Another thing is, the affect the relationship with the father had on both boys. It's interesting that the older boy, Darren, was the more submissive character and Connor was the more dominate personality. I think it's because Darren, having been shaped into the person his father wanted him to be was never allowed to develop his own thoughts and feelings; whereas Connor was almost forced to figure out who he is. But, both had no one but each other that understood their father’s repression.
The sad message here is how an insensitive father and an emotionally removed mother can mess up their kids so badly. Both these boys had the same type of relationship with their father. But, the affects were different, yet exactly the same. The father didn't care about who either of his sons were really. But Darren had the physical aptitude, whereas Connor didn't. So, the boys had only each other as someone they felt truly cared about the real person that they were.
I mean, I'm see no issue with incest, as long as no defected babies are produced, and I think gay incest is hot as hell. But I would not be ok with some little kid getting seduced into sexual acts by some 50-year-old pedo who then doesn't even get punished for it because such things are "allowed." That's all I know. >_>
I am actually torn between " my god how beautiful and sad" and "bleeding, my eyes are bleeding" I mean the story is interesting the cinematography is pretty good, but I have a sister and from that point I just can't help but be silently screaming while watching this,may be I'm narrow minded. Still I think I like the movie though I don't think I would watch it again
You are being narrow-minded. You couldn't think of your sister in that way. Totally normal; most people never think of their siblings like that. But just because it's not the norm does not mean it's gross or wrong. Imagine if that philosophy were placed on everything. And who are you to pass out judgment of whom one can and cannot love, anyway? "Incest is disgusting" is ingrained into our collective mind just as "homosexuality is wrong" once was. The ancient idea needs to be buried.
@VampiricEmily Actually, I think it's natural to asexualize anyone you grow up with, it's an instinctive precausion. (That's why it's so hard to be attracted to a childhood friend). The only situation incest would be possible is when this instinct is turned off (due to some sort of sociopathy or whatever) or when the siblings didn't grow up together.
Then again, homosexuality doesn't lead to reproduction and it was proven in minor numbers natural. Has incest been observed among animals, too?
@AnkokuEvangeline I laugh when people say that... Isn't the whole point of being human to transcend the animals we look down on? (although I also would like to know... >.< but I'm aloud to since I think animals are better than us.)
Anyway, I don't think you'd have to be a sociopath to not asexualize a sibling. Just like how you can hate your mother, or love your kidnappers (stockholme)... I think it's all about circumstances.
Hating your parents is not unnatural at all; loving your kidnapper is a twisted, yet understandable process of living with and depending on only 1 person. But I can't imagine romance between siblings unless something went wrong in their social development.
However, with the many social "disorders" in modern society, I guess a certain percentage of incest could be expected!
I just don't think it's as natural as homosexuality -cue animal world.
@AnkokuEvangeline Its not really about whats natural as in NATURE (animals) It's about a feeling called love that is created by our brain. Now, when u look at psychology, there is the environment and the genetics. Now when you grow up with a person, you see her for what she is, all of her. You see her mistakes, her flaws, etc. Now if these things dont happen AND the 2 brothers (or sisters) are genetically a little bit more protective of theyr family, I don't see why it would be SO surprising.
@AnkokuEvangeline Let's not forget homosexuality was condemned an "abomination" in the bible, just like masturbation was, because in those days, procreation was extremely important. Now if you take into account the genetic malformation that can ensue with incest, its no wonder it has been SUCH a big taboo for years, but when you really think about it, if it can happen for 2 estranged brothers, I dont see why it couldnt happen with normal ones (desexualization being an occurance, not a law.)
@wikipou You can't generalize love as that "one thing created in your brain". There are so many kinds of love and like, with or without a sexual interest included. So, far incest seems about as plausible to me as a gay best friend going straight for his girlfriend.
Incest is definitely possible under special circumstances (the siblings didn't grow up together; the family is isolated from the rest of the world; the social growth in incomplete). Not naturally, like homosexuality, I think.
@AnkokuEvangeline I think we'll just have to agree to disagree, because thats where we clash: Is incest always caused by a disorder (nature or nurture) or can it occur naturally, in which case the reason why its not frequent is because of the stigma attached to it. I think its natural, you don't... Maybe one day we'll know, when we FINALLY understand human behavior completely. (fat chance...)
