcilable. Faith in God, and all that it brings is far more satisfying (so say most surveys on faith) than is aetheism. Aetheism is usually based on youthful rebellion against one's background (since most of us come from faith based backgrounds at some point in our heritage).
People who usually convert to faith from aetheism usually do so as they mature, grow up or become comfortable with who they are and where they come from.
Aetheism doesn't have the answers to all the so called physical science questions.
On the social front, aetheism doesn't inspire one to be a better human being, aetheism doesn't motivate you to live at all let alone better or a more fulfilling life.
You have one oneside believers, then you have aethesists. Both believe firmly in the existence and nonexistence of God. Since God an matters pertaining to Him are faith based and not evidence based then neither side could win an argument.
If you don't have all of the answers then your belief system is inconclusive and very very faliable. I dunno what you do as a profession but I doubt that you'd be able to lead people on "I don't know." When you say "I don't know" you loose credibility and hence the argument.
So if you're saying "I don't know" please refrain from arguing or making points because you're not very credible.
"I'm motivated to live because I'm not yet ready to die." I haven;t yet beaten you to that point.
What are you talking about? Nobody has all the answers. It's perfectly fine to not know something. Just because YOU have an issue with saying "I don't know" doesn't mean I do. It doesn't make me less credible. It makes me honest.
"It doesn't make me less credible. It makes me honest. "
Honestly not able to attack other beleif systems in that you have nothing better yourself. You're simply saying "I don't know." At least I have an answer and can answer in the affirmative.
Nobody wants a belief system that says "I don't know." "I don't know" makes no sense. People with faith believes that God has all of the answers and believe that God makes more sense than faliable man.
Some people are fine with "I don't know:, believe it or not. Even my annotation in the video says my viewpoints have evolved since this video was made so I'm not sure why you're trying to put words in my mouth.
That's fine if you're fine with "I don't know". My point is that folks who believe ibn "I don't know" don't have much standing when criticizing people who believe in something, even if that something is intangible and impossible to discern.
Well, some people are more easily convinced or blinded ... so they tend to change side more than once ....
for others, it is the absence of proof for all of their existence that makes them atheist, for atheist who convert, it is because they need an explanation for the world or believe they had an actual proof of god.
I was born an atheist then converted to Christianity when I was 5. I went to a Christian school and thought it was normal. I'm still a Christian and cant wait for the end days, end of the world etc. All you atheist babies are going to hell.
I find it amusing that you get your kicks from being a condescending, judgemental hypocrite even though your bible says to not judge.
I'll go to hell when you can prove to me the Easter bunny and toothfairy exists. Hell sounds better to me anyway than worshipping your egotistical god anyway.
Jesus is dead, if he ever existed at all. The Muslim countries pray 5 times a day, America is the home of Pole Dancing and Breast Implants. If there is a devil, then America is where he resides. Your god is a joke!! Jewish zombie? What a stupid idea for a religion. As a Pastafarian at least my god has balls. Yaweh was such a creep and his "son" was a long haired whimp in a dress who hung around with 12 guys and a hooker. RAMEN
different people do things for different reasons, my best guess is that many of them have an experience that to them is too strong to rule out as emotion. or maybe their atheism was never based on critical thinking and open-mindedness at all, maybe it was based on something like pride(ain't no god gonna tell me what to do!) or perhaps they we just ignorant of the issue and allways just assumed that there was no god. Both would be easy to convert.
Those who convert from atheism to christianity or other religion don't get enough education. I mean.. How can u be an atheist without knowing even a slightest bit about science? OR they're just fucking stupid.
You don't have to know anything about science to be an Atheist...just like you don't have to go to church to be a Christian. With Atheism simply being a lack of belief, that statement has no attachment to science at all.
If u're not taught about anything else than religion, u will most likely believe in the god of that religion. If u're told about both science and religion, u're less likely to believe in that god. Makes sence? Yes? No?
I understand what you're saying, but I think it's still a good possibility that someone will take science AND that religion and put them together. Contradictory to a lot of people, sure, but with books and the like out today that tell Christians how to accept science and evolution, just learning about science isn't really enough by itself...in MY opinion.
Watch the 5thWatcher's new video below. He combines them together.
Sigh.. The same guy that tried to explain god with logic ended up saying that something that doesn't exists has to be proven to be non-existant. or sumthin. Just saying that every natural thing is made by god isn't enough. U need evidence! Actually, all lightning strikes are made by me. I'm not a god, but I'm still making them. U can't disprove it, so I must be therefore right.
Oh, I understand where you're coming from. I was just giving you an example from what I consider to be one of the better Christians around here. I'm sure you'd prefer me to link you to a 5thWatcher video over a Yokeup video.
If u really thought that there were no exeptions like these, then u're the one 'plain stupid'. I BET there are more people becoming atheists, than atheists becoming christians. As I said in one of my comments: ' they're just fucking stupid.'
"Climbing the stairs to become a Christian"? "Falling down to become an atheist"? It's the other way around.
Most of the "I was an atheist" claimants I have talked to are fake. These people have no idea what atheism is, and cannot in any way describe the most basic feelings or thoughts an atheist has on religion (unlike ex-theists, who can describe religious belief in detail). They have all been from mildly religious or deistic, not atheist, homes.
One can be militantly anti-theist like me, another could simple be a believer there is no god, and yet another may be someone who does not believe in god but has never really thought about god. It is that last type of atheists that may convert. Additionally, some atheist may convert because religions often offer companionship they may be lacking in their own life. At first, I thought you were asking why atheists convert god-believers: to that I would say, 'cause (belief in) god is killing us!
I like your videos. I'm still afraid of death to some degree. I've heard people say that aren't afraid to die. Perhaps it's because I tend to have an underlying fear that I can't quite shake. *shrugs*
once a person grows up and learns reality they accept the truth.
that is why some atheists convert. they see and acknowledge the design and complexity of creation and know the evolution is BS , and that a guiding intellect the creator exists.
I have to disagree. I think denying evolution is bs. It's very obvious evolution is part of everything. Life, technology, etc. To say it isn't is just lying to ones self. Just look at your baby pictures and the way you look now. Evolution. The evolution argument actually has nothing to do with the god argument.
I think Atheists have more of a "truth" than religious people do.
what people think of evolution depends on if you need evidence for what you think is true or not. Currently evolution has got all the evidence and religion only has absence of evidence to prove their god is true, which really doesent fly with rational people.
( one animal evolving into another ) there is evidence of adaptation to environs , which ids not evolution because it does not lead to evolving into other species .
there is enough legal evidence , in the form of eye witness testimony ( the manuscripts the bible was translated from ) to legally declare Christianity a fact.
I suppose the impulse to search for evidence is a prerequisite to gain a proper understanding of evolution. There are plenty of transitional fossils that evidence evolution.
Legal evidence for Christianity? lol, Christians have tried it multiple times in the courts and have failed repeatedly.
eye witnesses? the bible was written 60 to a 100 years after christ, way beyond the average lifespan of the age.
proudamericanguy, That was an incredibly ignorant statement to make. Evolution is the process of change...so are you telling me that you are still the exact same size, height, etc. as when you were in your mother's womb...or even before you became a fetus? Of course not. Stop pulling definitions out of your ass.
Growing up os not evolution assface. But the simplest proof for evolution is the different breeds of dogs that exist. Through very selective breeding programs and linebreeding, genes mutate and we also know that species adapt in very extreme circumstances or die out. That is why genes mutate when the genepool is diminished. That is also why breeders use the linebreeding technique. Dogs and wolves diverged a mere 100,000 years ago and the differences are immense.
