The bass parts are actually played on foot by Hackett ( first half) then Rutherford ( this section) so Tony's hands were free to play this. Moog Taurus Bass Pedals to be exact.Genesis are like Shakespear! Always discovering something new about them! Thank you for this post by the way!
Hi, the Mellotron is a M400, the most common version. The sound is a mixed choir (4 female singers and 4 male singers in unisono...). Greetings and thanks for your nice comment!
Excellent work,as an avid oz fan of Genesis and all their music,its great that there is people like you(and i)who believe in the sheer beauty of this music and who take the time and effort to,not only listen and appreciate,but also learn and record their passion.Well done.
ps(im being picky here)any chance of more sustain on the mellotron chords to create that incredible cross over effect that Banks gets,or was that a bit of studio magic?
The question about the sustain... The Mellotron sound immediatly stops when you lift your fingers from the keys. But (often) a big reverb effect is part of the sound, whether live or on studio recordings. So did I. It's important to get a reverb that is not to long, otherwise the chords will get muddy and blend to much. When playing the chords with just one hand it is not so easy to get a nice legato. On one hand the Mellotron keyboard is remarkable stiff, on the other...
...I recorded it directly after finding out the chords and the right voicings. I could have rehearsed it much longer to get a better legato playing with the left hand, but I didn't and also the issue with the keyboard. I'am asking myself of Tony Banks has recorded it with both hands, which makes legato much easier (on multitracking recording you generally record every track/instrument separate). Otherwise on live recordings he had just one hand. Does it sound different live? Have to listen again
Excellent. A real Mellotron. Must be ancient! I heard...but I'm not sure that Tony Banks actually had two mellotrons, the other a mirror image of the other one so that the two "keyboards" were next to each other as if it made "one" instrument. Does any Genisis fans know of that, or is it just my imagination getting the better of me?
@Vamp1963 — well, sorry, I have no tabs, it's just played by ear, as good as possible. I wouldn't say that these chords & inversions are exactly the same as played by Genesis. Its somewhere in the middle what I am able to find out from the record and able to play on guitar ;-))
What can I say? I haven't listened to this track in years. I've always loved the sound produced by the mellotron and this rendition of "Entangled" almost brought tears to my eyes. The other-worldly choir produced by the mellotron just can't be matched by anything else and your playing is fantastic. Thanks.
I used the same synthesizer as for the solo-voice. Just another sound, recorded on another track, later. Like the guitars (OK, them before all keyboard tracks).
lovely song...steve hackett said that the final section of entangled has been inspired by the classical music: the synth is the female singer, the mellotron is the choir.
Well played! you lucky, you have a mellotron...i've only emulators :(
Well, that's a good comparison ;-) Even that all the singers in a choir have not the same opinion or are all in tune... like my Mellotron this evening ;-) They are very human, far from modern instruments. That's why I love them (the mellotrons), that's why I am sometimes a bit scared what will happening next... The synth as the solo vocalist is absolutly true! Well done, Tony Banks!!!
Ganz grossartig! Jeder Ton sitzt. Und das Mellotron - wie bereits im anderen Kommentar geschrieben - zieht Dir nach wie vor die Schuhe aus. Ich frage mich noch heute (nach vielen Jahren Genesis-Leidenschaft) wieso Banks nicht die alte Kiste mit auf die Bühne nahm, sondern sie nur durch minderwertige gesampelte Klänge ersetzte. Es gibt übrigens kein Sample, das den Anschlag richtig hinbekommt. Und jetzt die Frage: Wie viel muss man für die Originalteil eigentlich hinlegen?
Tony Banks hat immer mal wieder in Interviews gesagt, das er den Sound gut findet, aber das Instrument haßt. Wegen chronischer Unzuverlässigkeit. Nun gut, er hat es ja lange genug live benutzt und wie in den 70ern üblich, sich wahrscheinlich nicht sehr um das Instrument gekümmert. Klavier ohne regelmäßige Stimmung ist auch keine gute Idee... Aber deswegen nur noch gesampelte Klaviere zu verwenden...? Wäre ja arg übertrieben. Und ich gebe dir vollkommen recht...
...ich habe noch kein wirklich gutes Sample gehört. Na ja, mein Mellotron ist aber auch in recht gutem Zustand (ohne das ich viel dran mache...) und echt zuverlässig. Was wichtig ist (und manche nicht beachten): bei einigen Sounds klingen nicht alle Voicing so richtig gut. Man muss ein bischen ausprobieren was geht, und was nicht. Die Violinen klingen z.B. beim Cis irgendwie leicht schräg. Das gehört aber irgendwie dazu. Ist halt nicht 100% superpräzise damals aufgenommen worden.
ich hab 1996 dafür 3300 DM bezahlt. Unter 2000 Euro bekommt man wohl kein Mellotron. Aber die werden sowieso nur selten mal bei ebay und co angeboten. Es gibt aber neu produzierte, in Stockholm (Mk IV) so für ca. 4500 Euro und in England (M 4000 — mit 24 Sounds!!!) für knapp 5500 oder 6000 Euros... aber mit langer Wartezeit.
