Melungeon Voices

[BOGZASV8MA]

everyone here who has done genetic tests. i am not melungeon but very curious.

anyone HERE has Haplogroup I2a on their Y chromosome. thats my haplogroup.?

i am croatian -serbian . let me know.

[shifragri]

1pt. THE MALUNGU STORY IN A NUTSHELL

The original Melungeon community began among the Angolans arriving in Virginia in the early 1600s. These Africans called themselves malungu from 1620 through 1700 when the first generations of Kimbundu-speaking Angolan arrivals in Virginia were still alive. By the 1660s, the exclusive Angolan malungu community had begun extending to include the mixed descendants of whites and Indians who were intermarrying into their families.

[bassbasketball03]

Does the fact that I am of mixed Cherokee black and white make me one?

[Cre8iveN8ive]

@bassbasketball03 Considering nobody really knows what they are, you could be. I know a family of "Melungeons" who claim to be black, white and Cherokee, and they even look like an almost even mixture of the three. But those are the Melungeons of Tennessee. Apparently most "melungeons" in Virginia actually look white and claim to be Turkish or Portuguese, but my family has known of two families with melungeons and they are too dark to just be one of those. Are you from the Southeast?

[CrazyNative4]

cool

[LucidDream]

I live in Tennessee and not too far from Campbell county. There are groups of Melungeons that live out here.

[ladyEulaelie]

Can anyone tell me anything?

I'm from Texas. I just found out through googling "slave Cornish" Cornish is my surname, that I might be of Melungeon descent.

From what I read, Gowen, Sweat and Cornish were surnames that a Melungeon might have. I'm still not sure about my ancestry. I know my father said that I it was a mixture of black and indian. I was told the indian tribe was (I will spell it like I pronounce it) Mahmu ????

[hamongog2015]

@ladyEulaelie hey, it all depends on who u talk with, as their are many theories. Unfortuantely, no body knows for sure. Also, different Melugeoun families may have intermixed with different groups, s/a indian or white. I believe it is possible they r one of the lost tribes of Israel (don't confuse with "sephardic jews"), which history shows were in America in ancient times. To me, they look sicilian. The Portugese theory also seems to be realilistic. Turks or Afro mixed I doubt.

[lovingit1000]

@hamongog2015 - It's not such a mystery considering that we have DNA testing today and it has shown a strong link with both European and Sub-Saharan African haplotypes. They've also found traces of Native DNA. You can look it up. I'm not sure why you doubt the African part, considering how so many African slaves passed in history. They could not if they didn't look more European. It's estimated that 30% of white Americans have a recent African ancestor because of it...especially in the South.

[PharaohII]

@lovingit1000 THANK YOU!!! THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING AS FAR AS SAYING THEY ARE TURKISH!!! Has white society created it that bad to be BLACK!!

[SuperThousand]

Melnuncan =Melungeon = inoccent souls = losing souls defenetly are turks

mostley from the area of six finger mountains this peopel how living there sure name sixfingers and he have also nort american native indians have tribes to siberia and the hungary languges verry similar ! cherokee sound like turkey

also names karasahin =black falcon (hawk) ore before this name was kara sahin ogullari = the sons of black falcons (hawks) greets all love peace and respect to all MELUNGEONS *T.C.*

[TheMrKoray]

meluncan its turkish pronancation its turkish word :) it means lost soul

[mrsjaytay]

i liked this a lot.. i just wish there was more of it...

[KushaDwipa]

You people don't forget where that rhtyhym comes from in the Blue grass you are playing. The same place the original people came from before thety mixed with Indians and and other Europeans!.

[emircanpolat]

I am Turk and they are Turk. They were taken prisoner by the Portuguese in Battle of Lepanto (İnehbahtı Deniz Savaşı). God bless you my brothers&sisters from a TURK... You should find Brent Kennedy.

[happyboy2518]

Abraham Lincoln is a example of a Melungeon!

[happymanica]

Il love being white, but i adore human diversity id love to see some sort of mulugeon identity!

[PharaohII]

LMAO AT YOU MOTHER FUCKERS who THINK YOU ARE INDIAN OR PORTUGUESE.. THATS FUCKING SAD YOU ALLOW RACISM TO PLAY A ROLE IN WHO YOU ARE!!