I know that, but looking at what selective breeding has produced is proof that evolution does work in theory. The only reason why wolves, jackals, dogs and coyotes are considered the same species is because they have the same number of chromosomes, but other than that they might as well have diverged. And perhaps given another 100,000 years they would have.
I believe in both evolution and God. They don't have to be conflicting theories. This ID thing is threat to the advancement of science and atheism is a sign of the times where anyhting goes and moral fiber is deteriorating. Not believing is one thing, but to be adamant and try to lead others away from religion and rediculing the ones that hold on to religion is immoral. Then again what do atheists know about morals.
See this is why I am now an anti-theist and not simply an atheist. I am disgusted hearing many god-believers say stuff like this. Can you figure out what it is that YOU said in this comment that is untrue and in need of correcting?
Take a moment to think about it before reading on...
That's right; you suggest that atheists are not good people with morals or ethics simply because they do not believe in a god, and are THE cause of alleged moral decay of society. I know about morals; do you?
If u believe in evolution AND the christian God.. then u're screwed. U can't just pick one of the parts u believe, and then decide not to believe in others. I mean if the bible is wrong about the creation of the world then it's fucked! And don't give me that shit "It's symbolic" and shit.. Cause it only became symbolic the day it was proven that it was bullcrap.
I know of one that recently converted on youtube that now makes videos under "bornagaininhim". When I made this video, I didn't have a list of people in mind...just the fact that it does happen to people. I was trying to get better perspective on it and video responses helped. I just put up a new video today that's a question video like this, although different.
two things are infinite;God and human stupidity.we are here to eventually realize this,how ever long it takes.the hardest things to understand are those which are so simple, and yet beyond our comprehension at the same time.humility and prayer is our best friend.
People are born atheists. Belief has to be pounded in to them with years of indoctrination. You dont discover it spontaniously growing up like you do with sex. Once you realize religions are immoral and caused millions and millions of deaths, you are out.
Let me ask you why it is that Atheist dominate the intellectual fields? What does that say about religion? Why are religion more common in the south and rural areas..where as Atheism is common in culturally rich and highly educated areas of our country? There's a link between a high level of education and atheism... the iconic "tree of knowledge" is preached as a forbidden fruit? Does that not make you wonder?
If I'm talking about presidents and I say "Clinton", you know that I'm talking about "Bill Clinton", right? So if someone says "Tree of Knowledge", you know what they mean, right? There are plenty of religious people I know that call is the shorter version as well.
What you say about Bill Clinton is true - but there's a difference between 'knowledge' and 'knowledge of good and evil.' And you were talking about it in the context that the tree was providing knowledge itself, and that Xians think knowledge is bad. That's incorrect. Peace - Xy
Why? because smart people can become dumb if they stop questioning. The healthy can become sick.. our minds can deteriorate... alzheimer's is an example. There can be plenty of reasons...but none being that they have found rational reasons to believe. I think we haven't yet encounter a logical reasoning presented by Theist. They can come close to presenting something that sounds good.. but intelligent people can pick it apart completely.
The most common reason, is people turn to religion in a time of need. The church often provides care for those in need.
The other, very common one, is when people realise thier own mortality. Either they are diagnosed with a terminal illness, or someone close to them dies. Religion is a much nicer way of viewing death than atheism.
Or, they just like the comfort of thinking god is watching over them. But really, the reasons are as individual as the people.
Why? Why would a beaver contained within an experimental empty room carry out the actions of building it's damn, immitating the collection of foliage and sticks, creating a damn that only exists in it's head.
I think it's a mistake to consider we have not evolved with a sense of religion like a beaver has it's sense to build.
I was an atheist. But I've always been open to new ideas, and I've always sought the truth about life through philosophy, myth, etc. I'd say I converted because Christianity answers all my questions. I also can't ignore the subjective experience of being born again, which I can sum up in two words: totally astounding. Peace, buddy. - Xy
I left Christianity for that same reason, more or less. I found that it answered fewer of my questions that I thought (or that it answered them in a fantasy sense instead of a realistic sense). To me, being "born again" is simply a mental high (like a drug). The world makes more sense to me now than it did as a Christian. But, as you say, peace. :)
I'd describe it as a spiritual high, but if you're a materialist, you can call it a mental high. A chief question, though, is where that high comes from, and why it can be sustained through worship and service to the Lord, and why does it motivate some to completely alter their way of life. It's also specific to Christianity.
What are the questions that Christianity didn't answer?
The "high" you speak of is chemicals in the brain reacting to something that it is supposed to portray as powerful (especially in groupthink). I get a "spiritual" high from music, but I know it's just the way it stimulates my mind. I have to disagree about it being specific to Christianity. Drugs give people a high also and get people to completely alter their way of life too.
It's not really that Christianity doesn't answer questions. I just think it gives poorly thought out excuses. I think the concept of hell is hateful and cruel, especially if it's the product of a "loving" God. The Bible reads like a teenager that makes a lot of mistakes while playing the Sims. It goes on and on...
I've put a lot of chemicals into my bloodstream over the years. Nothing like Christianity, though. Regardless, your answer is a mystical one to me - mere hand-waving. Say they are just 'chemical reactions,' how is it I used not to have this chemical reaction, and then after my conversion, I have it all the time?
The mind believes what it wants to believe. The lack of evidence has steered me away from religion. Faith is a wonderful feeling, but I later realized it was a false feeling (faith = the belief that the god of the bible is good, regardless of murdering innocent people). People are different also. For some people, religion may be the answer they think they need. For others, no. I don't really have a problem with Deism though.
Haha... an atheist who converted? would that not be every Christian? We're all born as atheists...duh. Pure, until religion is injected into our minds..and trying to make us believe that knowledge and logic comes second to faith. Faith is irrational however you try to preach it. Faith should be the last resort that we rely on for our understanding of our world, yet Theist disregard everything else and blindly believe.
yea, you do. you disregard the scientific community's understanding that the world is more than 6000 years old...you reject evolution, even when it has more evidence than anything in your faith. There are mounds of other things, but that should be enough to demonstrate my point.
"yea, you do. you disregard the scientific community's understanding that the world is more than 6000 years old...you reject evolution, even when it has more evidence than anything in your faith. There are mounds of other things, but that should be enough to demonstrate my point."
There's not much room to rebut here. That's what email's for. But there's a lot more evidence that Xian faith is true and valid than there is for evo.
Yeah, I gave one: I said he's wrong. There, that only takes +/- 100 characters. :D
Seriously though, if you would like one, shoot me an email with whatever comments and questions and I'll get them all answered. Otherwise, please insert 'the last word / laugh' below. Peace - Xy
Some of the factors that may lead a person to convert are: serious brain injury, need to have a social life for business networking, realizing that one can reap financial benefit by exploiting the uneducated masses, and a total lack of self-esteem. The list is endless.
That's cool, but assuming you like to think...what's the purpose of a God if there is no heaven or hell? Even if there is no hell, but there is a heaven, what's the point in believing in it?
i completely understand what u mean, yeah whats the point? there is no point in the way that theres no afterlife, and no amswers to prayers, but its true to me, i deffinitely believe in God, but how does that affects my lifestyle well it isnt any different from an atheist. thats the best way i could explain it.
im a dutch medicine student and i was raised as an atheist(though my parents both doctors taught me to respect the beliefs of others), and about 2 years ago after studying, reading, and all of that shit i said "yeah i deffinitely believe in God", it was simple, but i had to read a lot of books, and i had to think a lot.(this is a pathetic and short description of what happened but yeah)
Ahh sorry that was not the topic of the video but anyways.I don't what a definition of an atheist is.I myself am only looking for facts to discover the truth. I try to have an open mind to things, but I will not allow myself to believe blindly in something just because others do. Because I've allready been there and done that.Peace.