Na ja, und billig ist es nicht. Aber macht auch mehr her als ein Sampler auf der Bühne :-))
I don't understand why it's so hard for popular music of this generation to write anything this beautiful and profoundly original with all the money and glam time they are awarded by major music labels. for those of us who "get" bands like Genesis it is our DUTY to create a better world for the artistic musician
Those days were the days when musicians decided what to record. Today, it's only the producers who decide what to record and hire musicians accordingly. So, only profit is involved in the outcome, music not necessarily is included.
Love it! It's so beautifully eerie when the bass comes in at 0:45. Excellent job Thomas, and cool mellotron you got there, man. I'm so green with envy! :)
I bought the instrument in 1996 when Mellotrons had been a bit cheaper (3300 DM then) from a classical pianist in Holland (who also had a fantastic hammond at his home and Steinway...
Recording the guitar was a bit painful for me as I don't play guitar very often and just for fun. The choir chords doesn't sound as long as on record. Maybe Tony recorded both instruments seperat to get a long enough chords? I don't know... I couldn't mangaged to change the chords fast as this ...
...and also to let them stay till the next chord. Using more delay would not help, I think. I tried, but this became more muddy. Playing the chords with two hands will be the best solution to get the right vocal effect instead of "choir like organ sound " :-) Or perhaps practice, practice and even more and recording it again...
BTW, Dominik, I dowloaded some of your music a year ago or so and enjoyed what you made! Good stuff, and you played all the instruments...
Excellent job, Thomas! The synth patch is spot-on, probably as good as you can do without an actual Pro Soloist. Regarding the chord changes, try using inversions that let you keep your hand in more or less the same position. And don't be afraid to hit the upper parts of the white keys if it lets you change chords faster. :)
The bass parts are actually played on foot by Hackett ( first half) then Rutherford ( this section) so Tony's hands were free to play this. Moog Taurus Bass Pedals to be exact.Genesis are like Shakespear! Always discovering something new about them! Thank you for this post by the way!
MrAntIbarra 3 months ago
Very Nice work ! I love this track ! Which is one of the best of all times !
Could you tell me which Mellotron you have and what sound of the Mellotron are you using ?
Thanks for sharing and keep up the good work ;-)
vanhoveseb 1 year ago
@vanhoveseb
Hi, the Mellotron is a M400, the most common version. The sound is a mixed choir (4 female singers and 4 male singers in unisono...). Greetings and thanks for your nice comment!
Thomasooo2003 1 year ago
Great job....very nice piece of music.
titan57nl 1 year ago
Thank you for sharing :)
TAWDIGITAL 1 year ago
Brilliant work. It sounds a bit like a mixture of Ondes Martenot and theremin but Yamaha can do it ;-)
TheRunner75 1 year ago
Excellent work,as an avid oz fan of Genesis and all their music,its great that there is people like you(and i)who believe in the sheer beauty of this music and who take the time and effort to,not only listen and appreciate,but also learn and record their passion.Well done.
ps(im being picky here)any chance of more sustain on the mellotron chords to create that incredible cross over effect that Banks gets,or was that a bit of studio magic?
addo2057 1 year ago
@addo2057
The question about the sustain... The Mellotron sound immediatly stops when you lift your fingers from the keys. But (often) a big reverb effect is part of the sound, whether live or on studio recordings. So did I. It's important to get a reverb that is not to long, otherwise the chords will get muddy and blend to much. When playing the chords with just one hand it is not so easy to get a nice legato. On one hand the Mellotron keyboard is remarkable stiff, on the other...
Thomasooo2003 1 year ago
...I recorded it directly after finding out the chords and the right voicings. I could have rehearsed it much longer to get a better legato playing with the left hand, but I didn't and also the issue with the keyboard. I'am asking myself of Tony Banks has recorded it with both hands, which makes legato much easier (on multitracking recording you generally record every track/instrument separate). Otherwise on live recordings he had just one hand. Does it sound different live? Have to listen again
Thomasooo2003 1 year ago
good work :-)
Cayke1 1 year ago
mysticalgaming.cba.pl
Rasiak98 1 year ago
Happy to know you were able to recreate the synthesizer part just like the LP version. Spot on!! One of the most beautiful pieces ever composed.
digitaldoodler7 1 year ago
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Great ! Very good.
