The comments trashing Brahms are absurd. Personal tastes aside, Rott, though a talented and skilled composer, did not measure up to Mahler, or, of course, Brahms. Experienced and knowledgeable ears have only to listen to know this, as countless numbers will agree. Historically, there are other, more-deserving-of-greater-success composers which can be heard.
Astounding. No wonder Mahler's own mother chided him when he told her he had won a prize for composition. She is said to have told him, "Rott's work is better." He went on to prove his worth, but it shows the feelings at the time. On a completely unrelated note, does Rott remind anyone of a young James Cagney. LOL
It's unfair to make comparisons with Mahler, since the latter wrote his symphonies when he was older and better conditioned (from opera conducting) to channel the dramatic element of the symphony. But there are echoes of this piece in Mahler--in Symphonies 1, 2 (especially scherzo and finale), and up through at least the 5th Symphony. At the very least, Rott's music was an important influence, or maybe a kind of companion.
About the Brahms thing, unfortunately that's often a typical kind of relationship between composers. Not all artists get along, you know. Don't knock Brahms entirely, he was a genius too. Rott just didn't have the right people in his life at the right time to give him what he needed. Many composers suffered at the hands of authorities or other colleagues - Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Schumann, Tchaikovsky, many others - but they had the right people at the right time. We need to celebrate them all.
It's tough to find an hour of free time after marriage and kids but just got thru the whole performance with minimal interruptions this AM. I love the recording. Bravo! You bet your azz I'll get the best seats to hear this live if it comes within driving distance. I might even have to make it a family vacation if I have fly. My favorite symphonists are Bruckner and Mahler, and I truly feel at home with Rott. Anyone know any upcoming concerts?
Holy crap, I can't believe this is on YT, actually never searched before. It perfectly connects Bruckner to Mahler. I bought the Weigle/Munchner recording many years ago. 1st mvt reminds me of Schubert's 9th--a gorgeous melody grabs you right from the beginning. How beautiful is that theme?! The 2nd mvt really does overwhelm. The 3rd mvt sounds disturbingly like Mahler who completed his 1st sym 8-10 years later. This will part of the standard repertoire in a generation.
AS someone who writes music outside academic circles and recent to it - about 7 or 8 years of serious study of composition (though played and wrote music since I was a kid) what Rott went thru is more prevalent than many think.
Finally the blame goes broadly to the whole European tradition of treating composition as something for only experts and "gifted" - I think those cultures who see music making as a necessary part of being human as far healthier.
still love it. the more i listen to it. it is 10^1000 better than anything brahms wrote. brahms is shite. i have thrown all his cd's i have (20) away. he was a fucking cunting prick. HE RUINED THIS MANS MIND, AND THIS MAN WAS A TRUE GENIUS. END OF THE STORY.
I keep returning to this symphony like a Mahler or Bruckner. Brahm's I am afraid was not. Please someone challenge me on this. YOU CAN'T.
@simeyD Sure I can... I return to Brahms' works all the time, as do many other people. A lot of composers were douchebags in some way or other. Think of Wagner and Jews, or Beethoven and women. They still wrote some damn fine music.
After analysing the score for this symphony I feel even more enraged at the individuals who had the temerity to deride this score. As a 1st symphony I feel it has no equal.
Fuck fat Richter & Brahm's.
What a tragic loss. He could have changed & developed the late romantic style even further than Mahler (even though I worship Him).
..wirklich schade daß dieser geniale junge Mann mit 25 gestorben ist....so jung und so eine geniale Symphony zu komponieren, was hätte der noch alles schaffen können.....
The same could be said of another fat prick: Hans Von Bulow. What would have happened if, when giving his opinion of Mahler's Totenfeier (if that's music then I know nothing about music!!), and Mahler was as neurotically insane as Rott; then one could conjecture that he could have nearly have made Mahler write no more. These guys with power & no thought for the progression of music into the 20th century could have ruined it all, like stepping on a damp squib.
What really PISSES me off is FUCKING Brahms. The guy was a judgmental twat. Can you compare this music to his 1st. NO FUCKING WAY.(Oh, I felt I had to tread in the great man's (sic) footsteps)) Beethoven.
He was against the new late romantic style, totally. And by God anything to do with the revered Bruckner; either his student's works (Mahler, Rott et al) or the masters music Himself was music he totally loathed.