I understand. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in any God or anything supernatural. God, Satan, Zues...anything. You die, you rot in the ground, the end. I'm not sure where I stand, other than I no longer claim any religion.
Religions demand one thing, and one thing only. Total obedience to some kind of authority, be it god(s), priest(s) or some other stuff without anykind of doubt.Because if you begin to doubt and question, if you start to think, you become a dangerous person, a non believer and a "satans puppet".
Not really. Any dogma demands the absence of doubt, be it dogmatic religion or atheism. Christianity has room for doubt, but God also answers questions.
But Atheism isn't a religion. It's the absence OF religion. It has no dogma. God always has an answer, according to Christians...even if it's "God works in mysterious ways". That's a cop-out and no longer good enough for me anymore.
Yeah - but I was referring to the misconceptions about obedience and the supposed danger of thinking to the poster who can't equate intellectualism with faith. Not all religions or beliefs are dogmatic.
I've never settled on the good-ol "God works in mysterious ways" answer, either.
I would say that some atheists are looking for any reason to believe in God, even if the 'evidence' doesn't stand up to scrutiny, because it can be daunting breaking free from religion when your family's religious and so are your friends. Most atheists simply follow the evidence and scrutinise what they are told is true and therefore remain atheists.
The average DNA molecule is about 1000 units long of all right handed sugars. As both right and left handed sugars are equally created naturally, the odds of that happening is 1 in 10 to the 300th power. To put that into perspective there are about 10 to the 80th power atoms in the universe. So you would need a trillion trillion universes worth of atoms all trying to form the DNA once every second for a trillion trillion ... (8 more triilion) years. And that just the sugars.
Youre looking at the final product. Today's DNA has evolved from something much simpler. When you factor in natural selection your numbers are meaningless.
There is no natural selection with chemicals. Scientific LAWS disprove abiogenesis. Many of the chemicals needed also cross react thereby making time work against "chance" life. That with Law of Hydrostasis and the Law of increasing entropy and abiogenesis is laughably impossible.
I dont see how the 2nd law of thermodynamics (entropy) has any bearing on abiogenesis - we are not in a closed system. The law of hydrostasis I havent even heard of and cannot find with a quick search. All sorts of chemicals reach with each other in different ways - this just means they would have to be combined in a certain order.
Google: law of hydrolysis. As to entropy, all things break down and the more complex tend to break down quicker. This would also make time work against Abiogenesis.
Calculating the opdds after the fact doesn't make sense. And no I don't agree that converting to Christianity is a logical step from atheism. If abiogenesis is impossible it owuld lead a person to at most be a deist. It does nothing to convince a non believer of any specific religion.
The reason why I said Christianity was a logical choice was the other theist ideas ether say you can do this many times and no problem or they don't have any way to be saved. Just by elimination it would be more logical.
When something is statistically impossible, it is normally discarded as a valid theory. If you're not into math hows this: we have never been able to synthesize all 20 amino acids for DNA. Or hows this, the Law of Hydrolysis would prevent a DNA molecule to form in water in the first place.
I believe the topic was why atheist converts. My first statement was because an atheist stand is from flawed understanding and a thinking person would convert. My extrapolation was for that same thinking person who would see which possible theist truth would gain him the most and harm him the least, hence a Christian stand.
Getting into catch phrases and sound bites will diminish ones critical thinking process. Never the less: Because if Buddhism was the truth and you and I did not become Buddhist, it would do us no harm whatsoever. We just keep reincarnating till we get it right.
I'm not sure whether buddhists beleive in reincarnation, but that aside.. Whether or not disbelief would hurt you has nothing to do with whether a possible belief is true or not.
Well if a "natural" creation of life is impossible, then your stand as an atheist is completly false. As to a theist stand, I mearly state that Christianity is a more logical choice.
Nonsense. I'm sorry but abiogenesis being true or not has no bearing on Jesus. There is no correlation. Therefore, an atheist wishing to convert would look at deism, not Christianity.
This same thinking person would realize that the only God that had meaning or an impact on their lives was the Christian one as the others have no specific instructions on what to do.
So you believe in UFO's then? Pretty retarded aliens, seeding the universe with creatures that could wipe them out someday. Why didn't they just colonize earth with themselves?
True, its just the most logical to believe is all. I never have said its a sure thing, just most likely. That's where faith comes in, like I said before faith is highly prized in heaven and if I'm right I plan to ask why.
It's only the most logical to you. I find it much more logical that a deist God created life on earth, and the entire universe, and left it to itself.
If it were so I wouldn't bother even typing a reply. But our fates would be the same for ONLY a non-Christian God. That's why trying to believe in a Christian God is more logical. I want to see that die hard movie, so I'll talk to you later my friend. :)
Yes I was, it is merely a complete logical progression I was going through. Being logical is not like being dogmatic. I envy people with lots of faith both theists and atheist. My conclusions are not at all about faith although the Bible infers that it is highly prized in heaven. Accepting Jesus into your life is no cost at all, and easy.
"The other end of that would be if Christianity was the truth then only accepting Jesus in to you life would help you, every other way would hurt you."
So what youre saying is that we should accept the religion which most threatens us if we dont believe it - thats crazy. How is that a determinant of truth?
Thats not logic - thats hedging your bets. What are you more concerned about - ensuring you stand the best possible chance of avoiding punishment? or trying to determine what is truth?
atheism is a position of skepticism. atheists require a measure of proof or evidence that needs to be present to be convinced that a religion is valid and that god exists. the evidence can be as weak as a desire or a need to believe in something to feel fullfilment or can be as complex as tangible, objective, irrefutable proof. to each his/her own.
That's cool. I was hoping you would, but I feel like asking is kinda pushy. If someone makes a video response to me, I want it to be because they wanted to. Thanks for watching.
not really...you have to consider, I have over 700 subscribers now and get about 20-30 comments and 5-10 PM's PER DAY. If you don't send me notice of stuff like this, I won't ever see it. I don't mind.
Yeah, I am getting a somewhat constant flow of comments myself, although not that many (maybe it just feels like a lot to me...lol). I don't have nearly that many subscribers (under 25). I know you're not just gonna see it, so that's why I send it to you in e-mail. I'm glad you're one of the few people who will actually get back to me on stuff though. Thanks.
There are many "lets just pretend" christians out there and this is NOT a bad thing in my understanding. Those obstinate "never back down" atheists like myself can estrange our friends and relatives and make our social lives miserable. Sometimes it is better for everybody to kick back and babble their bull shit with them and make everybody happy
Yeah, well I'm not one to succumb to going with the crowd. I'm an Agnostic believer myself and my views are best described as bi-polar. I still believe, but my beliefs are not really definitive. I don't rely on the Bible anymore. I guess I'm a desensitized version of what I used to be. I'm still in the research phase, although I quit going to church about 6 years ago.
Through the business he learned to pretend that he had the same philosophy and religiousity of his customers...this is necessary in this kind of business if you are to be sucessful.
Well there is NO atheist god that will punish you for eternity for your blasphemy of not believing in atheism. MY 90 year old father is an atheist but goes to a Catholic church he adores religously and he pretends to be a Catholic. He was a sucessfull restauranteer during his younger years and had a popular catering business.
The only logical reason that I can come to is the atheist has a momentary lapse of reason. Evangelicals always go by the mantra "if you don't disbelieve it, you will feel that it's true", though it's not actually worded that way. If you choose to read the Qu'ran without disbelief, you will feel that it's true; the same is true of the works of H.P. Lovecraft.
