The PAIN that is there is because many of us grew up in families and churches where love was completely conditional. These bastards think that our pain is because we are gay ... and that is total bullcrap. I no longer look to my family or to my former association with the fundamentalist church, but many still do, and as long as they do there will be pain.
Nobody wants your "help" Clint. Pride and arrogance are also sins and you are steeped deeply in both just as you were in pornography. There is no agreeing to disagree when one side has all the power (you) and are trying to deny the other side a modicum of equal rights because of your PERSONAL beliefs. You are the Pharisees Jesus spoke so condescendingly against. Concentrate on divorce. That seems to be the real christian community problem.
Homosexuals don't need Christians to "confront them with the truth" -- that in itself is hostile. There is absolutely NOTHING sinful about homosexuality. Watching pornography was his choice, being gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgendered is NOT. This is nothing more than someone smiling at you softly and saying, "Nice to meet you. By the way, you're going to hell."
Hello Clint Cline, you are a creepy fuck who lies to himself and fools no one else.
You hate homosexuals, you don't want to help them. If You want to help people, there are shitloads of people you could help that want and benefit from it! And pornography is no more of a sin than your shitty assed religion, it's what's done with it that makes for a good, sin or anything in between.
I agree with u that the "help" is confused as hate, but I believe that the "help" is *as* confused as the hate as well, if not more so. First of all, the "help" is not helpful, it is not dealing with reality and it makes a wrong assumption that it is even needed in this case. It is also often condescending. It is making the assumption that it's views are correct and that its victims are lost and confused and separated from God. These things make the "help" repulsive and worse, counter-effective
It is offensive to me that you assume I am a hurting individual that needs your rescuing help solely on account of my having a homosexual orientation. Guess what?! Me and God are fine; it is "Christians" like you that I have a problem with, and if I am hurting because I am homosexual, it is because my Christian family is obsessed with it and cannot accept me and love me as God does. Guess what: despite any outward circumstances, I am the happiest & free-est I have ever been in my life!
Hello, being addicted to pornography is *not* in any way equatable to embracing one's own sexual orientation, even if you think it is, it isn't. Sexual orientation is not something someone chooses to do, to watch or to be involved with; it just is what it is. People that are truly of a heterosexual orientation just are that way; it wasn't a choice that they made. It is the same with people of a homosexual orientation. Pornography, on the other hand, is a choice to view or not.
This stupid smug little prick with his over-polished bald head makes me feel very violent and mean towards him.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with being homosexual and to compare it with grubby little perverts like him who used to use porn (for obvious reasons-just look at him) is completely absurd.
Stop wasting your time condemning the innocent just to make yourself look better, it's okay to be gay.
I think you need help yourself. Youre delusional and that's not healthy. Embrace reality bro. no hate just help. what? youre not interested in my help?
"Diagnosing a defect of the mind" wow, what decade are you lost in? And, its laughable?? you think this stuff is funny? Check your heart out man, and your assumptions. Just you asserting as fact that its a "defect of the mind" says enough about where you are coming from and I am quite certain that you know nothing about what is helpful in this area.
It IS hate. So you're saying that if I were to, let's say defame a black person, that ISN'T bad? Seriously. Only God will judge the living and the dead. You have NO right to tell someone what sins they have committed. YOU cause the hurt, and the only way you can help someone who is hurting over they're homosexuality is to ACCEPT and LOVE them. Something you Christian nutjobs have trouble with. I'll stop being 'mean' about it when you do, Clint. (:
but by putting anti-gay agenda into law, you are forcing other people to live up to YOUR STANDARD. they have their own life, it is theirs to live, not yours.
you are putting ads so gays would not be able to have their own families, or to have health insurance, to have spousal visitation right. you are clearly doing harm to them and their families.
and the roads in hell paved with good intentions, remember that
Lol if someone wants to "oppose" my bisexuality bring it on bitches. :P I love men, and I love women, probably for the same reason you love women. Also no pain, just a lot of amazing love. :P I embrace heterosexuality homosexuality and bisexuality because all love is amazing and good. I love, love and if anyone wants to hurt anyone because of that and I can do something to stop it I will. That's because I have superior morality, and I don't by into the god bull shit.