He was indeed. While Spohr was showing Brahms some of his new works and what he thought, Brahms complimented him on his manuscript paper and asked where he could buy it.
Also, a young Wolf showed some songs to Brahms and asked if he would just put a cross where he thought the mistakes were. Brahms declined saying that the manuscript would look like a cemetery.
I deeply appreciate your reverent and superbly written tribute to Maestro Rott. Both Mahler & Bruckner were correct about this composer's genius. What a magnificent piece of art. BLESS YOU for posting it and especially for the Rott tribute. Lady Karma will reward you, I have no doubt...
...eine neue Begegnung: Mahler's Bewertung im Hinblick auf die Entwicklung des musikalischen Schaffens zu Beginn des 20. Jahrhunderts wird nun wohl - mit der Entdeckung der 1880 entstandenen Sinfonie von Hans Rott - revidiert werden müssen. Mahler vermied es, diese Sinfonie zu veröffentlichen - da er u.U. als Plagiator durchschaut worden wäre... so what !
@1bateleur Thank you. Yes, the score is sold on the website of the publisher Ries & Erler. YouTube doesn't allow links in comments, so I'll send you a link in a private message.
The comments trashing Brahms are absurd. Personal tastes aside, Rott, though a talented and skilled composer, did not measure up to Mahler, or, of course, Brahms. Experienced and knowledgeable ears have only to listen to know this, as countless numbers will agree. Historically, there are other, more-deserving-of-greater-success composers which can be heard.
SiegfriedHorner 1 week ago
Astounding. No wonder Mahler's own mother chided him when he told her he had won a prize for composition. She is said to have told him, "Rott's work is better." He went on to prove his worth, but it shows the feelings at the time. On a completely unrelated note, does Rott remind anyone of a young James Cagney. LOL
jgesselberty 2 weeks ago
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At least master Bruckner seems to have appreciated Rott´s talent :)
Fritzike 3 weeks ago
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Fritzike 3 weeks ago
It's unfair to make comparisons with Mahler, since the latter wrote his symphonies when he was older and better conditioned (from opera conducting) to channel the dramatic element of the symphony. But there are echoes of this piece in Mahler--in Symphonies 1, 2 (especially scherzo and finale), and up through at least the 5th Symphony. At the very least, Rott's music was an important influence, or maybe a kind of companion.
lovettboston 1 month ago
About the Brahms thing, unfortunately that's often a typical kind of relationship between composers. Not all artists get along, you know. Don't knock Brahms entirely, he was a genius too. Rott just didn't have the right people in his life at the right time to give him what he needed. Many composers suffered at the hands of authorities or other colleagues - Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Schumann, Tchaikovsky, many others - but they had the right people at the right time. We need to celebrate them all.
Vanderflash 2 months ago 3
It's tough to find an hour of free time after marriage and kids but just got thru the whole performance with minimal interruptions this AM. I love the recording. Bravo! You bet your azz I'll get the best seats to hear this live if it comes within driving distance. I might even have to make it a family vacation if I have fly. My favorite symphonists are Bruckner and Mahler, and I truly feel at home with Rott. Anyone know any upcoming concerts?
auerod 3 months ago
@auerod Such a shame Rott didn't go on to write more... Damn Brahms. Where do you live? I might know of some upcoming concerts.
Dan474834 2 months ago
Holy crap, I can't believe this is on YT, actually never searched before. It perfectly connects Bruckner to Mahler. I bought the Weigle/Munchner recording many years ago. 1st mvt reminds me of Schubert's 9th--a gorgeous melody grabs you right from the beginning. How beautiful is that theme?! The 2nd mvt really does overwhelm. The 3rd mvt sounds disturbingly like Mahler who completed his 1st sym 8-10 years later. This will part of the standard repertoire in a generation.
auerod 3 months ago
Why does this only have 3000 views? It is such a masterpiece. The second movement is just overwhelming.
Dan474834 3 months ago
AS someone who writes music outside academic circles and recent to it - about 7 or 8 years of serious study of composition (though played and wrote music since I was a kid) what Rott went thru is more prevalent than many think.