Each case is unique. But all the conversion reasons I heard (Not just atheist->theist but skeptic->esoteric-para believer and all sorts) are anything but convincing about that their atheism/skepticism/etc. was based upon rational-critical thinking. The fell for the cheapest tricks usually.
Adult conversions from Atheism to belief is fairly rare. Xianity is an incredibly weak story to sell someone as an adult, so it generally only happens because the Atheist is not well grounded in his/her atheism in the first place.
I think the biggest reason is a near-death experience. Or, going hand-in-hand with that, getting old. Everyone fears death, and when you start dwelling on it more you can lose it and start believing in fairy tales.
Surely you should address the question to ex-Atheists, not Atheists! :-) But, you are wrong to say that all atheists are thoroughly sceptical and analytical. Many are not - they simply don't believe; and get on with their lives without too much thought at all.
All who want to know about God I can give you answers, I am willing to talk to anyone about Him because He has done so much for me. I was raised without God in my life and I didn't start belining in Him until 21. I have both views. By the way my life before 21 was hell and it sucked.
TheBlackdragon936 2 years ago
Just being an atheist doesn't make you skeptical; some people just have no religious upbringing, and may identify as atheist, maybe just because their parents did. Even so, they may have weak critical thinking skills, or never actually thought about it at all. Maybe they have a conversion experience. I can't explain why people become religious because I never had that, but I do have "deconversion" experience so I can talk a little more confidently about that.
AbbeyNormal 2 years ago
Our morality comes from a combination of our born temperament and our upbringing. Egomaniacs are born and a psychopath raised with religion is still going to be a psychopath. Those born with a logical brain will soon discover that helping others makes you feel good and selfishness leads to misery. Self-esteem is built through output not gain. It doesn't take belief in Gods to figure that out. Life is an incredible thing, it doesn't need a reason for living it, other than we already are.
ilreput 2 years ago
Christianity expects you to believe that you can send telepathic messages to a dead Jew who is his own father and praise him for allowing the removal of the curse he bestowed and we all incurred when the ancient woman made from a rib ate the magic fruit after the talking snake told her to! If an atheist started to believe this I would seriously doubt their mental health.
ilreput 3 years ago
Great answer. :)
clicb4 3 years ago
You're talking nonsense and don't understand the faith or even the concept of faith. I suggest you do some study and reserach before you continue.
You're confusing metaphore with teachin and prophesy which makes having this conversatio n with you pointless.
qlaw04 3 years ago
To continue, both sides are equally irreconcilable. Faith in God, and all that it brings is far more satisfying (so say most surveys on faith) than is aetheism. Aetheism is usually based on youthful rebellion against one's background (since most of us come from faith based backgrounds at some point in our heritage).
People who usually convert to faith from aetheism usually do so as they mature, grow up or become comfortable with who they are and where they come from.
qlaw04 3 years ago
Aetheism doesn't have the answers to all the so called physical science questions.
On the social front, aetheism doesn't inspire one to be a better human being, aetheism doesn't motivate you to live at all let alone better or a more fulfilling life.
You have one oneside believers, then you have aethesists. Both believe firmly in the existence and nonexistence of God. Since God an matters pertaining to Him are faith based and not evidence based then neither side could win an argument.
qlaw04 3 years ago
Atheism doesn't NEED ALL the answers, and it's willing to accept it doesn't have it.
I don't need anything to inspire me to be good or a better human being. God or no god.
I'm motivated to live because I'm not yet ready to die.
Atheists have the upper hand in an argument.
clicb4 3 years ago
If you don't have all of the answers then your belief system is inconclusive and very very faliable. I dunno what you do as a profession but I doubt that you'd be able to lead people on "I don't know." When you say "I don't know" you loose credibility and hence the argument.
So if you're saying "I don't know" please refrain from arguing or making points because you're not very credible.
"I'm motivated to live because I'm not yet ready to die." I haven;t yet beaten you to that point.
qlaw04 3 years ago
What are you talking about? Nobody has all the answers. It's perfectly fine to not know something. Just because YOU have an issue with saying "I don't know" doesn't mean I do. It doesn't make me less credible. It makes me honest.
clicb4 3 years ago
"It doesn't make me less credible. It makes me honest. "
Honestly not able to attack other beleif systems in that you have nothing better yourself. You're simply saying "I don't know." At least I have an answer and can answer in the affirmative.
Nobody wants a belief system that says "I don't know." "I don't know" makes no sense. People with faith believes that God has all of the answers and believe that God makes more sense than faliable man.
qlaw04 3 years ago
Some people are fine with "I don't know:, believe it or not. Even my annotation in the video says my viewpoints have evolved since this video was made so I'm not sure why you're trying to put words in my mouth.
clicb4 3 years ago
That's fine if you're fine with "I don't know". My point is that folks who believe ibn "I don't know" don't have much standing when criticizing people who believe in something, even if that something is intangible and impossible to discern.
qlaw04 3 years ago
Well, some people are more easily convinced or blinded ... so they tend to change side more than once ....
for others, it is the absence of proof for all of their existence that makes them atheist, for atheist who convert, it is because they need an explanation for the world or believe they had an actual proof of god.
rodawin 3 years ago
History & Evidence
OldSchoolAmerican 3 years ago
Atheist sometimes convert to Christianity because ... cocaine is a hell of a drug!
connoisseurodg 3 years ago 2
I was born an atheist then converted to Christianity when I was 5. I went to a Christian school and thought it was normal. I'm still a Christian and cant wait for the end days, end of the world etc. All you atheist babies are going to hell.
myY0UTUBEchanneI 3 years ago
I find it amusing that you get your kicks from being a condescending, judgemental hypocrite even though your bible says to not judge.
I'll go to hell when you can prove to me the Easter bunny and toothfairy exists. Hell sounds better to me anyway than worshipping your egotistical god anyway.
clicb4 3 years ago
Just that : LOL ...
rodawin 3 years ago
Your going to hell if your laughing at GOD. You wont be laughing when I get raptured and the war in Israel kicks off.
myY0UTUBEchanneI 3 years ago
I actualy love that kind of answer ... You live in your small deluded world bubble. Be careful not to break it ...
rodawin 3 years ago
Jesus will be here soon to fight satans muslim army. Like bush said "you are either with us or with Satan".
myY0UTUBEchanneI 3 years ago
Jesus is dead, if he ever existed at all. The Muslim countries pray 5 times a day, America is the home of Pole Dancing and Breast Implants. If there is a devil, then America is where he resides. Your god is a joke!! Jewish zombie? What a stupid idea for a religion. As a Pastafarian at least my god has balls. Yaweh was such a creep and his "son" was a long haired whimp in a dress who hung around with 12 guys and a hooker. RAMEN
ilreput 3 years ago
different people do things for different reasons, my best guess is that many of them have an experience that to them is too strong to rule out as emotion. or maybe their atheism was never based on critical thinking and open-mindedness at all, maybe it was based on something like pride(ain't no god gonna tell me what to do!) or perhaps they we just ignorant of the issue and allways just assumed that there was no god. Both would be easy to convert.
ionz75 3 years ago
With a large enough population of Atheists some are bound to be converted back to religion. Even if the probability is very low.
matt1746 3 years ago
Those who convert from atheism to christianity or other religion don't get enough education. I mean.. How can u be an atheist without knowing even a slightest bit about science? OR they're just fucking stupid.
WoWaddict3d 3 years ago
You don't have to know anything about science to be an Atheist...just like you don't have to go to church to be a Christian. With Atheism simply being a lack of belief, that statement has no attachment to science at all.
clicb4 3 years ago
If u're not taught about anything else than religion, u will most likely believe in the god of that religion. If u're told about both science and religion, u're less likely to believe in that god. Makes sence? Yes? No?