This whole video can be summed up as damage control ...trying to get evangelicals and fundies off the hook ..well I am calling bull shit ...they will use a velvet hammer but still they got them words like aberrant, un natural, sin, and abomination...yeah can't you just feel the love...don't believe it...they are talking to the middle and moderats on the sidelines they need them politically.
@htoontube This sounds more like hate toward Christianity to me. Identifying homosexuality as sinful is not hatred. Some voice their opinion in a hateful way, which is equally sinful. Jesus didn't hate anyone, yet he made clear to people when they were sinful and called them to repentance. The gospel is a message of repentance, not condemnation.
It is not hate towards Christianity. However, Christianity does promote hate and bigotry towards homosexuals, claiming they are sinners, which is the ultimate purposefully blind ignorance and bigotry, and that is what I am against.
@htoontube Not hate? You describe "hate" as calling someone else "sinful" for their choices, and you are saying I am wrong, that I am in violation of the moral standard to which you are appealing (the definition of "sin"). You can't have it both ways. You can't say calling people sinful IS sinful, because in that very comment you are doing exactly what you are condemning. It's simple logic.
You don't get it, do you> "Sin" is a word created by christians and religious doctrines. That word does not exist in my vocabulary. Why can't you christians live and let live, and leave the people who don't subscribe to your doctrine alone? Live and let live, and stop obessing about people who are different from you, stop imposing your religion on non-believers and the world will be a better place.
I pray you learn more about history and philosophy because you are grossly misinformed. I obsess about the gospel of Christ calling people to repentance, including myself. That you would hope to silence me simply because you disagree with me is the end of freedom, not the beginning.
I think I am much more informed than your narrow view of the world, thank you very much. You say yourself that you are obsessed about the gospel of Chrost, which makes me think you don't know or don't want to know anything outside of that. And by the way, I am not hoping to, or would ever try to silence you, however batshit crazy your way of thinking is. Freedom to me is for each person to be able to voice and express what he or her feels and thinks.Btw, do not ever pray for me.
It may not always be hate, but it's always ignorance. Not help. Ever. At all. Making people feel guilty about their natural sexual identity is anti-human. A psychologically torturous violation of their human rights. We should recognize this practice as rooted in primitive thinking, even if it means criticizing someone's holy book. The Bible after all was written over 200o years ago. It's out of date. Let's move on.
I'm homosexual. The main reasons I hurt are because of the death threats I get in my locker and the slurs I hear in the hallway. Out of righteousness, of course.
Jesus also never mentions idolatry in his teachings. Is he okay with that sin, too? The argument from silence is the weakest theological argument. Jesus, more than once, affirmed the written word even above his own name, and the counsel of Scripture is clear on this issue.
@jstrick85 I dont know what you think is so clear. Seminary professors and biblical researchers DO NOT all agree that homosexuality is a sin. The English language does not to justice to the original greek and hebrew writings, it all has to be interpreted. Those who study those languages and look at the original texts almost uniformly agree fundamentalists are wrong. Example, the word homosexual didnt appear in our english bibles until the 1950's. No such word in hebrew or greek.
@garysd100 I am a seminary student, and I have studied Greek. Scholarship is divided on the issue, but theological tradition, going all the way through the history of the church, is on the side of the conservative reading. Liberal theologians wishing to justify homosexuality in the modern era have attempted to skew the meaning and context of passages related to the issue, but the best Greek scholarship holds that the semantic domain of words for sexual immorality (pornea)include homosexuality.
@jstrick85 So the tradition of slavery, inferiority of Blacks and Jews, and treatment of women as property is ok too? The supposed condemnation of homosexuality in Leviticus is in the Holiness Code, which scholars almost uniformly agree does not apply today. In Romans Paul uses para physin or "out of the ordinary" regarding men with men. He also uses para physin to describe what God did in Romans 11:24. God can't be sinful. "A fundamentalist seminary sharpens your mind by narrowing it."
@garysd100 The short answer is that you want Greek to be rigid when it suits your views and flexible when it doesn't. The word "physin" has a wide range of meaning and the context in each passage is clear.
Jesus never mentions homosexuality once in his teachings. This guy's not a Christian. He's a well-meaning idiot who's hung up on gay sex and is most likely gay himself.
How can you compare the objectification and abuse of women with a loving same sex relationship? Porn is degrades those who watch it as well as the women in it.