I try, but I have a hard time watching this movie completely openminded. Their love is very beautiful, but a little voice in my head keeps going "wrongwrongwrong".
Maybe it's because I grew up with 6 siblings, and the thought of loving any of them that way is really unpleasant.
Well, as long as I just pretend they're not brothers, I like it :D
I don't see the incest issue as being a complex one.
The taboo of incest had a biological imperative that was socially important....ie to prevent genetic defects within the limited pool ....the family.
I don't see that that could be an issue between two brothers who just loved each other.
We shouldn't impose a taboo which is not biologically necessary and try to justify it on the spurious ground of "morality".......no matter whose morality we are talking about.......Christian, Jewish, Islam
love is love, and if it´s two Male brothers i dont see what´s wrong, because the incest laws were onlly made to avoid bad ofsprings. But with two guys there will be no danger at all to have a child !!!. So between two male brothers it should be only considered Gay love.
To be honest I'm not really catching the drift of that incest thing. I've seen the entire video and I think the story is better than awesome (sad, but awesome). I just think it would a little better if the romance was between the two strangers (like high school buddies) instead of brothers. IDK, I am no movie critic. Either way I think the video is great!!
@marcofan101 that's exactly what it means!!!!! It might not be fair, that's life. Jesus I'm opened minded to a lot of things but sleeping with your immediate blood relative there is a line.
@justpassing2 Heres a question, is it truely wrong if its between two males? The whole law created agenst incest is to provent bad off spring. The goverment needs healthy off spring to run the future but if two males do it, theres not gonna be any off spring from them so doent that just become gay love? I agree on the law but does it fit for this?
@SuikodenOne i understand your point. i do. I'm sitting here being open minded challenging the idea of incest in the context of gay love..the gene science is not relevant in this instance. I'm left with morals. Maybe it's an archaic view in your eyes or maybe you're sparking debate, but imo there is a line. However for a film to explore this I think is an interesting albeit unsettling topic.
I say, who I am to judge. I can have a critic opinion, but that doesn´t mean that I can say incest is good or wrong, or even if it fits into the right or wrong concept... Sometimes I think we just over classify life and are more concern about others than ourselves. Just a tought
Ok it's obvious that the father has a brain damage... but what about the mother??? She's just sitting there without caring about her kids???? Isn't anyone seeing that?
@niloupen Didn't the actor playing the dad previously star in a daytime soap where he played Kelly? It was either "Guiding Light" or "As the World Turns."
maybe it has less to do with brain damage and more to do with him living in a completely homophobic society that places fierce masculinity on a pedestal and degrades any form of "weakness"
@apexpark yes u're right. But people like u describe... they're the ones with "weakness" & most probably this "weakness" is in their minds. And again I'm coming to the mother. I can't believe her!!! She's just sitting there. If my husband was treating our kids like that (for whatever reason he had in his mind), he would be the one thrown in the pool with something heavy holding his feet. Don't get me wrong, I do love my husband very much... but treating the kids like that... it's unacceptable!!!
yeaa okay i mean.. its a little .. different but i know wat the dad means. who wants their kid to be gay let alone sleepin with his brother. BUT I really love this movie its very well done.
@navigator18 It's not immorality that leads to there death, it is the world veiw on anything considered different or out of the norm, by loving each other who did they really hurt? No one
@ericnfan no they shouldnt nobody should ever feel like they should resist their love just bc they happend to be in the same family. Bc resisting love will only cause heartache and sadness.
@marcofan101 that is exactly the point that they are in the same family. I hated that they drowned themselves in the pool when I saw the whole movie on dailymotion but just saying that when their love happened it just took things to a whole another level and they just hurt those around them as well.
@ericnfan well what were they supposed to do. Just act like those feelings werent there. See each other every day knowing tht they cant be toghter. And so what if there love hurt others. The only reason it did was bc they couldnt just let them be toghter. And tht is why they killed themselves bc at least they could be toghter in death.
@ericnfan Why not act on them? Are they suppose to just give up on true love just bc they happend to be brothers? That doesnt seem fair. Its not their fault that their soul mate happend to be their brother.