WoWaddict3d 3 years ago
I understand what you're saying, but I think it's still a good possibility that someone will take science AND that religion and put them together. Contradictory to a lot of people, sure, but with books and the like out today that tell Christians how to accept science and evolution, just learning about science isn't really enough by itself...in MY opinion.
Watch the 5thWatcher's new video below. He combines them together.
watch?v=hSCekqYfr64
clicb4 3 years ago
Sigh.. The same guy that tried to explain god with logic ended up saying that something that doesn't exists has to be proven to be non-existant. or sumthin. Just saying that every natural thing is made by god isn't enough. U need evidence! Actually, all lightning strikes are made by me. I'm not a god, but I'm still making them. U can't disprove it, so I must be therefore right.
Sounds stupid right?
WoWaddict3d 3 years ago
Oh, I understand where you're coming from. I was just giving you an example from what I consider to be one of the better Christians around here. I'm sure you'd prefer me to link you to a 5thWatcher video over a Yokeup video.
clicb4 3 years ago
Wowad are you kidding? Becuase you answer is just plain stupid!
watch?v=Tt_nhoWSRBY
Now after you watch this dare to say again its about education!
jesusrules2012 3 years ago
whoa that video was soo convincing. NOT!
If u really thought that there were no exeptions like these, then u're the one 'plain stupid'. I BET there are more people becoming atheists, than atheists becoming christians. As I said in one of my comments: ' they're just fucking stupid.'
WoWaddict3d 3 years ago
"Climbing the stairs to become a Christian"? "Falling down to become an atheist"? It's the other way around.
Most of the "I was an atheist" claimants I have talked to are fake. These people have no idea what atheism is, and cannot in any way describe the most basic feelings or thoughts an atheist has on religion (unlike ex-theists, who can describe religious belief in detail). They have all been from mildly religious or deistic, not atheist, homes.
seathanaich 3 years ago
One can be militantly anti-theist like me, another could simple be a believer there is no god, and yet another may be someone who does not believe in god but has never really thought about god. It is that last type of atheists that may convert. Additionally, some atheist may convert because religions often offer companionship they may be lacking in their own life. At first, I thought you were asking why atheists convert god-believers: to that I would say, 'cause (belief in) god is killing us!
JohnHasSeriousQ 3 years ago
they are afraid of death.
tehAngieChrist 3 years ago
I like your videos. I'm still afraid of death to some degree. I've heard people say that aren't afraid to die. Perhaps it's because I tend to have an underlying fear that I can't quite shake. *shrugs*
Also, I like how you did your user name. :P
clicb4 3 years ago
once a person grows up and learns reality they accept the truth.
that is why some atheists convert. they see and acknowledge the design and complexity of creation and know the evolution is BS , and that a guiding intellect the creator exists.
from my observations of many who converted.
proudamericanguy 3 years ago
I have to disagree. I think denying evolution is bs. It's very obvious evolution is part of everything. Life, technology, etc. To say it isn't is just lying to ones self. Just look at your baby pictures and the way you look now. Evolution. The evolution argument actually has nothing to do with the god argument.
I think Atheists have more of a "truth" than religious people do.
clicb4 3 years ago
your growth from a baby to maturity is NOT evolution , what a truly ignorant statement.
you are of course entitled to your opinion , even if it is wrong, lol
proudamericanguy 3 years ago
what people think of evolution depends on if you need evidence for what you think is true or not. Currently evolution has got all the evidence and religion only has absence of evidence to prove their god is true, which really doesent fly with rational people.
Vash002 3 years ago
there is zero evidence of macro evolution
( one animal evolving into another ) there is evidence of adaptation to environs , which ids not evolution because it does not lead to evolving into other species .
there is enough legal evidence , in the form of eye witness testimony ( the manuscripts the bible was translated from ) to legally declare Christianity a fact.
proudamericanguy 3 years ago
I suppose the impulse to search for evidence is a prerequisite to gain a proper understanding of evolution. There are plenty of transitional fossils that evidence evolution.
Legal evidence for Christianity? lol, Christians have tried it multiple times in the courts and have failed repeatedly.
eye witnesses? the bible was written 60 to a 100 years after christ, way beyond the average lifespan of the age.
Vash002 3 years ago
proudamericanguy, That was an incredibly ignorant statement to make. Evolution is the process of change...so are you telling me that you are still the exact same size, height, etc. as when you were in your mother's womb...or even before you became a fetus? Of course not. Stop pulling definitions out of your ass.
clicb4 3 years ago
you need to actually learn what you are talking about before talking out your ass about something you obviously havent a clue about.
proudamericanguy 3 years ago
I have learned and people who have learned are laughing at you like I am.
Vash002 3 years ago
Clicb4 that isn't what evolution is, evolution is the process of change for a species over millions of years.
Vash002 3 years ago
Growing up os not evolution assface. But the simplest proof for evolution is the different breeds of dogs that exist. Through very selective breeding programs and linebreeding, genes mutate and we also know that species adapt in very extreme circumstances or die out. That is why genes mutate when the genepool is diminished. That is also why breeders use the linebreeding technique. Dogs and wolves diverged a mere 100,000 years ago and the differences are immense.
kazuya1196 3 years ago
breeds of dogs are not evolution either , they are elegant examples of intelligent design( man's )
mankind bred and shaped them for each use he put them to , btw , they are still all canines and not another species
proudamericanguy 3 years ago
I know that, but looking at what selective breeding has produced is proof that evolution does work in theory. The only reason why wolves, jackals, dogs and coyotes are considered the same species is because they have the same number of chromosomes, but other than that they might as well have diverged. And perhaps given another 100,000 years they would have.
kazuya1196 3 years ago
Every year we require a new flu shot. Why? Because the flu virus changes that much in just one year.
Also, nylon was created by man 50 years ago. There is already a single-celled animal that has evolved the ability to eat nylon.
But that is all small change compared to the fossil record, which amazingly shows us evolution over millions of years, not just 50.
seathanaich 3 years ago
I believe in both evolution and God. They don't have to be conflicting theories. This ID thing is threat to the advancement of science and atheism is a sign of the times where anyhting goes and moral fiber is deteriorating. Not believing is one thing, but to be adamant and try to lead others away from religion and rediculing the ones that hold on to religion is immoral. Then again what do atheists know about morals.
kazuya1196 3 years ago
See this is why I am now an anti-theist and not simply an atheist. I am disgusted hearing many god-believers say stuff like this. Can you figure out what it is that YOU said in this comment that is untrue and in need of correcting?
Take a moment to think about it before reading on...
That's right; you suggest that atheists are not good people with morals or ethics simply because they do not believe in a god, and are THE cause of alleged moral decay of society. I know about morals; do you?
JohnHasSeriousQ 3 years ago
If u believe in evolution AND the christian God.. then u're screwed. U can't just pick one of the parts u believe, and then decide not to believe in others. I mean if the bible is wrong about the creation of the world then it's fucked! And don't give me that shit "It's symbolic" and shit.. Cause it only became symbolic the day it was proven that it was bullcrap.