[paloxmanx]

Since it calls or that it is the deep voice that one listens of fund?

[benficaforlife1]

Melungeons are Portuguese. Be proud that you are related to a country that ruled the seven seas.

[Pasha1075]

I am here. I am Melungeon.

We have not gone.

[jbrannon180]

I was raised mostly in foster homes growing up. At almost 30 years old I finally did some research... only to find out these are my ancestors. I'm not entirely sure what to think or say. I'm not sure how to feel about it, pride or shame or... I dunno.... I was able to trace back to the the early 1800's. Interesting to say the least. Even more mysterious.

[LocoRico89]

They say Melungeons are from East Tennessee. My great great grandpa is from Tennessee but we don't know his place of birth! It's possible I might be Melungeon! Who knows!

[xander7ful]

I've read that Melungeons are Mediterranean, Black and Native American. I am not one, although on my Italian father's side of the family there might be Spanish or Greek origins. So that probably accounts for my interest in Melungeons.

[jbmorr03]

My Morris ancestors weren't Melungeon but lived and worked with them for generations on Black Mountain and in Crab Orchard Virginia.

[godsgurl08]

The man that said something about his great great grandpa might have been up and down the east coast is my pastor!! :) Good man!!

[Esperanza2015]

0:29 my grandma yellow shirt my first cousin black pants my uncle black shirt

[agent9752]

very interesting...

[Ahakim66]

Melugneons are and feel themselves as turks!!

[bootlegproductions12]

WV melungeon right here baby!

[caibarien71]

I heard , they where turks, who came as servants of the british....

[KushaDwipa]

"I heard , they where turks, who came as servants of the british.... " Everyone needs to remember the word Turk was the name Americans used for Moroccans and other Muslims in the Barbary Coast. Not just people from Turkey!

[hgdjhjdfjg]

good point and quite true, all muslims were called turks

[capttrips25]

I am desended from "Revolutionary John" Mullins.

John got that name because he fought the British during the American Revolution. He's buried over in clintwood VA. All my people are dead now but somewhere I have our family tree and tons of pictures. Its just hard to look at it and remember people.

[GETSENT4]

I'm Melungeon

[KushaDwipa]

Very interesting. I saw a family in this video that looks exactly like a picture I have of my Native American, African American white American Hale family from Franklin Co., Virginia. In fact I'm not sure its not the same family. My other "Mulatto" (classified on census) family of Jarrett-Copeland- Whitehead family of Georgia also used to say they had dutch ancestry too. One member, my great-great-gandmother, they say came from North west India. I consider myself black though.

[Monasukapanough]

There is some stuff online of the Whiteheads...I forget exactly the full stuff on the whitehead family...but interesting stuff for the whiteheads.

Descendants today look all colors of the rainbow.

Franklin county, Va was a Monacan nation territory....aka Siouan speakers...the Monacan and Manahoac merged to become known as the Saponi nation.

[KushaDwipa]

My Whiteheads were from Georgia and I think my related Irvins too. But my Hale family was from Blackwater and Calloway VA in Franklin Co. I would like to find out where the dark skinned lady with her hair pulled back one of the old photo's is. She looks almost exactly like my great grandmother Sarah Hale who I am told was born on a reservation in Calloway Franklin county VA.

[Monasukapanough]

My family has been in Georgia mostly since the GA land lottery. migrated mostly from the NC Coast. My Collins was going from Granville, Hyde county, in NC to Broad river in SC to Rutherford nc. My Susanna was all over the place lol...sometimes she was listed white and sometimes free person of color.

[Monasukapanough]

I'm trying to think of which reservation would have been in that area....I know the Pamunkey and Mattaponi had reservations more east. I've found references to a Saponi reservation in Hillsboro nc...but I have not been able to find records of a reservation in hillsboro...but that would have been close to franklin virginia. I've been told there was a Saponi reservation in hillsboro nc in the 1700's though.....I've been searching for actual records though.