Finally the blame goes broadly to the whole European tradition of treating composition as something for only experts and "gifted" - I think those cultures who see music making as a necessary part of being human as far healthier.
alphabet661 4 months ago
Ich tue es.
simeyD 4 months ago
still love it. the more i listen to it. it is 10^1000 better than anything brahms wrote. brahms is shite. i have thrown all his cd's i have (20) away. he was a fucking cunting prick. HE RUINED THIS MANS MIND, AND THIS MAN WAS A TRUE GENIUS. END OF THE STORY.
I keep returning to this symphony like a Mahler or Bruckner. Brahm's I am afraid was not. Please someone challenge me on this. YOU CAN'T.
simeyD 4 months ago 6
@simeyD
Ha ha, couldn't agree more!!
And here's what Tchaikovsky thought:
"What an ungifted swine! It angers me that this conceited mediocrity is regarded as a genius."
boxers7x5 3 months ago
@simeyD Sure I can... I return to Brahms' works all the time, as do many other people. A lot of composers were douchebags in some way or other. Think of Wagner and Jews, or Beethoven and women. They still wrote some damn fine music.
AKDiamond157 3 weeks ago
After analysing the score for this symphony I feel even more enraged at the individuals who had the temerity to deride this score. As a 1st symphony I feel it has no equal.
Fuck fat Richter & Brahm's.
What a tragic loss. He could have changed & developed the late romantic style even further than Mahler (even though I worship Him).
Just pissed off. Sorry.
simeyD 5 months ago 2
..wirklich schade daß dieser geniale junge Mann mit 25 gestorben ist....so jung und so eine geniale Symphony zu komponieren, was hätte der noch alles schaffen können.....
ChrissysVideokids 5 months ago
@ChrissysVideokids write in the universal please. even though i speak German.
simeyD 4 months ago
@simeyD Ele pode escrever na linguagem que quiser, amigo!
josearcanjof 4 months ago
SORRY.
simeyD 4 months ago
The same could be said of another fat prick: Hans Von Bulow. What would have happened if, when giving his opinion of Mahler's Totenfeier (if that's music then I know nothing about music!!), and Mahler was as neurotically insane as Rott; then one could conjecture that he could have nearly have made Mahler write no more. These guys with power & no thought for the progression of music into the 20th century could have ruined it all, like stepping on a damp squib.
simeyD 5 months ago 2
What really PISSES me off is FUCKING Brahms. The guy was a judgmental twat. Can you compare this music to his 1st. NO FUCKING WAY.(Oh, I felt I had to tread in the great man's (sic) footsteps)) Beethoven.
He was against the new late romantic style, totally. And by God anything to do with the revered Bruckner; either his student's works (Mahler, Rott et al) or the masters music Himself was music he totally loathed.
simeyD 5 months ago
@simeyD
He was indeed. While Spohr was showing Brahms some of his new works and what he thought, Brahms complimented him on his manuscript paper and asked where he could buy it.
Also, a young Wolf showed some songs to Brahms and asked if he would just put a cross where he thought the mistakes were. Brahms declined saying that the manuscript would look like a cemetery.
boxers7x5 3 months ago
@simeyD And people wonder why Brahms was a life-long Bachelor! Ha!
TMRonin85 2 months ago
I deeply appreciate your reverent and superbly written tribute to Maestro Rott. Both Mahler & Bruckner were correct about this composer's genius. What a magnificent piece of art. BLESS YOU for posting it and especially for the Rott tribute. Lady Karma will reward you, I have no doubt...
offyougonow1007 6 months ago
...eine neue Begegnung: Mahler's Bewertung im Hinblick auf die Entwicklung des musikalischen Schaffens zu Beginn des 20. Jahrhunderts wird nun wohl - mit der Entdeckung der 1880 entstandenen Sinfonie von Hans Rott - revidiert werden müssen. Mahler vermied es, diese Sinfonie zu veröffentlichen - da er u.U. als Plagiator durchschaut worden wäre... so what !
GERICHLOH 6 months ago
Magnificent
jjrichey 7 months ago
So sad how one unjustified critical comment (read ext. info!) can destroy a young human being.
Thanks for posting this magnificent Symphony in full length!
mmbmbmbmb 7 months ago
a wonder! all your channel is excellent! do you know where the score can be found?
1bateleur 8 months ago
@1bateleur Thank you. Yes, the score is sold on the website of the publisher Ries & Erler. YouTube doesn't allow links in comments, so I'll send you a link in a private message.
musicanth 8 months ago
great
goodmanmusica 9 months ago