Civas0072 1 year ago
Excellent. A real Mellotron. Must be ancient! I heard...but I'm not sure that Tony Banks actually had two mellotrons, the other a mirror image of the other one so that the two "keyboards" were next to each other as if it made "one" instrument. Does any Genisis fans know of that, or is it just my imagination getting the better of me?
Sparrowhawk1161 1 year ago
way cool...too bad the mellotron sounds like its dying!! poor tape loops!!
mherrenschmidt 1 year ago
Great job mate. You really nailed the Mellotron sound. Really enjoyed it. Well done indeed. Such a haunting piece of music.
geraberl 1 year ago
Good rendition...was waiting for the intro to 'Squonk' just as this finished.
jimbomak 1 year ago
Where did you get the tabs for the 2 guitars please.
Vamp1963 1 year ago
@Vamp1963 — well, sorry, I have no tabs, it's just played by ear, as good as possible. I wouldn't say that these chords & inversions are exactly the same as played by Genesis. Its somewhere in the middle what I am able to find out from the record and able to play on guitar ;-))
Greetings, Thomas
Thomasooo2003 1 year ago
Very well done guys!
Vamp1963 1 year ago
@Vamp1963 — oh, just me alone :-) Have a look on the orange hooded sweatshirt. On every musican... :-)))
Thomasooo2003 1 year ago
Great job!
JohnLRice 1 year ago
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bergischeorte 1 year ago
What can I say? I haven't listened to this track in years. I've always loved the sound produced by the mellotron and this rendition of "Entangled" almost brought tears to my eyes. The other-worldly choir produced by the mellotron just can't be matched by anything else and your playing is fantastic. Thanks.
pete671 1 year ago
Thank you, Pete ;-)
Thomasooo2003 1 year ago
Jeez, nice collection of rare synths.
I'm jealous. Those Mellotrons are hard to find and really expensive. I managed to find one online and it was $6,800!
Helicon2112 2 years ago
Thanks for the reply. Nice sounding synth/mellotron combination.
Del
Delboywww 2 years ago
Very nice! Great genesis track. Are you using a separate bass pedal setup?
Del
Delboywww 2 years ago
I used the same synthesizer as for the solo-voice. Just another sound, recorded on another track, later. Like the guitars (OK, them before all keyboard tracks).
Thomasooo2003 2 years ago
aaaahhhhh ,,,,the mellotron..what can we say more ???
slypin03 2 years ago
Very nice track, I love the mixture of these two oldies synths, going truly well together ^^
Both are overprized actually, can't buy even one now, sad !
kitkatworld 2 years ago
awesome
proteon 2 years ago
you have a Mellotron M400! i envy you!!!!!!!!!!!
mangabassman2 2 years ago
lovely song...steve hackett said that the final section of entangled has been inspired by the classical music: the synth is the female singer, the mellotron is the choir.
Well played! you lucky, you have a mellotron...i've only emulators :(
hogweed89 2 years ago 2
Well, that's a good comparison ;-) Even that all the singers in a choir have not the same opinion or are all in tune... like my Mellotron this evening ;-) They are very human, far from modern instruments. That's why I love them (the mellotrons), that's why I am sometimes a bit scared what will happening next... The synth as the solo vocalist is absolutly true! Well done, Tony Banks!!!
Thomasooo2003 2 years ago
beautiful composition. nice job playing. work on your legato- one of the difficulties with playing the mellotron. no sustain pedal.
feralmusic 3 years ago
Entangled has one of the most haunting endings I've ever heard in a song.
THANK YOU for playing this.
Fantastic job!!!!!
Love the mellotron.
PaulHartXYZ 3 years ago
Fantastic job!
DoctorSmashburger 3 years ago
Great work! Thank you for sharing.
tx816 3 years ago
Can anyone identify what keyboard stands up the Mellotron?
peejaypv 3 years ago
Yamaha CS-30
DaedalusWolf 3 years ago
Holy Crap! Yes!!
AmishChildren 3 years ago
Excellent!! I wish I had a Mellotron below my CS-30.
justwaving 3 years ago
Ganz grossartig! Jeder Ton sitzt. Und das Mellotron - wie bereits im anderen Kommentar geschrieben - zieht Dir nach wie vor die Schuhe aus. Ich frage mich noch heute (nach vielen Jahren Genesis-Leidenschaft) wieso Banks nicht die alte Kiste mit auf die Bühne nahm, sondern sie nur durch minderwertige gesampelte Klänge ersetzte. Es gibt übrigens kein Sample, das den Anschlag richtig hinbekommt. Und jetzt die Frage: Wie viel muss man für die Originalteil eigentlich hinlegen?