[KushaDwipa]

Hi are you from one of my lines? Do you know about Calloway, VA in Franklin County. Sarah Louisa Hale was supposed to have been from Calloway and her father Jake from "Blackwater" in Franklin County VA. I don't think these Hales were related to NC. The Jarrett - Copeland-Whitehead group were not related to the Hales and were from Milner's Crossroads in Harris Co. Georgia.I was just told they had some ancestors that fled the potato famine in Ireland too. My great grandmother Rosa was Catholic.

[Monasukapanough]

I'm from the Collins of Granville,NC mid

1700's...My Collins also was trvaeling to Hyde couty, nc and to broad river sc.

I'm also probally descended from the Gibsons thru the Brock family of Granville, NC.

My family have been in the Paulding county, GA areas since the 1830's with the Bass, Collins, Jeffries, Paynes, etc.

[Monasukapanough]

the VA and NC Native communities had started being converted to Christianity in the 1600's thru the Brafferton boarding school in virginia.

The Siouan religion was in many ways already close to the Christian religion...even the description of heaven was kind of close. So the conversion was not entirely that hard to make....however the tribe in NC-VA believed in sacrafices which was a major difference..that practice was brought to NV and VA from Cahokia and the Mayans of Central Mexico.

[skankspankr]

The area on the TN/VA border where many Melungeon familioes lived is also known as "Blackwater". There were fpc Hales in the area, tho I havent seen a family connections to Melungeon families, other than a Hale being prosecuted for illegal votng along with some Melungeon Collinses in the 1840s.

[KushaDwipa]

Hi I'm not sure where your source about the Hales come from. i am just assuming the Hales were Melungeon from the Melungeon DNA website, but she could have been talking about the Tenessee melungeons. She wrote a book on this her name is Elizabeth Hirschman who wrote suddenly Melungeons.

[skankspankr]

I highly reccomend the bo "Melungeons - Examining An Appalachian Legend" by Pat Spurlock Elder, she has some info on the Hales. Also, Jack Goins located he court records for the illegal voting case that mentions a Hale, (He's the one in the video who says "some were labeled free people of color"). Hirschman and Panther-Yates' DNA study is flawed because NONE of the subjects they tested on came from ANY of the historically identified Melungeon families. They were people who self-IDed as such.

[KushaDwipa]

hi sorry its been a few weeks but i was looking foe the Mullins info. First i want to say I could only find back to the a census of the mid 1800s that has a J.M. Mullins as the grandson of my great great great grandfather Jarrett born around 1818. Both this Mullins and the Jarrett ancestor are mentioned as Mulattos and the mother and father of the Mullins are both listed as born in Georgia. This is as far back as i have been able to go.

[KushaDwipa]

I meant to add the Hales that were mixed (mainly with Indians) also had most of their connections in Kentucky. Others moved into West Virginia to work in the coal mines where they mixed with other melungeon or mulatto peoples. This was between the 1890s and 1930s.

[skankspankr]

The Pat Elder book relates a story about an Indian man named Hale who would come down out of the mountains from time to time and talk to someof the settlers. Cant remembr the specific time era and place.

[KushaDwipa]

I found the book that claims the Hales were "free people of Color" in hawkins County Tennessee by . I also found out the early Hales were rleated to the Branham "Monacans" who originated with both Indian and African families and were married to people in Amherst VA calling themselves "portyghee" in the 1700s.

[skankspankr]

Have you read "Melungeons-Examining An Appalachian Legend" by Pat Elder? She has a little section on the Hales, who werent really considered part of the Melungeon settlement of Newmans Ridge, but have links. I believe one of the Hales was prosecuted in 1840 along with some Collinses and Goinses for illegal voting, because they were accused of being black. The wife of a friend of mine was a Hale, and we found out that she was also descended from Collinses.

[KushaDwipa]

Actually that's a book i plan to order right away, as well as another one by someone named Haithcock I think. This makes sense about the Collins, Goins and Hales as from what I have just heard many of the Melungeon Hales still living in Ohio not far from Kentucky are still very dark. My thing is however, since the name Melungeon was first applied to groups in Virginia I am sure the mixing of lineages didn't begin in Tennessee. Hales and others began mixing way back in VA and then in Kentucky.