@carinalillithkell, yes, but only for adults, and only if tremendous safeguards against reproduction are in place. In this case, reproduction is not an issue, LOL.
this was a simply amazing movie...in that 12mins and 40 secs it seemed to be such a full story with closure...even alot of 2 hour long movies seem o not be full and leave alot out in the open,,,i hope to see more from that director
Another thing is, the affect the relationship with the father had on both boys. It's interesting that the older boy, Darren, was the more submissive character and Connor was the more dominate personality. I think it's because Darren, having been shaped into the person his father wanted him to be was never allowed to develop his own thoughts and feelings; whereas Connor was almost forced to figure out who he is. But, both had no one but each other that understood their father’s repression.
LightGirl0 2 months ago
The sad message here is how an insensitive father and an emotionally removed mother can mess up their kids so badly. Both these boys had the same type of relationship with their father. But, the affects were different, yet exactly the same. The father didn't care about who either of his sons were really. But Darren had the physical aptitude, whereas Connor didn't. So, the boys had only each other as someone they felt truly cared about the real person that they were.
LightGirl0 2 months ago
If that was my husband, and he nearly let one of our children drown, he'd cop the sharp side of my tongue and he'd be my ex-husband within the week.
immoralq 5 months ago
That dad is a prick
VelvetRope1992 7 months ago
I hate that I love this short film, it breaks my heart to see star-crossed lovers,
lordart9 7 months ago
I think that sex should be allowed between anyone at any age....
sodimite 1 year ago
@sodimite
ANYone? ANY age? O_O You serious?
I mean, I'm see no issue with incest, as long as no defected babies are produced, and I think gay incest is hot as hell. But I would not be ok with some little kid getting seduced into sexual acts by some 50-year-old pedo who then doesn't even get punished for it because such things are "allowed." That's all I know. >_>
VampiricEmily 1 year ago 2
tbh i thing homosexual inces isnt that bad coz there arn't gonna be any kids produced...
awogar 1 year ago
Incest is wrong,, and just is not right!
rainbow93able 1 year ago
well sweden IS looking forward to legalise incest so..... :S
bhimz2 1 year ago
What a fuck?
The dad's an stupid motherfucker homophobic straight.
CRAZYCRASH84 1 year ago
I am actually torn between " my god how beautiful and sad" and "bleeding, my eyes are bleeding" I mean the story is interesting the cinematography is pretty good, but I have a sister and from that point I just can't help but be silently screaming while watching this,may be I'm narrow minded. Still I think I like the movie though I don't think I would watch it again
naniro1616 1 year ago
@naniro1616
You are being narrow-minded. You couldn't think of your sister in that way. Totally normal; most people never think of their siblings like that. But just because it's not the norm does not mean it's gross or wrong. Imagine if that philosophy were placed on everything. And who are you to pass out judgment of whom one can and cannot love, anyway? "Incest is disgusting" is ingrained into our collective mind just as "homosexuality is wrong" once was. The ancient idea needs to be buried.
VampiricEmily 1 year ago
@VampiricEmily Actually, I think it's natural to asexualize anyone you grow up with, it's an instinctive precausion. (That's why it's so hard to be attracted to a childhood friend). The only situation incest would be possible is when this instinct is turned off (due to some sort of sociopathy or whatever) or when the siblings didn't grow up together.
Then again, homosexuality doesn't lead to reproduction and it was proven in minor numbers natural. Has incest been observed among animals, too?
AnkokuEvangeline 9 months ago
@AnkokuEvangeline I laugh when people say that... Isn't the whole point of being human to transcend the animals we look down on? (although I also would like to know... >.< but I'm aloud to since I think animals are better than us.)
Anyway, I don't think you'd have to be a sociopath to not asexualize a sibling. Just like how you can hate your mother, or love your kidnappers (stockholme)... I think it's all about circumstances.
wikipou 9 months ago
@wikipou Man, I'm still not sure about that one.
Hating your parents is not unnatural at all; loving your kidnapper is a twisted, yet understandable process of living with and depending on only 1 person. But I can't imagine romance between siblings unless something went wrong in their social development.
However, with the many social "disorders" in modern society, I guess a certain percentage of incest could be expected!
I just don't think it's as natural as homosexuality -cue animal world.