To parallel porn and homosexuality is just ludicrous.
Gay people are "hurting" because of the ignorant misunderstandings of homosexuality that are continually propagated by the church and people like you.
It's really disappointing to me that for somebody who is obviously educated to even put those two things in the same basket.
Homosexuality is not in any way in the same category as looking at porn. If gay people wanted help, they would ask for it; and since most do not ask for help in the way that Clint is suggesting, it is not anyone's place to interfere. God himself does not work that way - he only gives direct help if you ask for it. One's relationship with God is nobody's business but the individual's. You don't get brownie points for pointing out what you think is someone else's sin.
The PAIN that is there is because many of us grew up in families and churches where love was completely conditional. These bastards think that our pain is because we are gay ... and that is total bullcrap. I no longer look to my family or to my former association with the fundamentalist church, but many still do, and as long as they do there will be pain.
LifterwiII 5 months ago
Nobody wants your "help" Clint. Pride and arrogance are also sins and you are steeped deeply in both just as you were in pornography. There is no agreeing to disagree when one side has all the power (you) and are trying to deny the other side a modicum of equal rights because of your PERSONAL beliefs. You are the Pharisees Jesus spoke so condescendingly against. Concentrate on divorce. That seems to be the real christian community problem.
reflectivelife 6 months ago
Homosexuals don't need Christians to "confront them with the truth" -- that in itself is hostile. There is absolutely NOTHING sinful about homosexuality. Watching pornography was his choice, being gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgendered is NOT. This is nothing more than someone smiling at you softly and saying, "Nice to meet you. By the way, you're going to hell."
branram 6 months ago
can i have your porn-website passwords?
meggatonman 7 months ago
Confronting the "problem"? Comparing it to porno? I M confused...
StephenB1928 7 months ago in playlist Four Perspectives on Homosexuality
Being gay is no different than being straight, Clint needs a therapist.
smurfboywv 7 months ago in playlist Four Perspectives on Homosexuality 2
Scumbags. Keep your bigotted beliefs out of other peoples' lives.
Ascarion1234 1 year ago
It *IS* a personal attack when you say "You're gay, and going to hell".
MrZeus7 1 year ago 3
Hello Clint Cline, you are a creepy fuck who lies to himself and fools no one else.
You hate homosexuals, you don't want to help them. If You want to help people, there are shitloads of people you could help that want and benefit from it! And pornography is no more of a sin than your shitty assed religion, it's what's done with it that makes for a good, sin or anything in between.
robertmike57 1 year ago
I agree with u that the "help" is confused as hate, but I believe that the "help" is *as* confused as the hate as well, if not more so. First of all, the "help" is not helpful, it is not dealing with reality and it makes a wrong assumption that it is even needed in this case. It is also often condescending. It is making the assumption that it's views are correct and that its victims are lost and confused and separated from God. These things make the "help" repulsive and worse, counter-effective
1huzfreeatlast 1 year ago
It is offensive to me that you assume I am a hurting individual that needs your rescuing help solely on account of my having a homosexual orientation. Guess what?! Me and God are fine; it is "Christians" like you that I have a problem with, and if I am hurting because I am homosexual, it is because my Christian family is obsessed with it and cannot accept me and love me as God does. Guess what: despite any outward circumstances, I am the happiest & free-est I have ever been in my life!
1huzfreeatlast 1 year ago
Hello, being addicted to pornography is *not* in any way equatable to embracing one's own sexual orientation, even if you think it is, it isn't. Sexual orientation is not something someone chooses to do, to watch or to be involved with; it just is what it is. People that are truly of a heterosexual orientation just are that way; it wasn't a choice that they made. It is the same with people of a homosexual orientation. Pornography, on the other hand, is a choice to view or not.
1huzfreeatlast 1 year ago
I just wind up feeling sorry for people this ridiculously indoctrinated.
GnosticQuasar 1 year ago
This stupid smug little prick with his over-polished bald head makes me feel very violent and mean towards him.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with being homosexual and to compare it with grubby little perverts like him who used to use porn (for obvious reasons-just look at him) is completely absurd.