[skankspankr]

Although I agree that these families were mixing long before Tennessee, I dont believe the word Melungeon was applied to them until they reached the general area that they settled at near Newmans Ridge. The earliest found documented use of the word was in 1813 in Scott Co, VA, which borders Hancock Co, TN, and it'sa word that these families never ued themselves, it was a name given to them by others. In other areas,these families were called other names, Ramps, Redbones, Brass Ankles,etc.

[KushaDwipa]

I agree the later use of the word melungeon was in Tenessee. and the earliest use was in VA. Their earliest descriptions are also those of dark-skinned people some who called themselves "Portughee" as did the Hales and Branhams of Amherst and other Virginia Counties. Many if not most of the Hales, Mullins and Branhams (who today are a major family in the Monacan Indians) and other people moved into Tennessee from Kentucky after having moved from Virginia. Others moved directly from VA to TN.

[KushaDwipa]

I don't know about the Hale being Melungeons myself in Tennessee. I do know that most Hales in VA and KY claim to have Indian( "Cherokee") blood which may have originated in Franklin County, VA. For ex., i found the Indian ancestry of a Hale family in KY whose "Cherokee" blood came through a family named Branham which is a still a major surname of the Saponi tribe in VA. today. I also know my Hales who claimed a family connection to Nathan Hale lived on a reservation in Franklin Co., VA.

[1damnnut]

i have i long line of melungeon herritage, my family came from n-e tn and e-ky

mountains,my mother's family the troxells have a cornblossom story on the web,they were irish and native american,red head indians, when the spanish came here the reported red headed indains not muslims, or turks,

[Monasukapanough]

There is some stuff on Cornblossom I think with a "Black dutch" family........Now there was red headed white people in North and Central America long before columbus ever came here. Research the Paiute...they have the red head story...also check out the mummies in Peru.

[brenkwalker]

Monasukapanough I would like to know what info you have on the Collins family...my great grandmother was a Collins and I have them back to Wilson County Tennessee etc...A family member has a trunk full of tin types etc from the family including a hand made fiddle

Thanks,

Bren

[Monasukapanough]

Well...if you can trace them back to the Louisa and orange county of VA...then I can show you them originateing from Hyde county, nc.

[skankspankr]

If im not mistaken, some of the Collins in Wilson Co were labele "portuguese" in the 1910 census. I'll look it up.

[Monasukapanough]

We are currently enrolling at the Manahoac Saponi Nation.

Main enrollees are descended from the Collins, Erwin, Irwin, Harrison, Griffin, Austin, and of course bollins.

[KushaDwipa]

My melungeon family from the Jarrett- Copeland family of Georgia area married people named Irwin and their first names to me Oram and Oran Sophie and Levi sound Jewish.

[Monasukapanough]

Georgia had a community of Jews that was living down around Savannah in the early to mid 1700's.

[KushaDwipa]

The Irwins like the Whiteheads that married into my family seem to have had many Jewish names and may have originally come from Virginia to Georgia and married Melungeons with Native blood. One of my Whiteheads (whose grandmother Sophia Whitehead was Jewish and married to a Joseph) married an Oram Irvin who had Oram Jr also called Ram. Oram was descended from an Oran. All of these names are very Jewish. Irwin of course is a Jewish name.

[Monasukapanough]

Lots of Irvin/Irwin/Erwins was in rutherford, NC in the 1700's.

Have to remember Erwin/Irwin was the name of Native American Saponi who was living on the Saponi reservation in the early 1700's also.

[KushaDwipa]

Then these gives some credence to the view and DNA studies that early Native Americans and Melungeons were mixed with Sephardic Jews. Also I don't remember any mention of people called Saponi by my family from the reservation in Calloway Blackwater Township, Franklin County, Virgina . Blackfoot is the term they use.

[hgdjhjdfjg]

that's a scottish name that came to northern ireland and then to appalachia, with countless examples. i even stayed on irwin avenue in northern ireland.

[skankspankr]

Hate to say it, but Irwin has nothing do with Melungeons. Neither do any of the other "Jewish" names in the Panther/Yates studies.

[KushaDwipa]

'Hate to say it, but Irwin has nothing do with Melungeons. " I I only said that my mulatto families married Jewish people with the surname Irwin. In fact, melungeons ended up marrying Catholics and Jewish families because they were also not quite accepted elsewhere. My greatgrandmother Jarrett was a Catholic with red hair, hence the name Rosa. Her father was probably of French Hugeuonot or Flemish origin. She claimed ancestors who fled a potato famine in Ireland. Others married Mullins.