AnkokuEvangeline 9 months ago
@AnkokuEvangeline Its not really about whats natural as in NATURE (animals) It's about a feeling called love that is created by our brain. Now, when u look at psychology, there is the environment and the genetics. Now when you grow up with a person, you see her for what she is, all of her. You see her mistakes, her flaws, etc. Now if these things dont happen AND the 2 brothers (or sisters) are genetically a little bit more protective of theyr family, I don't see why it would be SO surprising.
wikipou 9 months ago
@AnkokuEvangeline Let's not forget homosexuality was condemned an "abomination" in the bible, just like masturbation was, because in those days, procreation was extremely important. Now if you take into account the genetic malformation that can ensue with incest, its no wonder it has been SUCH a big taboo for years, but when you really think about it, if it can happen for 2 estranged brothers, I dont see why it couldnt happen with normal ones (desexualization being an occurance, not a law.)
wikipou 9 months ago
@wikipou You can't generalize love as that "one thing created in your brain". There are so many kinds of love and like, with or without a sexual interest included. So, far incest seems about as plausible to me as a gay best friend going straight for his girlfriend.
Incest is definitely possible under special circumstances (the siblings didn't grow up together; the family is isolated from the rest of the world; the social growth in incomplete). Not naturally, like homosexuality, I think.
AnkokuEvangeline 9 months ago
@AnkokuEvangeline I think we'll just have to agree to disagree, because thats where we clash: Is incest always caused by a disorder (nature or nurture) or can it occur naturally, in which case the reason why its not frequent is because of the stigma attached to it. I think its natural, you don't... Maybe one day we'll know, when we FINALLY understand human behavior completely. (fat chance...)
wikipou 8 months ago
alguien q pueda decirme en que pagina puedo descargar esta peli....starcrossed....plis
kapo84100 1 year ago
I try, but I have a hard time watching this movie completely openminded. Their love is very beautiful, but a little voice in my head keeps going "wrongwrongwrong".
Maybe it's because I grew up with 6 siblings, and the thought of loving any of them that way is really unpleasant.
Well, as long as I just pretend they're not brothers, I like it :D
TrinneLovesAll13 1 year ago
i am single and looking for a friend with benefits. 18 and under only plz i am 16.
JMitchell1994 1 year ago
I don't see the incest issue as being a complex one.
The taboo of incest had a biological imperative that was socially important....ie to prevent genetic defects within the limited pool ....the family.
I don't see that that could be an issue between two brothers who just loved each other.
We shouldn't impose a taboo which is not biologically necessary and try to justify it on the spurious ground of "morality".......no matter whose morality we are talking about.......Christian, Jewish, Islam
JackFknTwist1 1 year ago
Dads are almost always portrayed negatively in the media.
It is sad that boys are valued to some extent, but in a few short years they will be treated as scum (as all men are).
proudguy 1 year ago
And its a very sad and tragic story
astrogay220 1 year ago
love is love, and if it´s two Male brothers i dont see what´s wrong, because the incest laws were onlly made to avoid bad ofsprings. But with two guys there will be no danger at all to have a child !!!. So between two male brothers it should be only considered Gay love.
astrogay220 1 year ago
John and edward, incest. A true story.
moila04 1 year ago
@moila04
LOL. No love is greater than the love between John and Edward. <3
PlanetJADEwardx 1 year ago 2
@moila04 pahaha :') jedcester?
RachelleVictoria 1 year ago
dad: go fuck yor self!
donutopo22 1 year ago
To be honest I'm not really catching the drift of that incest thing. I've seen the entire video and I think the story is better than awesome (sad, but awesome). I just think it would a little better if the romance was between the two strangers (like high school buddies) instead of brothers. IDK, I am no movie critic. Either way I think the video is great!!
kofalander 1 year ago
@kofalander yeah, i think i'd have prefered it if they weren't related.
creamcrackable 1 year ago
where can I get this movie?!?!?!?!
Blockbuster, Ebay, Amazon & Kijiji don't sell these movies :(
I wanna get this movie so bad Dx
ct3gct3g 1 year ago
WOW ;)
urioo93 1 year ago
where can i wacth this video,,,somebody can sendthe link...? freezy_010989@yahoo.com
09105508586 1 year ago
yo it's dawson's dad
shorts 1 year ago
At 1:40 the dad looks kinda like Mel Gibson :D
merchin0made0easy 1 year ago
GRRRREEEAAAATTTT. Movie Thanks
jjayi3 1 year ago
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AHHH! It's LJ from Prison Break! YES! I love Marshall Allman!!! I'm totally gonna watch this.