WoWaddict3d 3 years ago
please give us a list of all the atheists that have converted and we'll have somthing to debate, Im atheists and I have not converted nor will I ever
shimpanzee1 4 years ago
I know of one that recently converted on youtube that now makes videos under "bornagaininhim". When I made this video, I didn't have a list of people in mind...just the fact that it does happen to people. I was trying to get better perspective on it and video responses helped. I just put up a new video today that's a question video like this, although different.
clicb4 4 years ago
two things are infinite;God and human stupidity.we are here to eventually realize this,how ever long it takes.the hardest things to understand are those which are so simple, and yet beyond our comprehension at the same time.humility and prayer is our best friend.
ekimbell 4 years ago
People are born atheists. Belief has to be pounded in to them with years of indoctrination. You dont discover it spontaniously growing up like you do with sex. Once you realize religions are immoral and caused millions and millions of deaths, you are out.
modelmark 4 years ago
I'm thinking about making a video soon about my hangups.
clicb4 4 years ago
Let me ask you why it is that Atheist dominate the intellectual fields? What does that say about religion? Why are religion more common in the south and rural areas..where as Atheism is common in culturally rich and highly educated areas of our country? There's a link between a high level of education and atheism... the iconic "tree of knowledge" is preached as a forbidden fruit? Does that not make you wonder?
Topsgeht 4 years ago 2
That's a good way to put it.
clicb4 4 years ago
Um... speaking of having an education - it was 'the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.' Not 'the tree of knowledge.' Slight difference.
xychr0 4 years ago
If I'm talking about presidents and I say "Clinton", you know that I'm talking about "Bill Clinton", right? So if someone says "Tree of Knowledge", you know what they mean, right? There are plenty of religious people I know that call is the shorter version as well.
KingHeathen 4 years ago
What you say about Bill Clinton is true - but there's a difference between 'knowledge' and 'knowledge of good and evil.' And you were talking about it in the context that the tree was providing knowledge itself, and that Xians think knowledge is bad. That's incorrect. Peace - Xy
xychr0 4 years ago
really? I advise you to reread your Bible. It states clearly that wisdom is not a good thing:
Job 37:24 - He respecteth not any that are wise of heart.
1 Corinthians 1:19 - For I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
KingHeathen 4 years ago
Why? because smart people can become dumb if they stop questioning. The healthy can become sick.. our minds can deteriorate... alzheimer's is an example. There can be plenty of reasons...but none being that they have found rational reasons to believe. I think we haven't yet encounter a logical reasoning presented by Theist. They can come close to presenting something that sounds good.. but intelligent people can pick it apart completely.
Topsgeht 4 years ago
The most common reason, is people turn to religion in a time of need. The church often provides care for those in need.
The other, very common one, is when people realise thier own mortality. Either they are diagnosed with a terminal illness, or someone close to them dies. Religion is a much nicer way of viewing death than atheism.
Or, they just like the comfort of thinking god is watching over them. But really, the reasons are as individual as the people.
Atheist
sapperbloggs 4 years ago
Coping mechanism.
Di66en6ion 4 years ago
Why? Why would a beaver contained within an experimental empty room carry out the actions of building it's damn, immitating the collection of foliage and sticks, creating a damn that only exists in it's head.
I think it's a mistake to consider we have not evolved with a sense of religion like a beaver has it's sense to build.
rooters11 4 years ago
Clic:
I was an atheist. But I've always been open to new ideas, and I've always sought the truth about life through philosophy, myth, etc. I'd say I converted because Christianity answers all my questions. I also can't ignore the subjective experience of being born again, which I can sum up in two words: totally astounding. Peace, buddy. - Xy
xychr0 4 years ago
I left Christianity for that same reason, more or less. I found that it answered fewer of my questions that I thought (or that it answered them in a fantasy sense instead of a realistic sense). To me, being "born again" is simply a mental high (like a drug). The world makes more sense to me now than it did as a Christian. But, as you say, peace. :)
clicb4 4 years ago
I'd describe it as a spiritual high, but if you're a materialist, you can call it a mental high. A chief question, though, is where that high comes from, and why it can be sustained through worship and service to the Lord, and why does it motivate some to completely alter their way of life. It's also specific to Christianity.
What are the questions that Christianity didn't answer?
xychr0 4 years ago
The "high" you speak of is chemicals in the brain reacting to something that it is supposed to portray as powerful (especially in groupthink). I get a "spiritual" high from music, but I know it's just the way it stimulates my mind. I have to disagree about it being specific to Christianity. Drugs give people a high also and get people to completely alter their way of life too.
clicb4 4 years ago
It's not really that Christianity doesn't answer questions. I just think it gives poorly thought out excuses. I think the concept of hell is hateful and cruel, especially if it's the product of a "loving" God. The Bible reads like a teenager that makes a lot of mistakes while playing the Sims. It goes on and on...
clicb4 4 years ago
"Chemicals in the brain."
I've put a lot of chemicals into my bloodstream over the years. Nothing like Christianity, though. Regardless, your answer is a mystical one to me - mere hand-waving. Say they are just 'chemical reactions,' how is it I used not to have this chemical reaction, and then after my conversion, I have it all the time?
xychr0 4 years ago
The mind believes what it wants to believe. The lack of evidence has steered me away from religion. Faith is a wonderful feeling, but I later realized it was a false feeling (faith = the belief that the god of the bible is good, regardless of murdering innocent people). People are different also. For some people, religion may be the answer they think they need. For others, no. I don't really have a problem with Deism though.
clicb4 4 years ago
Three points:
Belief and emotion are two separate things. Faith itself has never provided anyone with happiness.
Saying God murders innocent people is really a blanket statement. I'd be interested in your specifics and how you interpret them.
True, people are different, and it's stated that faith is a gift from God.
If you're not up for discussion, that's cool, but if you are, I'm willing to talk, as an atheist who converted.
xychr0 4 years ago
Haha... an atheist who converted? would that not be every Christian? We're all born as atheists...duh. Pure, until religion is injected into our minds..and trying to make us believe that knowledge and logic comes second to faith. Faith is irrational however you try to preach it. Faith should be the last resort that we rely on for our understanding of our world, yet Theist disregard everything else and blindly believe.
Topsgeht 4 years ago
"Theist disregard everything else and blindly believe."
No, we don't.
xychr0 4 years ago
yea, you do. you disregard the scientific community's understanding that the world is more than 6000 years old...you reject evolution, even when it has more evidence than anything in your faith. There are mounds of other things, but that should be enough to demonstrate my point.
Topsgeht 4 years ago
"yea, you do. you disregard the scientific community's understanding that the world is more than 6000 years old...you reject evolution, even when it has more evidence than anything in your faith. There are mounds of other things, but that should be enough to demonstrate my point."
LOL - wrong.
xychr0 4 years ago
Instead of just saying "wrong", at least tell Topsgeht HOW he's wrong since you thought it was worth telling him he was in the first place.
clicb4 4 years ago
There's not much room to rebut here. That's what email's for. But there's a lot more evidence that Xian faith is true and valid than there is for evo.
xychr0 4 years ago
I'm calling your bluff on that one. There's enough room here for your rebuttal.
clicb4 4 years ago
Yeah, I gave one: I said he's wrong. There, that only takes +/- 100 characters. :D
Seriously though, if you would like one, shoot me an email with whatever comments and questions and I'll get them all answered. Otherwise, please insert 'the last word / laugh' below. Peace - Xy
xychr0 4 years ago
Typical cop-out. That's fine. Whatever floats your boat.
clicb4 4 years ago
Shoot me an email if you really have anything to say. Peace - Xy
xychr0 4 years ago
I agree, typical cop-out.
If your "rebuttal" is "He's wrong"...then my rebuttal to you is "You're wrong"...yeah, I win.
KingHeathen 4 years ago
When I made the video, I had Atheists who had already done the research in mind...like the ones who replied to the video.
clicb4 4 years ago
Some of the factors that may lead a person to convert are: serious brain injury, need to have a social life for business networking, realizing that one can reap financial benefit by exploiting the uneducated masses, and a total lack of self-esteem. The list is endless.