[zhuriyuk2]

I know there was a bunch of crazy secrecy with my family, especially my grandmother. As for Swedish, that's what she always SAID. Unfortunately, I have never been able to trace her family history, not even her parents. It's like they didn't exist. Some Swedish guy may have married into the family already here. The only clues she has given are the old family stories about Frank and Jesse James, stories I have never seen anywhere else. I really don't know about Abe.

[EastPointDrinker]

we don't use abe lincoln stories, that was a recent discovery.

You said the name Moore....which means you would have had the lumbee stories...since that is where the Moore name fits in. I don't know but by going by what you say..it sounds like your trying to throw alot of stuff in to try and fit in with us. Swedish being the part that really sent up the false flag for me. Spainish, Portuguese, Irish, Scottish, Black.....and of course native america...and ottoman turks..but not swedish.

[zhuriyuk2]

My grandmother, a Swanson, always claimed to be Swedish. Take one look at her, though, and anyone would say otherwise.  She had dark tan skin, and brown hair, but she did have blue eyes. She always looked more native or something than northern European. She also told her kids a strange family story about Jesse James, and that he was a distant relative...who I have found was Melungeon. Also something about Abe Lincoln. But family history? Now that was always taboo and NOT talked about.

[EastPointDrinker]

well there was no swedish. To be a offical melungeon you have to be able to trace 3 races. now the "just stop" at late 1600 to 1700....that is throwing me off because you did not mention where it just stops. Tenn can not be tracedin the late 1600's, then you say the half indian and black dutch...which is not something a line usually has both stories of....some lines have the black duth...some have the native story...then you say abe lincoln...

[zhuriyuk2]

My family moved all around back in the day, using seemingly odd routes. KY, NC, TN, (usually in and around Cumberland Gap) later Indiana as they were pushed out. They established early communities in those areas, preached the gospel (they were known as being quite radical preachers down through the centuries...my dad's a preacher, too), had zillions of kids, lived elusive lives that are hard to track, had darkish skin (we still do), no notable origin other than just being there.

[zhuriyuk2]

Anyone else here have a family tree that just STOPS sometime in the early 1700's/late 1600's...with no explanation as to how and when the family got here, but the first records of them happen to show up all of a sudden in the Appalachians?  I've got "half Indian" stories, "black Dutch" stories, "free person of color" stories, "white" stories...the list goes on. But who am I? Where does my family come from? I grapple with these questions everyday. The answers are "deep in the Appalachians"

[khammurabi]

I believe they are descendants of Jews,& Moors from Portugal,Spain,. And a few Turks was absorbed into their group. Later mixed with Old English immigrants.

[EastPointDrinker]

The newman's ridge people was Black, white, native american, and portuguese.

The Mullins was the Portuguese

the collins was the Manahoac nation of Spotsylvania and orange counties virginia. The manahoacs mixed with portuguese and whites and they had thesepeople living in their tribes. The manahoac married back and forth with their neighbor the Saponi and later became known as Saponi before going to Newmans ridge.

The 3rd family group at the ridge was black.

[KushaDwipa]

My Jarrett- Copeland family of Georgia married a few women whose last names were Mullins. Great uncle Wilson Jarrett married a Lucia Mullins, and great Uncle Phil Copeland married a Lizzie Mullins. All of these people I have found on the Census to be listed as Mulattos. I have a photo of some of the children of Wilson and Lucia.

[capttrips25]

My Mullins side of the family are melungeons and we come from southwestern Virginia. We have been here for over 300 years. I have a lot of information and stories that were written by my father before he died. It is all put away and never looked at anymore. we have a pretty colorful history with a lot of great stories.

[KushaDwipa]

Hi - Did you have any information on the relationship of your melungeon Mullins ifamily to the Mullins Huguenots (French Flemish) people who settled VA in the 1600s. According to the National Huguenot Society the name Mullins was originally Moulins which makes sense as I found the Jarret name of my ancestors was originally Jarrot and they also had French or Flemish names . These families must have formed the link between the melungeons and the so-called "black Dutch".