Xiabuse 1 year ago
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Xiabuse 1 year ago
The song at the end is part of the score.
underthemoon 1 year ago
Anyone know what the song at the end of this film is? That'd be great if someone would enlighten me.
jollyroger613 1 year ago
@marcofan101 that's exactly what it means!!!!! It might not be fair, that's life. Jesus I'm opened minded to a lot of things but sleeping with your immediate blood relative there is a line.
justpassing2 1 year ago
@justpassing2 Heres a question, is it truely wrong if its between two males? The whole law created agenst incest is to provent bad off spring. The goverment needs healthy off spring to run the future but if two males do it, theres not gonna be any off spring from them so doent that just become gay love? I agree on the law but does it fit for this?
SuikodenOne 1 year ago 2
@SuikodenOne i understand your point. i do. I'm sitting here being open minded challenging the idea of incest in the context of gay love..the gene science is not relevant in this instance. I'm left with morals. Maybe it's an archaic view in your eyes or maybe you're sparking debate, but imo there is a line. However for a film to explore this I think is an interesting albeit unsettling topic.
justpassing2 1 year ago
I say, who I am to judge. I can have a critic opinion, but that doesn´t mean that I can say incest is good or wrong, or even if it fits into the right or wrong concept... Sometimes I think we just over classify life and are more concern about others than ourselves. Just a tought
traxas13 1 year ago
I simply LOVE this film! *-*
lapikkolaemo 1 year ago
SAMMY CASE!!!!!!
BerserkJheova 1 year ago
Incest is not a good idea, look what it did for Mr. & Mrs. Menendez...
spreadeagle311 1 year ago
dad's a BIG SON OF A BITCH!
albertobiondani 1 year ago
Another good movie is "The Great Santini" with Robert Duval. He's a real ass hole!
rudedogii 1 year ago
I know a guy that treated all his boys like that. The oldest got heavy into drugs and acohol. I remember how he taught his boys not to cry! So sad!
rudedogii 1 year ago
Ok it's obvious that the father has a brain damage... but what about the mother??? She's just sitting there without caring about her kids???? Isn't anyone seeing that?
niloupen 1 year ago 15
@niloupen Didn't the actor playing the dad previously star in a daytime soap where he played Kelly? It was either "Guiding Light" or "As the World Turns."
stillwaterguy04 1 year ago
@stillwaterguy04... sorry I'm living in Greece... I have absolutely no idea of the soaps in US... Take care :)
niloupen 1 year ago
maybe it has less to do with brain damage and more to do with him living in a completely homophobic society that places fierce masculinity on a pedestal and degrades any form of "weakness"
apexpark 1 year ago
@apexpark yes u're right. But people like u describe... they're the ones with "weakness" & most probably this "weakness" is in their minds. And again I'm coming to the mother. I can't believe her!!! She's just sitting there. If my husband was treating our kids like that (for whatever reason he had in his mind), he would be the one thrown in the pool with something heavy holding his feet. Don't get me wrong, I do love my husband very much... but treating the kids like that... it's unacceptable!!!
niloupen 1 year ago
He can help himself...?R you fucking blind?No, he can't you dumb fuck.
psych3577 2 years ago 3
is it true your parents are brother and sister..lol.
Hgram101 2 years ago
I don't care if it's incest, the father is so hateful he doesn't deserve to have kids!
EdM021 2 years ago 19
I so thought the same thing
benefit1984 2 years ago
If i have a father like that, I'll snip his balls and spear his asshole
alfidino 2 years ago 10
God the dad's an ass!!
Anyone know where I can watch/download this?
DHPdA 2 years ago 7
i agree.
Hgram101 2 years ago
This film is just a diversion by Major west to make us all forget about the Digam fiasco.
LibertineLover07 2 years ago
Where can I find this Movie? I have Netflix but I can't find it on there!
fuckboy23 2 years ago
how do i purchase this DVD ?????? anybody?
gorgporgie 2 years ago
yeaa okay i mean.. its a little .. different but i know wat the dad means. who wants their kid to be gay let alone sleepin with his brother. BUT I really love this movie its very well done.