ConserveCompassion 4 years ago
by the way im not religious, i just believe in god (not heaven or hell), and i hate labelings:atheist,theist,agnostic, and all of that bullshit
MAGONZACO 4 years ago
That's cool, but assuming you like to think...what's the purpose of a God if there is no heaven or hell? Even if there is no hell, but there is a heaven, what's the point in believing in it?
clicb4 4 years ago
i completely understand what u mean, yeah whats the point? there is no point in the way that theres no afterlife, and no amswers to prayers, but its true to me, i deffinitely believe in God, but how does that affects my lifestyle well it isnt any different from an atheist. thats the best way i could explain it.
MAGONZACO 4 years ago
i seek the truth thats all
MAGONZACO 4 years ago
As strange as this may sound, I understand what you mean. I'm in my search for truth now also.
clicb4 4 years ago
im a dutch medicine student and i was raised as an atheist(though my parents both doctors taught me to respect the beliefs of others), and about 2 years ago after studying, reading, and all of that shit i said "yeah i deffinitely believe in God", it was simple, but i had to read a lot of books, and i had to think a lot.(this is a pathetic and short description of what happened but yeah)
MAGONZACO 4 years ago
Ahh sorry that was not the topic of the video but anyways.I don't what a definition of an atheist is.I myself am only looking for facts to discover the truth. I try to have an open mind to things, but I will not allow myself to believe blindly in something just because others do. Because I've allready been there and done that.Peace.
ShockedWithTruth 4 years ago
I understand. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in any God or anything supernatural. God, Satan, Zues...anything. You die, you rot in the ground, the end. I'm not sure where I stand, other than I no longer claim any religion.
clicb4 4 years ago
Religions demand one thing, and one thing only. Total obedience to some kind of authority, be it god(s), priest(s) or some other stuff without anykind of doubt.Because if you begin to doubt and question, if you start to think, you become a dangerous person, a non believer and a "satans puppet".
ShockedWithTruth 4 years ago
Not really. Any dogma demands the absence of doubt, be it dogmatic religion or atheism. Christianity has room for doubt, but God also answers questions.
xychr0 4 years ago
But Atheism isn't a religion. It's the absence OF religion. It has no dogma. God always has an answer, according to Christians...even if it's "God works in mysterious ways". That's a cop-out and no longer good enough for me anymore.
clicb4 4 years ago
Yeah - but I was referring to the misconceptions about obedience and the supposed danger of thinking to the poster who can't equate intellectualism with faith. Not all religions or beliefs are dogmatic.
I've never settled on the good-ol "God works in mysterious ways" answer, either.
xychr0 4 years ago
I would say that some atheists are looking for any reason to believe in God, even if the 'evidence' doesn't stand up to scrutiny, because it can be daunting breaking free from religion when your family's religious and so are your friends. Most atheists simply follow the evidence and scrutinise what they are told is true and therefore remain atheists.
BobTKaye 4 years ago
A thinking person who was an atheist would probably convert once they realize that Abiogenesis is impossible.
Silly2smart 4 years ago
Convert to what?
Brianj1234 4 years ago
To a theist philosophy. Of them, the Christian would be a logical choice.
mavyvampire 4 years ago
How would you come to realize that? Disproving abiogenesis is a bit like disproving god - it cannot be done.
TawntheAtheist 4 years ago
The average DNA molecule is about 1000 units long of all right handed sugars. As both right and left handed sugars are equally created naturally, the odds of that happening is 1 in 10 to the 300th power. To put that into perspective there are about 10 to the 80th power atoms in the universe. So you would need a trillion trillion universes worth of atoms all trying to form the DNA once every second for a trillion trillion ... (8 more triilion) years. And that just the sugars.
mavyvampire 4 years ago
Youre looking at the final product. Today's DNA has evolved from something much simpler. When you factor in natural selection your numbers are meaningless.
TawntheAtheist 4 years ago
There is no natural selection with chemicals. Scientific LAWS disprove abiogenesis. Many of the chemicals needed also cross react thereby making time work against "chance" life. That with Law of Hydrostasis and the Law of increasing entropy and abiogenesis is laughably impossible.
Silly2smart 4 years ago
I dont see how the 2nd law of thermodynamics (entropy) has any bearing on abiogenesis - we are not in a closed system. The law of hydrostasis I havent even heard of and cannot find with a quick search. All sorts of chemicals reach with each other in different ways - this just means they would have to be combined in a certain order.
TawntheAtheist 4 years ago
Google: law of hydrolysis. As to entropy, all things break down and the more complex tend to break down quicker. This would also make time work against Abiogenesis.
Silly2smart 4 years ago
Sorry, my daughter had used my computer, reply to me if you want any more information.
Silly2smart 4 years ago
Calculating the opdds after the fact doesn't make sense. And no I don't agree that converting to Christianity is a logical step from atheism. If abiogenesis is impossible it owuld lead a person to at most be a deist. It does nothing to convince a non believer of any specific religion.
Brianj1234 4 years ago
The reason why I said Christianity was a logical choice was the other theist ideas ether say you can do this many times and no problem or they don't have any way to be saved. Just by elimination it would be more logical.
Silly2smart 4 years ago
Well, the reason partly is because you are a christian and beleive that people need to be saved. Atheists have no such pre-conceived ideas.
Other theist ideas say you can do what many times? I didnt understand that statement.
Brianj1234 4 years ago
Reincarnation is a popular theist idea, it may be true but it will not hurt you if your unaware of it.
Silly2smart 4 years ago
You going somewhere with that tidbit of information?
Brianj1234 4 years ago
When something is statistically impossible, it is normally discarded as a valid theory. If you're not into math hows this: we have never been able to synthesize all 20 amino acids for DNA. Or hows this, the Law of Hydrolysis would prevent a DNA molecule to form in water in the first place.
Silly2smart 4 years ago
Sorry, this in no way leads anyone to Christianity.
Brianj1234 4 years ago
I believe the topic was why atheist converts. My first statement was because an atheist stand is from flawed understanding and a thinking person would convert. My extrapolation was for that same thinking person who would see which possible theist truth would gain him the most and harm him the least, hence a Christian stand.
Silly2smart 4 years ago
Sounds like Pascals wager. How would converting to Buddhism hurt you?
Brianj1234 4 years ago
Getting into catch phrases and sound bites will diminish ones critical thinking process. Never the less: Because if Buddhism was the truth and you and I did not become Buddhist, it would do us no harm whatsoever. We just keep reincarnating till we get it right.
Silly2smart 4 years ago
The other end of that would be if Christianity was the truth then only accepting Jesus in to you life would help you, every other way would hurt you.
Silly2smart 4 years ago
I'm not sure whether buddhists beleive in reincarnation, but that aside.. Whether or not disbelief would hurt you has nothing to do with whether a possible belief is true or not.
Brianj1234 4 years ago
I would guess an agnostic stand would be first while one is searching for the truth. Christians may be wrong, but they cant be harmed in their stand.
Silly2smart 4 years ago
Why not? Maybe Islam is the truth and Christians will be sent to hell by Allah
Brianj1234 4 years ago
The Koran refers to the Bible and it never states how one can be saved. A true Christian would fulfill all the major requirements in the Koran.
Silly2smart 4 years ago
Atheists do not believe there is a need to be saved. This is a belief of Christians.
Back on topic, there is no reason to convert to a religion based on the possibility of abiogenesis.
Brianj1234 4 years ago
Well if a "natural" creation of life is impossible, then your stand as an atheist is completly false. As to a theist stand, I mearly state that Christianity is a more logical choice.
Silly2smart 4 years ago
On;y if you buy into the 'need to be saved' business. If you don't buy into that in the first place, there's no point in taking it up.