Gruß, Volker
Grubenpony12 3 years ago
Hi Volker,
Tony Banks hat immer mal wieder in Interviews gesagt, das er den Sound gut findet, aber das Instrument haßt. Wegen chronischer Unzuverlässigkeit. Nun gut, er hat es ja lange genug live benutzt und wie in den 70ern üblich, sich wahrscheinlich nicht sehr um das Instrument gekümmert. Klavier ohne regelmäßige Stimmung ist auch keine gute Idee... Aber deswegen nur noch gesampelte Klaviere zu verwenden...? Wäre ja arg übertrieben. Und ich gebe dir vollkommen recht...
Thomasooo2003 3 years ago
...ich habe noch kein wirklich gutes Sample gehört. Na ja, mein Mellotron ist aber auch in recht gutem Zustand (ohne das ich viel dran mache...) und echt zuverlässig. Was wichtig ist (und manche nicht beachten): bei einigen Sounds klingen nicht alle Voicing so richtig gut. Man muss ein bischen ausprobieren was geht, und was nicht. Die Violinen klingen z.B. beim Cis irgendwie leicht schräg. Das gehört aber irgendwie dazu. Ist halt nicht 100% superpräzise damals aufgenommen worden.
Thomas
Thomasooo2003 3 years ago
Ach ja, Preis:
ich hab 1996 dafür 3300 DM bezahlt. Unter 2000 Euro bekommt man wohl kein Mellotron. Aber die werden sowieso nur selten mal bei ebay und co angeboten. Es gibt aber neu produzierte, in Stockholm (Mk IV) so für ca. 4500 Euro und in England (M 4000 — mit 24 Sounds!!!) für knapp 5500 oder 6000 Euros... aber mit langer Wartezeit.
Na ja, und billig ist es nicht. Aber macht auch mehr her als ein Sampler auf der Bühne :-))
Thomasooo2003 3 years ago
Well Perfomed...Maestro!!
condican 3 years ago
I don't understand why it's so hard for popular music of this generation to write anything this beautiful and profoundly original with all the money and glam time they are awarded by major music labels. for those of us who "get" bands like Genesis it is our DUTY to create a better world for the artistic musician
whalingstories 3 years ago
Those days were the days when musicians decided what to record. Today, it's only the producers who decide what to record and hire musicians accordingly. So, only profit is involved in the outcome, music not necessarily is included.
tx816 3 years ago 2
fantastic job!
The last section of this song is absolutely amazing.
654321654321 3 years ago
Beautiful. I love Entangled.
clockworkaccordion 3 years ago
fantastic!!!
dalladavi 3 years ago
Love it! It's so beautifully eerie when the bass comes in at 0:45. Excellent job Thomas, and cool mellotron you got there, man. I'm so green with envy! :)
hyperboreal 3 years ago
Sorry Tom for being late.....
You're a great musician and Entangled is one of the most beautiful song of all times : You recovered it so great
DaedalusWolf 3 years ago
I Love !
Great job man !
Aless89 3 years ago
WOW :o
Eldanoth 3 years ago
lol
CarpetCrawling1978 3 years ago
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well done man!
UniversalMind86 3 years ago
That must have been fun to do. Nice job.
titanium9000 3 years ago
Nice guitar and synth work, but you should use more reverb/echo on the Mellotron to fill the gaps between the chords!
By the way, where did you get the Tron and how much did you pay?
DominikMueller 4 years ago
Hallo Dominik,
I bought the instrument in 1996 when Mellotrons had been a bit cheaper (3300 DM then) from a classical pianist in Holland (who also had a fantastic hammond at his home and Steinway...
Recording the guitar was a bit painful for me as I don't play guitar very often and just for fun. The choir chords doesn't sound as long as on record. Maybe Tony recorded both instruments seperat to get a long enough chords? I don't know... I couldn't mangaged to change the chords fast as this ...
Thomasooo2003 4 years ago
...and also to let them stay till the next chord. Using more delay would not help, I think. I tried, but this became more muddy. Playing the chords with two hands will be the best solution to get the right vocal effect instead of "choir like organ sound " :-) Or perhaps practice, practice and even more and recording it again...
BTW, Dominik, I dowloaded some of your music a year ago or so and enjoyed what you made! Good stuff, and you played all the instruments...
Greetings, Thomas
Thomasooo2003 4 years ago
Thanks a lot, oder auch Dankeschön! :)
Unfortunately I've never come across a Mellotron yet, only a Hammond spinet and a string ensemble by ELKA.
But some day... ;)
DominikMueller 4 years ago
What synth did you use?
JIF882 3 years ago
Excellent job, Thomas! The synth patch is spot-on, probably as good as you can do without an actual Pro Soloist. Regarding the chord changes, try using inversions that let you keep your hand in more or less the same position. And don't be afraid to hit the upper parts of the white keys if it lets you change chords faster. :)
mfnickster 3 years ago
awesome job. nice mellotron!
maups2 4 years ago
Thank you!
Thomasooo2003 4 years ago