[skankspankr]

I'm interested in your Mulatto Mullins families, which GA counties were they in?

[KushaDwipa]

"I'm interested in your Mulatto Mullins families, which GA counties were they in?"

Was this in response to my post? My mulatto Mullins were in Harris County, GA.

[skankspankr]

Yes, I was responding to yor comment. This could be significan because so far, the only "mulatto" Mullins families Ive come across are the ones from Hancock Co, TN who were identified (by others) as Melungeons. There's a good chance that these families could be related. When does your Mullins ancestors first appear in that area? Thanks for the info!

[EastPointDrinker]

If you message Monasukapanough who has a comment on here he will tell you more about your ancestors zhurlyuk. If your ancestors are part of these melungeons then he will know. however the melungeons did not come into the ridge until the late 1700's to early 1800's. and they are based off of 3 surnames. Collins being the native american blood. Monasukapanough's name is the first recorded name for the Saponi. The guy is really smart.

[wkaster]

Our family isn't from Newman's Ridge...and that isn't the only place Melungeons have been proven to be. My family was first officially located in the Shenendoah Valley in the mid-1700's (Cornelius Bowman)...but they had probably been there long before that time. He and his family were often referred to as "Black Dutch" and some of them through the years were listed as "free colored". My family tree is littered with Melungeon names...Moore being the most prominent.

[wkaster]

Sorry, I'm zhuriyuk2. I accidentally used my husband's log-in.

[welchce]

Hey i know that lineage...we are related!

[skankspankr]

Melungeons DID NOT live "deep in the Appalachians" for "hundreds of years"! They came west with the white settlers, which can be proven by tracing families like Collins and Gibsons, Goins, etc. This film might be pretty good as long as they avoid the b.s. that has been fabricated over the years.

[Monasukapanough]

Yes....I've been able to trace the Collins ancestors to the early 1600's being in the Orange county Va area thru Mary Cave. I'm waiting to see this full film though and see where this one takes the whole thing. They have worked on this film several years.

[SilentSepia]

Everything American is WASP to your kind. Melungeons are descended from Spanish/Portuguese settlements throughout the southeast. The name Collins is Anglicized from Colinas and Mullins from Molinas. What of the stories of the Anglos and Ulster Irish coming across Christians with dark features and speaking Elizabethan English? What of the accounts of White Indians mining in The Smokies? What of the geneitcs that point to the Mediterranean Region?

[skankspankr]

Apparently, you know nothing of "my kind". ou must have watched The Heartland Series" yesterday, because everything you're saying came from that. But alot of it is innaccurate. The families that became Melungeons migrated from the eastern coasts, they HAVENT been in the mountains since Pardo' xpedition. Early accounts of Melungeons suggest their surnames were "borrowed from their white neighbors", There's no evidence that the people speaking Elizbethan English wre Melungeons, they may (cont'd)

[skankspankr]

have been ancestors of the Lumbee Indians of NC, who are only distantly related to Melungeons thru a few families. Ive never heard of mining in the Smokies, and I live in the region and am familer with my region's history. You're probably refering to the MYTH of the Swift Silver mines in KY. Which genetics are you refering to? Many "Melungeon" tests were done by and on people whose only Melungeon connection is in their heads an have no provable ancestry other then reading a surname on a list.

[SilentSepia]

How are they "distantly" related? There are old mines in The Smokies that date to 350 years old and are of European engineering. No, not the Swift Mines. There are many various forms of testing that have been conducted on Melungeons, especially those connecting diseases that originate in the Med. Sea area. And why so hateful towards those with Melungeon backgrounds and names? While the desire to disprove them? Are we trying to disprove your WASP background?

[skankspankr]

The links between the Lumbee and the Melungeons are likely thru the Goins and Bell families. I live 1 county from the Smokies, where are these mines? There's an old alum mine, but I dont think it was mined before the 1800s. Regardless, the families that became known as Melungeons were still in eastern VA and NC 350 years ago. There are no diseases that are specific to the Melungeons, thats a myth. My desire is for people to know FACTUAL information on Melungeons, as I'm a Melungeon myself.