Stop wasting your time condemning the innocent just to make yourself look better, it's okay to be gay.
sleepypoodle 1 year ago
@sleepypoodle totally agree with you =-)
thecloudhead658 1 year ago
I think you need help yourself. Youre delusional and that's not healthy. Embrace reality bro. no hate just help. what? youre not interested in my help?
point conveyed.
jrev37 1 year ago
The thing is, you don't know who God intended them to be. Only God does. If you are not God, don't tell me who to be.
MxTori 1 year ago
Unwanted help is not help. Stop obsessing over homosexuals who aren't doing you any harm and just mind your own business.
HeyDuffy459 1 year ago
This video should be renamed as follows "Hate confused as Help"
stargateproductions 1 year ago
I love when people claim to oppose homosexuality is hate. . . it's laughable. Diagnosing a defect of the mind isn't hateful - it's helpful.
seattleoperaguy 1 year ago
@seattleoperaguy
"Diagnosing a defect of the mind" wow, what decade are you lost in? And, its laughable?? you think this stuff is funny? Check your heart out man, and your assumptions. Just you asserting as fact that its a "defect of the mind" says enough about where you are coming from and I am quite certain that you know nothing about what is helpful in this area.
1huzfreeatlast 1 year ago
It IS hate. So you're saying that if I were to, let's say defame a black person, that ISN'T bad? Seriously. Only God will judge the living and the dead. You have NO right to tell someone what sins they have committed. YOU cause the hurt, and the only way you can help someone who is hurting over they're homosexuality is to ACCEPT and LOVE them. Something you Christian nutjobs have trouble with. I'll stop being 'mean' about it when you do, Clint. (:
ghosttownx 1 year ago
but by putting anti-gay agenda into law, you are forcing other people to live up to YOUR STANDARD. they have their own life, it is theirs to live, not yours.
you are putting ads so gays would not be able to have their own families, or to have health insurance, to have spousal visitation right. you are clearly doing harm to them and their families.
and the roads in hell paved with good intentions, remember that
pitigam 1 year ago
idiot!!!!
hyakintos 1 year ago
Lol if someone wants to "oppose" my bisexuality bring it on bitches. :P I love men, and I love women, probably for the same reason you love women. Also no pain, just a lot of amazing love. :P I embrace heterosexuality homosexuality and bisexuality because all love is amazing and good. I love, love and if anyone wants to hurt anyone because of that and I can do something to stop it I will. That's because I have superior morality, and I don't by into the god bull shit.
MistressArte 1 year ago
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porterp 1 year ago
it's none of your f'n business.
where's your "outreach" to jews? or promiscous fornicating straight people? or shrimp-eaters?
cherrydog9 1 year ago 2
This whole video can be summed up as damage control ...trying to get evangelicals and fundies off the hook ..well I am calling bull shit ...they will use a velvet hammer but still they got them words like aberrant, un natural, sin, and abomination...yeah can't you just feel the love...don't believe it...they are talking to the middle and moderats on the sidelines they need them politically.
Aslanspal 1 year ago
If you really want to help me out then just shut the fuck up, thanks
weirdsteven 1 year ago 2
This Clint person is an ignorant bigot brainwashed by Christianity.
htoontube 1 year ago
@htoontube This sounds more like hate toward Christianity to me. Identifying homosexuality as sinful is not hatred. Some voice their opinion in a hateful way, which is equally sinful. Jesus didn't hate anyone, yet he made clear to people when they were sinful and called them to repentance. The gospel is a message of repentance, not condemnation.
jstrick85 1 year ago
@jstrick85
It is not hate towards Christianity. However, Christianity does promote hate and bigotry towards homosexuals, claiming they are sinners, which is the ultimate purposefully blind ignorance and bigotry, and that is what I am against.
htoontube 1 year ago
@htoontube Not hate? You describe "hate" as calling someone else "sinful" for their choices, and you are saying I am wrong, that I am in violation of the moral standard to which you are appealing (the definition of "sin"). You can't have it both ways. You can't say calling people sinful IS sinful, because in that very comment you are doing exactly what you are condemning. It's simple logic.
jstrick85 1 year ago
@jstrick85
You don't get it, do you> "Sin" is a word created by christians and religious doctrines. That word does not exist in my vocabulary. Why can't you christians live and let live, and leave the people who don't subscribe to your doctrine alone? Live and let live, and stop obessing about people who are different from you, stop imposing your religion on non-believers and the world will be a better place.