JVCHollister 2 years ago
..wow watta story
..they are very intimated
..their intimacy is beyong the limit of a brothers
..their great intimacy drives them to immorality
..their immorality leads them to death
..goshhh!!
navigator18 2 years ago
@navigator18 It's not immorality that leads to there death, it is the world veiw on anything considered different or out of the norm, by loving each other who did they really hurt? No one
gueerfucker 1 year ago
i want this moviee
AnaRCMoreira 2 years ago
It's about love, not incest! Very nice, but tragedy, movie.
tomas106 2 years ago 7
Holy shit is that Dawson's dad?!
jcarrera13 3 years ago 8
Haha, he sure is! I just noticed that. =0
ilj007 2 years ago
Fuck what anyone else says! That is beautiful adn I think it looks like it'd be a real good movie. Great job!
QueenKuehn 3 years ago 14
ew, the Dad is such an asshole
Mana 3 years ago 16
en este video hay una cancion que es de allisa es una cantante arabe como se llama la cancion quien pueda responderme ????'
elcaballerohidalgo 3 years ago
Dad's an asshole.
davidls11 3 years ago 75
@davidls11 this comment made me laugh....alot XD
TaeminSarangX 7 months ago
@TaeminSarangX Thank you. I try.
davidls11 7 months ago
Does anyone besides me agree with mutual incest?
carinalillithkell 3 years ago 111
Well, it is MUTUAL. So agreed.
kiwilovespete 3 years ago 16
@carinalillithkell I do I believe love is blind to gender, race, religon, and yes blood. U cant help who u fall in love with
marcofan101 1 year ago
@marcofan101 I think you can't help who you fall in love with to a certain extent but when it comes to blood people should really resist that.
ericnfan 1 year ago
@ericnfan no they shouldnt nobody should ever feel like they should resist their love just bc they happend to be in the same family. Bc resisting love will only cause heartache and sadness.
marcofan101 1 year ago
@marcofan101 that is exactly the point that they are in the same family. I hated that they drowned themselves in the pool when I saw the whole movie on dailymotion but just saying that when their love happened it just took things to a whole another level and they just hurt those around them as well.
ericnfan 1 year ago
@ericnfan well what were they supposed to do. Just act like those feelings werent there. See each other every day knowing tht they cant be toghter. And so what if there love hurt others. The only reason it did was bc they couldnt just let them be toghter. And tht is why they killed themselves bc at least they could be toghter in death.
marcofan101 1 year ago
@marcofan101 yes they knew the feelings were there but not act upon them. we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this topic.
ericnfan 1 year ago
@ericnfan Why not act on them? Are they suppose to just give up on true love just bc they happend to be brothers? That doesnt seem fair. Its not their fault that their soul mate happend to be their brother.
marcofan101 1 year ago
@carinalillithkell, yes, but only for adults, and only if tremendous safeguards against reproduction are in place. In this case, reproduction is not an issue, LOL.
stillwaterguy04 1 year ago
@carinalillithkell I see nothing wrong with it as long as 'precautions' are taken.
davidls11 7 months ago
omg marshall allman how he want this ?! O_O DFGDFLGÖFGHFDGHGJHG
marshallallmanmybabe 3 years ago 4
where can i get it?
how long is it?
gpy159 3 years ago 3
its about 14 min. long
alittlehorse 3 years ago
Buenisimo.
EymardVivas 3 years ago
this was a simply amazing movie...in that 12mins and 40 secs it seemed to be such a full story with closure...even alot of 2 hour long movies seem o not be full and leave alot out in the open,,,i hope to see more from that director
purplemist123 3 years ago 11
Where can I watch it?
riku14 3 years ago 6
Marshall Allman & JB Ghuman in a story of incest. from James Burkehammer.
power-up(dot)net/dvd3(dot)htm
POWERUPFILMS 3 years ago 3
i want more :(......... plz
Aussiedoll1 3 years ago 6
lol.yeah it should
chickenhead411 3 years ago 3
totally
BlueBunny84 3 years ago
diso esta genial y triste
zafiroazul16 3 years ago
this needs to be made into a feature!
carterscoolbreeze 3 years ago 11
i totally agree with you on that
alittlehorse 3 years ago