[SilentSepia]

The term "Your Kind" is maybe a bit smart assed of me, but understand, there have been so much discrimination against Melungeons by the WASP majority that it amounts to hateful hate. And no on the episode of The Heartland Series, done alot of reading and searching. Can you prove that the Melungeons came from the coastal areas? Can you prove that they HAVEN"T been here for this period? Is there evidence proving that the Elizabethan speakers weren't Melungeons?

[skankspankr]

There is more misinformation on Melungeons (my "kind") than discrimination. There were Melungeons who owned huge tracts of land, voted, sued in court, etc. Vardy Collins is the perfect Melungeon prototype, and is refered to as the "Patriarch of the Melungeons". He was wealthy, owned land , ran an inn, and his family can be traced back to the mixed families around Louisa Co, VA. Same with the Gibsons, Bunches, Goinses, and the other families, they can be tracked thru land deeds, tax lists, etc.

[skankspankr]

The word "Melungeon" shows up in the Appalachians around the same time these families began moving there from the east, around 1800 or so. All early accounts give their family names; Collins, Gibson, Mullins, Bunch, Goins, Bolin, Goodman, and a few odd other names. These folks were in NC before 1800 and that can be easily proven by checking the records for certain counties; Wilkes/Ashe, NC; Orange, NC; Grayson, VA; Louisa, VA, also check out the history for Ft Christanna and Ft Blackmore

[SilentSepia]

Many WASP Mythologist are afraid of Catholic Christianity's presence here before the arrivial of the English. The Spanish did establish forts and settlements into Southern Appalachia. Melungeons are descended from the varuious ethnic groups within these settlements, the various Span/Port Christian Clans, the Sephardic Jews, the Moors, the Basques and the Arabs...these groups were within the SpanPort expeditions and settlers.

[skankspankr]

Why would they be afraid? I dont disagree that the Spanish had forts in the Appalachians. But if u trace the migrations of the KNOWN Melungeon families (of which there were relative few), you'll track them back to east VA, not the Appalachians. Alot of these families were already mixed in VA by the 1700s. Nobody would love 2 be able 2 prove "Portyghee" as much as me, but u cant accept these theories when the evidence leads to the contrary. The "Portyghee" likely didnt originate with Pardo.

[SilentSepia]

Why are you so wanting to discount what the Melungeons are learning of themselves? Does it go against the WASP histories? Against the established histories which aren't always accurate. Why are you against the Melungeon People? The WASP are not the only Children of God...we all are...everyone from every race and ethnic background. What are your feelings against the Melungeons? Race? Religion? WASP/American histories? I am not asking these things in a smartalec way? Just honestly asking?

[skankspankr]

Believe me, I'm not wanting to "discount" anything, I sincerely want people to know that alot of what is being spread about Melungeons has no basis in fact. I want to believe some of the farout tales myself, but it's all specualtion.What CAN be determined is that many of the Melungeon families came from the Saponi Indian tribe, and DNA testing does give indication that there is African blood among some families. Some Melungeons claimed "portyghee", which is documented on some censuses.

[skankspankr]

It's been only recently that certain authors have expanded the "Melungeon surname" base, with most family names NEVER having been considered Melungeon by anyone. Some families had been labeled "free colored" in certain areas, and it's not unreasonable to place then under an umbrella category of "Melungeon", but others have been included because they sound "Jewish", or because there was a native american in the family. There is NO proof offered of the myth that Lincoln and Elvis were Melungeons.

[skankspankr]

And I have nothing against ANY race or religion. Im sure all races, religions, etc want people to know the FACTS about their histories. Creating myths does NOTHING to honor a people's history. Check out the Melungeon Historical Society and their quest for factual information and research for Melungeon history. We need to strip away every preconcieved notion and start from scratch, from the known into the unknown. The history is quite fascinating, even WITHOUT the myths and embellishments. Peace.

[apacheCHRISTIANfaith]

God bless the Collins family.

[steph43130]

My grandfather have always said he was blackt dutch. For a long time I didnt know what black dutch was or where they came from. Thanks for posting the video and look forward to seeing more on this.

[berlinrelic]

Thanks for posting and keep researching.

Thomas Goins

[berlinrelic]

Can you tell me where I can get this film?