htoontube 1 year ago
I pray you learn more about history and philosophy because you are grossly misinformed. I obsess about the gospel of Christ calling people to repentance, including myself. That you would hope to silence me simply because you disagree with me is the end of freedom, not the beginning.
jstrick85 1 year ago
@htoontube
I think I am much more informed than your narrow view of the world, thank you very much. You say yourself that you are obsessed about the gospel of Chrost, which makes me think you don't know or don't want to know anything outside of that. And by the way, I am not hoping to, or would ever try to silence you, however batshit crazy your way of thinking is. Freedom to me is for each person to be able to voice and express what he or her feels and thinks.Btw, do not ever pray for me.
htoontube 1 year ago
@htoontube
typo: Christ
htoontube 1 year ago
It may not always be hate, but it's always ignorance. Not help. Ever. At all. Making people feel guilty about their natural sexual identity is anti-human. A psychologically torturous violation of their human rights. We should recognize this practice as rooted in primitive thinking, even if it means criticizing someone's holy book. The Bible after all was written over 200o years ago. It's out of date. Let's move on.
stribs 1 year ago 2
I'm homosexual. The main reasons I hurt are because of the death threats I get in my locker and the slurs I hear in the hallway. Out of righteousness, of course.
AspenTheDragon 1 year ago 2
@AspenTheDragon
You are not alone!
Get with like minded people: there is power in numbers!
You will find support through out the community, and not just from the LGBT.
"Don't let the Religtards get you down"
vibrant151 1 year ago 2
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sp00x 1 year ago
Jesus also never mentions idolatry in his teachings. Is he okay with that sin, too? The argument from silence is the weakest theological argument. Jesus, more than once, affirmed the written word even above his own name, and the counsel of Scripture is clear on this issue.
jstrick85 1 year ago
@jstrick85 I dont know what you think is so clear. Seminary professors and biblical researchers DO NOT all agree that homosexuality is a sin. The English language does not to justice to the original greek and hebrew writings, it all has to be interpreted. Those who study those languages and look at the original texts almost uniformly agree fundamentalists are wrong. Example, the word homosexual didnt appear in our english bibles until the 1950's. No such word in hebrew or greek.
garysd100 1 year ago
@garysd100 I am a seminary student, and I have studied Greek. Scholarship is divided on the issue, but theological tradition, going all the way through the history of the church, is on the side of the conservative reading. Liberal theologians wishing to justify homosexuality in the modern era have attempted to skew the meaning and context of passages related to the issue, but the best Greek scholarship holds that the semantic domain of words for sexual immorality (pornea)include homosexuality.
jstrick85 1 year ago
@jstrick85 So the tradition of slavery, inferiority of Blacks and Jews, and treatment of women as property is ok too? The supposed condemnation of homosexuality in Leviticus is in the Holiness Code, which scholars almost uniformly agree does not apply today. In Romans Paul uses para physin or "out of the ordinary" regarding men with men. He also uses para physin to describe what God did in Romans 11:24. God can't be sinful. "A fundamentalist seminary sharpens your mind by narrowing it."
garysd100 1 year ago
@garysd100 The short answer is that you want Greek to be rigid when it suits your views and flexible when it doesn't. The word "physin" has a wide range of meaning and the context in each passage is clear.
jstrick85 1 year ago
Jesus never mentions homosexuality once in his teachings. This guy's not a Christian. He's a well-meaning idiot who's hung up on gay sex and is most likely gay himself.
jumpropecity 1 year ago
How can you compare the objectification and abuse of women with a loving same sex relationship? Porn is degrades those who watch it as well as the women in it.
To parallel porn and homosexuality is just ludicrous.
Gay people are "hurting" because of the ignorant misunderstandings of homosexuality that are continually propagated by the church and people like you.
It's really disappointing to me that for somebody who is obviously educated to even put those two things in the same basket.
heffy1919 1 year ago
Homosexuality is not in any way in the same category as looking at porn. If gay people wanted help, they would ask for it; and since most do not ask for help in the way that Clint is suggesting, it is not anyone's place to interfere. God himself does not work that way - he only gives direct help if you ask for it. One's relationship with God is nobody's business but the individual's. You don't get brownie points for pointing out what you think is someone else's sin.
squirrelygirl816 1 year ago