Brianj1234 4 years ago
Of course my first comment was talking about a thinking person, not someone filled with atheist dogma.
Silly2smart 4 years ago
There's no such thing as atheist dogma, my friend
Brianj1234 4 years ago
But there is dogmatic atheists. If you insist on believing in nothing when the evidence is to the contrary, you are free to do so.
Silly2smart 4 years ago
Nonsense. I'm sorry but abiogenesis being true or not has no bearing on Jesus. There is no correlation. Therefore, an atheist wishing to convert would look at deism, not Christianity.
Brianj1234 4 years ago
This same thinking person would realize that the only God that had meaning or an impact on their lives was the Christian one as the others have no specific instructions on what to do.
Silly2smart 4 years ago
A thinking person doesn't need telling what to do.
Brianj1234 4 years ago
Of course not, just given accurate information. You seamed to be having issues with a logical progression is all and I was explaining them for you.
Silly2smart 4 years ago
I understand. :) I'm just trying to explain to you that you only see a logical progression because of your own biases.
Brianj1234 4 years ago
When something is proven false what is the logic in clinging to it? Explain your logic please.
Silly2smart 4 years ago
Proving one hypothesis wrong does not automatically prove your own favourite hypothesis correct.
Life could have started on Earth via some other action that we don't know yet, like some advanced space aliens seeding our planet.
Brianj1234 4 years ago
Yes, that is possible, but that would only push the problem of abiogenesis off to that planet with equal failure.
Silly2smart 4 years ago
yes but it would also prove all Earth religions false, including Christianity. Sorry. ;)
Brianj1234 4 years ago
So you believe in UFO's then? Pretty retarded aliens, seeding the universe with creatures that could wipe them out someday. Why didn't they just colonize earth with themselves?
Silly2smart 4 years ago
I didn't say I believed in UFO's. lol. I'm just saying.. Christianity is not the foregone conclusion you think it is.
Brianj1234 4 years ago
True, its just the most logical to believe is all. I never have said its a sure thing, just most likely. That's where faith comes in, like I said before faith is highly prized in heaven and if I'm right I plan to ask why.
Silly2smart 4 years ago
It's only the most logical to you. I find it much more logical that a deist God created life on earth, and the entire universe, and left it to itself.
Brianj1234 4 years ago
Thats possible, but has little meaning to you or me as our fates would be the same.
Silly2smart 4 years ago
Yes that sums up all religious beliefs, doesn't it? lol
Brianj1234 4 years ago
If it were so I wouldn't bother even typing a reply. But our fates would be the same for ONLY a non-Christian God. That's why trying to believe in a Christian God is more logical. I want to see that die hard movie, so I'll talk to you later my friend. :)
Silly2smart 4 years ago
"But there is dogmatic atheists. If you insist on believing in nothing when the evidence is to the contrary, you are free to do so."
Weren't you discussing what belief a person should have if they accept that there must be a creator?
TawntheAtheist 4 years ago
Yes I was, it is merely a complete logical progression I was going through. Being logical is not like being dogmatic. I envy people with lots of faith both theists and atheist. My conclusions are not at all about faith although the Bible infers that it is highly prized in heaven. Accepting Jesus into your life is no cost at all, and easy.
Silly2smart 4 years ago
"The other end of that would be if Christianity was the truth then only accepting Jesus in to you life would help you, every other way would hurt you."
So what youre saying is that we should accept the religion which most threatens us if we dont believe it - thats crazy. How is that a determinant of truth?
TawntheAtheist 4 years ago
Its not, its just the more logical one.
Silly2smart 4 years ago
Thats not logic - thats hedging your bets. What are you more concerned about - ensuring you stand the best possible chance of avoiding punishment? or trying to determine what is truth?
TawntheAtheist 4 years ago
The funny thing is that he really seems to think this is going to get more converts to his religion.
Brianj1234 4 years ago
"we have never been able to synthesize all 20 amino acids for DNA."
Have we been able to synthesize any of them?
TawntheAtheist 4 years ago
Sure the experiment done in 1950'ish made a few.
Silly2smart 4 years ago
atheism is a position of skepticism. atheists require a measure of proof or evidence that needs to be present to be convinced that a religion is valid and that god exists. the evidence can be as weak as a desire or a need to believe in something to feel fullfilment or can be as complex as tangible, objective, irrefutable proof. to each his/her own.
QueeeeNoftheHonEBZ 4 years ago
I think RRS did a pretty good job on this, but I'll get you a response video sometime soon...no promises as to when.
KingHeathen 4 years ago
That's cool. I was hoping you would, but I feel like asking is kinda pushy. If someone makes a video response to me, I want it to be because they wanted to. Thanks for watching.
clicb4 4 years ago
not really...you have to consider, I have over 700 subscribers now and get about 20-30 comments and 5-10 PM's PER DAY. If you don't send me notice of stuff like this, I won't ever see it. I don't mind.
KingHeathen 4 years ago
Yeah, I am getting a somewhat constant flow of comments myself, although not that many (maybe it just feels like a lot to me...lol). I don't have nearly that many subscribers (under 25). I know you're not just gonna see it, so that's why I send it to you in e-mail. I'm glad you're one of the few people who will actually get back to me on stuff though. Thanks.
clicb4 4 years ago
There are many "lets just pretend" christians out there and this is NOT a bad thing in my understanding. Those obstinate "never back down" atheists like myself can estrange our friends and relatives and make our social lives miserable. Sometimes it is better for everybody to kick back and babble their bull shit with them and make everybody happy
KasparHauser4 4 years ago
Yeah, well I'm not one to succumb to going with the crowd. I'm an Agnostic believer myself and my views are best described as bi-polar. I still believe, but my beliefs are not really definitive. I don't rely on the Bible anymore. I guess I'm a desensitized version of what I used to be. I'm still in the research phase, although I quit going to church about 6 years ago.
clicb4 4 years ago
Through the business he learned to pretend that he had the same philosophy and religiousity of his customers...this is necessary in this kind of business if you are to be sucessful.
KasparHauser4 4 years ago
Well there is NO atheist god that will punish you for eternity for your blasphemy of not believing in atheism. MY 90 year old father is an atheist but goes to a Catholic church he adores religously and he pretends to be a Catholic. He was a sucessfull restauranteer during his younger years and had a popular catering business.
KasparHauser4 4 years ago
The only logical reason that I can come to is the atheist has a momentary lapse of reason. Evangelicals always go by the mantra "if you don't disbelieve it, you will feel that it's true", though it's not actually worded that way. If you choose to read the Qu'ran without disbelief, you will feel that it's true; the same is true of the works of H.P. Lovecraft.
grnmessiah 4 years ago
Each case is unique. But all the conversion reasons I heard (Not just atheist->theist but skeptic->esoteric-para believer and all sorts) are anything but convincing about that their atheism/skepticism/etc. was based upon rational-critical thinking. The fell for the cheapest tricks usually.
lovasip 4 years ago
Adult conversions from Atheism to belief is fairly rare. Xianity is an incredibly weak story to sell someone as an adult, so it generally only happens because the Atheist is not well grounded in his/her atheism in the first place.
websnarf 4 years ago
I think the biggest reason is a near-death experience. Or, going hand-in-hand with that, getting old. Everyone fears death, and when you start dwelling on it more you can lose it and start believing in fairy tales.
opmbb 4 years ago
Surely you should address the question to ex-Atheists, not Atheists! :-) But, you are wrong to say that all atheists are thoroughly sceptical and analytical. Many are not - they simply don't believe; and get on with their lives without too much thought at all.
GalacticAtom 4 years ago